CLASSICS: A Sasquatch Sighting in Oregon!

In this "classic" episode from the Clobo Archives, Clifford and the Bobes chat with Doug Chez about a sighting that he and his fellow 'squatchers had in Oregon back in January of 2024! Doug and his compatriots were previous guests on Ep. 217, so give that a listen to learn more about their field efforts! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Five Stock and me.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Great, just gone yesterday and listening watching lim always keep
its watching.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Cliff, I got your text messages and the pictures looks
like you got a big weekend.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Oh man, I've been I've been running ragged, dude. It
it's been nutty, nutty, nutty. And we're gonna hear more
about that today with our guests when we bring them
on in a few minutes here. But yeah, let me
tell you it's it's been NonStop since pretty much a
week before the Meldrum event. And the Meldrum event was
on the twenty fifth of January. It's insane.

Speaker 6 (00:54):
What have you been up to?

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Bobs? Everybody knows what I've been doing, but what have
you been up to?

Speaker 6 (00:58):
Ah's out.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I came out from back East with his son and
he's cool guy. I think, yeah, you've You've spoke to
him on the phone before. He likes to stay in
the background, keep his name out of things.

Speaker 6 (01:10):
But we went out.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
He wanted to check out some spots on the coast
here and go to the Willow Creek Museum and that
sort of stuff. So we did that and his son
came out and joined us. Really cool guy. So but
we had a good time. I mean, we definitely sat
in some rain and endured some of that. But we
got up to uh, the Willow Creek big Foot Museum
up there, and they got a new guy up he's

(01:34):
he's been there for probably a year now. He's retired
law enforcement officer, guy Eric, and he's got a brother, Chris.
He's also a buddy that I went out with last
November when I heard those three calls up in Trinity
when I was out there with him and Poully looking
for firewood and we got the firewood. Yeah, I heard
those ones out there, So it was his brother. Eric

(01:54):
is now retired and he's working out there at Willow
Creek and they got some big plans to redo that
place and staggered. It's been the same for twenty years whatever.
It's just they haven't changed anything in there, and they've
got stuff in the back room, so they're gonna revamp
the interiories. He's gonna he's in touch with one of
the big name guys from back in the fifties and sixties,

(02:14):
local guy that was, you know, a contemporary of Al Hodgson,
whose son is a retired lagger. And he's gonna get
us in a group meeting. We're gonna all get together
for lunch. And he says, oh, I know, I know
where they took the prints back in the sixties, you know,
down in High End Palm. He knows exactly those were casts.
So he's gonna take us to those spots. And this guy,

(02:37):
I guess is a natural. I haven't spoke to him
personally yet, but I guess he's a natural storyteller. And
he's got a lot of info about Apparently his dad
saw Roger and Bob when they came out with Al Hotson.
He they called them, they called both those guys. His
dad was there when they came out, when they before
I went to Eureka. And so I'm hoping to get
some really cool info and if if he's gonna kind

(02:59):
of see how it goes too, and if we hit
it off, I'm sure we will.

Speaker 6 (03:03):
He is a meanable to coming on the podcast.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Oh nice, nice, I know who you're talking about I
had a long conversation with this gentleman. He has his
own observations of Sasquatches. He was right there in the
in the middle of everything with the history of it.
That is going to be fantastic. And you know, since
you know these people at the Willow Creek Museum, if
you can go ahead and pass on my information, if
there's anything I can do to help them out, anything
at all, I'm happy to do that. Yeah. So, if

(03:29):
there's anything I can do, go ahead and pass on
my number to them. I'm happy to help out any
other museums.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, it's kind of like I had to tell them,
like I said, Yeah, now I'm kind of torn.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
You know, I said, you're.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
My first love, but I do love is the NABC,
and I kind of got to stick with that, you know,
like if I get something really good, Oh.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
There's room for both. There's room for both. There's no
competition in this because they're in California. I'm up here
in the Portland area that there there's plenty going on here.
I'll tell you that, you know, all that historical stuff
should should be housed down there in the area in
which it was found. That's really amazing. You know, the
tipmus collection stands on its own. It is one of
the most fantastic things you can put your eyes on

(04:06):
if you're interested in bigfoot stuff. And I'm thrilled to
hear that they're going to augment the museum and perhaps
update it because you know, I've gone through the drawers there.
You know, they've got a lot of stuff that isn't
on display and it's just been kind of sitting there,
and I think that they could perhaps do something more
with the museum, and I think that it's it's about
time they do. I'm thrilled to hear it.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 7 (04:28):
You know, I noticed there was stuff missing from the
drawers because I've gone through the drawers like a bunch
of times, and we went through and again I was like,
I know, there's some good casts that are missing out
of this, but I hope there's just upstairs wherever they're
storage you know it.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
You know, but he's trying to They were looking at you.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
From just the last year since he's been there, it's
about ninety eight point five percent of the people that
come in come in to see the Bigfoot collection and
not like the you know, mining equipment and you know
the typical you know wild West museum, you know, mining
museum type thing. So he's trying to gently get a

(05:05):
little more space, maybe move out some of the stuff
from the mining stuff and put in more big foot things.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
So that's what that's what I mean, give the people
what they want. That's what people are there for.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Yeah. Yeah, at the end of the day, I think
that the Willow Creek stuff is best known for bigfoot.
I mean, look around town at the statues and the
murals and all that other stuff. I mean, Willow Creek
is known for that and perhaps a little bit less
for prospecting in you know, oil lamps.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
Right right in the foot of Cliff. Cliff's doppelganger on
the wall.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's super funny. Yeah, there's a guy
on the wall that looks a lot like me. Man,
But I mean I was I wasn't even born when this,
I mean when when he died.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
You know.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
It's probably from the nineteen twenties or earlier. I don't
even know when, but it's oddly similar to me. If
I had much better taste and facial hair.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
I'll send you a picture of that.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
For he has pretty great, we'll.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
Put it on the social media's. Yeah, I've seen that picture.
He does look like you.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
He died before you were born, and you've never been
the same since.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
I know, well at least you know, I know where
I was in her previous life. I was in Willow
Creek and he had a good style back then, not
like now.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I look terrible.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
So so you were out in the where did you go,
like up in the coast somewhere. Did you got to
go to the interior or what were you thinking we did?

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Because oh, yeah, Well so the first night we went
into one of my old spots, you know, up by
Rowad National Park, and we went in and there was
totally dead. I mean there was there was rodents. There
was rodents around, but you know, it's quite I said,
you know, it's contympically be dead. And you know it's
usually twenty forty five minutes at least until you know,

(06:38):
from when we stop and sit down and just be quiet,
we might get some knocks or you know, here's some
stuff coming around us.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
We didn't hear anything.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
I was like, God, like it was dead, but I
kind of felt like they could have been around, Like
I wasn't I was like, it feels like they could
be around, but I'm not sure. Like and when I
was there too much earlier with Bart, remember I told
you about we heard those really late knocks that as
they moved the creak away from us, like really really
subtle knocks, like they weren't knocking for us at all,
that they were knocking so we couldn't hear them just

(07:07):
for themselves as they moved away. So I was thinking, like, well,
it's probably you know, I think this theres from what
I can tell, is maybe a nursery type area. And
so we went anyways, we left like one in the
morning whatever, and then say at one thirty.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
About a half hour we left crack.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
He got on the audio when he went back the
next morning and gather the audio, there was about a
dozen different knocks, I mean solid knocks.

Speaker 6 (07:36):
And where he put the we were hiking.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Out about a mile out whatever it was, say it
was a mile, and where you're hiking a mile, stuff happens.
And then near the where you start hiking at that
is the other spot where we've had activity. But nothing
in this like it's a dead zone for like you know,
three quarters of a mile, there's nothing ever happens in
there like ever. And he hung three recorders and the

(08:03):
middle one was in the dead zone. And the knocking
went on for I think he said twenty minutes or so.
But the interesting thing was the last knock was like
a power knock and it was right by the recorder.
Like they came into this area that I thought they
didn't come into, and they that was the last power knock.

(08:23):
It was a full power knock near the recorder. So
that was cool to know that they were problem. I mean,
they may have came in after we left, but I
think they were there the whole time and after we
left they just did their thing.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, maybe they're onto you. They like they kind of like, oh,
these guys are going to hang out in the dark
for a while, Like they've seen you enough. You're in there,
you know fairly often they might know you personally by now,
in which case they're onto you and they're just waiting
for you to leave because that's what you usually do at.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
Some point, right Yeah, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
So our guest today is Doug Shay. He is a
recent witness. He saw a sasquatch basically almost en route
to a Sasquatch conference, which is crazy, but you know,
weird things have happened, and so Doug, thank you very
much for coming on Bigfoot and be on today and
then being willing to share your story with us.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
That's Doug all doing well. Good to hear from y'all.
And yeah, it was. I was almost afraid to even
report it at first because of the fact that it
was so close to squatch Fest, but I'm glad we
did because it sounds like it's been yielding some really
good results.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
Well I get where you're coming from, because you know,
back in the day, I saw something that was dark
and upright with an arms swing and on my while
being driven to the Texas Bigfoot Conference, And to this
day I wonder if that was a sasquatch or not.
But you know, obviously I don't know for sure. It
was such a great distance. But also the fact that
I was on my way to the Texas Bigfoot Conference

(09:47):
and you know, with bigfooters in the front seat, I
just kind of thought like no one would believe me anyway,
So like whatever, man, So I totally get your hesitancy
to bring this up, but I'm so glad you did well.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Thank you. I knew that I could talk to you
about it because and Carrie also were really glad that
we were able to talk to you about the siding.
And Todd was a little disappointed because he was down lower.
But and it's funny because we weren't even going to
end up in that area because we first tried the
Mount Saint Helen's area first. But there was so much

(10:20):
snow and it was just there was all kinds of
road damage. I actually had a bad migraine that day,
and it was on Thursday, so we're kind of glad.
We decided we saw there was going to be no
rain for about three or four hours, so we said,
let's just jet on down into Oregon and see if
we can stir up something.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
When you came up to my table at squatch Fest
on Friday and you told me about it, I said,
we saw a sasquatch, so what really? Really? Okay, that's interesting.
And I said, okay, well, where was this either some
road crossing or something on the five or you know,
or what was going on? And you you said, oh, yeah,
I was up at you know, kind of in the
area of Sandy Ridge Trail. And I go, oh, my God,
that's right up the road from my home. You know,

(11:00):
those are those are my bigfoots, so to speak. You know,
those are the ones that probably cruise through my neighborhood occasionally,
because you know, over the years on the podcast here,
I've kind of mentioned when I think that sasquatches might
have been nearby, you know, either scaring my wife inside
or some knox or vocalizations that I've personally heard on
my property, and I think, oh my gosh, those are

(11:21):
probably the same ones. And I've done several, like numerous
investigations obviously all up and down the ridge there just
a little further up in Rhododendron. I think I've now
investigated maybe four or six or more road crossing sidings
on Highway twenty six. There's been stuff up on Lolo
Pass Road forever, and those are that's all right there

(11:43):
in the neighborhood. In fact, this is kind of kind
of weird, I guess, and some for serendipoitous perhaps, But
just today we acquired another part of another historical collection.
The guy's still alive or whatever, and there's more to come,
so I'll save all that until later at some point.
But about two file boxes full of things like the
track record and some photographs and personal correspondences from Peter

(12:06):
Burrn because he was a good friend that Peter Burns,
and all this other stuff. And I was kind of
leafing through a lot of that stuff today getting it organized,
and lo and behold, I ran across footprint finds and
sightings and some other things, all from the Welches and
lo Low Pass area, which is pretty much ground zero
for your sighting. So yeah, that the history has been
there for a long time and obviously still continues to

(12:28):
this day. Well maybe not this day, but you know
last week, which is pretty much this day, I think,
sir to say. Yeah, So I was blown away when
you said that, when you said the location, because you
don't know where I live. You don't know anything about
like the history of this area because you guys live
in California. So when you said that, I was thrilled.
And of course we went out there on Sunday with

(12:48):
you as well. But now I've heard the story, I've
been to the siding location with you, I've done the investigation,
I've done all sorts of stuff up there. But Bobo,
I don't think has heard it from your lips. So
why don't you tell the audience and Bobo what transpired
that day?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Okay, that sounds great. Yeah, well, we had driven up Wednesday.
We had actually gone to the NABC and had showed
them one of the casts that we took, which we
also showed you at the squatch Best. So Thursday, we thought,
we got here day early, we're going to do a
little squatching, and we originally were going to go up
to Mount Saint Helen's and we're going to try to

(13:24):
just find a spot. But it was two feet plus
the snow. Everywhere you went. You couldn't hardly get off
the road because of the snow plows, and it was
raining the whole time, and so Todd said, why don't
we head down? And I had a migraine that day too,
and I wasn't feeling that good. So that's funny how
things turn out like that. But anyway, Todd goes, hey,

(13:46):
I noticed that the weather's breaking in Oregon around Mount
Hood area, So why don't we just go down there?
And we don't know the area, but we thought, well,
let's just go up the highway there and just take
a road and see what happened. So we went up
further at first, but there was just way too much
ice and snow, so we turned back and ended up
in the area that you mentioned, and we noticed there

(14:09):
was a place that you could park and there was
a lock gate, and so we saw the road and
we said, hey, let's just walk up this road. So
we started walking up and we were doing some tree knocks.
We didn't do any calls or anything. Well, we heard
a knock. Carrie and Todd myself heard one knock, and
then we got up i'd say a half mile or so,

(14:32):
and we had left the car probably around two o'clock,
and so we were up that road about a half
mile or so, and all of a sudden, Carrie I
was up in front of Carry. Carrie was in the middle,
and Todd was down below. And we're up that road
and there's a bend up there just ahead, and Carry goes,
I just heard a tree knock, and both me and

(14:53):
Todd go we didn't hear it. And then all of
a sudden, he looked over to his left at the
time he goes, do you guys see that? And I
was just like looking around, and all the sudden I
saw something just move upright, saw its arm swinging. It's
kind of deep as far as brush there with the

(15:14):
trees with the different forage down there, and there was
snow on the ground too, But that thing moved faster,
and I've seen anything move. And I saw its head,
I saw its arms swaying. It didn't look at me,
but Carrie said it actually was standing by a tree
and they made eye contact and then it just took off,

(15:35):
and so carry goes, did you see that? And I
went and I hesitated because I was trying to just
process in my mind what I was seeing, because I
was like, oh, my goodness, I am seeing a sasquatch.
And then I said, yes, I saw it. And Todd
was a little bummed because he was a little lower,
so he didn't have quite as good view where he

(15:56):
was because that thing just moves so quick between the trees,
and then it got lost because of all the different
other foliage from some evergreen trees in the area. And
so I saw it probably only it seemed like a
decent amount of time, but it was probably only about
two seconds. And it was tall, because I thought it

(16:16):
was shorter till you were standing out there on Sunday.
And then I realized how much bigger it was, so
I'd say it had to be in the seven and
a half to eight foot range based on being there
that second time on Sunday.

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Speaker 5 (18:57):
Now, when you saw this going down, One of the
questions I want to ask you, after thoroughly studying the event,
by the way, is when you saw it running, could
you hear it running?

Speaker 2 (19:07):
No? I couldn't hear it running. It was just gliding.
I mean I heard something you heard rustling that It
wasn't like a loud like it's loud sound, And I
think it's probably because the snow was helping to lower
the percussion of it. And I was just amazed on
how I've never seen anything move so fast.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
How far were you from it? And like how how
long a distance you think it covered? You see it
go for twenty yards or forty yards or.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I think it covered probably twenty to forty yards, and
we were approximately i'd say thirty yards from where we
saw it. We were pretty close.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
That's close.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, it was close.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Actually I measured it when I've gone back there twice
since I last saw you. The distance from where I
met where the footprints were found and the road was
sixty yard.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yards Okay, sixty yards Okay, a.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
Little bit more of sixty three or something like that,
but it was about between sixty sixty five yards.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Well, that helps explain it, because man, you know, when
you look at see I'm not a very good judge
of distance when it comes out being in the woods,
and that just shows right there, because to me it
looked like pretty close. But sixty yards that makes sense.
But yeah, it was. I'm glad you got that. That's
another reason I want to start measuring things and doing

(20:29):
things so that we can get really accurate. So sixty
yards still close though.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, Well you know what, I'm part of the thing,
and I've been thinking about this kind of a lot,
and I'm when we went out there on Sunday. Okay,
so let's back up a little bit. At squatch Fest,
you told me about this stuff, and I'm thinking, of
course you saw a sasquatch. When I have a working
obligation for the next two days and I can't get
out there, that's the way things go. That's out. That's
Murphy's law, which is why Murphy is called Murphy in

(20:56):
our Bigfoot Museum. Something's always going wrong. Great opportunity, and
I've got to work and shake hands and talk to
people and stuff like that instead of going out to
the woods. So anyway, when we got out there on Sunday,
of course Matt and Emily prut they were guests at
my home, so they came out with us. And of course,
how cool is that to come out and you know,
I'm visiting, visiting Oregon and I get to go on

(21:16):
a sasquatch you know investigation that happened two or three
days ago. That's pretty cool. But so anyway, we met
you at eleven o'clock on Sunday morning after coming home
from Longview and went up there and when you put
me in the place that you thought it was, it
was a lot closer. Well, the place you put me
was closer than where the animal actually was. And we

(21:38):
know that because we found footprints further back, So when
you said you were guessing it was thirty yards or
so in the woods, that was you probably put me
at thirty or forty yards. And then nothing was there.
So we looked around and we identified the trackway, we
cut the trail. Basically, we found the track, so where
the thing was running. I think I may have found
the area where it was actually staying when the first

(22:01):
visual carry I think saw it first. I think we
found that area because there's a big push down area
in the ferns where there's a little bit of snow
still and all that jazz. You guys actually found the
first track in the snow, which I thought was really
cool as well. But what struck me is like, oh, yeah,
usually the witness puts me in the wrong spot first,

(22:22):
and very often it's actually closer to the witness than
the sasquatch was actually standing. And I've been kind of
contemplating that, and I think the reason for that is
because they're big animals, and they look like they're closer
because they're so big. But because this is a pretty
big sasquatch. You said seven and a half eight feet tall.

(22:45):
The footprints measured about fifteen inches, you know, so at
least fourteen and a half, probably in the fifteen inch range,
give or take a little bit, based on the you know,
numerous tracks that we found in the ground. So that
kind of occurred to me. It's like, oh, yeah, of
course they're going to put me closer than the actual
Sasquatch because you know.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
They're you know, pipsqueak.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
Little Cliff, who's five foot eight is a lot smaller
than that sasquatch is, and they're going to think that
the Sasquatch is closer because they're so big.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know, that makes perfect sense. And I'm just really
glad that, you know, we were looking back and thinking
maybe we should have looked at the snowprints, but it
was like four o'clock in the afternoon and we had
to get back to our hotel and long View, And
I'm kind of glad due to the fact that our
research capabilities are not up to your level at this point,

(23:37):
though we're learning we might have just like destroyed the
whole trackway. So I'm so glad we in a way.
I mean, the only drawback was the fact that it
decided to pour for three days, so it probably damaged
some of the tracks a little but no, that was
you know, I never expected I'd see it, but it
was amazing.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
If you had gone out there to investigate the snow prints,
you may have run into something unexpected because what we
found is from the place where you guys said you
saw it, it was running to your left. Okay, now
tracking that a little bit towards the hill where you
said that it was running towards another fifty sixty I

(24:20):
don't know. I'm not very good at distance, so probably
another maybe i'll say sixty or eighty yards or so,
maybe one hundred, I don't know. In that direction I
lost its trail. I have no idea where it went.
But the last thing I found, and you saw this,
and Matt Prue and Emily's Prude as all they saw
this as well. The thing sat down that it did

(24:40):
not leave the area immediately, at least I've certainly left
the area eventually. But it did not leave the area immediately.
Because we found the place in the ferns where the
thing put its butt down. We didn't find a butt print,
but we did find two actually three hand prints to
the left and right of where all these ferns were

(25:01):
pushed down. There was one on the right hand side
and two on the left hand side. Now, some of
you might be saying, wait, sasquatches don't have three hands. Well,
you know one hand can touch the ground twice, right,
So yeah, So there were three handprints, two in the
left and one of the right of where the ferns
were pushed down, indicating that the thing probably sat down

(25:24):
next to this log in the ferns. So the thing
might have been there just waiting for you to leave
that if you had gone out in the snow to
look at the footprints, you may have come across a
little bit more than you bargained for.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Well, that is good information. No, I'm really glad that
occasionally we might listen to our inner self and saying,
maybe it's not a good idea to go in there.
I'm glad we didn't.

Speaker 6 (25:48):
A great idea. That's exactly you know, you want to
go in there.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
Well, that's something that's something for us to consider. Like
if anybody out there listening or you know, us here blabbing,
if any of us see a sasquatch, like just throwing
an idea out there. So we have a using a
scientific method here, we have a little bit of data
that the thing sat down. Yeah, I mean, I think
it's safe to assume for Morton, maybe a few seconds

(26:12):
or maybe a few minutes. Who knows how long. We
don't know, but we do know it sat down. What
if that is a normal behavior for sasquatches after they're observed,
like they leave, they presumably leave the area and then
sit down again. Remember, according to doctor Grover Krantz in
his book Bob Tittmans tracked Patty after Roger and Bob
saw the thing, and what did it do? It left

(26:34):
the area and then immediately circled down again and sat
down and watched Roger and Bob cast the prince or
do whatever they are doing on the sandbar that day. Well,
this animal, this animal split and ran off to the
to your left, you know, towards the hill, and then
sat down.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
How far was it?

Speaker 5 (26:51):
It sat down about sixty yards sixty seventy yards or
more or something like that. That's it. Yeah, So what
if this is normal sasquatch behavior. When people think that
the sasquatch has left the area, they usually do too,
because they're shaken up and a little scared at the time.
But what if that's not happening.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
But Patty went for like a couple of miles.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
No, she didn't. She went a few hundred yards and
went up the hill, well on that rock face where
Bob tracked her down the hill or up the river
and then up the rock face. And then that's where
he stopped and turned around and went back to Roger.
And then the thing went up at one hundred and
seventy five yards from where Roger and Bob were and
watched them. According to Bob Timmas and Bob Gimlin's account.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
I thought she went up like half a mile and
cut up, or I think came back like a quarter
mile and was overviewing him or something like that.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Bob Gimlin said that he tracked her but by on
the wet footprints on the rocks up the Bowling Alley
north of the Patterson Gablin film site, to a rock
wall that she scaled directly up, having gone up and
down there several times. There's only one option for that
that I'm aware of, at least, and it is about,
I don't know, three hundred yards up up the you know,
I'm guessing again. Distance is a little weird for me,

(28:01):
but it's way it's before the turn up by Scorpion Creek.
But the point is it left the area until she
felt safe and then scooted it around. But what But again,
data point of only two isn't much to go on.
But I'm just putting that out there. What if this
is normal sasquatch behavior, maybe we as witnesses and researchers
are missing an opportunity to see the thing again.

Speaker 6 (28:22):
I think I think they always do that. I've always
thought they just they don't just take off for miles.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
They just go till they're safe, and then they observe
again because they're observers.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yeah, but this thing was not very far so anyway,
pretty pretty interesting stuff.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
Yeah, sixty hours, that's nothing.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
That's powerful information that has been unlocked.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
It's speculation, to be fair, it's just speculation at this point.
But it's an interesting thing to check. You know, if
somebody has the guts to follow the sasquatch a little
bit away from where they observed it, maybe they'd find
the things sitting there, hiding there, waiting for you to
go away. You know.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, that makes sense because deer even do that type
of behavior. I've noticed a lot of times deer will
go a certain distance and stop and look around. So
it shouldn't be surprising that sasquatch would do something like
that too, because it probably figures we're out of its
sight and it can just kind of regroup, and that
is really good information. And it was hidden so well

(29:19):
in that area too, So well, Bobo, I think I
will in the future try your method.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
I don't always do that, but I just know that
you're here, take off, you know, and then they just stop,
like there's just not another sound. But I know that
they can slip away like see, you don't know if
they're there or not, because there's they can go so
silent mode. But sometimes you hear like crush, crunch, crush,
and they go off a distance and then they just
there's just no more noise, like there's just they're sitting there.

(29:49):
So yeah, but I don't think that. I don't think
they run for miles. I think they just go to
their safe they feel like, okay, I can watch. I
can say if they look from here, see what happens?

Speaker 5 (29:57):
What No when you guys after you guys saw, I'm curious,
put yourself back in that place where you're you observe
the thing running from right to left. This a few
moments passed and you're you're probably it's one of those
like holy crap sort of moments. Right, What did you
do immediately afterwards? Because this has bearing on sasquatch behavior
at this point, So what were what were you guys

(30:19):
doing immediately seconds and for the next few minutes after
seeing the animal.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Well, first of all, we just kind of discussed it
a little bit, like Carrie and I were talking and
Tom was going, I didn't see it, and so then
we walked We ended up walking up a little further. Actually,
we walked up a little further around the bend, and
then we said, hey, it's getting later because it was
going to start raining again and we knew we had

(30:46):
to make it up to long View, and so we
just started walking down the trail again. And I was
constantly looking over to my right now since we were
going down the trail and they were too, and I'm
just hoping that it would be flushed out some more.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
But there was nothing interesting. Okay, yeah, so maybe it's set.
I mean I wish, of course, you can't tell how
long something was there, unfortunately, but sure would like to
know how long it watched, you guys for because it
didn't run very far unless you know, there's another possibility
that crossed my mind when I was out there looking
at sign, unless there was another one there. We don't
know that.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So I think too the fact that when we got
there Sunday and Matt found that Elk carcass too, and
there was a lot and there was a lot of
deer there too, as like it seemed like prime habitat.
And so maybe that's another reason I didn't want to leave,
because it liked its ground that it had staked there.

(31:45):
I'm not sure. I don't know their behavior well enough,
but yeah, and it's so ironic because here we're in
northern California, getting closer and closer to some in our
area based on just the ativity we're having, and it
was so ironic, of all places I saw it in Oregon.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah. Yeah, So, so how long would you estimate after
the sighting were you in the area after so you
walked up a little further, you came back. Here's some
discussion obviously, how many minutes do you think you were
actually in the area.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Probably close to thirty minutes, And we were just looking
around and because we went up a little further and
we would talk about it, and then we started walking
down stop, look to our right, look for anything else,
trying to hear noises. We didn't do any more tree
knocks after that. We didn't hear anything, but and then

(32:43):
eventually we made our way back down the hill and
jumped into our vehicle and we were Actually it's kind
of funny because when we drove by the NABC, we
saw a bunch of cars there and Todd goes, hey,
should we report it? And I go, now, I look
at all those cars. Plus I don't feel that good.
We can just talk to them at squatch Fest. And

(33:03):
little did we know until later that Meldrum was there.
And so that's pretty interesting.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Yeah, that was January twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. We
had an event here at the NABC. I was here, obviously,
and doctor Meldrim was here, and so was Michael Freeman
and Tom Powell and Ken Gerhardt and Matt and Emily Pruitt.
All sorts of folks were here, just all sorts of people.
And if you would have come, it would have been

(33:29):
very disruptive to our evening. I guarantee that, because they said,
all right, everybody go home. We're going to uprom the
Hill right now. So in a way, I'm kind of
glad you didn't come, because we would, you know, would
have destroyed the entire evening. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back
after these messages.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
I wanted to get a little more description of what
you saw. I like, color patterns, hair leang facial features,
like the broadness of it, like a muscle definition, all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Okay, yeah, for me, it was kind of funny because Carrie,
I said, what did it look like? And he goes, well,
it was a really distinct brown with white. He saw
some white like I don't know if it was on
its chin, because he said it actually was standing by
that tree and they made eye contact and so and
I said, well, I looked at it as more like

(34:28):
a reddish brown. But he found he started going through
the internet and found a picture of one that's obviously
an artist depiction. He goes, this is what I saw,
and I go, you know, a long hairy because like
I saw the hair hanging on its arm when it
was moving, and I mean, it was just darting through
those trees. I've never seen anything so quick. It's kind

(34:51):
of a like a brown, a lighter brown that maybe
was aging. I don't know, but I once we looked
at a picture that he'd show me to go that's
what I saw. So I saw its hair. I didn't
really see its legs too well because it was moving
so fast and because of the foliage the way it's
set up. It was probably up to its knee or

(35:13):
something or less. And then I saw its head from
the side. It never looked at me, but it definitely
had broad shoulders, long hair, and then I just saw
that arm moving really quick and it was just gone
in a flash. It It's so weird how your mind

(35:34):
when you see something like that and you're just like
trying to basically, Okay, what am I seeing. That's not
a deer. I've seen a million deer hopping through the woods.
That's not an elk. I've seen elk in the woods.
It's not a bear. That is an upright creature moving swiftly.
It just moved quicker than I expected. But I did

(35:55):
get a good side view of it, and it had
hair I would say probably in the range of six
inches maybe a little longer than that. It had definitely
a coned head, big head into broad shoulders, and I
just saw that arm moving quickly and it was gone
before I hardly could even just what my mind just saw.

(36:19):
And I'm glad CARRY got a straight on view. And
that's why when he said did you see that? And
I hesitated, he was like worried no one else saw
it because he lost it after it saw him. It
just took off and he couldn't find it again. But
fortunately I was up about probably thirty feet forty feet,
so I had a really good view, better view of

(36:41):
what of those woods over there that were to our
left at that time. It was kind of my left
right because I was kind of starting to look at
it just take off through those trees, and I've just
you know, they always say they're almost like gliding there
so quick. That's that's what I would describe it, going
in betawse between the trees, and I mean, I think

(37:02):
there was a little bit of noise, but I think
I was so focused on what I was seeing, I
didn't even my auditory brain weays were not even just
paying attention to the noise that was going on, because
it just it's it's just weird when you actually see
something like this and you're going like, wow, am I

(37:22):
seeing what I'm seeing? But I knew what it was.
There's nothing no animal I've ever seen done has done that,
and I'm out. I'm a very outdoors person. I've seen
so many bears in my life and other creatures in
the wilderness, even seen a couple of mountain lions. Yeah,
it was none of those. It was definitely a sasquatch

(37:42):
and so kind of shakes you to your foundations when
you see something like that.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Yeah, it's funny. You're going to shock.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Like you're talking before, Like your brain goes like a
really quick rollot decks like.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
Like what am I looking at it?

Speaker 4 (37:56):
You go through like all the animals super quick, like no, no, no,
no bear or no, well no, dear it just and
then you're like, oh, like it just comes to me like,
oh my god, I just saw a freaking squatch.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
YEP, it was kind of funny. A friend of ours
had some pictures like a few days later when we
returned from the squatch fest, and he goes, yeah, it's
funny how people will say you misidentified it. He goes,
I'm going to do a little experiment with you. And
you had some pictures on a on a thing. He says,
I'm just going to show you and turn it around
and see if you can identify it. And he did

(38:27):
it to me, and I identified every one of them
in just that flash. So there's no misidentification here. You know,
your brain process it very quickly. But yeah, I liked
your explanation. Like a rolodex. That's just your mind is
just going like what am I seeing? This is crazy
because it just doesn't fit, doesn't fit what you expect.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
Yeah, well, you know what might shake your cage a
little harder. Think about how fast you saw the animal running. Okay,
you've stated so several times at you were just kind
of astonished. I guess at how quickly it moved. Okay. Now,
there have been track finds that have a step length.
A step, of course, is left to right or right

(39:12):
to left, whereas a stride is from right to right
or left to left. It's slightly different nomenclature here. There
have been track finds with a step length of nine
or ten feet or so, you know, give or take
a little bit, which is you know what one hundred
and twenty inches. Right, The average step length that I

(39:32):
found in the trackway out there at your siding location
was about fifty two inches. So it wasn't even running,
you know, so I consider that it wasn't it wasn't
all an ass wow. Yeah, So that if that doesn't
shake your cage, I don't know what would. So you
might have seen this scene going fifteen miles an hour

(39:54):
or more, which is pretty fast for something in the woods,
you know, but it they're capable of much much faster
than that, especially with such long step lengths. So most
of the tracks that we found were about fifteen or
i'm sorry, fifty two or so inches apart, give or
take a little bit. That that's what we were using
for the tracking stick length is fifty two inches, and
that's how we found most of the tracks. So even

(40:18):
after you saw it, you know, and of course there
were some areas in there where we didn't pick up tracks.
The thing about this trackway like from the very as
far back as we can track it to the very
last place that we know that it was, it was.
I did the measurement so on my GPS, I don't
have the number, but I bet it was about one
hundred and twenty or so yards, maybe one hundred and

(40:39):
fifty two hundred yards at the most, So it probably
ran just for a little ways, and there were there
were three or four tracks in a row, maybe two
or three because you saw me like, oh, here's the track,
and I pointed, there's one, and there's one. That kind
of stuff. We'd find two or three in a row.
Then we'd lose it, lose it for a little ways,
and then pick it up again a little further away.
So maybe it was running, maybe did run the whole way.

(41:02):
We don't really know. We don't really know, but we
were using fifty two inches on the track and stick
to find consecutive tracks. So when you compare that to
you know, like you know, one hundred or one hundred
and twenty inches, that's pretty nuts.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
That is wow. Just from what I'm hearing in the
research you've done after. It just shows you are unlocking
I think some really important things that we need to
think about in the future when we're looking for these.
I think we don't we haven't scratched the surface obviously,
and just what the capabilities of these I don't know.

(41:38):
I guess North American apes is what I would describe
a sasquatch as but that is amazing.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
I wish that we had a really terrible storm a
few weeks ago, and the further back I track this thing,
the more obscured the possible prints became, to the point
where under the trees there was there was like legit
like an inch or more of furboughs and whatnot from

(42:04):
the dug firs that in the area and whatnot, and
the leaf flitter was everywhere. Anyway, It's terrible. It's hard
track in this thing. And I'm not a good tracker,
so I mean, there's probably sign out there that I miss,
of course, But when you went back under the tree
canopy where this thing came from, it came from the
direction of the river, as near as I can figure,
at least the first track in the trackway was indicating

(42:24):
that if we didn't have that storm, I may have
been able to track it back even further. But the
ground was largely obscured under the furbows that had dropped. Unfortunately,
I wish that wasn't the case, but it is so.
But you know, one of those things.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
Did any fingers Some of those handprints.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
These handprints have yes and no, it was largely in
leaf litter, you know. So that's the problem, and a
lot of the research areas I've been working there is
a good layer of leaf litter. Unfortunately, those alder trees
drop all those big leaves, and sometimes you can see
the impressions in the leaf litter, and then you remove
the leaves and then like there's space under the leaves

(43:05):
and that it didn't impress into the ground as well.
So actually, I've been doing some experiments where I've been
casting on leaf litter sometimes and then I've been casting
after I remove the leaf litter to see if any
indentations happen in the ground. And I'm not sure which
way is any better at this point, because when you
pour plaster on top of leaf litter, there's cracks in
a leaf litter, and it fills in the space underneath,

(43:27):
and a lot of times it just ruins any sort
of definition that might be there. These particular casts, the
three handprints, one of them is awful. You can't make
heads or tails out of it. The other two are
kind of interesting. The right hand side, the right hand
literally the right hand when I poured it in, there
a lot of the plaster leaked through the leaf litter
and kind of made this big blob underneath, but you

(43:48):
can see hints of where the see indications of where
the fingers were above it. The other one was interesting
and it was much closer to the soil, so it's
actually a little bit better casts. But unfortunately, what happened
on that one is I poured it. I poured it
on top of I cleared off the loose leaf litter
and where I thought it was in contact with the ground,
I poured plaster on that and some did leak through.

(44:11):
But you know what happened. The plaster went into a
mole tunnel, you know, like the rod the moles, you know,
like it filled up a mole tunnel. So I have
like like a plaster can of this mole burrow underneath
where the handprint was.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
So it's a handle.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Yeah, you would think that like the pressure of the
hand would have crushed the moleborough, but it's just not
the case.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (44:37):
But that was also the hand that was further away
from like from where the animal was sitting presumably sitting,
So maybe that was just a touch on the ground
real fast and not a lot of pressure happened there.
I don't really know. But what's interesting is that that
cast has almost like a two story sort of thing,
like a two layer effect on it. The mole burrow
is one layer, and then on the other layer, like

(44:59):
closer to the surface, you can actually see the fingers.
So you can see fingers in that one, but you
don't get a good palm because the burrowing of the animal. Unfortunately,
the mole was underneath it. But got I believe that
the hands were about eight inches wide, so they were
right in there what we'd expect. I suspect, I don't know.

(45:20):
I suspect this is probably a male. I didn't you
know it's a fifteen inch print. I think most male
footprints are between fifteen and sixteen inches long. I think
the seventeens are rare or slide in and outs, or
that the you know, distortions of the impression itself. So
I think, based on the eyewitness description and the footprints,

(45:42):
that this thing was a male. But I could be wrong.
I don't know. I don't know much about these animals.
I just try to like to learn about them.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I think we're learning more though. You uncovered a lot
of history there that if you hadn't searched this find,
we wouldn't know well.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
And I so appreciate you bringing us to the location.
But whenever, and this is something for the researchers out there,
I guess, including you, because you're a researcher, Doug, that
when you go to a siding location with the witness,
do everything you can while you're there, but go back
later without the witness, and it's nothing weird. And I'm
not saying you're a pretty suspicious, shady guy, Doug. I'm

(46:21):
not saying that at all. I'm saying that sometimes, you know,
you learn what you can from the witness and then
go without them and learn what you can without the
witness there. Because we didn't backtrack it when you and
I were there together with the pro. We backtracked it
the next day when Keith and I went out there together.
And if you can, if you can find more information

(46:42):
without the presence of the witness, you can be fairly
sure that the witness knows nothing about it, you know.
And I don't doubt for a second that you saw
sasquatch because there were footprints everywhere, you know. I mean,
that's just one of those things, you know. But finding
stuff without the presence of the witness, without the witnesses
knowledge that that stuff is there, that adds an entirely

(47:04):
new layer of authenticity to the encounter. And so I
recommend every sasquatch investigator, Yeah, go there with the witness,
learn what you can, and then go there later without
the witness to see what you can figure out. I
went there twice without you. I've been to the site
three times now, coming back with casts every single time

(47:24):
because this is a wonderful opportunity to learn a little
bit about the local bigfoots in the neighborhood. Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll
be right back after these messages.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I'm so glad you've found those things, because you know,
when you have a siding and you know you had it,
but there's still that part of you like, Okay, was
my mind just running wild or something, you know, because
it just it kind of it's like you see yourself
in a different state, you know, when stuff like that happens,

(48:05):
and to have you go back and find even more,
it just it's just like, Wow, I'm just so glad
we told you because you're unlocking more information that we
need to know about these creatures and why it's so
imperative that we find it, so people just don't, you know,
render it harm as some seem to want to do.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
I think we're lucky to find anything. I mean, you
know how hard it rained up at Longview apparently did
the same thing down here. So the rain was just
dumping for two days basically, Peter, you know you saw
it on Thursday. We were there on Sunday, Saturday. It
was Friday and Saturday just dumped down here apparently, So
we're lucky to have found anything at all. Of Course,
the snow was all gone by the time we got there,

(48:49):
or more or less gone. We did find that one
print in the snow with the big toe and all
that jazz. But I think we're lucky to have found anything,
So thank you so much for reporting it so quickly
and letting us have the opper to get out there
before time. Erosion in the weather took care of all
the data that could have been gathered that we did
gather at the site.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Absolutely cool.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to go down here because I
live like twenty mins from these guys.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Yeah, Bobs, we're gonna definitely plan on maybe not this weekend,
but I think possibly the next weekend on a Saturday,
where we're going to try to get up there, so
we'll see if we can. We'll give you a heads
up on it and we'll plan. Todd's all ready to
take us in his truck and we'll head up and

(49:36):
see what we can find.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
Well, I know, I no, thanks for coming on board.
That's a cool story.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Now.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
I'm glad you got that setting, and I'm glad you
got Cliff involved and you got some casts and it's
like that's a productive setting.

Speaker 6 (49:48):
It came up with some results and part evidence.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Well, I'm just glad that we were I'm glad Todd
talked us into going earlier so that we had a
chance to do that. And it was really nice meeting
Matt Emily Pruitt too. They're definitely hardcore squatches, you know.
It's just nice to be in the community and get
to know the different ones. And like you had mentioned,

(50:13):
I know, we're wrapping this up, but I really appreciated,
you know, Mike Freeman's story and that that was amazing
just hearing the history of what he went through and
all the findings It's just just seems like we're getting
closer to helping people to realize this isn't just a fantasy,
it's reality.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
It's hard to imagine a squatch your weekend than the
one you experienced.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yeah, that's for sure, and I wanted to keep come
common though.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Well, actually it kind of has. On Friday, when I
was up there alone, you know, casting the hand Prince
and whatnot. On the way back up the car, I
got a call from a good friend of mine who
saw two sasquatches at the research location that I frequent. So, yeah,
my weekend didn't stop with your stuff. My weekend's been
going on for two weeks now and it's been crazy.

(51:04):
I actually hope somebody doesn't see a sasquatch this week
so I can have two days off in a row.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
That's great.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
Doug, thank you so much for coming on and sharing
your story with us and the listeners. We really really
do appreciate it. I can't tell you how thankful I
am that you shared your story with me that Friday
night at squatch Fest and allowing me to opportunity to
gather information on the local sasquatches that are sometimes probably
literally in my backyard. That really means a lot to me.
And as I get these casts cleaned off, I mean,

(51:32):
they're not pretty, but they're legit.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Man.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
There's some toes in these things. We have a little
bit of information about this animal and to my knowledge, well,
and let me say this, there apparently there have been
other footprint casts taken on the ridge before going through
the historic information this past week. Since you're siding, there's
whispers of other casts that were taken in the general area.

(51:55):
I have never seen one of them, so to me,
this sighting is very very special, not only because these
might be actually the bigfoots that are around my neighborhood,
but also this represents the first time we're taking a
look at some of these footprints of the animals there.
And this is this is ground zero. This is where
we start the interesting stuff. This isn't the question of

(52:19):
if bigfoots are real are of no interest to me.
I want to know how they live, and by tracking
them is the only way to do it. And this
is the first piece of data that I have in
my possession that I can use for future reference if
another trackway happens out there at lo Low Pass or something,
or by Lost Lake or one of these places, I
can say, Okay, is it the same animal that Doug

(52:41):
and the guys saw back in January of twenty four
and then I can compare the cast and that's where
the real interesting stuff starts happening. So I want to
thank you very much for helping me start my data
sets on that particular ridge.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Well, thank you Cliff, and thank you Bobo, and thank
you Matt. Just looking forward to doing a lot more
in the future.

Speaker 6 (53:02):
Awesome, all right, Doug.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Well, looking forward to getting out there and hoping your
good luck even having all these discoveries, I hope it
runs off of me when I go with you guys,
And yeah, folks, thanks for tuning in, and until next week,
everyone you know what to do.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
Keep it squatchy.

Speaker 5 (53:22):
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