June 20, 2024 • 57 mins
Originally released in May of 2020, this classic episode is one of our listeners' favorites! Cliff and Bobo speak with Sara (a forestry professional) who recounts a frightening encounter that she experienced while backpacking alone in the Marble Mountains of California! We're giving this episode "Classic" status due to the number of comments that we've received over the years about this amazing testimony!
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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff andBobo. These guys are your favorites,
so like to subscribe and raid itfive stary s and me right, just
go on Wish today listening, ohwatching always keep its watching. And now
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your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James BooboFay. Hey Cliff, Hi Bobo,
how you doing man? Good man? I got us a special guest today.
You've been talking about this guest fora little while and you haven't told
me who it is or or anythinglike that, so I'm kind of excited
to learn a little bit about it. Well, you'll recognize the report,
I'm sure, Sarah. She wasa female backpacker back in the late nineties.
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You had an incredible encounter up inthe Marble Mountains. I'll let her
tell the story, but you willrecognize that. Promise. Fantastic, fantastic.
Let's bring her on, Sarah,Welcome on board. This is Cliff.
Yeah. Actually I don't want toconfuse you, Sarah. That was
actually Bobo who said that. ButI understand I get us mixed up sometimes
too. But yeah, I'm Cliff. It's nice to meet you, Sarah.
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Nice to meet you too. Cliffand Bobo's voice is unmistakable, So
thank you both for having me.His voice is like the grumbling of a
volcano before belches. So yeah,Sarah's report. They try to get a
hold of her for finding Bigfoot.I couldn't track her down. I thought
there's a fun over here. It'slike twenty three years old. I'll try
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it anyways, And I tried it. She still had the same number.
Oh nice, And she's not justyour average witness, she's got full accreditations.
Can you tell us a little aboutyour your background, Sarah, then
you're going into your story. Uh? Yeah, A little bit about my
background is I grew up in Californiain the Bay Area, and my dad
and I were avid outdoors people,and he taught me how to fish and
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hike and a little bit of backpacking. And then when I went to college
in the nineties up at Chico State, I really became an avid backpacker.
So I sort of followed this paththat maybe my career would be in the
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natural resources and outdoor sciences. AndI had worked in the summer of ninety
six for the Klamath National Forest,and so I learned a lot about that
area, and so the following summer, I was going to summer school and
I wanted to plan out a bigone hundred miles solo hike, and so
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I did that. And not toget too far into the story, I
did eventually obtain a science degree andactually my forester's license here in California.
So I'm a registered professional forester.I live in northern California. And that
is that the way you make yourliving today? Still, Yeah, I'm
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an active licensed forester. I doa lot of wildfire safety planning. I
see. Okay, very good.So and so you had an encounter at
one point with a sasquatch. What'sthe context of that, Like, what
were you doing at the time?And it was that on that one hundred
mile trek that you just mentioned.That's correct. It was the second night
in Oh wow, yeah, soSarah, you can't what was the like
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physical location mirk. So I wasthe second night in on ae hundred mile
backpacking trip, and I had hikeda fair amount the first day and then
I noticed on my map that therewas this lake that I wanted to try
and get to. So I madeit to the lake within the late afternoon
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evening the second day and then justbeyond the lake. Although the lake was
beautiful, it was a little bitsmaller than I had imagined. And just
beyond the lake, I could kindof catch a glimpse of what looked like
a big rock out cropping, andso I continued onto that, and when
I got there, it was likethis football field of a flat escarpment,
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this big rock, solid rock field, which, now, knowing what I
know about the area, I believewas a large marble escarpment. And so
I wanted to camp there that night. So you set up camp on this
outcropping, I guess, And didthe encounter happened during the day at night?
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Like, how did the whole thingbegin? So I didn't bring a
tent on the trip. It washot and it was forecasted to be very
hot for the whole time. Infact, along the trip I had left
articles of clothing like a green jacketand a few things where I was like,
I'm not going to need these things, and you know, lighten my
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load. I'm actually going to makeit through this trip. So I didn't
have a tent, and so whenI got to the the site that I
wanted to camp at, I setup my bag, my sleeping bag,
and you know, my backpack andkind of unpacked a little bit right there.
And I knew that I was goingto encounter a bear or two,
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or however many, and I waspretty concerned about bears on the trip,
and so I packed up all myfood stuff and my stove and hiked way
over to the far side of theescarpment and cooked my dinner. I was
pretty crashed out and wanted to goto bed, and it was kind of
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early, it was maybe just dusk, so late August, and I was
starting to get dark, and I'mlaying there in my bed and I fell
asleep, and I was sleeping hard, and I woke up in the middle
of the night to sound. Itwas really far away and very faint,
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and I could hear it, andat first I thought it's probably an owl.
It kept going and I was kindof trying to go back to sleep,
and the way that I was situatedon the escarpment with my sleeping bag,
I was basically feet facing down thiscanyon or ravine, and it was
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a big canyon. So I keephearing the noise and now reminding you,
this was twenty three years ago,and so I'm remembering this right now,
as I tell you guys, whathappened. So what I was hearing was
repetitive and it just didn't stop.It was still faint and very far away,
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but it was repetitive. So thenI thought, after I thought maybe
it was an owl and I wasjust going to go back to sleep.
Then I thought, well, maybeit's a bugling elk. And so I
was laying there and sure enough itcontinued without pause, and it was over
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and over and over again of whatI originally called this inward howl, and
it was one after the next,and I will tell you that it started
to grow just slightly louder. Andso then I started thinking to myself,
Okay, probably not an owl,maybe not a bugling elk. I did
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think maybe this was a mountain lion. And then eventually I ended up having
some scary thoughts that maybe it wasa man or a person, really a
man that was crazy or drunk waydown in the bottom of a wilderness canyon.
And I have to be honest,that thought and me went away because
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of the unlikelihood of that, andall along it kept going. And so
now I'm in my mind going,what in the world is that, and
it's getting louder, and it keepsgoing, and it's clearly running and howling
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up the creek down at the bottomof this canyon that I'm sleeping up above.
And so I thought, okay,whatever, it is, no problem.
I'm way up here at the topof this canyon and really at the
base of a peak, so there'snothing that could get up here. And
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earlier in the night, when itwas still light, I had definitely looked
over the canyon a bunch, andso I knew that I was right over
like a short cliff base with abig screen field down below and in the
ravine, and it was huge.I mean, the relief in those canyons
can easily be two thousand feet.So as it started to get louder and
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louder and clearly running and calling ordoing whatever it was doing, crying or
wherever you want to call it,all the way up and repetitively, I
started thinking, this thing is runningup the canyon and is running to the
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boulder field the screen pile down below. So then I kind of thought,
well, that'll surely stop it inits tracks. And so the time period
is a little bit foggy in myrecollection. In all honesty, I think
that it was probably about forty fiveminutes of hearing it down in the creek
bottom in the ravine until it gotto what was the boulder field down below,
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and when it got to bolder fieldagain continuously howling or inward howling.
At that point I could start tohear it. I could start to hear
clearly that there was something running andfrankly hauling ass and it was going fast
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through this boulder field, carrying youknow, running and sort of carrying its
body. And I could just startto make out rocks moving, but just
faintly. Obviously at this point itwas much louder. It was right below
me by two hundred feet. Itstarted, you know, kind of propelling
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itself up what was the boulder field. I'm scared, you guys. I
I was so scared. I didn'tknow anything. I didn't know what it
was. I didn't know if itwas coming for me. I just was
laying there as scared as you canimagine, completely breathless, completely motionless,
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and thinking, Okay, it's goingto get to the bottom of the cliff,
and there's no way any bugling elkor crazy person or whatever could climb
up that cliff, and I,being an outdoors person in adventure, I
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was familiar with rock climbing a littlebit. At that point. I went
on to do some more rock climbing, but I knew that, you know,
no one could climb that without ropes. It was easily a five to
nine maybe a five eight pitch.It would have been a crumbly, very
steep cliff face, and it wasat least fifty feet tall, if not,
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I don't know, seventy feet seventyfive feet. Sure enough, the
thing started and you could hear itpulling itself and climbing up the cliff.
And it was really interesting because whenit got to the bottom and started the
climbing was the first that it hadtaken a real break from the howling or
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the whooping, and so it sortof caught its breath, and it had
some that I could hear, somegrunts and some slight pitches, but not
the repetitious whoops that later in thecall. I can describe to you guys
what I heard. But anyways,things started climbing up the cliff, and
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I'm at the very top of it, and I'm just off to the side
of what was a little creek thatsort of defined the escarpment and the cliff
and then down into the ravine.It was just off to sort of the
river right side of that little creekor brook that was really more of ice
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melt from the peak above. Byabout I don't know if I was fifteen
feet or thirty feet, but Iwas right in there, fifteen to thirty
feet off the side of that littlecreek that wouldn't have been more than a
foot or two wide. So Ijust kept laying in my bag and essentially
praying that I wasn't coming to getgobbled up. It continued to climb successfully
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and pretty quickly, and when itgot to the top of the cliff,
it was so amazing. The thingjust pulled itself up and over. It
just used whatever arms it had andhoisted itself up and almost like it jumped
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up and over the top. Soat that moment you put your eyes on
it, you could actually see thething that you've been listening to for the
last forty five minutes at that point, that's correct, and there was moonlight.
I didn't want to move my eyes, I didn't want to move anything.
I didn't want to breathe. Ididn't want to move my eyes or
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my head, but instinct I hadto. I had to see what was,
you know, coming for me orwhatever. And it wasn't coming for
me, I'll tell you that now. But nevertheless, my eyes just went
slowly and steadily to the left andright. Then it started up as if
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it was going to start running again, and took a big breath and sort
of hesitated and stopped just for asplit second and looked and looked at me,
and I looked at it, andthe only thing that I can describe
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of what I saw was similar toa gorilla. I think I scared the
crap out of it. Honestly.I think that it was at that moment
just as scared as I was,and realized it wasn't alone thinking that it
was, and I still didn't moveand was extremely frightened, if not on
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the verge of a heart attack.That's how I am right now. And
at that point, so it looksto the left over, you know,
so we're facing opposite directions, sowe both just barely look to our left,
and as soon as it notices thatthere's someone or something else right there,
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it just stands up and howls andtakes off so fast. Anyways,
it took off and was at thebase of that peak in probably ten minutes,
maybe fifteen minutes, and then itcontinued to climb up that peak,
doing the howl, the travel howlfor another only like twenty or thirty minutes.
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And I'm still laying in my bag, just as scared as can be.
And it stayed up there for hoursand hours until almost sunrise, and
it called the whole time as loudas you can imagine, consistently, one
after the other, and just stayedthere, calling out, stay tuned for
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more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff andBobo will be right back. After these
messages, you said that when itsaw you, what it noticed you up
there, it let out a howl, and then a moment later you referred
to a traveling howl. So thatvocalization that it emitted when it saw you
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was different than the other ones.It was like a it was more of
a grunt. It was more oflike the grunt that I was hearing when
it was climbing, and it waslike a but it was like a hiccup.
Oh okay, okay. And thenthat's the practice I did the same.
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Yeah, I get it. Sothe howl, the travel howl,
that remained pretty consistent from when youfirst started hearing it to when it reached
the top of the mountain of fortyfive minutes an hour or so later.
It was notably consistent and methodical.Okay, Well, to describe that howl,
I'm curious what that was like.It was a whoop along howl,
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a scream, high pitched, lowpitch. The frequency, what can you
tell us about that? So I'vealways described it to my closest confidence as
an inward howl or an inward drawl. And it had a fairly high but
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medium high pitch, and it wasit was created. It would be created
in drawing the lungs in and sothe travel or running how how that's what
I'm calling it would be like wow. So that kind of frequency, like,
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that's how often that happened. Andthat's the approximately the length of the
vocalization you heard as well, fromwhen the moment I heard it until it
got to the bottom of the clifffield or excuse me, the the cliff
in the rock field, it wasconsistent and just like that wow. And
so that was probably close to anhour and a half, maybe two hours
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of hearing that. Oh okay,I had the timeline a little off.
Yeah, Well, so what Iwas saying is it was probably close to
forty five minutes down in the bottomof the ravine, so kind of the
flat area, and then another saytwenty five maybe forty minutes through the rock
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field, and crazy enough, Iwant to say that it climbed that cliff
in like five minutes. It wasfast. Maybe it was ten, but
really I think it was a totalof from the time I started hearing it
to the time it got to memy location was an hour and a half.
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And that's in real person time,not the I'm getting the crap scared
out of me alone in the MarbleMountains time. Imagine it felt like an
eternity for you. It felt likean eternity for sure, And to this
day, I really I do strugglewith putting some real time to that.
But I bet was that a soloextended backpacking trip. I don't think it
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was Bobo No, And I continuedon the trip. I actually had a
goal. I was going to tryand go off route and go in to
the wilderness off trail, but Ireally couldn't find my way with just wayfinding,
and I did not want to getlost, and I knew my dad
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would kill me if I got lost, So I went back to the trail
and continued on and carried out afull It was actually ninety eight mile trips.
That must have changed something with youon that trip, Like that's the
second day in on one hundred miletrip. That certainly must have planted some
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sort of seed in you for therest of the trip, just thinking like,
holy crap, those things are outhere. Those things were out there,
and I knew that, but Iwas in such shock that I put
it in the depths of my mind. I was so focused on doing this
trip, Hello type A, thatI just I wanted to do the trip.
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It was a huge goal for methat whole year, and I just
I didn't want to let it gobecause of this creature that came through my
camp. Were they on your radarbefore that trip? I mean, obviously
of course you were aware of sasquatches, but like, did you think they're
real? Did you think that they'rejust like a normal forest sort of thing
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out there that I could run into? Very much on my radar by then,
because the summer before is when Iworked for the FEDS and spent my
summer up in the Klamath the wholetime. And I'd heard stories and I
read that great book about the biodiversityof the sisq Oh, I know what
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you're talking about, and they mentionedit the klimathnot is that it the Klamath,
Knot that's it? Yeah, thereyou go, good one. Yeah.
So they were just barely in mymind. So that year that I
was working for the FEDS, wewere doing a survey. We were doing
a recreational user survey, and Iactually ended up interviewing this group of cave
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expeditioners that were heading into the Marblesand they were going to try and do
some mapping of the caves. Andthey had mentioned at that interview, you
know, yeah, there's there's cavesout there, and we think that that
is habitat and home to some ofthe Sasquatch and possibly last remaining Sasquatch on
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the planet. And at the time, I mean I was even a year
younger then, So when I waslike eighteen, I kind of was like,
huh, okay, marked that onein the books. And so,
I mean I knew that there wasthe concept of these things being out there.
And like I said, I youknow, I grew up as an
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outdoors person with my dad, butnothing like what I had actually experienced.
You had on your one the yearbefore. You've made an interesting observation.
You thought that it sounded like Iwas wounded. Yeah. So the reason
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why I was turned on to thebook That Klamath Not was I met an
individual out there and I myself andmy partner, my working partner, who
I wish I could get a holdof, but I have no idea how
to get a hold of this person. Anyways, he and I both had
this creature come through our camp lateone night, and it was it was
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like limping and dragging a foot,so it was like and it was doing
this same kind of almost like ahowl or howl or a whoop, but
it was more of a cry andit cried out and it was just parallel
to us. And that was rightthere on the Klamath River, and it
was parallel to us, and itwas it was seemingly injured just by the
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sound, but we couldn't see it. We were shining our flashlights up there,
we couldn't see anything. And thenit just stopped. There was nothing
for like probably ten minutes, andthen there was this splash in the river
and we think that it jumped inthe river and swam off. Oh so
you had an entirely different encounter theyear before during that when you're working for
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the FEDS. Is that what I'mgoing right? Right? Okay, right?
But I mean hearing in pose itinjured sasquatch, Yeah, was pretty
far from my fathom ability. Anduh and then so yeah, you're right,
Cliff, there was somewhere in theback of my mind where I was
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aware that these creatures possibly existed,and so on the rest of my trip,
I just kind of I really putit. I put it in the
back of my mind and ended upcoming into, uh, within three feet
of a huge black bear. Andthat had me more concerned than yeah,
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than than the first the first guy. Okay, so I got to ask,
as you happen to look around yourcampsite for footprints the next morning where
the thing walked through your camp.Definitely, I packed up and looked around,
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and I was on I was ona rock face. There was nothing,
nothing, and they and the summerbefore when the alleged injured one came
through. We looked for footprints inthe It was one of those spots on
the river where it's really rocky,but then there's those perfect fine sand,
little sand beaches and we couldn't seeanything, no tracks. Okay, you
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know what's interesting was that you guysgot the census thing was asking you for
help in the first Yes, absolutely, Sorry, what do you mean by
that? Yeah, tell me aboutthat because Bubbo knows a lot more about
your encounter than I do, soI don't know anything, so laid on
me. Okay, well it okay, I'll tell that story from the beginning.
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That one. I guess I've alwayshad a harder time with that one
because I didn't see it. Ionly heard it. But I'll tell you
all about it. So my workpartner and I were, you know,
working for the FED, so wewere out camping. It was a total
internship and making no money. Itwas great, but we were We would
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find all these different places to campand this one spot was like this old
this like old road river access andwe took the cars down there and we
were like, hey, I thinkthis would be a good spot to sleep.
So we ate some food at ourcars and then we, you know,
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gathered up our bags and just ploppedthem down on the river, and
we each we each kind of grabbedone of those little sandy beach spots,
like that was our own little campsite. And so he was easily twenty feet
away from me, my buddy.And so we went to sleep, and
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I had I was again no tent, but I'm in my sleeping bag,
and I had all my belongings aroundme, you know, my journal,
my book, my headlamp, andI had a knife. So we go
to sleep, and I was atthat time, I was asleep too,
and I wake up to the soundof this step drag, step drag through
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what was like oak tree litter orduff. And it went on for a
while. It was down the waya bit, and it just kept getting
closer up towards us, and allwe could hear was step drag, step
drag, and it stopped right aboveus, and it cried, and it
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was like, you know that onethat one I want. I'll embarrass myself
if I try to mimic it.But it was this this cry for help
is what it seemed like. Andwe were flashing our lights up there.
We couldn't see anything, and Ieventually I put my light down and I
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was gripping my knife, but Isort of let down my guard because I'm
like, and I even said overto Ben, I go, Ben,
what is it? And by thenI sort of let my guard down because
it was almost like a emotional Itwasn't threatening. And we just sat there
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for a little while it all stopped, and I'll be honest, I fell
asleep. I fell asleep, andI woke up to the splash, the
sound of the splash of the river. It's draining when you're when you're in
a tense situation like that, likeand your adrenaline is pumping for hours,
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it's so so like it's just drainedyour whole body, no kidding. So
yeah, So I sometimes get embarrassedon that one that I'm like, yeah,
I passed out. I just plumbpassed out, because I it was
just like what in the heck?And and we both did we both passed
out cold, so it could have, you know, come right past us.
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And we looked for we looked forany kind of tracks in the dusk
the next day where it was walkingon the beach in the sand all around,
and it didn't see anything. Well, we thought for a long time.
They're probably pretty aware of their footprints, so that's not too surprising.
I guess at the end of theday, I want to ask you a
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little bit about the what you actuallyvisually observed, you know, so fast
forward a year. I guess fromthat that the Olympia encounter, you said
that it looked like a gorilla.Can you describe what you saw from the
top of the head down to whereveryou lost it, you know, to
steep presumably, So from the topof the head it had a big,
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blackish brown, squatty head, abig face. I still did stake and
look right into its eyes, bigeyes, big bright eyes, kind of
a flat face. And the waythat it turned its neck, it's like
it had no neck, and itjust turned completely to the side, almost
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without moving its shoulders. And theshoulders were very broad and wide and huge
and draping down with these large arms, kind of in a forward motion.
So it had just climbed itself upand over this rock face, and at
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that point it sort of stopped andwas about to propel itself to take off
for the mountain, when I thinkit realized that it was not alone.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyondwith Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
back after these messages. So itsort of hunched forward, almost like startled.
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Shoulders come forward, just slightly turning, but the neck turns completely like
ninety degrees over towards me, andthen down the whole back. I can
see its rump and just black blackishbrown fur the whole way down into the
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legs, muscular legs. I canpicture it right now. I mean I
saw muscles. The thing was hugeand ripped and broad and covered in her
So it must have been a prettygood moon out. You said that earlier,
but I believe it was like afew days prior to a full moon.
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Yeah, on a rock escarpment,of course, that reflects. And
you know, I've done a lotof backpacking in the Sierras, for example,
and camping on those granite faces.It almost is like daylight under the
moon conditions. It's ridiculous. Soyeah, and my eyes were just cranked
in that direction. I didn't movemy body at all, so you know,
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all I could see was what myeyes could see in a slightly turned
and really periphery. But I sawit, and that's what I saw.
You might have said this in yourinitial description, but refreshing my memory if
you did, how far away wereyou from it from where it came up
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over the cliff and when it firstnoticed you? Yeah, so I was
on one side of the creek anywherebetween, you know, fifteen twenty feet
maybe thirty at the most. Andit was just on the other side of
that little creek or brook by likefive or ten feet. Oh so you're
withorin like forty fifty feet up fromthis thing. Oh yeah, I think
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that I was within thirty feet.Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's horribly
close. I'm a forester. Iknow what thirty feet is. Yeah,
you know, most people don't,honestly, and and I don't want to
slam people or anything, but peopleare just terrible at distances. I'm sure.
Because you're a forester, you dependon your estimation of distances for a
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lot of what you do, youknow, planting trees or whatever. I
don't know. There's probably a millionthings you do that I have no idea
about. But to have the laymansay, oh, it was ten feet
for me, then that's like,okay, well maybe that's fifty. Maybe
that's thirty you know, don't reallyknow, but you're confident in your ability
to judge distances at this point,right, Yeah, And I've relived the
experience in my mind enough and nowknowing what thirty feet is, confidently that's
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that's always the number I come backto. And I'm looking at thirty feet
away from you right now, andI'm like, yep, yeah, that
was horrifically close, you know,thirty feet ten yards. That's ridiculous,
and so honestly, I don't knowthat it so it was slightly hunched forward,
not on all fours, but justenough to where those arms and shoulders
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were forward. I don't think itwas much more than eight feet tall.
Maybe standing completely upright, it couldhave been ten. But I you know,
like when I went to the museumin Felton and they have that like
the peak through and those things arelike fifteen feet tall, Like, whoa,
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I didn't see anything that was fifteenfeet tall. Just for your guys'
records, what I saw, Ireally think was about eight to ten feet
tall. Yeah. I imagine youspent some time with topo maps because you're
doing this trip and you're doing youmight want to go off trail and the
whole thing. I'm curious why,of all places it walked exactly where you
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were. I mean, it's that'swhat are the chances of that unless it
was a path of least resistance insome way to get to the top of
that mountain? Perhaps, do youhave any insight or thoughts on that?
Yeah, I was off trail.I was. I was off in a
place that you know, wouldn't havebeen right off of a trail on a
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TOBO map. And when I kindof was peeking around that that first lake
that I thought I would get toand camp at, I sort of peeked
around and just went you know,the extra not even quarter mile and sort
of looked and was like, whatin the world, it's this huge rock
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escarpment, Like I'm camping there?That's the spot. Did the creature drop
by the lake on the way andlike after it left you on the way
to the top of the mountain?No, there was no, there was
do not pass go. It wentfrom me directly up and continued on its
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already determined route. It knew whereit was going and did not stop and
went directly from the little creek orbrook that I was on and followed that
up to the peak and the lake. That little lake would have been off
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to the west by a good quartermile. That it's one of the things
we've noticed over the years, likeyeah, tracked a few Sasquatches in our
time. Then one of the thingsthat comes at is sometimes they're meandering about,
you know, and the stride thatthe step lengths are usually shorter and
all that kind of meandering, likethey're just kind of poking around, maybe
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looking for something in particular. Butthere are other times in cases when they
seem to be going somewhere, likethey have a goal in mind and for
whatever, for whatever reason. Andyou can tell that sometimes because the step
length is longer, for example,but they seem to hone in on the
direction they need to go, andthey go that way and nothing gets in
their way. If something's there,they might go around something that's insurmountable,
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some sort of obstacle, but generallyspeaking, they'll go over whatever it is
and just goes straight there, youknow, just just you know, as
the crow flies, as they say, no matter what's in their way.
So maybe this is one of thosecases. Perhaps, right, I've thought
about the path a lot, andI think that it was either a path
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that it had traveled before multiple times, or it was it was you know,
just pre established it was. Itwas definitely a direct route. It
knew where it was going. Doyou have any speculations on why it might
have been going there? I do. The week after my trip ended,
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I was meeting up with some friendsto go climb at Mount Shasta and to
go climb the peak, and I'lljust tell you guys, I didn't make
it. I did not sum itbecause I was so worn out from from
the hiking trip and my friends actuallyleft me at the at the start.
We you know, I made itto base camp, but it's a big
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it's a big climb to go atMount Shasta. Well, we will tell
anybody it didn't make it. It'sjust broadcast that no one listens to this,
that's all right. Yeah. SoI was so worn out from from
the trip that I stayed back atour base camp. But when we had
gone down after that to the littlecampground for just like a after trip camp
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out before we go head headed backhome, I met this this woman at
the campground there and we I waswith a group of girlfriends and so we
had kind of befriended her and abunch of people that she was camping with
and they, you know, itwas a campground, so they kind of
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had a party that night. Andshe was this really nice lady and she
noticed that I was limping and shewas like, what's wrong. Why are
you limping? And I was like, oh, my knee hurts. I
kind of blew it out. Ijust finished up a big hike and it's
really sore. And she was like, oh, well, I do reiki
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reiky healing. Do you do youwant me to do like a little reiki
treatment on you? And I'm likesure, And so we sit down and
I give her my knee and she'syou know, rubbing my knee and doing
whatever. And she was really interesting. She goes, so you just went
on a big backpacking trip, abig hiking trip by yourself. I'm like
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yeah. She's like that's interesting,and she kind of was looking at me
funny, and I was like,yeah, this it's really strange thing happened
to me on the trip. Andshe was like, oh, tell me.
I was like, well, itwas pretty wild. I'm like,
i'll tell you. But and soshe just listened and she listened to my
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whole recollection of what had just happened. And I didn't even tell my girlfriends
when we went up to Shasta,I didn't even tell them, So she
was essentially the very first person whoI told, and she listened to my
story the whole way through, andshe said, I'm a Kaduk Indian and
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my father's Koduk and has been goingup every summer, late summer and every
once in a while. I don'tknow what his pattern is, but my
father goes up to the tops ofthe peaks and records sasquatches doing their mating
calls. And I think that that'swhat you experienced was a sasquatch mating call.
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I'll bet it if you can figureout what that peak was. I'm
sure that every year on that samepeak. Yeah, I can figure it
out. I've looked at it inthe past. They just haven't come up
with a map file, but Ican do that. But it made a
lot of sense to me when shesaid that, I was like, of
course, well, yeah, thereare there are very many reasons animals vocalized
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in general. I mean that becauseyou know, they don't want to be
they don't want to give their spotaway, they give themselves away, and
mating I suppose would be top onthe list, I guess, you know,
unless they're like highly social like birdsor something like that. You always
chirping back and forth to one anotherhumans for that matter. And that's kind
of something I bring up quite often, is when you hear a sasquatch vocalize,
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chances are it's not doing that forits own benefit. It's that most
animals don't talk to themselves. Inother words, humans are kind of special
in that way, and there mightbe another one nearby, and that's something
that you need to keep in mind. I think, Yeah, awesoppressed,
you didn't hear one to answer atall, not at all. Yeah,
because that's a lot. That's expendingan awful lot of calories to get to
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at one certain location, you know, because that's climbing straight up to the
top of a mountain. Basically,that's not easy under any circumstance. So
to get up there and then hootand holler until morning time, there must
be a darn good reason to expendall those calories doing it, and certainly
mating would be one of them,just because a rare species like this that's
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spread very thinly across the landscape hasto have some sort of trouble finding other
sasquatches. Now, now let meask you this real fast. And I
know that you probably didn't see it'sjunk or anything like that, but did
you get the impression this was amale or a female? And really early
on got the impression that it wasa male. When it was down in
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the bottom of the canyon. Itimmediately was like, is a crazy man
a drunk guy coming for me?Yeah? I thought that was interesting that
you've suspected, even for a moment, that this might be a human.
So there must have been something aboutthe vocalization that reminded you of a human
in some sort of way. Staytuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
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and Bogo. We'll be right backafter these messages. So, now you're
a forester for a living. Haveyou heard other people who work for the
Forestry Service or FEDS or anything likethat talk about sasquatch encounters that they've had.
I only have one friend who's ina slightly related position and career share
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another story. But I have tobe totally honest with you. I really
don't cross mingle the sasquatch sighting withmy professional forestry career. I've you know,
when I've shared the story and myrecollection, I've been really ridiculed,
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and even by close friends. Luckilynot any of my family. It's pretty
cool. My family supports me andwhat I saw, but I've borderline lost
friends over this story, and soI tend to keep it separate from my
forestry career. I've shared it witha few people, but you know,
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there has to be a lot oftrust there first, and more of a
friendship. But I do have afriend who is in a related hydrology field,
and he and his wife had actuallycome across one up in the Feather
River Canyon apparently and allegedly was likea juvenile, And they pulled into this
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remote campsite up in the Feather RiverCanyon off the highway, and when they
pulled in, their headlights were shiningon this short, kind of squatty kid
like sasquatch that peered out just frombehind the tree, kind of walked out,
stared at it right in the headlights, and then ran off. I
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could be incorrect about this, becauseI mean, obviously I live, and
just like Bobo, we both livepretty bigfoot centric lives, you know,
our lives are you know, we'rebasically drowning in the subject. So we
probably have a skewed perception on someof this, but it seems to me,
at least set the Forest Service anda lot of those sort of folks
in general forest tree people are kindof opening up a little bit more to
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it. Like, for example,I live on timberland and therefore I get
like a tax deferment because I haveforests on my property, you know.
And so I've been dealing a lotwith the Malala District guys because they have
to come out and inspect my propertybecause the previous owners clear cut it and
they want to make sure I replantit and all that sort of stuff to
kind of keep my forest deferment formy property taxes. And I talked to
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them about bigfoot stuff. They haven'tseen it, but they're pretty open to
it, and they have they havesome good questions and whatever. And as
listeners of the podcast will know,this past fall, mountain Hood some well
some not not an official capacity,but rangers from the mountain Hood National Forests
reached out to me because they gotsasquatch Sighting reported to them. So it
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seems that that that icy wall issomewhat breaking down to some degree at least.
Maybe it's just because the old theolder folks are retiring or dying off
and the new generations coming in andthey're a little bit more open to that
sort of thing, or I don'tknow what it is, But can you
comment at all about anything that I'vejust said, Like, do you think
that's true at all? Or whatdo you what are your thoughts? I
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think I think that the icy wallyou describe is is coming down, but
it just doesn't do the the scientificcommunity any justice that it's not you know,
a classified specie species. It's notyou know, keyed out as a
living existing thing. And so that'swhere I mean, once it is adopted
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as a as a as a classifiedprimate mammal, then that wall's gone.
But without having that scientific you know, background of a scientific name, it's
going nowhere. Yeah, yeah,what do you what do you think is
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going to happen? Because you knowthese are I mean obviously you know they're
real, clearly you know, Andit's only therefore, in my opinion,
it's really only a matter at timeuntil the type specimen is brought in.
What do you think that will looklike from your end, like how it
will affect your job and and howhow do you think it will go down?
Basically, how it would affect mymy career is you know, it
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would probably for one, open upa bunch of experiences and encounters that people
have never reported and just go,yep, I saw one here, I
saw one here, and those storieswill be coming out of the woodwork.
And secondly, I mean at thatpoint would probably be identified as somewhat endangered,
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if not extinct species, and sothere would be protection measures I would
hope put into place, and sothat would be That would be good,
Yeah, because it would have toimmediately I imagine, be declared endangered even
if it's not, and I don'tthink they are necessarily, but I think
it would be immediately declared as endangereduntil a thorough ecological study could be done,
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and you know the way these thingsare, that could take a decade
man, right, That would itwould be really beneficial I think for the
protection and for the the knowledge thatit is a not a hoax or be
not some you know, mythical creature. Yeah, I would It would validate
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a whole lot of witness is thatit would go. It would validate entire
cultures, like the indigenous cultures ofNorth America. They would get such a
validation to their stories and unique oraltraditions. But it also, you know,
you said the whole lot of storieswill come out. I would also
predict that a whole lot of videosand photographs will come out that people have
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just been sitting on because they don'twant to be thought a fool or the
local drunk or something like that,and hopefully some immediate protection measures. So
I'll sit on that panel for sure. Oh fantastic. Well, so,
Sarah Bobo and I have both heardfrom more than one source that people are
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very high up in the government areaware of these things. But what do
you have any thoughts on some sortof overarching conspiracy or some nonsense or I
think most conspiracy conspiracies are nonsense personally. So are there any conspiracy conspiratorial thought
in your mind about this, becauseobviously there would be a huge economic issue
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for closing off a lot of landand all this other stuff, because we
all saw what the snailed art fish, the consequences of that, or the
consequences of the spotted owl in thePacific Northwest. I mean, I would
say that the logging industry still hasn'treally fully recovered from that whole ordeal.
Do you think there's any sort ofconspiracy amongst any level of government that's a
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concerted effort or do you think it'sjust individuals not really wanting to talk about
it. Yeah, I would Iwouldn't know enough to know about a concerted
effort. But what comes to mindis I think it's more in my industry
specifically. I think it's more almostof a jealous feeling that they haven't seen
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one and so they immediately knock itdown. Now at the higher level,
you know, with leadership, governmentdecision makers, I'm honestly at a loss
of why this isn't a you know, a documented species, and so so
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I've had, you know, thoughtsof my own of is there is there
some sort of conspiracy to to protector to hide this creature from legitimacy.
I mean, I've had that thoughtmyself a lot, because I saw what
I saw and it's still not abelieved creature for the most part, and
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so it's it's actually kind of frustrating, not kind of it's very frustrating.
From my end, it's there's someemotions that go along with it, like
embarrassment and like I said, maybejealousy from the others, you know,
and especially with this species of allof them, because you know, we
study the other apes, for example, to learn more about ourselves. That's
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our biological family, right, andyou think that like, oh, here's
an opportunity to learn so much moreabout where we came from. Like why
wouldn't they just jump on this.It just doesn't make sense to me at
all. But so I've always thoughtlike, if there is some sort of
effort, it's really a passive effort. I mean, people aren't going out
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and you know, squat and blackpeople in like black SUVs, aren't picking
up dead ones on the side ofthe road, in my opinion, or
anything like that. Although I've heardmore than my fair share of stories like
that. I've heard of stories probablyonce every two weeks. In my Bigfoot
museum up here by Portland, Oregon, somebody comes in asks me about these
conspiratorial ideas of helicopters whisking dead bigfootsaway from Mount Saint Helens after it blew
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in nineteen eighty. But if thereis a conspiracy, it must be an
awful passive one, something like,well, the bigfoots seem to be taken
care of themselves pretty well, solet's not expend any resources towards this because
they got out under control. Yeah. Yeah, that's a happy thought.
I'm going to go with that one. And I think I think we're all
leaning on you, Cliff and Bobo, to help us, you know,
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help the species become something that's validated, recognized, and approved by the scientific
community. Well, shoot, thishas been a good one, Cliff.
What do you think that was ourbest witness testimony so far? I'd say
that this is fantastic. Just theproximity, the encounter, the observations you
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made, and knowing that we're speakingto a legit, you know, forestry
professional here, all of those thingsjust tie into this beautiful situation that you
brought us. Man, that isan amazing encounter. Thank you so much,
Boba for setting us up, andthank you so much Sarah for joining
us. Absolutely honored you guys.Thank you so much, And like I
said, I really appreciate your guyswork. I've been following you guys and
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watching the shows and now listening tothis podcast, and and I really look
up to you guys. This isthis is truly an honor, and today's
talk has been a dream come true. Nerd. I used to watch the
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show a bunch and I'm like,oh, come on, Cliff yelling at
you from from my living room.Well, you know, people yelled at
me on set too, So yeah, I was always having to keep that
guy straight. Yeah. I thinkI had Bobo to point the way for
me. Yeah. Good. Well, if you see anything else out in
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the woods or here's something, youlet us know and come back on.
Okay, I will do that.Quit my day job. Oh yeah,
quit your day jobs. Do bigfootstuff full time. And there's no money
in it, but holy smokes,it's a lot of fun. That was
great. All right, Thank youso much, sir, Thank you guys.
Bye. So Bobo man, thatthat was a great witness. I
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can't believe you pulled one out likethat. That was amazing. Yeah,
and you recognize that story. I'msure read off the bat. I have
read it. I have read it, but you know, things get jumbled
in my mind, you know,like all these all these basically all the
reports from the last twenty five twentysix years of doing this just get all
jumbled up, so it's nice tohave a refresher course, especially when it's
straight from the witness's mouth. Yeah. She was excellent relaying details, and
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her memory was great. Her observationalskills were great. I mean, and
she's cautious. She even said,like I at one point she said,
I'm not so sure that, soI'm not gonna say it, you know,
like I think it was the peakof the mountain if I remember right.
She's cautious about what she's saying tomake sure that everything she's saying is
accurate. And I so appreciate thatfrom a witness instead of just making something
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up or answering even though they maynot be one hundred percent for sure,
right right, Yeah, those arethe witnesses everyone dreams about talking to you.
Yeah. Yeah, fantastic man,So thank you, Bob. So
that was amazing. Yeah, wegot some great guests coming up, so
if you listen to this one,folks, we got more coming for you.
And until next time, keep itSquatchy. Thanks for listening to this
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your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James BooboFay. Hey Cliff, Hi Bobo,
how you doing man? Good man? I got us a special guest today.
You've been talking about this guest fora little while and you haven't told
me who it is or or anythinglike that, so I'm kind of excited
to learn a little bit about it. Well, you'll recognize the report,
I'm sure, Sarah. She wasa female backpacker back in the late nineties.
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You had an incredible encounter up inthe Marble Mountains. I'll let her
tell the story, but you willrecognize that. Promise. Fantastic, fantastic.
Let's bring her on, Sarah,Welcome on board. This is Cliff.
Yeah. Actually I don't want toconfuse you, Sarah. That was
actually Bobo who said that. ButI understand I get us mixed up sometimes
too. But yeah, I'm Cliff. It's nice to meet you, Sarah.
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Nice to meet you too. Cliffand Bobo's voice is unmistakable, So
thank you both for having me.His voice is like the grumbling of a
volcano before belches. So yeah,Sarah's report. They try to get a
hold of her for finding Bigfoot.I couldn't track her down. I thought
there's a fun over here. It'slike twenty three years old. I'll try
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it anyways, And I tried it. She still had the same number.
Oh nice, And she's not justyour average witness, she's got full accreditations.
Can you tell us a little aboutyour your background, Sarah, then
you're going into your story. Uh? Yeah, A little bit about my
background is I grew up in Californiain the Bay Area, and my dad
and I were avid outdoors people,and he taught me how to fish and
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hike and a little bit of backpacking. And then when I went to college
in the nineties up at Chico State, I really became an avid backpacker.
So I sort of followed this paththat maybe my career would be in the
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natural resources and outdoor sciences. AndI had worked in the summer of ninety
six for the Klamath National Forest,and so I learned a lot about that
area, and so the following summer, I was going to summer school and
I wanted to plan out a bigone hundred miles solo hike, and so
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I did that. And not toget too far into the story, I
did eventually obtain a science degree andactually my forester's license here in California.
So I'm a registered professional forester.I live in northern California. And that
is that the way you make yourliving today? Still, Yeah, I'm
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an active licensed forester. I doa lot of wildfire safety planning. I
see. Okay, very good.So and so you had an encounter at
one point with a sasquatch. What'sthe context of that, Like, what
were you doing at the time?And it was that on that one hundred
mile trek that you just mentioned.That's correct. It was the second night
in Oh wow, yeah, soSarah, you can't what was the like
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physical location mirk. So I wasthe second night in on ae hundred mile
backpacking trip, and I had hikeda fair amount the first day and then
I noticed on my map that therewas this lake that I wanted to try
and get to. So I madeit to the lake within the late afternoon
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evening the second day and then justbeyond the lake. Although the lake was
beautiful, it was a little bitsmaller than I had imagined. And just
beyond the lake, I could kindof catch a glimpse of what looked like
a big rock out cropping, andso I continued onto that, and when
I got there, it was likethis football field of a flat escarpment,
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this big rock, solid rock field, which, now, knowing what I
know about the area, I believewas a large marble escarpment. And so
I wanted to camp there that night. So you set up camp on this
outcropping, I guess, And didthe encounter happened during the day at night?
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Like, how did the whole thingbegin? So I didn't bring a
tent on the trip. It washot and it was forecasted to be very
hot for the whole time. Infact, along the trip I had left
articles of clothing like a green jacketand a few things where I was like,
I'm not going to need these things, and you know, lighten my
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load. I'm actually going to makeit through this trip. So I didn't
have a tent, and so whenI got to the the site that I
wanted to camp at, I setup my bag, my sleeping bag,
and you know, my backpack andkind of unpacked a little bit right there.
And I knew that I was goingto encounter a bear or two,
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or however many, and I waspretty concerned about bears on the trip,
and so I packed up all myfood stuff and my stove and hiked way
over to the far side of theescarpment and cooked my dinner. I was
pretty crashed out and wanted to goto bed, and it was kind of
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early, it was maybe just dusk, so late August, and I was
starting to get dark, and I'mlaying there in my bed and I fell
asleep, and I was sleeping hard, and I woke up in the middle
of the night to sound. Itwas really far away and very faint,
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and I could hear it, andat first I thought it's probably an owl.
It kept going and I was kindof trying to go back to sleep,
and the way that I was situatedon the escarpment with my sleeping bag,
I was basically feet facing down thiscanyon or ravine, and it was
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a big canyon. So I keephearing the noise and now reminding you,
this was twenty three years ago,and so I'm remembering this right now,
as I tell you guys, whathappened. So what I was hearing was
repetitive and it just didn't stop.It was still faint and very far away,
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but it was repetitive. So thenI thought, after I thought maybe
it was an owl and I wasjust going to go back to sleep.
Then I thought, well, maybeit's a bugling elk. And so I
was laying there and sure enough itcontinued without pause, and it was over
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and over and over again of whatI originally called this inward howl, and
it was one after the next,and I will tell you that it started
to grow just slightly louder. Andso then I started thinking to myself,
Okay, probably not an owl,maybe not a bugling elk. I did
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think maybe this was a mountain lion. And then eventually I ended up having
some scary thoughts that maybe it wasa man or a person, really a
man that was crazy or drunk waydown in the bottom of a wilderness canyon.
And I have to be honest,that thought and me went away because
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of the unlikelihood of that, andall along it kept going. And so
now I'm in my mind going,what in the world is that, and
it's getting louder, and it keepsgoing, and it's clearly running and howling
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up the creek down at the bottomof this canyon that I'm sleeping up above.
And so I thought, okay,whatever, it is, no problem.
I'm way up here at the topof this canyon and really at the
base of a peak, so there'snothing that could get up here. And
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earlier in the night, when itwas still light, I had definitely looked
over the canyon a bunch, andso I knew that I was right over
like a short cliff base with abig screen field down below and in the
ravine, and it was huge.I mean, the relief in those canyons
can easily be two thousand feet.So as it started to get louder and
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louder and clearly running and calling ordoing whatever it was doing, crying or
wherever you want to call it,all the way up and repetitively, I
started thinking, this thing is runningup the canyon and is running to the
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boulder field the screen pile down below. So then I kind of thought,
well, that'll surely stop it inits tracks. And so the time period
is a little bit foggy in myrecollection. In all honesty, I think
that it was probably about forty fiveminutes of hearing it down in the creek
bottom in the ravine until it gotto what was the boulder field down below,
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and when it got to bolder fieldagain continuously howling or inward howling.
At that point I could start tohear it. I could start to hear
clearly that there was something running andfrankly hauling ass and it was going fast
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through this boulder field, carrying youknow, running and sort of carrying its
body. And I could just startto make out rocks moving, but just
faintly. Obviously at this point itwas much louder. It was right below
me by two hundred feet. Itstarted, you know, kind of propelling
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itself up what was the boulder field. I'm scared, you guys. I
I was so scared. I didn'tknow anything. I didn't know what it
was. I didn't know if itwas coming for me. I just was
laying there as scared as you canimagine, completely breathless, completely motionless,
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and thinking, Okay, it's goingto get to the bottom of the cliff,
and there's no way any bugling elkor crazy person or whatever could climb
up that cliff, and I,being an outdoors person in adventure, I
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was familiar with rock climbing a littlebit. At that point. I went
on to do some more rock climbing, but I knew that, you know,
no one could climb that without ropes. It was easily a five to
nine maybe a five eight pitch.It would have been a crumbly, very
steep cliff face, and it wasat least fifty feet tall, if not,
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I don't know, seventy feet seventyfive feet. Sure enough, the
thing started and you could hear itpulling itself and climbing up the cliff.
And it was really interesting because whenit got to the bottom and started the
climbing was the first that it hadtaken a real break from the howling or
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the whooping, and so it sortof caught its breath, and it had
some that I could hear, somegrunts and some slight pitches, but not
the repetitious whoops that later in thecall. I can describe to you guys
what I heard. But anyways,things started climbing up the cliff, and
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I'm at the very top of it, and I'm just off to the side
of what was a little creek thatsort of defined the escarpment and the cliff
and then down into the ravine.It was just off to sort of the
river right side of that little creekor brook that was really more of ice
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melt from the peak above. Byabout I don't know if I was fifteen
feet or thirty feet, but Iwas right in there, fifteen to thirty
feet off the side of that littlecreek that wouldn't have been more than a
foot or two wide. So Ijust kept laying in my bag and essentially
praying that I wasn't coming to getgobbled up. It continued to climb successfully
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and pretty quickly, and when itgot to the top of the cliff,
it was so amazing. The thingjust pulled itself up and over. It
just used whatever arms it had andhoisted itself up and almost like it jumped
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up and over the top. Soat that moment you put your eyes on
it, you could actually see thething that you've been listening to for the
last forty five minutes at that point, that's correct, and there was moonlight.
I didn't want to move my eyes, I didn't want to move anything.
I didn't want to breathe. Ididn't want to move my eyes or
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my head, but instinct I hadto. I had to see what was,
you know, coming for me orwhatever. And it wasn't coming for
me, I'll tell you that now. But nevertheless, my eyes just went
slowly and steadily to the left andright. Then it started up as if
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it was going to start running again, and took a big breath and sort
of hesitated and stopped just for asplit second and looked and looked at me,
and I looked at it, andthe only thing that I can describe
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of what I saw was similar toa gorilla. I think I scared the
crap out of it. Honestly.I think that it was at that moment
just as scared as I was,and realized it wasn't alone thinking that it
was, and I still didn't moveand was extremely frightened, if not on
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the verge of a heart attack.That's how I am right now. And
at that point, so it looksto the left over, you know,
so we're facing opposite directions, sowe both just barely look to our left,
and as soon as it notices thatthere's someone or something else right there,
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it just stands up and howls andtakes off so fast. Anyways,
it took off and was at thebase of that peak in probably ten minutes,
maybe fifteen minutes, and then itcontinued to climb up that peak,
doing the howl, the travel howlfor another only like twenty or thirty minutes.
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And I'm still laying in my bag, just as scared as can be.
And it stayed up there for hoursand hours until almost sunrise, and
it called the whole time as loudas you can imagine, consistently, one
after the other, and just stayedthere, calling out, stay tuned for
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more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff andBobo will be right back. After these
messages, you said that when itsaw you, what it noticed you up
there, it let out a howl, and then a moment later you referred
to a traveling howl. So thatvocalization that it emitted when it saw you
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was different than the other ones.It was like a it was more of
a grunt. It was more oflike the grunt that I was hearing when
it was climbing, and it waslike a but it was like a hiccup.
Oh okay, okay. And thenthat's the practice I did the same.
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Yeah, I get it. Sothe howl, the travel howl,
that remained pretty consistent from when youfirst started hearing it to when it reached
the top of the mountain of fortyfive minutes an hour or so later.
It was notably consistent and methodical.Okay, Well, to describe that howl,
I'm curious what that was like.It was a whoop along howl,
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a scream, high pitched, lowpitch. The frequency, what can you
tell us about that? So I'vealways described it to my closest confidence as
an inward howl or an inward drawl. And it had a fairly high but
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medium high pitch, and it wasit was created. It would be created
in drawing the lungs in and sothe travel or running how how that's what
I'm calling it would be like wow. So that kind of frequency, like,
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that's how often that happened. Andthat's the approximately the length of the
vocalization you heard as well, fromwhen the moment I heard it until it
got to the bottom of the clifffield or excuse me, the the cliff
in the rock field, it wasconsistent and just like that wow. And
so that was probably close to anhour and a half, maybe two hours
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of hearing that. Oh okay,I had the timeline a little off.
Yeah, Well, so what Iwas saying is it was probably close to
forty five minutes down in the bottomof the ravine, so kind of the
flat area, and then another saytwenty five maybe forty minutes through the rock
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field, and crazy enough, Iwant to say that it climbed that cliff
in like five minutes. It wasfast. Maybe it was ten, but
really I think it was a totalof from the time I started hearing it
to the time it got to memy location was an hour and a half.
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And that's in real person time,not the I'm getting the crap scared
out of me alone in the MarbleMountains time. Imagine it felt like an
eternity for you. It felt likean eternity for sure, And to this
day, I really I do strugglewith putting some real time to that.
But I bet was that a soloextended backpacking trip. I don't think it
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was Bobo No, And I continuedon the trip. I actually had a
goal. I was going to tryand go off route and go in to
the wilderness off trail, but Ireally couldn't find my way with just wayfinding,
and I did not want to getlost, and I knew my dad
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would kill me if I got lost, So I went back to the trail
and continued on and carried out afull It was actually ninety eight mile trips.
That must have changed something with youon that trip, Like that's the
second day in on one hundred miletrip. That certainly must have planted some
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sort of seed in you for therest of the trip, just thinking like,
holy crap, those things are outhere. Those things were out there,
and I knew that, but Iwas in such shock that I put
it in the depths of my mind. I was so focused on doing this
trip, Hello type A, thatI just I wanted to do the trip.
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It was a huge goal for methat whole year, and I just
I didn't want to let it gobecause of this creature that came through my
camp. Were they on your radarbefore that trip? I mean, obviously
of course you were aware of sasquatches, but like, did you think they're
real? Did you think that they'rejust like a normal forest sort of thing
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out there that I could run into? Very much on my radar by then,
because the summer before is when Iworked for the FEDS and spent my
summer up in the Klamath the wholetime. And I'd heard stories and I
read that great book about the biodiversityof the sisq Oh, I know what
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you're talking about, and they mentionedit the klimathnot is that it the Klamath,
Knot that's it? Yeah, thereyou go, good one. Yeah.
So they were just barely in mymind. So that year that I
was working for the FEDS, wewere doing a survey. We were doing
a recreational user survey, and Iactually ended up interviewing this group of cave
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expeditioners that were heading into the Marblesand they were going to try and do
some mapping of the caves. Andthey had mentioned at that interview, you
know, yeah, there's there's cavesout there, and we think that that
is habitat and home to some ofthe Sasquatch and possibly last remaining Sasquatch on
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the planet. And at the time, I mean I was even a year
younger then, So when I waslike eighteen, I kind of was like,
huh, okay, marked that onein the books. And so,
I mean I knew that there wasthe concept of these things being out there.
And like I said, I youknow, I grew up as an
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outdoors person with my dad, butnothing like what I had actually experienced.
You had on your one the yearbefore. You've made an interesting observation.
You thought that it sounded like Iwas wounded. Yeah. So the reason
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why I was turned on to thebook That Klamath Not was I met an
individual out there and I myself andmy partner, my working partner, who
I wish I could get a holdof, but I have no idea how
to get a hold of this person. Anyways, he and I both had
this creature come through our camp lateone night, and it was it was
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like limping and dragging a foot,so it was like and it was doing
this same kind of almost like ahowl or howl or a whoop, but
it was more of a cry andit cried out and it was just parallel
to us. And that was rightthere on the Klamath River, and it
was parallel to us, and itwas it was seemingly injured just by the
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sound, but we couldn't see it. We were shining our flashlights up there,
we couldn't see anything. And thenit just stopped. There was nothing
for like probably ten minutes, andthen there was this splash in the river
and we think that it jumped inthe river and swam off. Oh so
you had an entirely different encounter theyear before during that when you're working for
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the FEDS. Is that what I'mgoing right? Right? Okay, right?
But I mean hearing in pose itinjured sasquatch, Yeah, was pretty
far from my fathom ability. Anduh and then so yeah, you're right,
Cliff, there was somewhere in theback of my mind where I was
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aware that these creatures possibly existed,and so on the rest of my trip,
I just kind of I really putit. I put it in the
back of my mind and ended upcoming into, uh, within three feet
of a huge black bear. Andthat had me more concerned than yeah,
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than than the first the first guy. Okay, so I got to ask,
as you happen to look around yourcampsite for footprints the next morning where
the thing walked through your camp.Definitely, I packed up and looked around,
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and I was on I was ona rock face. There was nothing,
nothing, and they and the summerbefore when the alleged injured one came
through. We looked for footprints inthe It was one of those spots on
the river where it's really rocky,but then there's those perfect fine sand,
little sand beaches and we couldn't seeanything, no tracks. Okay, you
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know what's interesting was that you guysgot the census thing was asking you for
help in the first Yes, absolutely, Sorry, what do you mean by
that? Yeah, tell me aboutthat because Bubbo knows a lot more about
your encounter than I do, soI don't know anything, so laid on
me. Okay, well it okay, I'll tell that story from the beginning.
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That one. I guess I've alwayshad a harder time with that one
because I didn't see it. Ionly heard it. But I'll tell you
all about it. So my workpartner and I were, you know,
working for the FED, so wewere out camping. It was a total
internship and making no money. Itwas great, but we were We would
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find all these different places to campand this one spot was like this old
this like old road river access andwe took the cars down there and we
were like, hey, I thinkthis would be a good spot to sleep.
So we ate some food at ourcars and then we, you know,
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gathered up our bags and just ploppedthem down on the river, and
we each we each kind of grabbedone of those little sandy beach spots,
like that was our own little campsite. And so he was easily twenty feet
away from me, my buddy.And so we went to sleep, and
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I had I was again no tent, but I'm in my sleeping bag,
and I had all my belongings aroundme, you know, my journal,
my book, my headlamp, andI had a knife. So we go
to sleep, and I was atthat time, I was asleep too,
and I wake up to the soundof this step drag, step drag through
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what was like oak tree litter orduff. And it went on for a
while. It was down the waya bit, and it just kept getting
closer up towards us, and allwe could hear was step drag, step
drag, and it stopped right aboveus, and it cried, and it
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was like, you know that onethat one I want. I'll embarrass myself
if I try to mimic it.But it was this this cry for help
is what it seemed like. Andwe were flashing our lights up there.
We couldn't see anything, and Ieventually I put my light down and I
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was gripping my knife, but Isort of let down my guard because I'm
like, and I even said overto Ben, I go, Ben,
what is it? And by thenI sort of let my guard down because
it was almost like a emotional Itwasn't threatening. And we just sat there
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for a little while it all stopped, and I'll be honest, I fell
asleep. I fell asleep, andI woke up to the splash, the
sound of the splash of the river. It's draining when you're when you're in
a tense situation like that, likeand your adrenaline is pumping for hours,
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it's so so like it's just drainedyour whole body, no kidding. So
yeah, So I sometimes get embarrassedon that one that I'm like, yeah,
I passed out. I just plumbpassed out, because I it was
just like what in the heck?And and we both did we both passed
out cold, so it could have, you know, come right past us.
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And we looked for we looked forany kind of tracks in the dusk
the next day where it was walkingon the beach in the sand all around,
and it didn't see anything. Well, we thought for a long time.
They're probably pretty aware of their footprints, so that's not too surprising.
I guess at the end of theday, I want to ask you a
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little bit about the what you actuallyvisually observed, you know, so fast
forward a year. I guess fromthat that the Olympia encounter, you said
that it looked like a gorilla.Can you describe what you saw from the
top of the head down to whereveryou lost it, you know, to
steep presumably, So from the topof the head it had a big,
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blackish brown, squatty head, abig face. I still did stake and
look right into its eyes, bigeyes, big bright eyes, kind of
a flat face. And the waythat it turned its neck, it's like
it had no neck, and itjust turned completely to the side, almost
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without moving its shoulders. And theshoulders were very broad and wide and huge
and draping down with these large arms, kind of in a forward motion.
So it had just climbed itself upand over this rock face, and at
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that point it sort of stopped andwas about to propel itself to take off
for the mountain, when I thinkit realized that it was not alone.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyondwith Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
back after these messages. So itsort of hunched forward, almost like startled.
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Shoulders come forward, just slightly turning, but the neck turns completely like
ninety degrees over towards me, andthen down the whole back. I can
see its rump and just black blackishbrown fur the whole way down into the
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legs, muscular legs. I canpicture it right now. I mean I
saw muscles. The thing was hugeand ripped and broad and covered in her
So it must have been a prettygood moon out. You said that earlier,
but I believe it was like afew days prior to a full moon.
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Yeah, on a rock escarpment,of course, that reflects. And
you know, I've done a lotof backpacking in the Sierras, for example,
and camping on those granite faces.It almost is like daylight under the
moon conditions. It's ridiculous. Soyeah, and my eyes were just cranked
in that direction. I didn't movemy body at all, so you know,
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all I could see was what myeyes could see in a slightly turned
and really periphery. But I sawit, and that's what I saw.
You might have said this in yourinitial description, but refreshing my memory if
you did, how far away wereyou from it from where it came up
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over the cliff and when it firstnoticed you? Yeah, so I was
on one side of the creek anywherebetween, you know, fifteen twenty feet
maybe thirty at the most. Andit was just on the other side of
that little creek or brook by likefive or ten feet. Oh so you're
withorin like forty fifty feet up fromthis thing. Oh yeah, I think
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that I was within thirty feet.Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's horribly
close. I'm a forester. Iknow what thirty feet is. Yeah,
you know, most people don't,honestly, and and I don't want to
slam people or anything, but peopleare just terrible at distances. I'm sure.
Because you're a forester, you dependon your estimation of distances for a
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lot of what you do, youknow, planting trees or whatever. I
don't know. There's probably a millionthings you do that I have no idea
about. But to have the laymansay, oh, it was ten feet
for me, then that's like,okay, well maybe that's fifty. Maybe
that's thirty you know, don't reallyknow, but you're confident in your ability
to judge distances at this point,right, Yeah, And I've relived the
experience in my mind enough and nowknowing what thirty feet is, confidently that's
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that's always the number I come backto. And I'm looking at thirty feet
away from you right now, andI'm like, yep, yeah, that
was horrifically close, you know,thirty feet ten yards. That's ridiculous,
and so honestly, I don't knowthat it so it was slightly hunched forward,
not on all fours, but justenough to where those arms and shoulders
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were forward. I don't think itwas much more than eight feet tall.
Maybe standing completely upright, it couldhave been ten. But I you know,
like when I went to the museumin Felton and they have that like
the peak through and those things arelike fifteen feet tall, Like, whoa,
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I didn't see anything that was fifteenfeet tall. Just for your guys'
records, what I saw, Ireally think was about eight to ten feet
tall. Yeah. I imagine youspent some time with topo maps because you're
doing this trip and you're doing youmight want to go off trail and the
whole thing. I'm curious why,of all places it walked exactly where you
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were. I mean, it's that'swhat are the chances of that unless it
was a path of least resistance insome way to get to the top of
that mountain? Perhaps, do youhave any insight or thoughts on that?
Yeah, I was off trail.I was. I was off in a
place that you know, wouldn't havebeen right off of a trail on a
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TOBO map. And when I kindof was peeking around that that first lake
that I thought I would get toand camp at, I sort of peeked
around and just went you know,the extra not even quarter mile and sort
of looked and was like, whatin the world, it's this huge rock
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escarpment, Like I'm camping there?That's the spot. Did the creature drop
by the lake on the way andlike after it left you on the way
to the top of the mountain?No, there was no, there was
do not pass go. It wentfrom me directly up and continued on its
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already determined route. It knew whereit was going and did not stop and
went directly from the little creek orbrook that I was on and followed that
up to the peak and the lake. That little lake would have been off
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to the west by a good quartermile. That it's one of the things
we've noticed over the years, likeyeah, tracked a few Sasquatches in our
time. Then one of the thingsthat comes at is sometimes they're meandering about,
you know, and the stride thatthe step lengths are usually shorter and
all that kind of meandering, likethey're just kind of poking around, maybe
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looking for something in particular. Butthere are other times in cases when they
seem to be going somewhere, likethey have a goal in mind and for
whatever, for whatever reason. Andyou can tell that sometimes because the step
length is longer, for example,but they seem to hone in on the
direction they need to go, andthey go that way and nothing gets in
their way. If something's there,they might go around something that's insurmountable,
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some sort of obstacle, but generallyspeaking, they'll go over whatever it is
and just goes straight there, youknow, just just you know, as
the crow flies, as they say, no matter what's in their way.
So maybe this is one of thosecases. Perhaps, right, I've thought
about the path a lot, andI think that it was either a path
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that it had traveled before multiple times, or it was it was you know,
just pre established it was. Itwas definitely a direct route. It
knew where it was going. Doyou have any speculations on why it might
have been going there? I do. The week after my trip ended,
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I was meeting up with some friendsto go climb at Mount Shasta and to
go climb the peak, and I'lljust tell you guys, I didn't make
it. I did not sum itbecause I was so worn out from from
the hiking trip and my friends actuallyleft me at the at the start.
We you know, I made itto base camp, but it's a big
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it's a big climb to go atMount Shasta. Well, we will tell
anybody it didn't make it. It'sjust broadcast that no one listens to this,
that's all right. Yeah. SoI was so worn out from from
the trip that I stayed back atour base camp. But when we had
gone down after that to the littlecampground for just like a after trip camp
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out before we go head headed backhome, I met this this woman at
the campground there and we I waswith a group of girlfriends and so we
had kind of befriended her and abunch of people that she was camping with
and they, you know, itwas a campground, so they kind of
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had a party that night. Andshe was this really nice lady and she
noticed that I was limping and shewas like, what's wrong. Why are
you limping? And I was like, oh, my knee hurts. I
kind of blew it out. Ijust finished up a big hike and it's
really sore. And she was like, oh, well, I do reiki
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reiky healing. Do you do youwant me to do like a little reiki
treatment on you? And I'm likesure, And so we sit down and
I give her my knee and she'syou know, rubbing my knee and doing
whatever. And she was really interesting. She goes, so you just went
on a big backpacking trip, abig hiking trip by yourself. I'm like
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yeah. She's like that's interesting,and she kind of was looking at me
funny, and I was like,yeah, this it's really strange thing happened
to me on the trip. Andshe was like, oh, tell me.
I was like, well, itwas pretty wild. I'm like,
i'll tell you. But and soshe just listened and she listened to my
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whole recollection of what had just happened. And I didn't even tell my girlfriends
when we went up to Shasta,I didn't even tell them, So she
was essentially the very first person whoI told, and she listened to my
story the whole way through, andshe said, I'm a Kaduk Indian and
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my father's Koduk and has been goingup every summer, late summer and every
once in a while. I don'tknow what his pattern is, but my
father goes up to the tops ofthe peaks and records sasquatches doing their mating
calls. And I think that that'swhat you experienced was a sasquatch mating call.
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I'll bet it if you can figureout what that peak was. I'm
sure that every year on that samepeak. Yeah, I can figure it
out. I've looked at it inthe past. They just haven't come up
with a map file, but Ican do that. But it made a
lot of sense to me when shesaid that, I was like, of
course, well, yeah, thereare there are very many reasons animals vocalized
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in general. I mean that becauseyou know, they don't want to be
they don't want to give their spotaway, they give themselves away, and
mating I suppose would be top onthe list, I guess, you know,
unless they're like highly social like birdsor something like that. You always
chirping back and forth to one anotherhumans for that matter. And that's kind
of something I bring up quite often, is when you hear a sasquatch vocalize,
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chances are it's not doing that forits own benefit. It's that most
animals don't talk to themselves. Inother words, humans are kind of special
in that way, and there mightbe another one nearby, and that's something
that you need to keep in mind. I think, Yeah, awesoppressed,
you didn't hear one to answer atall, not at all. Yeah,
because that's a lot. That's expendingan awful lot of calories to get to
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at one certain location, you know, because that's climbing straight up to the
top of a mountain. Basically,that's not easy under any circumstance. So
to get up there and then hootand holler until morning time, there must
be a darn good reason to expendall those calories doing it, and certainly
mating would be one of them,just because a rare species like this that's
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spread very thinly across the landscape hasto have some sort of trouble finding other
sasquatches. Now, now let meask you this real fast. And I
know that you probably didn't see it'sjunk or anything like that, but did
you get the impression this was amale or a female? And really early
on got the impression that it wasa male. When it was down in
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the bottom of the canyon. Itimmediately was like, is a crazy man
a drunk guy coming for me?Yeah? I thought that was interesting that
you've suspected, even for a moment, that this might be a human.
So there must have been something aboutthe vocalization that reminded you of a human
in some sort of way. Staytuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
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and Bogo. We'll be right backafter these messages. So, now you're
a forester for a living. Haveyou heard other people who work for the
Forestry Service or FEDS or anything likethat talk about sasquatch encounters that they've had.
I only have one friend who's ina slightly related position and career share
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another story. But I have tobe totally honest with you. I really
don't cross mingle the sasquatch sighting withmy professional forestry career. I've you know,
when I've shared the story and myrecollection, I've been really ridiculed,
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and even by close friends. Luckilynot any of my family. It's pretty
cool. My family supports me andwhat I saw, but I've borderline lost
friends over this story, and soI tend to keep it separate from my
forestry career. I've shared it witha few people, but you know,
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there has to be a lot oftrust there first, and more of a
friendship. But I do have afriend who is in a related hydrology field,
and he and his wife had actuallycome across one up in the Feather
River Canyon apparently and allegedly was likea juvenile, And they pulled into this
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remote campsite up in the Feather RiverCanyon off the highway, and when they
pulled in, their headlights were shiningon this short, kind of squatty kid
like sasquatch that peered out just frombehind the tree, kind of walked out,
stared at it right in the headlights, and then ran off. I
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could be incorrect about this, becauseI mean, obviously I live, and
just like Bobo, we both livepretty bigfoot centric lives, you know,
our lives are you know, we'rebasically drowning in the subject. So we
probably have a skewed perception on someof this, but it seems to me,
at least set the Forest Service anda lot of those sort of folks
in general forest tree people are kindof opening up a little bit more to
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it. Like, for example,I live on timberland and therefore I get
like a tax deferment because I haveforests on my property, you know.
And so I've been dealing a lotwith the Malala District guys because they have
to come out and inspect my propertybecause the previous owners clear cut it and
they want to make sure I replantit and all that sort of stuff to
kind of keep my forest deferment formy property taxes. And I talked to
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them about bigfoot stuff. They haven'tseen it, but they're pretty open to
it, and they have they havesome good questions and whatever. And as
listeners of the podcast will know,this past fall, mountain Hood some well
some not not an official capacity,but rangers from the mountain Hood National Forests
reached out to me because they gotsasquatch Sighting reported to them. So it
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seems that that that icy wall issomewhat breaking down to some degree at least.
Maybe it's just because the old theolder folks are retiring or dying off
and the new generations coming in andthey're a little bit more open to that
sort of thing, or I don'tknow what it is, But can you
comment at all about anything that I'vejust said, Like, do you think
that's true at all? Or whatdo you what are your thoughts? I
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think I think that the icy wallyou describe is is coming down, but
it just doesn't do the the scientificcommunity any justice that it's not you know,
a classified specie species. It's notyou know, keyed out as a
living existing thing. And so that'swhere I mean, once it is adopted
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as a as a as a classifiedprimate mammal, then that wall's gone.
But without having that scientific you know, background of a scientific name, it's
going nowhere. Yeah, yeah,what do you what do you think is
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going to happen? Because you knowthese are I mean obviously you know they're
real, clearly you know, Andit's only therefore, in my opinion,
it's really only a matter at timeuntil the type specimen is brought in.
What do you think that will looklike from your end, like how it
will affect your job and and howhow do you think it will go down?
Basically, how it would affect mymy career is you know, it
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would probably for one, open upa bunch of experiences and encounters that people
have never reported and just go,yep, I saw one here, I
saw one here, and those storieswill be coming out of the woodwork.
And secondly, I mean at thatpoint would probably be identified as somewhat endangered,
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if not extinct species, and sothere would be protection measures I would
hope put into place, and sothat would be That would be good,
Yeah, because it would have toimmediately I imagine, be declared endangered even
if it's not, and I don'tthink they are necessarily, but I think
it would be immediately declared as endangereduntil a thorough ecological study could be done,
(49:38):
and you know the way these thingsare, that could take a decade
man, right, That would itwould be really beneficial I think for the
protection and for the the knowledge thatit is a not a hoax or be
not some you know, mythical creature. Yeah, I would It would validate
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a whole lot of witness is thatit would go. It would validate entire
cultures, like the indigenous cultures ofNorth America. They would get such a
validation to their stories and unique oraltraditions. But it also, you know,
you said the whole lot of storieswill come out. I would also
predict that a whole lot of videosand photographs will come out that people have
(50:23):
just been sitting on because they don'twant to be thought a fool or the
local drunk or something like that,and hopefully some immediate protection measures. So
I'll sit on that panel for sure. Oh fantastic. Well, so,
Sarah Bobo and I have both heardfrom more than one source that people are
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very high up in the government areaware of these things. But what do
you have any thoughts on some sortof overarching conspiracy or some nonsense or I
think most conspiracy conspiracies are nonsense personally. So are there any conspiracy conspiratorial thought
in your mind about this, becauseobviously there would be a huge economic issue
(51:07):
for closing off a lot of landand all this other stuff, because we
all saw what the snailed art fish, the consequences of that, or the
consequences of the spotted owl in thePacific Northwest. I mean, I would
say that the logging industry still hasn'treally fully recovered from that whole ordeal.
Do you think there's any sort ofconspiracy amongst any level of government that's a
(51:30):
concerted effort or do you think it'sjust individuals not really wanting to talk about
it. Yeah, I would Iwouldn't know enough to know about a concerted
effort. But what comes to mindis I think it's more in my industry
specifically. I think it's more almostof a jealous feeling that they haven't seen
(51:52):
one and so they immediately knock itdown. Now at the higher level,
you know, with leadership, governmentdecision makers, I'm honestly at a loss
of why this isn't a you know, a documented species, and so so
(52:13):
I've had, you know, thoughtsof my own of is there is there
some sort of conspiracy to to protector to hide this creature from legitimacy.
I mean, I've had that thoughtmyself a lot, because I saw what
I saw and it's still not abelieved creature for the most part, and
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so it's it's actually kind of frustrating, not kind of it's very frustrating.
From my end, it's there's someemotions that go along with it, like
embarrassment and like I said, maybejealousy from the others, you know,
and especially with this species of allof them, because you know, we
study the other apes, for example, to learn more about ourselves. That's
(53:00):
our biological family, right, andyou think that like, oh, here's
an opportunity to learn so much moreabout where we came from. Like why
wouldn't they just jump on this.It just doesn't make sense to me at
all. But so I've always thoughtlike, if there is some sort of
effort, it's really a passive effort. I mean, people aren't going out
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and you know, squat and blackpeople in like black SUVs, aren't picking
up dead ones on the side ofthe road, in my opinion, or
anything like that. Although I've heardmore than my fair share of stories like
that. I've heard of stories probablyonce every two weeks. In my Bigfoot
museum up here by Portland, Oregon, somebody comes in asks me about these
conspiratorial ideas of helicopters whisking dead bigfootsaway from Mount Saint Helens after it blew
(53:44):
in nineteen eighty. But if thereis a conspiracy, it must be an
awful passive one, something like,well, the bigfoots seem to be taken
care of themselves pretty well, solet's not expend any resources towards this because
they got out under control. Yeah. Yeah, that's a happy thought.
I'm going to go with that one. And I think I think we're all
leaning on you, Cliff and Bobo, to help us, you know,
(54:07):
help the species become something that's validated, recognized, and approved by the scientific
community. Well, shoot, thishas been a good one, Cliff.
What do you think that was ourbest witness testimony so far? I'd say
that this is fantastic. Just theproximity, the encounter, the observations you
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made, and knowing that we're speakingto a legit, you know, forestry
professional here, all of those thingsjust tie into this beautiful situation that you
brought us. Man, that isan amazing encounter. Thank you so much,
Boba for setting us up, andthank you so much Sarah for joining
us. Absolutely honored you guys.Thank you so much, And like I
said, I really appreciate your guyswork. I've been following you guys and
(54:53):
watching the shows and now listening tothis podcast, and and I really look
up to you guys. This isthis is truly an honor, and today's
talk has been a dream come true. Nerd. I used to watch the
(55:14):
show a bunch and I'm like,oh, come on, Cliff yelling at
you from from my living room.Well, you know, people yelled at
me on set too, So yeah, I was always having to keep that
guy straight. Yeah. I thinkI had Bobo to point the way for
me. Yeah. Good. Well, if you see anything else out in
(55:35):
the woods or here's something, youlet us know and come back on.
Okay, I will do that.Quit my day job. Oh yeah,
quit your day jobs. Do bigfootstuff full time. And there's no money
in it, but holy smokes,it's a lot of fun. That was
great. All right, Thank youso much, sir, Thank you guys.
Bye. So Bobo man, thatthat was a great witness. I
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can't believe you pulled one out likethat. That was amazing. Yeah,
and you recognize that story. I'msure read off the bat. I have
read it. I have read it, but you know, things get jumbled
in my mind, you know,like all these all these basically all the
reports from the last twenty five twentysix years of doing this just get all
jumbled up, so it's nice tohave a refresher course, especially when it's
straight from the witness's mouth. Yeah. She was excellent relaying details, and
(56:23):
her memory was great. Her observationalskills were great. I mean, and
she's cautious. She even said,like I at one point she said,
I'm not so sure that, soI'm not gonna say it, you know,
like I think it was the peakof the mountain if I remember right.
She's cautious about what she's saying tomake sure that everything she's saying is
accurate. And I so appreciate thatfrom a witness instead of just making something
(56:44):
up or answering even though they maynot be one hundred percent for sure,
right right, Yeah, those arethe witnesses everyone dreams about talking to you.
Yeah. Yeah, fantastic man,So thank you, Bob. So
that was amazing. Yeah, wegot some great guests coming up, so
if you listen to this one,folks, we got more coming for you.
And until next time, keep itSquatchy. Thanks for listening to this
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