December 8, 2025 • 25 mins
In this episode, we speak with Kate McKenna, a BBC Sport assistant producer who went from Liverpool FC tour guide to working on some of the world’s biggest sporting events, without industry connections. Kate shares how saying “yes” to unexpected opportunities helped her break into one of the most competitive industries, and why careers rarely unfold in a straight line.
She takes us behind the scenes of life at BBC Sport, where no two days look the same. From coordinating VTs in the intensity of live athletics broadcasts to travelling globally for major sporting events, Kate’s career is filled with “pinch me” moments she never imagined at the start.
But her story is also about navigating identity, confidence, and belonging. As a woman in sports broadcasting, Kate opens up about finding the balance between fitting in and staying true to herself, and how self-awareness has shaped both her storytelling and her leadership.
You’ll hear:
➡️ How to break into competitive industries
➡️ The reality of working behind the scenes in elite sports broadcasting
➡️ Why saying “yes” can open doors you didn’t know existed
➡️ Navigating authenticity, confidence, and visibility as a woman in sport
➡️ Why mentoring younger women is essential to industry change
➡️ What makes great sports storytelling and why concise, human stories matter
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Hello and welcome to thisweek's we Are Power podcast.
I am delighted to be joined byKate today.
Kate, welcome to the podcast.
Now you are future-less from2016.
You are OG.
Yes, you are the OG.
Now tell us what do you do.
(01:04):
What's your name?
Where do you come from?
You can do that because we'rein Liverpool and I feel like I'm
Scylla.
My name's.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Kate, I'm originally from the Wirral but now in
Manchester because I work forBBC Sport.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And what do you do?
Because I bet it's not the sameevery day.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, my job title is an assistant assistant producer
, but it really depends on whatshow or event I'm working on,
because it there's like so manydifferent types of producing,
especially like with in sportsand with the BBC.
So, like some days, like whenit's live sport, I'll just go
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through my year.
Actually, this year, like so,the European um athletics
championships we were in Salford, most of us and I was in the TV
gallery doing a VT coordinatorrole.
So I'm like behind the directorand um editor making sure that
all the VTs videotapes are thereand when they're coming in.
(02:04):
But because it's live sport, itkind of like it's those shouty
jobs, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
It's like oh, where's that, where's that, where's
that?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, come in, come in, come in, come in.
It's all that.
But I love chaos, so I'm likedown for that.
And then during this summer Iwas on Queens and Wimbledon and
that was a lot more, making surethat every single interview was
happening and that we weregetting all the right filming
bits.
It's a bit more logistical, butalso writing questions when I
(02:34):
need to for some reporters ifthey hadn't managed to catch
everything or they needed toknow more stuff.
It's really a mixed bag.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You've had quite the whirlwind, I think, of the
career, haven't you so far atthe BBC.
What has been your?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
oh, my goodness, pinch me moment, oh that's
difficult, because Every day,well, my big goal was always to
work on Olympics at sight, andthat happened last summer.
And I had a mini moment of itthen when I was like, oh my god,
I'm at the olympic gymnastics,which is my dream.
(03:10):
But it actually happened abouta year or so before that.
Um, it might have been when Ifirst got to Wimbledon actually
to work on Wimbledon, which wasthe in 2023, because I'd spent
so many years begging everydepartment to get there and then
I was like, oh my gosh, I'mactually here.
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And then that summer I thenwent to Cape Town with the
Netball World Cup and toBudapest for the World Athletics
and at the end of that summerthat was my oh wow.
I can't believe I've just donethat summer.
And do you have a favouritesport?
Yeah, gymnastics.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Always.
Was that your pathway, was thatyour?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yes and no.
It was my sport when I was achild.
I did it into my teens.
I was training at county level.
I then became a coach in mylate teens.
So if my qualifications stillexist, I think I'm qualified to
run my own gymnastics club stillto this day and I did that at
18 like that qualificationprobably shouldn't have, because
(04:14):
now thinking that's like areally young age to be able to
do that, um, but then I didn'treally go near gymnastics.
Until my late 20s I started toget to adult gymnastics classes,
um, but it was never really.
British gymnastics were great.
They used to give meopportunities to work on the
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British Championships, becausethey're always here in Liverpool
and they have been since 2013.
So that was like my early jobs,but it's so difficult when I,
like I'm trying to think of thebest way to say it.
Gymnastics isn't a sport thateveryone thinks about as a sport
, so it's a small team at workon it for BBC, because we've got
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the rights and it only happenstwice a year.
So you kind of can't put allyour hopes on that one sport.
If anything, I'm going to sayfootball's the bread and butter.
Yeah, you've got to know yourfootball, you've got to love
football, and I did work infootball, for I've worked in
football since 2010, when Ibecame a tour guide at Liverpool
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Football Club.
Oh, wow.
So I was there for six years asa tour guide and I'd say that
was more my entry, because itwas having that job that got me
noticed by like women infootball, and then they got me
into getting football jobs andBBC jobs.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So it's the power of that community.
Yeah, yeah.
Because I think, if you lookback at you know you talk about
the pinch me moment of one ofthem being the Olympics.
But if you think of youryounger self, uh, we're all
running, you know, you know, andwe're all running those
gymnastic sessions when you wereyounger, with us coaching, to
then being in the olympics.
But it's, it's not easy, isn'tit?
(05:58):
You talked right at the startabout, you know, begging and you
know sort of it takes anelement of resilience, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
oh yeah, and I I think I'm now in my I don't know
, I'm 36.
I'm like, is that mid or late30s?
I want to keep saying mid andI'm like, is that?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, you're young anyway, so it's all good but I
feel like there's a part of methat's like exhausted now and I
do think part of that is havingso much resilience in my 20s
that I'm now like oh I'm, Ican't be bothered anymore with
like having the resilience still.
So it can catch up to you inthat way.
And it is a difficult industry.
(06:36):
I had no contacts.
I didn't, I don't know anyonein TV, in sports industry.
I did have to make all thecontacts myself and I had to
yeah, as you said, beg.
I had to like ask for everyopportunity, even like one job
that I remember, um ShellyAlexander, who was nominated
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she's one, one of the women whowas on the women's football
board and she helped me out somuch and one of the jobs.
She was like, okay, so this ismore of an admin job, it's just
for, like I think, six weeks orsomething like that, I can't
remember.
Um, we just need someone to dothis like spreadsheet thing for
like the business side of sport.
And I was like, yeah, I'll doit.
(07:17):
And it was just literally goingthrough all the hours of sport
and divvying up where it hadbeen and what sport it was, and
just making a spreadsheet sothat they could use that.
And it was all to make this onestat that then the director of
sport talked to houses ofparliament and I'm like, oh, I
can see where it's gone.
(07:38):
So that's pretty cool.
But also, spending those weeksmeant I got to meet people and I
got people to remember me.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And that's been a key then, hasn't it?
You've mentioned Women inFootball, who are a phenomenal
organisation, and there's peoplethat we know You've mentioned
Shelley we talked about RuthShaw before but the power of
that community and multiplecommunities, you can never
underestimate the power of thatnetwork can you no?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
and multiple communities.
You can never underestimate thepower of that network, can you
no?
Um, I like I remember like wego right to the back to the
beginning of my career women infootball was my first job
officially, but actually, no, no, it wasn't, but it was.
I got the interview for womenin football and it was a phone
interview and it was joannetongue who, um, who was doing
(08:27):
the phone interview?
And in the middle of it shewent wait, you're a talker at
liverpool.
And I went, yeah, and she wentokay, do you want?
She was executive producer of606 at the time.
She went do you want to comeand work on my show?
Then, and it's just like thephone answer a job.
And I was like, yeah.
So that was my first actual joband that was end of 2012.
I was still at uni, um, on myfinal year of uni and that.
(08:50):
But I wouldn't have got thathad I not been given the
opportunity to apply for thiswomen in football internship and
I think there's a key.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Sometimes we talk a lot about advocacy and allyship
and mentorship and sponsorshipand all those kind of words, but
fundamentally I think the thingthat's dawned on me recently
it's great to be curious andlisten and be a good ally and be
understanding, but one of thebiggest things that you can give
as an advocate or ally is anopportunity, a job yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Hoping an opportunity .
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Right yeah, and it doesn't matter whether it's a
spreadsheet or it doesn't matter, but the fact that someone
thinks that you can and opensthat door, it's forever
priceless, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's even, I think, just staying in contact with
people.
So at Wimbledon this summerthere is at Wimbledon themselves
.
They have their ownbroadcasting network that we
work with with BBC, and theyhire a group of younger people,
essentially like a runner runnerjob.
But every time you go outfilming on the premises you have
to take one of these broadcastliaisons and I always just get
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chatting to them, find out whatit is they want to do, and I've
ended up connecting with a fewof them on Instagram, because
some young girls want to beproducers or camera assistants
and I'm thinking where is it?
I could maybe help them out,whereas I can see a job and send
it to them.
Or if there's any likeopportunities within work where
we just need someone for like amonth or something, I could say,
(10:12):
oh well, there's this personwho worked on Wimbledon and I'm
probably thinking now, as you'vejust said, you need that
opportunity.
That's because that's what Ihad beginning of my career and
I'd like to be able to helpyounger girls get that too,
because it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It is, and what advice would you give to your
younger Kate?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Maybe don't take everything, so personally I mean
, but I still do that.
So that's why I'm laughing,because I'm like I think I'd
give all the advice, you're nottaking your own medicine, right?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I still don't take.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But, um, I yeah, I get very emotionally connected
to too many things and then Ioverthink everything I've said
and I'll overthink out thiswhole entire conversation, most
likely as well, and I I think Iwish I'd thought about it a lot
younger.
Whereas someone said to me onceyou're not the main character
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in everyone's story, and I'mlike, oh yeah, and it that helps
a little bit, like no one caresas much as I do about what I've
said in a sense, unless it'slike been hurtful, but like I
mean just me talking.
And maybe I'm like, oh, I talktoo much, I talk too much, and
it's like, no, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's great advice, and that's great advice that's
not just for at the start ofyour career, that's all the way
through.
I'm taking that right nowbecause sometimes you do, you
take it all in, don't you?
And you're like, oh goodness,what's people gonna think, and
whatever.
And you're like, yeah, theydon't care literally.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But it's like it is still very difficult to remember
it when you're really really inthe, in that zone, and you're
like, oh my god, everyone hatesme, everyone hates me and I had
that quite a bit coming throughand I think part of it maybe
being a girl in the very maleworld, yeah, another part of it
(12:01):
a loud, loud girl, bit scouse,you know all of these things
together.
I did stand out and then you'dhave people being like you just
need to play the game, maybe notstand out as much, and I'd be
like no, I'm gonna be a peacock,like I have this conflicting
thing of I really want to fit in, but I also want to be an my
(12:23):
own person how do you managethat?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
how do you manage the ?
Fit into the peacock not verywell do you do days of each or
hours of each, or do you have tostand back, or do you?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think, as I've got older, I've noticed a bit more
when I'm peacocking too muchthat's not a verb, kate to
peacock, but so maybe I mightstand back a little bit if I'm
like, oh no, you are being a bittoo much.
But I'm also like part of it isand I hate being one of these
people does this.
I found out I have ADHD thisyear and I'm like, oh yeah,
(12:53):
makes sense.
I'm like, so, actually that'salways been who I am and I can't
really change that.
So maybe I'll just embrace itand just be more peacock and how
.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
So now you've, you've , you have that diagnosis, yeah,
how does that fit into yourworld?
Because you're dealing withglobal pressure.
You know, global sportingpressure, global sporting events
.
With that immense pressure,right, how do you prep?
Is it about the preparation?
Is it about how do you getyourself?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
how do you deal with that?
The funny thing is and I wastalking to some of the most
senior women recently about thiswhen everything's go, go, go,
that's when.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I'm best In the shouty world.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
It's not just in the shouty world At events, when you
can't really sit down becauseyou've got to go and do
something else and somethingelse and loads of little faffy
jobs.
That's when I thrive, it's thesitting down, it's taking time
off, when I'm not going away oranything, I'm just at home,
because I've worked, maybe withthe tennis as a month straight.
So it's like, okay, now you'vegot like two weeks off to
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balance out your hours and I waslike I can't afford to go away,
so I'm literally just sittingat home doing nothing.
And that's when I hate it, whenit's quiet and I've got nothing
to do and it.
Then I try and fill that time,but I'm actually physically
exhausted.
So that's a balance I'm stilltrying to figure out.
What do you love?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
when you're not trying to fill time for the sake
of it.
What do you like?
What do you like doing whenyou're not?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
oh, I like, I do like being active.
I used to love going to adultgymnastics but I had a major
knee injury.
I did my ACL a few years backand I've now re-injured the knee
and I have to have anothersurgery on this knee.
So I'm now not allowed to runor jump until surgery, which god
(14:45):
knows when that will be.
So I'm doing a lot of walkingat the minute.
I love yoga and Pilates isgreat, but it's just trying to
balance the, the knee and what Iwant to do and I love singing.
So I'm in a choir.
Oh, absolutely love it, and thatis something that whenever I am
(15:06):
feeling a little bit low, I'llalways go back to.
Just like I'll go in thekitchen and I'll put on a
karaoke playlist on YouTube andI'll just sing a bunch of
different songs.
What's on that playlist, kate?
Oh, do you know what?
I actually just wanted to havea sing today.
So I did have a.
I did a few today and what wasit?
I like there's an artist calledLeve.
I absolutely love singing hersongs, but some older ones, like
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the Cranberries, linger andDreams.
I love singing the Cranberries.
Eva Cassidy did Autumn Leavesbecause it's autumn.
I love anything like that Alittle bit of Doris Day.
Ella Fitzgerald, I go all overthe place.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Does that take you into your sort of like happy
place or safe space?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, especially if you've got like a belty song and
you can just like kind of likeit's like a scream, isn't it
letting it all out?
But I also, I think part ofthat is like a Merseyside thing
like music.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, it's in the blood, right when.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I went to Manchester I found that really difficult,
that not every bar and everyplace you go to eat has got live
music on.
I'm like, wait what?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
no, there's an option no, yeah, we are power.
We are power.
Oaky, that's that's now.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's got to be something we've got to look at
but even like open mic nightsback at home on the whirl, it
was always accessible foreveryone and it's not like that
around the rest of the country.
I've been to open mic nights.
I'm like wait, you don't havejust a resident guitarist okay,
you've got to take your own.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That's what you've got to do now.
You have a fun fact that you dohandstands everywhere.
Uh, even with broken bones.
What is the most random oriconic place that you've pulled
one of those off?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
oh, it has to be under the olympic rings this
last summer yeah, I did do thatin paris I was like there's your
pinch me moment.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Right there, isn't it ?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
took me back and stocks off and my friend was
like, no, you're not doing ahandstand.
Yesterday, I'm doing ahandstand.
Um, that was, yeah, this hasgot to be my favorite one.
But the most broken was, uh,just, I fractured my elbow and I
had I was doing some kind ofyoga challenge I can't remember
why, but it was a handstand dayand I was like, yeah, I'm going
to do a handstand and myhousemates went how and I just
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got into a plank against thewall and then jumped my hand
back as I climbed my feet up andI got into a handstand.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh, so you're the person that makes me look so bad
when I'm in that yoga studio.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You'll be all over it , won't you?
And I'll be like I'm like theone going.
Ah, I'm so broken now, though,so there's not many things I can
do anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But that is because you have.
You've got that performing artsside as well, hasn't it?
That still sits with you.
Clearly.
You know that is part of whoyou are.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, I absolutely.
I guess the two work hand inhand.
When you're doing a gymnasticsfloor, you are always performing
a floor, for sure, and equallyyour role.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You're creating stories, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, telling stories , that's exactly what you're
doing every day, All the timeand I might have a different way
of telling stories, like I amso much more driven by a
personal story, anything that'skind of got a bit of a not
romance but a romance within itand like, yeah, I'm the girl
that'll watch rom-coms that oneafter each other and oh yeah,
(18:18):
I'm not yeah, I like to try andbring that side of me into sport
as well.
favorite film oh well, I do know, but no one really.
Mascazar, oh, I love my itzarro.
It's got everything.
It's got action, it's gotromance, it's got very good
actors.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Explosions, and is there a story that you would
love to tell or you would loveto produce that if you had
unlimited resources and accessto dollars?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Oh yeah, I keep pitching.
Can I do something on collegegymnastics?
Okay, I wanted.
I would love to make adocumentary on college
gymnastics, but it's in Americaand spending but is that the
here you go?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
unlimited resources.
That's what you do, why.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I just think it's such a glitzy feminine camp
world.
If you watch any of the collegegymnastics like I went into it
as a skeptic because I'm likeit's not real gymnastics, it's
not as difficult and everyone'scheering oh, it's so
anti-British.
But then you watch it.
You'll watch a meet and itmeans nothing this meet, because
these two teams are just tryingto beat each other, but they're
(19:25):
mid table and you watch it andyou're like I love everything
about this.
Yeah, it's just so girly, butit's real sport.
Like they're doing difficultstuff, but it's so girly and I
just feel like I'd love to showthat to the world that sport can
be so unbelievably girly.
Because I think there is stilla stigma, even like within
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women's sports as well, that tobe a fan of sport you kind of
got to be well, there's stillthat whole like if you're a
footy fan, you know you're a lador whatever, and it's kind of
like sport can be girly as wellit's frustrating, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
because you think, look at the summer that we've
just had yeah right, you knowthis amazing, like the success,
but this isn't just for thisyear, women's sport has been
rising at a phenomenal rate.
Yeah, yeah, let's you know.
Just look at the, the pay, the,the sponsorship it's.
Is it going to change?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I don't know, but there is a story I am in the
midst of pitching and I don'twant to say what it is, just in
case it does go ahead, and Idon't want anyone else to rob my
story, but there is an elementof pay around it, I think this.
I mean, if we're talkingunlimited funds to so many
women's sports stories, I'd loveto do a whole series of women's
sports stories, like somethinglike that and just like
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educating people.
I think that's part of what Ilove being at BBC, for we
educate as well as it's.
It's not new, is it?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
This is not new.
We had at the awards a fewyears ago a couple of years ago
was it last year the Corinthians, you know the first.
They were banned from playingfootball back in the 70s.
And these women, we got them onstage.
There was problem, there wassome technical problem that
happened.
They got up, they startedsinging.
They were obviously briefed byyour choir.
They were obviously briefed byyour quiet, but they were just
(21:14):
going up and started singing.
We talked a lot aboutstorytelling today.
What would you say so,irrespective of our watchers,
our listeners today, what do yousay is the art of telling a
good story?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
There are three good things For me when I'm putting
together an edit and I'm satthere I don't know if this is
the best advice to give orwhatever, but I'm like when I
start getting bored I cut,because if I'm bored and I'm
actually invested alreadybecause this is my feature, then
people other people are gonnabe bored and people do say more
(21:49):
than they need to say.
People talk too much, a lot, Italk too much so.
So I kind of like go, okay,that can come out, that come out
and I can actually put ittogether there.
Don't be scared about mixingtogether people's sentences if
it's not affecting editoriallywhat they were saying.
Again sounds really bad when Isay it like that, but I know
(22:10):
what I mean.
Like you might have answeredthe same question twice and they
haven't done it each time howthey wanted to say it.
So you can take the first ofthat answer on the end of that
answer, put it together and it'sactually what they were trying
to say so sometimes, whetherit's in the world of business,
whether you're in you'restudying, sometimes you feel
like more is more, when actuallyit's less it's more.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Be more succinct, right yeah, americans are great.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I can't do it, by the way, americans can.
Literally, it's the soundbite.
Americans can give you thesoundbite, but we're not as good
at it over here so thinkingsoundbites then yeah, in some
ways preparing whether you gointo a board meeting or an
interview soundbitey, because wehave got that kind of you know
that stephen bartlett worldcoming up, haven't we?
Where it's like everything's asoundbite and I'm like, yeah,
(22:55):
but what are you actually saying?
What does it mean?
Yeah, come on, give me a littlebit of soul with your soundbite
, and do you have?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
a quote, a song, a mantra that you live by?
Is there something that kind ofdrives your?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I mean, it is like what I said at the very
beginning.
It's saying yes to everyopportunity.
Sometimes I didn't ever think Iwanted to work in radio.
I always wanted to work in TV,but I spent years in radio.
They were the first jobs thatwere offered to me, and I
(23:32):
actually learned so much aboutstorytelling and producing on
radio that I never would havethought I would have learned
because I was a bitclosed-minded, shall I say and
so by saying yes to opportunity,that that's what started my
career really that is 100% my.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I always say say yes and work it out later.
Yeah, because you never knowwhat that opportunity will bring
now, okay, we're going to gointo the power jar.
What could go wrong?
Okay?
So this power jar is a jar fullof questions that our previous
guests are putting, and we willask you, um, after the show to
put in your question for ournext guest.
So are you ready to delve intothe power jar?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
yeah, okay, I'm ready .
Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's like christmas okay, so kate has delved.
I've knocked a bit of mymicrophone off, but it's okay,
nothing to see here.
I was trying to be allsurreptitious, which will mean
nothing if you're listening, andyou were saying that you might
have done this with wine as well.
That would have been even oh,it'd be a nightmare, kate.
(24:31):
What have we got at the jar?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I already already know what I'm going to say for
this.
If you could instantly masterany skill in the world, what
would you pick To speak?
Languages, other languages, oh,I wish, I wish I was fluent in
Spanish.
I wish I was fluent in French,every language in the world.
I just think it'd be amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, you know what?
We tested this out in theoffice the other day and I was
asked that question and I said Iwant to speak fluent Catalan.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh, I mean, you went more niche there I did go niche.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I did go niche because you know I just did.
But yeah, that was my thing, Ihad that superpower.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I loved Spanish in school but I didn't really get
on my Spanish teacher.
So, you know, awkward.
But I found learning a languagehere.
I can't get into it, you've gotto be in there.
I spend time in spain and I'mlike, oh, I can speak spanish,
not badly, and then I come backand I forget it all.
So, yeah, I'd love to be ableto speak there.
We go.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Who knows?
You see, you never know whatwill happen.
Kate, thank you so much forjoining us, thank you for
delving into the power jar andwe will thank you for your
question in advance for our nextguest.
Um, you know, make it fun, makeit quirky, we don't care, but
it's fascinating.
It's fascinating.
We always talk on the podcastthat there is no one straight
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path, there is no one straightworld.
No one has it easy.
Just because you've got thisfantastic job in the bbc, doing
amazing things and having pinchme moments, it's, it's, it's.
It's never just that miraculousmoment, is it?
No?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
and I think that's one of the difficult things is I
can compare myself to mycompatriots a lot.
Maybe some of them have gotmore opportunities than I have
or have done things I wish I'ddone, and I'll get bogged down
and then I'll speak to peoplethat have nothing to do with my
industry and they're like oh mygod, you went to the Olympics.
(26:21):
Oh, this summer, wow, you wereat Wimbledon.
I'm like, oh yeah, what, what?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
you've got to remember every moment.
Remember every moment and shareevery story.
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It's so lovely to see you afterall this time.
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I am delighted to be joined byKate today.
Kate, welcome to the podcast.
Now you are future-less from2016.
You are OG.
Yes, you are the OG.
Now tell us what do you do.
(01:04):
What's your name?
Where do you come from?
You can do that because we'rein Liverpool and I feel like I'm
Scylla.
My name's.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Kate, I'm originally from the Wirral but now in
Manchester because I work forBBC Sport.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And what do you do?
Because I bet it's not the sameevery day.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, my job title is an assistant assistant producer
, but it really depends on whatshow or event I'm working on,
because it there's like so manydifferent types of producing,
especially like with in sportsand with the BBC.
So, like some days, like whenit's live sport, I'll just go
(01:41):
through my year.
Actually, this year, like so,the European um athletics
championships we were in Salford, most of us and I was in the TV
gallery doing a VT coordinatorrole.
So I'm like behind the directorand um editor making sure that
all the VTs videotapes are thereand when they're coming in.
(02:04):
But because it's live sport, itkind of like it's those shouty
jobs, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
It's like oh, where's that, where's that, where's
that?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, come in, come in, come in, come in.
It's all that.
But I love chaos, so I'm likedown for that.
And then during this summer Iwas on Queens and Wimbledon and
that was a lot more, making surethat every single interview was
happening and that we weregetting all the right filming
bits.
It's a bit more logistical, butalso writing questions when I
(02:34):
need to for some reporters ifthey hadn't managed to catch
everything or they needed toknow more stuff.
It's really a mixed bag.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You've had quite the whirlwind, I think, of the
career, haven't you so far atthe BBC.
What has been your?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
oh, my goodness, pinch me moment, oh that's
difficult, because Every day,well, my big goal was always to
work on Olympics at sight, andthat happened last summer.
And I had a mini moment of itthen when I was like, oh my god,
I'm at the olympic gymnastics,which is my dream.
(03:10):
But it actually happened abouta year or so before that.
Um, it might have been when Ifirst got to Wimbledon actually
to work on Wimbledon, which wasthe in 2023, because I'd spent
so many years begging everydepartment to get there and then
I was like, oh my gosh, I'mactually here.
(03:32):
And then that summer I thenwent to Cape Town with the
Netball World Cup and toBudapest for the World Athletics
and at the end of that summerthat was my oh wow.
I can't believe I've just donethat summer.
And do you have a favouritesport?
Yeah, gymnastics.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Always.
Was that your pathway, was thatyour?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yes and no.
It was my sport when I was achild.
I did it into my teens.
I was training at county level.
I then became a coach in mylate teens.
So if my qualifications stillexist, I think I'm qualified to
run my own gymnastics club stillto this day and I did that at
18 like that qualificationprobably shouldn't have, because
(04:14):
now thinking that's like areally young age to be able to
do that, um, but then I didn'treally go near gymnastics.
Until my late 20s I started toget to adult gymnastics classes,
um, but it was never really.
British gymnastics were great.
They used to give meopportunities to work on the
(04:34):
British Championships, becausethey're always here in Liverpool
and they have been since 2013.
So that was like my early jobs,but it's so difficult when I,
like I'm trying to think of thebest way to say it.
Gymnastics isn't a sport thateveryone thinks about as a sport
, so it's a small team at workon it for BBC, because we've got
(04:54):
the rights and it only happenstwice a year.
So you kind of can't put allyour hopes on that one sport.
If anything, I'm going to sayfootball's the bread and butter.
Yeah, you've got to know yourfootball, you've got to love
football, and I did work infootball, for I've worked in
football since 2010, when Ibecame a tour guide at Liverpool
(05:16):
Football Club.
Oh, wow.
So I was there for six years asa tour guide and I'd say that
was more my entry, because itwas having that job that got me
noticed by like women infootball, and then they got me
into getting football jobs andBBC jobs.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So it's the power of that community.
Yeah, yeah.
Because I think, if you lookback at you know you talk about
the pinch me moment of one ofthem being the Olympics.
But if you think of youryounger self, uh, we're all
running, you know, you know, andwe're all running those
gymnastic sessions when you wereyounger, with us coaching, to
then being in the olympics.
But it's, it's not easy, isn'tit?
(05:58):
You talked right at the startabout, you know, begging and you
know sort of it takes anelement of resilience, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
oh yeah, and I I think I'm now in my I don't know
, I'm 36.
I'm like, is that mid or late30s?
I want to keep saying mid andI'm like, is that?
Speaker 1 (06:12):
for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, you're young anyway, so it's all good but I
feel like there's a part of methat's like exhausted now and I
do think part of that is havingso much resilience in my 20s
that I'm now like oh I'm, Ican't be bothered anymore with
like having the resilience still.
So it can catch up to you inthat way.
And it is a difficult industry.
(06:36):
I had no contacts.
I didn't, I don't know anyonein TV, in sports industry.
I did have to make all thecontacts myself and I had to
yeah, as you said, beg.
I had to like ask for everyopportunity, even like one job
that I remember, um ShellyAlexander, who was nominated
(06:57):
she's one, one of the women whowas on the women's football
board and she helped me out somuch and one of the jobs.
She was like, okay, so this ismore of an admin job, it's just
for, like I think, six weeks orsomething like that, I can't
remember.
Um, we just need someone to dothis like spreadsheet thing for
like the business side of sport.
And I was like, yeah, I'll doit.
(07:17):
And it was just literally goingthrough all the hours of sport
and divvying up where it hadbeen and what sport it was, and
just making a spreadsheet sothat they could use that.
And it was all to make this onestat that then the director of
sport talked to houses ofparliament and I'm like, oh, I
can see where it's gone.
(07:38):
So that's pretty cool.
But also, spending those weeksmeant I got to meet people and I
got people to remember me.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And that's been a key then, hasn't it?
You've mentioned Women inFootball, who are a phenomenal
organisation, and there's peoplethat we know You've mentioned
Shelley we talked about RuthShaw before but the power of
that community and multiplecommunities, you can never
underestimate the power of thatnetwork can you no?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
and multiple communities.
You can never underestimate thepower of that network, can you
no?
Um, I like I remember like wego right to the back to the
beginning of my career women infootball was my first job
officially, but actually, no, no, it wasn't, but it was.
I got the interview for womenin football and it was a phone
interview and it was joannetongue who, um, who was doing
(08:27):
the phone interview?
And in the middle of it shewent wait, you're a talker at
liverpool.
And I went, yeah, and she wentokay, do you want?
She was executive producer of606 at the time.
She went do you want to comeand work on my show?
Then, and it's just like thephone answer a job.
And I was like, yeah.
So that was my first actual joband that was end of 2012.
I was still at uni, um, on myfinal year of uni and that.
(08:50):
But I wouldn't have got thathad I not been given the
opportunity to apply for thiswomen in football internship and
I think there's a key.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Sometimes we talk a lot about advocacy and allyship
and mentorship and sponsorshipand all those kind of words, but
fundamentally I think the thingthat's dawned on me recently
it's great to be curious andlisten and be a good ally and be
understanding, but one of thebiggest things that you can give
as an advocate or ally is anopportunity, a job yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Hoping an opportunity .
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Right yeah, and it doesn't matter whether it's a
spreadsheet or it doesn't matter, but the fact that someone
thinks that you can and opensthat door, it's forever
priceless, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
It's even, I think, just staying in contact with
people.
So at Wimbledon this summerthere is at Wimbledon themselves
.
They have their ownbroadcasting network that we
work with with BBC, and theyhire a group of younger people,
essentially like a runner runnerjob.
But every time you go outfilming on the premises you have
to take one of these broadcastliaisons and I always just get
(09:50):
chatting to them, find out whatit is they want to do, and I've
ended up connecting with a fewof them on Instagram, because
some young girls want to beproducers or camera assistants
and I'm thinking where is it?
I could maybe help them out,whereas I can see a job and send
it to them.
Or if there's any likeopportunities within work where
we just need someone for like amonth or something, I could say,
(10:12):
oh well, there's this personwho worked on Wimbledon and I'm
probably thinking now, as you'vejust said, you need that
opportunity.
That's because that's what Ihad beginning of my career and
I'd like to be able to helpyounger girls get that too,
because it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
It is, and what advice would you give to your
younger Kate?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Maybe don't take everything, so personally I mean
, but I still do that.
So that's why I'm laughing,because I'm like I think I'd
give all the advice, you're nottaking your own medicine, right?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I still don't take.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But, um, I yeah, I get very emotionally connected
to too many things and then Ioverthink everything I've said
and I'll overthink out thiswhole entire conversation, most
likely as well, and I I think Iwish I'd thought about it a lot
younger.
Whereas someone said to me onceyou're not the main character
(11:06):
in everyone's story, and I'mlike, oh yeah, and it that helps
a little bit, like no one caresas much as I do about what I've
said in a sense, unless it'slike been hurtful, but like I
mean just me talking.
And maybe I'm like, oh, I talktoo much, I talk too much, and
it's like, no, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's great advice, and that's great advice that's
not just for at the start ofyour career, that's all the way
through.
I'm taking that right nowbecause sometimes you do, you
take it all in, don't you?
And you're like, oh goodness,what's people gonna think, and
whatever.
And you're like, yeah, theydon't care literally.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But it's like it is still very difficult to remember
it when you're really really inthe, in that zone, and you're
like, oh my god, everyone hatesme, everyone hates me and I had
that quite a bit coming throughand I think part of it maybe
being a girl in the very maleworld, yeah, another part of it
(12:01):
a loud, loud girl, bit scouse,you know all of these things
together.
I did stand out and then you'dhave people being like you just
need to play the game, maybe notstand out as much, and I'd be
like no, I'm gonna be a peacock,like I have this conflicting
thing of I really want to fit in, but I also want to be an my
(12:23):
own person how do you managethat?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
how do you manage the ?
Fit into the peacock not verywell do you do days of each or
hours of each, or do you have tostand back, or do you?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think, as I've got older, I've noticed a bit more
when I'm peacocking too muchthat's not a verb, kate to
peacock, but so maybe I mightstand back a little bit if I'm
like, oh no, you are being a bittoo much.
But I'm also like part of it isand I hate being one of these
people does this.
I found out I have ADHD thisyear and I'm like, oh yeah,
(12:53):
makes sense.
I'm like, so, actually that'salways been who I am and I can't
really change that.
So maybe I'll just embrace itand just be more peacock and how
.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
So now you've, you've , you have that diagnosis, yeah,
how does that fit into yourworld?
Because you're dealing withglobal pressure.
You know, global sportingpressure, global sporting events
.
With that immense pressure,right, how do you prep?
Is it about the preparation?
Is it about how do you getyourself?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
how do you deal with that?
The funny thing is and I wastalking to some of the most
senior women recently about thiswhen everything's go, go, go,
that's when.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I'm best In the shouty world.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
It's not just in the shouty world At events, when you
can't really sit down becauseyou've got to go and do
something else and somethingelse and loads of little faffy
jobs.
That's when I thrive, it's thesitting down, it's taking time
off, when I'm not going away oranything, I'm just at home,
because I've worked, maybe withthe tennis as a month straight.
So it's like, okay, now you'vegot like two weeks off to
(13:57):
balance out your hours and I waslike I can't afford to go away,
so I'm literally just sittingat home doing nothing.
And that's when I hate it, whenit's quiet and I've got nothing
to do and it.
Then I try and fill that time,but I'm actually physically
exhausted.
So that's a balance I'm stilltrying to figure out.
What do you love?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
when you're not trying to fill time for the sake
of it.
What do you like?
What do you like doing whenyou're not?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
oh, I like, I do like being active.
I used to love going to adultgymnastics but I had a major
knee injury.
I did my ACL a few years backand I've now re-injured the knee
and I have to have anothersurgery on this knee.
So I'm now not allowed to runor jump until surgery, which god
(14:45):
knows when that will be.
So I'm doing a lot of walkingat the minute.
I love yoga and Pilates isgreat, but it's just trying to
balance the, the knee and what Iwant to do and I love singing.
So I'm in a choir.
Oh, absolutely love it, and thatis something that whenever I am
(15:06):
feeling a little bit low, I'llalways go back to.
Just like I'll go in thekitchen and I'll put on a
karaoke playlist on YouTube andI'll just sing a bunch of
different songs.
What's on that playlist, kate?
Oh, do you know what?
I actually just wanted to havea sing today.
So I did have a.
I did a few today and what wasit?
I like there's an artist calledLeve.
I absolutely love singing hersongs, but some older ones, like
(15:30):
the Cranberries, linger andDreams.
I love singing the Cranberries.
Eva Cassidy did Autumn Leavesbecause it's autumn.
I love anything like that Alittle bit of Doris Day.
Ella Fitzgerald, I go all overthe place.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Does that take you into your sort of like happy
place or safe space?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, especially if you've got like a belty song and
you can just like kind of likeit's like a scream, isn't it
letting it all out?
But I also, I think part ofthat is like a Merseyside thing
like music.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, it's in the blood, right when.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I went to Manchester I found that really difficult,
that not every bar and everyplace you go to eat has got live
music on.
I'm like, wait what?
Speaker 1 (16:12):
no, there's an option no, yeah, we are power.
We are power.
Oaky, that's that's now.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
That's got to be something we've got to look at
but even like open mic nightsback at home on the whirl, it
was always accessible foreveryone and it's not like that
around the rest of the country.
I've been to open mic nights.
I'm like wait, you don't havejust a resident guitarist okay,
you've got to take your own.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That's what you've got to do now.
You have a fun fact that you dohandstands everywhere.
Uh, even with broken bones.
What is the most random oriconic place that you've pulled
one of those off?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
oh, it has to be under the olympic rings this
last summer yeah, I did do thatin paris I was like there's your
pinch me moment.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Right there, isn't it ?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
took me back and stocks off and my friend was
like, no, you're not doing ahandstand.
Yesterday, I'm doing ahandstand.
Um, that was, yeah, this hasgot to be my favorite one.
But the most broken was, uh,just, I fractured my elbow and I
had I was doing some kind ofyoga challenge I can't remember
why, but it was a handstand dayand I was like, yeah, I'm going
to do a handstand and myhousemates went how and I just
(17:15):
got into a plank against thewall and then jumped my hand
back as I climbed my feet up andI got into a handstand.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh, so you're the person that makes me look so bad
when I'm in that yoga studio.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
You'll be all over it , won't you?
And I'll be like I'm like theone going.
Ah, I'm so broken now, though,so there's not many things I can
do anymore.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But that is because you have.
You've got that performing artsside as well, hasn't it?
That still sits with you.
Clearly.
You know that is part of whoyou are.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, I absolutely.
I guess the two work hand inhand.
When you're doing a gymnasticsfloor, you are always performing
a floor, for sure, and equallyyour role.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You're creating stories, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Yeah, telling stories , that's exactly what you're
doing every day, All the timeand I might have a different way
of telling stories, like I amso much more driven by a
personal story, anything that'skind of got a bit of a not
romance but a romance within itand like, yeah, I'm the girl
that'll watch rom-coms that oneafter each other and oh yeah,
(18:18):
I'm not yeah, I like to try andbring that side of me into sport
as well.
favorite film oh well, I do know, but no one really.
Mascazar, oh, I love my itzarro.
It's got everything.
It's got action, it's gotromance, it's got very good
actors.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Explosions, and is there a story that you would
love to tell or you would loveto produce that if you had
unlimited resources and accessto dollars?
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Oh yeah, I keep pitching.
Can I do something on collegegymnastics?
Okay, I wanted.
I would love to make adocumentary on college
gymnastics, but it's in Americaand spending but is that the
here you go?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
unlimited resources.
That's what you do, why.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I just think it's such a glitzy feminine camp
world.
If you watch any of the collegegymnastics like I went into it
as a skeptic because I'm likeit's not real gymnastics, it's
not as difficult and everyone'scheering oh, it's so
anti-British.
But then you watch it.
You'll watch a meet and itmeans nothing this meet, because
these two teams are just tryingto beat each other, but they're
(19:25):
mid table and you watch it andyou're like I love everything
about this.
Yeah, it's just so girly, butit's real sport.
Like they're doing difficultstuff, but it's so girly and I
just feel like I'd love to showthat to the world that sport can
be so unbelievably girly.
Because I think there is stilla stigma, even like within
(19:47):
women's sports as well, that tobe a fan of sport you kind of
got to be well, there's stillthat whole like if you're a
footy fan, you know you're a lador whatever, and it's kind of
like sport can be girly as wellit's frustrating, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
because you think, look at the summer that we've
just had yeah right, you knowthis amazing, like the success,
but this isn't just for thisyear, women's sport has been
rising at a phenomenal rate.
Yeah, yeah, let's you know.
Just look at the, the pay, the,the sponsorship it's.
Is it going to change?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I don't know, but there is a story I am in the
midst of pitching and I don'twant to say what it is, just in
case it does go ahead, and Idon't want anyone else to rob my
story, but there is an elementof pay around it, I think this.
I mean, if we're talkingunlimited funds to so many
women's sports stories, I'd loveto do a whole series of women's
sports stories, like somethinglike that and just like
(20:47):
educating people.
I think that's part of what Ilove being at BBC, for we
educate as well as it's.
It's not new, is it?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
This is not new.
We had at the awards a fewyears ago a couple of years ago
was it last year the Corinthians, you know the first.
They were banned from playingfootball back in the 70s.
And these women, we got them onstage.
There was problem, there wassome technical problem that
happened.
They got up, they startedsinging.
They were obviously briefed byyour choir.
They were obviously briefed byyour quiet, but they were just
(21:14):
going up and started singing.
We talked a lot aboutstorytelling today.
What would you say so,irrespective of our watchers,
our listeners today, what do yousay is the art of telling a
good story?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
There are three good things For me when I'm putting
together an edit and I'm satthere I don't know if this is
the best advice to give orwhatever, but I'm like when I
start getting bored I cut,because if I'm bored and I'm
actually invested alreadybecause this is my feature, then
people other people are gonnabe bored and people do say more
(21:49):
than they need to say.
People talk too much, a lot, Italk too much so.
So I kind of like go, okay,that can come out, that come out
and I can actually put ittogether there.
Don't be scared about mixingtogether people's sentences if
it's not affecting editoriallywhat they were saying.
Again sounds really bad when Isay it like that, but I know
(22:10):
what I mean.
Like you might have answeredthe same question twice and they
haven't done it each time howthey wanted to say it.
So you can take the first ofthat answer on the end of that
answer, put it together and it'sactually what they were trying
to say so sometimes, whetherit's in the world of business,
whether you're in you'restudying, sometimes you feel
like more is more, when actuallyit's less it's more.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Be more succinct, right yeah, americans are great.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
I can't do it, by the way, americans can.
Literally, it's the soundbite.
Americans can give you thesoundbite, but we're not as good
at it over here so thinkingsoundbites then yeah, in some
ways preparing whether you gointo a board meeting or an
interview soundbitey, because wehave got that kind of you know
that stephen bartlett worldcoming up, haven't we?
Where it's like everything's asoundbite and I'm like, yeah,
(22:55):
but what are you actually saying?
What does it mean?
Yeah, come on, give me a littlebit of soul with your soundbite
, and do you have?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
a quote, a song, a mantra that you live by?
Is there something that kind ofdrives your?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I mean, it is like what I said at the very
beginning.
It's saying yes to everyopportunity.
Sometimes I didn't ever think Iwanted to work in radio.
I always wanted to work in TV,but I spent years in radio.
They were the first jobs thatwere offered to me, and I
(23:32):
actually learned so much aboutstorytelling and producing on
radio that I never would havethought I would have learned
because I was a bitclosed-minded, shall I say and
so by saying yes to opportunity,that that's what started my
career really that is 100% my.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I always say say yes and work it out later.
Yeah, because you never knowwhat that opportunity will bring
now, okay, we're going to gointo the power jar.
What could go wrong?
Okay?
So this power jar is a jar fullof questions that our previous
guests are putting, and we willask you, um, after the show to
put in your question for ournext guest.
So are you ready to delve intothe power jar?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
yeah, okay, I'm ready .
Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's like christmas okay, so kate has delved.
I've knocked a bit of mymicrophone off, but it's okay,
nothing to see here.
I was trying to be allsurreptitious, which will mean
nothing if you're listening, andyou were saying that you might
have done this with wine as well.
That would have been even oh,it'd be a nightmare, kate.
(24:31):
What have we got at the jar?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I already already know what I'm going to say for
this.
If you could instantly masterany skill in the world, what
would you pick To speak?
Languages, other languages, oh,I wish, I wish I was fluent in
Spanish.
I wish I was fluent in French,every language in the world.
I just think it'd be amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Well, you know what?
We tested this out in theoffice the other day and I was
asked that question and I said Iwant to speak fluent Catalan.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh, I mean, you went more niche there I did go niche.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I did go niche because you know I just did.
But yeah, that was my thing, Ihad that superpower.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I loved Spanish in school but I didn't really get
on my Spanish teacher.
So, you know, awkward.
But I found learning a languagehere.
I can't get into it, you've gotto be in there.
I spend time in spain and I'mlike, oh, I can speak spanish,
not badly, and then I come backand I forget it all.
So, yeah, I'd love to be ableto speak there.
We go.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Who knows?
You see, you never know whatwill happen.
Kate, thank you so much forjoining us, thank you for
delving into the power jar andwe will thank you for your
question in advance for our nextguest.
Um, you know, make it fun, makeit quirky, we don't care, but
it's fascinating.
It's fascinating.
We always talk on the podcastthat there is no one straight
(25:44):
path, there is no one straightworld.
No one has it easy.
Just because you've got thisfantastic job in the bbc, doing
amazing things and having pinchme moments, it's, it's, it's.
It's never just that miraculousmoment, is it?
No?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
and I think that's one of the difficult things is I
can compare myself to mycompatriots a lot.
Maybe some of them have gotmore opportunities than I have
or have done things I wish I'ddone, and I'll get bogged down
and then I'll speak to peoplethat have nothing to do with my
industry and they're like oh mygod, you went to the Olympics.
(26:21):
Oh, this summer, wow, you wereat Wimbledon.
I'm like, oh yeah, what, what?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
you've got to remember every moment.
Remember every moment and shareevery story.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
It's so lovely to see you afterall this time.
Oh, thank you.
And thank you so much forjoining us.
It's so lovely to see you afterall this time, I know, oh,
thank you.
And thank you so much forjoining us.
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