August 24, 2025 • 67 mins
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Episode Summary
In this powerful episode, I sit down with Robyn Harris, founder of W·I·L·D® Wellbeing, to explore her remarkable journey from disconnection and health struggles to healing, joy, and purpose.
Robyn shares openly about growing up in Belfast during the Troubles, living through stress, illness, and burnout, and the wake-up calls that led her to Reiki, EFT, and ultimately Metaconsciousness. She explains how symptoms are not random malfunctions but messages from the body — guiding us toward balance and freedom when we learn to listen.
We dive into her experiences of unplugging from a life that no longer served her, reconnecting with nature and animals, and building a wellbeing practice that empowers others to heal and thrive. This is a conversation about courage, forgiveness, and becoming unstoppable.
💡 Key Takeaways
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Life is designed for joy, connection, and community.
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Stress often stems from lack of control.
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Symptoms are signals — the body is communicating, not failing.
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Forgiveness sets us free and creates space for healing.
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Metaconsciousness reframes illness as information.
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Nature, stillness, and intuition restore balance.
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True transformation is possible through self-discovery.
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Community and compassion are vital in the healing journey.
⏱️ Episode Chapters
00:00 – Journey of Connection and Disconnection
03:37 – Health Struggles and Wake-Up Calls
11:28 – Beyond Conventional Medicine
18:17 – Reconnecting with Purpose and Community
23:18 – Building a Wellbeing Business
24:43 – Understanding Metaconsciousness
30:54 – Listening to the Body’s Wisdom
33:32 – The Power of Forgiveness
36:27 – Stress and Its Physical Manifestations
41:47 – Working with Clients: A Session Overview
51:55 – Future Aspirations and Support Networks
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Episode Transcript
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Welcome back to the podcast. I'm delighted to have with me today Robin Harris, who lives not far from the Brecon Beacons, just north of Abagaveni. And so Robin, welcome to the podcast. 4 00:00:24,8310 --> 00:00:03,000 Thank you so much, Robin. I'm really delighted to be here and excited to see where this conversation might take us. 5 00:00:31,5980 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, absolutely. Now we had a little bit of chat before we jumped on camera and a little bit last week. And I just know that your story is going to be so powerful to those who are really feeling stuck and, and maybe some people are suffering with some health issues possibly. And you know, those that really looking for a positive direction and new direction, because I think when I start to ask you about your past, you've come from, there's going to be some real power in that journey. So
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Gosh, how far back do want me to go? I think it really started when I was a child. And I grew up in Belfast during the Troubles. They started the year I was born, not my fault, honestly. And I think reflecting on this before today, it's hard to say when you look back just what was going on in your head when you were a child. But I know that I had a strong sense that...
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Yes. 8 00:03:03,7090 --> 00:00:03,000 And my mum worked as a radiographer in one of the local hospitals and she said, you have to stop talking like this because you are going to get yourself in serious trouble. But I also remember walking on the peace marches and campaigning for peace. then to do that with my mum and then at home to be told, but don't speak out. It was conflicting information. was a... 9 00:04:10,2940 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 10 00:04:22,1330 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay.
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Okay. 12 00:04:30,5130 --> 00:00:03,000 All fine, all fine, keep going. And had lost that sense of connection and joy. And then carry on a few years further down the line and I was experiencing a lot of health niggles. was borderline for a lot of conditions. I was heading towards burnout and having already had ME, I thought I've got to do something. I've got to do something really serious. Turn things around. 13 00:04:47,5630 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 14 00:04:57,2130 --> 00:00:03,000 And my husband said to me, you've had a sense of humor bypass. And I got really scared that I was going to lose that marriage as well. So I, it was a wake up call. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It felt like a kick up the behind. And so I realized my life was full of stress and I wasn't dealing with it. So I needed something for me and I decided to study Reiki. 15 00:05:02,5710 --> 00:00:03,000 Wow. That's a wake up call. And was that your second marriage? Yeah. Okay.
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Okay. 17 00:05:24,7010 --> 00:00:03,000 which led me in a rather securitas route back to connection and animals and nature. And then I studied EFT with one of your earlier guests, Sam Neffendorf. And then went on to through a lot of synchronous connections to study the thing that really changed, rocked my world, changed my world, got me into all sorts of exciting things like quantum.
Okay. 19 00:05:37,6850 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes lovely that's awesome. 20 00:05:53,8970 --> 00:00:03,000 quantum world and that's meta consciousness and it's all of the things that I learned along that journey that it's our perception it's how we look at the world and when we change that as Wayne Dyer said everything else changes and we get to do that when we unplug thinking of that unplugged and unstoppable when we unplug from the beliefs that aren't serving us that we've maybe 21 00:05:56,5140 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. Wow. 22 00:06:14,5710 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay, so that's. 23 00:06:23,2310 --> 00:00:03,000 kind of got into a rut with, when we unplug from that habit and start doing more conscious creation of the habits we want and the life that we want, we can do that. We can change everything. 24 00:06:26,4450 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 25 00:06:35,9380 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes.
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I was a sign language interpreter and I was living in Bristol at that time. I had trained in Bristol and actually initially when I finished my training, my first job with my fiance at the time, we moved to Kent and I worked for an organisation for deaf people in Kent as an interpreter. So I would travel the whole of that county and that was really challenging because neither of us knew anybody in Kent. 27 00:07:12,5340 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 28 00:07:23,9030 --> 00:00:03,000 and his job kept him very busy. He didn't drive and my job had me travelling the whole of the county at all hours of the day, right up to sort of 9, 10, 11 o'clock at night, starting then the next morning at 9 o'clock. We just had no time, no time together, no time to make friends and it was very difficult. And then his dad died. So we moved back to Bristol. His mum lived in Portishead. We moved back to Bristol. 29 00:08:22,6370 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 30 00:08:22,8470 --> 00:00:03,000 And that nearly broke me. And that was a large part of what led.
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Really, what was the cause of the stress at Bristol Uni? 32 00:08:33,1190 --> 00:00:03,000 partly because I was the only interpreter and there were 10 deaf people and I was supposed to be interpreting for all of them but they were all doing different things at different times. And it was also down to funding and down to my manager and how, and also the university's relationship to the department, they didn't really like it and eventually they closed it and got rid of it. So there's a whole lot of factors.
wow. 34 00:08:55,8850 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay so it was a kind of a kind of unwanted department and was your boss a supportive sort of guy or girl? No. Okay tell us a little bit about that. 35 00:09:04,2630 --> 00:00:03,000 No. No he wasn't. 36 00:09:09,5030 --> 00:00:03,000 One example is that because I was an interpreter, I had to be hidden from everybody else because I would be potentially making private phone calls and nobody else should be able to see. Never mind the fact that everybody else in the office was hearing so they'd hear me anyway if I was voicing over for a deaf person. So because I was in a shared office, they put up barriers around my desk and I had to sit in there all day long every day. 37 00:09:31,2130 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 38 00:09:39,3830 --> 00:00:03,000 and another person in the department said that's abuse, that's cruelty to be stuck in isolation effectively all day long and it was like the wall was there and the wall was there there was no more space for me because of all these barriers up around so that nobody could see me but the others could hear me so it didn't make sense so she went and spoke to the head of the department and said you cannot do that take those down and they came down the very same day but 39 00:09:48,7370 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, absolutely. 40 00:10:08,5290 --> 00:00:03,000 It was that I didn't feel able to say that myself and that somebody had to point out the fact that that was like putting me in isolation, which as we know, isolation is one of, I mean, they use it for prisoners as a don't they? That that is one of the worst things that can be done to a human being. We're a social species. If we choose to go off on our own, that's fine, but it's being enforced. 41 00:10:27,7250 --> 00:00:03,000 course. 42 00:10:36,2890 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. Yes. 43 00:10:37,5110 --> 00:00:03,000 and feeling like it's a punishment, you've done something wrong, therefore go and sit like putting you in the corner. 44 00:10:45,4850 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. And picking up on something you said earlier, which is I had all these different clients doing different things at different times. That's a recipe for massive stress because you've got no control over it. And, it is when you feel like you're in control, the stress goes, but if you can't keep a control over it, it's constant throwing wildcards at you, which you can only do for a short period. Can't you? Yeah. So I can. 45 00:10:45,8830 --> 00:00:03,000 and thinking of something that's 46 00:11:01,8750 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 47 00:11:11,2290 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, firefighting all of the time. And it's that idea of the demand control schema. When the demands placed upon you are higher than the control that you feel you have, the choices, the ability to change your situation, then that's overwhelm. That's stress. And that's where I was. 48 00:11:22,4760 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 49 00:11:28,1610 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, of course. Of course. So you carried all of this stress into the next phase of your life and you obviously met your husband today and, you know, I guess, were there any lessons that you took from that moment to the moment he said you've lost your sense of humour or were you still kind of treading water all the way through? 50 00:11:51,1770 --> 00:00:03,000 There was a crossover between the first husband and the second husband during this period of three years where I was working at that department. And so I was still in that stress when he said the second husband said that to me. But that was, there was an added stress because the funding came from Access to Work and they were saying, well, we're not going to fund it anymore. And the university were saying, well, we can't fund it. 51 00:13:11,6710 --> 00:00:03,000 interesting. 52 00:13:19,8610 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. And give us some insight as to what changes you had to make given your husband's quite startling announcement about you losing your sense of humour. What did you do as a result?
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That was when I... Well, first of all, I went to the doctor because that's what you do, isn't it? If you're not feeling very well, if you're struggling, you go to the doctor. And also I knew that the doctor couldn't help me. That wasn't the kind of help I needed, but I had to prove this. I had to be able to say to people, I've done everything. I wasn't in victimhood at all. So... 54 00:15:28,9290 --> 00:00:03,000 the same when I had yeah I felt the same when I had a counselor in my early 20s I went to see someone for anxious depression and all they were doing is just echoing how I felt and I thought I'm just carrying this amplified out of each session it's very friendly it's very nice but does it actually like you say provide the answers and in the end after about four sessions I stopped so tell us tell us what happened next 55 00:15:42,1210 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. 56 00:15:55,8490 --> 00:00:03,000 So having proved to myself that the medication and the counselling weren't going to work, I thought, what can I do? I have tried everything. You know that phrase that we get to that point of, I've tried everything, nothing's working. And I felt it was me. If I've tried everything and I've done what the doctors told me to do, it must be me. I'm the problem. So I decided. 57 00:17:22,6690 --> 00:00:03,000 And you talk about a specialism, does this mean you become a certified Reiki practitioner? Is that what it is for both people and... is it equine? Was it horses? 58 00:17:34,9810 --> 00:00:03,000 It was first of all with the Healing Trust. I'd done my Reiki and been qualified with the Reiki Federation in the UK and then I qualified with the Healing Trust. That's Energy Healing. It's the same kind of thing as far as I'm concerned, but they are two separate organisations and they call what they do separate names. And then I did Energy Healing with small animals. So I got a diploma qualification in that and then 59 00:18:08,6950 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay, so I'm guessing that all of this qualification is now set an intention to go and do something more, I wouldn't call it productive because helping in theory, translation services is a very beautiful thing. But what I'm hearing you say is the authority's way of organizing that discipline was horrendous and you needed a break or some way of getting out of that way of working. 60 00:18:38,1430 --> 00:00:03,000 Absolutely. Also there was the fact that I think initially when I went into interpreting I was thinking this is a way to make the playing field even because deaf people have a pretty rough time. They don't have a voice by and large in our community. So I thought being an interpreter gave them the opportunity to have that voice. But I discovered it doesn't. You just go in there as the little token and you might be 61 00:18:49,6760 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 62 00:18:56,3950 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 63 00:19:00,2790 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 64 00:19:06,5890 --> 00:00:03,000 voicing what a deaf person is saying, you might be giving them access to what's being said in English through sign language, but it hasn't even the playing field. They're still where they were before because nothing else has changed. The whole attitudes, perceptions, they're all the same. 65 00:19:20,9090 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, and I'm sure that he...
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Yes, and I'm sure even with the best will in the world, the timing of the scheduling of appointments and conversations quite often didn't work with their schedule either, so it was a bit of a challenge. 67 00:19:36,3270 --> 00:00:03,000 or their culture, there was no allowance for what's a deaf person's way of seeing the world or the fact that a deaf person has a lot to offer because they were just, well, you can have your say, but nobody's listening to you any more than they were before, really. That's a huge generalisation. But if I can just give you a quick example, I was with one of the top people in our department at, I think it was a Dean's Soiree kind of a thing. 68 00:19:46,9250 --> 00:00:03,000 100%. 69 00:19:52,8550 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 70 00:20:05,6930 --> 00:00:03,000 and the Dean came over to speak with a person who was high up in our department because that's what you do. And I'm there interpreting between the two and then somebody came up and spoke to the Dean and the Dean just turned away and walked off. No excuse me, something has come up, nothing, just having a conversation, gone. And I turned to the deaf person with my jaw scraping the floor and he just said, yeah, that's perfectly normal. 71 00:20:39,1910 --> 00:00:03,000 You know what? Yeah. Do you know what? It actually makes me kind of re makes me feel that the online business space that I operate in, there's an amazing opportunity to help serve that community. Like I bet you there's some real creatives out there who'd love to start an online business, but I'm just thinking from my own lens. let's... 72 00:21:38,8950 --> 00:00:03,000 I think I had been asking questions as a child and then got shut down for asking those questions so maybe it was a reconnection with that and I think what really did it for me was the whole well-being because I still had somewhere deep inside me that belief that well we're supposed to be here for joy we're supposed to be here for connection. Where is it? Nobody is talking about it in my world. 73 00:21:50,2950 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 74 00:22:03,6170 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 75 00:22:08,3470 --> 00:00:03,000 Nobody is teaching it and showing how to and I'm feeling very frustrated. I'm feeling like I'm the lone person who's looking for this. Where is it? And I think it was that. It was that question deep inside of me that I just wasn't getting answers to that I had to go and search for. 76 00:22:33,4630 --> 00:00:03,000 Were you? 77 00:23:01,8630 --> 00:00:03,000 As a child I was always asking, why is it like this? Why do people not get on? These different camps allegedly, Catholics and Protestants, we're just people living on this space. Why can't we get on? What's all this fighting about? It doesn't make sense. Why are we always looking at history rather than just, and that's not to say there's no place for looking at history, but why do we always have to drag up the old 78 00:23:07,6920 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 79 00:23:16,6180 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 80 00:23:24,2470 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes, today. 81 00:23:31,5930 --> 00:00:03,000 bitter arguments and anger and hatred rather than seeing that we have more in common than we have different. And why are animals seen as being lesser? And why does nobody seem to think about the environment and love it and be out in it and enjoy it? And why are we all so miserable? Why is life so grey when I think we're here to be full of colour and variety? I lived 82 00:23:34,7970 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. Okay.
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Ultimately, yes. 84 00:24:00,9970 --> 00:00:03,000 in Belfast in the 70s and 80s. Every face was white. I loved being, you know, seeing different places, mostly in UK, where there were multicultural groups of people. And I first went to university in Manchester and there's the Curry Mile in Manchester in Rush Home. And I loved it. You could see people and obviously being in a university in the UK as well. Lots of people from all over. 85 00:24:12,9830 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 86 00:24:30,7830 --> 00:00:03,000 coming together. I thought it was so rich and great sharing. I loved that. 87 00:24:39,1460 --> 00:00:03,000 So I'm guessing by the time we hit 2020, were you like on high alert? you realise something wasn't quite right when the whole kind pandemic thing started? 88 00:24:53,7910 --> 00:00:03,000 Not specifically about that. Generically about well-being, think, because having... I'd already come across metaconsciousness by that point. It wasn't given that name at the time, but it's all about the fact that any symptoms we experience, be they cognitive, emotional, physical, they're just information.
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Okay. 90 00:25:07,5640 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 91 00:25:20,6050 --> 00:00:03,000 Our body's seeking to communicate with us all the time and it's seeking to tell us, this is what works for me, this doesn't work for me, let's follow the stuff that works and let's move away from the stuff that doesn't. So it's sending us these little signals all the time and we may experience those as symptoms. In our mostly Western allopathic medical system, if you feel pain, what do do? You take a pill, you try to get rid of that pain. 92 00:26:13,9970 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 93 00:26:18,3230 --> 00:00:03,000 for all of those niggling experiences I was having, I realised, my body's just talking to me. If I listened, if I learnt, but nobody's teaching us how to listen. And that was where I was rather than specifically about the pandemic. 94 00:26:31,3930 --> 00:00:03,000 Understood 95 00:26:36,6810 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, of course. Okay. So going, going back then to your husband's giving you the wake up call, you've left, you're leaving in stages by the sound of this work. Did you pick up and start a Reiki business whilst doing the working with the deaf community still on a freelance basis? 96 00:26:58,1410 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes, while doing the freelance work, yes, I was still freelance interpreting and I was setting up a wellbeing business at that point,
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Excellent. So it's a trombone. 98 00:27:08,8450 --> 00:00:03,000 brilliant because I'm keen to share with people how you do unplug from a mainstream world. You know, what are the key milestones? How do you get there? And for most is you've got to do a side hustle for a bit and you've got to transition out. And sometimes if you're lucky enough to have freelance work, you can have gaps in that freelance work or take more breaks or drop to four days, then three, then two. 99 00:27:32,3830 --> 00:00:03,000 No. 100 00:27:35,7350 --> 00:00:03,000 Did you have any kind of transition like that and how did you get your business truly up and running? 101 00:27:42,1510 --> 00:00:03,000 It's been, so my business, formed a limited company in 2013 and it's changed so much since then. Cause I've, you know, if other people, think will probably feel you're a practitioner of any kind will resonate with the fact that it's shiny object, shiny object. Let me just learn that. And I've learned that and I'll add that to my tool kit. And so yes, it's changed quite a lot over. 102 00:29:00,5250 --> 00:00:03,000 We'll have to set up a follow-up meeting. I'd love to explore business opportunities if you can see how we might be able to empower the more entrepreneurial people in that community. That would be a lovely thing to be able to do. 103 00:29:14,4090 --> 00:00:03,000 There are a lot now, particularly with the younger age group. Generally, there are more entrepreneurs because that's what the future is. There's a lot more about working for yourself nowadays. 104 00:29:18,9890 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. 105 00:29:22,9640 --> 00:00:03,000 Absolutely. 106 00:29:27,2770 --> 00:00:03,000 Absolutely fantastic. So now you're going to have to do some education on me because I need, I need to learn a bit more about meta-consciousness, meta-consciousness. I think that's how you're saying it. What is it and how does it apply? like, you know, eventually I would like you to describe what makes, what's a, what's a good client look like for you and how do you help them? That would be an amazing thing to learn. 107 00:29:55,5490 --> 00:00:03,000 Metaconsciousness isn't a therapy. It's more just a way of looking at ourselves and the world around us and how we relate to that world. So it looks at our beliefs. It looks at what's going on in our body. It looks at why that would be happening in that way at that time. And it's based on five wellbeing laws.
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Yes. 109 00:30:56,1050 --> 00:00:03,000 the logic, the knowledge, the wisdom of our body. So that's basically what meta consciousness is. It's listening to that wisdom, allowing that wisdom to teach us, guide us, show us what's going on. And there are five biological laws of nature. One of which says that any dis-ease, that's another one I pull apart, rather than seeing it as a sickness or an illness, it's just a lack of ease. 110 00:30:56,4710 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 111 00:31:25,8970 --> 00:00:03,000 We have a lack of ease somewhere in our body or in our consciousness. What's it seeking to tell us? Because it's just information and the body isn't making a mistake. It's not going wrong. It's not doing this at random. It has a purpose and it's seeking to share that purpose with us. So it's the dialogue that can help us to learn and understand and make changes. So it starts off with something that pushes us into stress. 112 00:31:27,2330 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes, of course.
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And it's a very subjective thing. So I might be in a situation with my twin. I don't actually have a twin, just for the sake of, you know, we're otherwise absolutely identical. We might be in a situation and they're fine with it and I'm traumatized. Or it has shocked me deeply. And when I have that deep level of shock, my body goes, 114 00:32:15,4890 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 115 00:32:22,6110 --> 00:00:03,000 goes into that sort of moment of freeze and then I go into fight or flight or one of the stress responses. And if I don't have a coping strategy in that moment, then the energy of what has happened, my body goes, where do, how do I deal with this? And it will put it in wherever in the body it feels is most appropriate. And we're very metaphorical beings. So we see food in the same way as information. 116 00:32:55,8840 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 117 00:32:59,6280 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 118 00:33:03,7890 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. 119 00:33:17,8450 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 120 00:33:19,3750 --> 00:00:03,000 If I can't digest it, it'll go to my stomach. If you think of an animal, say a lion out in Africa, and it swallows a piece of bone that is too big to go all the way through, it gets stuck in its stomach, its stomach will start to secrete more acid in order to break that bone down so that it'll go on through the digestive system and the lion won't die. It's basically that survival mechanism. 121 00:33:41,6440 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 122 00:33:48,8350 --> 00:00:03,000 And we're the same. So if we swallow something, if we take in some information that feels like, just will not digest, I can't get rid of this, then our body will respond to help us digest it. But because it's being very metaphorical, that's going to go probably somewhere in the digestive tract. It'll hit the stomach, it'll hit the intestines. And if it carries on, then that's going to start 123 00:34:12,1270 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 124 00:34:17,4390 --> 00:00:03,000 causing changes in our body. We're not yet feeling sick. While we're in that stress phase, what we generally feel is restless. We might have insomnia, cold hands and feet, chilly and we will probably not have much of an appetite but we might crave sugar and caffeine. All for a purpose. We're restless so that we're active to try and find an answer.
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Okay. 126 00:34:45,9610 --> 00:00:03,000 We've got insomnia so that we're awake longer to try and find an answer. We are not very hungry and we're cold extremities because the blood has gone to those fight-flight organs. And we might crave sugar because I need that quick fix. I need that quick energy so that I can fight or flee. But when something happens that resolves the stress to a greater or lesser degree, so it might completely resolve the stress, it might...
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instead. 128 00:35:15,9310 --> 00:00:03,000 shift it a little bit, we can start to release some of that stress. Now we start to feel sick. So now we'll get things like the upset stomach, the aches and pains, the fever, the fatigue. Again, all of these have purpose. The fatigue is to make us rest because we need to heal. And the aches and pains are our muscles recovering, like if we've been to the gym. 129 00:35:23,6370 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 130 00:35:44,5090 --> 00:00:03,000 We lift weights in the gym to break the muscle fibers so that they come back built up and stronger. When does it ache? The day after or two days after when you're lying in bed thinking, I can't move. I did too much yesterday. And that's the same ache and pain as we feel when we've got the flu or our body's trying to recover from something.
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Yeah.
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So it's all of these things, understanding just what those symptoms are that help us to understand, well, what's our body been struggling with? What was that stress? How do I best support myself through that stress? What was the nature of it? And how do I support myself? And I personally use EFT because like I said earlier, that's what I learned from Sam, EFT and other energy-based modalities. 133 00:36:14,7650 --> 00:00:03,000 this time. 134 00:36:33,6870 --> 00:00:03,000 Brilliant. 135 00:36:45,5630 --> 00:00:03,000 No, it was Emmy and that just fatigue and I was listening to Miranda Hart's book, I haven't been entirely honest with you and she talks about tat. It was on her notes, T-A-T-T, tat. So she asked the doctor, what is this? Tired all the time because that's a pandemic that we have in our society at the moment. I also was borderline for fibromyalgia, for diabetes. 136 00:36:46,1670 --> 00:00:03,000 So tell us about what, yeah. 137 00:37:12,5850 --> 00:00:03,000 for a whole raft of other things. I had migraines, I had eczema, those little niggly things that of themselves, they're an irritation. But when you start to put them together, then they really start to impact on your life. I had IBS as well. And it was coming to understand what exactly was going on for each one of those. For my eczema, it was about separation because that's what our skin is about, contact, connection. 138 00:38:33,9850 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 139 00:38:39,1410 --> 00:00:03,000 Moving here, my body does loads for me. I walk in the country, in the surrounding countryside. I've got a couple of horses to care for, so I'm poo picking twice a day. We've got the dog that we walk and running my business. My body is, is... I celebrate it and I feel like, it's my home. I value it so much now, which is... 140 00:39:01,6450 --> 00:00:03,000 happy again. Yeah.
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Amazing.
180 degrees from where I was. 143 00:39:12,8450 --> 00:00:03,000 That is truly amazing given the catalogue of things you were complaining of, you know, and you call it a complaint when really it's something you should be like listening to. Now I'm hearing what you're saying is the message in metaconsciousness is listening to what your body says. And now I've got a story that you can vet it for me whether you think this is the same principle, but in my early twenties, I remember a guy who said, 144 00:40:28,5950 --> 00:00:03,000 First of all, we don't forgive for the people that we're forgiving. We forgive for ourselves. Because it is, it's setting us free. Otherwise it's like Marley's ghost and all those chains and boxes that he's dragging along through his ghostness. But we're doing that in our lifetimes with all that baggage that we can't let go of. Forgiveness allows us to let go. 145 00:40:37,6230 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 146 00:40:54,2030 --> 00:00:03,000 In terms of arthritis, anything itis is inflammation and that's in the healing phase. So potentially when we are carrying something that we only shift a little bit, then we're able to let go so much and then it might be that we haven't released everything or that we're being re-triggered. So if, for example, that person was so angry at the Germans, 147 00:41:33,8980 --> 00:00:03,000 you don't.
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because he's been able to put that aside. But while he's in his anger, he wouldn't be feeling the pain because he's in his fight flight and our body is designed to be numb during the fight flight because if we're fighting and we get hit and we go down going ow ow ow or we're running away stub our toe and we're hopping around, we might not escape. So we're designed to be numb so that we can flee, so that we can fight. 149 00:42:42,3170 --> 00:00:03,000 Understood. Yeah, well, I'm convinced very much so that, you you carry stress around, it can manifest in all kinds of places. It can, like you say, it can be stored around in your gut. It could be tension in your shoulders and your back. could be, and it could go down into your organs as well, can't it? I'm guessing from what I've heard and, you know, dare I say it, even the big C is a result of... 150 00:43:13,7550 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, which big C, I take it you mean the cancer big C, not the COVID big C. But what really hit me on both of those was reading Dabor Mate's book, When the Body Says No, because he looks at cancer and various other conditions as well, looking at is there a cancer personality? And he's saying that we're not born with a cancer personality, but we may develop one because of trauma. Because and it doesn't have to be that 151 00:43:17,3990 --> 00:00:03,000 cancer, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 152 00:43:43,3150 --> 00:00:03,000 big T trauma, can be those little cumulative things that turn us into a people pleasing person, which is often a personality that has been linked with cancer. And as I say, he looks at other organizations or other conditions as well. And then Bessel van der Kolk, who says the body keeps the score because it does. Our body holds all of this stuff. But A. Almaz says, sorry, can I just
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that right? Okay.
Yeah, absolutely. yeah, of course. 155 00:44:12,7090 --> 00:00:03,000 share this quote because I love this quote from AHL Mass. I don't remember it word for word as a paragraph but basically he's saying that our pain is our pain. It's not going to happen to anybody else, it's going to happen to us. But it's not our body beating us up, being masochistic, it's the part of us that loves us the most, that wants us to be our fullest self. So it's just trying to give us a nudge and draw our attention to
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Yes. 157 00:44:39,8210 --> 00:00:03,000 Amazing. 158 00:44:40,7330 --> 00:00:03,000 what the body's asking us in its wisdom to let go of so that we can step more fully into who we were born to be. 159 00:44:49,9010 --> 00:00:03,000 Amazing. That is truly profound. So looking back on your own transformation, would you consider yourself free from most or all of the conditions you were suffering from in the past? 160 00:45:03,4430 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, I don't have those conditions anymore. Occasionally I'll get a little blip, like I had a little bit of eczema a while back and it came up on the back of my hand. The area is significant, but knowing metaconsciousness, I was able to go right. Ask the back of my hand effectively, what's going on here? What are you trying to tell me? What? Because it was a... 161 00:45:59,2230 --> 00:00:03,000 See you. 162 00:46:04,3430 --> 00:00:03,000 that amazing so subconsciously you are carrying a fear and a metaphorical one at that slapping wrist as if you were fear of being chastised or pulled up on something and it was manifesting as a break an outbreak of eczema on your wrist on your on your hand amazing wow this is sending shivers down my spine it's so powerful isn't it 163 00:46:12,3390 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. Yes. 164 00:46:33,2710 --> 00:00:03,000 Give us an idea, like you've unplugged from Bristol, you're near, you describe where you live now and how happy it makes you feel. 165 00:46:41,6950 --> 00:00:03,000 I don't think I can. I can't put it into words because it's just indescribable. we lived in the suburbs. We weren't right in the middle of town or anything. But I wanted green. was desperate to be surrounded by nature and green and all that healing, wonderful energy. And that's what we've got. We can't see any neighbours from where we live. There are neighbours a distance away. 166 00:48:49,7190 --> 00:00:03,000 That is so beautiful. The transformation I've heard you say since the top of this quarter now, I can feel it and hope anyone watching or listening is also feeling how worthwhile it is to stop and take stock and have a review. So tell us, tell us about the process. Let's say, let's say someone like yourself 20 years ago or 10 years ago was coming to you now. How would, how would a session with you work? I 167 00:49:26,2170 --> 00:00:03,000 For the main thing of what I do, the meta-consciousness, I ask people to write a timeline. And I have a video explaining what that's all about. But the purpose of writing a timeline is partly because I do an analysis of it. It really helps me with understanding what's going on and then helping the person to understand what's going on. But it's also with person themselves because as you write your timeline, you start to see in a new way. It's like journaling. 168 00:51:39,9050 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 169 00:51:53,2070 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 170 00:51:54,1830 --> 00:00:03,000 symptoms that doctors can't explain. There are a lot of dis-eases that are described as idiopathic. Doctors can't explain why they've come up or often how to deal with them, how to address them. People maybe who've just been told you have to learn how to manage your symptoms. Off you go! 171 00:52:18,5070 --> 00:00:03,000 Now what? 172 00:52:38,6150 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. Yeah. 173 00:52:46,2170 --> 00:00:03,000 We don't need to be fear-based. We don't need to focus on lack. There is so much, there's a wealth, there's an abundance out there. How do we tap, and in here, how do we tap into that and allow that to flow? Whereas I think quite often we feel that we're pushed into a certain shape, you know, that round peg in the square hole versus if I can just allow myself to be me, I have all that freedom. And then I've got the energy of that freedom. 174 00:52:58,1030 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 175 00:53:10,2740 --> 00:00:03,000 Mm-hmm. 176 00:53:15,9450 --> 00:00:03,000 versus the energy of, I have to fit in to that hole that I've been given that somebody put me into that maybe doesn't feel like a good fit at all. 177 00:53:25,8790 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 178 00:53:30,8470 --> 00:00:03,000 Amazing. So how about someone who's just got a very dim outlook? So let's say someone's just swallowed all the red pills, they're now black pills, they just, they can't stop thinking the world's going to rats. I mean, it is in lot of ways, but could you help someone with that kind of dismal outlook? I'll call it dismal because... 179 00:54:17,9910 --> 00:00:03,000 I have a workshop called the Joy Compass, which is about listening to our body because our body shows us what feels good for us. So when I'm aligned and when I feel lit up and I feel joy, and it's not that I have to go looking for it, it's just there. Versus what do I feel like when the world just feels heavy and grey and horrible. 180 00:54:23,1160 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay.
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As a therapist once said to me, what lights you up? What do you enjoy? What makes your heart sing? And I just wanted to say nothing. But somewhere within me, I said nature. And I kind of went, did I say that? Where did that come from? I don't think that's true. But it did. My body knew. And it put that out there for me. So it's, it's, I help people to tune into and listen to their body, to give themselves permission. 182 00:57:02,9450 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, that's all. 183 00:57:08,9270 --> 00:00:03,000 Because I think I hear people say, and I used to be one of the worst at this, is one step forward and two steps back. I'm not getting anywhere. But if that was a dance, say a waltz, you're guided around the floor and you sometimes go backwards, you sometimes go sideways, you sometimes go forward, or you might be leading sometimes. We're dancing with life. It doesn't matter what way you're going. For me, it's not about what you do, it's about how you do it. 184 00:57:50,3550 --> 00:00:03,000 Hey. 185 00:58:08,3170 --> 00:00:03,000 We also need to forgive ourselves when we go through that journey for maybe allowing ourselves to be shoehorned into something that it didn't feel like a good fit, but we felt we should. Shoulds, coulds, have tos, musts. My mum, I'm very fortunate, my mum from an early age was telling me, drop that from your vocabulary. It's not good. It's not helpful. So to let go of those things. 186 00:58:23,3590 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. 187 00:58:36,9350 --> 00:00:03,000 and to bring in more of the things that recharge us and fill us with joy and excitement and enthusiasm. 188 00:58:41,1650 --> 00:00:03,000 Amazing. 189 00:58:45,3430 --> 00:00:03,000 That's beautiful and so I take it you work as one-to-one and you do workshops I presume that's groups or individuals attending a more physical presence is it or is it online as well? 190 00:59:00,4330 --> 00:00:03,000 I do the occasional webinar. I prefer face to face because I love, like I say, I'm all about connection and about feeling things, feeling the emotions, feeling that connection and I find that easier face to face. Also with webinars and things, you get to a certain number and you stop being able to see everybody, stop being able to see individuals and that is what lights me up. So that's what I prefer. I do do some online, but I prefer the face to face. 191 00:59:01,8980 --> 00:00:03,000 and Tuesday.
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Yes. 193 00:59:21,2920 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, of course. 194 00:59:26,3790 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, absolutely. 195 00:59:31,2010 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay, and are those anywhere near where you live then? Are you in rural settings for those? 196 00:59:37,6370 --> 00:00:03,000 I'm right here in this room. So yes, in a rural setting and part of that is to invite people to come out of their day-to-day life, come away from all that stuff that's holding them stuck, come away from the wifi and the devices and just give yourself the space and time and freedom to explore with deep compassion for yourself. 197 00:59:41,2710 --> 00:00:03,000 Fantastic. I was hoping you'd say that.
Welcome back to the podcast. I'm delighted to have with me today Robin Harris, who lives not far from the Brecon Beacons, just north of Abagaveni. And so Robin, welcome to the podcast. 4 00:00:24,8310 --> 00:00:03,000 Thank you so much, Robin. I'm really delighted to be here and excited to see where this conversation might take us. 5 00:00:31,5980 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, absolutely. Now we had a little bit of chat before we jumped on camera and a little bit last week. And I just know that your story is going to be so powerful to those who are really feeling stuck and, and maybe some people are suffering with some health issues possibly. And you know, those that really looking for a positive direction and new direction, because I think when I start to ask you about your past, you've come from, there's going to be some real power in that journey. So
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Gosh, how far back do want me to go? I think it really started when I was a child. And I grew up in Belfast during the Troubles. They started the year I was born, not my fault, honestly. And I think reflecting on this before today, it's hard to say when you look back just what was going on in your head when you were a child. But I know that I had a strong sense that...
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Yes. 8 00:03:03,7090 --> 00:00:03,000 And my mum worked as a radiographer in one of the local hospitals and she said, you have to stop talking like this because you are going to get yourself in serious trouble. But I also remember walking on the peace marches and campaigning for peace. then to do that with my mum and then at home to be told, but don't speak out. It was conflicting information. was a... 9 00:04:10,2940 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 10 00:04:22,1330 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay.
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Okay. 12 00:04:30,5130 --> 00:00:03,000 All fine, all fine, keep going. And had lost that sense of connection and joy. And then carry on a few years further down the line and I was experiencing a lot of health niggles. was borderline for a lot of conditions. I was heading towards burnout and having already had ME, I thought I've got to do something. I've got to do something really serious. Turn things around. 13 00:04:47,5630 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 14 00:04:57,2130 --> 00:00:03,000 And my husband said to me, you've had a sense of humor bypass. And I got really scared that I was going to lose that marriage as well. So I, it was a wake up call. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It felt like a kick up the behind. And so I realized my life was full of stress and I wasn't dealing with it. So I needed something for me and I decided to study Reiki. 15 00:05:02,5710 --> 00:00:03,000 Wow. That's a wake up call. And was that your second marriage? Yeah. Okay.
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Okay. 17 00:05:24,7010 --> 00:00:03,000 which led me in a rather securitas route back to connection and animals and nature. And then I studied EFT with one of your earlier guests, Sam Neffendorf. And then went on to through a lot of synchronous connections to study the thing that really changed, rocked my world, changed my world, got me into all sorts of exciting things like quantum.
Okay. 19 00:05:37,6850 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes lovely that's awesome. 20 00:05:53,8970 --> 00:00:03,000 quantum world and that's meta consciousness and it's all of the things that I learned along that journey that it's our perception it's how we look at the world and when we change that as Wayne Dyer said everything else changes and we get to do that when we unplug thinking of that unplugged and unstoppable when we unplug from the beliefs that aren't serving us that we've maybe 21 00:05:56,5140 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. Wow. 22 00:06:14,5710 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay, so that's. 23 00:06:23,2310 --> 00:00:03,000 kind of got into a rut with, when we unplug from that habit and start doing more conscious creation of the habits we want and the life that we want, we can do that. We can change everything. 24 00:06:26,4450 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 25 00:06:35,9380 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes.
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I was a sign language interpreter and I was living in Bristol at that time. I had trained in Bristol and actually initially when I finished my training, my first job with my fiance at the time, we moved to Kent and I worked for an organisation for deaf people in Kent as an interpreter. So I would travel the whole of that county and that was really challenging because neither of us knew anybody in Kent. 27 00:07:12,5340 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 28 00:07:23,9030 --> 00:00:03,000 and his job kept him very busy. He didn't drive and my job had me travelling the whole of the county at all hours of the day, right up to sort of 9, 10, 11 o'clock at night, starting then the next morning at 9 o'clock. We just had no time, no time together, no time to make friends and it was very difficult. And then his dad died. So we moved back to Bristol. His mum lived in Portishead. We moved back to Bristol. 29 00:08:22,6370 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 30 00:08:22,8470 --> 00:00:03,000 And that nearly broke me. And that was a large part of what led.
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Really, what was the cause of the stress at Bristol Uni? 32 00:08:33,1190 --> 00:00:03,000 partly because I was the only interpreter and there were 10 deaf people and I was supposed to be interpreting for all of them but they were all doing different things at different times. And it was also down to funding and down to my manager and how, and also the university's relationship to the department, they didn't really like it and eventually they closed it and got rid of it. So there's a whole lot of factors.
wow. 34 00:08:55,8850 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay so it was a kind of a kind of unwanted department and was your boss a supportive sort of guy or girl? No. Okay tell us a little bit about that. 35 00:09:04,2630 --> 00:00:03,000 No. No he wasn't. 36 00:09:09,5030 --> 00:00:03,000 One example is that because I was an interpreter, I had to be hidden from everybody else because I would be potentially making private phone calls and nobody else should be able to see. Never mind the fact that everybody else in the office was hearing so they'd hear me anyway if I was voicing over for a deaf person. So because I was in a shared office, they put up barriers around my desk and I had to sit in there all day long every day. 37 00:09:31,2130 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 38 00:09:39,3830 --> 00:00:03,000 and another person in the department said that's abuse, that's cruelty to be stuck in isolation effectively all day long and it was like the wall was there and the wall was there there was no more space for me because of all these barriers up around so that nobody could see me but the others could hear me so it didn't make sense so she went and spoke to the head of the department and said you cannot do that take those down and they came down the very same day but 39 00:09:48,7370 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, absolutely. 40 00:10:08,5290 --> 00:00:03,000 It was that I didn't feel able to say that myself and that somebody had to point out the fact that that was like putting me in isolation, which as we know, isolation is one of, I mean, they use it for prisoners as a don't they? That that is one of the worst things that can be done to a human being. We're a social species. If we choose to go off on our own, that's fine, but it's being enforced. 41 00:10:27,7250 --> 00:00:03,000 course. 42 00:10:36,2890 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. Yes. 43 00:10:37,5110 --> 00:00:03,000 and feeling like it's a punishment, you've done something wrong, therefore go and sit like putting you in the corner. 44 00:10:45,4850 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. And picking up on something you said earlier, which is I had all these different clients doing different things at different times. That's a recipe for massive stress because you've got no control over it. And, it is when you feel like you're in control, the stress goes, but if you can't keep a control over it, it's constant throwing wildcards at you, which you can only do for a short period. Can't you? Yeah. So I can. 45 00:10:45,8830 --> 00:00:03,000 and thinking of something that's 46 00:11:01,8750 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 47 00:11:11,2290 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, firefighting all of the time. And it's that idea of the demand control schema. When the demands placed upon you are higher than the control that you feel you have, the choices, the ability to change your situation, then that's overwhelm. That's stress. And that's where I was. 48 00:11:22,4760 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 49 00:11:28,1610 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, of course. Of course. So you carried all of this stress into the next phase of your life and you obviously met your husband today and, you know, I guess, were there any lessons that you took from that moment to the moment he said you've lost your sense of humour or were you still kind of treading water all the way through? 50 00:11:51,1770 --> 00:00:03,000 There was a crossover between the first husband and the second husband during this period of three years where I was working at that department. And so I was still in that stress when he said the second husband said that to me. But that was, there was an added stress because the funding came from Access to Work and they were saying, well, we're not going to fund it anymore. And the university were saying, well, we can't fund it. 51 00:13:11,6710 --> 00:00:03,000 interesting. 52 00:13:19,8610 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. And give us some insight as to what changes you had to make given your husband's quite startling announcement about you losing your sense of humour. What did you do as a result?
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That was when I... Well, first of all, I went to the doctor because that's what you do, isn't it? If you're not feeling very well, if you're struggling, you go to the doctor. And also I knew that the doctor couldn't help me. That wasn't the kind of help I needed, but I had to prove this. I had to be able to say to people, I've done everything. I wasn't in victimhood at all. So... 54 00:15:28,9290 --> 00:00:03,000 the same when I had yeah I felt the same when I had a counselor in my early 20s I went to see someone for anxious depression and all they were doing is just echoing how I felt and I thought I'm just carrying this amplified out of each session it's very friendly it's very nice but does it actually like you say provide the answers and in the end after about four sessions I stopped so tell us tell us what happened next 55 00:15:42,1210 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. 56 00:15:55,8490 --> 00:00:03,000 So having proved to myself that the medication and the counselling weren't going to work, I thought, what can I do? I have tried everything. You know that phrase that we get to that point of, I've tried everything, nothing's working. And I felt it was me. If I've tried everything and I've done what the doctors told me to do, it must be me. I'm the problem. So I decided. 57 00:17:22,6690 --> 00:00:03,000 And you talk about a specialism, does this mean you become a certified Reiki practitioner? Is that what it is for both people and... is it equine? Was it horses? 58 00:17:34,9810 --> 00:00:03,000 It was first of all with the Healing Trust. I'd done my Reiki and been qualified with the Reiki Federation in the UK and then I qualified with the Healing Trust. That's Energy Healing. It's the same kind of thing as far as I'm concerned, but they are two separate organisations and they call what they do separate names. And then I did Energy Healing with small animals. So I got a diploma qualification in that and then 59 00:18:08,6950 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay, so I'm guessing that all of this qualification is now set an intention to go and do something more, I wouldn't call it productive because helping in theory, translation services is a very beautiful thing. But what I'm hearing you say is the authority's way of organizing that discipline was horrendous and you needed a break or some way of getting out of that way of working. 60 00:18:38,1430 --> 00:00:03,000 Absolutely. Also there was the fact that I think initially when I went into interpreting I was thinking this is a way to make the playing field even because deaf people have a pretty rough time. They don't have a voice by and large in our community. So I thought being an interpreter gave them the opportunity to have that voice. But I discovered it doesn't. You just go in there as the little token and you might be 61 00:18:49,6760 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 62 00:18:56,3950 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 63 00:19:00,2790 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 64 00:19:06,5890 --> 00:00:03,000 voicing what a deaf person is saying, you might be giving them access to what's being said in English through sign language, but it hasn't even the playing field. They're still where they were before because nothing else has changed. The whole attitudes, perceptions, they're all the same. 65 00:19:20,9090 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, and I'm sure that he...
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Yes, and I'm sure even with the best will in the world, the timing of the scheduling of appointments and conversations quite often didn't work with their schedule either, so it was a bit of a challenge. 67 00:19:36,3270 --> 00:00:03,000 or their culture, there was no allowance for what's a deaf person's way of seeing the world or the fact that a deaf person has a lot to offer because they were just, well, you can have your say, but nobody's listening to you any more than they were before, really. That's a huge generalisation. But if I can just give you a quick example, I was with one of the top people in our department at, I think it was a Dean's Soiree kind of a thing. 68 00:19:46,9250 --> 00:00:03,000 100%. 69 00:19:52,8550 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 70 00:20:05,6930 --> 00:00:03,000 and the Dean came over to speak with a person who was high up in our department because that's what you do. And I'm there interpreting between the two and then somebody came up and spoke to the Dean and the Dean just turned away and walked off. No excuse me, something has come up, nothing, just having a conversation, gone. And I turned to the deaf person with my jaw scraping the floor and he just said, yeah, that's perfectly normal. 71 00:20:39,1910 --> 00:00:03,000 You know what? Yeah. Do you know what? It actually makes me kind of re makes me feel that the online business space that I operate in, there's an amazing opportunity to help serve that community. Like I bet you there's some real creatives out there who'd love to start an online business, but I'm just thinking from my own lens. let's... 72 00:21:38,8950 --> 00:00:03,000 I think I had been asking questions as a child and then got shut down for asking those questions so maybe it was a reconnection with that and I think what really did it for me was the whole well-being because I still had somewhere deep inside me that belief that well we're supposed to be here for joy we're supposed to be here for connection. Where is it? Nobody is talking about it in my world. 73 00:21:50,2950 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 74 00:22:03,6170 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 75 00:22:08,3470 --> 00:00:03,000 Nobody is teaching it and showing how to and I'm feeling very frustrated. I'm feeling like I'm the lone person who's looking for this. Where is it? And I think it was that. It was that question deep inside of me that I just wasn't getting answers to that I had to go and search for. 76 00:22:33,4630 --> 00:00:03,000 Were you? 77 00:23:01,8630 --> 00:00:03,000 As a child I was always asking, why is it like this? Why do people not get on? These different camps allegedly, Catholics and Protestants, we're just people living on this space. Why can't we get on? What's all this fighting about? It doesn't make sense. Why are we always looking at history rather than just, and that's not to say there's no place for looking at history, but why do we always have to drag up the old 78 00:23:07,6920 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 79 00:23:16,6180 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 80 00:23:24,2470 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes, today. 81 00:23:31,5930 --> 00:00:03,000 bitter arguments and anger and hatred rather than seeing that we have more in common than we have different. And why are animals seen as being lesser? And why does nobody seem to think about the environment and love it and be out in it and enjoy it? And why are we all so miserable? Why is life so grey when I think we're here to be full of colour and variety? I lived 82 00:23:34,7970 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. Okay.
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Ultimately, yes. 84 00:24:00,9970 --> 00:00:03,000 in Belfast in the 70s and 80s. Every face was white. I loved being, you know, seeing different places, mostly in UK, where there were multicultural groups of people. And I first went to university in Manchester and there's the Curry Mile in Manchester in Rush Home. And I loved it. You could see people and obviously being in a university in the UK as well. Lots of people from all over. 85 00:24:12,9830 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 86 00:24:30,7830 --> 00:00:03,000 coming together. I thought it was so rich and great sharing. I loved that. 87 00:24:39,1460 --> 00:00:03,000 So I'm guessing by the time we hit 2020, were you like on high alert? you realise something wasn't quite right when the whole kind pandemic thing started? 88 00:24:53,7910 --> 00:00:03,000 Not specifically about that. Generically about well-being, think, because having... I'd already come across metaconsciousness by that point. It wasn't given that name at the time, but it's all about the fact that any symptoms we experience, be they cognitive, emotional, physical, they're just information.
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Okay. 90 00:25:07,5640 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 91 00:25:20,6050 --> 00:00:03,000 Our body's seeking to communicate with us all the time and it's seeking to tell us, this is what works for me, this doesn't work for me, let's follow the stuff that works and let's move away from the stuff that doesn't. So it's sending us these little signals all the time and we may experience those as symptoms. In our mostly Western allopathic medical system, if you feel pain, what do do? You take a pill, you try to get rid of that pain. 92 00:26:13,9970 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 93 00:26:18,3230 --> 00:00:03,000 for all of those niggling experiences I was having, I realised, my body's just talking to me. If I listened, if I learnt, but nobody's teaching us how to listen. And that was where I was rather than specifically about the pandemic. 94 00:26:31,3930 --> 00:00:03,000 Understood 95 00:26:36,6810 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, of course. Okay. So going, going back then to your husband's giving you the wake up call, you've left, you're leaving in stages by the sound of this work. Did you pick up and start a Reiki business whilst doing the working with the deaf community still on a freelance basis? 96 00:26:58,1410 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes, while doing the freelance work, yes, I was still freelance interpreting and I was setting up a wellbeing business at that point,
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Excellent. So it's a trombone. 98 00:27:08,8450 --> 00:00:03,000 brilliant because I'm keen to share with people how you do unplug from a mainstream world. You know, what are the key milestones? How do you get there? And for most is you've got to do a side hustle for a bit and you've got to transition out. And sometimes if you're lucky enough to have freelance work, you can have gaps in that freelance work or take more breaks or drop to four days, then three, then two. 99 00:27:32,3830 --> 00:00:03,000 No. 100 00:27:35,7350 --> 00:00:03,000 Did you have any kind of transition like that and how did you get your business truly up and running? 101 00:27:42,1510 --> 00:00:03,000 It's been, so my business, formed a limited company in 2013 and it's changed so much since then. Cause I've, you know, if other people, think will probably feel you're a practitioner of any kind will resonate with the fact that it's shiny object, shiny object. Let me just learn that. And I've learned that and I'll add that to my tool kit. And so yes, it's changed quite a lot over. 102 00:29:00,5250 --> 00:00:03,000 We'll have to set up a follow-up meeting. I'd love to explore business opportunities if you can see how we might be able to empower the more entrepreneurial people in that community. That would be a lovely thing to be able to do. 103 00:29:14,4090 --> 00:00:03,000 There are a lot now, particularly with the younger age group. Generally, there are more entrepreneurs because that's what the future is. There's a lot more about working for yourself nowadays. 104 00:29:18,9890 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. 105 00:29:22,9640 --> 00:00:03,000 Absolutely. 106 00:29:27,2770 --> 00:00:03,000 Absolutely fantastic. So now you're going to have to do some education on me because I need, I need to learn a bit more about meta-consciousness, meta-consciousness. I think that's how you're saying it. What is it and how does it apply? like, you know, eventually I would like you to describe what makes, what's a, what's a good client look like for you and how do you help them? That would be an amazing thing to learn. 107 00:29:55,5490 --> 00:00:03,000 Metaconsciousness isn't a therapy. It's more just a way of looking at ourselves and the world around us and how we relate to that world. So it looks at our beliefs. It looks at what's going on in our body. It looks at why that would be happening in that way at that time. And it's based on five wellbeing laws.
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Yes. 109 00:30:56,1050 --> 00:00:03,000 the logic, the knowledge, the wisdom of our body. So that's basically what meta consciousness is. It's listening to that wisdom, allowing that wisdom to teach us, guide us, show us what's going on. And there are five biological laws of nature. One of which says that any dis-ease, that's another one I pull apart, rather than seeing it as a sickness or an illness, it's just a lack of ease. 110 00:30:56,4710 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 111 00:31:25,8970 --> 00:00:03,000 We have a lack of ease somewhere in our body or in our consciousness. What's it seeking to tell us? Because it's just information and the body isn't making a mistake. It's not going wrong. It's not doing this at random. It has a purpose and it's seeking to share that purpose with us. So it's the dialogue that can help us to learn and understand and make changes. So it starts off with something that pushes us into stress. 112 00:31:27,2330 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes, of course.
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And it's a very subjective thing. So I might be in a situation with my twin. I don't actually have a twin, just for the sake of, you know, we're otherwise absolutely identical. We might be in a situation and they're fine with it and I'm traumatized. Or it has shocked me deeply. And when I have that deep level of shock, my body goes, 114 00:32:15,4890 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 115 00:32:22,6110 --> 00:00:03,000 goes into that sort of moment of freeze and then I go into fight or flight or one of the stress responses. And if I don't have a coping strategy in that moment, then the energy of what has happened, my body goes, where do, how do I deal with this? And it will put it in wherever in the body it feels is most appropriate. And we're very metaphorical beings. So we see food in the same way as information. 116 00:32:55,8840 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 117 00:32:59,6280 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 118 00:33:03,7890 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. 119 00:33:17,8450 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 120 00:33:19,3750 --> 00:00:03,000 If I can't digest it, it'll go to my stomach. If you think of an animal, say a lion out in Africa, and it swallows a piece of bone that is too big to go all the way through, it gets stuck in its stomach, its stomach will start to secrete more acid in order to break that bone down so that it'll go on through the digestive system and the lion won't die. It's basically that survival mechanism. 121 00:33:41,6440 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 122 00:33:48,8350 --> 00:00:03,000 And we're the same. So if we swallow something, if we take in some information that feels like, just will not digest, I can't get rid of this, then our body will respond to help us digest it. But because it's being very metaphorical, that's going to go probably somewhere in the digestive tract. It'll hit the stomach, it'll hit the intestines. And if it carries on, then that's going to start 123 00:34:12,1270 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 124 00:34:17,4390 --> 00:00:03,000 causing changes in our body. We're not yet feeling sick. While we're in that stress phase, what we generally feel is restless. We might have insomnia, cold hands and feet, chilly and we will probably not have much of an appetite but we might crave sugar and caffeine. All for a purpose. We're restless so that we're active to try and find an answer.
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Okay. 126 00:34:45,9610 --> 00:00:03,000 We've got insomnia so that we're awake longer to try and find an answer. We are not very hungry and we're cold extremities because the blood has gone to those fight-flight organs. And we might crave sugar because I need that quick fix. I need that quick energy so that I can fight or flee. But when something happens that resolves the stress to a greater or lesser degree, so it might completely resolve the stress, it might...
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instead. 128 00:35:15,9310 --> 00:00:03,000 shift it a little bit, we can start to release some of that stress. Now we start to feel sick. So now we'll get things like the upset stomach, the aches and pains, the fever, the fatigue. Again, all of these have purpose. The fatigue is to make us rest because we need to heal. And the aches and pains are our muscles recovering, like if we've been to the gym. 129 00:35:23,6370 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 130 00:35:44,5090 --> 00:00:03,000 We lift weights in the gym to break the muscle fibers so that they come back built up and stronger. When does it ache? The day after or two days after when you're lying in bed thinking, I can't move. I did too much yesterday. And that's the same ache and pain as we feel when we've got the flu or our body's trying to recover from something.
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Yeah.
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So it's all of these things, understanding just what those symptoms are that help us to understand, well, what's our body been struggling with? What was that stress? How do I best support myself through that stress? What was the nature of it? And how do I support myself? And I personally use EFT because like I said earlier, that's what I learned from Sam, EFT and other energy-based modalities. 133 00:36:14,7650 --> 00:00:03,000 this time. 134 00:36:33,6870 --> 00:00:03,000 Brilliant. 135 00:36:45,5630 --> 00:00:03,000 No, it was Emmy and that just fatigue and I was listening to Miranda Hart's book, I haven't been entirely honest with you and she talks about tat. It was on her notes, T-A-T-T, tat. So she asked the doctor, what is this? Tired all the time because that's a pandemic that we have in our society at the moment. I also was borderline for fibromyalgia, for diabetes. 136 00:36:46,1670 --> 00:00:03,000 So tell us about what, yeah. 137 00:37:12,5850 --> 00:00:03,000 for a whole raft of other things. I had migraines, I had eczema, those little niggly things that of themselves, they're an irritation. But when you start to put them together, then they really start to impact on your life. I had IBS as well. And it was coming to understand what exactly was going on for each one of those. For my eczema, it was about separation because that's what our skin is about, contact, connection. 138 00:38:33,9850 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 139 00:38:39,1410 --> 00:00:03,000 Moving here, my body does loads for me. I walk in the country, in the surrounding countryside. I've got a couple of horses to care for, so I'm poo picking twice a day. We've got the dog that we walk and running my business. My body is, is... I celebrate it and I feel like, it's my home. I value it so much now, which is... 140 00:39:01,6450 --> 00:00:03,000 happy again. Yeah.
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Amazing.
180 degrees from where I was. 143 00:39:12,8450 --> 00:00:03,000 That is truly amazing given the catalogue of things you were complaining of, you know, and you call it a complaint when really it's something you should be like listening to. Now I'm hearing what you're saying is the message in metaconsciousness is listening to what your body says. And now I've got a story that you can vet it for me whether you think this is the same principle, but in my early twenties, I remember a guy who said, 144 00:40:28,5950 --> 00:00:03,000 First of all, we don't forgive for the people that we're forgiving. We forgive for ourselves. Because it is, it's setting us free. Otherwise it's like Marley's ghost and all those chains and boxes that he's dragging along through his ghostness. But we're doing that in our lifetimes with all that baggage that we can't let go of. Forgiveness allows us to let go. 145 00:40:37,6230 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 146 00:40:54,2030 --> 00:00:03,000 In terms of arthritis, anything itis is inflammation and that's in the healing phase. So potentially when we are carrying something that we only shift a little bit, then we're able to let go so much and then it might be that we haven't released everything or that we're being re-triggered. So if, for example, that person was so angry at the Germans, 147 00:41:33,8980 --> 00:00:03,000 you don't.
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because he's been able to put that aside. But while he's in his anger, he wouldn't be feeling the pain because he's in his fight flight and our body is designed to be numb during the fight flight because if we're fighting and we get hit and we go down going ow ow ow or we're running away stub our toe and we're hopping around, we might not escape. So we're designed to be numb so that we can flee, so that we can fight. 149 00:42:42,3170 --> 00:00:03,000 Understood. Yeah, well, I'm convinced very much so that, you you carry stress around, it can manifest in all kinds of places. It can, like you say, it can be stored around in your gut. It could be tension in your shoulders and your back. could be, and it could go down into your organs as well, can't it? I'm guessing from what I've heard and, you know, dare I say it, even the big C is a result of... 150 00:43:13,7550 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, which big C, I take it you mean the cancer big C, not the COVID big C. But what really hit me on both of those was reading Dabor Mate's book, When the Body Says No, because he looks at cancer and various other conditions as well, looking at is there a cancer personality? And he's saying that we're not born with a cancer personality, but we may develop one because of trauma. Because and it doesn't have to be that 151 00:43:17,3990 --> 00:00:03,000 cancer, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 152 00:43:43,3150 --> 00:00:03,000 big T trauma, can be those little cumulative things that turn us into a people pleasing person, which is often a personality that has been linked with cancer. And as I say, he looks at other organizations or other conditions as well. And then Bessel van der Kolk, who says the body keeps the score because it does. Our body holds all of this stuff. But A. Almaz says, sorry, can I just
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that right? Okay.
Yeah, absolutely. yeah, of course. 155 00:44:12,7090 --> 00:00:03,000 share this quote because I love this quote from AHL Mass. I don't remember it word for word as a paragraph but basically he's saying that our pain is our pain. It's not going to happen to anybody else, it's going to happen to us. But it's not our body beating us up, being masochistic, it's the part of us that loves us the most, that wants us to be our fullest self. So it's just trying to give us a nudge and draw our attention to
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Yes. 157 00:44:39,8210 --> 00:00:03,000 Amazing. 158 00:44:40,7330 --> 00:00:03,000 what the body's asking us in its wisdom to let go of so that we can step more fully into who we were born to be. 159 00:44:49,9010 --> 00:00:03,000 Amazing. That is truly profound. So looking back on your own transformation, would you consider yourself free from most or all of the conditions you were suffering from in the past? 160 00:45:03,4430 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, I don't have those conditions anymore. Occasionally I'll get a little blip, like I had a little bit of eczema a while back and it came up on the back of my hand. The area is significant, but knowing metaconsciousness, I was able to go right. Ask the back of my hand effectively, what's going on here? What are you trying to tell me? What? Because it was a... 161 00:45:59,2230 --> 00:00:03,000 See you. 162 00:46:04,3430 --> 00:00:03,000 that amazing so subconsciously you are carrying a fear and a metaphorical one at that slapping wrist as if you were fear of being chastised or pulled up on something and it was manifesting as a break an outbreak of eczema on your wrist on your on your hand amazing wow this is sending shivers down my spine it's so powerful isn't it 163 00:46:12,3390 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. Yes. 164 00:46:33,2710 --> 00:00:03,000 Give us an idea, like you've unplugged from Bristol, you're near, you describe where you live now and how happy it makes you feel. 165 00:46:41,6950 --> 00:00:03,000 I don't think I can. I can't put it into words because it's just indescribable. we lived in the suburbs. We weren't right in the middle of town or anything. But I wanted green. was desperate to be surrounded by nature and green and all that healing, wonderful energy. And that's what we've got. We can't see any neighbours from where we live. There are neighbours a distance away. 166 00:48:49,7190 --> 00:00:03,000 That is so beautiful. The transformation I've heard you say since the top of this quarter now, I can feel it and hope anyone watching or listening is also feeling how worthwhile it is to stop and take stock and have a review. So tell us, tell us about the process. Let's say, let's say someone like yourself 20 years ago or 10 years ago was coming to you now. How would, how would a session with you work? I 167 00:49:26,2170 --> 00:00:03,000 For the main thing of what I do, the meta-consciousness, I ask people to write a timeline. And I have a video explaining what that's all about. But the purpose of writing a timeline is partly because I do an analysis of it. It really helps me with understanding what's going on and then helping the person to understand what's going on. But it's also with person themselves because as you write your timeline, you start to see in a new way. It's like journaling. 168 00:51:39,9050 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay. 169 00:51:53,2070 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 170 00:51:54,1830 --> 00:00:03,000 symptoms that doctors can't explain. There are a lot of dis-eases that are described as idiopathic. Doctors can't explain why they've come up or often how to deal with them, how to address them. People maybe who've just been told you have to learn how to manage your symptoms. Off you go! 171 00:52:18,5070 --> 00:00:03,000 Now what? 172 00:52:38,6150 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. Yeah. 173 00:52:46,2170 --> 00:00:03,000 We don't need to be fear-based. We don't need to focus on lack. There is so much, there's a wealth, there's an abundance out there. How do we tap, and in here, how do we tap into that and allow that to flow? Whereas I think quite often we feel that we're pushed into a certain shape, you know, that round peg in the square hole versus if I can just allow myself to be me, I have all that freedom. And then I've got the energy of that freedom. 174 00:52:58,1030 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 175 00:53:10,2740 --> 00:00:03,000 Mm-hmm. 176 00:53:15,9450 --> 00:00:03,000 versus the energy of, I have to fit in to that hole that I've been given that somebody put me into that maybe doesn't feel like a good fit at all. 177 00:53:25,8790 --> 00:00:03,000 Yes. 178 00:53:30,8470 --> 00:00:03,000 Amazing. So how about someone who's just got a very dim outlook? So let's say someone's just swallowed all the red pills, they're now black pills, they just, they can't stop thinking the world's going to rats. I mean, it is in lot of ways, but could you help someone with that kind of dismal outlook? I'll call it dismal because... 179 00:54:17,9910 --> 00:00:03,000 I have a workshop called the Joy Compass, which is about listening to our body because our body shows us what feels good for us. So when I'm aligned and when I feel lit up and I feel joy, and it's not that I have to go looking for it, it's just there. Versus what do I feel like when the world just feels heavy and grey and horrible. 180 00:54:23,1160 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay.
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As a therapist once said to me, what lights you up? What do you enjoy? What makes your heart sing? And I just wanted to say nothing. But somewhere within me, I said nature. And I kind of went, did I say that? Where did that come from? I don't think that's true. But it did. My body knew. And it put that out there for me. So it's, it's, I help people to tune into and listen to their body, to give themselves permission. 182 00:57:02,9450 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, that's all. 183 00:57:08,9270 --> 00:00:03,000 Because I think I hear people say, and I used to be one of the worst at this, is one step forward and two steps back. I'm not getting anywhere. But if that was a dance, say a waltz, you're guided around the floor and you sometimes go backwards, you sometimes go sideways, you sometimes go forward, or you might be leading sometimes. We're dancing with life. It doesn't matter what way you're going. For me, it's not about what you do, it's about how you do it. 184 00:57:50,3550 --> 00:00:03,000 Hey. 185 00:58:08,3170 --> 00:00:03,000 We also need to forgive ourselves when we go through that journey for maybe allowing ourselves to be shoehorned into something that it didn't feel like a good fit, but we felt we should. Shoulds, coulds, have tos, musts. My mum, I'm very fortunate, my mum from an early age was telling me, drop that from your vocabulary. It's not good. It's not helpful. So to let go of those things. 186 00:58:23,3590 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah. 187 00:58:36,9350 --> 00:00:03,000 and to bring in more of the things that recharge us and fill us with joy and excitement and enthusiasm. 188 00:58:41,1650 --> 00:00:03,000 Amazing. 189 00:58:45,3430 --> 00:00:03,000 That's beautiful and so I take it you work as one-to-one and you do workshops I presume that's groups or individuals attending a more physical presence is it or is it online as well? 190 00:59:00,4330 --> 00:00:03,000 I do the occasional webinar. I prefer face to face because I love, like I say, I'm all about connection and about feeling things, feeling the emotions, feeling that connection and I find that easier face to face. Also with webinars and things, you get to a certain number and you stop being able to see everybody, stop being able to see individuals and that is what lights me up. So that's what I prefer. I do do some online, but I prefer the face to face. 191 00:59:01,8980 --> 00:00:03,000 and Tuesday.
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Yes. 193 00:59:21,2920 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, of course. 194 00:59:26,3790 --> 00:00:03,000 Yeah, absolutely. 195 00:59:31,2010 --> 00:00:03,000 Okay, and are those anywhere near where you live then? Are you in rural settings for those? 196 00:59:37,6370 --> 00:00:03,000 I'm right here in this room. So yes, in a rural setting and part of that is to invite people to come out of their day-to-day life, come away from all that stuff that's holding them stuck, come away from the wifi and the devices and just give yourself the space and time and freedom to explore with deep compassion for yourself. 197 00:59:41,2710 --> 00:00:03,000 Fantastic. I was hoping you'd say that.
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