October 21, 2025 • 17 mins
“You should not be basing your resume on what you're doing now. Focus on the skills you have that showcase how you’d be successful in the role you want.”
Episode Highlights
00:02:02 – Overcoming the fear of changing industries
00:04:07 – Identifying transferable skills for your next role
00:05:23 – Writing resumes focused on your future goals
00:08:12 – How technology has changed job applications
00:09:26 – Networking the right way in a digital world
00:11:44 – Acting on advice to build genuine connections
00:13:00 – Patience and persistence in career pivots
00:14:36 – Shifting your mindset to show contribution, not desperation
Thinking about changing careers but not sure where to start? In this episode, Tim Dyck breaks down the most common mistakes people make when shifting industries and what to do instead. Learn how to identify your transferable skills, reframe your resume for the job you want, and approach networking in a way that builds real connections instead of dead ends
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Foreign.
Welcome to the World at Work podcast, where business leaders and job seekers
come together to create winning cultures and fulfilling careers. I'm your host,
Katie Currins, and I am here with Tim Dick, founder of Best
Culture Solutions. Tim, good to see you again.
(00:21):
I know. I feel like it's been a while, hasn't it? It has, and it's
always nice just taking a few minutes to catch up before we
jump in. And, you know, it's. It's interesting how
life goes by and we could timestamp everything like we usually do. But
I'm gonna go with this and say that as we were talking, I
kind of think we were both sharing perspectives on just personal
(00:43):
life, sports, all those things. And in those conversations,
sometimes do you ever have that moment, you're like, oh, I never thought of it
that way. Glad that Tim shared that, or glad that Katie shared that. And,
you know, we just think of each other as the business leader or
the podcast host, but there's all these other little hidden
nuggets of knowledge we have. It's true. And. And that is
(01:05):
true. And people can surprise you. Right, right. And
so the reason I mentioned that is because I know somebody
that has been navigating a career change, and she
is actually looking at changing her
industry altogether. And that's something I'm quite familiar,
having navigated. You work with a lot of people that go through that,
(01:28):
and I realized that as much as we might talk about
these things and emphasize that you have
expertise regardless of your industry, I
feel like it's something that we need to just call back up and really look
at those things, that maybe if you're changing career, there's just
simple things you overlook or the common mistakes that you see people
(01:51):
making, the patterns that people have. You know, especially
to me, I feel like that undervaluing your expertise is
a big one right out the gate. Would you say that's something you're seeing?
Yeah. And I mean. And you mean specifically in the realm of like, hey, I
want to make, like, a shift in my career, Change tracks, change, you know,
or change subject matter, change industries, stuff like that, right?
(02:13):
Yes. Yes. And then I know from my own thought, being
in education, and then a lot of people would say, oh, my gosh,
educators make the best salespeople or they make the best corporate
trainers because they're able to package that
training or tutorial or information in a digestible way. That's
right. And a lot of people are making, like, a lot of. So a few
(02:35):
things happen. So first of all, I see Two things happen when
people want to pivot their careers in some way. The first thing that I see
happen is that people don't think they can, right? Because they think, oh, I'm in
education, so how am I going to go in sales? Like to use that example,
which isn't true. But the second thing that I see happen is that, you
know, like, when people do get that courage and they do think that they can
(02:57):
do it, you know, they forget. How do I put it? They're not super
focused on how to make the change or how they're messaging themselves through that process
or how they're trying to make that change. They don't. You know, a lot of
times they haven't had to look for a job for a long time or things
like that. And they make a mistake, right,
with what they need to do to do that and how to pivot their career
(03:17):
and how to communicate effectively. Right. In trying to do so. And
so, yeah, like I see first of all, like the first mistake I
see is people thinking that they can't. But then when they do make the decision
that they can, they make lots of mistakes in the application process and the interview
process and just the job searching process in general in how
they go about it and it doesn't lead to success. So, yeah, I do see
(03:38):
that. So then what are the. What would you say is something
that helps people start to reframe that to
understand not only what skills they have, but maybe to get
them thinking about what skills are needed in the position they're
looking at? You know, I think just saying, oh, I just want to go anywhere.
No, you probably actually don't want to just do anything.
(04:01):
So what, you know, how can you help them start to
think about what they do bring to the table? Yeah, good question.
So here's the thing. So if you look at a
job, right, that you're aiming for, or maybe like a career change or
a shift, right, that you want to make, then the first thing that you need
to do is you need to think about like,
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okay, so like, let's say you want to go from education to sales, right? This
is the example we're using today. So we're going to go with it. Let's say
that that's what you want to do, then you should think to yourself, well, what
do I currently do now that applies to that?
What skills do I have now that are transferable? Right? And
so, you know, you mentioned it. It's a lot of it is in that case,
it's like, okay, well, you have the ability to present, you have the ability to
(04:46):
convince, like with your arguments. You have the ability to connect with people because
you have to, if you're an educator, you know, and you have to think about
the skills that you've used that are transferable to the, to the target
career that you're going for. And here's where I'm going with this is that. And
here's why. A lot of times people, if they're going, if they're going to try
to make a change, they are going to, they are going to
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write a resume that is focused on what they've done previously. I
get it. And that's good. I understand. However, you're not
anymore focusing on that. Like you're not, you aren't
focusing anymore on what you've done before. You are trying to focus
on what you want to do in the future. And there are things that you
have done before that will apply to what you want to do in the
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future. But you need to make sure your resume is focused on
that. So here's what I recommend that people do. And you're probably wondering, where am
I going with this? What you want to do is you want
to take a look at your target. Find a job posting
in that target and take a look at it. What are the responsibilities and
what are the skills that they're looking for? Right? What are the responsibilities and
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what are the skills that they are looking for? And then think to yourself, well,
what have I done in my past career that would use these skills or would
be transferable to the responsibilities of the job? And then make sure
that your resume is highlighting things
that align with those skills and those needs and those responsibilities.
And you want to highlight the things that you've done before on
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your resume, right. That equate to
what you want to do in the future. So to summarize, pull a job
posting that looks like something that you want to do, that you want to pivot
towards. Find out what's needed, right? What is needed to do
that job, what skills are needed, what responsibilities are you going to have
there to do that job? And then
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highlight the things that you have done in the past that are the same as
that. Does that make sense? Yes. I love that framing of
it because you're right. For a long time, I think it was pretty much
that one size fits all resume, right? You just write the glowing statement
about yourself and put all these things that you
can do for them. But it was pretty much put on the
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copier, make 20 copies and mail it out to every company
that you can think of or know. This is going way back. So if
it's been a while, I think, Tim, that is perfectly sound
advice. Look at what it is and remember that you are not
basing your resume on what you're doing now.
You're talking about what it is that you want to do
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and what skills you have that can showcase how
you're able to do it. And it might be a shift in the
terminology, but I'm sure there are many
things that you bring to the table. And if not, then
I would say either Think deeply. Is that the right
position for me? Maybe what's called a presenter
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in one company is actually considered a
manager role in another. The terms can change
as well. And I'm thinking also this is going even
to new hires. If you're a high schooler or college
student and you're trying to figure out what job do I want to do.
One of my favorite activities, this is such a nerdy mom activity
(08:03):
for her child. But we will pull up job
descriptions and we will look at them so that my
kids can say, oh, I thought I wanted to do that. But that career
path that's looking for qualifications that I'm not
interested in that type of courses or hey, I've always
loved robotics. How can I figure out
(08:24):
a pathway to get there? And I think that making sure
that you dial into those present current terms,
especially with technology based roles, understanding those
systems, taking a quick lesson on LinkedIn or
a YouTube, something about these platforms, so
you're in the know a little bit more. Because as much
(08:47):
as networking is still a thing, I
think that you don't want to depend on that too much. It's a
balance. So I love what you're saying about that
resume piece. Yeah. And the other thing too is that networking has
changed, but I think that like a lot of people network wrong. And so
like it used to be that like you could walk in somewhere and give them
(09:07):
your resume and then they'd say, oh, okay, maybe right. And just say like, I'm
here for a job and it doesn't work that way anymore. Like, and you do
have to apply online now. And that's what a lot of people are going to
refer you to, is to applying online. Right. But the thing is, is
that just because you're applying online doesn't
mean that you can't network anymore. Right. Like you're right. Like people do
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network differently and you can like it's gone are the days
where you just walk into an office with A resume. And you say, here it
is. Will you consider? And they say, oh, that showed initiative. Yes, I'll consider it.
They will always take you to apply online, but you can still network. But it
has to be different. It has to be, you know, like, look, if you're interested
in an industry, right, you cannot get in touch with them and say,
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here's my resume. Can you get me in? Or can you consider me? You can
get in touch with them and say, either meet them in person at an event
or you could or LinkedIn, right? And connect with them.
But the message is now no longer here's my resume. You know, I hope that
I can get a job with you. The message now, and I've said this before
in this show, and it's a broken record, but it's because it's true. The
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message now needs to be, I'm really interested in this. Don't send your
resume and ask for a job, but just say, I'm interested in your organization, I'm
interested in what you have to do. And can you give me any advice,
right? Can you give me advice to get in there? Like, just ask for advice.
Do you have any advice on how I can contribute? If you tell people how
you can contribute, it's not just, here's my resume, consider me anymore. Here is how
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I can contribute to you. I'm really interested in you because of X, Y and
Z. Do you have any advice for me? And take that advice and
act on it and then tell them when you have. And that is how you
network now. And not everybody's going to respond to that. Certainly not.
And nor can they. But, you know, a lot of times when you
ask for advice and you do that, it's going to convert into somebody saying,
(10:55):
give me your resume, let me see what I can do. And even if they
can't do anything in that moment, if the position ends up going to
somebody else, there's a big piece that you said that will keep
you on either the radar in the good and it's
taking action on the advice. People can
tell when you're just, you know, saying what you
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think they want to hear versus when you truly do act on that advice.
If you're asking something of somebody, you want to make sure that you're showing
respect of their time and knowledge and not just see it
as an A. They owe me something. They're going to give me
this and they're going to give me the job. It's, how can I respect their
time and take this advice and move Forward. And their advice might be,
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you know what? Get a couple more years under your belt. Well, take it or
leave it. But that's their advice, and you asked for it. And I
think it's something that you absolutely need to honor when
it's given. But you're right. To me, that is something that.
One, I've learned a ton from people
simply by asking questions. And, I mean, curiosity is one of my
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favorite things, so. So I completely agree. And I
think that you'll find that that will not only allow
you to feel networked, in the more technical use of the
term, but you will find that you really do have a
amazing network starting to build and root for you. So while
it may not turn to an immediate job opportunity, it
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will definitely open conversation, which couldn't turn
open doors. But a lot of it still depends. I would say 90,
99% of it still depends on your own action. That's right. And
that's the thing, too, right? Like, and it's just, to me, like, I think the
biggest things in this realm, if you want to pivot right, is. Is a few
things. Like, first of all, sometimes you do need to be patient, right? Like, we
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have a common contact that was in one industry and shifted to another.
And, you know, he just said, what advice, asked for advice, kept
going. It took about a year and a half, and he made it happen, and
it worked. And it was a pivot in industry and stuff like that. And
so that can be tough. But I think the biggest thing is that people believe.
They allow themselves to believe that they can't do it because it is tough, and
it's not true. It just might take a little bit of time. But the other
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thing about it is that, you know, it. It is a simple concept, but it
just takes time to execute, and you can pivot. And, like,
look, I've pivoted, you know, like, I. I do HR stuff now, and a lot
of that comes from knowledge of HR through how to effectively implement
it operationally as an operational tool, which is great. It's a great
benefit because you can bridge the gap a lot better. And that's awesome.
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But that took time, right? That took time to get that
credibility and people to know me that way. It took time, and that's okay. I
was willing to do that. But the biggest thing that I see is that
when people want to make a pivot and they start thinking about their experiences and
their skills, they just think about their experiences and their skills and what they've
done. And don't get me Wrong. You do need to think of that. But before
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you start thinking about what experiences and skills you want to talk about, you
first need to think about, well, what experiences and skills are they looking
for? And then networking now is different. Don't get me wrong. You can network
and you should not be shy about it, but there's a way to do it
now, and it's different. You're not going to walk into somebody's workplace and have them
say, yeah, here's your resume. Really cool, thanks for taking
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initiative. And, you know, and then I'll give you an interview because it seemed like
even though the job has nothing to do with what you really want to do,
and a lot of bad hiring decisions were made that way, they will tell you
to apply online, but you gotta network differently now. And it's about advice
and contributions at the end of the day. And if you can do that, the
people will take interest in you and you will like the common contact
we're talking about. You will find people that will start cheering for
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you. And if you don't get the first job you have, they'll have the recruiters
looking out for another one for you because they want you to win, because they
see the quality and, you know, it can be
done. It just. You just gotta get smart, right? You gotta share with people a
message that they need to hear, show them how you can help them, and that's
what you're doing. When you're thinking about the experiences that you had that are
relevant to what you're going for, you have to think about it as a customer
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service thing, right? It isn't just about what's in it for you.
It's about what do they need, right? Or what you need and seem to share
with them. Experiences that are relevant to what the customer needs. And
then when you network, it's gotta be about advice and contributions,
not about, here's my resume. Can I apply for a job? Yeah.
I know that we've talked about this in past episodes with
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the essentially AI resume
resources that companies use now and I, but I want to mention
it because what you're saying about the resume and making sure that
you tailor it to fit what you want to do, what
that job that you're applying for is asking,
because it does matter. It's not going to just go to the hand.
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Even if you put it in an email inbox, if you're lucky, they
might drop it into their platform. Chances are they'll tell
you to do it, but it will be run through something and you want to
make sure that you're using industry language, current
technology, things that will get you noticed
in, quite frankly, hundreds, if not thousands of applicants.
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So that does matter. And make sure to look at one of those
episodes that we've talked about it that could be a whole other conversation in
itself. Again, because the technology is changing, but
exactly to your point, you need to make sure you're using language about
the job that you want to be doing. Totally. A hundred
percent. Yeah. A hundred percent. Awesome. Well, if somebody is
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navigating this, I highly recommend that they reach out to you and
the team at Best Culture Solutions. And so the best way they could get ahold
of you is what? Oh, man, that's a hard question. No, I'm kidding.
They can get a hold of me. Bestculturesolutions, ca.
Timestculturesolutions. Ca. And yeah, we're always
happy to help people. 100%. We are. Excellent. Well, thank you so
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much, Tim. It has been a pleasure, as always. Good to see you. Talk to
you soon.
Foreign.
Welcome to the World at Work podcast, where business leaders and job seekers
come together to create winning cultures and fulfilling careers. I'm your host,
Katie Currins, and I am here with Tim Dick, founder of Best
Culture Solutions. Tim, good to see you again.
(00:21):
I know. I feel like it's been a while, hasn't it? It has, and it's
always nice just taking a few minutes to catch up before we
jump in. And, you know, it's. It's interesting how
life goes by and we could timestamp everything like we usually do. But
I'm gonna go with this and say that as we were talking, I
kind of think we were both sharing perspectives on just personal
(00:43):
life, sports, all those things. And in those conversations,
sometimes do you ever have that moment, you're like, oh, I never thought of it
that way. Glad that Tim shared that, or glad that Katie shared that. And,
you know, we just think of each other as the business leader or
the podcast host, but there's all these other little hidden
nuggets of knowledge we have. It's true. And. And that is
(01:05):
true. And people can surprise you. Right, right. And
so the reason I mentioned that is because I know somebody
that has been navigating a career change, and she
is actually looking at changing her
industry altogether. And that's something I'm quite familiar,
having navigated. You work with a lot of people that go through that,
(01:28):
and I realized that as much as we might talk about
these things and emphasize that you have
expertise regardless of your industry, I
feel like it's something that we need to just call back up and really look
at those things, that maybe if you're changing career, there's just
simple things you overlook or the common mistakes that you see people
(01:51):
making, the patterns that people have. You know, especially
to me, I feel like that undervaluing your expertise is
a big one right out the gate. Would you say that's something you're seeing?
Yeah. And I mean. And you mean specifically in the realm of like, hey, I
want to make, like, a shift in my career, Change tracks, change, you know,
or change subject matter, change industries, stuff like that, right?
(02:13):
Yes. Yes. And then I know from my own thought, being
in education, and then a lot of people would say, oh, my gosh,
educators make the best salespeople or they make the best corporate
trainers because they're able to package that
training or tutorial or information in a digestible way. That's
right. And a lot of people are making, like, a lot of. So a few
(02:35):
things happen. So first of all, I see Two things happen when
people want to pivot their careers in some way. The first thing that I see
happen is that people don't think they can, right? Because they think, oh, I'm in
education, so how am I going to go in sales? Like to use that example,
which isn't true. But the second thing that I see happen is that, you
know, like, when people do get that courage and they do think that they can
(02:57):
do it, you know, they forget. How do I put it? They're not super
focused on how to make the change or how they're messaging themselves through that process
or how they're trying to make that change. They don't. You know, a lot of
times they haven't had to look for a job for a long time or things
like that. And they make a mistake, right,
with what they need to do to do that and how to pivot their career
(03:17):
and how to communicate effectively. Right. In trying to do so. And
so, yeah, like I see first of all, like the first mistake I
see is people thinking that they can't. But then when they do make the decision
that they can, they make lots of mistakes in the application process and the interview
process and just the job searching process in general in how
they go about it and it doesn't lead to success. So, yeah, I do see
(03:38):
that. So then what are the. What would you say is something
that helps people start to reframe that to
understand not only what skills they have, but maybe to get
them thinking about what skills are needed in the position they're
looking at? You know, I think just saying, oh, I just want to go anywhere.
No, you probably actually don't want to just do anything.
(04:01):
So what, you know, how can you help them start to
think about what they do bring to the table? Yeah, good question.
So here's the thing. So if you look at a
job, right, that you're aiming for, or maybe like a career change or
a shift, right, that you want to make, then the first thing that you need
to do is you need to think about like,
(04:23):
okay, so like, let's say you want to go from education to sales, right? This
is the example we're using today. So we're going to go with it. Let's say
that that's what you want to do, then you should think to yourself, well, what
do I currently do now that applies to that?
What skills do I have now that are transferable? Right? And
so, you know, you mentioned it. It's a lot of it is in that case,
it's like, okay, well, you have the ability to present, you have the ability to
(04:46):
convince, like with your arguments. You have the ability to connect with people because
you have to, if you're an educator, you know, and you have to think about
the skills that you've used that are transferable to the, to the target
career that you're going for. And here's where I'm going with this is that. And
here's why. A lot of times people, if they're going, if they're going to try
to make a change, they are going to, they are going to
(05:07):
write a resume that is focused on what they've done previously. I
get it. And that's good. I understand. However, you're not
anymore focusing on that. Like you're not, you aren't
focusing anymore on what you've done before. You are trying to focus
on what you want to do in the future. And there are things that you
have done before that will apply to what you want to do in the
(05:28):
future. But you need to make sure your resume is focused on
that. So here's what I recommend that people do. And you're probably wondering, where am
I going with this? What you want to do is you want
to take a look at your target. Find a job posting
in that target and take a look at it. What are the responsibilities and
what are the skills that they're looking for? Right? What are the responsibilities and
(05:50):
what are the skills that they are looking for? And then think to yourself, well,
what have I done in my past career that would use these skills or would
be transferable to the responsibilities of the job? And then make sure
that your resume is highlighting things
that align with those skills and those needs and those responsibilities.
And you want to highlight the things that you've done before on
(06:13):
your resume, right. That equate to
what you want to do in the future. So to summarize, pull a job
posting that looks like something that you want to do, that you want to pivot
towards. Find out what's needed, right? What is needed to do
that job, what skills are needed, what responsibilities are you going to have
there to do that job? And then
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highlight the things that you have done in the past that are the same as
that. Does that make sense? Yes. I love that framing of
it because you're right. For a long time, I think it was pretty much
that one size fits all resume, right? You just write the glowing statement
about yourself and put all these things that you
can do for them. But it was pretty much put on the
(06:56):
copier, make 20 copies and mail it out to every company
that you can think of or know. This is going way back. So if
it's been a while, I think, Tim, that is perfectly sound
advice. Look at what it is and remember that you are not
basing your resume on what you're doing now.
You're talking about what it is that you want to do
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and what skills you have that can showcase how
you're able to do it. And it might be a shift in the
terminology, but I'm sure there are many
things that you bring to the table. And if not, then
I would say either Think deeply. Is that the right
position for me? Maybe what's called a presenter
(07:41):
in one company is actually considered a
manager role in another. The terms can change
as well. And I'm thinking also this is going even
to new hires. If you're a high schooler or college
student and you're trying to figure out what job do I want to do.
One of my favorite activities, this is such a nerdy mom activity
(08:03):
for her child. But we will pull up job
descriptions and we will look at them so that my
kids can say, oh, I thought I wanted to do that. But that career
path that's looking for qualifications that I'm not
interested in that type of courses or hey, I've always
loved robotics. How can I figure out
(08:24):
a pathway to get there? And I think that making sure
that you dial into those present current terms,
especially with technology based roles, understanding those
systems, taking a quick lesson on LinkedIn or
a YouTube, something about these platforms, so
you're in the know a little bit more. Because as much
(08:47):
as networking is still a thing, I
think that you don't want to depend on that too much. It's a
balance. So I love what you're saying about that
resume piece. Yeah. And the other thing too is that networking has
changed, but I think that like a lot of people network wrong. And so
like it used to be that like you could walk in somewhere and give them
(09:07):
your resume and then they'd say, oh, okay, maybe right. And just say like, I'm
here for a job and it doesn't work that way anymore. Like, and you do
have to apply online now. And that's what a lot of people are going to
refer you to, is to applying online. Right. But the thing is, is
that just because you're applying online doesn't
mean that you can't network anymore. Right. Like you're right. Like people do
(09:28):
network differently and you can like it's gone are the days
where you just walk into an office with A resume. And you say, here it
is. Will you consider? And they say, oh, that showed initiative. Yes, I'll consider it.
They will always take you to apply online, but you can still network. But it
has to be different. It has to be, you know, like, look, if you're interested
in an industry, right, you cannot get in touch with them and say,
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here's my resume. Can you get me in? Or can you consider me? You can
get in touch with them and say, either meet them in person at an event
or you could or LinkedIn, right? And connect with them.
But the message is now no longer here's my resume. You know, I hope that
I can get a job with you. The message now, and I've said this before
in this show, and it's a broken record, but it's because it's true. The
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message now needs to be, I'm really interested in this. Don't send your
resume and ask for a job, but just say, I'm interested in your organization, I'm
interested in what you have to do. And can you give me any advice,
right? Can you give me advice to get in there? Like, just ask for advice.
Do you have any advice on how I can contribute? If you tell people how
you can contribute, it's not just, here's my resume, consider me anymore. Here is how
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I can contribute to you. I'm really interested in you because of X, Y and
Z. Do you have any advice for me? And take that advice and
act on it and then tell them when you have. And that is how you
network now. And not everybody's going to respond to that. Certainly not.
And nor can they. But, you know, a lot of times when you
ask for advice and you do that, it's going to convert into somebody saying,
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give me your resume, let me see what I can do. And even if they
can't do anything in that moment, if the position ends up going to
somebody else, there's a big piece that you said that will keep
you on either the radar in the good and it's
taking action on the advice. People can
tell when you're just, you know, saying what you
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think they want to hear versus when you truly do act on that advice.
If you're asking something of somebody, you want to make sure that you're showing
respect of their time and knowledge and not just see it
as an A. They owe me something. They're going to give me
this and they're going to give me the job. It's, how can I respect their
time and take this advice and move Forward. And their advice might be,
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you know what? Get a couple more years under your belt. Well, take it or
leave it. But that's their advice, and you asked for it. And I
think it's something that you absolutely need to honor when
it's given. But you're right. To me, that is something that.
One, I've learned a ton from people
simply by asking questions. And, I mean, curiosity is one of my
(12:02):
favorite things, so. So I completely agree. And I
think that you'll find that that will not only allow
you to feel networked, in the more technical use of the
term, but you will find that you really do have a
amazing network starting to build and root for you. So while
it may not turn to an immediate job opportunity, it
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will definitely open conversation, which couldn't turn
open doors. But a lot of it still depends. I would say 90,
99% of it still depends on your own action. That's right. And
that's the thing, too, right? Like, and it's just, to me, like, I think the
biggest things in this realm, if you want to pivot right, is. Is a few
things. Like, first of all, sometimes you do need to be patient, right? Like, we
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have a common contact that was in one industry and shifted to another.
And, you know, he just said, what advice, asked for advice, kept
going. It took about a year and a half, and he made it happen, and
it worked. And it was a pivot in industry and stuff like that. And
so that can be tough. But I think the biggest thing is that people believe.
They allow themselves to believe that they can't do it because it is tough, and
it's not true. It just might take a little bit of time. But the other
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thing about it is that, you know, it. It is a simple concept, but it
just takes time to execute, and you can pivot. And, like,
look, I've pivoted, you know, like, I. I do HR stuff now, and a lot
of that comes from knowledge of HR through how to effectively implement
it operationally as an operational tool, which is great. It's a great
benefit because you can bridge the gap a lot better. And that's awesome.
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But that took time, right? That took time to get that
credibility and people to know me that way. It took time, and that's okay. I
was willing to do that. But the biggest thing that I see is that
when people want to make a pivot and they start thinking about their experiences and
their skills, they just think about their experiences and their skills and what they've
done. And don't get me Wrong. You do need to think of that. But before
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you start thinking about what experiences and skills you want to talk about, you
first need to think about, well, what experiences and skills are they looking
for? And then networking now is different. Don't get me wrong. You can network
and you should not be shy about it, but there's a way to do it
now, and it's different. You're not going to walk into somebody's workplace and have them
say, yeah, here's your resume. Really cool, thanks for taking
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initiative. And, you know, and then I'll give you an interview because it seemed like
even though the job has nothing to do with what you really want to do,
and a lot of bad hiring decisions were made that way, they will tell you
to apply online, but you gotta network differently now. And it's about advice
and contributions at the end of the day. And if you can do that, the
people will take interest in you and you will like the common contact
we're talking about. You will find people that will start cheering for
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you. And if you don't get the first job you have, they'll have the recruiters
looking out for another one for you because they want you to win, because they
see the quality and, you know, it can be
done. It just. You just gotta get smart, right? You gotta share with people a
message that they need to hear, show them how you can help them, and that's
what you're doing. When you're thinking about the experiences that you had that are
relevant to what you're going for, you have to think about it as a customer
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service thing, right? It isn't just about what's in it for you.
It's about what do they need, right? Or what you need and seem to share
with them. Experiences that are relevant to what the customer needs. And
then when you network, it's gotta be about advice and contributions,
not about, here's my resume. Can I apply for a job? Yeah.
I know that we've talked about this in past episodes with
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the essentially AI resume
resources that companies use now and I, but I want to mention
it because what you're saying about the resume and making sure that
you tailor it to fit what you want to do, what
that job that you're applying for is asking,
because it does matter. It's not going to just go to the hand.
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Even if you put it in an email inbox, if you're lucky, they
might drop it into their platform. Chances are they'll tell
you to do it, but it will be run through something and you want to
make sure that you're using industry language, current
technology, things that will get you noticed
in, quite frankly, hundreds, if not thousands of applicants.
(16:07):
So that does matter. And make sure to look at one of those
episodes that we've talked about it that could be a whole other conversation in
itself. Again, because the technology is changing, but
exactly to your point, you need to make sure you're using language about
the job that you want to be doing. Totally. A hundred
percent. Yeah. A hundred percent. Awesome. Well, if somebody is
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navigating this, I highly recommend that they reach out to you and
the team at Best Culture Solutions. And so the best way they could get ahold
of you is what? Oh, man, that's a hard question. No, I'm kidding.
They can get a hold of me. Bestculturesolutions, ca.
Timestculturesolutions. Ca. And yeah, we're always
happy to help people. 100%. We are. Excellent. Well, thank you so
(16:50):
much, Tim. It has been a pleasure, as always. Good to see you. Talk to
you soon.
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