October 2, 2025 • 33 mins
This week, Amy flies solo and takes Pete Hegseth and his “male standard” to task before fact checking Donald Trump’s claims made in front of a stoic audience of our military’s top brass. Amy then talks about the Republican government shut down. Whose effected and who suffers most?
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Hi, everyone.
Welcome to another edition of Truth in the Barrel Unfiltered.
Today, I'm alone and unafraid, talking to you about Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth's bonkers speech this week to 800 generals and admirals that they summoned from all over the world, and we'll also talk about the real impacts of the government shutdown.
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I'm Amy McGrath.
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All right, let's get started.
24 years in the military, I have never seen or heard of anything like this before.
Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, summoned all of the one-star, 2star, 3star, 4star generals from around the world to Quantico, Virginia for a meeting.
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.99999999998545At first, we never knew what the meeting was even about and even the generals and admirals did not know what the meeting was about, which that in and of itself is bonkers.
After a while, and there was criticism about this meeting because nobody knew what it was about, then the president decides he's going to now talk to the generals and admirals.
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Okay.
So, then, they decided to, um, make it live, you know, as, as we do in the Trump era.
Everything is on live TV.
So, the American public got to listen to the secretary of war, the secretary of defense, dress down the 800 generals and admirals, our top folks in the military, followed by a speech from the president.
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.999999999985448And I have to just say both of those speeches were super bizarre.
This was a show.
It was a performance.
It wa- had nothing to do with readiness. 21 00:02:08,419.00000000001455 --> 00:02:12,176.0000000000291 Uh, it didn't make our military more lethal.
It didn't make us, um, safer because none of this was about defense, and the one thing
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.0000000000291Well, there's several things that I took away from this speech.
.0000000000291The biggest one was that there was no talk of any coherent foreign policy at all during this speech.
It was just this rambling mess from not only the secretary of war, uh, but also from the president himself and especially from the president himself.
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.0000000000291So, there's, there's 4 things that I really took away.
1, tons of lies.
.0000000000291Um, the president, as usual, spewed a punch of lies and we're gonna go through those here at the end of this podcast.
The second piece was the blatant politicization of the military in ways that I have never seen, certainly not in my lifetime.
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I don't think
.0000000000291And I'm a, I'm a, somebody that studies history.
I, I can't even think of, of politicization of the military like this in the last 100 years, maybe even in American history.
When the president gets up there and basically gives a political speech to the military, that is politicizing our troops, that is eroding trust in the institution of our military and its leaders, and I have n- I've never seen anything like that than what we saw this week.
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Plus, the third thing is the craziness of, uh, of the president's speech, his talk about, "Oh, your ships and the Navy, you're so ugly.
They're so ugly."
.0000000000291I mean, it's bizarre.
He ranted about the types of paper being used.
I guess he's upset about the, the paper being used, the, the, you know, you get promoted and you get a, a piece of paper that says you're promoted.
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He had a rant about the Department of War, changing the Department of Defense's name to the Department of War and that that somehow is going to be the answer to winning all the wars of the future.
It's laughable, um, and crazy.
I mean, anybody that's been in the national security world knows that that kinda stuff is just bizarre.
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the scariest piece to me was, was not all of that.
We're so used to Donald Trump's lies by now.
Um, we shouldn't be used to 'em, but we are.
Unfortunately, we're getting used to the politicization of the military and the craziness is always around us.
But the scariest piece of the speech was Donald Trump's words of using the military to fight this, quote, "invasion from within."
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You hear this on the campaign trail a lot, this, "We've been invaded from within," but to say it to the military, implying that the military then will be used to go after enemies inside our country, meaning Americans, using our cities, he said, as training grounds for the military, that, to me, was a WTF moment.
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That is not what we do in America.
That is not what we do with our military.
And when I heard that, that was like, "Okay, this, this isn't just a crazy bizarre speech.
This is really scary," okay?
And now if you take a step back, just bringing-All of those 800 generals and admirals to one place was an unnecessary security risk.
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I've talked about that.
It's expensive, it's disruptive.
It was a complete waste, right before a government shutdown.
Right before a government shutdown.
You would think that the President would be trying to negotiate at that point, and not going all the way to Quantico to give this just bizarre speech.
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.0000000000582Um, why is it a big operational security risk?
You don't bring the top generals and admirals, the leaders of your military, all into one spot.
It's like Military 101.
From a military perspective, it's dumb, right?
Um, it's just a security risk.
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It's an unnecessary security risk.
In all of the wars that we've had in the last 24, 30 years, um, we have instituted secure methods of communicating.
We spent a lot of money to have this technology precisely so that we would never have to bring all of these generals and admirals together in one spot, precisely so they wouldn't have to travel this way.
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So, um, if you're gonna bring everybody together, you don't tell the world you're doing it.
That's also kind of like a, a red flag.
It's also very expensive, flying everyone back here, um, when this administration keeps talking about fraud, waste, and abuse, and wasteful spending, and, "We need to cut spending," this was just
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The stuff that was said could have been sent in an email, at least the, the speech from the Secretary of Defense.
And Trump's speech, I mean, uh, he could have done it on, on TV and made the top commanders watch it.
I mean, I, I don't, I don't know what to tell you.
Very expensive.
And disruptive.
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When you have the top commanders in places like Korea, Japan, the Middle East, Europe, somewhere on aircraft carriers in the Pacific, and you bring them away from their post, you're bringing them away from exercises, away from their job, away from defending us in places like the Pacific.
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Those positions are extremely important for deterring our enemies.
.9999999999418Uh, and bringing them here is just like, our enemies are completely laughing at us right now. 77 00:08:35,892.0000000000582 --> 00:08:59,184 Beyond that, the actual talk from the Secretary of War, I'll just start with that, is super humiliating to the 800 generals and admirals who are all more experienced at actually being a warrior than Pete Hegseth.
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.999999999883585It is a slap in the face coming from someone who has way less experience than all these guys and women, um, and coming from a man who
.9999999998836I'm pretty sure most of these admirals and generals do not respect.
I wanna just talk a little bit about the whole standards thing, because Pete Hegseth, our Secretary of War, made a big show in his speech about talking about returning to the, quote, "male standard for combat jobs."
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.99999999988358And all the generals and admirals sat there and listened to him.
And the American people got to hear him say this, and it, and it's
.99999999988358We've also heard it in his nomination hearing, and he's talked about it, um, a lot.
.9999999998836And there's not enough pushback to it, because what he says and what he implies is just not true.
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So, when Pete Hegseth talks about returning to the male standard for combat jobs, I have to tell you, that actually really gets under my skin, because I know a lot about this subject.
I've lived it.
.9999999998836And so, I'm gonna talk to you about what combat standards actually are.
And here's the truth.
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Since combat roles have been opened to women, there have always been only one standard for those jobs.
Okay?
I'll start with when combat jobs were first opened to women, and this was 1993.
This directly affected me, because prior to 1993, I was in high school.
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I wanted to fly fighter jets.
I couldn't do it because there was a federal law and Department of Defense policy that said women couldn't do these things.
Not because we were not qualified, not because the jet would turn pink, but because we're women and we, we were not allowed to do it.
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.9999999998836In 1993, we had a new administration and we had a new Congress and th- the Congress rescinded that law, and the new administration came in and changed the policy withi- within the Department of Defense to allow all aircraft, all aircraft, not just 97 00:11:33,819.9999999998836 --> 00:11:37,300 You know, prior to 1993, women could fly in the military.
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They just couldn't fly fighter jets.
Okay?
They could fly cargo.
They could fly helicopters.
They couldn't fly pretty much anything with a gun that was considered combat, anything with a gun.
So, after 1993, the Department of Defense changed that, and now all fighter jets were open. 104 00:11:59,180.00000000011642 --> 00:12:04,980 S- since that point, there were not women's standards and men's standards for fighter jets.
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It was all one standard.
You had to meet the requirements.
And this has been true for artillery, for tanks, for submarines as well.
So over time, different things opened up.
So in 1993, aircraft were opened up, combat surface ships were opened up, but a lot was still closed.
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Submarines were still closed in the 1990s to women, and what is also called the ground combat arms, so that's your artillery, tanks, combat engineers, infantry, that was still closed.
In 2010, submarines were then opened up to women, and again, no standards were lowered.
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The standards were the same.
For submariners, you had to be really smart.
You had to meet all kinds of academic requirements to be in subs.
And then, in, in 2016, the last bastion of the combat arms, the ground combat arms is what we call it, that was opened up.
That's artillery, tanks, infantry, that kind of thing.
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Now, in that timeframe, there's a lot of controversy around the ground combat arms being opened up.
And so, what the services figured out, the Army and the Marine Corps particularly figured out, is they didn't really have any standards for those jobs.
The only standard was you, you're a man and you get that MOS, you get that job.
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Bam, go do it.
.0000000001164With the arrival of women into those jobs, prior to 2016, lots of people looked at this and said, "We gotta have some standards."
.0000000001164And so they developed standards that everybody had to meet to become an artilleryman, to become a tanker, to become an infantryman. 123 00:14:07,930.0000000001164 --> 00:14:09,392 They developed these standards.
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And guess what happened?
Some men ma- met the standard, and some men didn't.
Some women met the standard, and some women didn't.
Saying standards were lowered is an insult to every woman and man who has served and met those standards that, since they had the standards, have always been equal.
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Pete Hegseth continues to lie. 129 00:14:37,839.9999999998836 --> 00:14:38,319.9999999998836 All right?
There is some confusion around this issue still, and the confusion lies around what are called administrative standards.
Administrative standards are standards that measure health and fitness.
It's based on age. 133 00:14:55,660.0000000001164 --> 00:14:58,780 It's based on height and weight, for example.
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.0000000001164Okay? 135 00:14:59,660.0000000001164 --> 00:15:03,056 Some of those are based on gender, and I'll talk about this.
They're not the same as combat job standards.
All the combat job standards have always been the same from day one.
I will explain.
Now, if Pete Hegseth wants to make everyone in the Armed Forces all run the same speed and do the same number of pull-ups as a 21-year-old man, that's fine.
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But I would ask you this.
Do we really need to weed out that very talented medic, that linguist, that computer programmer, that radar specialist who can't do 20 pull-ups at an annual fitness test?
.00000000011642Why is Pete Hegseth just fine with having different standards for age?
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.9999999998836Shouldn't we make that 50-year-old colonel meet the same standards as the 20-year-old?
Of course not, unless you're really dumb.
.0000000001164Admin fitness standards measure overall health. 146 00:16:09,665.9999999998836 --> 00:16:12,400.0000000001164 the health of your body, okay?
That's why you have different standards based, uh, on weight, for example, weight and height and gender.
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Why?
.0000000001164Because a healthy 5'6" woman wouldn't weigh 200 pounds, but a 6'1" man might very well weigh 200 pounds, and they both might be healthy, okay, because it's a measure of health.
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.99999999988358That's it. 151 00:16:43,415.9999999998836 --> 00:16:48,656 So run times are a measure of health, all right?
That's how the- the military looks at it.
It's not a measure of battlefield performance.
Those standards of battlefield performance that are combat standards that Pete Hegseth keeps talking about are set by the job itself. 155 00:17:06,195.99999999988358 --> 00:17:11,088 So if you're in the infantry, you have a set across the board standard for training. 156 00:17:11,735.9999999998836 --> 00:17:23,796 If you are an artilleryman, you have a set across the board standard to be able to lift 100-pound artillery round or a certain amount of 100-pound artillery rounds within a certain time.
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And everybody has to meet that standard whether you're a man or a woman, whether you're 40 years old or 20 years old.
Everybody has to meet that standard.
.00000000023283If you're a pilot, you've got to be able to swim one mile in under 80 minutes while wearing an entire flight suit and gear.
Whether you're a man or a woman, you gotta be able to do it.
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Whether you're 6'3" or 5'3", gotta be able to do it. 162 00:17:50,505.99999999976717 --> 00:17:51,568 It's one standard.
Um, when you're a- a pilot, you have to be able to jump off of a 12-foot tower and then do an underwater swim for 15 yards.
It's- it's a requirement.
.9999999997672It doesn't matter whether you're a man or woman or Black, white, uh, how old you are. 166 00:18:08,755.9999999997672 --> 00:18:10,755.9999999997672 You have to be able to do that standard. 167 00:18:10,755.9999999997672 --> 00:18:15,216 Those are combat job-specific standards, and they are all equal.
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So saying standards for combat are lowered- were lowered for women is just not true at all.
And if you want to change all of the standards for the military, including height, weight, um, a- and all of the PT standards that we do as a measure of health and fitness for everyone, in my mind, is not making the military more lethal, because you're weeding out talent. 170 00:18:49,255.99999999976717 --> 00:18:57,712 Our military doesn't exist, uh, with just a bunch of- of- of 6'1", uh, you know, guys that kick in doors. 171 00:18:58,456.00000000023283 --> 00:19:03,760 That may be what people think, but our military exists of lots of different people.
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We need- we need linguists, as I mentioned.
.9999999997672We need people that- that know how to call in for air support. 174 00:19:10,775.9999999997672 --> 00:19:12,636 We need people who are computer programs.
We need, we need people who can speak several languages.
All of those people need to be healthy and fit for who they are in the military, all right, to do their jobs.
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.9999999997672So again, I think it's a complete insult to say that we have lowered standards, and it's just not true. 178 00:19:33,525.9999999997672 --> 00:19:41,648 And I don't know where he's going with this other than just trying to, I guess, weed out all women from the military.
So I wanna spend some time right now again on Donald Trump's speech to the, um, 800 generals and admirals that he gave at Quantico.
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It was bonkers, and what we'd heard from Trump was a rambling, uh, set of craziness, politicization of the military, and a ton of lies. 181 00:20:04,275.99999999976717 --> 00:20:05,936 Uh, and here's the problem.
We've gotten so used to these lies that we stopped calling them out.
And there's so many of them, they just come one after another after another.
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But because I spent 20 years, um, in the Marine Corps, 24 years in uniform, I wanna walk through some of these lies, particularly as they pertain to our national security and our military.
Because these lies aren't harmless.
They're about our national security and truth does matter, or it should.
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And not enough time is spent anymore pushing back on the lies because we're all just so used to him spewing out, um, false things.
So, I'm gonna go through some of these things because I don't want you to walk away thinking that any of this is even halfway true.
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All right?
So during his speech, Trump claimed that, "I have settled so many wars since we're here.
We're almost 9 months in and I've settled seven, and yesterday we might have settled the biggest of them all."
.9999999997672That's false.
He hasn't settled 7 wars, not even close.
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I did an entire segment on this show, on this podcast outlining all of the 7 wars he said he solved and why that claim is false.
So I'm not gonna go through it all, but you should go back and check it out because it, it is false.
We, we, he hasn't solved 7 wars.
All right.
second, he said in his speech, quote, "We have the strongest military anywhere in the world."
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You never heard Biden say that.
Are the wars in Israel and Ukraine more than the United States can take on at the same time?
No, we're the United States of America, god sake, the most powerful nation in the history, not in the world, in the history of the world, the history of the world.
We can take care of both of these and still maintain our overall international defense.
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That's a flat-out lie. 204 00:22:13,639.9999999997672 --> 00:22:14,864 Biden said that all the time.
Kamala Harris said that all the time.
We do have the strongest military in the world.
He's lying.
Then he said Biden tried to shut down the Space Force.
That's not true.
President Biden said, never said he would get rid of the Space Force.
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I don't know where he's getting this from.
Then Donald Trump claimed that Washington, D.C.
was the most dangerous city in America until he fixed it.
That's false.
He said Portland looked like World War II and that it was burning down.
That's false. 217 00:22:56,360.00000000023283 --> 00:23:00,272 He said Biden, President Biden gave Ukraine $350 1000000000.
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That's false.
He even claimed that the Congo opened up prisons and sent people here to the United States as migrants.
False, people.
.00000000023283That did not happen. 222 00:23:17,985.9999999997672 --> 00:23:23,220 President Trump said 300,000 Americans died from drug overdoses last year.
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That is false.
The number is very high, but not that high.
The real number was about a third of that.
President Trump said, quote, "Democrats don't treat veterans and military with respect."
It wasn't Democrats who called veterans suckers and losers.
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And that's not coming from Amy McGrath.
That, that, that's coming from a, a lifelong 4star Marine Corps general.
Y- you think he's lying? 231 00:23:57,139.99999999976717 --> 00:23:57,680 I don't.
Donald Trump told the crowd of generals and admirals, quote, "We had 25 million migrants come in under Biden."
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That is not true.
Donald Trump repeated again that the 2020 election was rigged.
That is false.
This is the point.
In one speech, Donald Trump piled on lie after lie after lie, and most of them were about our military and national security.
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And it's not just sloppy, it is dangerous. 239 00:24:38,139.99999999976717 --> 00:24:44,656 Our country deserves leaders who respect them enough to tell them the truth.
Our troops deserve leaders who respect them enough to tell them the truth. 241 00:24:50,360.00000000023283 --> 00:24:56,752 Our allies need to know that when America speaks, it's based on reality and not fiction. 242 00:24:58,139.99999999976717 --> 00:25:00,016 And our adversaries are watching too.
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They know the truth.
And when they hear these things, they're not intimidated.
They are laughing.
.9999999997672I've said it before and I'll say it again. 247 00:25:11,639.9999999997672 --> 00:25:19,600 Everybody in that room knows we do not have a coherent foreign policy or defense policy right now, and that is the bigger issue.
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Because when truth disappears, so does credibility.
And without credibility, America is way weaker.
And if you don't like what I'm saying, you can leave the room.
Of course, there goes your rank, there goes your future.
Well, here we are yet again, another government shutdown. 253 00:25:37,985.9999999997672 --> 00:25:42,32.00000000023283 The federal government shut down at midnight, September 30th, 2025.
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And for many people, life goes on.
Business as usual.
Not a big deal.
But for a lot of our friends and neighbors, it has real impacts.
And just for the record, I think no member of Congress should get paid during a government shutdown, period.So, who does this hurt?
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.0000000002328It hurts a lot of people. 260 00:26:06,648.0000000002328 --> 00:26:08,828 Uh, a lot of people will be furloughed.
That means they're on leave without pay.
Uh, a lot of other folks who are called essential workers will continue to work, but without pay, okay?
And who are we talking about?
Well, air traffic controllers, for example, they have to work without a paycheck, and anybody that has to work without a paycheck, that adds a ton of stress to your life.
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And air traffic controllers already have a pretty difficult job,
The National Air Traffic Control Association president said that in past shutdowns, some controllers have even had to get side jobs to help pay the bills during these long shutdowns.
The president of the Air Line Pilots Association said, "A shutdown threatens the stability of the safest aviation system in the world."
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So, in my mind, if there is an air traffic control incident during this time, we know who to blame.
This stuff is just completely dumb.
Uh, the military has to continue to work, of course.
They don't get any pay.
Transportation Security Administration, those folks that, that help you in the airport with your security, they're not getting paid.
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They still have to work.
VA, uh, you, you'll still get, if you're a veteran, you'll still get healthcare, but a lot of the VA benefit offices will be closed.
.00000000023283Um, GI benefit assistance offices will be closed. 276 00:27:38,668.0000000002328 --> 00:27:43,128 National Park will have a huge impact on, on our national parks.
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64% of National Parks service employees are gonna be furloughed.
That means if you had a trip to a national park, uh, you might as well not go.
And, and the other problem is y- you might not have a trip to, I don't know, Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, uh, scheduled for October, but a lot of the communities around these national parks, I mean, they, they are dependent on this tourism.
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So, when the parks are shut down and people don't come, all of the community suffers.
Okay?
The House of Representatives Speaker Mike Johnson warned on Monday at the White House that FEMA, quote, "Won't be funded during a shutdown."
That should be interesting as we head into hurricane season.
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.99999999976717Over time during these shutdowns, there's gonna be more and more strain on the services that we need. 285 00:28:36,967.9999999997672 --> 00:28:41,264.00000000023283 So, for example, meat and poultry inspections.
That's pretty important.
You know, those types of things, um, really matter.
I have been and lived in countries where there isn't a whole lot of regulation of food and there isn't a whole lot of inspections.
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And let me just tell you, and you should ask a veteran if they've had any experiences a- with this, but I just gotta tell you, it's not fun.
Okay?
Um, and it's something we rely on here in America, and we should rely on it.
Um, things like mine clearing operations, housing aid, rural development programs, all of that stuff is just gonna be halted and it's terribly wasteful.
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Every time we do this, we waste more taxpayer money.
This costs taxpayers billions of dollars, primarily because you have to pay the furloughed federal workers later on for time that they did not work.
How efficient is that?
The last Trump term, we had a big, long government shutdown, you might remember.
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The Congressional Budget Office during that time, it was over a month, the shutdown, I think, was over a month. 298 00:29:52,833.9999999997672 --> 00:30:07,308 The Congressional Budget Office at that time, CBO, estimated that that shutdown reduced the gross domestic product of the United States of America by 3000000000, a permanent loss to the economy.
And then, we never got that back. 300 00:30:09,378.00000000023283 --> 00:30:09,967.9999999997672 That's what that means. 301 00:30:09,967.9999999997672 --> 00:30:11,568 We never got that three billion dollars back.
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In 2019, there was a Senate report that came out and it calculated that the last 3 shutdowns, we had one in 2013 and in '18 and in '19, wasted nearly four billion dollars in taxpayer money.
A shutdown costs, this was the last time, it's probably gone up now, but the last time we had a shutdown during the first Trump administration, it cost roughly $400 million per day just in compensation for furloughed employees back then.
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So, it amazes me that all this talk within this administration and within Republicans going after fraud, waste and abuse, that these guys continually shoot us in the feet.
This is such a colossal waste of taxpayer money and, m- my thing is you can't be a member of Congress and continue to get paid when the government is shut down.
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If everybody else that works for the government is not being paid, you know, you should not be getting paid.
You could be, like, an essential worker.
Okay, that's fine with me, you be an essential worker, you continue to work but you don't get paid, just like the military.
I think most Americans would agree to that.
Amen.
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But before we go, I have one shout out for you today.
A Polish skier made history as the first person to climb Mount Everest and ski down Mount Everest without an oxygen tank.
This is pretty incredible, and I'm gonna butcher his name, it's, it's Andrzej, uh, Bargzhi or Bargi.
He's from Poland, he's 37 years old, he left the Everest base camp in Nepal on September 19th.
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He climbed through camps one and two and three, and he did a 16-hour climb to camp 4 on September 21st.
Um, that's through the mountain's, quote, "Death zone."
It's about 8,000 meters from sea level, um, where oxygen levels are so low, uh, he, he reached the summit on September 22nd.
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And one of the things y- you can go online and see, there's lots of clips, um, he had some video that he, that people were videoing him while he was doing it.
It's really an incredible achievement and it's unprecedented 'cause it's never been done.
Also, the, the climb that he made to the top of Mount Everest in the fall, apparently that is also, not unprecedented, but highly unusual because it's a very dangerous time.
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So cheers to you, Andrzej, for that incredible feat of climbing Mount Everest and, uh, skiing down without oxygen.
.00000000023283All right, everybody.
That was a great show.
My first that was alone and unafraid here and, um, there's a lot going on.
I hope to, uh, see you again next week.
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Until then, take care.
Hi, everyone.
Welcome to another edition of Truth in the Barrel Unfiltered.
Today, I'm alone and unafraid, talking to you about Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth's bonkers speech this week to 800 generals and admirals that they summoned from all over the world, and we'll also talk about the real impacts of the government shutdown.
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I'm Amy McGrath.
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All right, let's get started.
24 years in the military, I have never seen or heard of anything like this before.
Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, summoned all of the one-star, 2star, 3star, 4star generals from around the world to Quantico, Virginia for a meeting.
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.99999999998545At first, we never knew what the meeting was even about and even the generals and admirals did not know what the meeting was about, which that in and of itself is bonkers.
After a while, and there was criticism about this meeting because nobody knew what it was about, then the president decides he's going to now talk to the generals and admirals.
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Okay.
So, then, they decided to, um, make it live, you know, as, as we do in the Trump era.
Everything is on live TV.
So, the American public got to listen to the secretary of war, the secretary of defense, dress down the 800 generals and admirals, our top folks in the military, followed by a speech from the president.
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.999999999985448And I have to just say both of those speeches were super bizarre.
This was a show.
It was a performance.
It wa- had nothing to do with readiness. 21 00:02:08,419.00000000001455 --> 00:02:12,176.0000000000291 Uh, it didn't make our military more lethal.
It didn't make us, um, safer because none of this was about defense, and the one thing
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.0000000000291Well, there's several things that I took away from this speech.
.0000000000291The biggest one was that there was no talk of any coherent foreign policy at all during this speech.
It was just this rambling mess from not only the secretary of war, uh, but also from the president himself and especially from the president himself.
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.0000000000291So, there's, there's 4 things that I really took away.
1, tons of lies.
.0000000000291Um, the president, as usual, spewed a punch of lies and we're gonna go through those here at the end of this podcast.
The second piece was the blatant politicization of the military in ways that I have never seen, certainly not in my lifetime.
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I don't think
.0000000000291And I'm a, I'm a, somebody that studies history.
I, I can't even think of, of politicization of the military like this in the last 100 years, maybe even in American history.
When the president gets up there and basically gives a political speech to the military, that is politicizing our troops, that is eroding trust in the institution of our military and its leaders, and I have n- I've never seen anything like that than what we saw this week.
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Plus, the third thing is the craziness of, uh, of the president's speech, his talk about, "Oh, your ships and the Navy, you're so ugly.
They're so ugly."
.0000000000291I mean, it's bizarre.
He ranted about the types of paper being used.
I guess he's upset about the, the paper being used, the, the, you know, you get promoted and you get a, a piece of paper that says you're promoted.
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He had a rant about the Department of War, changing the Department of Defense's name to the Department of War and that that somehow is going to be the answer to winning all the wars of the future.
It's laughable, um, and crazy.
I mean, anybody that's been in the national security world knows that that kinda stuff is just bizarre.
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the scariest piece to me was, was not all of that.
We're so used to Donald Trump's lies by now.
Um, we shouldn't be used to 'em, but we are.
Unfortunately, we're getting used to the politicization of the military and the craziness is always around us.
But the scariest piece of the speech was Donald Trump's words of using the military to fight this, quote, "invasion from within."
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You hear this on the campaign trail a lot, this, "We've been invaded from within," but to say it to the military, implying that the military then will be used to go after enemies inside our country, meaning Americans, using our cities, he said, as training grounds for the military, that, to me, was a WTF moment.
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That is not what we do in America.
That is not what we do with our military.
And when I heard that, that was like, "Okay, this, this isn't just a crazy bizarre speech.
This is really scary," okay?
And now if you take a step back, just bringing-All of those 800 generals and admirals to one place was an unnecessary security risk.
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I've talked about that.
It's expensive, it's disruptive.
It was a complete waste, right before a government shutdown.
Right before a government shutdown.
You would think that the President would be trying to negotiate at that point, and not going all the way to Quantico to give this just bizarre speech.
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.0000000000582Um, why is it a big operational security risk?
You don't bring the top generals and admirals, the leaders of your military, all into one spot.
It's like Military 101.
From a military perspective, it's dumb, right?
Um, it's just a security risk.
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It's an unnecessary security risk.
In all of the wars that we've had in the last 24, 30 years, um, we have instituted secure methods of communicating.
We spent a lot of money to have this technology precisely so that we would never have to bring all of these generals and admirals together in one spot, precisely so they wouldn't have to travel this way.
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So, um, if you're gonna bring everybody together, you don't tell the world you're doing it.
That's also kind of like a, a red flag.
It's also very expensive, flying everyone back here, um, when this administration keeps talking about fraud, waste, and abuse, and wasteful spending, and, "We need to cut spending," this was just
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The stuff that was said could have been sent in an email, at least the, the speech from the Secretary of Defense.
And Trump's speech, I mean, uh, he could have done it on, on TV and made the top commanders watch it.
I mean, I, I don't, I don't know what to tell you.
Very expensive.
And disruptive.
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When you have the top commanders in places like Korea, Japan, the Middle East, Europe, somewhere on aircraft carriers in the Pacific, and you bring them away from their post, you're bringing them away from exercises, away from their job, away from defending us in places like the Pacific.
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Those positions are extremely important for deterring our enemies.
.9999999999418Uh, and bringing them here is just like, our enemies are completely laughing at us right now. 77 00:08:35,892.0000000000582 --> 00:08:59,184 Beyond that, the actual talk from the Secretary of War, I'll just start with that, is super humiliating to the 800 generals and admirals who are all more experienced at actually being a warrior than Pete Hegseth.
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.999999999883585It is a slap in the face coming from someone who has way less experience than all these guys and women, um, and coming from a man who
.9999999998836I'm pretty sure most of these admirals and generals do not respect.
I wanna just talk a little bit about the whole standards thing, because Pete Hegseth, our Secretary of War, made a big show in his speech about talking about returning to the, quote, "male standard for combat jobs."
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.99999999988358And all the generals and admirals sat there and listened to him.
And the American people got to hear him say this, and it, and it's
.99999999988358We've also heard it in his nomination hearing, and he's talked about it, um, a lot.
.9999999998836And there's not enough pushback to it, because what he says and what he implies is just not true.
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So, when Pete Hegseth talks about returning to the male standard for combat jobs, I have to tell you, that actually really gets under my skin, because I know a lot about this subject.
I've lived it.
.9999999998836And so, I'm gonna talk to you about what combat standards actually are.
And here's the truth.
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Since combat roles have been opened to women, there have always been only one standard for those jobs.
Okay?
I'll start with when combat jobs were first opened to women, and this was 1993.
This directly affected me, because prior to 1993, I was in high school.
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I wanted to fly fighter jets.
I couldn't do it because there was a federal law and Department of Defense policy that said women couldn't do these things.
Not because we were not qualified, not because the jet would turn pink, but because we're women and we, we were not allowed to do it.
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.9999999998836In 1993, we had a new administration and we had a new Congress and th- the Congress rescinded that law, and the new administration came in and changed the policy withi- within the Department of Defense to allow all aircraft, all aircraft, not just 97 00:11:33,819.9999999998836 --> 00:11:37,300 You know, prior to 1993, women could fly in the military.
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They just couldn't fly fighter jets.
Okay?
They could fly cargo.
They could fly helicopters.
They couldn't fly pretty much anything with a gun that was considered combat, anything with a gun.
So, after 1993, the Department of Defense changed that, and now all fighter jets were open. 104 00:11:59,180.00000000011642 --> 00:12:04,980 S- since that point, there were not women's standards and men's standards for fighter jets.
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It was all one standard.
You had to meet the requirements.
And this has been true for artillery, for tanks, for submarines as well.
So over time, different things opened up.
So in 1993, aircraft were opened up, combat surface ships were opened up, but a lot was still closed.
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Submarines were still closed in the 1990s to women, and what is also called the ground combat arms, so that's your artillery, tanks, combat engineers, infantry, that was still closed.
In 2010, submarines were then opened up to women, and again, no standards were lowered.
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The standards were the same.
For submariners, you had to be really smart.
You had to meet all kinds of academic requirements to be in subs.
And then, in, in 2016, the last bastion of the combat arms, the ground combat arms is what we call it, that was opened up.
That's artillery, tanks, infantry, that kind of thing.
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Now, in that timeframe, there's a lot of controversy around the ground combat arms being opened up.
And so, what the services figured out, the Army and the Marine Corps particularly figured out, is they didn't really have any standards for those jobs.
The only standard was you, you're a man and you get that MOS, you get that job.
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Bam, go do it.
.0000000001164With the arrival of women into those jobs, prior to 2016, lots of people looked at this and said, "We gotta have some standards."
.0000000001164And so they developed standards that everybody had to meet to become an artilleryman, to become a tanker, to become an infantryman. 123 00:14:07,930.0000000001164 --> 00:14:09,392 They developed these standards.
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And guess what happened?
Some men ma- met the standard, and some men didn't.
Some women met the standard, and some women didn't.
Saying standards were lowered is an insult to every woman and man who has served and met those standards that, since they had the standards, have always been equal.
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Pete Hegseth continues to lie. 129 00:14:37,839.9999999998836 --> 00:14:38,319.9999999998836 All right?
There is some confusion around this issue still, and the confusion lies around what are called administrative standards.
Administrative standards are standards that measure health and fitness.
It's based on age. 133 00:14:55,660.0000000001164 --> 00:14:58,780 It's based on height and weight, for example.
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.0000000001164Okay? 135 00:14:59,660.0000000001164 --> 00:15:03,056 Some of those are based on gender, and I'll talk about this.
They're not the same as combat job standards.
All the combat job standards have always been the same from day one.
I will explain.
Now, if Pete Hegseth wants to make everyone in the Armed Forces all run the same speed and do the same number of pull-ups as a 21-year-old man, that's fine.
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But I would ask you this.
Do we really need to weed out that very talented medic, that linguist, that computer programmer, that radar specialist who can't do 20 pull-ups at an annual fitness test?
.00000000011642Why is Pete Hegseth just fine with having different standards for age?
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.9999999998836Shouldn't we make that 50-year-old colonel meet the same standards as the 20-year-old?
Of course not, unless you're really dumb.
.0000000001164Admin fitness standards measure overall health. 146 00:16:09,665.9999999998836 --> 00:16:12,400.0000000001164 the health of your body, okay?
That's why you have different standards based, uh, on weight, for example, weight and height and gender.
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Why?
.0000000001164Because a healthy 5'6" woman wouldn't weigh 200 pounds, but a 6'1" man might very well weigh 200 pounds, and they both might be healthy, okay, because it's a measure of health.
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.99999999988358That's it. 151 00:16:43,415.9999999998836 --> 00:16:48,656 So run times are a measure of health, all right?
That's how the- the military looks at it.
It's not a measure of battlefield performance.
Those standards of battlefield performance that are combat standards that Pete Hegseth keeps talking about are set by the job itself. 155 00:17:06,195.99999999988358 --> 00:17:11,088 So if you're in the infantry, you have a set across the board standard for training. 156 00:17:11,735.9999999998836 --> 00:17:23,796 If you are an artilleryman, you have a set across the board standard to be able to lift 100-pound artillery round or a certain amount of 100-pound artillery rounds within a certain time.
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And everybody has to meet that standard whether you're a man or a woman, whether you're 40 years old or 20 years old.
Everybody has to meet that standard.
.00000000023283If you're a pilot, you've got to be able to swim one mile in under 80 minutes while wearing an entire flight suit and gear.
Whether you're a man or a woman, you gotta be able to do it.
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Whether you're 6'3" or 5'3", gotta be able to do it. 162 00:17:50,505.99999999976717 --> 00:17:51,568 It's one standard.
Um, when you're a- a pilot, you have to be able to jump off of a 12-foot tower and then do an underwater swim for 15 yards.
It's- it's a requirement.
.9999999997672It doesn't matter whether you're a man or woman or Black, white, uh, how old you are. 166 00:18:08,755.9999999997672 --> 00:18:10,755.9999999997672 You have to be able to do that standard. 167 00:18:10,755.9999999997672 --> 00:18:15,216 Those are combat job-specific standards, and they are all equal.
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So saying standards for combat are lowered- were lowered for women is just not true at all.
And if you want to change all of the standards for the military, including height, weight, um, a- and all of the PT standards that we do as a measure of health and fitness for everyone, in my mind, is not making the military more lethal, because you're weeding out talent. 170 00:18:49,255.99999999976717 --> 00:18:57,712 Our military doesn't exist, uh, with just a bunch of- of- of 6'1", uh, you know, guys that kick in doors. 171 00:18:58,456.00000000023283 --> 00:19:03,760 That may be what people think, but our military exists of lots of different people.
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We need- we need linguists, as I mentioned.
.9999999997672We need people that- that know how to call in for air support. 174 00:19:10,775.9999999997672 --> 00:19:12,636 We need people who are computer programs.
We need, we need people who can speak several languages.
All of those people need to be healthy and fit for who they are in the military, all right, to do their jobs.
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.9999999997672So again, I think it's a complete insult to say that we have lowered standards, and it's just not true. 178 00:19:33,525.9999999997672 --> 00:19:41,648 And I don't know where he's going with this other than just trying to, I guess, weed out all women from the military.
So I wanna spend some time right now again on Donald Trump's speech to the, um, 800 generals and admirals that he gave at Quantico.
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It was bonkers, and what we'd heard from Trump was a rambling, uh, set of craziness, politicization of the military, and a ton of lies. 181 00:20:04,275.99999999976717 --> 00:20:05,936 Uh, and here's the problem.
We've gotten so used to these lies that we stopped calling them out.
And there's so many of them, they just come one after another after another.
(20:18):
But because I spent 20 years, um, in the Marine Corps, 24 years in uniform, I wanna walk through some of these lies, particularly as they pertain to our national security and our military.
Because these lies aren't harmless.
They're about our national security and truth does matter, or it should.
(20:39):
And not enough time is spent anymore pushing back on the lies because we're all just so used to him spewing out, um, false things.
So, I'm gonna go through some of these things because I don't want you to walk away thinking that any of this is even halfway true.
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All right?
So during his speech, Trump claimed that, "I have settled so many wars since we're here.
We're almost 9 months in and I've settled seven, and yesterday we might have settled the biggest of them all."
.9999999997672That's false.
He hasn't settled 7 wars, not even close.
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I did an entire segment on this show, on this podcast outlining all of the 7 wars he said he solved and why that claim is false.
So I'm not gonna go through it all, but you should go back and check it out because it, it is false.
We, we, he hasn't solved 7 wars.
All right.
second, he said in his speech, quote, "We have the strongest military anywhere in the world."
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You never heard Biden say that.
Are the wars in Israel and Ukraine more than the United States can take on at the same time?
No, we're the United States of America, god sake, the most powerful nation in the history, not in the world, in the history of the world, the history of the world.
We can take care of both of these and still maintain our overall international defense.
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That's a flat-out lie. 204 00:22:13,639.9999999997672 --> 00:22:14,864 Biden said that all the time.
Kamala Harris said that all the time.
We do have the strongest military in the world.
He's lying.
Then he said Biden tried to shut down the Space Force.
That's not true.
President Biden said, never said he would get rid of the Space Force.
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I don't know where he's getting this from.
Then Donald Trump claimed that Washington, D.C.
was the most dangerous city in America until he fixed it.
That's false.
He said Portland looked like World War II and that it was burning down.
That's false. 217 00:22:56,360.00000000023283 --> 00:23:00,272 He said Biden, President Biden gave Ukraine $350 1000000000.
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That's false.
He even claimed that the Congo opened up prisons and sent people here to the United States as migrants.
False, people.
.00000000023283That did not happen. 222 00:23:17,985.9999999997672 --> 00:23:23,220 President Trump said 300,000 Americans died from drug overdoses last year.
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That is false.
The number is very high, but not that high.
The real number was about a third of that.
President Trump said, quote, "Democrats don't treat veterans and military with respect."
It wasn't Democrats who called veterans suckers and losers.
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And that's not coming from Amy McGrath.
That, that, that's coming from a, a lifelong 4star Marine Corps general.
Y- you think he's lying? 231 00:23:57,139.99999999976717 --> 00:23:57,680 I don't.
Donald Trump told the crowd of generals and admirals, quote, "We had 25 million migrants come in under Biden."
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That is not true.
Donald Trump repeated again that the 2020 election was rigged.
That is false.
This is the point.
In one speech, Donald Trump piled on lie after lie after lie, and most of them were about our military and national security.
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And it's not just sloppy, it is dangerous. 239 00:24:38,139.99999999976717 --> 00:24:44,656 Our country deserves leaders who respect them enough to tell them the truth.
Our troops deserve leaders who respect them enough to tell them the truth. 241 00:24:50,360.00000000023283 --> 00:24:56,752 Our allies need to know that when America speaks, it's based on reality and not fiction. 242 00:24:58,139.99999999976717 --> 00:25:00,016 And our adversaries are watching too.
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They know the truth.
And when they hear these things, they're not intimidated.
They are laughing.
.9999999997672I've said it before and I'll say it again. 247 00:25:11,639.9999999997672 --> 00:25:19,600 Everybody in that room knows we do not have a coherent foreign policy or defense policy right now, and that is the bigger issue.
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Because when truth disappears, so does credibility.
And without credibility, America is way weaker.
And if you don't like what I'm saying, you can leave the room.
Of course, there goes your rank, there goes your future.
Well, here we are yet again, another government shutdown. 253 00:25:37,985.9999999997672 --> 00:25:42,32.00000000023283 The federal government shut down at midnight, September 30th, 2025.
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And for many people, life goes on.
Business as usual.
Not a big deal.
But for a lot of our friends and neighbors, it has real impacts.
And just for the record, I think no member of Congress should get paid during a government shutdown, period.So, who does this hurt?
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.0000000002328It hurts a lot of people. 260 00:26:06,648.0000000002328 --> 00:26:08,828 Uh, a lot of people will be furloughed.
That means they're on leave without pay.
Uh, a lot of other folks who are called essential workers will continue to work, but without pay, okay?
And who are we talking about?
Well, air traffic controllers, for example, they have to work without a paycheck, and anybody that has to work without a paycheck, that adds a ton of stress to your life.
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And air traffic controllers already have a pretty difficult job,
The National Air Traffic Control Association president said that in past shutdowns, some controllers have even had to get side jobs to help pay the bills during these long shutdowns.
The president of the Air Line Pilots Association said, "A shutdown threatens the stability of the safest aviation system in the world."
(26:59):
So, in my mind, if there is an air traffic control incident during this time, we know who to blame.
This stuff is just completely dumb.
Uh, the military has to continue to work, of course.
They don't get any pay.
Transportation Security Administration, those folks that, that help you in the airport with your security, they're not getting paid.
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They still have to work.
VA, uh, you, you'll still get, if you're a veteran, you'll still get healthcare, but a lot of the VA benefit offices will be closed.
.00000000023283Um, GI benefit assistance offices will be closed. 276 00:27:38,668.0000000002328 --> 00:27:43,128 National Park will have a huge impact on, on our national parks.
(27:43):
64% of National Parks service employees are gonna be furloughed.
That means if you had a trip to a national park, uh, you might as well not go.
And, and the other problem is y- you might not have a trip to, I don't know, Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, uh, scheduled for October, but a lot of the communities around these national parks, I mean, they, they are dependent on this tourism.
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So, when the parks are shut down and people don't come, all of the community suffers.
Okay?
The House of Representatives Speaker Mike Johnson warned on Monday at the White House that FEMA, quote, "Won't be funded during a shutdown."
That should be interesting as we head into hurricane season.
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.99999999976717Over time during these shutdowns, there's gonna be more and more strain on the services that we need. 285 00:28:36,967.9999999997672 --> 00:28:41,264.00000000023283 So, for example, meat and poultry inspections.
That's pretty important.
You know, those types of things, um, really matter.
I have been and lived in countries where there isn't a whole lot of regulation of food and there isn't a whole lot of inspections.
(28:56):
And let me just tell you, and you should ask a veteran if they've had any experiences a- with this, but I just gotta tell you, it's not fun.
Okay?
Um, and it's something we rely on here in America, and we should rely on it.
Um, things like mine clearing operations, housing aid, rural development programs, all of that stuff is just gonna be halted and it's terribly wasteful.
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Every time we do this, we waste more taxpayer money.
This costs taxpayers billions of dollars, primarily because you have to pay the furloughed federal workers later on for time that they did not work.
How efficient is that?
The last Trump term, we had a big, long government shutdown, you might remember.
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The Congressional Budget Office during that time, it was over a month, the shutdown, I think, was over a month. 298 00:29:52,833.9999999997672 --> 00:30:07,308 The Congressional Budget Office at that time, CBO, estimated that that shutdown reduced the gross domestic product of the United States of America by 3000000000, a permanent loss to the economy.
And then, we never got that back. 300 00:30:09,378.00000000023283 --> 00:30:09,967.9999999997672 That's what that means. 301 00:30:09,967.9999999997672 --> 00:30:11,568 We never got that three billion dollars back.
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In 2019, there was a Senate report that came out and it calculated that the last 3 shutdowns, we had one in 2013 and in '18 and in '19, wasted nearly four billion dollars in taxpayer money.
A shutdown costs, this was the last time, it's probably gone up now, but the last time we had a shutdown during the first Trump administration, it cost roughly $400 million per day just in compensation for furloughed employees back then.
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So, it amazes me that all this talk within this administration and within Republicans going after fraud, waste and abuse, that these guys continually shoot us in the feet.
This is such a colossal waste of taxpayer money and, m- my thing is you can't be a member of Congress and continue to get paid when the government is shut down.
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If everybody else that works for the government is not being paid, you know, you should not be getting paid.
You could be, like, an essential worker.
Okay, that's fine with me, you be an essential worker, you continue to work but you don't get paid, just like the military.
I think most Americans would agree to that.
Amen.
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But before we go, I have one shout out for you today.
A Polish skier made history as the first person to climb Mount Everest and ski down Mount Everest without an oxygen tank.
This is pretty incredible, and I'm gonna butcher his name, it's, it's Andrzej, uh, Bargzhi or Bargi.
He's from Poland, he's 37 years old, he left the Everest base camp in Nepal on September 19th.
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He climbed through camps one and two and three, and he did a 16-hour climb to camp 4 on September 21st.
Um, that's through the mountain's, quote, "Death zone."
It's about 8,000 meters from sea level, um, where oxygen levels are so low, uh, he, he reached the summit on September 22nd.
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And one of the things y- you can go online and see, there's lots of clips, um, he had some video that he, that people were videoing him while he was doing it.
It's really an incredible achievement and it's unprecedented 'cause it's never been done.
Also, the, the climb that he made to the top of Mount Everest in the fall, apparently that is also, not unprecedented, but highly unusual because it's a very dangerous time.
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So cheers to you, Andrzej, for that incredible feat of climbing Mount Everest and, uh, skiing down without oxygen.
.00000000023283All right, everybody.
That was a great show.
My first that was alone and unafraid here and, um, there's a lot going on.
I hope to, uh, see you again next week.
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Until then, take care.
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