September 11, 2025 • 53 mins
Today we’re taking an UNFILTERED look at the murder of political commentator and Internet sophist, Charlie Kirk before we examine the legacy of 9/11 and how the tragic events of that
day changed us. Then Russia invades Poland, the GOP continues to block the release of the Epstein files, and Israel attacks Hamas in Qatar. Plus, the Supreme Court says it’s okay to
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Welcome, everyone.
Today we're taking an unfiltered look at the legacy of 9/11 and how the tragic events of that day changed us.
Um, we're also gonna be talking about Russia sending drones into Poland, Republicans in Congress continue to block the release of the Epstein files, Israel attacks Hamas in the Middle East, uh, and in Doha, plus a lot more coming up.
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This is Truth in the Barrel.
. You know, what a week, Amy.
And I- I gotta tell you, if people wanna keep listening to us, they're gonna have to subscribe, right?
You gotta go to YouTube, you gotta go to our social media channels, make sure, right, you go to the new Substack for Truth in the Barrel.
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Uh, but following us on X, following us on- on Truth Social even is what people need to be doing if they want to hear all this.
.99999999999272Because if you look at the topics you just talked about, Amy, it's gonna be an incredible conversation.
Um, I don't even know, you know, with everything that happened, uh, yesterday, with 9/11 today, with what you're seeing in our environment, Amy, I think we're in for a very dangerous, uh, and unique time over the next year going into midterms.
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And I think with all- what you said about our foreign policy issues also, it's hard for me not to think that there hasn't been a more cha- chaotic moment in the US since 9/11, you know?
Yeah.
Well, today is 9/11, the day that we're- Right.
recording this, and it's a very somber day, um, and one that's very personal to both you and me.
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Oh, yeah.
And we're going to get to that.
Um, but before we do, I think it's important to talk about what happened just yesterday in Utah- Yeah.
with the killing, the assassination of, um, a man by the name of Charlie Kirk, who, uh, was a right wing young influencer, um, and sort of
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He was the head and started, founded a group called Turning Point USA, which is a- a right wing, young, sort of collegiate group that pushed, um, a lot of conservative views, and he was, um, shot yesterday- Yeah.
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at a campus in Utah.
.0000000000291So, there's a lot going on there, and I just want to start with that.
Yeah, I mean, both of us have been in a political arena and Amy, I know you've had death threats.
Um, I've certainly had death threats and one attempt, as we've discussed, on me and no, um
And I think it's, um, you have to abhor political violence because that will break down the fabric of our society quicker than every- anything.
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And, you know, I- I can go into TPUSA.
You know, I don't- I don't know if you know this, Amy, um, but you know that, uh, Charlie had a founding partner named Bill Montgomery.
Um, Bill recruited him when he was 18 years old, told Charlie not to go to college, but to start TPUSA.
Bill Montgomery was an older gentleman, um, had been a business consultant, things of that nature, but they wanted to push conservative values and he thought that Charlie would be the one to do it at 18 years old, so literally took him in, um, and groomed him for this position.
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.0000000000291So, what's interesting about Bill Montgomery is, I don't know, Turning Point USA, when you're going back to 2020, uh, Charlie Kirk was per- pretty virulent about the anti-COVID stance that he had.
Mm-hmm.
Um, as was all of TPUSA.
.0000000000291Uh, when you're getting into 2020, as COVID got worse, what I don't think they realize is Bill Montgomery was almost 80 years old.
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Mm-hmm.
So, Bill Montgomery ends up dying of COVID.
Mm-hmm.
TPUSA had to go back and discreetly start scrubbing tweets and things like that when they were talking about not wearing masks with, um, Charlie Kirk pushing bizarre things like hydroxychloroquine.
He was deeply embedded in the conspiracy theories there.
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And I was looking at what happened yesterday, the tragedy of it.
It's interesting that, you know, 2 of the things that really they concentrated on, which was their anti-COVID stance with one of the founders killed there, and another founder who said that, really to summarize, that there had to be some deaths to continue with the second Amendment in the United States.
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It is something, Amy, that the 2 founders of Turning Point USA, um, sadly died on hills that were absolutely dangerous to actually go onto- Mm-hmm.
.0000000000582and I think it's pretty interesting to me, and tragic, how Bill Montgomery died, but also how Charlie Kirk died yesterday.
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It was absolutely tragic.
Um, Denver and I- I didn't know any of that.
Um, I- I didn't- I don't follow him, uh, you know, maybe the way that- that- that some others do.
Um, what struck me about yesterday, and I think we all kind of need to take a step back-
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uh, and just make sure that we are condemning violence against all members of, you know, any political faction in America.
We have to condemn this type of violence, you know, no matter what.
.0000000000582No matter if- if they're, like, wearing a red jersey or a blue jersey.
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It is wrong.
We- we- we should not, um, act like this.
We cannot ha- be a nation that has any leaders that fuel these types, uh, the flames of this.
.0000000000582We are all threatened by this culture of violence against people who we disagree with.
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I- I- I- I'm sure that there's very little that I agreed with this man, Charlie Kirk, on-But I, I, uh, it, it saddens me so much that, that he was killed yesterday.
I mean, we are all humans.
We're all humans.
Yeah, and you know- You know?
the ripple effect, Amy, I, is that what political figure is safe if everybody's on the table, you know, when it comes to violence?
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And that's what, you know, concerns me.
You know, and if me or you to ever enter the arena again, it's something we have to be even more acutely aware of right as we're going forward, um, you know, because you see this, this, this back and forth of politically motivated killings.
Um, it's pretty, it's pretty devastating.
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I have to say this though.
I absolutely abhor political violence.
What happened yesterday can never happen in this country.
The thing that people need to be careful about is that there is no way that I am going to pay tribute to somebody who was part of that environment.
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Um, you can't separate those things, and I am gonna separate them.
And if people don't like it, I don't care because there's a brutality to facts.
Facts are brutal, facts are specific, and if you look at a list of what Charlie Kirk advocated for over his life, it's pretty brutal, and nobody should be part of violence.
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If you think about his family, it's absolutely egregious.
It, they're, I don't even have the right correct word, traumatic, disastrous, you know, hideous, disgusting, but you have to be careful about being part of an environment that foments dehumanization, disinformation, and hatred across wide sways- Yeah.
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of the US population.
Mm-hmm.
And you're seeing it right now on social media where, for some reason, the far right and Russian bots and foreign disinformation propaganda specialists and groups are pushing that the Democrats are evil, um, and that there needs to be a war while decrying violence at the same time.
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This is one of the most dangerous moments in the United States I can see because we have sort of this mouth-breathing, breathing propaganda that's baselining things that shouldn't be baselined.
.0000000000582For instance, you can't go out and say, "We decry political violence, but the Democrats are evil, and they're the ones who did this." 75 00:08:35,190.0000000000582 --> 00:08:36,210.0000000000582 That's ludicrous. 76 00:08:36,210.0000000000582 --> 00:08:47,730 Not only is it ludicrous, it borders on the dehumanization and propaganda lines of so many evil people in the past, and that's, I think there has to be some bravery and courage.
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I'm not quite sure why
If people don't have something nice to say, don't say it, Amy, but I'm not quite sure, and I, and why, uh, Democrats would go out or other people while they're being totally obliterated as evil and globalists and Satanists, right?
As if they're going out and saying that Charlie Kirk was a positive force towards any type of political rhetoric.
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.99999999988358That's simply false.
So, don't cede the ground to facts.
You can be compassionate- Mm-hmm.
You can do all these things, but never cede the ground to facts 'cause there's a brutality to it, and if you do, you start going down that same slope, and I think that's what worries me on both sides of this equation.
Well, what worries me is, and I know there's, there's right-wing influencers and Russian bots and propagandists doing these heinous things right now and trying to put, put gas on the flames.
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What worries me, Denver, is when our elected leaders do that because they- Just happened.
in my opinion have a responsibility to condemn all political violence, uh, eh, you know, as, as, uh, hurtful to Americans and hurtful to our democracy.
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Right now, law enforcement has not found, to, to, to this taping, law enforcement has not found the person who did this.
No.
It's easy to jump ahead with assumptions about this person's politics or motives, but the, the matter, the fact of the matter is we don't know.
And the fact that we have members of Congress, and sadly, the president of the United States making, in my mind, very irresponsible statements about who caused this.
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Somehow saying that Democrats caused this.
It's, it's irresponsible and it feeds into that culture of violence.
It comes back to a word that I keep coming back to over and over again right now, which is decency.
Decency.
Let's have the basic decency to say enough is enough.
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This is wrong.
It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on.
It's wrong, and you, you, you cannot be irresponsibly blaming this on the other side and then dehumanizing the other side by saying they're evil when we don't, we don't have a clue right now.
What if it was a Democrat or somebody on the far left who did it?
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It's still
It, you, you can't have a tit-for-tat numbers game where
Well, uh, uh, Luigi Mangione killed, you know, uh, CEO of United Healthcare.
Well, there was a fire set to Josh Shapiro, he was a Democrat.
Well, there was 2 Democrats killed by a far right MAGA.
Well, now we have Donald Trump had an assassination attempt.
By the way, that was an accelerationist.
That was not any far left ridiculousness.
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Um, and then, you know, you have all these things happening where it's this tit-for-tat that it's somebody else, right?
But what Trump did last night on his speech was dehumanize- So bad.
people based on no proof, and he's fomenting dehumanization, which can lead to violence.
The very thing he was saying we shouldn't do, he was doing.
It was gaslighting.
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It shows his lack of a soul, which shows that he has real issues mentally.
This is a man, right, that's doing things that are
It's creating this environment and then going out and saying it's only one side that he wants to blame because they are really hemorrhaging right now, and the only way they think they can get into the 2026 midterms, and it's always about the midterms, is to play on this and use Charlie Kirk as a martyr, and it's horrific what happened to him but it's horrific how they're using this.
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It's horrific what's going on with far right influencers.
It's horrific what's going on with Fox News.
And it's horrific with people who don't see this as a politically motivated assassination.
The other thing that I've had an issue with is when I point out there, I used the word assassination, had people in the far left saying, "We don't know if this is political," and my mind almost exploded.
And I'm, I'm to a point that I'm almost thinking that the fringes are much bigger than we ever thought.
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.0000000001164We thought it was a 10 and 10. 122 00:13:01,680.0000000001164 --> 00:13:03,380 I think it's 30 and 30.
I think they're not fringe anymore.
I think, I think hate, I think dehumanization has become normalized in our political system, and I think it's gonna get worse before it gets worse.
And especially in the midterms, and I'm really worried going into '28.
I am absolutely concerned on a level I've never been concerned before that as we go into '26, into '28 in the midterms and going into the presidential election in '28, we're gonna see things we didn't think were possible in the United States of America.
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And it's based on this leadership in this country, um, and that is what is happening, and there is a brutality to this.
And if people aren't paying attention and they're afraid to put words to it in a way that's respectful- Mm-hmm.
.00000000011642but there's another time where you have to get confrontational, and, and I think that's where we're at. 130 00:13:47,180.00000000011642 --> 00:13:48,752 We can't have political violence.
But you can't say we can't have political violence while fomenting dehumanization that leads to political violence.
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There wasn't the same outrage from our leader, you know, our, our president and
On the murder, which was politically motivated.
Yes.
.00000000011642Murder of the state legislator in Minnesota and her husband, the attempted murder of the other state legislator in, in Minnesota and his wife.
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They were targets of political violence, and- Specifically.
.99999999988358our president said nothing.
You know?
He, he
It, it
.9999999998836You're, you're taking the flag down to half-mast today for Charlie Kirk. 142 00:14:26,819.9999999998836 --> 00:14:29,280 You're not taking it down for the victims of 9/11.
You didn't- Unbelievable.
take it down for the, for the, you know, uh, victims of the, of the politically motivated murder in Minnesota.
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Uh, I, I just
.9999999998836It, it's an irresponsibility of, of, uh, uh, of leaders. 147 00:14:43,339.9999999998836 --> 00:14:48,79.99999999988358 It's one thing when, you know, far right influencers do it or far left. 148 00:14:48,79.99999999988358 --> 00:14:51,120 As y- you point out, you know, that there's fringes out there.
It's another thing when leaders who are supposed to be leaders, they're supposed to be calm, they're supposed to be the leaders of our country are completely irresponsible.
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And the second point I'd like to make is that historically some of these, um, murderers have these political violent acts.
The people that do them, they're not always
You cannot always put them in a box, meaning you cannot always say, "Well, they're far left or they're far right."
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They have many times confusing ideologies, and many times they're motivated- Yeah.
for reasons that don't match our partisan divides, and the thing about that is if, if
And those of you who are listening, I really learned a lot when I interviewed, uh, Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware, who are experts in, uh, domestic terrorism.
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We interviewed them on this show, Truth in the Barrel, on The Devil's Cut, just a, just a month or so ago.
.9999999998836And go back and listen to that because what they taught me was a lot of these things you can't put into a box. 158 00:15:59,579.9999999998836 --> 00:16:03,980 A lot of the, the, the people that perpetrate these, um, they're sort of all over the map.
Many of them.
.9999999998836Not all of them, but many of them. 161 00:16:06,319.9999999998836 --> 00:16:09,924 More than you think.Well- Um, and I just think that's super important.
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It is super important, and I think people should go listen to that.
And also, right now, if you look at it, what, what do they th- they've only found a footprint and a bolt-action rifle, um, that was discarded.
.0000000001164Mm-hmm.
Which is
.0000000001164Listen, for a criminal to do that and not to keep the weapon, um, my guess is the weapon is somehow modified where you don't know exactly where it came from, um, if they found it. 167 00:16:31,324.0000000001164 --> 00:16:36,824.0000000001164 I wonder what has happened to that rifle if the serial numbers are available, um, what they've done to it. 168 00:16:36,824.0000000001164 --> 00:16:38,244 But there is no suspect.
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And your, your point is so dead-on, is that until you know the facts of something, it's very important as a leader to ensure that you're giving just the facts of what's happening to that point, and not to point fingers.
But even if it is somebody from the other side of the aisle, like Melissa Hortman, who was killed by a freak show wearing a mask, deliberately because she was a Democrat and he was a Christian nationalist MAGA, there's a brutality to facts. 171 00:17:06,244.00000000011642 --> 00:17:18,3.9999999998835847 Um, you know, for me, I mean, we're to a point right now since we don't know who this individual is, you can't go out there and scream that it's the left, or even if it's somebody from the left, you can't do that either. 172 00:17:18,3.9999999998835847 --> 00:17:19,543.9999999998836 You're still fomenting violence. 173 00:17:19,543.9999999998836 --> 00:17:20,404 I'm
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It is such a lack of leadership, but it also means that we have an administration that can only flame-throw. 175 00:17:25,503.9999999998836 --> 00:17:26,464 And I think it goes back to- Yeah.
the desperation starting from the Epstein files.
I think they're seeing this as an opportunity.
You should see what's going on here in Virginia, Amy, with the Republicans.
I, uh, even people that I've known, uh, that were moderate Republicans
And this is the fear, right, Amy?
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They're saying online, "The Democrats want to kill us."
I
Are you
It's insane.
It literally is insane.
I think a lot of this has to do with their belief that this is a spiritual war.
.9999999997672Mm-hmm. 188 00:17:54,543.9999999997672 --> 00:18:00,264.00000000023283 And that it could become a kinetic war because of that, and I just can't believe that there's people that are saying that. 189 00:18:00,264.00000000023283 --> 00:18:02,096 It's hard for me to get my arms around 190 00:18:03,744.0000000002328 --> 00:18:07,952 Well, the point is that political violence is never, ever, ever acceptable.
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Ever.
And you have to call it out.
You have to call it out if it's perpetrated by people with views- Mm-hmm.
.9999999997672that, um, don't align- Aligned or don't align. 195 00:18:16,822.9999999997672 --> 00:18:17,864 with your own.
Or/and you have to call it out with, when it's perpetrated by people with views that do align with your own.
It is unacceptable.
.00000000023283Um- It is. 199 00:18:26,244.00000000023283 --> 00:18:41,063 I, I worry that, that this is gonna get worse before it gets better, but I think you and I, uh, and, and everybody listening, we have a responsibility if, uh, uh, we care about this country to make sure that we say it is unacceptable.
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Okay?
I agree.
It's unacceptable.
All right.
.9999999997672So a lot of other news happened this week that we need to talk about though, um, because it's really important. 205 00:18:48,583.9999999997672 --> 00:18:49,634 There was a
.00000000023283an attack on Poland by Russia and Russian drones. 207 00:18:55,244.00000000023283 --> 00:18:56,844 I, I, I sort of
I'm afraid to use the word attack, but Russian dr- drones did go into Polish airspace and into Poland.
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.9999999997672So, uh, Denver, what is going on here? 210 00:19:06,563.9999999997672 --> 00:19:07,632 They're tickling the network. 211 00:19:08,543.9999999997672 --> 00:19:12,324 What they're looking at is how air defense systems will react to when they penetrate airspace.
So if you look at Rzeszow, if you look around, why they closed down the Rzeszow Airport, I've flown in, there, multiple times now, um, there's Patriot batteries that surround Rzeszow, right?
So you're looking at Poland as a NATO country has access to armaments, right?
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And they have a hell of an army.
.9999999997672So what you're looking at, when you're looking at an incursion and you say, "Look, you're looking at double-digit number of drones, uh, going significantly over the border," uh, what they're looking at is how fast that air defense reaction system is. 216 00:19:38,583.9999999997672 --> 00:19:39,973 It's an intelligence-gathering- Mm-hmm.
mission.
Um, and I, and I have to tell you, um, I had an attorney contact me.
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I'd given a speech on Ukraine about, oh God, Amy, 6, 7 months ago, after my first trip to Ukraine, and I said, "Poland's next, and you gotta watch out for the Baltics."
And I remember leaving, and there was about 50 to 70 people there like, "Denver, there's no way.
.0000000002328There's no way that Russia's even gonna, uh, do anything about Poland. 222 00:20:05,764.0000000002328 --> 00:20:07,624 They would be so afraid of Article 5."
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I said, "Okay."
I said, "Like we're supporting them now?"
.9999999997672I said, "Guys, I'm telling you right now, sociopaths only feel pain."
.9999999997672That's it. 227 00:20:14,563.9999999997672 --> 00:20:14,744.0000000002328 That 228 00:20:14,744.0000000002328 --> 00:20:15,664 They only feel pain.
And when you have such a weak administration right now after the Alaska debacle, uh, Putin's feeling pretty emboldened right now, but he's also desperate.
.9999999997672There's 2 things happening. 231 00:20:24,583.9999999997672 --> 00:20:26,313 He's desperate and emboldened.
That's why you see him hitting Kyiv so much.
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But this Poland incursion was simply intelligence gathering to tickle the network, dependent on how they can get through to Ukraine.
They see America is on fire.
We're in chaos.
We have no specific foreign policy experience to deal with this.
We have people like Lutnick and things like that, that are trying to navigate this insanity.
That's what's happening.
That's it.
That's what happened, and we should be absolutely
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This is the most important story of the week, is what's happening there.
Yeah.
F- for all the people that, that said that, "Oh, Russia would never have attacked Ukraine if Donald Trump was in office."
Uh, you have to, you have to take a step back and recognize that Russia just, you know
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M- maybe it wasn't an attack, but it's certainly a probe in, on a NATO country w- using, um, armed drones that we have ne- uh
An offensive deployment of drones into Poland.
It, th- that hasn't happened in 70 years.
Yup.
And so, you know, that happened under this current administration, and there's probably not gonna be any pushback from our current administration.
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I mean, that should be shocking to people.
Um, and also a lot of what's come up, at least, uh, on my, my side, is people asking me about, "Well, how come?
Th- they should be shooting these things down."
And I think what ma- many people maybe n- not fully understand is there's a lot of drones, they're very cheap, they fly fairly low, um, and when you launch an F-35, which is what I understand Poland did, you know, a bunch of F-35s, they're very expensive fighter jets, they
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You're sh- shooting down potentially a $5,000 drone, right, maybe?
Mm-hmm.
A $5,000 drone with an AIM-9X, which is what the F-35s carry.
I know.
I was thinking about that the other day.
AIM-9Xs
W- what is an AIM-9X?
It's a, it's a, it stands for air intercept missile- It's a heat-seeking missile, Amy.
9.
Yeah.
And it's a heat-seeking missile.
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It's very expensive.
It costs a couple million dollars, at least a million dollars, maybe, probably t- closer to $2 million per missile.
So, you're shooting down a $5,000 drone with a $2 million missile.
And they're not really optimized to shoot down drones.
I mean, fighter jets are, are optimized to shoot down other fighter jets.
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Yeah.
Um, and so, you know, we're, we're, we're in a new world, uh, and your, your analysis of, "Hey, the Russians are probing here," is very scary.
Yeah.
I'd
You know, I, I, I find it interesting, you know, drone warfare has been advanced by the Ukrainians, where they're, they shoot down drones with drones, right?
I mean, if you're looking at
Or, or they go after s- frontline units with things like the Baba Yaga drone, also called the vampire drones.
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The thing about FPVs, right, um, first-person view drones, is that they can be built rather cheaply, as you said, um, but there's the Shaheds, right?
My guess is, going that deep into Poland, you're looking at Shaheds, which were originally- No, those are Iranian, right?
Yup, they were originally sourced from Iran.
Um, I was looking at some of the, uh, Shaheds that were shot down and captured, um, and they actually had French and Chinese wiring.
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So, what you're seeing now are the Russians are actually
And even FPV drones, they're, they're personally building them, um, on
.99999999976717Close to frontline areas in Russia close to the Ukrainian border and just shipping 'em over. 284 00:23:52,139.99999999976717 --> 00:23:56,660 So, some are cobbling them together, but they're making millions of these, right?
So, you have these massive warehouses that are continually making FPV drones, and they're cheaper and cheaper, right?
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They're getting better and better at doing this.
Um, so it's not just
A lot of people are like, "Oh, these are a bunch of Chinese DGI drones."
.0000000002328No, they're cobbling together different types, or they're building their own components now. 290 00:24:11,860.0000000002328 --> 00:24:13,300 Um, so it's really interesting, right?
A Ukraine drone is more expensive to build if you cobble it together instead of going out en masse b- buying those, you know, say, from the Chinese or other areas.
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On the other hand, though, they have the parts there where they can build them in Ukraine.
So, it's really interesting dynamic.
Four million drones, I think, Ukraine built last year.
I think double that for Russia.
It's somewhere in there.
Might be that this year.
But that's what we're going through, Amy, is that we have a new type of warfare here.
And, and if we're gonna use F-35s to shoot down drones, we'd lose f- that material battle pretty fast.
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Um, so we better get better at drone warfare like the Ukrainians and learn from them, because right now, we are not as capable.
And also, you know, I, I, I criticize the current administration quite a bit, um, particularly on foreign policy.
People that know me know that.
Um, the criticism is really real.
I mean, we are right now pulling out of exercises and support for our Eastern European allies.
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The United States- That's a great point.
.99999999976717is pulling out. 307 00:25:14,139.99999999976717 --> 00:25:28,080 Our Department of Defense, now called the Department of War, whatever, is now pulling out of, of these very important not only shows of force, but training to be a deterrent to Putin.
We're, we're sort of
We've taken our eye off the ball here.
We've have a Secretary of Defense that's more concerned about, you know, the placard on s- outside of his office and what it says in the Pentagon than he is about, you know, th- these types of things going on in Europe right now.
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We, we rolled out the red carpet.
We had our, our military roll out the red carpet for f- for Vladimir Putin, and now w- he's probing into NATO.
I mean, uh, I just
This needs to be front
page news.
.00000000023283Right, every second. 317 00:26:05,148.00000000023283 --> 00:26:08,144 I mean, what happened was such an, an abysmal failure.
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.0000000002328Um, but what we're gonna have, right, is this downstream domestic issue, um, that's going to dominate the headlines because the far right will force it that way, and I think a lot of mainstream outlets are gonna fall into that. 319 00:26:22,648.0000000002328 --> 00:26:43,288 Right now, the Ukraine-Poland thing, you're right, Eastern European aid being withdrawn, uh, as far as financial aid and material, and obviously the other things that are happening which I know you wanna get to, you know, internationally, as far as bombings that have been absolutely brutal and here we are, right, screaming performatively in some hate, dehumanizing way about the others.
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It's just, it's incredible to me how we have failed as a country over these last 8 to 9 months.
We're not being led by strong people right now.
Um- No, they believe in interdimensional beings.
The
Yeah.
The, um
Israel attacked Hamas militants in Doha, uh, just a few days ago and that country, Qatar, is the home to the United States' largest military-
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base in the region.
It's one of the most impa- important allies in the Middle East.
Israel did this attack using fighter jets, um, and, and I think what's significant that, that I need to remind people about is that Hamas i- is, is terrible.
There's no doubt.
They were sending a negotiating team, uh, to Doha.
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Mm-hmm.
And, um, this was part of, of what Donald Trump wanted.
He said that, you know, he, he had, he had tried to arrange for a negotiating team so he could try to mediate, which g- good on ya.
I mean, we, we, we need th- we need an end to this, to this war.
But it's a pattern, right?
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I mean, th- he did, he did this, uh, th- the Israelis did this just a few months ago when it came to Iran.
Donald Trump, uh, tried to set up an Ira- a, a negotiating meeting and Israel just gives Donald Trump the big middle finger.
They did.
And, and, and strikes the negotiating team from Iran, and now they strike the negotiating team in Doha and then tell the United States afterwards.
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I mean, that to me, just the poli- the geopolitics of that shows how weak our president really is.
Yeah, I mean, you know, we talk about the Epstein files distractions.
This is the BB indictment distractions.
And the fact that he would bomb a country that houses a United States military base, Amy, and we're sitting here just sort of, "Eh, okay."
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Gr- uh, that's awful.
I'd, I, I've never
It's hard to define the weakness of this administration to
.9999999997672If, if we go back 30 years, nobody could have in any way predicted that we wouldn't have pushed Russia out of Ukraine, that we would allow Poland to be actually probed by drones, by tickling the networks to, for an intelligence operation plan, what they're building. 349 00:29:20,947.9999999997672 --> 00:29:24,048 Uh, we would never think, right, that we would allow Doha to be
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I was just in Doha 4 months ago, by the way- Mm.
coming back from the UAE.
Right?
So I, I'm just, I'm, my, I, I, I, I don't know how to actually get my arms around this, but it comes back to lack of talent and sycophancy.
It comes back to a conspiratorial mindset and fantasy creating policy.
And Amy, they're not making any decision based on facts on the ground or data.
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They're making decisions based on bizarre belief systems.
.99999999976717And the cascading effect of stupid is terminal.
It's terminal.
.00000000023283And I, and I, and I, and I told people when this started, I thought it would take a couple years, Amy. 360 00:30:00,168.00000000023283 --> 00:30:04,088 I, I, I, honestly, uh, it's, it's, we're only in September.
And what is
It's hard for, I, I know for you, Amy, as somebody who thinks logically, had an incredible military career, teaches, have done things other people can't imagine, has gone through the political system, and I know I, I have this background myself, and when you look at it, there's no way you can get your arms around what's happening internationally right now with us sort of sitting on our hands.
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And there's still hostages in Gaza, um- They said they're not gonna be released now because of the bombing in Doha.
Did you see that?
Uh- You know, Netanyahu thinks
I, I think he thinks that there's gonna be a military end to this war, um, and you don't need to negotiate.
I mean, obviously if you're bombing the negotiating team, you don't want to negotiate .
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Um- It's an indicator.
I just
Yeah.
It's- There's just 2 Oh.
two million Palestinian civilians with, you know, no leader, and who do you negotiate with if you keep killing them all?
I mean, I just- It's a great question, Amy.
I feel like we, we gotta
Have sanity back in the office, maybe have a
Maybe actually have an American Congress that looks at what's happening at the top of their party and say, "This is insane," instead of jumping on here and saying, "We should all celebrate Jesus" like Charlie.
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Uh, what is happening?
We
Uh, uh, political violence is what's happening, but we're also
We're ignoring
If we can't walk and chew gum at the same time internationally, we're in deep, deep trouble.
Anyway, I know I'm beating this horse.
Well, I mean, look.
Israel attacks Doha, the Russians violate Poland's airspace, but, you know, don't worry, it's okay because we have a Department of War.
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Ugh.
We've renamed it.
We've sent Pete Hegseth out to an aircraft carrier-
to put the, put the helmet on and look cool and talk about how important it is.
Um, I mean, I just
I, I'm, I'm
Speechless.
We've gone from the DOD to the DOH.
DOH.
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DOH.
We're at the DOH.
It's just incredible.
I feel like it's the Homer Simpson DOD now.
Well.
Um, it's just incredible.
Gosh.
Well- Okay.
Let's get to some quick shots, all right?
'Cause there's a, there's a lot- Okay.
more going on, and there is actually some fun stuff coming u- coming up that I'm really excited about.
I've, I've heard.
I've heard.
But there's a, there's a Supreme Court ruling, um, this past week, and it had to do with racial profiling- Oh.
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.00000000023283for, uh, ICE, for the immigration stuff that's going on, these raids that are going on. 409 00:32:44,360.00000000023283 --> 00:32:59,130 And basically, what happened was the Supreme Court lifted a hold that was put in place by a lower court judge that stopped ICE, okay, from stopping and searching people on what appeared to be only their race.
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.00000000023283The Supreme Court- Which was. 411 00:33:00,360.00000000023283 --> 00:33:06,880 The Supreme Court said that's A-okay, and I, I just wanted to know what your thoughts are on that.
.9999999997672I mean, uh, to me, I'm kind of like, oh. 413 00:33:09,639.9999999997672 --> 00:33:18,540 Well, so it's okay to racially profile on immigration, but certainly not in higher ed, uh, now from the Supreme Court.
Like, where are we at here?
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I don't know if it's that subtle of a ruling, Amy.
I, 417 00:33:27,639.9999999997672 --> 00:33:28,400 I've, uh
I'm having a tough time with, how do you paint something that's so unsubtle that, yeah, it's okay.
You know what?
They look Brown.
Mm-hmm.
And now, and now
Listen.
When it comes to law enforcement, you know, profiling is something that you have to do at certain times.
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It's just the way it is, right?
Um, I mean, if you're in an all Black urban area, that criminal is most likely gonna be Black, right?
If you're in an all white rural area and there's pedophilia happening, that's gonna loo-
That's gonna be a white male.
.99999999976717So, you know. 430 00:34:02,139.99999999976717 --> 00:34:02,980 So, there
You know, that's just the way
That's just
This is
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.0000000002328However, when it comes to the melting pot of America, you know, you're not just gonna go up to a Black person just 'cause you think they, they did a crime here or to a white person 'cause they were in a rural area here and there was a crime committed. 435 00:34:17,720.0000000002328 --> 00:34:28,279.99999999976717 You're not just gonna check their computer 'cause they're white and there's porn on there, child porn, or you're not gonna just go to a Black person and check their computer because there's been robberies or, or check- Mm-hmm. 436 00:34:28,279.99999999976717 --> 00:34:29,260.00000000023283 their house. 437 00:34:29,260.00000000023283 --> 00:34:30,63.99999999976717 It's insane. 438 00:34:30,800.0000000002328 --> 00:34:47,060 Um, and so what you're seeing right now is you're seeing an absolute sort of capitulation to ICE and DHS through the Supreme Court, because I just can't believe that you're, you're gonna stop somebody who's possibly a US citizen just because of the way they look to deport them.
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.00000000023283The
.99999999976717You, you do get to a point where you cross the Rubicon and you wonder what's happening. 441 00:34:53,239.99999999976717 --> 00:34:54,699.9999999997672 We know what's happening to our country. 442 00:34:54,699.9999999997672 --> 00:34:57,240 I'm gonna stop saying, "I wonder what's happening to our country."
Right?
I do wanna get to some good, fun things, um, because we're- Got it.
We have, we have to talk about 9/11.
That was so important for, for our lives and for America.
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Um, but before we do, there, there are some fun things that happened this past week, and there are a couple really cool stories, uh, and that I'd love to give cheers to.
first of all, there's a special election in Virginia 11, which- Mm-hmm.
is near you.
Um, and- Very near me.
I think voters are fed up a little bit with what's going on right now, uh, in our country, and they, uh, elected a Democrat in a, uh, pretty red area.
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Uh, James Walkinshaw, I think won- Yeah.
in Virginia 11.
Um- He did.
Do you, do you know those- Handily.
th- that area?
Good.
Uh, yeah.
I mean, I know the area very well.
Um, but yeah.
That, th- he was gonna win that.
It was, uh
I think he was
Oh, goodness, the guy's name just escaped me.
.0000000004657Um, is it Spencer? 466 00:35:52,720.0000000004657 --> 00:35:57,820 Um, the Republican running against him, um, not an awful person at all, the Republican, to be honest.
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A very moderate guy.
Um, but there was no way a Republican was gonna win that district.
So- Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So it was a, it was Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I think that was Gerry Connolly's old district.Oh, very good.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So, that's, that's what happened there.
Well, that's good.
All right.
So, also in New Mexico, uh
New Mexico is now the first state to make chi- childcare free.
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Starting in November, the state will have childcare, uh, reimbursements, or offer childcare to, uh, families, every family in the state.
I just think that's worthy of a cheer.
I'm, I'm somebody who- It is.
is a big proponent of, of, uh, childcare being affordable, so cheers- It is.
to New Mexico, okay?
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And then finally, and this is, this is my favorite one.
.9999999995343Uh, in Kentucky, here in my state, there is a nurse in Eastern Kentucky who gave CPR to a raccoon, um, and the story is pretty amazing. 490 00:36:58,663.9999999995343 --> 00:36:58,934 The
And this, I think just shows you how wonderful healthcare providers are, uh, in my state and in our country.
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This woman, her name is Misty Combs, she lives in Whitesburg, which is in Eastern Kentucky, it's in Letcher County, and she found these raccoons, um, in a dumpster and th-
A couple of them ran away apparently, but one was stuck in the bottom of a dumpster, drunk, and it was drunk on moonshine.
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And she saw it and said, "I-
It's probably gonna die."
She pulled it out by its tail, it was soaking wet, and she could smell, you know, the alcohol, and she performed CPR, stomach compressions, on this raccoon, and it ca-
You know, she saved it.
And the, the, the piece in there that I think is funny for this show a little bit is that, um, it was a dis-
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It was outside of a distillery that was making, um, infused peach moonshine.
And so the raccoons were, you know, eating the-
I guess fermented peaches and, uh- Oh.
and that's how they got into this, shall we call it predicament.
Um, but this, this nurse, um, Ms. Combs, and her colleagues, uh, named
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They, they brought the raccoon, they, they ga-
Brought it to a veterinarian and everything, uh, put it in a cage, and then I guess after it was finally, uh, all better, they released it back into the wild.
And, uh- Aw.
they called it, they called it
They named the raccoon Otis Campbell based on the fictional town drunk in the 1960s program, um, Andy Griffith.
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Andy Griffith.
Andy Griffith Show.
.9999999995343I, I'm with you. 512 00:38:46,703.9999999995343 --> 00:38:48,432 I thought they were gonna name him Pete Hegseth.
Here I am trying to be serious and you bring that in.
Anyway-
chee- cheers to the nurses though, um, to her.
I just think it's a, an amazing story.
I'm, I'm somebody that loves animals and I just think that's fantastic, so cheers.
I wanna just tell everybody here, what a hero, and there is no way on earth I'm going to actually give mouth-to-mouth to a raccoon.
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It wasn't mouth-to-mouth.
It was CPR.
Okay.
I would just like to say, and say for the record, I
There's no way on earth I would give CPR to a raccoon.
And here's the other thing that really bothers me.
Maybe the cr- raccoon just didn't wanna go on.
Maybe the raccoon was like, "I, I'm done," right?
"I wanna drink myself to death.
I'm 21 years old.
I've had 732 babies."
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"Uh, I'm ready to go," right?
And so, I think maybe, maybe we gotta look at for the
I don't even know what I'm saying right now.
I, I don't even wanna keep going with this 'cause it's gonna get more ridiculous, so I apologize to everybody.
But, you know, we gotta worry about how raccoons think too, you know?
Well, I just
It, it's my favorite story of the week, I have to say.
There's a lot, there's a lot of bad things going on.
This was, this was fun that made me laugh and everybody should know about it.
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.99999999953434No. 540 00:39:57,203.99999999953434 --> 00:39:57,604.0000000004657 I was gonna 541 00:39:57,604.0000000004657 --> 00:40:00,766 I'm gonna say something that Doug is gonna cut, and I think
Yes.
Today, Denver, is the anniversary of 9/11.
Yes.
And, um, I'd, I'd like to ask you where you were on 9/11.
.9999999995343Um, what, what, um 547 00:40:14,703.9999999995343 --> 00:40:16,240 Where were you at that, that morning?
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Mountain Home Air Force Base, uh, 4458B Vance Drive was my house on Mountain Home, and it was Mountain Time.
So literally was putting my uniform on when the first plane hit the towers.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, where were you, Amy?
Um, I was
Actually, I was in San Diego, California.
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I was stationed in Miramar, Marine Corps Air Station.
Uh, 3hour time difference in California.
Uh, planes hit the towers at about 6:00 in the morning, or 6:30 in the morning, California time.
And so I was, um, st- still in my apartment and, uh, was
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I got a call from my sister who said, "Watch the news.
Turn on the news."
And I was, like, still groggy.
I'm like, "What?
What?"
You know?
I turn the news on and, uh, right as the second plane is hitting- Oh.
the second tower.
Yes.
And- and then I get another call from the operations officer in my fighter squadron.
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I was
I had literally just checked into my fighter squadron.
I was only there for- And our stories are similar.
maybe 3 or 4 months, very junior, okay?
And, uh, but I was in an operational squadron, and that means that I'm no longer in training.
I'm in a squadron that, you know, is ready to go.
And so the operations officers called everybody, said, "Get in here."
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I lived Denver very close to the, um, base, okay?
And so I was one of the first, uh, members of my squadron, of my fighter squadron to get onto base that morning.
There was a lot of confusion on the base and they shut the gates down.
Us too.
Mm-hmm.
So a lot of the pilots who were more senior to me, aviators, um, and weapons officers who were more senior to me, could not get onto the base because the gates were shut.
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I- I
Being living close, I was one of the first ones on, so I was already on the base.
And I remember being in the ready room and they needed- they needed, uh, air crew immediately to go over to the KALA.
KALA is the combined arms loading area, it's on- Mm-hmm.
the other side of the airfield.
It's where you put live ammunition and ordinan- live ordinance onboard the aircraft.
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You do it on the other side, away from people if- if there's anything that goes wrong.
And my operations officer said, "We need you to go to the KALA immediately.
We need air crews out there.
We have, um"
Wow.
Mm-hmm.
"You- you need to hop in and defend Southern California."
And I'm, like, a very junior aviator, and that I'm sure the operations officer and the commanding officer were looking around trying to find somebody other than me.
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Um, because- Gosh.
I was so junior.
And they've, they've, uh, erased the names on the whiteboard that were the se- more senior because they weren't there and they put my name up there, and I suited up, I went over to the KALA on the other side, and I wi- I remember clearly walking to the jet that was over there.
(43:25):
They had towed the jets over there already and had already loaded up AIM-9s, Sidewinders.
Uh
Unbelievable.
AIM-120s.
It's incredible.
And I walked to that jet with live missiles loaded up, and, um, boy, my heart just, you know
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And I
We were being briefed on the way.
On the way to the jet in the Jeep.
Like, "This is your
Your mission is to defend Los Angeles.
You're gonna, you know, defend Los Angeles and- and San Diego and Southern California, and if there is an airliner or any- anything coming in that is a threat, we're going to launch you, and you're going to intercept it and do what's necessary."
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.99999999953434And boy, I- I- I gotta tell you, I sat in that jet for 3 hours that morning with one engine on and one engine off- Yep. 611 00:44:26,279.99999999953434 --> 00:44:28,060 to ser- to save fuel, you know.
You could kick the other engine back on any moment and run down that runway.
And, uh, in my mind, it was just like, "Oh my gosh, what- what's going on and what am I going to have to do-" Uh-huh.
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" if my country asked me to do it?"
Um, and so that was my 9/11.
Yeah.
And I remember being relieved probably about 11:00 AM Pacific Time. 618 00:44:53,720.0000000004657 --> 00:45:08,350 So, uh, relieved meaning somebody else came in to- to hop in the jet and take over, because it was so just emotional, psychological- psychologically emotional sitting in that jet.
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It- it- it was.
Yeah, I- I- I remember the first one hit, the second one hit, my wife yelled.
The first one, my first actual quote when I saw the first jet, when I came out and saw the replay, I came downstairs.
So it was about 6:30 Mountain Time, AM local, and I said, "That's not a small plane," you know.
And being Air Force, right, and- and doing mission planning and having to learn F-15s, F-16s, B-1s, right?
(45:32):
15Es and Cs and things like that.
I- I looked at my wife, I said, "There's no way a small
That's not a small plane.
How would a large plane impact that building?"
You know, I was 31, 30, you know, 31.
Yeah.
And so I said, "Well, that's"
I said, "I don't know if that's a mistake.
That's really interesting."
My phone had not rung.
When the second plane hit, my Director of Operations, Bull Valley, um, my phone rings and I, my wife yells, I come back into the room 'cause I was just about to go to the squadron building, which was literally a half mile away, as you know, I was
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We lived on base.And Bull Valley goes, "Chunk, get your effing ass in here."
Right?
So I roll in there and it's chaos, because Amy, we were the air expeditionary wing.
We were on a 90-day, 24-hour call, immediate notice- Mm-hmm.
for any worldwide conflagration.
Us and Seymour Johnson would go back and forth on 90-day rotations.
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And obviously, we had a air ex- expeditionary wing.
We had F-15Es and Cs, F-16CJs, B-1s, and KC-135s.
So, you know, so I'm like, "Oh my goodness."
So they're like, "Denver, what happened?
Go find out."
And you know how much was on the intelligence channels on 9/11, Amy?
Nothing.
Hm.
Right?
Yeah.
.99999999953434So, like, you need to brief the air crews. 652 00:46:45,163.99999999953434 --> 00:46:48,383 So I run in there, I'm like, "Hey, I took everything unclassified I had.
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.9999999995343I thought I did okay. 654 00:46:49,663.9999999995343 --> 00:46:51,123 I'm pretty good at it."
Um, but the commander came after me, he goes, "If you don't find out more stuff, we, we gotta know now, because we're already, we're gonna get the call."
I said, "Got it."
He goes, "But Denver, I know"
Now our base was shut down, like yours.
We only had half the air crew.
Yeah.
We didn't have any, w- right?
And our maintainers weren't on base, and our supply guys aren't, weren't on base, right?
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Um, and we're like, "What is happening?"
He goes, "Denver, man," and he goes, "I know you're the intelligence officer.
Will you go look at the CONEXES to make sure they're squared away?"
I said, "To pack them?"
He goes, "Yeah."
So I went up and I cut off the bands, you know what I'm talking about.
Mm-hmm.
Opened all the CONEXES.
They hadn't been used since, like, 1947, it seemed like.
So, you know, so we clean out the CONEXES.
I was packing those CONEXES 6 days later.
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I left on a C-5 on September 21st, 2011 to Diego, um, to start our bombing runs, with the first mission planning bombing run being started on October 6th.
Um, that was one of the most interesting days.
At that time, CNN came onto base and they made me the spokesperson as literally a first lieutenant-
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for intelligence, just like I was in Romania in '99.
And then they did a profile, the local news did a profile on my wife while I was gone, because I was, because my commander's like, "Denver, just go tell them something.
.9999999995343Just don't tell them where we're going. 680 00:48:08,663.9999999995343 --> 00:48:09,144 Don't tell them anything.
Say that we're just responding to what's happening."
So I did that, and in the news, while I was gone, I didn't know this, they would visit my wife every week to see how she was doing.
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They did a profile on my family while I was deployed, uh, for 9/11.
So, um, yeah, it was a life-changing event.
It, it was.
For, for both of us, you know?
I wa- I was deployed a few months later to, um, Manas, uh, the first- Oh, okay.
first, uh, Marine Corps, uh, fighter squadron, first American fighter squadron to ever land in a former Soviet Union republic, and we basically built that, in Kyrgyzstan, built that base back up, and we did missions into Afghanistan, um, from that base.
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And so- But Kyrgyzstan's a lot closer than Diego and Oman.
.9999999995343Yeah, I mean, and that was, that was early on in, in- Yeah. 691 00:49:04,703.9999999995343 --> 00:49:06,193 a few months after 9/11.
And, uh, you know, it was such a different time, but today, you just, you just look back, and, and all of the victims of that tragedy, their families, our hearts go out to them, um, and the first responders who were so courageous in, in, uh, at the Pentagon and also in New York City.
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Um, the am- amazing Americans who, who took over the plane, uh, or tried to take over the plane, um, so that it wouldn't be used as a, as a weapon and went down in, in, in Pennsylvania.
They were, you know, heroes, and our hearts just go out to them.
This is such a, uh, such an important, somber day.
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.00000000046566Uh, it affected so many of us for the rest of our lives and, and our country. 697 00:49:55,104.00000000046566 --> 00:49:57,524 You know, you and I both deployed after that.
.9999999995343It affected our families.
Oh.
Um, but I, I just- Crazy times.
You know, it, it's, um, it's a day where we reflect about our country and about the freedoms that we have, um, and a recommitment to what our country stands for, the values- That's good.
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Uh, and, and w- we owe them, you know, our, our courage, for those of us who are, who are still living and, and, and inheriting this country of ours.
We owe them that courage, in my mind.
I, I, I couldn't put it any better.
I mean, uh, that's wonderful, I mean, uh, the way that you put it.
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I think what's amazing is how we came together as a country, but I feel like this country, every time there is an external- there is not an external threat, I feel like when we don't have that outside threat coming at us, we seem to want to turn on ourselves and look at the other as a internal threat, regardless if it's true or not.
And I think that's what you're seeing now.
Um, it's amazing, right?
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When you look at the strife in the US, I mean, our entire history, it feels like we come together at times when we really need to, but it seems like we're always identifying with one tribe or another internally, and that becomes violent inside if we don't have an outside enemy.
And, and the only way to fix that is through facts and empathy and tolerance.
(51:32):
But I think we're on a track where we're in fantasy intolerance, um, and I would say a lack of empathy, uh, on every level.
And, um, I don't know.
You know?
9/11 was horrific, but there were those few years where the country seemed to bind together, and now it looks like this country's so fragmented, I don't know what brings it back together, so.
(51:57):
Well, I know we can talk about these things, but we're not giving up.
And 9/11 is, is a, is a day where we take a look back and, and remember, but also, we have the resolve to go forward, um, speak the truth, and stand for what is right, um, both you and, and I, and, and folks who are listening out there today.
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So, we're, we're gonna end our show, um, on that, but I just, you know, I, I feel like this is an important day, um, it's an important show.
We're gonna do our best going forward to, to live the values of our country.
We are.
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And, um, that means condemning political violence, um, speaking facts when they're uncomfortable, and I think it also
Coming to this with the topics like we did today, with sobriety and empathy, uh, and I think that's what we're really good at, Amy.
And I'm not trying to brag, but I think we do.
But if people want to get this kind of incredible insight, I think they certainly have to, um, subscribe, they have to make sure that they go onto our YouTube and watch.
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Make sure that you join us for our live programs, which I think are the best.
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So, I hope that everybody subscribes and listens, and Amy, thank you for doing this show with me.
It was fantastic.
You're the greatest.
Thanks for getting this together today.
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Well, thanks for everyone for listening.
We'll see you next time on Truth & Barrel.
Welcome, everyone.
Today we're taking an unfiltered look at the legacy of 9/11 and how the tragic events of that day changed us.
Um, we're also gonna be talking about Russia sending drones into Poland, Republicans in Congress continue to block the release of the Epstein files, Israel attacks Hamas in the Middle East, uh, and in Doha, plus a lot more coming up.
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This is Truth in the Barrel.
. You know, what a week, Amy.
And I- I gotta tell you, if people wanna keep listening to us, they're gonna have to subscribe, right?
You gotta go to YouTube, you gotta go to our social media channels, make sure, right, you go to the new Substack for Truth in the Barrel.
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Uh, but following us on X, following us on- on Truth Social even is what people need to be doing if they want to hear all this.
.99999999999272Because if you look at the topics you just talked about, Amy, it's gonna be an incredible conversation.
Um, I don't even know, you know, with everything that happened, uh, yesterday, with 9/11 today, with what you're seeing in our environment, Amy, I think we're in for a very dangerous, uh, and unique time over the next year going into midterms.
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And I think with all- what you said about our foreign policy issues also, it's hard for me not to think that there hasn't been a more cha- chaotic moment in the US since 9/11, you know?
Yeah.
Well, today is 9/11, the day that we're- Right.
recording this, and it's a very somber day, um, and one that's very personal to both you and me.
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Oh, yeah.
And we're going to get to that.
Um, but before we do, I think it's important to talk about what happened just yesterday in Utah- Yeah.
with the killing, the assassination of, um, a man by the name of Charlie Kirk, who, uh, was a right wing young influencer, um, and sort of
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He was the head and started, founded a group called Turning Point USA, which is a- a right wing, young, sort of collegiate group that pushed, um, a lot of conservative views, and he was, um, shot yesterday- Yeah.
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at a campus in Utah.
.0000000000291So, there's a lot going on there, and I just want to start with that.
Yeah, I mean, both of us have been in a political arena and Amy, I know you've had death threats.
Um, I've certainly had death threats and one attempt, as we've discussed, on me and no, um
And I think it's, um, you have to abhor political violence because that will break down the fabric of our society quicker than every- anything.
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And, you know, I- I can go into TPUSA.
You know, I don't- I don't know if you know this, Amy, um, but you know that, uh, Charlie had a founding partner named Bill Montgomery.
Um, Bill recruited him when he was 18 years old, told Charlie not to go to college, but to start TPUSA.
Bill Montgomery was an older gentleman, um, had been a business consultant, things of that nature, but they wanted to push conservative values and he thought that Charlie would be the one to do it at 18 years old, so literally took him in, um, and groomed him for this position.
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.0000000000291So, what's interesting about Bill Montgomery is, I don't know, Turning Point USA, when you're going back to 2020, uh, Charlie Kirk was per- pretty virulent about the anti-COVID stance that he had.
Mm-hmm.
Um, as was all of TPUSA.
.0000000000291Uh, when you're getting into 2020, as COVID got worse, what I don't think they realize is Bill Montgomery was almost 80 years old.
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Mm-hmm.
So, Bill Montgomery ends up dying of COVID.
Mm-hmm.
TPUSA had to go back and discreetly start scrubbing tweets and things like that when they were talking about not wearing masks with, um, Charlie Kirk pushing bizarre things like hydroxychloroquine.
He was deeply embedded in the conspiracy theories there.
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And I was looking at what happened yesterday, the tragedy of it.
It's interesting that, you know, 2 of the things that really they concentrated on, which was their anti-COVID stance with one of the founders killed there, and another founder who said that, really to summarize, that there had to be some deaths to continue with the second Amendment in the United States.
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It is something, Amy, that the 2 founders of Turning Point USA, um, sadly died on hills that were absolutely dangerous to actually go onto- Mm-hmm.
.0000000000582and I think it's pretty interesting to me, and tragic, how Bill Montgomery died, but also how Charlie Kirk died yesterday.
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It was absolutely tragic.
Um, Denver and I- I didn't know any of that.
Um, I- I didn't- I don't follow him, uh, you know, maybe the way that- that- that some others do.
Um, what struck me about yesterday, and I think we all kind of need to take a step back-
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uh, and just make sure that we are condemning violence against all members of, you know, any political faction in America.
We have to condemn this type of violence, you know, no matter what.
.0000000000582No matter if- if they're, like, wearing a red jersey or a blue jersey.
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It is wrong.
We- we- we should not, um, act like this.
We cannot ha- be a nation that has any leaders that fuel these types, uh, the flames of this.
.0000000000582We are all threatened by this culture of violence against people who we disagree with.
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I- I- I- I'm sure that there's very little that I agreed with this man, Charlie Kirk, on-But I, I, uh, it, it saddens me so much that, that he was killed yesterday.
I mean, we are all humans.
We're all humans.
Yeah, and you know- You know?
the ripple effect, Amy, I, is that what political figure is safe if everybody's on the table, you know, when it comes to violence?
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And that's what, you know, concerns me.
You know, and if me or you to ever enter the arena again, it's something we have to be even more acutely aware of right as we're going forward, um, you know, because you see this, this, this back and forth of politically motivated killings.
Um, it's pretty, it's pretty devastating.
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I have to say this though.
I absolutely abhor political violence.
What happened yesterday can never happen in this country.
The thing that people need to be careful about is that there is no way that I am going to pay tribute to somebody who was part of that environment.
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Um, you can't separate those things, and I am gonna separate them.
And if people don't like it, I don't care because there's a brutality to facts.
Facts are brutal, facts are specific, and if you look at a list of what Charlie Kirk advocated for over his life, it's pretty brutal, and nobody should be part of violence.
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If you think about his family, it's absolutely egregious.
It, they're, I don't even have the right correct word, traumatic, disastrous, you know, hideous, disgusting, but you have to be careful about being part of an environment that foments dehumanization, disinformation, and hatred across wide sways- Yeah.
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of the US population.
Mm-hmm.
And you're seeing it right now on social media where, for some reason, the far right and Russian bots and foreign disinformation propaganda specialists and groups are pushing that the Democrats are evil, um, and that there needs to be a war while decrying violence at the same time.
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This is one of the most dangerous moments in the United States I can see because we have sort of this mouth-breathing, breathing propaganda that's baselining things that shouldn't be baselined.
.0000000000582For instance, you can't go out and say, "We decry political violence, but the Democrats are evil, and they're the ones who did this." 75 00:08:35,190.0000000000582 --> 00:08:36,210.0000000000582 That's ludicrous. 76 00:08:36,210.0000000000582 --> 00:08:47,730 Not only is it ludicrous, it borders on the dehumanization and propaganda lines of so many evil people in the past, and that's, I think there has to be some bravery and courage.
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I'm not quite sure why
If people don't have something nice to say, don't say it, Amy, but I'm not quite sure, and I, and why, uh, Democrats would go out or other people while they're being totally obliterated as evil and globalists and Satanists, right?
As if they're going out and saying that Charlie Kirk was a positive force towards any type of political rhetoric.
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.99999999988358That's simply false.
So, don't cede the ground to facts.
You can be compassionate- Mm-hmm.
You can do all these things, but never cede the ground to facts 'cause there's a brutality to it, and if you do, you start going down that same slope, and I think that's what worries me on both sides of this equation.
Well, what worries me is, and I know there's, there's right-wing influencers and Russian bots and propagandists doing these heinous things right now and trying to put, put gas on the flames.
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What worries me, Denver, is when our elected leaders do that because they- Just happened.
in my opinion have a responsibility to condemn all political violence, uh, eh, you know, as, as, uh, hurtful to Americans and hurtful to our democracy.
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Right now, law enforcement has not found, to, to, to this taping, law enforcement has not found the person who did this.
No.
It's easy to jump ahead with assumptions about this person's politics or motives, but the, the matter, the fact of the matter is we don't know.
And the fact that we have members of Congress, and sadly, the president of the United States making, in my mind, very irresponsible statements about who caused this.
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Somehow saying that Democrats caused this.
It's, it's irresponsible and it feeds into that culture of violence.
It comes back to a word that I keep coming back to over and over again right now, which is decency.
Decency.
Let's have the basic decency to say enough is enough.
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This is wrong.
It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on.
It's wrong, and you, you, you cannot be irresponsibly blaming this on the other side and then dehumanizing the other side by saying they're evil when we don't, we don't have a clue right now.
What if it was a Democrat or somebody on the far left who did it?
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It's still
It, you, you can't have a tit-for-tat numbers game where
Well, uh, uh, Luigi Mangione killed, you know, uh, CEO of United Healthcare.
Well, there was a fire set to Josh Shapiro, he was a Democrat.
Well, there was 2 Democrats killed by a far right MAGA.
Well, now we have Donald Trump had an assassination attempt.
By the way, that was an accelerationist.
That was not any far left ridiculousness.
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Um, and then, you know, you have all these things happening where it's this tit-for-tat that it's somebody else, right?
But what Trump did last night on his speech was dehumanize- So bad.
people based on no proof, and he's fomenting dehumanization, which can lead to violence.
The very thing he was saying we shouldn't do, he was doing.
It was gaslighting.
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It shows his lack of a soul, which shows that he has real issues mentally.
This is a man, right, that's doing things that are
It's creating this environment and then going out and saying it's only one side that he wants to blame because they are really hemorrhaging right now, and the only way they think they can get into the 2026 midterms, and it's always about the midterms, is to play on this and use Charlie Kirk as a martyr, and it's horrific what happened to him but it's horrific how they're using this.
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It's horrific what's going on with far right influencers.
It's horrific what's going on with Fox News.
And it's horrific with people who don't see this as a politically motivated assassination.
The other thing that I've had an issue with is when I point out there, I used the word assassination, had people in the far left saying, "We don't know if this is political," and my mind almost exploded.
And I'm, I'm to a point that I'm almost thinking that the fringes are much bigger than we ever thought.
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.0000000001164We thought it was a 10 and 10. 122 00:13:01,680.0000000001164 --> 00:13:03,380 I think it's 30 and 30.
I think they're not fringe anymore.
I think, I think hate, I think dehumanization has become normalized in our political system, and I think it's gonna get worse before it gets worse.
And especially in the midterms, and I'm really worried going into '28.
I am absolutely concerned on a level I've never been concerned before that as we go into '26, into '28 in the midterms and going into the presidential election in '28, we're gonna see things we didn't think were possible in the United States of America.
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And it's based on this leadership in this country, um, and that is what is happening, and there is a brutality to this.
And if people aren't paying attention and they're afraid to put words to it in a way that's respectful- Mm-hmm.
.00000000011642but there's another time where you have to get confrontational, and, and I think that's where we're at. 130 00:13:47,180.00000000011642 --> 00:13:48,752 We can't have political violence.
But you can't say we can't have political violence while fomenting dehumanization that leads to political violence.
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There wasn't the same outrage from our leader, you know, our, our president and
On the murder, which was politically motivated.
Yes.
.00000000011642Murder of the state legislator in Minnesota and her husband, the attempted murder of the other state legislator in, in Minnesota and his wife.
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They were targets of political violence, and- Specifically.
.99999999988358our president said nothing.
You know?
He, he
It, it
.9999999998836You're, you're taking the flag down to half-mast today for Charlie Kirk. 142 00:14:26,819.9999999998836 --> 00:14:29,280 You're not taking it down for the victims of 9/11.
You didn't- Unbelievable.
take it down for the, for the, you know, uh, victims of the, of the politically motivated murder in Minnesota.
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Uh, I, I just
.9999999998836It, it's an irresponsibility of, of, uh, uh, of leaders. 147 00:14:43,339.9999999998836 --> 00:14:48,79.99999999988358 It's one thing when, you know, far right influencers do it or far left. 148 00:14:48,79.99999999988358 --> 00:14:51,120 As y- you point out, you know, that there's fringes out there.
It's another thing when leaders who are supposed to be leaders, they're supposed to be calm, they're supposed to be the leaders of our country are completely irresponsible.
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And the second point I'd like to make is that historically some of these, um, murderers have these political violent acts.
The people that do them, they're not always
You cannot always put them in a box, meaning you cannot always say, "Well, they're far left or they're far right."
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They have many times confusing ideologies, and many times they're motivated- Yeah.
for reasons that don't match our partisan divides, and the thing about that is if, if
And those of you who are listening, I really learned a lot when I interviewed, uh, Bruce Hoffman and Jacob Ware, who are experts in, uh, domestic terrorism.
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We interviewed them on this show, Truth in the Barrel, on The Devil's Cut, just a, just a month or so ago.
.9999999998836And go back and listen to that because what they taught me was a lot of these things you can't put into a box. 158 00:15:59,579.9999999998836 --> 00:16:03,980 A lot of the, the, the people that perpetrate these, um, they're sort of all over the map.
Many of them.
.9999999998836Not all of them, but many of them. 161 00:16:06,319.9999999998836 --> 00:16:09,924 More than you think.Well- Um, and I just think that's super important.
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It is super important, and I think people should go listen to that.
And also, right now, if you look at it, what, what do they th- they've only found a footprint and a bolt-action rifle, um, that was discarded.
.0000000001164Mm-hmm.
Which is
.0000000001164Listen, for a criminal to do that and not to keep the weapon, um, my guess is the weapon is somehow modified where you don't know exactly where it came from, um, if they found it. 167 00:16:31,324.0000000001164 --> 00:16:36,824.0000000001164 I wonder what has happened to that rifle if the serial numbers are available, um, what they've done to it. 168 00:16:36,824.0000000001164 --> 00:16:38,244 But there is no suspect.
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And your, your point is so dead-on, is that until you know the facts of something, it's very important as a leader to ensure that you're giving just the facts of what's happening to that point, and not to point fingers.
But even if it is somebody from the other side of the aisle, like Melissa Hortman, who was killed by a freak show wearing a mask, deliberately because she was a Democrat and he was a Christian nationalist MAGA, there's a brutality to facts. 171 00:17:06,244.00000000011642 --> 00:17:18,3.9999999998835847 Um, you know, for me, I mean, we're to a point right now since we don't know who this individual is, you can't go out there and scream that it's the left, or even if it's somebody from the left, you can't do that either. 172 00:17:18,3.9999999998835847 --> 00:17:19,543.9999999998836 You're still fomenting violence. 173 00:17:19,543.9999999998836 --> 00:17:20,404 I'm
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It is such a lack of leadership, but it also means that we have an administration that can only flame-throw. 175 00:17:25,503.9999999998836 --> 00:17:26,464 And I think it goes back to- Yeah.
the desperation starting from the Epstein files.
I think they're seeing this as an opportunity.
You should see what's going on here in Virginia, Amy, with the Republicans.
I, uh, even people that I've known, uh, that were moderate Republicans
And this is the fear, right, Amy?
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They're saying online, "The Democrats want to kill us."
I
Are you
It's insane.
It literally is insane.
I think a lot of this has to do with their belief that this is a spiritual war.
.9999999997672Mm-hmm. 188 00:17:54,543.9999999997672 --> 00:18:00,264.00000000023283 And that it could become a kinetic war because of that, and I just can't believe that there's people that are saying that. 189 00:18:00,264.00000000023283 --> 00:18:02,096 It's hard for me to get my arms around 190 00:18:03,744.0000000002328 --> 00:18:07,952 Well, the point is that political violence is never, ever, ever acceptable.
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Ever.
And you have to call it out.
You have to call it out if it's perpetrated by people with views- Mm-hmm.
.9999999997672that, um, don't align- Aligned or don't align. 195 00:18:16,822.9999999997672 --> 00:18:17,864 with your own.
Or/and you have to call it out with, when it's perpetrated by people with views that do align with your own.
It is unacceptable.
.00000000023283Um- It is. 199 00:18:26,244.00000000023283 --> 00:18:41,063 I, I worry that, that this is gonna get worse before it gets better, but I think you and I, uh, and, and everybody listening, we have a responsibility if, uh, uh, we care about this country to make sure that we say it is unacceptable.
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Okay?
I agree.
It's unacceptable.
All right.
.9999999997672So a lot of other news happened this week that we need to talk about though, um, because it's really important. 205 00:18:48,583.9999999997672 --> 00:18:49,634 There was a
.00000000023283an attack on Poland by Russia and Russian drones. 207 00:18:55,244.00000000023283 --> 00:18:56,844 I, I, I sort of
I'm afraid to use the word attack, but Russian dr- drones did go into Polish airspace and into Poland.
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.9999999997672So, uh, Denver, what is going on here? 210 00:19:06,563.9999999997672 --> 00:19:07,632 They're tickling the network. 211 00:19:08,543.9999999997672 --> 00:19:12,324 What they're looking at is how air defense systems will react to when they penetrate airspace.
So if you look at Rzeszow, if you look around, why they closed down the Rzeszow Airport, I've flown in, there, multiple times now, um, there's Patriot batteries that surround Rzeszow, right?
So you're looking at Poland as a NATO country has access to armaments, right?
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And they have a hell of an army.
.9999999997672So what you're looking at, when you're looking at an incursion and you say, "Look, you're looking at double-digit number of drones, uh, going significantly over the border," uh, what they're looking at is how fast that air defense reaction system is. 216 00:19:38,583.9999999997672 --> 00:19:39,973 It's an intelligence-gathering- Mm-hmm.
mission.
Um, and I, and I have to tell you, um, I had an attorney contact me.
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I'd given a speech on Ukraine about, oh God, Amy, 6, 7 months ago, after my first trip to Ukraine, and I said, "Poland's next, and you gotta watch out for the Baltics."
And I remember leaving, and there was about 50 to 70 people there like, "Denver, there's no way.
.0000000002328There's no way that Russia's even gonna, uh, do anything about Poland. 222 00:20:05,764.0000000002328 --> 00:20:07,624 They would be so afraid of Article 5."
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I said, "Okay."
I said, "Like we're supporting them now?"
.9999999997672I said, "Guys, I'm telling you right now, sociopaths only feel pain."
.9999999997672That's it. 227 00:20:14,563.9999999997672 --> 00:20:14,744.0000000002328 That 228 00:20:14,744.0000000002328 --> 00:20:15,664 They only feel pain.
And when you have such a weak administration right now after the Alaska debacle, uh, Putin's feeling pretty emboldened right now, but he's also desperate.
.9999999997672There's 2 things happening. 231 00:20:24,583.9999999997672 --> 00:20:26,313 He's desperate and emboldened.
That's why you see him hitting Kyiv so much.
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But this Poland incursion was simply intelligence gathering to tickle the network, dependent on how they can get through to Ukraine.
They see America is on fire.
We're in chaos.
We have no specific foreign policy experience to deal with this.
We have people like Lutnick and things like that, that are trying to navigate this insanity.
That's what's happening.
That's it.
That's what happened, and we should be absolutely
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This is the most important story of the week, is what's happening there.
Yeah.
F- for all the people that, that said that, "Oh, Russia would never have attacked Ukraine if Donald Trump was in office."
Uh, you have to, you have to take a step back and recognize that Russia just, you know
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M- maybe it wasn't an attack, but it's certainly a probe in, on a NATO country w- using, um, armed drones that we have ne- uh
An offensive deployment of drones into Poland.
It, th- that hasn't happened in 70 years.
Yup.
And so, you know, that happened under this current administration, and there's probably not gonna be any pushback from our current administration.
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I mean, that should be shocking to people.
Um, and also a lot of what's come up, at least, uh, on my, my side, is people asking me about, "Well, how come?
Th- they should be shooting these things down."
And I think what ma- many people maybe n- not fully understand is there's a lot of drones, they're very cheap, they fly fairly low, um, and when you launch an F-35, which is what I understand Poland did, you know, a bunch of F-35s, they're very expensive fighter jets, they
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You're sh- shooting down potentially a $5,000 drone, right, maybe?
Mm-hmm.
A $5,000 drone with an AIM-9X, which is what the F-35s carry.
I know.
I was thinking about that the other day.
AIM-9Xs
W- what is an AIM-9X?
It's a, it's a, it stands for air intercept missile- It's a heat-seeking missile, Amy.
9.
Yeah.
And it's a heat-seeking missile.
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It's very expensive.
It costs a couple million dollars, at least a million dollars, maybe, probably t- closer to $2 million per missile.
So, you're shooting down a $5,000 drone with a $2 million missile.
And they're not really optimized to shoot down drones.
I mean, fighter jets are, are optimized to shoot down other fighter jets.
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Yeah.
Um, and so, you know, we're, we're, we're in a new world, uh, and your, your analysis of, "Hey, the Russians are probing here," is very scary.
Yeah.
I'd
You know, I, I, I find it interesting, you know, drone warfare has been advanced by the Ukrainians, where they're, they shoot down drones with drones, right?
I mean, if you're looking at
Or, or they go after s- frontline units with things like the Baba Yaga drone, also called the vampire drones.
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The thing about FPVs, right, um, first-person view drones, is that they can be built rather cheaply, as you said, um, but there's the Shaheds, right?
My guess is, going that deep into Poland, you're looking at Shaheds, which were originally- No, those are Iranian, right?
Yup, they were originally sourced from Iran.
Um, I was looking at some of the, uh, Shaheds that were shot down and captured, um, and they actually had French and Chinese wiring.
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So, what you're seeing now are the Russians are actually
And even FPV drones, they're, they're personally building them, um, on
.99999999976717Close to frontline areas in Russia close to the Ukrainian border and just shipping 'em over. 284 00:23:52,139.99999999976717 --> 00:23:56,660 So, some are cobbling them together, but they're making millions of these, right?
So, you have these massive warehouses that are continually making FPV drones, and they're cheaper and cheaper, right?
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They're getting better and better at doing this.
Um, so it's not just
A lot of people are like, "Oh, these are a bunch of Chinese DGI drones."
.0000000002328No, they're cobbling together different types, or they're building their own components now. 290 00:24:11,860.0000000002328 --> 00:24:13,300 Um, so it's really interesting, right?
A Ukraine drone is more expensive to build if you cobble it together instead of going out en masse b- buying those, you know, say, from the Chinese or other areas.
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On the other hand, though, they have the parts there where they can build them in Ukraine.
So, it's really interesting dynamic.
Four million drones, I think, Ukraine built last year.
I think double that for Russia.
It's somewhere in there.
Might be that this year.
But that's what we're going through, Amy, is that we have a new type of warfare here.
And, and if we're gonna use F-35s to shoot down drones, we'd lose f- that material battle pretty fast.
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Um, so we better get better at drone warfare like the Ukrainians and learn from them, because right now, we are not as capable.
And also, you know, I, I, I criticize the current administration quite a bit, um, particularly on foreign policy.
People that know me know that.
Um, the criticism is really real.
I mean, we are right now pulling out of exercises and support for our Eastern European allies.
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The United States- That's a great point.
.99999999976717is pulling out. 307 00:25:14,139.99999999976717 --> 00:25:28,080 Our Department of Defense, now called the Department of War, whatever, is now pulling out of, of these very important not only shows of force, but training to be a deterrent to Putin.
We're, we're sort of
We've taken our eye off the ball here.
We've have a Secretary of Defense that's more concerned about, you know, the placard on s- outside of his office and what it says in the Pentagon than he is about, you know, th- these types of things going on in Europe right now.
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We, we rolled out the red carpet.
We had our, our military roll out the red carpet for f- for Vladimir Putin, and now w- he's probing into NATO.
I mean, uh, I just
This needs to be front
page news.
.00000000023283Right, every second. 317 00:26:05,148.00000000023283 --> 00:26:08,144 I mean, what happened was such an, an abysmal failure.
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.0000000002328Um, but what we're gonna have, right, is this downstream domestic issue, um, that's going to dominate the headlines because the far right will force it that way, and I think a lot of mainstream outlets are gonna fall into that. 319 00:26:22,648.0000000002328 --> 00:26:43,288 Right now, the Ukraine-Poland thing, you're right, Eastern European aid being withdrawn, uh, as far as financial aid and material, and obviously the other things that are happening which I know you wanna get to, you know, internationally, as far as bombings that have been absolutely brutal and here we are, right, screaming performatively in some hate, dehumanizing way about the others.
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It's just, it's incredible to me how we have failed as a country over these last 8 to 9 months.
We're not being led by strong people right now.
Um- No, they believe in interdimensional beings.
The
Yeah.
The, um
Israel attacked Hamas militants in Doha, uh, just a few days ago and that country, Qatar, is the home to the United States' largest military-
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base in the region.
It's one of the most impa- important allies in the Middle East.
Israel did this attack using fighter jets, um, and, and I think what's significant that, that I need to remind people about is that Hamas i- is, is terrible.
There's no doubt.
They were sending a negotiating team, uh, to Doha.
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Mm-hmm.
And, um, this was part of, of what Donald Trump wanted.
He said that, you know, he, he had, he had tried to arrange for a negotiating team so he could try to mediate, which g- good on ya.
I mean, we, we, we need th- we need an end to this, to this war.
But it's a pattern, right?
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I mean, th- he did, he did this, uh, th- the Israelis did this just a few months ago when it came to Iran.
Donald Trump, uh, tried to set up an Ira- a, a negotiating meeting and Israel just gives Donald Trump the big middle finger.
They did.
And, and, and strikes the negotiating team from Iran, and now they strike the negotiating team in Doha and then tell the United States afterwards.
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I mean, that to me, just the poli- the geopolitics of that shows how weak our president really is.
Yeah, I mean, you know, we talk about the Epstein files distractions.
This is the BB indictment distractions.
And the fact that he would bomb a country that houses a United States military base, Amy, and we're sitting here just sort of, "Eh, okay."
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Gr- uh, that's awful.
I'd, I, I've never
It's hard to define the weakness of this administration to
.9999999997672If, if we go back 30 years, nobody could have in any way predicted that we wouldn't have pushed Russia out of Ukraine, that we would allow Poland to be actually probed by drones, by tickling the networks to, for an intelligence operation plan, what they're building. 349 00:29:20,947.9999999997672 --> 00:29:24,048 Uh, we would never think, right, that we would allow Doha to be
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I was just in Doha 4 months ago, by the way- Mm.
coming back from the UAE.
Right?
So I, I'm just, I'm, my, I, I, I, I don't know how to actually get my arms around this, but it comes back to lack of talent and sycophancy.
It comes back to a conspiratorial mindset and fantasy creating policy.
And Amy, they're not making any decision based on facts on the ground or data.
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They're making decisions based on bizarre belief systems.
.99999999976717And the cascading effect of stupid is terminal.
It's terminal.
.00000000023283And I, and I, and I, and I told people when this started, I thought it would take a couple years, Amy. 360 00:30:00,168.00000000023283 --> 00:30:04,088 I, I, I, honestly, uh, it's, it's, we're only in September.
And what is
It's hard for, I, I know for you, Amy, as somebody who thinks logically, had an incredible military career, teaches, have done things other people can't imagine, has gone through the political system, and I know I, I have this background myself, and when you look at it, there's no way you can get your arms around what's happening internationally right now with us sort of sitting on our hands.
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And there's still hostages in Gaza, um- They said they're not gonna be released now because of the bombing in Doha.
Did you see that?
Uh- You know, Netanyahu thinks
I, I think he thinks that there's gonna be a military end to this war, um, and you don't need to negotiate.
I mean, obviously if you're bombing the negotiating team, you don't want to negotiate .
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Um- It's an indicator.
I just
Yeah.
It's- There's just 2 Oh.
two million Palestinian civilians with, you know, no leader, and who do you negotiate with if you keep killing them all?
I mean, I just- It's a great question, Amy.
I feel like we, we gotta
Have sanity back in the office, maybe have a
Maybe actually have an American Congress that looks at what's happening at the top of their party and say, "This is insane," instead of jumping on here and saying, "We should all celebrate Jesus" like Charlie.
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Uh, what is happening?
We
Uh, uh, political violence is what's happening, but we're also
We're ignoring
If we can't walk and chew gum at the same time internationally, we're in deep, deep trouble.
Anyway, I know I'm beating this horse.
Well, I mean, look.
Israel attacks Doha, the Russians violate Poland's airspace, but, you know, don't worry, it's okay because we have a Department of War.
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Ugh.
We've renamed it.
We've sent Pete Hegseth out to an aircraft carrier-
to put the, put the helmet on and look cool and talk about how important it is.
Um, I mean, I just
I, I'm, I'm
Speechless.
We've gone from the DOD to the DOH.
DOH.
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DOH.
We're at the DOH.
It's just incredible.
I feel like it's the Homer Simpson DOD now.
Well.
Um, it's just incredible.
Gosh.
Well- Okay.
Let's get to some quick shots, all right?
'Cause there's a, there's a lot- Okay.
more going on, and there is actually some fun stuff coming u- coming up that I'm really excited about.
I've, I've heard.
I've heard.
But there's a, there's a Supreme Court ruling, um, this past week, and it had to do with racial profiling- Oh.
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.00000000023283for, uh, ICE, for the immigration stuff that's going on, these raids that are going on. 409 00:32:44,360.00000000023283 --> 00:32:59,130 And basically, what happened was the Supreme Court lifted a hold that was put in place by a lower court judge that stopped ICE, okay, from stopping and searching people on what appeared to be only their race.
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.00000000023283The Supreme Court- Which was. 411 00:33:00,360.00000000023283 --> 00:33:06,880 The Supreme Court said that's A-okay, and I, I just wanted to know what your thoughts are on that.
.9999999997672I mean, uh, to me, I'm kind of like, oh. 413 00:33:09,639.9999999997672 --> 00:33:18,540 Well, so it's okay to racially profile on immigration, but certainly not in higher ed, uh, now from the Supreme Court.
Like, where are we at here?
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I don't know if it's that subtle of a ruling, Amy.
I, 417 00:33:27,639.9999999997672 --> 00:33:28,400 I've, uh
I'm having a tough time with, how do you paint something that's so unsubtle that, yeah, it's okay.
You know what?
They look Brown.
Mm-hmm.
And now, and now
Listen.
When it comes to law enforcement, you know, profiling is something that you have to do at certain times.
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It's just the way it is, right?
Um, I mean, if you're in an all Black urban area, that criminal is most likely gonna be Black, right?
If you're in an all white rural area and there's pedophilia happening, that's gonna loo-
That's gonna be a white male.
.99999999976717So, you know. 430 00:34:02,139.99999999976717 --> 00:34:02,980 So, there
You know, that's just the way
That's just
This is
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.0000000002328However, when it comes to the melting pot of America, you know, you're not just gonna go up to a Black person just 'cause you think they, they did a crime here or to a white person 'cause they were in a rural area here and there was a crime committed. 435 00:34:17,720.0000000002328 --> 00:34:28,279.99999999976717 You're not just gonna check their computer 'cause they're white and there's porn on there, child porn, or you're not gonna just go to a Black person and check their computer because there's been robberies or, or check- Mm-hmm. 436 00:34:28,279.99999999976717 --> 00:34:29,260.00000000023283 their house. 437 00:34:29,260.00000000023283 --> 00:34:30,63.99999999976717 It's insane. 438 00:34:30,800.0000000002328 --> 00:34:47,060 Um, and so what you're seeing right now is you're seeing an absolute sort of capitulation to ICE and DHS through the Supreme Court, because I just can't believe that you're, you're gonna stop somebody who's possibly a US citizen just because of the way they look to deport them.
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.00000000023283The
.99999999976717You, you do get to a point where you cross the Rubicon and you wonder what's happening. 441 00:34:53,239.99999999976717 --> 00:34:54,699.9999999997672 We know what's happening to our country. 442 00:34:54,699.9999999997672 --> 00:34:57,240 I'm gonna stop saying, "I wonder what's happening to our country."
Right?
I do wanna get to some good, fun things, um, because we're- Got it.
We have, we have to talk about 9/11.
That was so important for, for our lives and for America.
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Um, but before we do, there, there are some fun things that happened this past week, and there are a couple really cool stories, uh, and that I'd love to give cheers to.
first of all, there's a special election in Virginia 11, which- Mm-hmm.
is near you.
Um, and- Very near me.
I think voters are fed up a little bit with what's going on right now, uh, in our country, and they, uh, elected a Democrat in a, uh, pretty red area.
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Uh, James Walkinshaw, I think won- Yeah.
in Virginia 11.
Um- He did.
Do you, do you know those- Handily.
th- that area?
Good.
Uh, yeah.
I mean, I know the area very well.
Um, but yeah.
That, th- he was gonna win that.
It was, uh
I think he was
Oh, goodness, the guy's name just escaped me.
.0000000004657Um, is it Spencer? 466 00:35:52,720.0000000004657 --> 00:35:57,820 Um, the Republican running against him, um, not an awful person at all, the Republican, to be honest.
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A very moderate guy.
Um, but there was no way a Republican was gonna win that district.
So- Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So it was a, it was Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I think that was Gerry Connolly's old district.Oh, very good.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So, that's, that's what happened there.
Well, that's good.
All right.
So, also in New Mexico, uh
New Mexico is now the first state to make chi- childcare free.
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Starting in November, the state will have childcare, uh, reimbursements, or offer childcare to, uh, families, every family in the state.
I just think that's worthy of a cheer.
I'm, I'm somebody who- It is.
is a big proponent of, of, uh, childcare being affordable, so cheers- It is.
to New Mexico, okay?
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And then finally, and this is, this is my favorite one.
.9999999995343Uh, in Kentucky, here in my state, there is a nurse in Eastern Kentucky who gave CPR to a raccoon, um, and the story is pretty amazing. 490 00:36:58,663.9999999995343 --> 00:36:58,934 The
And this, I think just shows you how wonderful healthcare providers are, uh, in my state and in our country.
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This woman, her name is Misty Combs, she lives in Whitesburg, which is in Eastern Kentucky, it's in Letcher County, and she found these raccoons, um, in a dumpster and th-
A couple of them ran away apparently, but one was stuck in the bottom of a dumpster, drunk, and it was drunk on moonshine.
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And she saw it and said, "I-
It's probably gonna die."
She pulled it out by its tail, it was soaking wet, and she could smell, you know, the alcohol, and she performed CPR, stomach compressions, on this raccoon, and it ca-
You know, she saved it.
And the, the, the piece in there that I think is funny for this show a little bit is that, um, it was a dis-
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It was outside of a distillery that was making, um, infused peach moonshine.
And so the raccoons were, you know, eating the-
I guess fermented peaches and, uh- Oh.
and that's how they got into this, shall we call it predicament.
Um, but this, this nurse, um, Ms. Combs, and her colleagues, uh, named
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They, they brought the raccoon, they, they ga-
Brought it to a veterinarian and everything, uh, put it in a cage, and then I guess after it was finally, uh, all better, they released it back into the wild.
And, uh- Aw.
they called it, they called it
They named the raccoon Otis Campbell based on the fictional town drunk in the 1960s program, um, Andy Griffith.
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Andy Griffith.
Andy Griffith Show.
.9999999995343I, I'm with you. 512 00:38:46,703.9999999995343 --> 00:38:48,432 I thought they were gonna name him Pete Hegseth.
Here I am trying to be serious and you bring that in.
Anyway-
chee- cheers to the nurses though, um, to her.
I just think it's a, an amazing story.
I'm, I'm somebody that loves animals and I just think that's fantastic, so cheers.
I wanna just tell everybody here, what a hero, and there is no way on earth I'm going to actually give mouth-to-mouth to a raccoon.
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It wasn't mouth-to-mouth.
It was CPR.
Okay.
I would just like to say, and say for the record, I
There's no way on earth I would give CPR to a raccoon.
And here's the other thing that really bothers me.
Maybe the cr- raccoon just didn't wanna go on.
Maybe the raccoon was like, "I, I'm done," right?
"I wanna drink myself to death.
I'm 21 years old.
I've had 732 babies."
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"Uh, I'm ready to go," right?
And so, I think maybe, maybe we gotta look at for the
I don't even know what I'm saying right now.
I, I don't even wanna keep going with this 'cause it's gonna get more ridiculous, so I apologize to everybody.
But, you know, we gotta worry about how raccoons think too, you know?
Well, I just
It, it's my favorite story of the week, I have to say.
There's a lot, there's a lot of bad things going on.
This was, this was fun that made me laugh and everybody should know about it.
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.99999999953434No. 540 00:39:57,203.99999999953434 --> 00:39:57,604.0000000004657 I was gonna 541 00:39:57,604.0000000004657 --> 00:40:00,766 I'm gonna say something that Doug is gonna cut, and I think
Yes.
Today, Denver, is the anniversary of 9/11.
Yes.
And, um, I'd, I'd like to ask you where you were on 9/11.
.9999999995343Um, what, what, um 547 00:40:14,703.9999999995343 --> 00:40:16,240 Where were you at that, that morning?
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Mountain Home Air Force Base, uh, 4458B Vance Drive was my house on Mountain Home, and it was Mountain Time.
So literally was putting my uniform on when the first plane hit the towers.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, where were you, Amy?
Um, I was
Actually, I was in San Diego, California.
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I was stationed in Miramar, Marine Corps Air Station.
Uh, 3hour time difference in California.
Uh, planes hit the towers at about 6:00 in the morning, or 6:30 in the morning, California time.
And so I was, um, st- still in my apartment and, uh, was
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I got a call from my sister who said, "Watch the news.
Turn on the news."
And I was, like, still groggy.
I'm like, "What?
What?"
You know?
I turn the news on and, uh, right as the second plane is hitting- Oh.
the second tower.
Yes.
And- and then I get another call from the operations officer in my fighter squadron.
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I was
I had literally just checked into my fighter squadron.
I was only there for- And our stories are similar.
maybe 3 or 4 months, very junior, okay?
And, uh, but I was in an operational squadron, and that means that I'm no longer in training.
I'm in a squadron that, you know, is ready to go.
And so the operations officers called everybody, said, "Get in here."
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I lived Denver very close to the, um, base, okay?
And so I was one of the first, uh, members of my squadron, of my fighter squadron to get onto base that morning.
There was a lot of confusion on the base and they shut the gates down.
Us too.
Mm-hmm.
So a lot of the pilots who were more senior to me, aviators, um, and weapons officers who were more senior to me, could not get onto the base because the gates were shut.
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I- I
Being living close, I was one of the first ones on, so I was already on the base.
And I remember being in the ready room and they needed- they needed, uh, air crew immediately to go over to the KALA.
KALA is the combined arms loading area, it's on- Mm-hmm.
the other side of the airfield.
It's where you put live ammunition and ordinan- live ordinance onboard the aircraft.
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You do it on the other side, away from people if- if there's anything that goes wrong.
And my operations officer said, "We need you to go to the KALA immediately.
We need air crews out there.
We have, um"
Wow.
Mm-hmm.
"You- you need to hop in and defend Southern California."
And I'm, like, a very junior aviator, and that I'm sure the operations officer and the commanding officer were looking around trying to find somebody other than me.
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Um, because- Gosh.
I was so junior.
And they've, they've, uh, erased the names on the whiteboard that were the se- more senior because they weren't there and they put my name up there, and I suited up, I went over to the KALA on the other side, and I wi- I remember clearly walking to the jet that was over there.
(43:25):
They had towed the jets over there already and had already loaded up AIM-9s, Sidewinders.
Uh
Unbelievable.
AIM-120s.
It's incredible.
And I walked to that jet with live missiles loaded up, and, um, boy, my heart just, you know
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And I
We were being briefed on the way.
On the way to the jet in the Jeep.
Like, "This is your
Your mission is to defend Los Angeles.
You're gonna, you know, defend Los Angeles and- and San Diego and Southern California, and if there is an airliner or any- anything coming in that is a threat, we're going to launch you, and you're going to intercept it and do what's necessary."
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.99999999953434And boy, I- I- I gotta tell you, I sat in that jet for 3 hours that morning with one engine on and one engine off- Yep. 611 00:44:26,279.99999999953434 --> 00:44:28,060 to ser- to save fuel, you know.
You could kick the other engine back on any moment and run down that runway.
And, uh, in my mind, it was just like, "Oh my gosh, what- what's going on and what am I going to have to do-" Uh-huh.
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" if my country asked me to do it?"
Um, and so that was my 9/11.
Yeah.
And I remember being relieved probably about 11:00 AM Pacific Time. 618 00:44:53,720.0000000004657 --> 00:45:08,350 So, uh, relieved meaning somebody else came in to- to hop in the jet and take over, because it was so just emotional, psychological- psychologically emotional sitting in that jet.
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It- it- it was.
Yeah, I- I- I remember the first one hit, the second one hit, my wife yelled.
The first one, my first actual quote when I saw the first jet, when I came out and saw the replay, I came downstairs.
So it was about 6:30 Mountain Time, AM local, and I said, "That's not a small plane," you know.
And being Air Force, right, and- and doing mission planning and having to learn F-15s, F-16s, B-1s, right?
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15Es and Cs and things like that.
I- I looked at my wife, I said, "There's no way a small
That's not a small plane.
How would a large plane impact that building?"
You know, I was 31, 30, you know, 31.
Yeah.
And so I said, "Well, that's"
I said, "I don't know if that's a mistake.
That's really interesting."
My phone had not rung.
When the second plane hit, my Director of Operations, Bull Valley, um, my phone rings and I, my wife yells, I come back into the room 'cause I was just about to go to the squadron building, which was literally a half mile away, as you know, I was
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We lived on base.And Bull Valley goes, "Chunk, get your effing ass in here."
Right?
So I roll in there and it's chaos, because Amy, we were the air expeditionary wing.
We were on a 90-day, 24-hour call, immediate notice- Mm-hmm.
for any worldwide conflagration.
Us and Seymour Johnson would go back and forth on 90-day rotations.
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And obviously, we had a air ex- expeditionary wing.
We had F-15Es and Cs, F-16CJs, B-1s, and KC-135s.
So, you know, so I'm like, "Oh my goodness."
So they're like, "Denver, what happened?
Go find out."
And you know how much was on the intelligence channels on 9/11, Amy?
Nothing.
Hm.
Right?
Yeah.
.99999999953434So, like, you need to brief the air crews. 652 00:46:45,163.99999999953434 --> 00:46:48,383 So I run in there, I'm like, "Hey, I took everything unclassified I had.
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.9999999995343I thought I did okay. 654 00:46:49,663.9999999995343 --> 00:46:51,123 I'm pretty good at it."
Um, but the commander came after me, he goes, "If you don't find out more stuff, we, we gotta know now, because we're already, we're gonna get the call."
I said, "Got it."
He goes, "But Denver, I know"
Now our base was shut down, like yours.
We only had half the air crew.
Yeah.
We didn't have any, w- right?
And our maintainers weren't on base, and our supply guys aren't, weren't on base, right?
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Um, and we're like, "What is happening?"
He goes, "Denver, man," and he goes, "I know you're the intelligence officer.
Will you go look at the CONEXES to make sure they're squared away?"
I said, "To pack them?"
He goes, "Yeah."
So I went up and I cut off the bands, you know what I'm talking about.
Mm-hmm.
Opened all the CONEXES.
They hadn't been used since, like, 1947, it seemed like.
So, you know, so we clean out the CONEXES.
I was packing those CONEXES 6 days later.
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I left on a C-5 on September 21st, 2011 to Diego, um, to start our bombing runs, with the first mission planning bombing run being started on October 6th.
Um, that was one of the most interesting days.
At that time, CNN came onto base and they made me the spokesperson as literally a first lieutenant-
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for intelligence, just like I was in Romania in '99.
And then they did a profile, the local news did a profile on my wife while I was gone, because I was, because my commander's like, "Denver, just go tell them something.
.9999999995343Just don't tell them where we're going. 680 00:48:08,663.9999999995343 --> 00:48:09,144 Don't tell them anything.
Say that we're just responding to what's happening."
So I did that, and in the news, while I was gone, I didn't know this, they would visit my wife every week to see how she was doing.
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They did a profile on my family while I was deployed, uh, for 9/11.
So, um, yeah, it was a life-changing event.
It, it was.
For, for both of us, you know?
I wa- I was deployed a few months later to, um, Manas, uh, the first- Oh, okay.
first, uh, Marine Corps, uh, fighter squadron, first American fighter squadron to ever land in a former Soviet Union republic, and we basically built that, in Kyrgyzstan, built that base back up, and we did missions into Afghanistan, um, from that base.
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And so- But Kyrgyzstan's a lot closer than Diego and Oman.
.9999999995343Yeah, I mean, and that was, that was early on in, in- Yeah. 691 00:49:04,703.9999999995343 --> 00:49:06,193 a few months after 9/11.
And, uh, you know, it was such a different time, but today, you just, you just look back, and, and all of the victims of that tragedy, their families, our hearts go out to them, um, and the first responders who were so courageous in, in, uh, at the Pentagon and also in New York City.
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Um, the am- amazing Americans who, who took over the plane, uh, or tried to take over the plane, um, so that it wouldn't be used as a, as a weapon and went down in, in, in Pennsylvania.
They were, you know, heroes, and our hearts just go out to them.
This is such a, uh, such an important, somber day.
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.00000000046566Uh, it affected so many of us for the rest of our lives and, and our country. 697 00:49:55,104.00000000046566 --> 00:49:57,524 You know, you and I both deployed after that.
.9999999995343It affected our families.
Oh.
Um, but I, I just- Crazy times.
You know, it, it's, um, it's a day where we reflect about our country and about the freedoms that we have, um, and a recommitment to what our country stands for, the values- That's good.
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Uh, and, and w- we owe them, you know, our, our courage, for those of us who are, who are still living and, and, and inheriting this country of ours.
We owe them that courage, in my mind.
I, I, I couldn't put it any better.
I mean, uh, that's wonderful, I mean, uh, the way that you put it.
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I think what's amazing is how we came together as a country, but I feel like this country, every time there is an external- there is not an external threat, I feel like when we don't have that outside threat coming at us, we seem to want to turn on ourselves and look at the other as a internal threat, regardless if it's true or not.
And I think that's what you're seeing now.
Um, it's amazing, right?
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When you look at the strife in the US, I mean, our entire history, it feels like we come together at times when we really need to, but it seems like we're always identifying with one tribe or another internally, and that becomes violent inside if we don't have an outside enemy.
And, and the only way to fix that is through facts and empathy and tolerance.
(51:32):
But I think we're on a track where we're in fantasy intolerance, um, and I would say a lack of empathy, uh, on every level.
And, um, I don't know.
You know?
9/11 was horrific, but there were those few years where the country seemed to bind together, and now it looks like this country's so fragmented, I don't know what brings it back together, so.
(51:57):
Well, I know we can talk about these things, but we're not giving up.
And 9/11 is, is a, is a day where we take a look back and, and remember, but also, we have the resolve to go forward, um, speak the truth, and stand for what is right, um, both you and, and I, and, and folks who are listening out there today.
(52:21):
So, we're, we're gonna end our show, um, on that, but I just, you know, I, I feel like this is an important day, um, it's an important show.
We're gonna do our best going forward to, to live the values of our country.
We are.
(52:41):
And, um, that means condemning political violence, um, speaking facts when they're uncomfortable, and I think it also
Coming to this with the topics like we did today, with sobriety and empathy, uh, and I think that's what we're really good at, Amy.
And I'm not trying to brag, but I think we do.
But if people want to get this kind of incredible insight, I think they certainly have to, um, subscribe, they have to make sure that they go onto our YouTube and watch.
(53:11):
You know they can comment.
Make sure that you join us for our live programs, which I think are the best.
Make sure that you sign up for all of our social media accounts, right?
X, Truth Social, Blue Sky, Down The Line, and our new Substack.
So, I hope that everybody subscribes and listens, and Amy, thank you for doing this show with me.
It was fantastic.
You're the greatest.
Thanks for getting this together today.
(53:32):
Well, thanks for everyone for listening.
We'll see you next time on Truth & Barrel.
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