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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, it is Mojo in the morning. keV has
(00:03):
a quick question before we move on to anything else.
You're out with two of your buddies. Yeah, and you
I need to know if you could ask one of
your buddies something that kind of made you think.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, so not the two people that I was out.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
So I'm out with some homies yesterday and one of
my friends is openly gay and apparently he has had
an interaction with another one of my friends.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Pause, this is not Zach Marsham.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not Zach at all,
and it's you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Wasn't there either. I went somewhere after I was with y'all.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And so the openly gay homie told me that another
one of our friends, who is divorced as a child like,
came over to his house and they basically almost had
sex and has said that this person has kissed him
in the mouth before.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And in my mind is blown.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So I'm like, you're talking about blank and my mom
is like, I've never thought that this person's lung that way.
So immediately I'm like, well, wow, like nah, I gotta
know you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Like, and in my mind I'm like, like, you.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Need to know if he's gay, feel like.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Because he's my friend, Like I want you to live
your best life. Right, And that was maybe where the
conversation started to go.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Did the friend that spoke out and said this thing
and realized he was outing him?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Saying?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Did he think you already knew because you were his friend?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
He didn't think I already knew.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But like the kissing thing happened in public, Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Everybody saw it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Your question, Your question is should you just flat out
ask him?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
He was saying, you can't ask, And then he also
had like a deeper like psychology behind it, saying that
the guy doesn't view himself as gay.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Interesting, so his answer might not even be he.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Doesn't even though he does, you know so he so,
so he still views himself not being gay even though
he had a one time experience. Are you gay if
you have a one time experience? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I don't think so, because maybe you just try it
out and then you realize this is not for me.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I feel like that's gay's gay even wanting to do
it let alone.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
There are several people in my life that I wonder
if they are or aren't.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I could never ask.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Is it wrong to ask? Yeah, it's wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I when before Jacob came out, before our son came out,
I was always told by some of my closest friends,
do not ever ask him, like, don't ever ask him,
you know, if you know jac because he wasn't dating
at all, and we, you know, Chelsea and I both
knew that Jacob was gay, and we knew in due
(02:45):
time he was going to come out. I wanted him
to come out as soon as he wanted to, you know,
to come out, and I was hoping it was sooner
than later because I just don't want you don't want
him to have to feel like he has to exactly
you know, live a different life. But you should definitely
not say something to him, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So I want to help to your exactly like, because
if I say what I'm about to say, nothing's going
to change in that relationship. Then the question is, well,
why do you need to know any in the first
place thathing's going to change? Because I want you to
live your best life. I want you to be happy
being who you are, and if for some reason you aren't, like,
let's get you there.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And I think if you say something to him.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It may if he is gay, which you know, I mean,
if if you have sex with a man, I think
that there's something going on there. I don't know if
you're necessarily but I but I would say, you don't
want him to go further into a closet because you
just asked him, you know, true, But.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I don't want him to have to live in the closet.
And maybe I'm obviously like, well, maybe he's not ready
you know for that, And I get all of that.
I just want to I want you to see yourself
in no dot, see you and appreciate you for who
you are.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Textures are texting in with interesting responses on this one.
Textures are texting in saying caveat you could Uh, I
say that. Another text says, keV, don't come across homophobic. Uh,
that would disappoint me. And then another person texted in
this is, uh, if you have sex with a man,
(04:12):
you are definitely gay.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I need to hear from someone who is living this though.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That would actually be good, yes, Like if you're living
it where you are not out and your friends don't
know that you're out, or you.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Recently came out, or someone has had this experience because
we can all say what we want, but none of us.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
In this case with Kevin's guy, that if you're somebody
that is not wanting people to know what's going on,
you're not going to be kissing another guy in public,
Like that's not gonna happen last alcohol, Why for.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
You for your specific situation. I almost wonder if this
guy is as close as a friend as you say,
if you if you tell him, hey, I heard this story.
I I just want to let you, like exactly what
you said. I want you to be able to live
your authentic be your authentic self around me and like
I am a safe space for you, because in a
(05:05):
lot of situations, there isn't that that piece of the story,
do you know what I mean? Where it's been seen
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Have you ever heard of guys being you know, like
girls bar sexual where they're they go to a bar,
they drink, you know, girls will kiss other girls and
a lot of people will say that they're have you
ever seen guys do that at all? Because guys, I
al would think would be more frowned upon doing that,
where girls it's like girls can pretty much be you know,
like making out with other girls.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Emily, what's up. It's Mojo in the morning. Hi.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Hi, I'm a lesbian. So I thought I would call
it and kind of talk about the coming out experience
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
We love that I'm not Leslibian. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
So I think that something to remember is part of
the big one of the biggest things with coming out
is you have to be okay with yourself and being
gay first, before you're like, this is who I am.
Everybody you want to be sure. And so if he's experimented,
not really sure, he could be gay, he could be
by pan not necessarily sure. He might just be kind
(06:08):
of trying to figure it out instead of maybe point
blank asking him, if you just very outwardly share that
you support gay people and that you are supportive if
they are, that will give makes them feel a lot
more comfortable to then come to you and tell you
that on their own.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Emily, what do you think about him kissing another guy
in front of a bunch of people. If he's doing that,
don't you think he's got confidence that he is who.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know he is?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Maybe, but he could have been like drunk or something
I don't know, like the context necessarily and like I
think of like, there are a lot of straight women
that kiss people at like parties and no one accuses
them of being a lesbian.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm telling you, I was just saying that just a
second ago.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I'm like, it seems like such a double standard whenever
that happens, Like.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
You can return something to Nordstrom for ninety days, you
can kiss someone and not be gay.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Okay, all right, opinions, Well, thank you, You're awesome, We
love you. Thanks, thanks so much for the call. What's up, Heather?
How you doing?
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (07:13):
I was just gonna kind of make the same point
that there's such a double standard. If a man had
sex with another man, then he's automatically gay. But if
a woman does the same thing with a woman, then
we're like, oh, but she might not be lesbian.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, no, there definitely is more of a grace.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, so if Shannon kisses Anna, you say she's gay.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Let's see after I see you go.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What's up, Carmen, how you doing good? How are you guys? Good?
What's up?
Speaker 7 (07:49):
I just wanted to say, keV, you know it's not
just you that he would have to worry about coming
out to. There's a whole lot of other people that
he would have to deal with the repercussions of coming
out to the might not be ready to deal with,
So outing himself to you would be outing himself to everyone.
And sometimes people just aren't ready to deal with that.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Aren't there certain and also aren't there certain cultures too
were coming out?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Is just not more open?
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Completely unacceptable?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yes, yeah, no, that's a good, good comment to Carmen.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Uh, what's going on, Danny Hie.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
I wanted to ask Kevin, Well, first off, I've been
listening since there was Dick Purtin, so oh all of
you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Wow, that's a long time ago. Wow.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Yes. And but Kevin, I wanted to know, do you
qualify swingers to.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Be gay if they haven't?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Sad Like, if a guy is married to a woman
and you're saying like he has sex with another guy?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Is that this?
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Well, well, swingers they swap everything.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, if you if you swap the swords, yes, I
would say you're gay.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But aren't in the case of swingers, are you saying
that the guys are together and the girls are together?
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Sometimes it is?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yes, Yeah, I'm mean that might be Uh, that might
be gay. I don't know. What do you say, Danny, Well, I.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Mean I being a gay man, I don't even understand
some stuff, but in my own community, so I mean,
I wouldn't just jump into conclusions.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You've been listening since Dick Purton. Did he ever talk
about stuff like this?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
No, he might have.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I love it. Thank you for the call. Uh Victoria,
what's up?
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Hi? Everyone?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You ken?
Speaker 8 (09:48):
I think you just because I know, and I will
be the one that would be like we should I
ask my other friends and be like, well, no, just
leave it alone.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
It's like, well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
What you hide before?
Speaker 8 (10:06):
I just want to know, like can we all this?
But I do have a cousin. I have a cousin
and for the longest life, since childhood, he has certain
ways in the whole family, even my grandma is just
because it and it's like.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
You know, I never see him with a girl, never
see him go on days either. You stay at home,
and it's just like you.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
I think he would be so much happy if it
just came on out.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But you know what, can I tell you something, Victoria?
I think that he probably is happy. You're the one
that's thinking that he's not happy, you know, And that's
the way I kind of felt with my son, Like
I was one of those like I just want him
to be happy. Well, he was happy, and he's just
as happy when he comes out, and as he will
be happy as he was not out. You know, like
(10:54):
we're all we all sit there and we try to
make other people's happiness for them when they're the only
ones that can make their own happiness. So do you
feel like he's happier Jacob. I think Jacob's the happiest
he's ever been right now. But it's because he found
the person that he wants to be with.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
They are the cutest.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Can I tell you something. I wanted to post a
picture of Jacob and Chris, Doctor Jacob, don't be disrespectful.
Jacob and his boyfriend Chris kissed at the graduation, and
I wanted to post that picture. I was too afraid
of what the listeners would because listeners have been I
have attacked Jake over time, and we'll find him and people.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Will tell him he's going to hell and stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Real.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, And honestly, it's one of those things where I
want to protect my son and but I will say
this to you guys. I will say this to you, guys.
And he posted his own personal so and he was
happy about that. But I will say this to you
when Jacob. There's two moments at his graduation that made
me the happiest. Number One, when they said parents of
(11:50):
the graduates, you know, uh, you know, stand up, Spouses
of the graduate, stand up. And when Chris stood up
for the spouses of it and he sat and waved
to Jacob, and Jacob looked back at him and I
waved at him.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And then when Jake and him after the end they
embraced and kissed, it was like the greatest moment ever.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So this was so
All right, it is Mojo in the morning. keV has
(00:03):
a quick question before we move on to anything else.
You're out with two of your buddies. Yeah, and you
I need to know if you could ask one of
your buddies something that kind of made you think.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, so not the two people that I was out.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
So I'm out with some homies yesterday and one of
my friends is openly gay and apparently he has had
an interaction with another one of my friends.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Pause, this is not Zach Marsham.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not Zach at all,
and it's you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Wasn't there either. I went somewhere after I was with y'all.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
And so the openly gay homie told me that another
one of our friends, who is divorced as a child like,
came over to his house and they basically almost had
sex and has said that this person has kissed him
in the mouth before.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
And in my mind is blown.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So I'm like, you're talking about blank and my mom
is like, I've never thought that this person's lung that way.
So immediately I'm like, well, wow, like nah, I gotta
know you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Like, and in my mind I'm like, like, you.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Need to know if he's gay, feel like.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Because he's my friend, Like I want you to live
your best life. Right, And that was maybe where the
conversation started to go.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Did the friend that spoke out and said this thing
and realized he was outing him?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Saying?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Did he think you already knew because you were his friend?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
He didn't think I already knew.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
But like the kissing thing happened in public, Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Everybody saw it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Your question, Your question is should you just flat out
ask him?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
He was saying, you can't ask, And then he also
had like a deeper like psychology behind it, saying that
the guy doesn't view himself as gay.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Interesting, so his answer might not even be he.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Doesn't even though he does, you know so he so,
so he still views himself not being gay even though
he had a one time experience. Are you gay if
you have a one time experience? Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I don't think so, because maybe you just try it
out and then you realize this is not for me.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I feel like that's gay's gay even wanting to do
it let alone.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
There are several people in my life that I wonder
if they are or aren't.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I could never ask.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Is it wrong to ask? Yeah, it's wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I when before Jacob came out, before our son came out,
I was always told by some of my closest friends,
do not ever ask him, like, don't ever ask him,
you know, if you know jac because he wasn't dating
at all, and we, you know, Chelsea and I both
knew that Jacob was gay, and we knew in due
(02:45):
time he was going to come out. I wanted him
to come out as soon as he wanted to, you know,
to come out, and I was hoping it was sooner
than later because I just don't want you don't want
him to have to feel like he has to exactly
you know, live a different life. But you should definitely
not say something to him, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So I want to help to your exactly like, because
if I say what I'm about to say, nothing's going
to change in that relationship. Then the question is, well,
why do you need to know any in the first
place thathing's going to change? Because I want you to
live your best life. I want you to be happy
being who you are, and if for some reason you aren't, like,
let's get you there.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And I think if you say something to him.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It may if he is gay, which you know, I mean,
if if you have sex with a man, I think
that there's something going on there. I don't know if
you're necessarily but I but I would say, you don't
want him to go further into a closet because you
just asked him, you know, true, But.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I don't want him to have to live in the closet.
And maybe I'm obviously like, well, maybe he's not ready
you know for that, And I get all of that.
I just want to I want you to see yourself
in no dot, see you and appreciate you for who
you are.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Textures are texting in with interesting responses on this one.
Textures are texting in saying caveat you could Uh, I
say that. Another text says, keV, don't come across homophobic. Uh,
that would disappoint me. And then another person texted in
this is, uh, if you have sex with a man,
(04:12):
you are definitely gay.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I need to hear from someone who is living this though.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That would actually be good, yes, Like if you're living
it where you are not out and your friends don't
know that you're out, or you.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Recently came out, or someone has had this experience because
we can all say what we want, but none of us.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
In this case with Kevin's guy, that if you're somebody
that is not wanting people to know what's going on,
you're not going to be kissing another guy in public,
Like that's not gonna happen last alcohol, Why for.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
You for your specific situation. I almost wonder if this
guy is as close as a friend as you say,
if you if you tell him, hey, I heard this story.
I I just want to let you, like exactly what
you said. I want you to be able to live
your authentic be your authentic self around me and like
I am a safe space for you, because in a
(05:05):
lot of situations, there isn't that that piece of the story,
do you know what I mean? Where it's been seen
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Have you ever heard of guys being you know, like
girls bar sexual where they're they go to a bar,
they drink, you know, girls will kiss other girls and
a lot of people will say that they're have you
ever seen guys do that at all? Because guys, I
al would think would be more frowned upon doing that,
where girls it's like girls can pretty much be you know,
like making out with other girls.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Emily, what's up. It's Mojo in the morning. Hi.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Hi, I'm a lesbian. So I thought I would call
it and kind of talk about the coming out experience
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
We love that I'm not Leslibian. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
So I think that something to remember is part of
the big one of the biggest things with coming out
is you have to be okay with yourself and being
gay first, before you're like, this is who I am.
Everybody you want to be sure. And so if he's experimented,
not really sure, he could be gay, he could be
by pan not necessarily sure. He might just be kind
(06:08):
of trying to figure it out instead of maybe point
blank asking him, if you just very outwardly share that
you support gay people and that you are supportive if
they are, that will give makes them feel a lot
more comfortable to then come to you and tell you
that on their own.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Emily, what do you think about him kissing another guy
in front of a bunch of people. If he's doing that,
don't you think he's got confidence that he is who.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You know he is?
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Maybe, but he could have been like drunk or something
I don't know, like the context necessarily and like I
think of like, there are a lot of straight women
that kiss people at like parties and no one accuses
them of being a lesbian.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm telling you, I was just saying that just a
second ago.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I'm like, it seems like such a double standard whenever
that happens, Like.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
You can return something to Nordstrom for ninety days, you
can kiss someone and not be gay.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Okay, all right, opinions, Well, thank you, You're awesome, We
love you. Thanks, thanks so much for the call. What's up, Heather?
How you doing?
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Hey?
Speaker 7 (07:09):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (07:13):
I was just gonna kind of make the same point
that there's such a double standard. If a man had
sex with another man, then he's automatically gay. But if
a woman does the same thing with a woman, then
we're like, oh, but she might not be lesbian.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, no, there definitely is more of a grace.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, so if Shannon kisses Anna, you say she's gay.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Let's see after I see you go.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What's up, Carmen, how you doing good? How are you guys? Good?
What's up?
Speaker 7 (07:49):
I just wanted to say, keV, you know it's not
just you that he would have to worry about coming
out to. There's a whole lot of other people that
he would have to deal with the repercussions of coming
out to the might not be ready to deal with,
So outing himself to you would be outing himself to everyone.
And sometimes people just aren't ready to deal with that.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Aren't there certain and also aren't there certain cultures too
were coming out?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Is just not more open?
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Completely unacceptable?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yes, yeah, no, that's a good, good comment to Carmen.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Uh, what's going on, Danny Hie.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
I wanted to ask Kevin, Well, first off, I've been
listening since there was Dick Purtin, so oh all of
you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Wow, that's a long time ago. Wow.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
Yes. And but Kevin, I wanted to know, do you
qualify swingers to.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Be gay if they haven't?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Sad Like, if a guy is married to a woman
and you're saying like he has sex with another guy?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Is that this?
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Well, well, swingers they swap everything.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, if you if you swap the swords, yes, I
would say you're gay.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But aren't in the case of swingers, are you saying
that the guys are together and the girls are together?
Speaker 6 (08:58):
Sometimes it is?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yes, Yeah, I'm mean that might be Uh, that might
be gay. I don't know. What do you say, Danny, Well, I.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Mean I being a gay man, I don't even understand
some stuff, but in my own community, so I mean,
I wouldn't just jump into conclusions.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
You've been listening since Dick Purton. Did he ever talk
about stuff like this?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (09:24):
No, he might have.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I love it. Thank you for the call. Uh Victoria,
what's up?
Speaker 8 (09:32):
Hi? Everyone?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
You ken?
Speaker 8 (09:48):
I think you just because I know, and I will
be the one that would be like we should I
ask my other friends and be like, well, no, just
leave it alone.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
It's like, well, I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
What you hide before?
Speaker 8 (10:06):
I just want to know, like can we all this?
But I do have a cousin. I have a cousin
and for the longest life, since childhood, he has certain
ways in the whole family, even my grandma is just
because it and it's like.
Speaker 7 (10:22):
You know, I never see him with a girl, never
see him go on days either. You stay at home,
and it's just like you.
Speaker 8 (10:28):
I think he would be so much happy if it
just came on out.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But you know what, can I tell you something, Victoria?
I think that he probably is happy. You're the one
that's thinking that he's not happy, you know, And that's
the way I kind of felt with my son, Like
I was one of those like I just want him
to be happy. Well, he was happy, and he's just
as happy when he comes out, and as he will
be happy as he was not out. You know, like
(10:54):
we're all we all sit there and we try to
make other people's happiness for them when they're the only
ones that can make their own happiness. So do you
feel like he's happier Jacob. I think Jacob's the happiest
he's ever been right now. But it's because he found
the person that he wants to be with.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
They are the cutest.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Can I tell you something. I wanted to post a
picture of Jacob and Chris, Doctor Jacob, don't be disrespectful.
Jacob and his boyfriend Chris kissed at the graduation, and
I wanted to post that picture. I was too afraid
of what the listeners would because listeners have been I
have attacked Jake over time, and we'll find him and people.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Will tell him he's going to hell and stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
Real.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, And honestly, it's one of those things where I
want to protect my son and but I will say
this to you guys. I will say this to you, guys.
And he posted his own personal so and he was
happy about that. But I will say this to you
when Jacob. There's two moments at his graduation that made
me the happiest. Number One, when they said parents of
(11:50):
the graduates, you know, uh, you know, stand up, Spouses
of the graduate, stand up. And when Chris stood up
for the spouses of it and he sat and waved
to Jacob, and Jacob looked back at him and I
waved at him.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And then when Jake and him after the end they
embraced and kissed, it was like the greatest moment ever.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
So this was so
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