CLASSICS: Banterin' With Bart Cutino!

In this "classic" episode from 2019, Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay chat with seasoned 'squatcher Bart Cutino! We recommend that you watch this Small Town Monsters documentary about Bart's thermal video.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
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Speaker 4 (00:18):
Range on Esday listening watching Lin always keep its watching.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
And now your host's Cliff Berrickman and James booble Fay.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Just a little background for some of the listeners out there.
If you don't know who Barktino is. He's a well
respected West Coast researcher. I met him in two thousand
and fourth the very first BFRO public expedition up in
the Humboldt Redwoods. He's been one of my best bros
ever since. We actually just were out last weekend together.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Bart has definitely put his time in in the field.
He has gone through a couple of thermal imagers at
this point. I always give him credit as having that
thing to his eye more than any other human I've
ever seen.

Speaker 4 (01:04):
In my life.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's probably filmed one of these things. Based on his
recreations and analysis at the site. It's very difficult to
find out what else it could be if it wasn't
a big foot.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
And this is up at the Sierra location, I believe
if I remember right.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yeah, Bart actually probably has the best documented follow up
of any big foot footage ever gotten.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, he put the time in, you know, and which
is important because most pieces of footage, I mean, they're
not the Patterson Gimlin film. You know, you can't see that.
And Bart's is a thermal video at one hundred and
five yards. Yeah, yeah, so that's a long ways away,
so you can't tell what it is without the follow up,
without the measurements, without the boots on the ground doing
the work, there would be nothing to say about that video.

(01:47):
But Bart and his group, you know, put in the
time and did the work and came across some interesting
discoveries in his own footage.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
That night was crazy and remember two, we're seeing it
as you guys know for todaybody, but you know you're
seeing it as a better resolution live than what it's
what it's the inboarding and how it's recording, and it
was just yeah, it was surreal that night.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
But I could have done an investigation with that I had.
I had a lot of help.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I had a dozen people with the half some law enforcement.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
We put what you know, our brother lighterman.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Ranger lighterman, but you know, took that over which was perfect.
And then you know who did a really great job
in presenting it was still pulling. Who's a skeptic, and
that's why I kind of hand picked him and I,
you know, just just give him everything I've got. I
trust this guy to to just tell the story as it.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Is, and in seventeen minutes, I mean he did. He
did a hell of the job.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Bart's got that interesting thermal video that you know isn't
the best quality, but the fallow up was the best
ever done on you know, a big foot footage. But
what's even there's more backstory on that is where the
footage was taken.

Speaker 6 (02:53):
Tell them about that part.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
You know, everyone had heard about the Sierra Hills situation
with Justin Smaya and a friend.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
There was actually two individuals.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
And we actually, I mean I got put on that.
That was bo you came with me. That was the
first time up in I think with twenty ten we
went to the kill site. We had never you know,
on that side of California, and we were like Jesus,
why we've been missing the boat, Like how do we've
not been here before?

Speaker 7 (03:19):
The whole Sierras site, that whole area.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
When we hit that in twenty ten with Meldrmachinsky and
this thing thing.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
I mean, that was never on.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
My radar to research. So I look back now and
it blows me away how it all went down.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Really, the impetus to that was two weeks prior to.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Going, so this would have been you know, I think
it was twenty fifth is when I filmed them, So
it was about August tenth, eleventh or whatever. Actually, Bo,
you were with me in Monterey, if you remember, and
Roe gave us the call. Justin gave us the call.

Speaker 7 (03:49):
I'd just written the polygraph for Justin Rose. They just
did the.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Polygraph, he passed it, and then Justin actually took them
to that sierra site and they they didn't really they
weren't even there really to be big potting whatever.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
I think they banged on trees, screamed a.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Little bit, did nothing, you know, nothing was going on
and they weren't attempting to do anything, and they were
just ended up just staying the night there. I think
it was gonna be a day trip. And they had
like Naudio with them. There was a few it's about
six people total. Sean was there, Justin, another guy, Carl
and of course Roe and anyway, so I heard that

(04:26):
at about three in the morning with half of them asleep,
I think more than half. It was just Justin and
someone Carl awake, and Justin described it as it sounded
like Jurassic Park, like the stomping and the trees, and
so they had a significant It woke everybody up. There
was a fipe heads that ran away, was all in
the southwest side of camp. It was just totally unexpected.

(04:47):
I didn't even know to believe it. I mean, it's
been remember Bo being with me. It was just shaking
our head. So a couple of weeks go by and
we had a funeral in our business family and Vycelia.

Speaker 7 (04:59):
I told my wife if I said.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
You know, I think I might just you know, go
to the funeral and then mosey up to this year.

Speaker 7 (05:04):
She's like, bull shit, you are you know? It was funny.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
We kind of thought about that, but I kind of
went out on that one, thank god, and we went
up and just put a quick trip together. So basically
it was a day and a half, I mean thrown together.

Speaker 7 (05:18):
Rowe and Todd came up.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
They had just met, I think they had been together
just you know, I just recently. They're just from both
from SoCal. I had Michael Lorenz there with me and
it was a great caster. And then Sean was coming up.
This was gonna be like his second night in the woods. Well,
the first night I got up there at night, it
was just me and Justin and I remember it was
just being a weird night, you know, you just kind

(05:41):
of have a little.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
Bit of a vibe, if you will. A lot of
deer were around. I remember me and him.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
We stayed up to like five thirty that night. I
was playing guitar, and you know, we ended up crashing
and got up early the next morning. Then the guys
just started popping up as they went. I don't even
think Sean got up there and like ten pm or so,
and we had nothing happened. Of course, I was doing
all the in skinning with the called knocks, everything just indiscriminately,

(06:09):
you know, and.

Speaker 7 (06:11):
Had nothing happened.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
And I remember that there were multiple deer herds converged
throughout the meadow. I would say within a two mile radius,
there must.

Speaker 7 (06:23):
Have been five six herds converged.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I saw probably eighty to ninety deer, the most I've
ever seen in any situation. I mean, we were right
on top of them, or they were right on top
of us, I should say, but they were everywhere.

Speaker 7 (06:35):
And that's what was different about that night. So anyways,
I remember about midnight, I'm starting.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
To just get ready to conk out, like it's you know,
I barely slept the night before, nothing's going on.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
I got to be back early in the morning.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I didn't even have my laptop because it was being
repaired at the time. So that's how quick and thrown together.
This all was so about midnight. I remember Sean actually
a little bit later the midnight, but I'm thinking about it.
Sean came walking up to me and he's still awake.
The guys are starting to conk out, and I just
finally looked at him and I said, all right, Sean,
I said, let's go break your fear of the dark,

(07:08):
you know, the second hind in the woods. Let's go
for a long you know, go for like a two
mile hike together.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
So we go.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
We were gonna kind of I was going to have
him do some calls off the eastern vista, and he did.

Speaker 7 (07:18):
He did him perfectly, and.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
We didn't know it at the time, and It's funny
looking back in hindsight, the squatches were already had to
already be where they were positioned. I mean, there was
no so they saw they saw this. Why what the
hell are these guys doing right? And it was literally
after he did those calls, we round the band and
looked back towards back down towards camp, and I just

(07:42):
I just happened to stop, and I said, you know,
I'm just.

Speaker 7 (07:44):
Check the vantage point. We were gonna we were gonna
walk the road and go like.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Three miles, you know, and come back. And I look
and I had, you know, my outter recorder going.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
And I'm looking down and I'm seeing what looks like
five heads, and I'm thinking, okay, I've got.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Two guys asleep on there, my two strongest guys that
have been you know, from experience standpoint in Justin and
Michael you know Todd the Olympic project. Now, but I said,
that was like his second night in the woods row,
same thing. So I'm going, wait a minute, and I'm
seeing by peel movement going back and forth, and that's not.

Speaker 7 (08:15):
Really I don't really.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Know the you know, I don't know the topography that
well because I'd only been there, you know, a couple
of days. You know, I'd walked through it, but you
know which tree gaps are which or whatever. But it
looked like it was from the side of camp. And
I'm just filming already, and I'm just whispering to Sean.
I go, Sean, if those aren't the guys, those are squatches,
because I see they're clearly they're bipeds, and so we're

(08:40):
just filming. I I said, hold on to my I said,
you hold one of my ways. You breathe when I breathe,
I need you, like and you know he was. He
was scared because imagine his shues. This guy is a
you know, he's got a big bigfoot blog.

Speaker 7 (08:54):
He's not an outdoors guy. That's the second night in
the woods.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
He they couldn't even believe something like this could could happen.
But he's pulling on of my ways, shaking at first,
you know, and he can't see what I'm seeing. I'm
just describing to him what I'm seeing. And anyway, so
these things they're walking back and forth.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
I made the decision.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Pretty quickly, Like, you know, I've got a bunch of
like empty footages where I'm trying to go right, trying
to go left, trying to see them in any other gap.
It was the only window I had them in, and remarkably,
they would disappear like sometimes two three minutes at a time.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
So you didn't know is that it?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
I mean, is that so there's still For a little bit,
there was a question in my mind it could it
be the guys, you know, could it be where I'm
I know them, like more than.

Speaker 7 (09:34):
One hundred yards away.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
But then as I start seeing them walk back and forth,
I start watching the behavior through the gap, and I'm like,
oh shit, oh shit, this is and it just and psychologically,
you know, I was ready, and I knew. I knew
the team I had. I knew with the personnel, the
lack of equipment, everything else, what the call was.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
I run towards those things.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I'm flushing them out like they're gone. You know, They're
not not flushing them out for us to see. I'm
flushing them away. Plus not mentioned how the shaky footage
on that and flipping on a light. You know, I
made that decision right away, and I would do it again.
Get as much footage as possible and answer all the
questions later, and I'm glad I did, because we got

(10:13):
some good shots stepping through the gap. I remember at
one point we walked back with Sean actually because I
had I didn't have the lithiums in.

Speaker 7 (10:21):
That unit yet.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
We didn't know we can use those yet. So I
had batteries dying, like within two three hours, and I
had two sets on me, and so we wore those out.
I had to go back to camp. Could not get them.

Speaker 7 (10:31):
In any other window in the trees.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
And to be fair, I go back to camp.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
You hear the audio, you know, talking with the guys,
and I'm just like, did you And they were seeing
dark silhouettes filled the tree gaps, you know, half asleep,
Row and Todd and so they were just mesmerized. They
couldn't believe it. They didn't hear anything, but they wet.
They were seeing things and looking up. So when I'm
down there in the camp, I'm kind of trying to
get them, you know, nonchalant, right, you know, kind of

(10:56):
whisper into them, and I'm kind of looking up. And
to be fair, looking back now, I never would have
thought they were as close as they were.

Speaker 7 (11:04):
I didn't know until we did the.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Investigation so I think I was looking past them the
whole time, but I could not see them from the
bottom and remarkably, so we loaded back up on batteries.
I must have been in a camp twenty five thirty minutes,
like a long time, and.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Sean said said, let's go back. We will try to reposition.
You never know, they'll come back. Maybe they're still there,
we don't know. So we got back in.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Position and sure enough, there they are. And one of
the coolest things was remarkable. I'll never forget because what
it looked like was seeing through the therm versus you know,
the onboarding recording. There was like a flash of light
and it looked and I just remember telling Sean one
of them did something because I could.

Speaker 7 (11:44):
I didn't know what to say. And it turned out
that that was a rock that.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Was thrown that we didn't know until we had gone
back and down the investigation of the rock that ricochets
and bounces off the wood, so the tree, that's the
only thing they heard. So we got some more like,
you know, really cool stuff, just unfortunately from a distance
and the quality is not great.

Speaker 7 (12:03):
It's three twenty two forty. So eventually, eventually they were gone.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
And I didn't want to add there was a seven
footer that was there that was stationary, a seven.

Speaker 7 (12:12):
Foot keyt object that was there twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Feet above we went back. Of course we knew all
this from doing the investigation, but that subject was there
most of the time while there was at least two
others that were six three sixty four moving through the gap.
It was insane, uh And it makes you wonder, you know,
hearing back from the guys. I didn't know this, but
while I was up there filming the squatches, three deer

(12:37):
Mealy Deer's had come and just loaded in camp and
basically just sat next to the guys like sure, sign
of predators, you know, around and then you wonder what
the rocks, you know.

Speaker 7 (12:45):
There's a lot of speculation.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
But anyways, I finally called it.

Speaker 7 (12:49):
It was about three thirty in.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
The morning, and I mean we just did nothing.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Left they had they've been I had.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Seen them for like forty five minutes or so, and
then I made the call. I told everyone, guys for
ten we're going to sleep. And I really thought in
the end I was going to catch three or four
five heads descending to the side of that hillside From
my vehicle and.

Speaker 7 (13:09):
It just never happened.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
We found out later doing the investigation they'd already accident.

Speaker 7 (13:13):
Even see one of them exit north, it looks like
this was like a bipedal person.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Is walking north behind Todd and Rod gone quietly through
the grass.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
And I woke up.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
I had the thermal wrapped around my neck.

Speaker 7 (13:25):
I slept two hours.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
I remember justin you know, he had slept through the
whole thing, but kind of knew kind of what was
going on.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
He said, yeah, you know, he was like, what do
you think?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Say I, guys, we're bullshitting and you know, brought you
here and now Squatcha showed up. You know, he just
wasn't really like surprised, but he was, you know, pretty
excited for me.

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Speaker 1 (15:44):
And I remember we drove back and the hardest part
was not being able.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
To review the footage. And it felt so.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Until I got back tomorrow, six hour six and a
half hour drive by the time you do your stops,
and that was so difficult because I felt so naked,
because that feel like everything's got to be just investigated
properly due diligence.

Speaker 7 (16:03):
I just had nothing with me, and that's when we
had to.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Once I got.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Back saw the footage, I sent it to Kirk Brandenburg
Burst He was the first.

Speaker 7 (16:10):
One to review it, and then I did with them,
and then we went back. Three weeks later. I put
a team together.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I was going back with the Bumping Lake where you know,
I saw mine O seven expedition and Robert Leiderman and
I we look forward to that trip every year, going
hitting the Walla River, all these wonderful places, or again
going back and forth the road trip and we had
to cancel it and I called everyone back to the side,
hopefully to get more footage, but mainly we.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
Had to do an investigation. So and that investigation lasted I.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Believe about ten days, and I had about a dozen guys,
give or take two or three a day, about half
of law enforcement.

Speaker 7 (16:46):
So yeah, Lighterman took the lead on that and passed
it right to him.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
He's got a vested interest because just like you guys,
we're all kind of tied at the.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Hip through our history.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
And if he was him to want to know what
the truth is, and I knew he'd get down to it,
he would test it to death. And that's exactly what
we did, you know, and try to set an example
for the field moving forward, because as let's be honest,
you guys know, the footage is a C C minus
in quality distant thermal have People don't really understand what
they're looking at it. When you put it all in
the proper context with the investigation, you go, oh, Okay,

(17:18):
they're six and a half and seven feet tall, and
it's we're at seventy one hundred feet and they're naked,
you know, and they're not really moving like people, you know.
So yeah, Field pulling again. He was instrumental investigation. As
you know, he put together a seventeen minute documentary. I wanted,
who's the best guy that does that?

Speaker 7 (17:35):
And he's a skeptic. I had nothing to hide, so
I just came him ever in their.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Ass and you know, the investigation, I think.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
I think backs up what they are. I fully believe
that those were sasquatches because the.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Alternative would have to be three unknown subjects on the
highest end of the human high scale at seventy one
hundred feet fifty eight percent waxing moon loading between one
thirty and three in the morning at our campsite, you know,
and no.

Speaker 7 (18:00):
Way of getting up there.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
So it's, uh, you know, that's really the only.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
Alternative we have here.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
So there wasn't he no, No Lighterman came for the investigation.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
Because Lighterman and I were.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Scheduled to go to I had an expedition backup bumped
where I had my sighting in was seven and we
had to cancel that and because this happened, and then
get you know, I had to get a team over
with me there to do the whole investigation.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
And when I say lighterman, that's ranger Robert let him
with the California State Parks. He's actual law enforcement. He's
got investigation skills.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, he's been a primary partners you guys know, with
you too. I mean he's been He's just an incredible asset.
Taught me a ton and very objective and you know,
he was the perfect guy to do the.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Investigation for that.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
He said, as you guys have said, the footage itself,
it's a C minus footage until it's put into perspective
and then you see, you know, my guys with their
clothes on. You know, I used Kip as the bottle.
Kip Moral is one of my best friends who's six
called six'. Two and the subjects, were you, know the
main there's two subjects going back and forth that were

(19:07):
in the six three six four. Range you, KNOW i
had a bunch of midgets with me that. NIGHT i
was the tallest guy at six FOOT i was on the.
Camera so it was just the whole thing was, crazy totally.
Unexpected BUT i will say, THIS i, learned like watch
the vantage. Points where's the vantage points over? Camp the human,
activity you, know the darkest, area the area where you

(19:29):
can go in and you can watch and. Listen you,
know no one would go to better you know how
many of us are running out there with thermal.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
Images it throws a rock, too, Right.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah at one, point you know this was so crazy
about this whole thing IS i had a couple of
guys in, camp two of them sleeping and two other
ones that were was Rowing. Todd you Know, todd he's
he's become a veteran a little bit of the woods,
now but at that, time it was like his second night.
Out and you, know the first thing that went through my, mind,
obviously When i'm looking from my th at this point

(20:00):
And i'm kill.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Me is, oh it's one of the.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Guys AND i even Tell sean in the, Audio i'm,
like if that's not one of the, guys those are.
Squatches and you KNOW i knew from watching even more
BEFORE i even got down to talk to.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Him but it's all.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Recorded the Good the good thing IS i had the
audio ringing on my head the whole. Time you kind
of feel like you're, there you, know used in Poor,
sean it was like his second night in the, woods
and he was holding out my wings the whole, time
And i'm just telling a whistling off like you're gonna
you're gonna kneel with, me breathe with, me but change my,
battery you know WHAT i. Mean it just we're, together you.
Know and and then he toughened up as that night went.

(20:37):
ON i, mean that was the thing lasted like an
hour and a half AND i had no weather dvantage.
POINT i tried every which way to get a different,
window AND i just had that one window from one hundred.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
And five BETWEEN v shaped.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Trees and then you see in the footage it looks
like a Dark, uh it just looks like a dark
like a dark.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Tree but what it is is it's.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Nighttime there's no the heat doesn't hit that part of the,
tree so that's.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
The coldest thing in.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
View so it almost looks like that's the gap when
you're watching, it but it's. Not that's the back of the.
Tree you, know a lot of this stuff we didn't
know until we went back to three weeks later and
we're able to recreate the whole. THING i wasn't familiar
enough with the site to know the. DISTANCE i didn't.
KNOW i, mean for all the, LIGHT i knew those
things were eight feet. Tall WELL i knew there were five.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Five, yeah your footage of the CIA's you actually got some,
documentation but you've got a much better thermal observation of
The sasquatch several years before.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
That, yeah that was the inspiring one in.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Bumping Lake, Washington Oh seven in the. Summer as a
matter of, FACT i go back every year and spearhead
and expedition with the Whole washington. Crew it's not my
favorite place to.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
BE i love the people That i'm, with BUT i
only go back there because of what. Happened and you,
Know i'd be stupid not. TO i was laughing about
this because like the first TIME i ever put a
thermal limited in that bumping And i've done it how
many hours? Since hundreds of hours SINCE i saw, one
and THEN i never saw. WHAT i haven't seen one since,
there you. Know, Yeah, Cliff so if you, remember it,

(22:06):
WAS i think it was about midnight or, so and
you were you were kind of rearranging stuff in your.
Truck everybody was, together you, Know Paul gray's, ton they
were all playing.

Speaker 7 (22:18):
Guitar AND i asked, YOU i, SAID, i you, know
we go take the you, know take the therm for a.
Walk and ACTUALLY i take that.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Back how that started WAS i actually walked back on
that small trail pathway with pitch black back. There you
guys remember that, night AND i felt something just kind
of a, presence kind of somewhat close to, me AND
i heard a step branch. Break didn't think a lot of,
it you, know walked back and that's WHEN i. Tuck he, said,
hey if you got THE x two, hundred i'll you,
know poke around with. It AND i mean it wasn't.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
More than, god it was probably thirty.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Seconds to a.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Minute THEN i see something bright right down the trail
from WHERE i came. From, uh probably about nast sixty
yards at first fifty five the arts and then at
FIRST i, THOUGHT i remember the girls were. THERE i
thought it was Either christine Or, tracy and you, know
one of them was trying to relieve themselves behind the
behind a tree because you only see ten percent of
it at. First, SEE i just liked the knees and

(23:12):
then the head poking, out and then it was doing
that kind of right and left looking at, me which looked.
Suspicious but it's still my thoughts are, person you, know
especially because we were there with quite a few, people
and until it stepped, out and THEN i could see
the whole left side all the way, DOWN i mean
down down to the caps and then you, know basically drop.

(23:33):
Down SOON i saw it step. OUT i mean you
it's very. Clear you know that's not a it's not
a person from that.

Speaker 7 (23:39):
Distance and then God on got.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
On the ground and then not on all, fours but
on their had like knees, down arms extended and kind
of just doing this kind of like a head rotation,
thing like trying to lock in on. Me but it
looked like it couldn't really lock in on, me but
it was trying, to which was really.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
Curious and then there was.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Just a bunch of fast transitioning on the. GROUND i
saw a, lot BUT i guarantee you there's a LOT i.
Missed but it actually made at one point like a
digging type motion with the stomach perpendicular to the. Ground
it was just a weird kind of thing to see
at one.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
Point this is ACTUALLY i think in.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
The beginning of, IT i had stamped my fingers trying
to get your, Attention.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
Cliff you couldn't hear.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Me you were putting stuff away And i'm stamping my,
fingers going, colors and every TIME i did, that it
was just it was unbelievable to see this thing was
like reacting like almost you, know, frightened like a small,
dog like you, know just a lot of like just unnerved,
movements and then it would, pause freeze in between me doing,

(24:38):
that as if it was scaring.

Speaker 7 (24:40):
It and you got to, remember they were all down, there.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Right you, know right on my, left just totally, oblivious
and there's all that sound coming from. There but for some,
reason you, know it was focused dead on. Me and
then at some point it had rolled to the side
and put this hand up and you, know you see
all fi digits on that splight.

Speaker 7 (25:01):
Hand it was.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Unbelievable so if you'll get back to. It but it
took me years later to figure out what it was doing.
That it made no sense to me because as you guys,
know the therm picks.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
UP i, are it doesn't give up OFF I r.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right so, anyways it actually got back up AND i
saw it like, push you, know push itself, up got
back down, again and then just like GOTTA i don't
even know if it pushed itself up the second THAT
i only. DID i, mean just, effortless the transitioning on
the ground using body. Leverage but the last you, know
the watching it and seeing it's back to Me Calves.

(25:37):
NORTH i could see everything in the. CLEAR i mean
it was literally.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
Utopian and you just see the whole profile.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Of the back you, know it had kind of maybe
sunk in a little, bit a.

Speaker 7 (25:46):
Little smaller head THAN i would have, thought but it maybe.
BIGGER i just couldn't tell from my.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Positioning but the shoulders, massive exactly what we would expect right,
off you, know no visible neck two thirds of the.

Speaker 7 (25:59):
Way the upper, extremities long.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Arms big, hands, legs you, know, yeah kind of muscular.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Whatever that's kind of the.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Profile but it just looked it was very top.

Speaker 7 (26:11):
Heavy, comparatively you.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Know And i'll never, forget you, know taking that image
off my was the hardest thing had to. Do and
you Remember cliff full well because you recorded it with
that all the. Time but having to put THOSE xt
two hundred XP's on a bicycle helmet with the viewers
and hold the pull the backpack in front of you
with a marine battery and the proprietary cord and, that you,
guys it's a. Nightmare AND i actually took the ima

(26:34):
DRAFT i. Ran that's WHEN i ran back to. YOU
i JUST i just remember cassing at, You, cliff just you,
know and you you reacted.

Speaker 7 (26:41):
Immediately it was the Quickest i'd ever. Seen in five,
minutes you had all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
On or, less and we're running back, there AND i
remember everyone was coming up people the other head lamps,
on kind of looking down the path.

Speaker 7 (26:53):
And trying to get everybody just. Back you, know it's
not their. Fault they didn't know what was going, on you.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Know they show all the commotion And i'm trying to
explain to, them and in the, meantime you're back, Their,
cliff and then when you came, back you're shaking your,
head AND i just kind of, knew and you, KNOW i.

Speaker 7 (27:07):
Did feel like that thing was it was just waving.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Me, out you, know like what a stealthy son of
a bitch not give away your. Position i'm not flashing
a light on, it so TECHNICALLY i shouldn't be able
to see, it you.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
Know and AS i said, that we pick UP I
r with our, thermal we don't give it. Off SO
i think it KNEW i was.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
There it was confused IF i could see it or,
not and it was just it was just amazing to
see how this, thing you, know would react under WHAT
i guess would be stressed for.

Speaker 7 (27:36):
It When Paul grays went back there about what.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
A half hour, LATER i think it, was there were
that ninety four and a beanie and about six three one,
seventy you, know AND i see and that was the
that was like the second realization because THEN i realized
from that distance the, size you, know it's with the depth,
perception especially with those, units it wasn't always easy and
get more, distant and just Seeing paul with all his

(28:04):
winter clothes on and the feenie and, everything it was,
just oh my, god because you could, see even with
THE x two, hundred you could see.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
The hair patches on this.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Thing AND i found, out you, know years, later going
back every year of just about it ended up being
about thirty two yards as close AS i crept up
to by the TIME i had taken that therm off my.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
Eye so so at least from that, experience you, KNOW
i know, WHAT i know what we're looking.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
FOR i know what the money shot looks, like and
it's going to look even better with you, know the
better technology we have, now so but that really was
that incident really set up the mindset of HOW i
researched and going into the sierra looking for the vantage
point cliff as you like to, say where's the sniper

(28:50):
going to? Be that's exactly easily the biggest trees in.
Play these kind of things always stuck with me and
just hammer the vantage points and pay attention when no
one else, is you, know comes inherent when you have
an experience like.

Speaker 7 (29:02):
That so it was life.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
Changing did it move in some ways that no human could?

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Move the way like you, said it looked like it
was levitating at certain points right the way it hell
It's torso it.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Was the way that it shifted, weight like how it looks.
Structurally the upper, EXTREMITIES i would say it was two
thirds of the, weight no. Doubt long, arms the shoulders
were exactly what you know we've seen and know they,
are you, know just right off the.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Head the head was more rounder THAN i would have,
guessed but.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
It could have been sunk in a little bit BECAUSE
i never saw it face on FROM i saw it
from the back and then from the left side, completely
but never never never had ON i, mean the thing just,
LITERALLY i mean just frozen like a.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Statue But i'm just looking at. It it's. Glowing and
that's WHY.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
I always, say you, know with that in The, sierras
everything That i've, seen as crazy as it, is it.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Makes sense to. Me we are where we are.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Between human beings when that's goes, down and the way
these things move and just how it's the, shy retiring,
nature but the, MANEUVERABILITY i, mean just the way they.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
MOVE i think you.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Even said at one Time cliff OR i don't know
what goes from a witness or, you but about moving
like a, spider there's.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Just this Unique it's like you know it when you see.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
It stay tuned for More bigfoot And beyond With cliff
And bobo will be right back after these.

Speaker 6 (30:27):
Messages how big did you think it?

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Was give us some dimensions and guesstimates on weight and
all height and all.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
That you KNOW i knew because you know you guys know,
too like with the depth.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Perception especially, initially we are still you, KNOW i don't
want to say. RAW i mean we still use thermals a,
lot but not like.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Now you, know we have a little bit ter judge of,
things But Paul graves was really the that was the,
model BECAUSE i know he's six three one.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Seventy you, know he's got all the winter clothing.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
On AND i think the big realization of knowing you,
KNOW i knew one hundred and ten percent what it,
was But i'm seeing the realization where it was LIKE
i started physically feeling it was after seeing him and
realizing the actual size of the, subject the dimensions of the,
subject and the like.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
The agileness of the. Subject it was like and And,
PAUL i mean you can see all's, Clothing.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
BEANIE i mean this was BECAUSE i got as close
as thirty two, yards you, know going, BACK i think
it was thirty two thirty three.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yards, yeah it was real. Close by, god it's, yeah
BECAUSE i.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Was kind of slowly creeping up AND i actually, passed you,
know that little walkway that was up from where you guys.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
WERE i actually pat like crept up enough to pass,
that you, know just getting a better, look better, look better.
Look but, GOD i JUST i do for one more.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
OPPORTUNITY i would say the sun and probably just under
seven seven foot AND i would, say, wait, wise so
the weight distribution probably in the neighborhood between not a good,
way but four fifty to five seventy five with two
thirds upstairs above above the. Waist it was a it
was an, impressive, uh impressive.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Specimen and but, YEAH i would Say tadener six eight
sixty nine call. It.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah shortly afterwards that didn't you do a couple of
recreation drawings of what you?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Saw?

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yes and that was that was your, idea Mister. Berrickman we, had,
uh we had a great trip. BACK i don't you.
REMEMBER i mean it was one of the Great i'll
never forget that trip of our, life like driving back
you AND i back In, Washington oregon and dropped me
off With shed and chafter with my, Wife Kim stamley's
girlfriend at the. Time So i'll never forget. Too you
looked over you go you know what you Should you told,
me you, go you should draw, it like you should just,

(32:48):
draw you, know just get just the different positions and
the different like, yeah you, know you're. Right and so
WHAT i did is just kind OF i got a
photo of the, area did wide, out so it's like
a thermal impressionist you and Then i'm in the subject
just like kind of what it was looking like from my.
Perspective and THEN i had at one Point canadian. ARTIST
i Loved Brian. KUNDLE i love his work AND i

(33:10):
just wanted him to make a commemorative piece, fore you,
know just for my personal my, house and he made this, big,
beautiful you know. PORTRAIT i mean it's he pretty much nailed.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
It it's pretty.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
CLOSE i remember two of the. DRAWINGS i remember, too
of the positions that you put the thing.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
In were there? Ever were there any more or were
there only?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Two plus the really nice artistic commemorative, one you know WHAT.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I did like eight or nine, actually, yeah they're on
the uh on the a bf ro on THAT i
put a, MAP i put you, know all the. RECREATIONS
i mean just you, know as much AS i, could
and they're all. There but there's a couple of better than.
OTHERS i gud took a little more time on, it but.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
It gives you the idea of what it looked like
from my. Perspective you, know you give me a lot
of good. Suggestions that was one of the.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
BEST i appreciate, that And i'm, Glad, yeah we you
know did, that and, YEAH i mean it's something that
loveses me to this day and inspires me because it's,
LIKE i.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Know what the money shot looks. LIKE i know it's.
ATTAINABLE i know we can get, it you.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Know and it's one of those things too THAT i,
wish you, Know i've been a lot of big, footers you,
know like you guys and awesome, people but it's one
of those things that it's, like.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
It's got to be. Boring it's got to be you
know in a.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Way it's you've got to be just tenacious and just
keep you, know just just keep at.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
It you. Know it's you can't be.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Reactive IF i would have been reactive in either, INSTANCE
i don't even know, this you know WHAT i. Mean
it's like you've got to especially if you have THERMAL i,
mean you've got to use, it you, know and try
to separate yourself a little, bit you, know and to your.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
ADVANTAGE i would say as far as thermal imaging and
all that, stuff you're a good model for most. People
you have a superpower in your. Hand you have something
magic in your, hand and you can it can allows
you to see in the, dark and they're not put
it up to their eye that that thing should live
on your. Eyeball it's a big, foot isn't going to
step out and let itself be, known and then you

(35:04):
can raise the therm or the camera and then go
ahead and shoot a picture of it or where it's
just not going to happen like, that almost almost for.
Sure but what you're most likely going to see is
like what you, saw the thing hiding from you off
in the dark in the, distance and, you're, oh what is?

Speaker 4 (35:17):
THAT i better check this.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Out you spend a few minutes figuring it, out and
you got lucky it stepped out for beyond the. Tree
but that's the. Thing you got to look through these.
Things they don't do any good in your. Hand if
you don't.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Come back with a splitting headache and you're half, blind
you didn't do it, right.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Right, right no matter what you're Doingpo.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
Yeah, YEAH i was surprised we didn't get footage that
night because that was not the end of the squatch
action that, Night, IMBER i don't take a, Dump like
about half hour to this all, happened AND i went
out real close to where that thing, was AND i
had my head lamp in my hand and shovel in
a little toilet paper AND i dug my hole And
i'm squatting. Down i'm just in the middle of a.

(36:00):
Business the thing starts running at me in the. DARK
i was so, mad like just LIKE i just, Yelled i'm, like, god,
Damn i'm trying to take a crap, here and it just.
Stopped had the weigh at least three hundred and fifty pounds,
MINIMUM i, mean it Was it wasn't, like it wasn't
so like an, elephant but it sounded big and it ran.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Fast AND i didn't hear him around the tent though
right that.

Speaker 7 (36:22):
Night, yeah well That i'm, LIKE i could hear them
through the.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Tent like it was that, well and you hear you,
steps And i'll never.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Forget i'll never forget this point where this thing that
it was started jumping rain and the tent. Flap you,
know it spilled over with water and it made, like you,
know we're farting type points, right and it scared the
one right outside the tent because you just share a
and step and you, know it just felt like the ground.
Shut AND i was right there inside the tent just,

(36:50):
going oh my.

Speaker 5 (36:53):
God, yeah We're me And Jamie jaett were camping in
his tent next to you with his little baby nine months, Old,
cooper And Cooper loop was. Crying when he started, crying
those things came right into the camp and they were
right outside our, tents and we could hear the. Footfalls
we actually heard some of the grumbling. Mumbling couldn't make
any words.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Out it was just.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
You know that kind of. Stuff, definitely it was like
you could hear.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
It.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
Yeah, yeah there was two of, them two of them
more in the.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Camp that's WHAT i felt like to, YOU i felt
LIKE i FELT i could hear two of them in the.
Camp And cliff had the two fifty D he had it.
Perfectly He cliff had it like. Parallel it was right
to the, site like right facing down the same pathway
from WHERE i saw it. Earlier it's just in, that you,
know at that, time we had limited battery life and
the thing never, breached you, know just didn't happen to.

(37:42):
Breach BUT i kept, thinking, oh we got.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
It, okay this is going to justify EVERYTHING i. Saw
it's in the. Bag you, Know it's, like, no it's.
Not you, know it ain't that.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Easy so, yeah what A i many.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Our situation has changed so much and these years because
back then it was A i, mean we had thermal,
imaguers which is cutting hedge, technology but they were our
chick you, know like like crappy recording situations you couldn't.
Hand it was a different situation back. Then had we
what we have, now it would be we would have
a lot more to show for.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
It, well the first time we got used to THAT
xp two hundred was When wally came up With MONEYMAKER
i think two thousand and five and or two thousand and, Six,
yeah two thousand and, six and they drove up like
sixteen seventeen hours to a huge storm And matt was
so tired from driving all the way up he was
just going to pass. Out and he gave us a

(38:39):
thermal but he, goes it's too complicated to hook. Up i'm, like,
well all, right we'll just go the first PLACE i
wanted to.

Speaker 6 (38:46):
Go, well we stopped in a few. SPOTS i, GO
i really want to go this one.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Spot part we go, THERE i look off the bridge
And i'm, there there's a giant one standing down at
this boat pull. Out it's a boat launched and polatter
on The Smith river outside Of crescent city and there
there's the when the there's a big steelhead run going
on and the boats pull out there and they clean
the fish and they just dumped the cats on the

(39:10):
on the river, bank and that's where this thing was.

Speaker 6 (39:12):
Standing and that was that was that's another lost.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
OPPORTUNITY i, mean with the thermals we have, nowadays we
would have GREAT i mean that thing was BECAUSE i
went back and compared to people later, on it was
about nine foot tall and three and a half feet
across the shoulders at.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
LEAST i, mean AND i mean you.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Remember when was that, Hill like nobody business right up
that hill?

Speaker 5 (39:34):
Gone, well there was a, yeah there was like a
stairway that's real steep that goes up one.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
Side and there's also if you.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
Go to the other end of the river bar there's
a real steep place of towboats in it. Out it
didn't go it didn't go up the walkway or the.
Driveway it went up the.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Cliff that's exactly what it.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Did that's that's why NOW i look back And i'm, like,
yeah that's.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Probably that probably was. One, YEAH i mean what else
could it have? BEEN i mean it was an.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Upright, YEAH i kind of an upright shape, too because
it was you, know it was distant enough that you,
know you can't make out, arms, legs but you can
see that it's, not you, know a. Quadruped it didn't
look like, you but you know it.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Was it looked up, right you, know going and especially
now we have more experience looking. BACK i mean that
was we had used the, thermals but that was the first.
NIGHT i, mean you AND i we were like two
kids in the candy. STORE i, MEAN i think we got.
Back we said those things like eight nine hours on the.
Top it was just, like this is. Heaven this is our.
Dream now.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Stay tuned for More bigfoot and beyond With cliff And.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Bogo we'll be right. Back after these, messages.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
People always, say where's the? Footage And i'm, like trust,
me it's very. Iv we have to say we don't
have it because we could have had it a few.
Times and you, know those those opportunities are going to
rise if not for us and somebody else that has
the better.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
Equipment, nowadays they.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Keep show it, up you.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Know and the.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Equipment, now if you get one of those Those FLEER tk,
scouts you know they're not great, resolution but they cost
five hundred.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Bucks.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
OH i, mean anybody you know with saving up a little,
money if you, know being their, expenses of course came
pick up one of those and bring it to the.
Woods and that's the key. Man the more technology and
the more bigfooters hands and we're gonna it's just a
matter of time at this.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
POINT i just you, know it's funny. TOO i think
back sometimes AND i think back like our early years
like four to, seven where we didn't have a lot.
Happen in those, YEARS i think both had some good stuff,
happened but it was just those years great yeams. Everyone
we built up all our friendships and we had some great.
Times you, know we had not that much. Happened those
were some of the best.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Times they set the foundation for the rest of our
big footing.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Careers, really oh.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Absolutely, absolutely it's just those.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
YEARS i, mean it's just, yeah they're. PRECIOUS i think
about it all the, time Went i'm up.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
There one of the first THINGS i had exciting happened
WHEN i was With bart Was jamie j again and
when he AND i saw that one up At Bluff.

Speaker 10 (42:03):
Creek oh, yeah, YEAH i think that was seven and
that WAS i think that was either early summer or
late SPRING o, seven and we opened the roads To
bluff at that.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
POINT i think that was, WILDMOS i. Think and we
were at The shape, Road liderman AND i were dug
down his ticks and we were.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Listing no one knew we had no, thermo we had.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Nothing AND i THINK i was playing a baby crying
on the lad, speaker you knowing a.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
Car you had a sunny night shot camera with infra.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Red, yeah, exactly you're not. Nothing BUT i heard that
thing walk.

Speaker 7 (42:35):
In you could hear this gravel crunching under the.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
TOES i mean it sounded like a biped to. Me
and the cautious walk and every.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
And then you, know then we hear that bow And,
jamie they thought it was me that recrossed the road
because they they walked right past, us almost stepped on
me And robert and then walked right past us all
the way down and just the way the shadows and
the way the moonlight, was you, know they, saw you,
know like subject about my height six you, know six

(43:02):
foot or whatever we crossed the. Road we were never down,
there SO i was really. Fascinating YEAH i remember, That.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
YEAH i remember you were so.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
Frustrated you're, like if you guys hadn't walked up right,
then the thing was walking right towards. Us you guys
were so, fresh.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
But we were and you know what they're looking, BACK
i mean without, thermal we were getting come, on you,
know they were just We, yeah there was just there
was just no.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Way you. KNOW i always think back to your guys
incident at that, time got to Mun Named lakes in Northern.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
California you guys had had a hell of an experience
and if you had thermal that, night you guys.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Had them dead.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Right, god we got therms just a year or two
after that for the first, time and we, thought oh,
yeah three months from, now we're gonna have a couple
pieces of.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Footage yeah we thought it was. Open, yeah BUT.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
I thought we thought two.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Weeks, yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Well they were coming out in the. Open mean they
were coming out in the open and.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
That, yeah some many things happened at the water spot
and it's just ridiculous and, uh and then it's just
kind of shut down. Unfortunately but then, Again i'm not
really hitting it LIKE i used to BECAUSE i you,
know back, THEN i was living In Long Beach. California
SO i, would you, know spend a long time in
the woods at the spots and. Stuff but now i'd
live in a, spot you, know so it's it's harder
for me to get down.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
There so it's probably just as good as it ever.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Was but you, know and people say that night That
jamie AND i saw that one that was walking up On.
Barton robert, said, well you can't rull out a, Human
AND i, said if you would have been on that
road clearing. Mission it took us two days to clear
the roads to get into all the down trees and
boulders and.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
MUDs that was my first time to blow. Up actually
that was my first time.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
There.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah see that's something that burns me a little, bit,
man because people who say, that, oh you can't rule
out of, Human well you weren't, There like.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
How do you know?

Speaker 4 (44:46):
That LIKE i, THINK i think it's pretty LIKE i
don't know of you guys.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
CAMP i, mean if you, camp you kind of know
what's around, you especially at that.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Spot there's nowhere else to be really near that.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Spot maybe it was slinking around up and down hills
off of with no lights off. Trail it's, like come,
on like, yeah you you actually. Can't you actually can
eliminate humans from being one of the one of the,
choices if you know the certain. Perspective, yeah but, yeah
skeptics are not exactly rational all the.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Time so or WHAT i like that say when you
say some of them are smart enough to be, skeptics.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
That that's, true that's.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
True, yeah some people are not smart enough to be,
skeptics and some people aren't qualified to be, skeptics and
in various other.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Ways, Absolutely and.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
That's one thing's, too you, know in the field like,
NOW i, mean don't get me, WRONG i, mean my,
god it's my best friends in the whole, world and
in this.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
FIELD i love. IT i MEAN i love, THEM i love.
IT i love getting.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Out but And i'd love to go to more, conferences you,
know just even for the full fal, aspect.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
For the PEOPLE i care. About it's just hard to
get away as.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Much AND i want to use that, time you, know
maximize that time and get in the.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Field but it's, just you, know with.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
With facebook and everything, else it's JUST i don't, know
it just turns me, Out LIKE i almost feel like
it's LIKE i know What i'm looking, for you know
WHAT i, MEAN i know the people THAT i like
going out and searching, this AND i, just you, know
these days try to that's that's you, know WHERE i
try to put my energy WHEN i have the. Time you,
Know it's JUST i know this can be, done AND

(46:13):
i don't care who does.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
IT i want to.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
DONE i, Know, cliff you're kind of like or at
least when we've talked. BEFORE i, mean you, know they,
exist and it's not the end for.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Me THOUGH i think it. IS i think THAT i want.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
It done before my parents.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Go ABSOLUTELY i want them to you know WHAT i.
Mean like it means like you.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Know so always supported me on that and everything that
goes along with, that and.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
AND i want it.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
DONE i don't care who it, is you, KNOW i
just want done AND i want, done. RIGHT i.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
Agree, yeah great to get some redemption with our, parents
that's for.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Sure oh, YEAH i don't care what your parents think of.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Me come, ON i love you.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Guys Parents for the first, time they're, like we're so
glad you have a Normal friendic that's, Like i'm your normal.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Friend, jesus you told ME i was the most normal
guy that you, knew AND i was, thinking, well got my.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
CIRCLES i was one of the Stranger but then.

Speaker 5 (47:18):
So, bart you're multi generational resident of you, Know, Canada
Monterey bay and this show is Called Bigfoot. BEYOND i
know you have some info on another one of our favorite,
cryptids sea.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Serpents.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Yeah how how crazy is?

Speaker 3 (47:32):
This?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
So back in which was the, fifties there was about
three year period Every, italian Every Italian sicilian Fisherman i'm
related pretty much every one of, them including my now
both non news which were both my. Grandfathers one of
them they saw this during The steinbeck, era This saradine
era where they there was about a three or four

(47:53):
year period where they were just pulling in comes to
sardines and they just. Disappeared it's like another whole. Mystery
but they were SEEING i think it might have been an,
orphish probably not because it was revealedly. Seen you're not
going to repeatedly see an, orphish that's how rare they.
Are but this thing was actually. SEEING i mean not

(48:14):
one on one who saw it about seven. Times the
other one always thought one. Time but every one of
them saw. It and guess what the name of that,
thing the.

Speaker 6 (48:22):
Nickname Handsome stead.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Pretty close turned out to be one of my better, Buddies,
bobo which is pretty, crazy but, yeah that's WHAT i
grew up on was and that was an inspiration for
me in this. Pursuit was My nanu telling me the
stories and you, know you, said he's so, cute he's
such a great, best this old Time cilian. FISHERMAN i,
mean just as you would, imagine you, know almost like

(48:46):
the stereotype and the Broken, english and you're just so cute.
Best AND i just REMEMBER i when was, saying go
TRY i get the camera and go, down you, know and.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
He would see. It he said on.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
You, know a lot of them had described like a
horse's me on, it you, know like a reddish, horse
and that's. Right my mind is always looking Towards, okay
what's the first you, know what's the first? Candidate and
that matches, up okay with an oar. Fish but a
lot of people described it shaped to like a, sunfish
not like a, servent you, Know and there was some

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really close.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Upsidings there was a.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Old sicilian boat called The dante Al jerry that had
a major, side you, know all the whole, crews all this,
thing and you kind of remember these guys are out
all the.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Time these guys go to a Last June. July they
see it. All they see.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Every every sea light that you can a marine animal
that you can possibly. Imagine and you, know when something's,
unfamiliar these guys know.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
It you.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Know it's not like even you, know your Regular joe
that's going to see. Something you, know maybe a lot
of mess or whatever not be identify. It, mean guys
are out there all the, time so when something's, different you,
know they.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Know SO i don't know what the hell it. Was
sightings tapered. OFF i think the last TIME i.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
None we thought it might have been in the Sixties
montopotman And Mount, Banni but, yeah that was it. BEEN
i haven't heard anything.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Since, well it's just some speculation BECAUSE i think that's
kind of. Fun sasquatch like.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
That what is?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
IT i would say that they are absolutely no secret
masters of the environment chameleon. Licabilities they. Are there's a
shy and retiring. NATURE i don't know. Why maybe it's
a disease thing with. Us maybe they have, bigger maneuverable,
bodies but somehow they there's a shy and retiring nature
attached or we.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Wouldn't be where we. Are there's no argument on.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
That why that, IS i DON'T i you, KNOW i don't,
know BUT i think IT'S i honestly think it's just
A i think it's a matter of time AND dna
may play a big part of. It you, know we
had a long story, there but there was a couple
opportunity for, that AND i think the wrong person, Clearly

(51:02):
uh take that ball and run with it if you,
will and they're reflected back in her.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Face BUT i think in the long, TERM i THINK.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
DNA i THINK i think with thermal with with there's
now software and being told that they could see.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Blood, flow that's you, know technology is just going to keep.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Going and there's only four, percent but four to five
percent of this continent that we officially take up that.
Space the other ninety five percent is. Free you, know
there's there's a. Darkness is how many Hours once it's,
dark those things can go wherever they. Want And i've
always had a theory that they've had the. Benefit you,

(51:44):
know it's just a lucky benefit Of you've got to
think in areas like where there's black bear and humans
using a lot of those same, TRAIL i just think
a lot of their sign is is disguised because you've
got to, remember most people aren't the guy that smells
the ground and he knows that hell crap.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
There a week. Ago you, know that's a rare that's
a rare.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Guy most people are the people that take the path
of lease resistance in the, forest stick to the human.
Trails it's just no surprise where we. ARE i think
the biggest thing that surprised me is one hasn't made
a mistake and an actual body brought in for processing
THAT i cannot THAT i baffle.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
By SO i think it's just a matter of.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Time BUT i still think ten fifteen, YEARS i still
think we're.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
OUT i don't think it's gonna, Happen. MOOR i don't see.
IT i don't know what it.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
IS i think we're still there's still gonna be some
time before we get.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
THERE i hope you're. Wrong go To Why why right, On.

Speaker 6 (52:39):
Barth that was a great little chat with. You we
appreciate you coming on the.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Show, No i'm, honored love you, guys and any time you,
know anytime you need anything for, Me i'm here for.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
You SO i appreciate thank you for considering me to
have me on.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
Honor, Yeah it's doesn't even feel like a.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Show we're just hanging out talking like like we're in
the same, room but we're.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Not, yeah And, bart you're.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Available we're gonna Do Bubbo's fab five follow.

Speaker 8 (53:02):
Up we're going to pick the five best questions that
the listeners have in the comment section and call you
back and try to get some quick answers To.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
Clipper do you think we didn't cover properly or didn't
go into depth on?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Enough? Sure?

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Absolutely all, Right Bart, man Hey, man great to talk to.
You it's been a little bit too. Long it's been
a couple of. Weeks, FIRST i think at least this
is always nice hang out with you And bobs at
the same. Time so thanks for coming on and gracing
us with your. Presence, Okay, bart love you to.

Speaker 8 (53:29):
Brother thanks so much for joining, us and thanks everyone
for tuning in, listening and until next, time keep It.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
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