November 7, 2025 • 47 mins
Guest: Thiago Luiz Ticchetti – National Director of MUFON Brazil
In this chilling and eye-opening episode, Tony sits down with UFO investigator and author Thiago Luiz Ticchetti to uncover the shocking truth behind one of the most terrifying events in ufology: the 1977 Colares UFO attacks in Brazil. Known as Operation Saucer, this government-backed investigation documented mysterious lights, unexplained burns, and a community living in fear. Thiago shares exclusive insights from official military files, eyewitness accounts, and decades of research that reveal just how real—and dangerous—this phenomenon was. From the physical effects on victims to the abrupt shutdown of the operation by the Brazilian Air Force, this episode pulls back the curtain on a story the world is still trying to understand.
👁️ Why were civilians targeted?
📂 What was the military really hiding?
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In this chilling and eye-opening episode, Tony sits down with UFO investigator and author Thiago Luiz Ticchetti to uncover the shocking truth behind one of the most terrifying events in ufology: the 1977 Colares UFO attacks in Brazil. Known as Operation Saucer, this government-backed investigation documented mysterious lights, unexplained burns, and a community living in fear. Thiago shares exclusive insights from official military files, eyewitness accounts, and decades of research that reveal just how real—and dangerous—this phenomenon was. From the physical effects on victims to the abrupt shutdown of the operation by the Brazilian Air Force, this episode pulls back the curtain on a story the world is still trying to understand.
👁️ Why were civilians targeted?
📂 What was the military really hiding?
🧠 What does this case mean for the global UFO conversation today? If you’re fascinated by UFOs, government secrets, and the unknown, this episode is a must-listen.
🎧 Tune in, subscribe, follow, and share.
#UFObrazil #OperationSaucer #MUFON #TruthBeTold #UFOAttacks #ParanormalPodcast #UAP #Disclosure #PodcastLife #TonySweet
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/truth-be-told-paranormal--3589860/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, today we're going to be taking a vacation down
to South America where we dive deep into the mysteries
that lie just beyond the edge of reality. I'm your host,
Tony Sweet, and today we're joined by a truly extraordinary guest,
someone who has dedicated his life to uncover the truth
behind some of the most compelling UFO cases in history.
(00:21):
Our guest is Chiago Luis Diccetti, the National director of
Muffon in Brazil. He's a certified field researcher, a member
of the Scientific Coalition of UAP Studies, and the author
of sixteen groundbreaking books on UFOs and extraordinary phenomena, including
his latest book, a UFO Attacks in Brazil, the true
(00:43):
story of a most terrifying event in the history of eufology.
This powerful new work uncovers the chilling and deeply investigated
events surrounding Operation Saucer, a secret Brazilian Air Force mission
in nineteen seventy seven that documented strength, lights, unexplained burns
and encounters that terrorize the island of Cholaris, Brazil. With
(01:06):
official records, eyewitnesses and investigative insight, Chiago brings these frightening
encounters to life like never before. So buckle up, because
today we're not just talking about unidentifying flying objects. We're
talking about direct attacks that left a community in fear
and evidence that still challenges our understandings of what is
(01:29):
out there. So I'm tony sweet with Truth be Told.
Please welcome to the Truth Be Told Studios for the
first time. Chiago Luis Tocchetti. Okay, Chiago, how you doing fine?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Thank you. We have a lot of people here.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Right, they love you, They love you well. First of all,
I need you to correct me because I did not
say your last name right, So can you tell us
your full name just so? I got Chiago right, I
know that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, Higo's perfect. Louise is perfect as well. Last the
last name is CHICKATCHI.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Catchy to catchy, like Italian. I know it's That's when
I first heard it. I was like, oh he's Italian.
All right, Well, thank you, thank you so much for
being here. I'm excited to talk about your book. I
mean this book. I mean, first of all, I'm a
big Amazon up there. It is a big Amazon brazil fan.
(02:28):
I you know, I married some money from Brazil, so
fell in love with the people and the history and
just the diversity of just land masses. Uh So, to
hear about one of my favorite subjects UFOs, it even
enhanced my love for Brazil. So let's let's just dive
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right in, so uh Chev as someone who has studied
UFO cases all around the world, when you first uncovered
the details, and I hope I say this right, Cholarius incident,
what truth or insight hits you so hard that it
changed the way you looked at this phenomenon, not just
(03:10):
as a researcher, but just as a human being, earthly being?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah? What really stood out.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well? Sost of all, I think of, thank you Tony
to invite me to be here. It's a pleasure, and
that you are almost one of us Brazil.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
You know, I am well when I start to learn
about this episodes, many epiodes that happen in Cholaris, not
only Coloris, but in several seats nearby Colaris and in
another state of Brazil, like Madaguo State.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
When I first heard about it, for me, it was
something unbelievable because in my mind, I think I I
was twelve or thirteen years old. From my mind, I
already read about I had already read books about UFOL
the magazines, But my my understanding, they were just flying
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sorcerers or any kind of shape and being from these
ships that come and talk to you or or try
to get inside the ship, not a production, just like
a contact tea. And I when I heard about this
operational saucer in Portuguese, I got, I got something new
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because people were attacked, attacked by these UFOs, and people
suffer burns and soffer knowledge and suffer. They got sick
after this attack, So something that might just change it.
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And what it was not only the fact himself that
impressed me, the participation and the distigation of militarists. My
father was an Air Force military Air Force pilot, so
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when I heard it for the first time, I mean, well,
my father is a part of Burthen Air Force and
a crew of birth hidden militaries from Air Force came
to the place, to that place to investigate. So for
me it was like a boom. Something happened there. And
now we have dokments who have photos, who have testimonies,
(05:44):
who have a thousand of evidences that something really really
strange and it was not a social experiment that happened there,
So that that browed my mind when I heard for
the first time, Well.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well tell me this, was there anything such as a
military base around?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Was there a nuclear site?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Was there anything that attracted this area that you think
the UFO or extraterrestrials would be interested in.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
No, we don't have a nuclear business in Brazil. We
don't have nuclear weapons in Brazil. We have a nuclear
plant in a huge and area younger Ducuation, but it's
not working at all, just part of it. Santa was
a kid, and that part of it is working, and
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that we don't have like a special basis. We have
a basis, Air Force basis and several things of Brazil
or Berlain. But of course we have a base there.
But Colaris is a little far from Berlin, Mosquno Island
and to sell Sun Island, they are a little far
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from the lake. So there's no base. There's no interest,
like a military interest of the UFOs to be there.
In our opinion, my opinion, my own, my own opinion.
I think that they were there to make some kind
of experiment and they use it the rivers from Amazon.
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You know, man, how so you know the side when
when you fly over the north of Brazil the states
of the north of brutil You can see that. You
can see that the mansion of the size of the
rivers the huge, they're very huge. If you stay in
the shore of a river or of one big river,
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you cannot see the other shore. You just see the
hardened so you think it's like the ocean. So in
my opinion, they they went there for some reason, but
to make a kind of experiment and use it the
rivers to hide, some way to hide and get in
and get out. Because we have this moment from from
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people that saw and militaries also they saw these shifts
or what else, uh, coming in and coming out from
the rivers and going to the forest and hover and
hover uh cities. So I don't know, there isn't We
don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'm because I for the people, have never been to
especially northern Brazil. I've been to Manaos many times and
it's really out in the middle of the Amazon. It's
right next to the Amazon River. But you know, Claris,
I'm not familiar with it because I've not been there.
But you can get lost in the forest very quickly,
(08:56):
so you know, if there is a UFO or anybody
that wants hide that would be one place you would
go to be lost. Yeah, so it makes sense. But
I'm curious of this incident. I think it was nineteen
seventy seven. Had there ever been sightings or any abductions
(09:22):
verified before that? Before this incident?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Not abduction. I don't know any case of production regarding
correlicted with this episodes or before it. But sightings one
hundred signings. We have signings in the long Brazil since
ninety thirties, when it was the first time that we
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published something in the newspaper in the Genera in San Paulo.
But if you go there and talk with people, they're
gonna tell you stories, but not about stories about the
flying disc. They don't. They don't use this word. They
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use another thing. They use fireballs, or they use like
flooding something like that, or they use a folklore. They
use folklore. In Brazil, we have folklore like uh Managua
water water mother? What what? What's the water mother? It's
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a pole of flight that came out out of the
river and chase and attack people in the forest. So
what is it? What is it? It's very similar if
you if you get these reports, this folklore and brings
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to diffology, you can't. You can find some resemblance between
the two of it. So if you go there, you
have a lot of stories and legends of folk growth
creatures that if you put slight like a scientific view,
(11:16):
you can fix. You can you can you can put
it in an eupology of research because it's just like
we know today, but that thing happened for fifty one
hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also, I know there's still a
lot of native tribes that are still in existence in
the Amazon. I was curious if there are any tribes
located near Kolaris and to see if anybody went and
(11:50):
spoke with them about you know, they're legends of fireballs
and UFO incidents.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I don't know if there's some tribe near Claris, probably yes,
but they are not I mean, they're not savage. Let's
let's say that right now. They live in the vilization
now near the civilization. They were shorts and have cars
and cell phones just like that. But if you go
there and ask for the other people there, the other
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people there, they're gonna tell the stories about the creatures,
about the folklore. And if you go in a more
far try, they're gonna tell the same. They're gonna tell
you that they see uh, strange stars in the sky
that can move and go faster and stuff, or or
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fireballs coming out of the rivers or get in the river.
So they're not Brazil. It's a spectacular of your ful cases.
And in my opinion, we just know a little percent
of all of it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Right And I see I'm saying I'm seeing on the
map now it's actually up in north northeastern Brazil, right
on the coastline.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So so not only they had forest, they had rivers,
and they also had the ocean, so yactly, yeah, so
I now I'm seeing pictures. I want to go visit,
by the way, so well, being someone that's part of
the UFO community, the moof on Brazil, actually the national director,
(13:30):
excuse me, fancy, I want to know did you were
you able to gain access to official documents from this
incident and even from Operation Saucer, And I'd like you
to explain what Operation Saucer is.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, now we have more than two thousand pages of
official documents. Wow about the perish Saucer. It happened in
nineteen seventy seven, when people when fishermen start to to
not go to fish because they are reporting that while
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in their boat they saw a lot of lights over
them and chasing away the fishes. So they start to
get afraid of it. And this the first was first
was both lights and then became to appear shapes of
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objects like chick tak, classic flying disc, rectangular and cylinders
eight types at least of UFOs. And they start to
not only stay over the river, but now they are
going to the cities and start to attack people with
(14:58):
later some kind of like the beginning, and the people
from the cities were so scared they were running away
from the cities.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And it became those cities and the mayors of the
those cities got got in contact with the Brazilian Air
Force because if something in the sky is the matter
of Brazilian Air Force, and the first sent a small
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group of militaries to investigate and trying to discover what's
what's going on, because in nineteen seventy seven we are
in the middle of the Cold War and Brazil is
a lie of United States. The capitalism and the probably
the Brasilan Air Force are afraid. We're afraid if some
(15:53):
Soviet plane war in a forest trying to something like that.
And they send this group of military to investigations and
they start to talk to people, and they started to
make camp to do SkyWatch and they started to record
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and photo and see your pools in the sky. And
they will pour back to the headquarters of the Brazilia
A Force. And then they said the captain they were
the leader of the operation Saorucer. And it was very
funny because for the first time that Captain Ola, the
(16:38):
Mets sold their flag yok is a leader before him,
uh the Solder flag as him. Captain, sir, do you
believe in UFOs? And the captain said, no, I don't.
I have to see with my own eyes to believe it. Okay,
(16:59):
they start to work. That's great to mike sky watch
And in one night they were camping and a huge,
huge UFO like a disc just hover over the team
capital saw it. So their flood, you saw it. And
when his UFO just flew away the so the flood
(17:23):
you asked to an alser, do you believe it now?
I do? So. This investigation started in September of nineteen
seventy seven and ended in Deserver of nineteen seve seven,
but we had another group, another team that came from
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January to May of nineteen seventy eight. But it's not
the same, it's not so so many cases and well,
the military took more than two hundred photos. Now we
have many photos who have more than two pay to
(18:03):
talk the pages of documents. Yes, there was some of
this photos of the It was made by the militaries
and the reports the Jordan the photographers of the newspapers
in Pari state. So we had also the militaries and
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the media. The press media investigates the phenomenon. That's why
we have so many photos and reports of many many people.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So as I mean, I'm sure you know Roswell, I
wouldn't even compare it to Roswell because Roswell was not
an attack. Roswell was a crash crash, so it wasn't
something that affected people, you know, per se. This was
honestly kind of one of the first attacks. It sounds
(18:59):
on them a mass amounts of people that I've ever
heard of. Is there another incident like this in Brazil
or anywhere in the world that you know of.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
No, And that's not, that's not, that's not. It exists
with more than two thousand people attacked by this UFO.
Two thousand people. More than two hundred thousand people saw it,
saw the UFOLS.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
That's harder than I yes.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
From this spirit. From September seventeen seven to May seventy eight,
nineteen seventy eight, more than two hundred people saw it,
saw some kind of UFH in the sky. And we
have the documents official in the past, secret blopments from
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the military, from the Brazilian Air Force, and we have
the photos. We have photos, and we have the testimonies.
It's just the testimony was not just by let's say, uh,
not so smart people. I mean inside people, inside country people. Uh.
(20:15):
We are talking about judge, doctors, congressmans, uh, police uh
uh uh, policemen, militarist chief of policemen, priests, well, a
lot of different types of social types of people in
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that area, not just Colaris, but in many cities of
the Para Maneyl state. So what happened there, it's something
that never happened after or before it. I tried to
see it, to to to discover something like this, and
I couldn't find it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, I mean no, I've I've interviewed thousands of people
on UFOs and I've never heard anything like It's just
crazy here in the US. I've not heard of this before.
So I just find it fascinating that this has been
around since nineteen seventy seven. Thousands and thousands of people
saw it, thousands of you know, hundreds of people were
(21:19):
affected by it, but yet we don't hear much about it.
In fact, Operations Saucer. They ended Operation Saucer kind of abruptly.
And why do you think that was?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think because it got too close to get some answer.
And also the main reason was because the United States
wanted to do their own investigation. We know, we know
that because they planned I spy, you know, one of
(21:58):
the biggest news scriper of products.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Interesting, Yeah, and they this spy from Peru, They from
I think it was from Cia. Isn't a book of
Collish main Its a journalism journalists here in Brazil that
covered in spots in Low Cot these events much if
(22:23):
much earlier and much far than the Brazilian Air Force.
He was there and that he and two of his
friends discovered the spy a newspaper of Parda and the
United States. In my opinion, they think they thought that
(22:44):
there was some kind of Soviet Union device. That's why
they got some interested on this.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
So they thought it was a weapon.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A weapon, yeah, something like that. But when they start
to see the evidence, these photos and the films, we
have twenty hours of films, movie of UFOs, real movies,
they got, wa, this is not from us, this is
(23:18):
not from theirs. Did something from someone else? And I
think that's why they start to investigate for by their
own Yeah, yeah, in my opinion, and we have some
evidence that you were here when when Captain and that
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went to protest and protect the chief of the bersion
and force in that region, and they said to you,
and he said the breatherer, the general said the general
breather said to him, well, the mission is complete. It
(24:01):
you just dis clothed all under said that he saw
two officials who were in uniform military uniforms that were
not from the result and in many advents, in many
events investigations, and that that I heard I heard from
people that investigate there. Uh there were for people together
(24:25):
with Brazilian militaries. And I asked them and I asked
him because it was mister uh Francisco, and I asked
him why why do you think that those individuals from
it's not Brazilian because he spoke a different language, it's
(24:47):
not Portuguese, right right? Wow, So the American were here
and the start to investigated by their own, by their
own and.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
How long after how long after they start researching it?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
From well, from December when then the oppression plate ended
in December they started investigating. But we know that they
were here much before that. Yeah, maybe together the Brazilian
militaries or in the middle from September to December, they
were in somewhere and that in that date, in that
(25:24):
period they were here to investigate as well.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well, so yeah, that's pretty fascinating. And uh, I'm just stunned.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Like I said that, we haven't heard it here.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But how do you compare testimonies from people from Cholaris
compared to other UFO contact cases around the world in
terms of like fear, belief or even physical contact or impact?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Sorry, well we are talking that song that does a
events happened in nineteen seven seven, right, almost four years
ago in the north of Brazil, and you know it,
what I'm going to tell you know it, the north
of Brazil is bigger than many countries in the world.
(26:17):
In the world, you can put half of Europe in
the north of Brazil. Okay, if you want to go
from one city to another, you have to take a boat,
three or four by boat or ferryboat. If you have
some road, it's not the best road in the world.
So you're going to take several hours to go from
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one city to another. Four years ago, in nineteen seven seven,
just a few, just I mean very few houses had
TV TV. The communication, the information, the news to those
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people came from radio. So there's no radio shows back
that time broadcasted that showed something about UFOs.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Even here, it was rare.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Very rare. So to those people to make it up
something like that, more than two one hundred thousand people
to make it up some kind of fantasy like this,
it's impossible. Yeah, it's impossible. They live in a a
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in an inner Brazil, in a in an inside count
of Brazil, in a middle of the jungle, literally in
the middle of the jungle. They have jungle in a
backyard and they have a big river or ocean in front.
There's no other kind of communicator. There's no internet, there's
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no cell phone. That's even not telephone in many places
just radio to talk in radio, to listen the news
what happened in the world. So the difference from those
people that lived there from the people that live in city.
The people that live in city had much more information
(28:27):
about UFOs. They can understand and they can't create a
story about some sighting or abduction or case. But those
people four years ago, they cannot. They cannot invent something
like that because they have no uh id say, there
(28:52):
have no pattern, they have no information. They could not
just invent something that they don't know. Yeah, that's why,
in my opinion that those testimonies from those people, it's
very unique because they didn't have no reference. They had
(29:12):
no reference to create something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, I'll use this as an example. Before I was
born in nineteen sixty nine, so I was just what's
eight years old when that happened. But before I was born,
my grandfather was in the hospital and died. So he
saw the light, he went through the tunnel. He you know,
he saw his mother that said it wasn't your time.
(29:37):
This was before a time when there were documentaries and
all these books, and he or he wouldn't have watched
it or read it anyway. So to say, you know, oh,
people nowadays, Oh, they just think they did because they
saw it in a movie or they saw it in
a book or read it in a book and whatever.
So exactly, even to this day, going to the Amazon,
(30:03):
you know that's there's no reception for your cell phone,
especially you know Americans, because we it's hard. It's really
hard to get reception inside the Amazon. For us, it's
just not there. So yes, I couldn't imagine in nineteen
seventy seven when there's nothing. Even where I was from
(30:24):
in Kansas, you know, we had three channels and it
was a antenna that you had to turn to even
get those channels. So yes, it would have made a
huge difference. But I am curious. I am curious some
of the people that were younger took maybe two, three, five,
(30:46):
ten years later remembered something or was revisited by any
of these aliens. Did they Did you have any of
these people that you went back or came to you
and said, I have I want to share more.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
No, all people that I know that they don't have
another type of attack. Let's talk about the attack. They
never been attacked twice. I don't know none of them
that had been attacked twice into talking twenty four. I
was there to investigate and to show to shoot an
(31:26):
episode of the investigation Alien with George Now and we
met mister Orda is the famous photo the lady Lady
laid down with a mark and over her chest, and
we met her and I spoke to her about what happened,
(31:47):
and I asked to her if she was angry about
what happened, some kind of I hate aliens. No, I don't.
I don't hate them. I don't know what they wore. Hmm.
I just asked myself, why me? Because when I was attacked,
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I was with my sister that she was by my side,
and that huge light, like a ball lights with five
or six meters of diameter, shoot me. I would I'm
just she said to me, I'm just curious. Why me?
So she didn't get angry, right, And we have a
(32:32):
lot of testimonies, and I spoke with a lot of
people that knew someone that had been attacked or were attacked,
and then said me, uh, I never saw something like
that after that. Some probably saw a light but never
attacked again. From from that that, that thing that was
(32:55):
it was, I don't know what it was, but none
that I know came to me and said, well, uh,
that was just that was not just one attack. After that,
I got an abduction or I got a contact. No,
(33:16):
what happened there just had once at every people, just once.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So they never or did they do testing to make
sure it wasn't There was no radiation checking for more
more more like a sunburn. Uh did they just like
what you said, Well, it's like a mosquito bite type
of wells, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
It was very different from a skill, very different, I'm
sure because the birds had three marks, three marks, and
people that saw someone being attacked or people that were checked,
they could see inside of that laser or I don't know,
they could see three three line three filaments, three very
(34:06):
very very thin like needle. Uh, different colors inside the
light of the laser. And and when when the people
got hit by that thing, they start to scratch and
get red, and the people start to get nausea and
(34:27):
get sick and very weak. And those that went to
the hospital, uh, they were examine it and they took
some blood sample. Well the results were that people got
an AMIA after attack. They were very health before it,
(34:51):
and after attack they got an AA and some people
that start thinking, well, she could be malaria or yellow
or yellow fever, but it's completely totally different. And many
people that got attacked got an amia, so that thing
not only sucked the blood, but also sucked the iron
(35:15):
of the blood. That's why we get an And many
of these reports, I know, all of it. Just the
medical reports from the hospitals just disappear, just disappear.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And all the reports, medical reports.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Medical reports in Para. And when when I asked to
Couchngish that were with us with George and me shooting
the series, and when I ask Carus because where where
(35:57):
are the medical reports? And he said chuckle, I don't know,
But George said maybe I do. I have a friend
Namd Bigelo. I think he ca know the answer. So
probably this metal it was that it's an evidence. Yeah,
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that's something happened there. Maybe it's the United States together
through the films.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
So even here in the United States, you know a
lot of the Congress has started doing more, coming out
to military is becoming more, you know, revealing of incidences
and sightings. How is the Brazilian government in twenty twenty five,
how have they approached these UAPs versus I'm sure a
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lot since nineteen seventy seven, But are they more open
to talking about stuff like this?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Well, open to talk. They always have been open to talk.
There's no action, But there's no action. We have been
trying since two thousand and five. We have a campaign
here created by the habiital magazine and also the Brazilian
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Anthologist Committee Commission the CPU. Since two thousand and five,
we are demanding the disclosure of the documents here in Brazil,
and we got a great success because we have more
than two thousand pages of the depression plate and photos
and reports and other cases and for the photos, videos, autists.
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We have a lot of things here in the national
archives in Brazil. But we are looking for the videos
and are looking for more photos because we know that
more photos, and they're looking for evidence and documents, official
documents from other cases that happened here was like Virginia,
like a night. The official nights of the US was
nineteen ninety eighty six. And there Brazilian government they don't
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pay attention because we have so many problems here tony
like social problems, that economic problems, political problems, education problems,
have a lot of problems they the government. We do
not spend time with some thing like this. But now
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in September, we got hearing at brazil Chamber of Deputies
official official hearing. We had the opportunity. You followed, some
of the biggest to follow this in Brazil, myself, Michael
(38:55):
to pichif Heldo Haama you, Vitar Paccaccini, We had the
opportunity to go to Brazilian Chamber of Deputies to discuss
about euthology. It was an official hearing, so we could
talk with the deputies to show that we are not
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there just to ask about it ties and flying saucers.
We are demanding the right of the old Brazilios right,
the right to know the truth, to get access to
the documents, and also to be very clear that the
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UFOs are something that risk of a national security because
they are here in our space, coming in, coming out
without any problem, and we must to understand and know
what it is. If it's some kind of a UH
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special secretary plane, aircraft from United States, from Cuba, from Russia,
from North Korea, we must identify and know what it is.
If it's something from our other space, we must try
to identify that. So now I think after this hearing,
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we are not asking anymore for the president government only.
We are now going through the chambers, the congressmans in
the Senate and the Chamber of Deputies we go. We're
going through them to pressure like the United States is doing,
to pressure the government to release the disclosure documents, and
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we are trying to get the experience and the example
hope of what unit it's doing. You have three herees
to talk during twenty four five. We are using this
like an example show the Brasinian parliaments.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we our community. I would love
to be a part of a congressional hearing just to
to feel that uh, information flowing back and forth between
the powers that be versus you know, people that wanting
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to know the answers. So I appreciate you being able
to do that because I know, I know the bureaucracy
in Brazil. It's it's just to get just to get
anything done. It's it's crazy. And being part of mof
on Brazil and you've written sixteen books about what I
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can't believe sixteen that's crazy to even thank you you
put that many together. But what makes this one so
special for you versus the other books you've written.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Because for the first time I can bring new information
about what happened back there in nineteen seven seven. For
the first time there's a book wrote in English with
documents and photos and testimony and the many characters of
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the whole events of a whole de operasion sorcer. And
also I put in this book my own investigation about
what it is still happened in But I state we
still have sightings of lights communicaing out from the river,
(42:56):
in the water, from the ocean. We still have people
seeing uh, spaceships over beaches like might Beach or the
place of operation place in colarist And for me, it
was an opportunity to show that, well the text the
(43:17):
text stop it, but exiting the the people that are
seeing something still going on. So something is still going on,
not of Brazil, and we must understand it, and it
might have been I have to show it to the
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rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Well before we get out of here.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
There might be people here in America that because I
get people that listen all over the world. Thank you
guys for listening to me.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
But that may want to maybe reach out to you
and say, I would love to know more information, not
only getting your book, but maybe they want to come
and be a part of a researcher, have their own study.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Maybe it's scientific. Maybe it's just a local chapter somewhere
that wants to come down. How do they get in
contact with you or your organization that you're part of?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Okay, that's below me. That's my Instagram account, so people
and reach me there also on Facebook and tube. We
just tie chibo chickatch. You're gonna find all my social
media and you can get in touch with me asking
for information or give me information or anything. Because I
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think this subject and this book here, this book here
is not a faybook, almost four hundred pages of books
with information, photos and drawings, official drawings by made by
the military.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
That's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Uh. For me, it's a player shared this so people
can reach me out in my Instagram, on Facebook, YouTube
and everything.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Well I'm serious about because like I said, we just
bought some land in Manaos. I really want to do
some type of UFO, maybe not a conference, but a
get together. Uh and uh, I would love to have
you be a part of that because I think that.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Would be amazing to do.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, and maybe some of the people that are listening
they may want to come down, So we hope you
guys stay tuned for that. But Chiago, let everybody know
again where they find you. You know, I know, are
you still the director of move On? Somebody wants to
contact the organization itself? Do they just go to like
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move on Brazil or how does how does that work?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah? You can find me at move on, move on
dot com on Internet and as my you can find
a chapter at move on side you can find Brazil.
So you have my email and also my social media
and you can get in touch of me making questions
and send me some information. And also you can reach
(46:13):
me and my website of hea UF Magazine is like
www dot ufo dot com dot r the magazine. UF
Magazine for more than thirty years publishing the magazine. In December,
you're going to have the three one hundred issue party.
(46:33):
I'm going to reach the tree hundred issue. So it's
going to be it's a stark. It's a stork for us,
So you can find me anywhere.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I love it Chicago, tikachill.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Right, Chickatchy is almost there, almost there.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Ye Chickatchi yeah, like you know. But thank you so much,
and please come back. I definitely want to have you back, So.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Thank you, Tony. It's a pleasure, pleasure. Please just in
like me and then we'll be here again with you
and maybe in my mouths as well.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yes, so everybody watch out for that. But thank you
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here on the Club Paranormal Network. This is Truth be Told,
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(47:32):
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(47:52):
take care of yourself and each other.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Bye.
Well, today we're going to be taking a vacation down
to South America where we dive deep into the mysteries
that lie just beyond the edge of reality. I'm your host,
Tony Sweet, and today we're joined by a truly extraordinary guest,
someone who has dedicated his life to uncover the truth
behind some of the most compelling UFO cases in history.
(00:21):
Our guest is Chiago Luis Diccetti, the National director of
Muffon in Brazil. He's a certified field researcher, a member
of the Scientific Coalition of UAP Studies, and the author
of sixteen groundbreaking books on UFOs and extraordinary phenomena, including
his latest book, a UFO Attacks in Brazil, the true
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story of a most terrifying event in the history of eufology.
This powerful new work uncovers the chilling and deeply investigated
events surrounding Operation Saucer, a secret Brazilian Air Force mission
in nineteen seventy seven that documented strength, lights, unexplained burns
and encounters that terrorize the island of Cholaris, Brazil. With
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official records, eyewitnesses and investigative insight, Chiago brings these frightening
encounters to life like never before. So buckle up, because
today we're not just talking about unidentifying flying objects. We're
talking about direct attacks that left a community in fear
and evidence that still challenges our understandings of what is
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out there. So I'm tony sweet with Truth be Told.
Please welcome to the Truth Be Told Studios for the
first time. Chiago Luis Tocchetti. Okay, Chiago, how you doing fine?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Thank you. We have a lot of people here.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Right, they love you, They love you well. First of all,
I need you to correct me because I did not
say your last name right, So can you tell us
your full name just so? I got Chiago right, I
know that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, Higo's perfect. Louise is perfect as well. Last the
last name is CHICKATCHI.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Catchy to catchy, like Italian. I know it's That's when
I first heard it. I was like, oh he's Italian.
All right, Well, thank you, thank you so much for
being here. I'm excited to talk about your book. I
mean this book. I mean, first of all, I'm a
big Amazon up there. It is a big Amazon brazil fan.
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I you know, I married some money from Brazil, so
fell in love with the people and the history and
just the diversity of just land masses. Uh So, to
hear about one of my favorite subjects UFOs, it even
enhanced my love for Brazil. So let's let's just dive
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right in, so uh Chev as someone who has studied
UFO cases all around the world, when you first uncovered
the details, and I hope I say this right, Cholarius incident,
what truth or insight hits you so hard that it
changed the way you looked at this phenomenon, not just
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as a researcher, but just as a human being, earthly being?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah? What really stood out.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well? Sost of all, I think of, thank you Tony
to invite me to be here. It's a pleasure, and
that you are almost one of us Brazil.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
You know, I am well when I start to learn
about this episodes, many epiodes that happen in Cholaris, not
only Coloris, but in several seats nearby Colaris and in
another state of Brazil, like Madaguo State.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
When I first heard about it, for me, it was
something unbelievable because in my mind, I think I I
was twelve or thirteen years old. From my mind, I
already read about I had already read books about UFOL
the magazines, But my my understanding, they were just flying
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sorcerers or any kind of shape and being from these
ships that come and talk to you or or try
to get inside the ship, not a production, just like
a contact tea. And I when I heard about this
operational saucer in Portuguese, I got, I got something new
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because people were attacked, attacked by these UFOs, and people
suffer burns and soffer knowledge and suffer. They got sick
after this attack, So something that might just change it.
(04:59):
And what it was not only the fact himself that
impressed me, the participation and the distigation of militarists. My
father was an Air Force military Air Force pilot, so
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when I heard it for the first time, I mean, well,
my father is a part of Burthen Air Force and
a crew of birth hidden militaries from Air Force came
to the place, to that place to investigate. So for
me it was like a boom. Something happened there. And
now we have dokments who have photos, who have testimonies,
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who have a thousand of evidences that something really really
strange and it was not a social experiment that happened there,
So that that browed my mind when I heard for
the first time, Well.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well tell me this, was there anything such as a
military base around?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Was there a nuclear site?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Was there anything that attracted this area that you think
the UFO or extraterrestrials would be interested in.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
No, we don't have a nuclear business in Brazil. We
don't have nuclear weapons in Brazil. We have a nuclear
plant in a huge and area younger Ducuation, but it's
not working at all, just part of it. Santa was
a kid, and that part of it is working, and
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that we don't have like a special basis. We have
a basis, Air Force basis and several things of Brazil
or Berlain. But of course we have a base there.
But Colaris is a little far from Berlin, Mosquno Island
and to sell Sun Island, they are a little far
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from the lake. So there's no base. There's no interest,
like a military interest of the UFOs to be there.
In our opinion, my opinion, my own, my own opinion.
I think that they were there to make some kind
of experiment and they use it the rivers from Amazon.
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You know, man, how so you know the side when
when you fly over the north of Brazil the states
of the north of brutil You can see that. You
can see that the mansion of the size of the
rivers the huge, they're very huge. If you stay in
the shore of a river or of one big river,
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you cannot see the other shore. You just see the
hardened so you think it's like the ocean. So in
my opinion, they they went there for some reason, but
to make a kind of experiment and use it the
rivers to hide, some way to hide and get in
and get out. Because we have this moment from from
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people that saw and militaries also they saw these shifts
or what else, uh, coming in and coming out from
the rivers and going to the forest and hover and
hover uh cities. So I don't know, there isn't We
don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'm because I for the people, have never been to
especially northern Brazil. I've been to Manaos many times and
it's really out in the middle of the Amazon. It's
right next to the Amazon River. But you know, Claris,
I'm not familiar with it because I've not been there.
But you can get lost in the forest very quickly,
(08:56):
so you know, if there is a UFO or anybody
that wants hide that would be one place you would
go to be lost. Yeah, so it makes sense. But
I'm curious of this incident. I think it was nineteen
seventy seven. Had there ever been sightings or any abductions
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verified before that? Before this incident?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Not abduction. I don't know any case of production regarding
correlicted with this episodes or before it. But sightings one
hundred signings. We have signings in the long Brazil since
ninety thirties, when it was the first time that we
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published something in the newspaper in the Genera in San Paulo.
But if you go there and talk with people, they're
gonna tell you stories, but not about stories about the
flying disc. They don't. They don't use this word. They
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use another thing. They use fireballs, or they use like
flooding something like that, or they use a folklore. They
use folklore. In Brazil, we have folklore like uh Managua
water water mother? What what? What's the water mother? It's
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a pole of flight that came out out of the
river and chase and attack people in the forest. So
what is it? What is it? It's very similar if
you if you get these reports, this folklore and brings
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to diffology, you can't. You can find some resemblance between
the two of it. So if you go there, you
have a lot of stories and legends of folk growth
creatures that if you put slight like a scientific view,
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you can fix. You can you can you can put
it in an eupology of research because it's just like
we know today, but that thing happened for fifty one
hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also, I know there's still a
lot of native tribes that are still in existence in
the Amazon. I was curious if there are any tribes
located near Kolaris and to see if anybody went and
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spoke with them about you know, they're legends of fireballs
and UFO incidents.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I don't know if there's some tribe near Claris, probably yes,
but they are not I mean, they're not savage. Let's
let's say that right now. They live in the vilization
now near the civilization. They were shorts and have cars
and cell phones just like that. But if you go
there and ask for the other people there, the other
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people there, they're gonna tell the stories about the creatures,
about the folklore. And if you go in a more
far try, they're gonna tell the same. They're gonna tell
you that they see uh, strange stars in the sky
that can move and go faster and stuff, or or
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fireballs coming out of the rivers or get in the river.
So they're not Brazil. It's a spectacular of your ful cases.
And in my opinion, we just know a little percent
of all of it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Right And I see I'm saying I'm seeing on the
map now it's actually up in north northeastern Brazil, right
on the coastline.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
So so not only they had forest, they had rivers,
and they also had the ocean, so yactly, yeah, so
I now I'm seeing pictures. I want to go visit,
by the way, so well, being someone that's part of
the UFO community, the moof on Brazil, actually the national director,
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excuse me, fancy, I want to know did you were
you able to gain access to official documents from this
incident and even from Operation Saucer, And I'd like you
to explain what Operation Saucer is.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, now we have more than two thousand pages of
official documents. Wow about the perish Saucer. It happened in
nineteen seventy seven, when people when fishermen start to to
not go to fish because they are reporting that while
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in their boat they saw a lot of lights over
them and chasing away the fishes. So they start to
get afraid of it. And this the first was first
was both lights and then became to appear shapes of
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objects like chick tak, classic flying disc, rectangular and cylinders
eight types at least of UFOs. And they start to
not only stay over the river, but now they are
going to the cities and start to attack people with
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later some kind of like the beginning, and the people
from the cities were so scared they were running away
from the cities.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And it became those cities and the mayors of the
those cities got got in contact with the Brazilian Air
Force because if something in the sky is the matter
of Brazilian Air Force, and the first sent a small
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group of militaries to investigate and trying to discover what's
what's going on, because in nineteen seventy seven we are
in the middle of the Cold War and Brazil is
a lie of United States. The capitalism and the probably
the Brasilan Air Force are afraid. We're afraid if some
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Soviet plane war in a forest trying to something like that.
And they send this group of military to investigations and
they start to talk to people, and they started to
make camp to do SkyWatch and they started to record
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and photo and see your pools in the sky. And
they will pour back to the headquarters of the Brazilia
A Force. And then they said the captain they were
the leader of the operation Saorucer. And it was very
funny because for the first time that Captain Ola, the
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Mets sold their flag yok is a leader before him,
uh the Solder flag as him. Captain, sir, do you
believe in UFOs? And the captain said, no, I don't.
I have to see with my own eyes to believe it. Okay,
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they start to work. That's great to mike sky watch
And in one night they were camping and a huge,
huge UFO like a disc just hover over the team
capital saw it. So their flood, you saw it. And
when his UFO just flew away the so the flood
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you asked to an alser, do you believe it now?
I do? So. This investigation started in September of nineteen
seventy seven and ended in Deserver of nineteen seve seven,
but we had another group, another team that came from
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January to May of nineteen seventy eight. But it's not
the same, it's not so so many cases and well,
the military took more than two hundred photos. Now we
have many photos who have more than two pay to
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talk the pages of documents. Yes, there was some of
this photos of the It was made by the militaries
and the reports the Jordan the photographers of the newspapers
in Pari state. So we had also the militaries and
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the media. The press media investigates the phenomenon. That's why
we have so many photos and reports of many many people.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So as I mean, I'm sure you know Roswell, I
wouldn't even compare it to Roswell because Roswell was not
an attack. Roswell was a crash crash, so it wasn't
something that affected people, you know, per se. This was
honestly kind of one of the first attacks. It sounds
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on them a mass amounts of people that I've ever
heard of. Is there another incident like this in Brazil
or anywhere in the world that you know of.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
No, And that's not, that's not, that's not. It exists
with more than two thousand people attacked by this UFO.
Two thousand people. More than two hundred thousand people saw it,
saw the UFOLS.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
That's harder than I yes.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
From this spirit. From September seventeen seven to May seventy eight,
nineteen seventy eight, more than two hundred people saw it,
saw some kind of UFH in the sky. And we
have the documents official in the past, secret blopments from
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the military, from the Brazilian Air Force, and we have
the photos. We have photos, and we have the testimonies.
It's just the testimony was not just by let's say, uh,
not so smart people. I mean inside people, inside country people. Uh.
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We are talking about judge, doctors, congressmans, uh, police uh
uh uh, policemen, militarist chief of policemen, priests, well, a
lot of different types of social types of people in
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that area, not just Colaris, but in many cities of
the Para Maneyl state. So what happened there, it's something
that never happened after or before it. I tried to
see it, to to to discover something like this, and
I couldn't find it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, I mean no, I've I've interviewed thousands of people
on UFOs and I've never heard anything like It's just
crazy here in the US. I've not heard of this before.
So I just find it fascinating that this has been
around since nineteen seventy seven. Thousands and thousands of people
saw it, thousands of you know, hundreds of people were
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affected by it, but yet we don't hear much about it.
In fact, Operations Saucer. They ended Operation Saucer kind of abruptly.
And why do you think that was?
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think because it got too close to get some answer.
And also the main reason was because the United States
wanted to do their own investigation. We know, we know
that because they planned I spy, you know, one of
(21:58):
the biggest news scriper of products.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Interesting, Yeah, and they this spy from Peru, They from
I think it was from Cia. Isn't a book of
Collish main Its a journalism journalists here in Brazil that
covered in spots in Low Cot these events much if
(22:23):
much earlier and much far than the Brazilian Air Force.
He was there and that he and two of his
friends discovered the spy a newspaper of Parda and the
United States. In my opinion, they think they thought that
(22:44):
there was some kind of Soviet Union device. That's why
they got some interested on this.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
So they thought it was a weapon.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A weapon, yeah, something like that. But when they start
to see the evidence, these photos and the films, we
have twenty hours of films, movie of UFOs, real movies,
they got, wa, this is not from us, this is
(23:18):
not from theirs. Did something from someone else? And I
think that's why they start to investigate for by their
own Yeah, yeah, in my opinion, and we have some
evidence that you were here when when Captain and that
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went to protest and protect the chief of the bersion
and force in that region, and they said to you,
and he said the breatherer, the general said the general
breather said to him, well, the mission is complete. It
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you just dis clothed all under said that he saw
two officials who were in uniform military uniforms that were
not from the result and in many advents, in many
events investigations, and that that I heard I heard from
people that investigate there. Uh there were for people together
(24:25):
with Brazilian militaries. And I asked them and I asked
him because it was mister uh Francisco, and I asked
him why why do you think that those individuals from
it's not Brazilian because he spoke a different language, it's
(24:47):
not Portuguese, right right? Wow, So the American were here
and the start to investigated by their own, by their
own and.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
How long after how long after they start researching it?
Speaker 2 (25:03):
From well, from December when then the oppression plate ended
in December they started investigating. But we know that they
were here much before that. Yeah, maybe together the Brazilian
militaries or in the middle from September to December, they
were in somewhere and that in that date, in that
(25:24):
period they were here to investigate as well.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Well, so yeah, that's pretty fascinating. And uh, I'm just stunned.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Like I said that, we haven't heard it here.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
But how do you compare testimonies from people from Cholaris
compared to other UFO contact cases around the world in
terms of like fear, belief or even physical contact or impact?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Sorry, well we are talking that song that does a
events happened in nineteen seven seven, right, almost four years
ago in the north of Brazil, and you know it,
what I'm going to tell you know it, the north
of Brazil is bigger than many countries in the world.
(26:17):
In the world, you can put half of Europe in
the north of Brazil. Okay, if you want to go
from one city to another, you have to take a boat,
three or four by boat or ferryboat. If you have
some road, it's not the best road in the world.
So you're going to take several hours to go from
(26:40):
one city to another. Four years ago, in nineteen seven seven,
just a few, just I mean very few houses had
TV TV. The communication, the information, the news to those
(27:02):
people came from radio. So there's no radio shows back
that time broadcasted that showed something about UFOs.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Even here, it was rare.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Very rare. So to those people to make it up
something like that, more than two one hundred thousand people
to make it up some kind of fantasy like this,
it's impossible. Yeah, it's impossible. They live in a a
(27:43):
in an inner Brazil, in a in an inside count
of Brazil, in a middle of the jungle, literally in
the middle of the jungle. They have jungle in a
backyard and they have a big river or ocean in front.
There's no other kind of communicator. There's no internet, there's
(28:05):
no cell phone. That's even not telephone in many places
just radio to talk in radio, to listen the news
what happened in the world. So the difference from those
people that lived there from the people that live in city.
The people that live in city had much more information
(28:27):
about UFOs. They can understand and they can't create a
story about some sighting or abduction or case. But those
people four years ago, they cannot. They cannot invent something
like that because they have no uh id say, there
(28:52):
have no pattern, they have no information. They could not
just invent something that they don't know. Yeah, that's why,
in my opinion that those testimonies from those people, it's
very unique because they didn't have no reference. They had
(29:12):
no reference to create something like that.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, I'll use this as an example. Before I was
born in nineteen sixty nine, so I was just what's
eight years old when that happened. But before I was born,
my grandfather was in the hospital and died. So he
saw the light, he went through the tunnel. He you know,
he saw his mother that said it wasn't your time.
(29:37):
This was before a time when there were documentaries and
all these books, and he or he wouldn't have watched
it or read it anyway. So to say, you know, oh,
people nowadays, Oh, they just think they did because they
saw it in a movie or they saw it in
a book or read it in a book and whatever.
So exactly, even to this day, going to the Amazon,
(30:03):
you know that's there's no reception for your cell phone,
especially you know Americans, because we it's hard. It's really
hard to get reception inside the Amazon. For us, it's
just not there. So yes, I couldn't imagine in nineteen
seventy seven when there's nothing. Even where I was from
(30:24):
in Kansas, you know, we had three channels and it
was a antenna that you had to turn to even
get those channels. So yes, it would have made a
huge difference. But I am curious. I am curious some
of the people that were younger took maybe two, three, five,
(30:46):
ten years later remembered something or was revisited by any
of these aliens. Did they Did you have any of
these people that you went back or came to you
and said, I have I want to share more.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
No, all people that I know that they don't have
another type of attack. Let's talk about the attack. They
never been attacked twice. I don't know none of them
that had been attacked twice into talking twenty four. I
was there to investigate and to show to shoot an
(31:26):
episode of the investigation Alien with George Now and we
met mister Orda is the famous photo the lady Lady
laid down with a mark and over her chest, and
we met her and I spoke to her about what happened,
(31:47):
and I asked to her if she was angry about
what happened, some kind of I hate aliens. No, I don't.
I don't hate them. I don't know what they wore. Hmm.
I just asked myself, why me? Because when I was attacked,
(32:07):
I was with my sister that she was by my side,
and that huge light, like a ball lights with five
or six meters of diameter, shoot me. I would I'm
just she said to me, I'm just curious. Why me?
So she didn't get angry, right, And we have a
(32:32):
lot of testimonies, and I spoke with a lot of
people that knew someone that had been attacked or were attacked,
and then said me, uh, I never saw something like
that after that. Some probably saw a light but never
attacked again. From from that that, that thing that was
(32:55):
it was, I don't know what it was, but none
that I know came to me and said, well, uh,
that was just that was not just one attack. After that,
I got an abduction or I got a contact. No,
(33:16):
what happened there just had once at every people, just once.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So they never or did they do testing to make
sure it wasn't There was no radiation checking for more
more more like a sunburn. Uh did they just like
what you said, Well, it's like a mosquito bite type
of wells, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
It was very different from a skill, very different, I'm
sure because the birds had three marks, three marks, and
people that saw someone being attacked or people that were checked,
they could see inside of that laser or I don't know,
they could see three three line three filaments, three very
(34:06):
very very thin like needle. Uh, different colors inside the
light of the laser. And and when when the people
got hit by that thing, they start to scratch and
get red, and the people start to get nausea and
(34:27):
get sick and very weak. And those that went to
the hospital, uh, they were examine it and they took
some blood sample. Well the results were that people got
an AMIA after attack. They were very health before it,
(34:51):
and after attack they got an AA and some people
that start thinking, well, she could be malaria or yellow
or yellow fever, but it's completely totally different. And many
people that got attacked got an amia, so that thing
not only sucked the blood, but also sucked the iron
(35:15):
of the blood. That's why we get an And many
of these reports, I know, all of it. Just the
medical reports from the hospitals just disappear, just disappear.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And all the reports, medical reports.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Medical reports in Para. And when when I asked to
Couchngish that were with us with George and me shooting
the series, and when I ask Carus because where where
(35:57):
are the medical reports? And he said chuckle, I don't know,
But George said maybe I do. I have a friend
Namd Bigelo. I think he ca know the answer. So
probably this metal it was that it's an evidence. Yeah,
(36:18):
that's something happened there. Maybe it's the United States together
through the films.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
So even here in the United States, you know a
lot of the Congress has started doing more, coming out
to military is becoming more, you know, revealing of incidences
and sightings. How is the Brazilian government in twenty twenty five,
how have they approached these UAPs versus I'm sure a
(36:52):
lot since nineteen seventy seven, But are they more open
to talking about stuff like this?
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Well, open to talk. They always have been open to talk.
There's no action, But there's no action. We have been
trying since two thousand and five. We have a campaign
here created by the habiital magazine and also the Brazilian
(37:22):
Anthologist Committee Commission the CPU. Since two thousand and five,
we are demanding the disclosure of the documents here in Brazil,
and we got a great success because we have more
than two thousand pages of the depression plate and photos
and reports and other cases and for the photos, videos, autists.
(37:45):
We have a lot of things here in the national
archives in Brazil. But we are looking for the videos
and are looking for more photos because we know that
more photos, and they're looking for evidence and documents, official
documents from other cases that happened here was like Virginia,
like a night. The official nights of the US was
nineteen ninety eighty six. And there Brazilian government they don't
(38:11):
pay attention because we have so many problems here tony
like social problems, that economic problems, political problems, education problems,
have a lot of problems they the government. We do
not spend time with some thing like this. But now
(38:33):
in September, we got hearing at brazil Chamber of Deputies
official official hearing. We had the opportunity. You followed, some
of the biggest to follow this in Brazil, myself, Michael
(38:55):
to pichif Heldo Haama you, Vitar Paccaccini, We had the
opportunity to go to Brazilian Chamber of Deputies to discuss
about euthology. It was an official hearing, so we could
talk with the deputies to show that we are not
(39:19):
there just to ask about it ties and flying saucers.
We are demanding the right of the old Brazilios right,
the right to know the truth, to get access to
the documents, and also to be very clear that the
(39:42):
UFOs are something that risk of a national security because
they are here in our space, coming in, coming out
without any problem, and we must to understand and know
what it is. If it's some kind of a UH
(40:06):
special secretary plane, aircraft from United States, from Cuba, from Russia,
from North Korea, we must identify and know what it is.
If it's something from our other space, we must try
to identify that. So now I think after this hearing,
(40:30):
we are not asking anymore for the president government only.
We are now going through the chambers, the congressmans in
the Senate and the Chamber of Deputies we go. We're
going through them to pressure like the United States is doing,
to pressure the government to release the disclosure documents, and
(40:55):
we are trying to get the experience and the example
hope of what unit it's doing. You have three herees
to talk during twenty four five. We are using this
like an example show the Brasinian parliaments.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we our community. I would love
to be a part of a congressional hearing just to
to feel that uh, information flowing back and forth between
the powers that be versus you know, people that wanting
(41:37):
to know the answers. So I appreciate you being able
to do that because I know, I know the bureaucracy
in Brazil. It's it's just to get just to get
anything done. It's it's crazy. And being part of mof
on Brazil and you've written sixteen books about what I
(42:00):
can't believe sixteen that's crazy to even thank you you
put that many together. But what makes this one so
special for you versus the other books you've written.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Because for the first time I can bring new information
about what happened back there in nineteen seven seven. For
the first time there's a book wrote in English with
documents and photos and testimony and the many characters of
(42:34):
the whole events of a whole de operasion sorcer. And
also I put in this book my own investigation about
what it is still happened in But I state we
still have sightings of lights communicaing out from the river,
(42:56):
in the water, from the ocean. We still have people
seeing uh, spaceships over beaches like might Beach or the
place of operation place in colarist And for me, it
was an opportunity to show that, well the text the
(43:17):
text stop it, but exiting the the people that are
seeing something still going on. So something is still going on,
not of Brazil, and we must understand it, and it
might have been I have to show it to the
(43:37):
rest of the world.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Well before we get out of here.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
There might be people here in America that because I
get people that listen all over the world. Thank you
guys for listening to me.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
But that may want to maybe reach out to you
and say, I would love to know more information, not
only getting your book, but maybe they want to come
and be a part of a researcher, have their own study.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Maybe it's scientific. Maybe it's just a local chapter somewhere
that wants to come down. How do they get in
contact with you or your organization that you're part of?
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Okay, that's below me. That's my Instagram account, so people
and reach me there also on Facebook and tube. We
just tie chibo chickatch. You're gonna find all my social
media and you can get in touch with me asking
for information or give me information or anything. Because I
(44:40):
think this subject and this book here, this book here
is not a faybook, almost four hundred pages of books
with information, photos and drawings, official drawings by made by
the military.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
That's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Uh. For me, it's a player shared this so people
can reach me out in my Instagram, on Facebook, YouTube
and everything.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Well I'm serious about because like I said, we just
bought some land in Manaos. I really want to do
some type of UFO, maybe not a conference, but a
get together. Uh and uh, I would love to have
you be a part of that because I think that.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Would be amazing to do.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Sure.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, and maybe some of the people that are listening
they may want to come down, So we hope you
guys stay tuned for that. But Chiago, let everybody know
again where they find you. You know, I know, are
you still the director of move On? Somebody wants to
contact the organization itself? Do they just go to like
(45:47):
move on Brazil or how does how does that work?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah? You can find me at move on, move on
dot com on Internet and as my you can find
a chapter at move on side you can find Brazil.
So you have my email and also my social media
and you can get in touch of me making questions
and send me some information. And also you can reach
(46:13):
me and my website of hea UF Magazine is like
www dot ufo dot com dot r the magazine. UF
Magazine for more than thirty years publishing the magazine. In December,
you're going to have the three one hundred issue party.
(46:33):
I'm going to reach the tree hundred issue. So it's
going to be it's a stark. It's a stork for us,
So you can find me anywhere.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I love it Chicago, tikachill.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Right, Chickatchy is almost there, almost there.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Ye Chickatchi yeah, like you know. But thank you so much,
and please come back. I definitely want to have you back, So.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Thank you, Tony. It's a pleasure, pleasure. Please just in
like me and then we'll be here again with you
and maybe in my mouths as well.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yes, so everybody watch out for that. But thank you
everybody for tuning in every Friday at three o'clock right
here on the Club Paranormal Network. This is Truth be Told,
and please subscribe, follow and share this show and we
hope that you really enjoy content like this new month,
we have a lot of great stuff coming up with
(47:32):
a Native American month, and of course jfk Assassinations is
coming up when it comes to his date that he
was assassinated in Dallas, Texas. So please tune in every
Friday right here on our YouTube channel. Until next time,
(47:52):
take care of yourself and each other.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Bye.
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