May 5, 2025 • 25 mins
In this episode of the We Are PoWEr Podcast, we sit down with Donna Scully, Joint Owner and Director at Carpenters Group, one of the UK’s leading providers of insurance and legal services.
Donna shares her experience of moving from London to Liverpool for a fresh start, and how she built a successful career as a lawyer and entrepreneur. She reflects on key moments along the way including being once called a “Scally” at school which have stuck with her and shaped her perspective. Donna speaks openly about imposter syndrome, building credibility in new spaces, and what it means to lead with authenticity.
We also explore her powerful belief that kindness is one of the greatest tools for leadership and impact—free, meaningful, and available to everyone.
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I'm Never imitated, neverreplicated.
Singularly wonderful,everybody's wonder girl.
Well, welcome to the we ArePower podcast.
I'm.
Do you know what?
Every week, I talk to some ofthe most amazing people and I
love diving into the backstory.
Where did they come from?
How did they get there?
This woman, Donna Scully, howlong have we got?
(01:02):
Oh God, how would you describeyourself?
In three words, Because it'sgreat, you know you are
Carpenters Group co-owner 30years anniversary, but how would
you describe yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I think Irish, a traveller, an immigrant, you
know like I'm not in my hometownor my home country, and I've
ended up here and it's brilliantand it's been and I suppose
just the journey, just kind oflooking back and when I look at
those things and things thathappen, I think how did I get to
here?
And it's brilliant and you knowit's obviously been.
I mean, some of it's been been.
I mean some part of it's beenreally tough, but most of it's
been great fun and and whenpeople listen and you know, no
(01:50):
one adventure or careeradventure is the same.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Is it?
You know, and everyone assumesthat if you work in law which
you do and you kind of own thebusiness right, but everyone
assumes that you have a set pathand you went to uni and you had
privilege and you had advantage.
Where did it start for you?
Newcastle.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, well, it starts in Dublin, in a convent school
in inner city Dublin 40, 45 in aclass.
And I laugh about this becausethe only science I did was
domestic science, because reallythe nuns were preparing us to
get married.
That was the whole kind of, youknow, career path that we were
supposed to take as women, um,and then, you know, I left
(02:33):
school at 16, which was crazy,but further education just
wasn't really for people like meand the nuns didn't encourage
it.
Um, you know, I, my granny,kind of brought me up, um, and
you know, they kind of just letme do what I wanted to do.
But I did a secretarial course,which they did at the school.
So that kind of made me, pushedme, towards being a secretary,
(02:53):
but I ended up.
You start as an office junior,don't you?
And then you work away.
But I became a legal secretarywhen I was about 18.
So that was my introduction tolaw and I liked it.
I worked for a young lawyer inDublin city centre and that was
kind of that went on, I think,about 19,.
I went on holiday, met aGeordie in Torremolinos and then
(03:14):
I emigrated to Newcastle when Iwas 20.
And that's kind of it was alegal secretary there for a
while, and that's when I startedto study law part-time, because
I thought there has to be more.
I want to do more.
You know, I don't want to be asecretary for the next 40 years,
so that's kind of how itstarted.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And when you were in that role, you didn't have an
assistant, did you?
Because you could do all yourown typing.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, yeah yeah, I mean it's mad, isn't it?
Because?
And that kind of became quitewhen I moved to London from
Newcastle.
That was the weird bit becauseeverybody no one could type.
Who was a lawyer?
Because they didn't learn totype and I was this freaky
lawyer who could do my owntyping I'm like 80 words a
minute, touch typist and it kindof was bad in a way because
they made me do more.
Whereas some people gotsecretary of support, I didn't.
(03:55):
But then in a way, I was quiteattractive because I was cheap
and even now Cost effective,Donna, Cost effective even now.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I mean cost effective , not cheap.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's a bad word, but yeah, even now I mean, I can
type 80 words a minute.
So which people hate in thebusiness?
Because I can type memos tothem which are really emails
that are really long.
But yeah, it's funny enough ifyou said to me what's the best
thing I've ever learned in mylife?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
practically it's to type and do you think you've
always been one of those peoplewho's sort of flown ahead?
Like you know, the is there.
There's something in the powerin that typing right.
Yeah, the speed of it I got.
I taught, got taught to type inthe navy when I was a radio
operator and we had a bigkeyboard up on the screen and it
had light up letters and that'show.
And now, oh, it's brilliant,how can you do that without
(04:39):
looking?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
it was great, it's brilliant and it really is
helpful.
You know, if you want to doblogs, I do a bit of writing and
I do it all myself because it'smuch easier.
You know, I mean, I have a PA,john, and I share one, but she
does all the practical stuffbooking things and all that.
I do all my own typing.
It's just very easy.
It's great having it and I'mdelighted.
I didn't realize where I was.
(05:01):
I did have a secretary, youknow, as I kind of went up the
ladder a bit because they said,oh, it's not cost effective for
you to type, we'll get someone,and it was like really weird, I
hated it, you know.
When I got back into it then Iwas like, you know, I'd rather
do my own typing, it's muchbetter.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So what brought you from the beautiful Newcastle
over to the beautiful Liverpool?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well, I went via London, so London was, so the
guy Rivers everywhere, rightWell the guy that I went I was
with in Newcastle, my Georgieboyfriend, who I had for a while
.
He took up photography andobviously I was studying law.
So I was flexible, I was doingthe legal exec course and I
could do that anywhere that wastransferable.
So we both decided to go toLondon together and we did, and
(05:43):
we stayed together for a fewyears down there and then we
split up and then I kind of kepton studying law and I worked in
a couple of really big lawfirms in London, which was
really Brilliant in the sense ofI couldn't believe I was there.
I mean, mishkondorea was one ofthe places I worked.
But when I look back it reallymade me very insecure and
drowning in imposter syndrome,because everybody there was,
(06:05):
like you know, they didn't askyour name there when you went in
.
They go which university didyou go to before your name?
And you know, when you go, Ididn't go to university, you
university, they like, cannotbelieve that this is your life,
you know, and you think God.
So that did make me feel quiteinsecure for a while and then I
just battled on.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
But how did you battle that?
Because there is that.
It's that labelling, isn't it?
And back in the day, we didn'tgive things like imposter
syndrome or we didn't givethings names.
You think it's just, you, don'tyou?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I just sat there and thought I feel really inferior
and I was used to think, imagineif they saw my house, where I'm
from, you know things like that, and I think now I can't give a
shit what they think in myhouse.
But at that time, you know, 24,25 I was like, oh god, I was so
in, you know it.
Really, I was really um I hatesaying embarrassed because it's
a terrible word, but you'redefinitely keeping your head
(07:00):
down, you know, and you don'twant to be asked too many
questions.
And the thing I love now aboutgetting older and having worked
my way through it all is I don'tcare, I am who I am, you know.
But during that time I didn'twant to be me and I was very,
you know, I definitely didn'twant to talk about it.
So it's a learning curve, isn'tit?
And you know you have to getthrough that really to come out
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the other side.
And it's funny, the people Iwas friends with at Mishcons I'm
still friends with people thereand they had a great education
compared to me and they laughbecause I've ended up with my
own business and you know I'mdoing things like this and they
go.
God, you know that little scally, you know has ended up doing
all this stuff.
(07:40):
So yeah, I think the thing forme I like is that if there's
kind of people out there like me, I say to them don't give up,
Keep battling away, and therewill be shitty times and you
will feel a bit weird, but justkeep going and I think the more
people like me that are around,we won't feel so weird.
That's kind of why I likesocial mobility, you know, and
you know we need more kind ofrepresentation of different
(08:01):
people, don't we in all the jobs?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Absolutely.
Here's the total visibility.
That's why we seek to thriveand exist, isn't it?
Because we want to shine alight on amazing humans like
yourself.
What was the point where youwent?
You know what I'm going to bethe Scully lawyer, entrepreneur.
What was that big leap?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think, the big leap for me.
I left London and I moved uphere because my husband's a
Scouser.
So I came up here and I wasgoing to get a job in the law
firm up here because I was apersonal injury lawyer.
I had a few years under my belt.
I could get quite a senior role.
I'd want to be a partnersomewhere.
And then John said join me.
And he had this little nichecommercial practice and he said
come and join me and set up yourpersonal injury motor insurance
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work and you know, take it, seehow it goes.
And I was like Jesus Christ, Imean what does that mean?
I mean I've no clients, I'venever done, I've never been
self-employed, I don't know whatI'm doing.
So I think another thing alongthe way is finding this person
who believes in you and thinksyou're great and you can do this
and you don't think you can.
And I think he really had thismassive amount of faith in me.
(09:07):
And the other thing I think Isay to people, especially if I
do some mentoring, is have a go,because what's the worst thing
that can happen?
I've always said to myself whenI left Dublin to go to
Newcastle, I got a month'sreturn flight on Danair.
So I said if it doesn't workout, I'm going back down there.
And I said when I went toLondon again.
I said I can go back to Dublinor I can go back to Newcastle
and the same.
When I came here I thought ifit doesn't work out with John,
(09:30):
I'll go back somewhere that I'vebeen, that I liked, and I think
for this thought, if it doesn'twork out doing it myself and
working with John, I'll go andget that job in Liverpool that I
was going to get anyway.
So I think it's try it.
I'm a real, real, like you knowproponent of have a go.
What's the worst that canhappen?
And the thing I think is, if Ihadn't have done those things, I
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wouldn't be sitting here.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And when you sort of had that well, how do I do it?
I haven't got any clients.
Where did you start?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Jesus, I started with computers Because I started by
saying, if we're going to dothis?
Because I worked in London andthey had great computers but
nobody could make them work andnobody was developing them.
You know, they were justsitting there like antiques.
So I said we're going to get acomputer system and we're going
to set that up and then we'regoing to go and try and get the
work because we'll show them ourgreat computer system and you
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know, I know what I'm doing abit and all that.
So that's kind of the start ofit.
We sort of set that up and thenwe got a little bit of work,
then another little bit andyou're just proving yourself.
I mean, I remember celebrating.
We got one case a week, so sofour cases a month off a little
insurance company and we wentand had a bottle of champagne
because it was so exciting, youknow.
But yeah, you just have to keepplugging away and also getting
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the right people.
Yeah, we've got some goodpeople in.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And it is about celebrating the small wins, oh
yeah, and the big wins.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, and I'm Irish, I love celebrating, so you know,
I think yeah.
No-transcript.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And you talk about small wins, like right now.
Your trophy cabinet is immense,right Reigning Merseyside Woman
of the Year champion, the onlynon-scouser or the only first
Irish winner which is amazing,well-deserved, literally the
weekend just gone, top 100.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Global insurance people I know Hello.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
They're all laughing in Dublin when they hear that.
But this trophy cabinet'sgetting bigger, right it's funny
, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I laugh about this.
I was saying this to John, likeI've been doing this job for
nearly 30 years.
I've been up here 28 years thisyear and you plug away, you
work away, and then it's likethey're like buses, aren't they?
Because I didn't win anythingfor years, obviously.
And then all of a sudden, youknow, and I really love what I
love about what's happened inthe last few years is people
(12:10):
have taken the time to nominateme, to go away, like even you
know when, when it was yourthing, it was like somebody sat
down and wrote the story aboutwhy I should win.
And even for Mayor's DecideWoman of the Year, I know a lot
of people got together and putthat nomination together and I
think that's so touching, isn'tit?
And like that really likefloors me that people can be
(12:32):
bothered to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
But you're somebody.
Throughout your whole careeryou've talked about mentoring.
You're someone who's been sopassionate about giving back,
paying forward.
You were shortlisted for mentorfor northern power women awards
weren't you but why is thatmentoring?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
so I think, I think I think it's natural because of
where I come from.
I I feel like when you have mybackground and you've managed to
get to this stage and to havethose opportunities and to you
know, for it to have gone well,I just feel you have to have
this duty, don't you?
I have this feeling that it'sfor me just to do it and say
(13:05):
it's great is fine, but quiteselfish For me to say I'm going
to drag a load of peoplehopefully with me, you know,
hopefully inspire themphysically, support them.
I mean, the great thing abouthaving a business is it's very
powerful and like me.
You know, doing a bit ofvolunteering or helping is one
thing, but when I can do itthrough the business and 1500
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people, you know, when I canoffer apprenticeships in the
business, you know workexperience, when I can look
around the business and seeloads of Donna's not loads of
those people at Mishkondorealike there's loads of people
like me when I look and we're50-50 men and women top to
bottom.
Because when you know, 30-40years ago I wasn't treated very
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well as a woman, especially inLondon, especially in posh law
firms, you know you were, myeducation wasn't good enough.
You know you're looked at foryour looks, aren't you?
I mean, there was a lot ofsexual harassment, especially
before Me Too, so I love that.
I don't want to see thatthere's no room for that in the
world, really, and I think abusiness should, you know, be
representative of society.
So, you know, I think thatthat's very powerful and I
(14:11):
really like that, and I think Ijust think that's what we should
do.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And you talk about using that power and owning a
business is powerful, but thisis about using your powerful
good and one of the things thatyou've been driving is the fans
and food banks right you knowmassive Liverpool fan.
How did that come about?
Where did that fit in?
Not Newcastle?
I'm quite observant.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I am quite observant and I'm I'm a big social media
fan, aren't I?
And the great part of socialmedia is you find good stuff on
there.
And I saw them on social media,their Twitter site, and then I
went to a game and I saw the vanand Dave Kelly and Ian Byrne
and Robbie were there.
So I went and asked them andsaid why are you here?
(14:54):
You know what's go, what's,what is this about?
And they said it's just fanactivism.
You know, people in Merseysideare hungry, which is like.
And they said so we do.
We do Everton and we doLiverpool games and we collect
food and clothes and anything.
And they said this to me.
I want to cry when I hear itbecause it just really hit home.
(15:16):
It's like, you know, hungerdoesn't wear club colours
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no-transcript, but I thinkthere's a lot of good goes on.
And then we set up this kind ofbreakfast on a Sunday morning
fan support and food banks andcarpenters and we have it in
Birkenhead at the CharlesThompson Mission.
So that's brilliant.
Some of their volunteers turnup, some of ours, and we just
get together.
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So it's brilliant.
And I think they run theseamazing mobile pantries.
I don't know if you've heard ofthem, but they're all around
liverpool and they're likefarmers markets and all the
stuff is set out and it's freshfood and veg and everything.
You pay three pound fifty andyou get about 20 pounds worth of
food but you can choose it.
So it's kind of a step up from afood bank and they're amazing
and they do them all around inLiverpool Lodge Lane and you
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know all that.
It's fantastic.
They're amazing people and Imean things are bad and have
been bad, and Covid they keptgoing in Covid and helped
everybody.
So it's just brilliant andLiverpool and Everton support
them and they have kind ofpermanent places now with those
grounds.
It's just the whole thing haskind of grown and you see a lot
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of fans now going to the gamesand they wouldn't go without
their tin of soup or tin ofbeans or their cereal, you know,
and they all bring it.
It's kind of like bring yourscarf, bring your ticket, bring
your food, but everyone can bepart of that.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Now it's when you talk about.
You've talked about your loveof social media.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And you know we're in a very interesting world right
now where social media can playa really bad part.
Oh, yeah, but it's importantthat we try and find the good
bit.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, it is, and I think I mean I've kind of fallen
out with Twitter.
I mean I'm not calling it X,but I've kind of fallen out with
it because it is so bad onthere.
But I'm torn because I didloads of good on there in terms
of community and charity anddonations.
And I know people say they missmy stories about the Sunday
morning people.
You know I used to tell theirstories and people really liked
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it and they say to me I miss it.
So I probably have I will goback, but you know we just need
a bit of a break tell us aboutthe Sunday morning story so the
Sunday morning stories when Ifirst did it I'm doing it nearly
eight years now, but when Ifirst went there, um and I
haven't really volunteeredbefore, I've always done the
kind of the easy bit, thedonations, the support and all
that, but not the hands-on,because I was really busy and
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the boys were younger.
So, anyway, eight years ago, Ithey said, we set this breakfast
up and I thought I'm going togo.
But when I first went, oh God,I mean, it's tough, it's tough
to see and hear.
So my way of dealing with itwas I'd come home afterwards and
, instead of just sitting therecrying my eyes out, I'd get a
cup of coffee and I'd get myiPad out and I would get on and
say what I heard today andthings like.
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You know, I hear it still nowand I'm not immune to it, but I
think for the first year, thosestories really, I mean, you know
, I think I once wrote about aman who hadn't eaten for four
days.
A pensioner came in, you know,um, and it was when, you know,
the kind of the cost of livingcrisis was really kicking in, so
he couldn't have his oven on orhis cooker, oh god, and I
tweeted about that and I gotlike a million hits and and then
I ended up on, you know, bbcMerseyside Granada reports and
they came to the mission andthey looked, you know, saw what
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we do and I really and then wegot loads of donations on the
back of it, as you can imagine.
So I realized that it's verypowerful.
So I get on and I tell storiesof sometimes happy stories, of
things that would go well forpeople, but mostly they weren't
very happy stories and they werevery tough, but I think people
said to me they didn't realisehow much people were suffering.
So you realise you have thatpower and I think the other
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thing I think when you get olderand you have a business and you
get a bit of success, is youget a voice and people listen to
you and I believe you can usethat voice very powerfully.
I mean, you do it in abrilliant way, but I think you
can use that voice for good.
And that's how, by raising theprofile of the homeless people
and not, I think people thoughtthey'd all be homeless, but some
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of them are pensioners becauseit's so tough to make ends meet
he a niece, you know things likethat.
So, yeah, so that's beenbrilliant.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
You've got to find another outlet for that, Donna.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You can't.
No, I have to go back.
You need to bring that back.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
What do your boys?
You've got twin boys right whoactually we were chatting
earlier and I don't know whetherwe get into the fact that you
know they're dressing up as nunsand vicars but that's your
Christmas day, right.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, that's what we do on Christmas day.
Yeah, I'm the nun and my son'sthe priest.
I mean very normal, just anormal family portrait.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And did they all Irish dance?
No, Because I know you willIrish dance.
If we could just clear thisglass table out of the way, I'm
sure, especially for charityEspecially.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I mean we're all Albert Hall on stage.
I've done it in the GrosvenorHouse Hotel and you know I'm
absolutely shite.
I mean I don't know what I'mdoing, but it doesn't matter.
The thing I realised aboutEngland is I only had to put my
hands by my sides and you thinkI'm great.
So I go for it.
Pretend I've had about twolessons.
So what I'm really scared aboutis ever meeting someone who can
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Irish dance.
You know who will expose me.
I'm like the emperor's newclothes.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Fake it till you make it.
Yeah, I am, I'm faking it.
I've been faking it for years.
I'm wanting to move these mugsout of the way right now.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Oh God, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
All.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'd say is I do need a few glasses of wine, ideally.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Just to loosen me up, just to oil me up, and you're
someone that is so passionate,engaging, just great to be
around.
What's next for you?
Because it for me.
It strikes me that this is,it's like an addiction for you
to yeah to want to give back touse that power.
What's next?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
um, I just keep doing more of the same.
I think I'm very good at thething now is you?
You get a great network, don'tyou?
So people approach me now aboutthings that they're doing and I
come across things.
I mean, the other thing Ireally love is women's football.
Massively into women's footballhave been for a few years
actually.
So we support, like Poor Valewomen, you know, city of
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Liverpool women, the feds Loveall that, and I think you know
that's an extension of equality,isn't it?
You know we've had, we kind ofgot equality in the workplace,
particularly in legal, say, notso much in insurance yet, but
it's on the way.
So for me it's like women'sfootball needs that support,
needs that, you know.
So equality kind of can be inlots of different guises, can't
(21:54):
it?
And football and sport forwomen is one of of them.
But I think you know, yes,spreading myself out, I think I
want to do less day-to-day work.
I want to do more of thatcommunity stuff.
Um, yeah, and just kind of,yeah, and the business runs
really well, we have a CEO and agreat team, so, yeah, it kind
of gives me that freedom,doesn't it, to uh, get out there
(22:14):
and meet people.
I mean Merseyside one of theyear has been great because I've
met so many.
Because I'm a national companybased in Liverpool, I wasn't as
connected to Liverpool really aspeople would have expected, but
by winning that last year I'vegot all these new women, scouser
friends and Scouser networks.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
More dancing.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, I'm a really honorary Scouser now.
So, I think that's beenbrilliant and that's really been
different for me this year.
I mean, I'm doing a conferenceon Wednesday, aren't I?
For Ellie and MediCity Woman ofthe Year, the first business
conference they're doing and I'mgoing to speak at that and
we're sponsoring it.
So I think, yeah, that's openedup more doors for me.
So it's just more of the sameMentoring.
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Massively Love the Girls Network, as you know, do some mentoring
in London for the InsuranceBreakfast Club and I just think
I wish I'd had a mentor,certainly at school.
You know, I always wonder wouldI have left school at 16 if the
Girls Network had been in myschool?
Maybe not, but then I wouldn'tbe able to type.
How would I have lived?
Type fast, jesus, no, I forgetthat, it's alright, but yeah.
(23:15):
So I think more of that andyeah and yeah, I love, I think,
just keeping that fire in yourbelly, you know, keeping on the
move, and just, I think,surrounding yourself with great
people who inspire you, make youlaugh.
You know, sunday morning thosevolunteers are hysterical and
brilliant and hardworking and wehave the best laugh in the most
(23:37):
horrible circumstances.
You know, it's that kind ofcombination of making the best
of it and I just want to do moreof that, if I can.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And what is the one quotation that you kind of live
your life by?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Kindness is free.
Spread that shit everywhere.
We have t-shirts on a Sundaymorning.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
now I was going to say it's going to be on a tote
bag, right, yeah, we have gott-shirts, yeah, and it's funny.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And the people who come in you know our visitors
laugh and they go oh yeah, and Igo.
Well it is.
It doesn't cost a penny to benice to somebody.
I mean, obviously, if you cangive money and food, that's
great, but you know, just ahello or a hug.
There's a lot of hugging on aSunday morning a smile.
Yeah, and just like a bit oflaugh.
You know like I think so and Ithink no judgment, that's really
(24:22):
important as well.
But I think the kindness thingis it's underrated the best
thing ever in the world and itis like a comfort blanket, isn't
it?
So, yeah, more of that.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Donna Scully Scully.
I've just changed your name now.
Oh yeah, I'm trying to see thisanyway, doesn't it?
Donna Scully Scully Scully?
Thank you so much for joiningme today.
You are a total legend andplease keep on spreading that
kindness everywhere.
Thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Donna, thank you very much.
Thanks for asking me.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
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I'm Never imitated, neverreplicated.
Singularly wonderful,everybody's wonder girl.
Well, welcome to the we ArePower podcast.
I'm.
Do you know what?
Every week, I talk to some ofthe most amazing people and I
love diving into the backstory.
Where did they come from?
How did they get there?
This woman, Donna Scully, howlong have we got?
(01:02):
Oh God, how would you describeyourself?
In three words, Because it'sgreat, you know you are
Carpenters Group co-owner 30years anniversary, but how would
you describe yourself?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I think Irish, a traveller, an immigrant, you
know like I'm not in my hometownor my home country, and I've
ended up here and it's brilliantand it's been and I suppose
just the journey, just kind oflooking back and when I look at
those things and things thathappen, I think how did I get to
here?
And it's brilliant and you knowit's obviously been.
I mean, some of it's been been.
I mean some part of it's beenreally tough, but most of it's
been great fun and and whenpeople listen and you know, no
(01:50):
one adventure or careeradventure is the same.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Is it?
You know, and everyone assumesthat if you work in law which
you do and you kind of own thebusiness right, but everyone
assumes that you have a set pathand you went to uni and you had
privilege and you had advantage.
Where did it start for you?
Newcastle.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, well, it starts in Dublin, in a convent school
in inner city Dublin 40, 45 in aclass.
And I laugh about this becausethe only science I did was
domestic science, because reallythe nuns were preparing us to
get married.
That was the whole kind of, youknow, career path that we were
supposed to take as women, um,and then, you know, I left
(02:33):
school at 16, which was crazy,but further education just
wasn't really for people like meand the nuns didn't encourage
it.
Um, you know, I, my granny,kind of brought me up, um, and
you know, they kind of just letme do what I wanted to do.
But I did a secretarial course,which they did at the school.
So that kind of made me, pushedme, towards being a secretary,
(02:53):
but I ended up.
You start as an office junior,don't you?
And then you work away.
But I became a legal secretarywhen I was about 18.
So that was my introduction tolaw and I liked it.
I worked for a young lawyer inDublin city centre and that was
kind of that went on, I think,about 19,.
I went on holiday, met aGeordie in Torremolinos and then
(03:14):
I emigrated to Newcastle when Iwas 20.
And that's kind of it was alegal secretary there for a
while, and that's when I startedto study law part-time, because
I thought there has to be more.
I want to do more.
You know, I don't want to be asecretary for the next 40 years,
so that's kind of how itstarted.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And when you were in that role, you didn't have an
assistant, did you?
Because you could do all yourown typing.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, yeah yeah, I mean it's mad, isn't it?
Because?
And that kind of became quitewhen I moved to London from
Newcastle.
That was the weird bit becauseeverybody no one could type.
Who was a lawyer?
Because they didn't learn totype and I was this freaky
lawyer who could do my owntyping I'm like 80 words a
minute, touch typist and it kindof was bad in a way because
they made me do more.
Whereas some people gotsecretary of support, I didn't.
(03:55):
But then in a way, I was quiteattractive because I was cheap
and even now Cost effective,Donna, Cost effective even now.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I mean cost effective , not cheap.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's a bad word, but yeah, even now I mean, I can
type 80 words a minute.
So which people hate in thebusiness?
Because I can type memos tothem which are really emails
that are really long.
But yeah, it's funny enough ifyou said to me what's the best
thing I've ever learned in mylife?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
practically it's to type and do you think you've
always been one of those peoplewho's sort of flown ahead?
Like you know, the is there.
There's something in the powerin that typing right.
Yeah, the speed of it I got.
I taught, got taught to type inthe navy when I was a radio
operator and we had a bigkeyboard up on the screen and it
had light up letters and that'show.
And now, oh, it's brilliant,how can you do that without
(04:39):
looking?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
it was great, it's brilliant and it really is
helpful.
You know, if you want to doblogs, I do a bit of writing and
I do it all myself because it'smuch easier.
You know, I mean, I have a PA,john, and I share one, but she
does all the practical stuffbooking things and all that.
I do all my own typing.
It's just very easy.
It's great having it and I'mdelighted.
I didn't realize where I was.
(05:01):
I did have a secretary, youknow, as I kind of went up the
ladder a bit because they said,oh, it's not cost effective for
you to type, we'll get someone,and it was like really weird, I
hated it, you know.
When I got back into it then Iwas like, you know, I'd rather
do my own typing, it's muchbetter.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So what brought you from the beautiful Newcastle
over to the beautiful Liverpool?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well, I went via London, so London was, so the
guy Rivers everywhere, rightWell the guy that I went I was
with in Newcastle, my Georgieboyfriend, who I had for a while
.
He took up photography andobviously I was studying law.
So I was flexible, I was doingthe legal exec course and I
could do that anywhere that wastransferable.
So we both decided to go toLondon together and we did, and
(05:43):
we stayed together for a fewyears down there and then we
split up and then I kind of kepton studying law and I worked in
a couple of really big lawfirms in London, which was
really Brilliant in the sense ofI couldn't believe I was there.
I mean, mishkondorea was one ofthe places I worked.
But when I look back it reallymade me very insecure and
drowning in imposter syndrome,because everybody there was,
(06:05):
like you know, they didn't askyour name there when you went in
.
They go which university didyou go to before your name?
And you know, when you go, Ididn't go to university, you
university, they like, cannotbelieve that this is your life,
you know, and you think God.
So that did make me feel quiteinsecure for a while and then I
just battled on.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
But how did you battle that?
Because there is that.
It's that labelling, isn't it?
And back in the day, we didn'tgive things like imposter
syndrome or we didn't givethings names.
You think it's just, you, don'tyou?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I just sat there and thought I feel really inferior
and I was used to think, imagineif they saw my house, where I'm
from, you know things like that, and I think now I can't give a
shit what they think in myhouse.
But at that time, you know, 24,25 I was like, oh god, I was so
in, you know it.
Really, I was really um I hatesaying embarrassed because it's
a terrible word, but you'redefinitely keeping your head
(07:00):
down, you know, and you don'twant to be asked too many
questions.
And the thing I love now aboutgetting older and having worked
my way through it all is I don'tcare, I am who I am, you know.
But during that time I didn'twant to be me and I was very,
you know, I definitely didn'twant to talk about it.
So it's a learning curve, isn'tit?
And you know you have to getthrough that really to come out
(07:20):
the other side.
And it's funny, the people Iwas friends with at Mishcons I'm
still friends with people thereand they had a great education
compared to me and they laughbecause I've ended up with my
own business and you know I'mdoing things like this and they
go.
God, you know that little scally, you know has ended up doing
all this stuff.
(07:40):
So yeah, I think the thing forme I like is that if there's
kind of people out there like me, I say to them don't give up,
Keep battling away, and therewill be shitty times and you
will feel a bit weird, but justkeep going and I think the more
people like me that are around,we won't feel so weird.
That's kind of why I likesocial mobility, you know, and
you know we need more kind ofrepresentation of different
(08:01):
people, don't we in all the jobs?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Absolutely.
Here's the total visibility.
That's why we seek to thriveand exist, isn't it?
Because we want to shine alight on amazing humans like
yourself.
What was the point where youwent?
You know what I'm going to bethe Scully lawyer, entrepreneur.
What was that big leap?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think, the big leap for me.
I left London and I moved uphere because my husband's a
Scouser.
So I came up here and I wasgoing to get a job in the law
firm up here because I was apersonal injury lawyer.
I had a few years under my belt.
I could get quite a senior role.
I'd want to be a partnersomewhere.
And then John said join me.
And he had this little nichecommercial practice and he said
come and join me and set up yourpersonal injury motor insurance
(08:44):
work and you know, take it, seehow it goes.
And I was like Jesus Christ, Imean what does that mean?
I mean I've no clients, I'venever done, I've never been
self-employed, I don't know whatI'm doing.
So I think another thing alongthe way is finding this person
who believes in you and thinksyou're great and you can do this
and you don't think you can.
And I think he really had thismassive amount of faith in me.
(09:07):
And the other thing I think Isay to people, especially if I
do some mentoring, is have a go,because what's the worst thing
that can happen?
I've always said to myself whenI left Dublin to go to
Newcastle, I got a month'sreturn flight on Danair.
So I said if it doesn't workout, I'm going back down there.
And I said when I went toLondon again.
I said I can go back to Dublinor I can go back to Newcastle
and the same.
When I came here I thought ifit doesn't work out with John,
(09:30):
I'll go back somewhere that I'vebeen, that I liked, and I think
for this thought, if it doesn'twork out doing it myself and
working with John, I'll go andget that job in Liverpool that I
was going to get anyway.
So I think it's try it.
I'm a real, real, like you knowproponent of have a go.
What's the worst that canhappen?
And the thing I think is, if Ihadn't have done those things, I
(09:50):
wouldn't be sitting here.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And when you sort of had that well, how do I do it?
I haven't got any clients.
Where did you start?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Jesus, I started with computers Because I started by
saying, if we're going to dothis?
Because I worked in London andthey had great computers but
nobody could make them work andnobody was developing them.
You know, they were justsitting there like antiques.
So I said we're going to get acomputer system and we're going
to set that up and then we'regoing to go and try and get the
work because we'll show them ourgreat computer system and you
(10:19):
know, I know what I'm doing abit and all that.
So that's kind of the start ofit.
We sort of set that up and thenwe got a little bit of work,
then another little bit andyou're just proving yourself.
I mean, I remember celebrating.
We got one case a week, so sofour cases a month off a little
insurance company and we wentand had a bottle of champagne
because it was so exciting, youknow.
But yeah, you just have to keepplugging away and also getting
(10:42):
the right people.
Yeah, we've got some goodpeople in.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And it is about celebrating the small wins, oh
yeah, and the big wins.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, and I'm Irish, I love celebrating, so you know,
I think yeah.
No-transcript.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And you talk about small wins, like right now.
Your trophy cabinet is immense,right Reigning Merseyside Woman
of the Year champion, the onlynon-scouser or the only first
Irish winner which is amazing,well-deserved, literally the
weekend just gone, top 100.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Global insurance people I know Hello.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
They're all laughing in Dublin when they hear that.
But this trophy cabinet'sgetting bigger, right it's funny
, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I laugh about this.
I was saying this to John, likeI've been doing this job for
nearly 30 years.
I've been up here 28 years thisyear and you plug away, you
work away, and then it's likethey're like buses, aren't they?
Because I didn't win anythingfor years, obviously.
And then all of a sudden, youknow, and I really love what I
love about what's happened inthe last few years is people
(12:10):
have taken the time to nominateme, to go away, like even you
know when, when it was yourthing, it was like somebody sat
down and wrote the story aboutwhy I should win.
And even for Mayor's DecideWoman of the Year, I know a lot
of people got together and putthat nomination together and I
think that's so touching, isn'tit?
And like that really likefloors me that people can be
(12:32):
bothered to do that.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
But you're somebody.
Throughout your whole careeryou've talked about mentoring.
You're someone who's been sopassionate about giving back,
paying forward.
You were shortlisted for mentorfor northern power women awards
weren't you but why is thatmentoring?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
so I think, I think I think it's natural because of
where I come from.
I I feel like when you have mybackground and you've managed to
get to this stage and to havethose opportunities and to you
know, for it to have gone well,I just feel you have to have
this duty, don't you?
I have this feeling that it'sfor me just to do it and say
(13:05):
it's great is fine, but quiteselfish For me to say I'm going
to drag a load of peoplehopefully with me, you know,
hopefully inspire themphysically, support them.
I mean, the great thing abouthaving a business is it's very
powerful and like me.
You know, doing a bit ofvolunteering or helping is one
thing, but when I can do itthrough the business and 1500
(13:26):
people, you know, when I canoffer apprenticeships in the
business, you know workexperience, when I can look
around the business and seeloads of Donna's not loads of
those people at Mishkondorealike there's loads of people
like me when I look and we're50-50 men and women top to
bottom.
Because when you know, 30-40years ago I wasn't treated very
(13:48):
well as a woman, especially inLondon, especially in posh law
firms, you know you were, myeducation wasn't good enough.
You know you're looked at foryour looks, aren't you?
I mean, there was a lot ofsexual harassment, especially
before Me Too, so I love that.
I don't want to see thatthere's no room for that in the
world, really, and I think abusiness should, you know, be
representative of society.
So, you know, I think thatthat's very powerful and I
(14:11):
really like that, and I think Ijust think that's what we should
do.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And you talk about using that power and owning a
business is powerful, but thisis about using your powerful
good and one of the things thatyou've been driving is the fans
and food banks right you knowmassive Liverpool fan.
How did that come about?
Where did that fit in?
Not Newcastle?
I'm quite observant.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I am quite observant and I'm I'm a big social media
fan, aren't I?
And the great part of socialmedia is you find good stuff on
there.
And I saw them on social media,their Twitter site, and then I
went to a game and I saw the vanand Dave Kelly and Ian Byrne
and Robbie were there.
So I went and asked them andsaid why are you here?
(14:54):
You know what's go, what's,what is this about?
And they said it's just fanactivism.
You know, people in Merseysideare hungry, which is like.
And they said so we do.
We do Everton and we doLiverpool games and we collect
food and clothes and anything.
And they said this to me.
I want to cry when I hear itbecause it just really hit home.
(15:16):
It's like, you know, hungerdoesn't wear club colours
(15:45):
no-transcript, but I thinkthere's a lot of good goes on.
And then we set up this kind ofbreakfast on a Sunday morning
fan support and food banks andcarpenters and we have it in
Birkenhead at the CharlesThompson Mission.
So that's brilliant.
Some of their volunteers turnup, some of ours, and we just
get together.
(16:05):
So it's brilliant.
And I think they run theseamazing mobile pantries.
I don't know if you've heard ofthem, but they're all around
liverpool and they're likefarmers markets and all the
stuff is set out and it's freshfood and veg and everything.
You pay three pound fifty andyou get about 20 pounds worth of
food but you can choose it.
So it's kind of a step up from afood bank and they're amazing
and they do them all around inLiverpool Lodge Lane and you
(16:29):
know all that.
It's fantastic.
They're amazing people and Imean things are bad and have
been bad, and Covid they keptgoing in Covid and helped
everybody.
So it's just brilliant andLiverpool and Everton support
them and they have kind ofpermanent places now with those
grounds.
It's just the whole thing haskind of grown and you see a lot
(16:49):
of fans now going to the gamesand they wouldn't go without
their tin of soup or tin ofbeans or their cereal, you know,
and they all bring it.
It's kind of like bring yourscarf, bring your ticket, bring
your food, but everyone can bepart of that.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Now it's when you talk about.
You've talked about your loveof social media.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And you know we're in a very interesting world right
now where social media can playa really bad part.
Oh, yeah, but it's importantthat we try and find the good
bit.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, it is, and I think I mean I've kind of fallen
out with Twitter.
I mean I'm not calling it X,but I've kind of fallen out with
it because it is so bad onthere.
But I'm torn because I didloads of good on there in terms
of community and charity anddonations.
And I know people say they missmy stories about the Sunday
morning people.
You know I used to tell theirstories and people really liked
(17:37):
it and they say to me I miss it.
So I probably have I will goback, but you know we just need
a bit of a break tell us aboutthe Sunday morning story so the
Sunday morning stories when Ifirst did it I'm doing it nearly
eight years now, but when Ifirst went there, um and I
haven't really volunteeredbefore, I've always done the
kind of the easy bit, thedonations, the support and all
that, but not the hands-on,because I was really busy and
(17:58):
the boys were younger.
So, anyway, eight years ago, Ithey said, we set this breakfast
up and I thought I'm going togo.
But when I first went, oh God,I mean, it's tough, it's tough
to see and hear.
So my way of dealing with itwas I'd come home afterwards and
, instead of just sitting therecrying my eyes out, I'd get a
cup of coffee and I'd get myiPad out and I would get on and
say what I heard today andthings like.
(18:28):
You know, I hear it still nowand I'm not immune to it, but I
think for the first year, thosestories really, I mean, you know
, I think I once wrote about aman who hadn't eaten for four
days.
A pensioner came in, you know,um, and it was when, you know,
the kind of the cost of livingcrisis was really kicking in, so
he couldn't have his oven on orhis cooker, oh god, and I
tweeted about that and I gotlike a million hits and and then
I ended up on, you know, bbcMerseyside Granada reports and
they came to the mission andthey looked, you know, saw what
(18:50):
we do and I really and then wegot loads of donations on the
back of it, as you can imagine.
So I realized that it's verypowerful.
So I get on and I tell storiesof sometimes happy stories, of
things that would go well forpeople, but mostly they weren't
very happy stories and they werevery tough, but I think people
said to me they didn't realisehow much people were suffering.
So you realise you have thatpower and I think the other
(19:12):
thing I think when you get olderand you have a business and you
get a bit of success, is youget a voice and people listen to
you and I believe you can usethat voice very powerfully.
I mean, you do it in abrilliant way, but I think you
can use that voice for good.
And that's how, by raising theprofile of the homeless people
and not, I think people thoughtthey'd all be homeless, but some
(19:33):
of them are pensioners becauseit's so tough to make ends meet
he a niece, you know things likethat.
So, yeah, so that's beenbrilliant.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
You've got to find another outlet for that, Donna.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You can't.
No, I have to go back.
You need to bring that back.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
What do your boys?
You've got twin boys right whoactually we were chatting
earlier and I don't know whetherwe get into the fact that you
know they're dressing up as nunsand vicars but that's your
Christmas day, right.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, that's what we do on Christmas day.
Yeah, I'm the nun and my son'sthe priest.
I mean very normal, just anormal family portrait.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And did they all Irish dance?
No, Because I know you willIrish dance.
If we could just clear thisglass table out of the way, I'm
sure, especially for charityEspecially.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
I mean we're all Albert Hall on stage.
I've done it in the GrosvenorHouse Hotel and you know I'm
absolutely shite.
I mean I don't know what I'mdoing, but it doesn't matter.
The thing I realised aboutEngland is I only had to put my
hands by my sides and you thinkI'm great.
So I go for it.
Pretend I've had about twolessons.
So what I'm really scared aboutis ever meeting someone who can
(20:35):
Irish dance.
You know who will expose me.
I'm like the emperor's newclothes.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Fake it till you make it.
Yeah, I am, I'm faking it.
I've been faking it for years.
I'm wanting to move these mugsout of the way right now.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Oh God, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
All.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'd say is I do need a few glasses of wine, ideally.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Just to loosen me up, just to oil me up, and you're
someone that is so passionate,engaging, just great to be
around.
What's next for you?
Because it for me.
It strikes me that this is,it's like an addiction for you
to yeah to want to give back touse that power.
What's next?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
um, I just keep doing more of the same.
I think I'm very good at thething now is you?
You get a great network, don'tyou?
So people approach me now aboutthings that they're doing and I
come across things.
I mean, the other thing Ireally love is women's football.
Massively into women's footballhave been for a few years
actually.
So we support, like Poor Valewomen, you know, city of
(21:33):
Liverpool women, the feds Loveall that, and I think you know
that's an extension of equality,isn't it?
You know we've had, we kind ofgot equality in the workplace,
particularly in legal, say, notso much in insurance yet, but
it's on the way.
So for me it's like women'sfootball needs that support,
needs that, you know.
So equality kind of can be inlots of different guises, can't
(21:54):
it?
And football and sport forwomen is one of of them.
But I think you know, yes,spreading myself out, I think I
want to do less day-to-day work.
I want to do more of thatcommunity stuff.
Um, yeah, and just kind of,yeah, and the business runs
really well, we have a CEO and agreat team, so, yeah, it kind
of gives me that freedom,doesn't it, to uh, get out there
(22:14):
and meet people.
I mean Merseyside one of theyear has been great because I've
met so many.
Because I'm a national companybased in Liverpool, I wasn't as
connected to Liverpool really aspeople would have expected, but
by winning that last year I'vegot all these new women, scouser
friends and Scouser networks.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
More dancing.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Well, I'm a really honorary Scouser now.
So, I think that's beenbrilliant and that's really been
different for me this year.
I mean, I'm doing a conferenceon Wednesday, aren't I?
For Ellie and MediCity Woman ofthe Year, the first business
conference they're doing and I'mgoing to speak at that and
we're sponsoring it.
So I think, yeah, that's openedup more doors for me.
So it's just more of the sameMentoring.
(22:53):
Massively Love the Girls Network, as you know, do some mentoring
in London for the InsuranceBreakfast Club and I just think
I wish I'd had a mentor,certainly at school.
You know, I always wonder wouldI have left school at 16 if the
Girls Network had been in myschool?
Maybe not, but then I wouldn'tbe able to type.
How would I have lived?
Type fast, jesus, no, I forgetthat, it's alright, but yeah.
(23:15):
So I think more of that andyeah and yeah, I love, I think,
just keeping that fire in yourbelly, you know, keeping on the
move, and just, I think,surrounding yourself with great
people who inspire you, make youlaugh.
You know, sunday morning thosevolunteers are hysterical and
brilliant and hardworking and wehave the best laugh in the most
(23:37):
horrible circumstances.
You know, it's that kind ofcombination of making the best
of it and I just want to do moreof that, if I can.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And what is the one quotation that you kind of live
your life by?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Kindness is free.
Spread that shit everywhere.
We have t-shirts on a Sundaymorning.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
now I was going to say it's going to be on a tote
bag, right, yeah, we have gott-shirts, yeah, and it's funny.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
And the people who come in you know our visitors
laugh and they go oh yeah, and Igo.
Well it is.
It doesn't cost a penny to benice to somebody.
I mean, obviously, if you cangive money and food, that's
great, but you know, just ahello or a hug.
There's a lot of hugging on aSunday morning a smile.
Yeah, and just like a bit oflaugh.
You know like I think so and Ithink no judgment, that's really
(24:22):
important as well.
But I think the kindness thingis it's underrated the best
thing ever in the world and itis like a comfort blanket, isn't
it?
So, yeah, more of that.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Donna Scully Scully.
I've just changed your name now.
Oh yeah, I'm trying to see thisanyway, doesn't it?
Donna Scully Scully Scully?
Thank you so much for joiningme today.
You are a total legend andplease keep on spreading that
kindness everywhere.
Thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Donna, thank you very much.
Thanks for asking me.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
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