October 11, 2024 • 40 mins
Here's another listener favorite from the Clobo Archives! In this "classic" episode from June of 2023, Cliff and Pruitt speak with a witness who had a frighteningly close encounter with multiple sasquatches. Additionally, Bobo regales his compatriots with the hilarious reason for his absence during the interview!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
With Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so
like to say subscribe and raid it, Tim Star and
me just go on yesterday and listening, oh watching them
always keep it's watching.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey, Bobs, how you doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
What's up? Cliff?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I just got done with an amazing interview with a
fantastic witness. You missed it, man. Barbara was awesome and
for all you listeners, you're gonna be able to hear
what Barbara has to stay in just a few minutes
after this. But Bobo had some issues today.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I tried got downe with physical theory because yesterday my phone,
my recording set up wasn't working so good.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I needed to get new headphones.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
And I went to Target and got him and got
back on his you know, they got back and said
like ten minutes before we were going to start records, like,
oh great, I made it in time.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, and kudos to you, Bobs, because you called me
an hour beforehand. It says Cliff, I'm going to go
to the Target and get new headphones, which we I
applaud you for because we've had problems with your headphones
for a few weeks now, and you got back right
right when you told me you were going to. It
was like three oh five when when I was on
the call or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And I got back fifteen minutes before that. I was
trying to break in.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Oh, I was trying to break into what my house.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I I had a key made, like god, I was
like probably a year and a half ago, and it
was for the house. And you know, they give you
that little janky little key ring, like that little cheap
thin one.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, the one. You're supposed to throw that away, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
But I just clipped it on my key ring and
I've had it for like a year and a half
and it it actually came off about six or seven
weeks ago and I put it on. I was like,
I gotta remember to go to the you know, the
locksmith or the hardware store and get a copy made
and get a and get a real real key ring,
you know.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And fricking thing I didn't hear it fall off.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It was you know, it's the parking uncil right along
the one O one freeway and there's cars and people
and so I just didn't hear it fall, I guess,
and I get home and I was like, oh man,
And then so I went, we have a hide the key.
When I got the hide the key didn't it was
the wrong key.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So you lost your house key and then your highe
to key wasn't the right key.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah it was. It was.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It was a it was a quick set lock, and
it was a quick set. It looked just like it. It
looked just like it, but it didn't. It didn't work,
and I knew it was. I was like going, I
don't know if this is the right one because it
wasn't all like the weather one we had.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
There's another for like a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So it's like fully like got salt damage to it,
you know, it's you know, this thing's been sitting on
the beach for a couple of years. So I was like,
this thing's pretty smooth. I don't know I noticed that
one was. I thought I was just put out a
new key and then doesn't work at all. I was
just like, oh my god. So then I was able
to gimmy up at like I climbed up on my
neighbors trash cans because the bathroom windows probably about nine feet.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
The bottom is about nine feet off the ground.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And I was like trying to stack ash cans and
make it not wobbly to climb up to get in
the window. And I got the window open, like I
had to like pound it without breaking it to get
the stick that we put in there to keep it
like locked.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Because there's no lock on it, it rested away.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Of course, I got that stick to fault and I
got the window all the way open then, but I
was only to about my neck to the window, and
I was trying to hop up. I couldn't pull myself
up and get in the window. It was such a
tight squeeze because it's a small window. Then I got
stuck there for like two minutes. I was like killing
my chest. I couldn't breathe. I was like, oh my god.
So I got down. I got that without falling. Actually
(03:35):
that was good. I was like, Okay, I gotta find
someone to climb in this window. Someone, you know, something
smaller there knowing around like these are like the workers
were around here like working on their houses and stuff,
and they were all gone. I was like, oh man,
I was just looking around for somebody. Then I walked down.
I was like, oh, it's like three three fifteen or whatever.
(03:56):
I'm like, you know, those kids are coming home from
school usually around now. I'll get one of them. So
I walked down with a couple of blocks down to
the main street. There's a bunch of kids that walked
down that road now because of the school bus drop smoff,
and they've they've been caught on. We had we had
a rash of breakings the last year, not not the
last couple of months, but the people had them on
their on their doorbell cameras and stuff like these junior
(04:20):
high kids and high school teen kids breaking into people's
houses all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh yeah, you might as well put You might as
well put their skills to good use.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Then that's what I was thinking. I'm like, these kids
got experienced with this stuff. Then I started thinking like,
I don't want to get too old of a kid,
because then I know how to get into this place,
and I don't want to become a target. So I
was like, I don't want to get too like, you know,
a like I want to get a kid that looks
like like a boy scout, not like you know, some
skate punk kid that looked like one of my friends
growing up, some hooligan or something. So I was like,
(04:48):
I see these two kids, like two boys walking up
and I was like, oh, perfect, they look like fifth
sixth grade or something. Well, hey, what's up to you guys?
Like kind of stranger danger, you know. It's like they
kind of like I said it, like hot nod the high,
like hello whatever, And hey, you guys want to ex
some money. I go give you like five bucks if
you go climb in my back my bathroom window. I'm
(05:09):
locked out, and just go in and unlock the door
for me. The kid like kind of looks at all.
They look at each other and looks about me, and
I'm like, look, I'll give you ten bucks. Like they
start walking away faster than their eyes are all big,
and they they scared and they just started running.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I was like, oh. I was like, oh my god,
they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Run home until their parents and some guy try to
kidnap them, you know, like hey want some candy, you know,
he want some money, Come with me and climb in
this bathroom window.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And they just took off front of the night.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I took off front of the other way, and I
was sitting out front, just waiting for the cops to
pull up.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I'm like, oh, I got to explain this one.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, try to sneak them into your house somehow, right right?
Not a good look, bobo, It's not a good looks.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
It's one of those things like you know, you get
caught that situation, like but really I was just you know,
like you just look guilty no matter what.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, no matter what. And and anybody doesn't know your
background would say that doesn't happen to people.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
There's no way that you lost a key on a
key chain and then your fake the other one doesn't work.
And this is this is nonsense.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It's like watching an episode of Sign Fell with Kramer
or something exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well that you live like that? Man, how do you?
How do you deal with your life? Man?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Like I hate it?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It just must be so frustrating.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It is because I was back on time, like I
was gonna be all set ready to go have my
new equipment, and then also I don't have my key,
and then the key in the highest spot is the
wrong key.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Weird.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, well you missed a great witness. Unfortunately her name
is Barbara and uh and I guess you'll be listening
to the podcast. It's like all of our listeners will
be listening after this. So I guess with this, Bobs,
why don't we just cut to my interview with Barbara
and you can enjoy the episode along with everyone else.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, I want to hear this. I'm even raving about her, man,
I'm so bound. I missed her.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I just.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
She super cool, She's one hundred percent legit, man, and
she had a crazy encounter. So listeners, Bobo, feast your
ears on.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
This well do.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Hello? Everybody, Welcome to another episode of Bigfan Beyond with
Cliff and every once in a while Bobo. Bobo is
not here, although he is currently as I say this,
desperately trying to break into his own house. That's true.
I'd rather Bobo get to tell you this story. And
I mean, I've been to Bobo's house. I know what
(07:37):
it looks like, I know the quality of the house.
It really should not be that hard to break into
the house. A good push on the front wall would
collapse half of it. So I really think that we
will be hearing from Bobo at some time in the
next hour, but I cannot guarantee that. I wish I could,
and I'll tell you it is quite the story this time.
As you know, Bobo has a cloud of chaos following
(07:59):
him around wherever he goes, just like pig Pen from
the Snoopy cartoon has a cloud of filth following him around.
But chaos has struck again. Murphy's Law has struck again.
Bobo is Jess Bobo, and there's nothing any of us
can do about it, not even Bobo. But at the
same time, that's the reason we all love Bobo, isn't it.
(08:20):
Bobo is himself, unabashedly and unapologetically, and he's a victim
of himself, unfortunately, and today's another example of that. But
hopefully Bobo can break into his own house and turn
on the computer and join us in the next few
minutes or hour or something. We'll see, because Bobo's gonna
be super bummed. He's going to miss this one. We
(08:41):
have a fantastic guest today. We've brought in this witness.
This woman's name's Barbara. She came into the NABC last
week or something like that, and I took a siding
report from her, and it was just one of those
siding reports that I just knew I had to share
with the larger public. It is so great, so dramatic,
and so unusual. I just knew I had to share
(09:03):
it with you, guys. And because you know how I
have about sightings. Most sightings are the thing ran ran
across the road or standing on the side of the road,
and it's a point on a map. It is a
place and a time on a map that points us
to maybe where we can look for sasquatches in the future.
But this one, this one's a little special in some ways,
and you'll see what I mean. So Barbara, by the way,
(09:24):
if there's a also, I want to let you guys
know that Matt Prude is a fantastic producer and he's
going to make this sound as good as possible. But
Barbara is actually sitting in the same room as me
right now. So if you feel that this podcast is
not the same audio quality or something like that, that's
why I know Matt's going to do a great job
cleaning it up and making it sound great. But Barbara
(09:44):
and I are sitting around a microphone together upstairs at
the North American Bigfoot Center right now, So if you
probably hear some of the room noise, room ambiance and
that sort of thing, so I wanted to explain that
as well. But Barbara, thank you very much for coming
on Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff, and every once in
a while, Bobo, thank you.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Cliff.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's nice to be here. Yeah, thank you, thank you
so much. Well, let's start by talking about your background
a little bit, because you are a very competent observer
because of some of the things you've done in your life,
like law enforcement, for example. So can you tell us
a little bit about your background. Sure.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I have degrees in building inspection, plans examining and worked
in Marion County doing that until the housing crunch in
the eighties, and then I went into law enforcement because
there's no shortage of criminals.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, and I don't think there ever will be.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I stayed there with Mountinoeu MC County for sixteen years
as a deputy, and after that I retired.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Were you a beat copper, just a dust thing or
what were you doing for that? Because my father was
a sheriff, so there's all sorts of roles. What did
you do?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I did everything from courthouse to transports. When I injured
my knees, I ended up with three total knees. Then
I went in inside the correctional facilities as I could
work for controls and things like that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Great.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Okay, Now the sighting that was before you became a
law enforcement officer? Is that right? Correct? Okay? Okay, very good.
Now had you ever thought about sasquatches before the sighting
at all?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Or I'd heard about Bigfoot? But I used to laugh
because I thought these people were bonkers. I didn't believe
in Bigfoot at all.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Okay, And just to set the scene here, your sighting
happened when nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty one, the first
or second weekend in July. Okay, very good. Well let's
just start from there, like what were you doing, who
were you with? And how did you get to the spot,
all that sort of stuff. So you're just tell us
the whole story, and I'll prompt you if I need
(11:46):
to about questions you think. Okay.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I was dating a man who was a Native American Indian.
He was six foot seven, very bold build. Because of
his Indian heritage, was able to gain entrance to like
the Yumatilla Reservation where we ended up going that weekend
and we chased some wild horses swam in the river
and just kind of spent the whole day there. And
(12:09):
he said he knew his favorite campsite, which was up
in above Prineville, about twenty miles up on an old
logging trail, and he used to go bowl and arrow
hunting from the time he was twelve up in that area.
So we had his jeep. The ride up the logging
trail was pretty hazardous because it had washed down in
(12:31):
several spots, but we made it to the top and
there was a small plateau and the plateau ended. It
was the end of the trail from the logging trail,
but under one of the trees was a small, miniature,
beautiful little spring, kind of like a mini crater lake.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So actual like a pitfull of water kind of or
is it a spring seeping out of the ground.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
No, it was a pit full of water right at
these the roots of a tree, and you could see
quite it weighs down into the water.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's crystal clear. And this is at the top of
the mountain, so there's no other water sources nearby.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah, we were about thirty to fifty feet from the
ridge going over the mountain. So anyway, we made a campfire,
had dinner, and we were pretty tired from the day's activities,
so we went to bed in a pup tent, and
about three thirty in the morning, this got awful, screeching, screaming.
(13:38):
It's hard to describe. It made your body vibrate, it
hurt your ears, and it was just one after another,
and we had no idea what was going on. So
he said to get out of the tent, and it
was pitch blackout. We couldn't see our hand in front
of our face. The fire had gone now, so we
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stood with our backs up against a tree and we
couldn't figure out what it was. We couldn't hear each
other as we were standing side by side because it
was so.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Loud, so you couldn't hear yourself over the screaming that
woke you up.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
No, because we both had guns. He had a forty
five and I had my thirty eight. And he said,
after a few minutes of this, he said, I'm going
to fire up in the air and see if it
scares whatever it is off. And I said, if you do,
we're dead. And I truly believed that. So he stepped
forward into the jeep and he pulled a switch. I
(14:36):
don't know what it turned on the headlights. Oh, okay,
how far away was the jeep from the tree? Two
or three feet?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Oh? So it was right there. You didn't have to
make a break ford for twenty feet or something. No,
it was right there.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
And turned on the lights and we saw three bigfoot.
He was not a believer in bigfoot. He'd heard legends
from his tribe that his grandmother used to tell him
don't go out hunting after dark because there's a name
that the Cherokee Nation has for bigfoot. I can't pronounce
it right now, But he used to laugh at that,
(15:09):
thinking she was just overprotective. Where were the sasquatches that
you saw when the lights came on? Probably ten feet
in front of the jeep.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So right there, right in the spotlights, right there? Wow? Well,
what did they look like? Describe those to us? Or
were they all? Were they all the same or were
they different? Or what would they look like?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
They appeared to be about the same height, They weren't touching,
they were side by side, and I noticed they didn't
have a neck. They had a concave head shape of.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
The conical shape.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, and all I could basically see was their eyes.
They were very dark color. We could tell they were angry.
They were just I wish I could better describe the noise.
It was unbelievable. It was horrifying. Was it a high
pitched shriek or a low thing or very high pitched?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Very high.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I couldn't even reach that pitch if I tried. It
was extremely high pitched. Were they the screams long and
drawn out? Or were they short bursts? Or they were
shorter in time wise? But they were communicating. One would scream,
and then we would hear some behind us or one
(16:26):
I can't tell, I didn't see it, and then the
other would. They were communicating with it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So the three that you saw right in front of
the jeep, ten or so feet in front of the jeep,
you would see one of them scream, and then one
behind you in the dark would answer, yes, it s fun.
So it'd be safe to say there were at least
four there.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Exactly, Okay, three that I could see in the rest.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I have no idea. Okay, Now, what color were the sasquatches?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Dark?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Very dark brown to black dark brand and all three
the same more less the same color? Yes? Could you
see skin on their faces or any No, No, I
couldn't see. I could see eye glare.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Oh okay, because the jeep was kind of tilted slightly
downward from where they were standing. Oh, I didn't get
a full on shot of their face with the headlights.
Oh more from here and down Oh I see.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So the headlights illuminated made their chest downwards because it
was facing down slope and they were on maybe an
upslope maybe in front of it. Is that right?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
The jeep was like this and they were kind of
on this little slanted spot.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be
right back after these messages. What color was the eye glow,
the reflection or wherever it was.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
It was like the reflection of the headlights with maybe
a little bit of red in the eyes. But that
wasn't something I was real focused on. I imagine that
I really thought we were going to die, because you're
witnessing something that number one, neither one of us believed
in Number two, it's horrifying and terrifying. And number three,
(18:16):
I thought they were going to kill us and we
didn't know why. Why they even appeared in our camp.
And then it dawned on us later after the episode
that we were sitting on top of that spring. And
this is the middle of summer, so that's probably their
only drinking source up on that ridge.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So, of the three Sasquatches that you had eyes on,
not kind of the one behind you. Do you think
all three of them vocalized at some point or was
it mostly one doing it? Or could you even tell?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I couldn't really tell. It sounded different from each one.
They were I don't know how to say it. Communicating,
And I believe it was to see whether we lived
or died. How thirsty they were.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So were they moving at all? Or were they stones still?
What were they doing?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Actually while they were standing there screaming, they were stone
still until and I can't give an estimate as to time.
I'm guesstimating five minutes, six minutes maybe, and then they
slowly started walking. They turned slightly to head up toward
the ridge, and they never took their eyes or their
(19:29):
head off of us as they went up the hill,
and they continued to screaming until they were well down
the other side of the mountain. Until we were out
of ear shot, and we stood up on that tree
for about an hour and a half until daylight as
we were afraid to move.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Sure, so you had your backs against the tree, shoulder
to shoulder looking at these things that know everybody else
in your entire life has sold you aren't real now.
I just believed they were. Yeah, You're just like, well,
now what and you thought you were going to die
at the time, I did, what were you trying to
communicate with your partner who was there.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
We didn't know what we were seeing until he flipped
on the headlights or what we were listening to. His
first thought was maybe a bunch of bikers had come
up there with a boom box, and I said, it
doesn't sound like that, and then he said, well, I'm
going to fire my gun and see if it scares
whatever it is away, and that's at that point I said,
don't or we'll die. Don't do that. And after he
(20:30):
saw them, I don't think he's ever spoken to this
day about the sightings. Although we did go down to
the ranger station in Pendleton and walked in there because
we had footprints right where they were standing, and we
walked up to the ranger. He was sitting at his desk,
and we just thought we'd made the discovery of a lifetime.
(20:52):
And I said, do you have any plaster or paris
because we can get footprints? And he looks up from
the desk like he's just irritated, and he said, lady,
I know they're up there. What do you want me
to do about that? We were like, what.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
He knew it?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
He said, just ask a logger. They won't tell you
because that would be their livelihood going away. So that
was it for my bigfoot experience.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Well, what was the conversation like in the car once
daylight broke and you had the break camp.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
He was focused on getting to the ranger station because
we could prove what we had seen, and after that,
I think it kind of deflated everything for him. And
I don't know how he processed it, because the rest
of the way home back to Portland, he didn't speak
about it. He never said a word. I'd try to
(21:44):
bring it up, and I think it rattled him so
badly that he just couldn't process. So his Indian tradition
grandmother was right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Now, now this is just some man that you dated
way back in the day. Did you keep it how
long did you keep in touch with them at all?
Or just kind of faded away as people often do.
He just faded away, I see. So we dated for
maybe a year a year or so, and then okay,
and it didn't really come up in conversation after that
so much.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
He said specifically he didn't want to talk about it.
Oh okay, Whereas you know, I wasn't too keen on
talking about it either at the time. But it's just
one of those things you can never undo once you've
seen it. It's there permanently. So I just delved heavily
into bigfoot research and reading and movies and videos, anything
(22:36):
I could get hold of.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
They just joined the subject in general.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
To try and understand what it was we had seen
and what they were.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, there's been a few decades of processing now since
is the early nineteen eighties. What conclusions, if any, have
you come to? Like, how does this sit with you nowadays?
Speaker 5 (22:55):
A friend of mine saw bigfoot last Saturday up in
the mcmanvall area.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You told me I'm going to see if I can
check that out maybe this weekend, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Okay, And she asked me if I wanted to go
with her, and at this point in my life. I
told her no, because I have no desire. I've seen it.
I don't want to put myself in jeopardy, which I
think she possibly was doing, because they discovered a bigfoot nest,
and that's at the point where the bigfoot made themselves known.
(23:26):
They growled and they stomped, and she actually saw one
dart behind a tree. No, that's something she'll have to
do on her own, which I will not participate in.
But everybody else I know is curious and they want
to go up there.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So and you're done with this, like you have no
reason to try to see a bigfoot again.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Or I don't need to prove that bigfoot exists because,
like I said, I can't undo what I saw. I'm
curious as to what they are, what their being is,
about why they're so elusive. I have many many questions
about bigfoot, but as to their existence, that question has
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been answered.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So you said the vocalization noise was higher pitch than
you could manage, and it was was it repeatedly the
same sound over and over from when it woke you
up until no, No.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
It changed it. It went from highs to not to lows,
but it was high pitched, and each one would do
their pitch and then one would respond, whether it was
one beside them or one behind us. It alternated because
you could tell they were communicating.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, so, but each an individual animal seemed to be
emitting the same noise when it wouldn't waff again, it
wasn't the same.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
It was like the same high pitch but different.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
How was it different when I'm pushing you?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
But just the.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Intonation the sound wave that it's so hard to described,
I can't tell you.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, no, I get it. I get it. And was
it a single pitch like or did it go oh
and drop off or go low? But it vibrated up
and down, vibrated up and down, oh okay. Interesting, but
always in the higher pitch, always high. You can tell
it was very, very angry. And that was the impression
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that we both got. They were not happy with us. Interesting. Interesting,
And even when they were walking away and you couldn't
see them anymore and their sound disappeared into the night,
it was the same sort of warbly, high pitched thing. Yes, okay.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
It never stopped till they were well out of earshot.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
On the other side, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after
these messages. I'm sure the experience was probably very overwhelming
in a lot of ways. And also the headlights weren't
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on the face faces of the animals in front of
the cars, but maybe from the chest or whatever down
What details can you remember about the body or the
shape or the color the hair or any of those things.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Well, they didn't have a neck. They had very long
arms that came below their knees because they were just
standing there with their arms at their side, very very
broad chest. They were huge.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay. How wide do you think they were? Like a
three foot thing or a four foot width.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Or very similar to the Bigfoot you have downstairs?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh, Murphy our model? Yes okay, yeah, his is about
maybe almost four feet wide.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
It's about that, you know, along those parameters.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay. So he was anything else similar to Murphy or
different that you can think of. No, he's seen a
muscle definition, No, just all covered in the hair, balk
and hair, dark hair, dark hair. How long do you
think the hair was?
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Probably three inches maybe okay?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And all one colored. Weren't patches or like lighter tips
on the hair or anything. Just I didn't see anything,
just dark brown, blackish sort of right. Okay, the footprints
that you saw, how long were they?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
They were big because Jack WARRISI is fourteen shoe and
he put his foot beside the print and there were
at least three to four inches longer because he had
really large feet. So but we never got to cast them,
so I wish we had.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Were they disproportionately wide or much wider than his? Yes? Okay, okay,
were there any marks inside them or whatever? It was
a beautiful this clean stomp.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Or it was in dirt like there was a gravel area.
But the print we found it was the best, was
right in the dirt beside the gravel, and it was
kind of a little It was tilted slightly headed toward
up to hill.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Interesting when they walked, did they walk just like a
person or it was it different in some sort of way,
or they moved with their head toward us, so they okay,
their head was turned face handed.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Up to hill, but their head was on us, and
they walked quickly up to hill. I mean they took
big steps.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
A lot of people described sasquatches as moving very fluidly,
like very almost like they're floating in a way because
they're graceful and it's it's a consequence of what we
call the compliant gate. Did you see this or does
it just walk like a person kind of bouncing its
head or what or do you even remember?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Well, because it was going uphill, it was I would
say it's more fluid, but great big steps. And they
didn't stomp or anything like that. They just in fact
it was other than the screaming, you wouldn't have known
they were there. Oh you didn't hear them while they're moving,
or we couldn't hear them crunch over the screening.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well I guess not. Yeah, you could hear yourself talk
over the screaming, right of course. Of course, anything else
that you can remember, do you think would be important
to share?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Not really, I don't recommend spending the night in the
middle of the summertime in that particular area.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I still want to you have no idea how bad
I want to know where that spot is.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I'm sure you could look up a warehouser logging map, yeah,
from the probably sixties seventies era, and find out that
where that trail is, because they probably would mark that spring.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, certainly the spring be on there. But how many
springs are there in the Ochikos? You know there must
be quite a few. Yeah, I don't know. I very
much would like to go there and spend a week
or so.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Okay, well, well I wish you'd luck.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Well, I'm not as smart as I look. Yeah, don't
let these glasses fool you.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Well, maybe you could take my husband, because he wants
to go up there too.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I bet he does. What do you think, Matt?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
That's amazing. I know that had to be terrifying and harrowing,
but as someone who's been trying to see one for
a very long time, I'm very envious. So I'm situations
like yours. I think, you know, you're not just a witness,
You're you're kind of a survivor because that had to
be fairly traumatic to some degree.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So thank you for being willing to share that. Yeah, Matt,
I think it's solely fine that we use your you know,
you use your track for this recording too, since Bobo's
not here. Do you do you want to do any
follow up questions or whatever what we have her?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah? I'm always interested, you know, after an encounter like that,
there must be so many frustrations when you see representations
of sasquatch in the media subsequently, So I wonder how
someone who's had that direct experience and observation perceives, let's say,
sasquatch as it's treated by the popular media over the years,
you know, always being dismissive and dismissive of witnesses of
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the potential reality of these things. And how has that
shaped the way that you've seen the subject represented since then?
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I've seen it represented in many, many different ways. The
one thing I object to is when they try to
make it seem like a soft and fuzzy, cuddly big
teddy bear, which it certainly is not. It's to be
taken seriously.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I would agree with that. Again, those experiences like yours
are so rare. Like Cliff mentioned in the beginning, you know,
most witnesses have this sort of serendipitous, very brief encounter,
and they're usually fairly benign because most of them are motorists,
or they're seeing it at a distance, even if they're
on foot. And so those sort of close encounters that
have real peril at hand, like yours are rare, but
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are so impactful. So I don't want to sound disrespectful
when I say I'm envious, because I'm sure if it
had happened to me, I would not have wished for it,
you know, in those early days. But you know, it
is the willingness of witnesses like yourself to come forward
and describe those experiences that I think helped shift it
out of that goofy campfire monster, you know, schlockumentary comedic
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character into like, No, these are real animals, and they
are large, and they pose physical threats. Whether or not
they behave dangerously or not, they should be taken seriously.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I'm just in love with the fact that they decided
not to kill us.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, it makes you wonder, like what would it take,
you know, because you I mean, I think it's a
reasonable conclusion that you were camped at a place they
wanted water and they didn't like you there. Correct, they
probably could have snuck in and got water without you knowing.
I guess.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
No, we were like a foot away from it.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh really, you were kind of camped right on top
of it. Then pretty much it was a very small plateau.
Oh I was a sheer cliff like on that diorama.
Uh so, it was very close. Yes, actually made a
diorama of the scene, complete with the sasquatches in the
brush and in front of the jeep. It is absolutely cool.
It's adorable, frankly, but it's really good. Actually, maybe we
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can post it for something.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
One of the other things that I always find so interesting,
having interviewed witnesses for as long as I have, and
witnesses who've had those sort of upclose, frightening encounters, is
that there's a few things that have made their way
into the mythos, especially within the skeptical or cynical realm,
One being that, you know, the sasquatch is like a
wish fulfillment, you know, it's this sort of like delusion
(33:36):
hallucination that comes from human kind's desire to be connected
to the wild, and in stories like yours, it's like, well,
first of all, there was no desire to see such
a thing, so it's not like there was a prerequisite
that served as like a trigger for this particular event
or experience. And it certainly doesn't sound like it was
a wish fulfillment. I mean, I think most witnesses in
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those cases wish that it had happened because of the
not only the intense fear or terror at the moment,
but the anxiety that comes in the aftermath of not
wanting that to happen again, not being able to share
it with peers or friends or loved ones because of
fear of ridicule or disbelief. And I was curious about
how if you felt those things in your own life
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where it was really difficult to talk about, or if
you ever desired to talk about it with other people.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
This happened shortly before I entered law enforcement, and having
that job was not conducive to anything other than a
psychiatric review if you mentioned seeing Bigfoot. So it's not
something I would talk about my own daughters. I have
twin daughters that do not believe that I saw Bigfoot
(34:45):
to this.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Day, and.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
They're slowly turning around because they've heard Bigfoot and their
encampment over in New Matilla when they go deer hunting,
so they're kind of on the skeptical mode at this
stage the game. But yeah, it's I had noticed. I
had no clue Bigfoot really existed. I didn't believe in it,
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and the only thing we had guns out therefore was
in case we ran across a cougar or like a bear,
and that was just for protection, So I don't think
it would have been anything more than a beasting had
he fired at them, and it would probably just enrage them,
and I think there would have been severe consequences.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, it certainly could have escalated, and that is you know,
the anxiety in the aftermath of such an experience very
often is tied to that, the inability to discuss the
event because of the repercussions. And I always say to
those skeptics too, about the wish fulfillment, Like, you know,
I would I've seen about one hundred of them by now,
because I don't think many people want to see one
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as badly as I do, and yet I never have.
I think Cliff's probably in the same boat there too.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, I would love to find out where this is,
just to see if they keep going back there, And
it sounds like a place that if you actually could
stay there for a month or two, they would probably
come back more than once. I guess I'm guessing, but
I don't know. I don't know, I'd love to know
where that was, if that had a name or something. Well,
I know you and Jack didn't really want to talk
about it so much, but you certainly told some people
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after that. And was it a mixed reaction some believed you,
some didn't, or was it were you just written off?
Speaker 5 (36:37):
The only person I told were my twin daughters.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
And when were they born?
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Nineteen seventy five?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Nineteen seventy five, so they were very young at the time,
but you told them anyway, like it's six years old
or something. No years later, Okay, it's going to say
that's good motherhood.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
No, it was just something I kept to myself because,
first of all, you don't believe what you saw, and
you can't shut it down because your brain won't allow
you to do that. Once You've seen something, it's there,
even though I'd love to forget it, but that's not
going to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Did it cause you any stress or negative feelings over
the time, like I can't believe this, Am I crazy
or no one else believes I don't even want to
share it with.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Or I love camping and I'll never go again.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That is sad.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Every time I go near the woods, I need to
be out of there before dark. Really, it's just the
way it is, so you don't even camp to this
day because of that experience. We've taken our travel trailer
down to Estakada, where there's supposed to be some sightings.
But unless I'm in the trailer, that's my safety zone.
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I have camp that way, but never again in a
pup tent out in the open.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh, you poor thing. I feel bad for people whose
sasquatches have changed the way they interact with the woods.
You know. I know some hunters who have never hunted
since they saw them, and this seems like something similar
to that. So it's unfortunate in a way because it
took something that you love.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It did. Yeah, but again, it's an experience that not
everybody gets to have, so I guess it's a fair trade.
I feel lucky in one way and cursed and any other.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So what are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I don't know this, I guess all right, Barbara, Well,
thank you very much for coming back and sharing your
story with our listeners again and taking time out of
your day. I apologize about the late start, but Bobo
is who he is, so when this episode comes out,
I'll send you a link to it so you can
hear what Bobo has to say about himself and how
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he got into the house, because I'm sure that's going
to be a heck of a story.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Great.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Thank you, but thank you so much for your time
and your willingness to share. We really really appreciate it.
And hopefully more witnesses like you can step forward and
we can push the ball a little bit further down
the field and learn a little bit more about these things. Great.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
All right, listeners, there you go, another episode of Bigfoot
and Beyond with our fabulous witness Barbara, who came face
to face, I guess, with three of these things screaming
at her, and there's one behind in the dark, and
in a way I'm envious, and in a way I'm
super glad it didn't happen to me. But I'll tell
you it's a little bit of both. It's mostly envy,
but there's a little bit at the other side too.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
With Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so
like to say subscribe and raid it, Tim Star and
me just go on yesterday and listening, oh watching them
always keep it's watching.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey, Bobs, how you doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
What's up? Cliff?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I just got done with an amazing interview with a
fantastic witness. You missed it, man. Barbara was awesome and
for all you listeners, you're gonna be able to hear
what Barbara has to stay in just a few minutes
after this. But Bobo had some issues today.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I tried got downe with physical theory because yesterday my phone,
my recording set up wasn't working so good.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I needed to get new headphones.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
And I went to Target and got him and got
back on his you know, they got back and said
like ten minutes before we were going to start records, like,
oh great, I made it in time.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, and kudos to you, Bobs, because you called me
an hour beforehand. It says Cliff, I'm going to go
to the Target and get new headphones, which we I
applaud you for because we've had problems with your headphones
for a few weeks now, and you got back right
right when you told me you were going to. It
was like three oh five when when I was on
the call or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And I got back fifteen minutes before that. I was
trying to break in.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Oh, I was trying to break into what my house.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I I had a key made, like god, I was
like probably a year and a half ago, and it
was for the house. And you know, they give you
that little janky little key ring, like that little cheap
thin one.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, the one. You're supposed to throw that away, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
But I just clipped it on my key ring and
I've had it for like a year and a half
and it it actually came off about six or seven
weeks ago and I put it on. I was like,
I gotta remember to go to the you know, the
locksmith or the hardware store and get a copy made
and get a and get a real real key ring,
you know.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And fricking thing I didn't hear it fall off.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It was you know, it's the parking uncil right along
the one O one freeway and there's cars and people
and so I just didn't hear it fall, I guess,
and I get home and I was like, oh man,
And then so I went, we have a hide the key.
When I got the hide the key didn't it was
the wrong key.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
So you lost your house key and then your highe
to key wasn't the right key.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah it was. It was.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It was a it was a quick set lock, and
it was a quick set. It looked just like it. It
looked just like it, but it didn't. It didn't work,
and I knew it was. I was like going, I
don't know if this is the right one because it
wasn't all like the weather one we had.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
There's another for like a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So it's like fully like got salt damage to it,
you know, it's you know, this thing's been sitting on
the beach for a couple of years. So I was like,
this thing's pretty smooth. I don't know I noticed that
one was. I thought I was just put out a
new key and then doesn't work at all. I was
just like, oh my god. So then I was able
to gimmy up at like I climbed up on my
neighbors trash cans because the bathroom windows probably about nine feet.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
The bottom is about nine feet off the ground.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And I was like trying to stack ash cans and
make it not wobbly to climb up to get in
the window. And I got the window open, like I
had to like pound it without breaking it to get
the stick that we put in there to keep it
like locked.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Because there's no lock on it, it rested away.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Of course, I got that stick to fault and I
got the window all the way open then, but I
was only to about my neck to the window, and
I was trying to hop up. I couldn't pull myself
up and get in the window. It was such a
tight squeeze because it's a small window. Then I got
stuck there for like two minutes. I was like killing
my chest. I couldn't breathe. I was like, oh my god.
So I got down. I got that without falling. Actually
(03:35):
that was good. I was like, Okay, I gotta find
someone to climb in this window. Someone, you know, something
smaller there knowing around like these are like the workers
were around here like working on their houses and stuff,
and they were all gone. I was like, oh man,
I was just looking around for somebody. Then I walked down.
I was like, oh, it's like three three fifteen or whatever.
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I'm like, you know, those kids are coming home from
school usually around now. I'll get one of them. So
I walked down with a couple of blocks down to
the main street. There's a bunch of kids that walked
down that road now because of the school bus drop smoff,
and they've they've been caught on. We had we had
a rash of breakings the last year, not not the
last couple of months, but the people had them on
their on their doorbell cameras and stuff like these junior
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high kids and high school teen kids breaking into people's
houses all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh yeah, you might as well put You might as
well put their skills to good use.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Then that's what I was thinking. I'm like, these kids
got experienced with this stuff. Then I started thinking like,
I don't want to get too old of a kid,
because then I know how to get into this place,
and I don't want to become a target. So I
was like, I don't want to get too like, you know,
a like I want to get a kid that looks
like like a boy scout, not like you know, some
skate punk kid that looked like one of my friends
growing up, some hooligan or something. So I was like,
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I see these two kids, like two boys walking up
and I was like, oh, perfect, they look like fifth
sixth grade or something. Well, hey, what's up to you guys?
Like kind of stranger danger, you know. It's like they
kind of like I said it, like hot nod the high,
like hello whatever, And hey, you guys want to ex
some money. I go give you like five bucks if
you go climb in my back my bathroom window. I'm
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locked out, and just go in and unlock the door
for me. The kid like kind of looks at all.
They look at each other and looks about me, and
I'm like, look, I'll give you ten bucks. Like they
start walking away faster than their eyes are all big,
and they they scared and they just started running.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I was like, oh. I was like, oh my god,
they're gonna.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Run home until their parents and some guy try to
kidnap them, you know, like hey want some candy, you know,
he want some money, Come with me and climb in
this bathroom window.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And they just took off front of the night.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I took off front of the other way, and I
was sitting out front, just waiting for the cops to
pull up.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I'm like, oh, I got to explain this one.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, try to sneak them into your house somehow, right right?
Not a good look, bobo, It's not a good looks.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
It's one of those things like you know, you get
caught that situation, like but really I was just you know,
like you just look guilty no matter what.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, no matter what. And and anybody doesn't know your
background would say that doesn't happen to people.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
There's no way that you lost a key on a
key chain and then your fake the other one doesn't work.
And this is this is nonsense.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It's like watching an episode of Sign Fell with Kramer
or something exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well that you live like that? Man, how do you?
How do you deal with your life? Man?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Like I hate it?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It just must be so frustrating.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
It is because I was back on time, like I
was gonna be all set ready to go have my
new equipment, and then also I don't have my key,
and then the key in the highest spot is the
wrong key.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Weird.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, well you missed a great witness. Unfortunately her name
is Barbara and uh and I guess you'll be listening
to the podcast. It's like all of our listeners will
be listening after this. So I guess with this, Bobs,
why don't we just cut to my interview with Barbara
and you can enjoy the episode along with everyone else.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Yeah, I want to hear this. I'm even raving about her, man,
I'm so bound. I missed her.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I just.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
She super cool, She's one hundred percent legit, man, and
she had a crazy encounter. So listeners, Bobo, feast your
ears on.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
This well do.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Hello? Everybody, Welcome to another episode of Bigfan Beyond with
Cliff and every once in a while Bobo. Bobo is
not here, although he is currently as I say this,
desperately trying to break into his own house. That's true.
I'd rather Bobo get to tell you this story. And
I mean, I've been to Bobo's house. I know what
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it looks like, I know the quality of the house.
It really should not be that hard to break into
the house. A good push on the front wall would
collapse half of it. So I really think that we
will be hearing from Bobo at some time in the
next hour, but I cannot guarantee that. I wish I could,
and I'll tell you it is quite the story this time.
As you know, Bobo has a cloud of chaos following
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him around wherever he goes, just like pig Pen from
the Snoopy cartoon has a cloud of filth following him around.
But chaos has struck again. Murphy's Law has struck again.
Bobo is Jess Bobo, and there's nothing any of us
can do about it, not even Bobo. But at the
same time, that's the reason we all love Bobo, isn't it.
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Bobo is himself, unabashedly and unapologetically, and he's a victim
of himself, unfortunately, and today's another example of that. But
hopefully Bobo can break into his own house and turn
on the computer and join us in the next few
minutes or hour or something. We'll see, because Bobo's gonna
be super bummed. He's going to miss this one. We
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have a fantastic guest today. We've brought in this witness.
This woman's name's Barbara. She came into the NABC last
week or something like that, and I took a siding
report from her, and it was just one of those
siding reports that I just knew I had to share
with the larger public. It is so great, so dramatic,
and so unusual. I just knew I had to share
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it with you, guys. And because you know how I
have about sightings. Most sightings are the thing ran ran
across the road or standing on the side of the road,
and it's a point on a map. It is a
place and a time on a map that points us
to maybe where we can look for sasquatches in the future.
But this one, this one's a little special in some ways,
and you'll see what I mean. So Barbara, by the way,
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if there's a also, I want to let you guys
know that Matt Prude is a fantastic producer and he's
going to make this sound as good as possible. But
Barbara is actually sitting in the same room as me
right now. So if you feel that this podcast is
not the same audio quality or something like that, that's
why I know Matt's going to do a great job
cleaning it up and making it sound great. But Barbara
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and I are sitting around a microphone together upstairs at
the North American Bigfoot Center right now, So if you
probably hear some of the room noise, room ambiance and
that sort of thing, so I wanted to explain that
as well. But Barbara, thank you very much for coming
on Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff, and every once in
a while, Bobo, thank you.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Cliff.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's nice to be here. Yeah, thank you, thank you
so much. Well, let's start by talking about your background
a little bit, because you are a very competent observer
because of some of the things you've done in your life,
like law enforcement, for example. So can you tell us
a little bit about your background. Sure.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I have degrees in building inspection, plans examining and worked
in Marion County doing that until the housing crunch in
the eighties, and then I went into law enforcement because
there's no shortage of criminals.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
No, and I don't think there ever will be.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
I stayed there with Mountinoeu MC County for sixteen years
as a deputy, and after that I retired.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Were you a beat copper, just a dust thing or
what were you doing for that? Because my father was
a sheriff, so there's all sorts of roles. What did
you do?
Speaker 5 (10:49):
I did everything from courthouse to transports. When I injured
my knees, I ended up with three total knees. Then
I went in inside the correctional facilities as I could
work for controls and things like that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Great.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Okay, Now the sighting that was before you became a
law enforcement officer? Is that right? Correct? Okay? Okay, very good.
Now had you ever thought about sasquatches before the sighting
at all?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Or I'd heard about Bigfoot? But I used to laugh
because I thought these people were bonkers. I didn't believe
in Bigfoot at all.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Okay, And just to set the scene here, your sighting
happened when nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty one, the first
or second weekend in July. Okay, very good. Well let's
just start from there, like what were you doing, who
were you with? And how did you get to the spot,
all that sort of stuff. So you're just tell us
the whole story, and I'll prompt you if I need
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to about questions you think. Okay.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
I was dating a man who was a Native American Indian.
He was six foot seven, very bold build. Because of
his Indian heritage, was able to gain entrance to like
the Yumatilla Reservation where we ended up going that weekend
and we chased some wild horses swam in the river
and just kind of spent the whole day there. And
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he said he knew his favorite campsite, which was up
in above Prineville, about twenty miles up on an old
logging trail, and he used to go bowl and arrow
hunting from the time he was twelve up in that area.
So we had his jeep. The ride up the logging
trail was pretty hazardous because it had washed down in
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several spots, but we made it to the top and
there was a small plateau and the plateau ended. It
was the end of the trail from the logging trail,
but under one of the trees was a small, miniature,
beautiful little spring, kind of like a mini crater lake.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
So actual like a pitfull of water kind of or
is it a spring seeping out of the ground.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
No, it was a pit full of water right at
these the roots of a tree, and you could see
quite it weighs down into the water.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's crystal clear. And this is at the top of
the mountain, so there's no other water sources nearby.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Yeah, we were about thirty to fifty feet from the
ridge going over the mountain. So anyway, we made a campfire,
had dinner, and we were pretty tired from the day's activities,
so we went to bed in a pup tent, and
about three thirty in the morning, this got awful, screeching, screaming.
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It's hard to describe. It made your body vibrate, it
hurt your ears, and it was just one after another,
and we had no idea what was going on. So
he said to get out of the tent, and it
was pitch blackout. We couldn't see our hand in front
of our face. The fire had gone now, so we
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stood with our backs up against a tree and we
couldn't figure out what it was. We couldn't hear each
other as we were standing side by side because it
was so.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Loud, so you couldn't hear yourself over the screaming that
woke you up.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
No, because we both had guns. He had a forty
five and I had my thirty eight. And he said,
after a few minutes of this, he said, I'm going
to fire up in the air and see if it
scares whatever it is off. And I said, if you do,
we're dead. And I truly believed that. So he stepped
forward into the jeep and he pulled a switch. I
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don't know what it turned on the headlights. Oh, okay,
how far away was the jeep from the tree? Two
or three feet?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Oh? So it was right there. You didn't have to
make a break ford for twenty feet or something. No,
it was right there.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
And turned on the lights and we saw three bigfoot.
He was not a believer in bigfoot. He'd heard legends
from his tribe that his grandmother used to tell him
don't go out hunting after dark because there's a name
that the Cherokee Nation has for bigfoot. I can't pronounce
it right now, But he used to laugh at that,
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thinking she was just overprotective. Where were the sasquatches that
you saw when the lights came on? Probably ten feet
in front of the jeep.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So right there, right in the spotlights, right there? Wow? Well,
what did they look like? Describe those to us? Or
were they all? Were they all the same or were
they different? Or what would they look like?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
They appeared to be about the same height, They weren't touching,
they were side by side, and I noticed they didn't
have a neck. They had a concave head shape of.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
The conical shape.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, and all I could basically see was their eyes.
They were very dark color. We could tell they were angry.
They were just I wish I could better describe the noise.
It was unbelievable. It was horrifying. Was it a high
pitched shriek or a low thing or very high pitched?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Very high.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I couldn't even reach that pitch if I tried. It
was extremely high pitched. Were they the screams long and
drawn out? Or were they short bursts? Or they were
shorter in time wise? But they were communicating. One would scream,
and then we would hear some behind us or one
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I can't tell, I didn't see it, and then the
other would. They were communicating with it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So the three that you saw right in front of
the jeep, ten or so feet in front of the jeep,
you would see one of them scream, and then one
behind you in the dark would answer, yes, it s fun.
So it'd be safe to say there were at least
four there.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Exactly, Okay, three that I could see in the rest.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I have no idea. Okay, Now, what color were the sasquatches?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Dark?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Very dark brown to black dark brand and all three
the same more less the same color? Yes? Could you
see skin on their faces or any No, No, I
couldn't see. I could see eye glare.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Oh okay, because the jeep was kind of tilted slightly
downward from where they were standing. Oh, I didn't get
a full on shot of their face with the headlights.
Oh more from here and down Oh I see.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
So the headlights illuminated made their chest downwards because it
was facing down slope and they were on maybe an
upslope maybe in front of it. Is that right?
Speaker 5 (17:31):
The jeep was like this and they were kind of
on this little slanted spot.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be
right back after these messages. What color was the eye glow,
the reflection or wherever it was.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
It was like the reflection of the headlights with maybe
a little bit of red in the eyes. But that
wasn't something I was real focused on. I imagine that
I really thought we were going to die, because you're
witnessing something that number one, neither one of us believed
in Number two, it's horrifying and terrifying. And number three,
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I thought they were going to kill us and we
didn't know why. Why they even appeared in our camp.
And then it dawned on us later after the episode
that we were sitting on top of that spring. And
this is the middle of summer, so that's probably their
only drinking source up on that ridge.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So, of the three Sasquatches that you had eyes on,
not kind of the one behind you. Do you think
all three of them vocalized at some point or was
it mostly one doing it? Or could you even tell?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I couldn't really tell. It sounded different from each one.
They were I don't know how to say it. Communicating,
And I believe it was to see whether we lived
or died. How thirsty they were.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
So were they moving at all? Or were they stones still?
What were they doing?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Actually while they were standing there screaming, they were stone
still until and I can't give an estimate as to time.
I'm guesstimating five minutes, six minutes maybe, and then they
slowly started walking. They turned slightly to head up toward
the ridge, and they never took their eyes or their
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head off of us as they went up the hill,
and they continued to screaming until they were well down
the other side of the mountain. Until we were out
of ear shot, and we stood up on that tree
for about an hour and a half until daylight as
we were afraid to move.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Sure, so you had your backs against the tree, shoulder
to shoulder looking at these things that know everybody else
in your entire life has sold you aren't real now.
I just believed they were. Yeah, You're just like, well,
now what and you thought you were going to die
at the time, I did, what were you trying to
communicate with your partner who was there.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
We didn't know what we were seeing until he flipped
on the headlights or what we were listening to. His
first thought was maybe a bunch of bikers had come
up there with a boom box, and I said, it
doesn't sound like that, and then he said, well, I'm
going to fire my gun and see if it scares
whatever it is away, and that's at that point I said,
don't or we'll die. Don't do that. And after he
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saw them, I don't think he's ever spoken to this
day about the sightings. Although we did go down to
the ranger station in Pendleton and walked in there because
we had footprints right where they were standing, and we
walked up to the ranger. He was sitting at his desk,
and we just thought we'd made the discovery of a lifetime.
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And I said, do you have any plaster or paris
because we can get footprints? And he looks up from
the desk like he's just irritated, and he said, lady,
I know they're up there. What do you want me
to do about that? We were like, what.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
He knew it?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
He said, just ask a logger. They won't tell you
because that would be their livelihood going away. So that
was it for my bigfoot experience.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Well, what was the conversation like in the car once
daylight broke and you had the break camp.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
He was focused on getting to the ranger station because
we could prove what we had seen, and after that,
I think it kind of deflated everything for him. And
I don't know how he processed it, because the rest
of the way home back to Portland, he didn't speak
about it. He never said a word. I'd try to
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bring it up, and I think it rattled him so
badly that he just couldn't process. So his Indian tradition
grandmother was right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Now, now this is just some man that you dated
way back in the day. Did you keep it how
long did you keep in touch with them at all?
Or just kind of faded away as people often do.
He just faded away, I see. So we dated for
maybe a year a year or so, and then okay,
and it didn't really come up in conversation after that
so much.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
He said specifically he didn't want to talk about it.
Oh okay, Whereas you know, I wasn't too keen on
talking about it either at the time. But it's just
one of those things you can never undo once you've
seen it. It's there permanently. So I just delved heavily
into bigfoot research and reading and movies and videos, anything
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I could get hold of.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
They just joined the subject in general.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
To try and understand what it was we had seen
and what they were.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, there's been a few decades of processing now since
is the early nineteen eighties. What conclusions, if any, have
you come to? Like, how does this sit with you nowadays?
Speaker 5 (22:55):
A friend of mine saw bigfoot last Saturday up in
the mcmanvall area.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You told me I'm going to see if I can
check that out maybe this weekend, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Okay, And she asked me if I wanted to go
with her, and at this point in my life. I
told her no, because I have no desire. I've seen it.
I don't want to put myself in jeopardy, which I
think she possibly was doing, because they discovered a bigfoot nest,
and that's at the point where the bigfoot made themselves known.
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They growled and they stomped, and she actually saw one
dart behind a tree. No, that's something she'll have to
do on her own, which I will not participate in.
But everybody else I know is curious and they want
to go up there.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
So and you're done with this, like you have no
reason to try to see a bigfoot again.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Or I don't need to prove that bigfoot exists because,
like I said, I can't undo what I saw. I'm
curious as to what they are, what their being is,
about why they're so elusive. I have many many questions
about bigfoot, but as to their existence, that question has
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been answered.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
So you said the vocalization noise was higher pitch than
you could manage, and it was was it repeatedly the
same sound over and over from when it woke you
up until no, No.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
It changed it. It went from highs to not to lows,
but it was high pitched, and each one would do
their pitch and then one would respond, whether it was
one beside them or one behind us. It alternated because
you could tell they were communicating.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Okay, so, but each an individual animal seemed to be
emitting the same noise when it wouldn't waff again, it
wasn't the same.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
It was like the same high pitch but different.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
How was it different when I'm pushing you?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
But just the.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Intonation the sound wave that it's so hard to described,
I can't tell you.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, no, I get it. I get it. And was
it a single pitch like or did it go oh
and drop off or go low? But it vibrated up
and down, vibrated up and down, oh okay. Interesting, but
always in the higher pitch, always high. You can tell
it was very, very angry. And that was the impression
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that we both got. They were not happy with us. Interesting. Interesting,
And even when they were walking away and you couldn't
see them anymore and their sound disappeared into the night,
it was the same sort of warbly, high pitched thing. Yes, okay.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
It never stopped till they were well out of earshot.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
On the other side, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after
these messages. I'm sure the experience was probably very overwhelming
in a lot of ways. And also the headlights weren't
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on the face faces of the animals in front of
the cars, but maybe from the chest or whatever down
What details can you remember about the body or the
shape or the color the hair or any of those things.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Well, they didn't have a neck. They had very long
arms that came below their knees because they were just
standing there with their arms at their side, very very
broad chest. They were huge.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Okay. How wide do you think they were? Like a
three foot thing or a four foot width.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Or very similar to the Bigfoot you have downstairs?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Oh, Murphy our model? Yes okay, yeah, his is about
maybe almost four feet wide.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
It's about that, you know, along those parameters.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Okay. So he was anything else similar to Murphy or
different that you can think of. No, he's seen a
muscle definition, No, just all covered in the hair, balk
and hair, dark hair, dark hair. How long do you
think the hair was?
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Probably three inches maybe okay?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
And all one colored. Weren't patches or like lighter tips
on the hair or anything. Just I didn't see anything,
just dark brown, blackish sort of right. Okay, the footprints
that you saw, how long were they?
Speaker 5 (27:26):
They were big because Jack WARRISI is fourteen shoe and
he put his foot beside the print and there were
at least three to four inches longer because he had
really large feet. So but we never got to cast them,
so I wish we had.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Were they disproportionately wide or much wider than his? Yes? Okay, okay,
were there any marks inside them or whatever? It was
a beautiful this clean stomp.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Or it was in dirt like there was a gravel area.
But the print we found it was the best, was
right in the dirt beside the gravel, and it was
kind of a little It was tilted slightly headed toward
up to hill.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Interesting when they walked, did they walk just like a
person or it was it different in some sort of way,
or they moved with their head toward us, so they okay,
their head was turned face handed.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Up to hill, but their head was on us, and
they walked quickly up to hill. I mean they took
big steps.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
A lot of people described sasquatches as moving very fluidly,
like very almost like they're floating in a way because
they're graceful and it's it's a consequence of what we
call the compliant gate. Did you see this or does
it just walk like a person kind of bouncing its
head or what or do you even remember?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
Well, because it was going uphill, it was I would
say it's more fluid, but great big steps. And they
didn't stomp or anything like that. They just in fact
it was other than the screaming, you wouldn't have known
they were there. Oh you didn't hear them while they're moving,
or we couldn't hear them crunch over the screening.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well I guess not. Yeah, you could hear yourself talk
over the screaming, right of course. Of course, anything else
that you can remember, do you think would be important
to share?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Not really, I don't recommend spending the night in the
middle of the summertime in that particular area.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I still want to you have no idea how bad
I want to know where that spot is.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
I'm sure you could look up a warehouser logging map, yeah,
from the probably sixties seventies era, and find out that
where that trail is, because they probably would mark that spring.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, certainly the spring be on there. But how many
springs are there in the Ochikos? You know there must
be quite a few. Yeah, I don't know. I very
much would like to go there and spend a week
or so.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Okay, well, well I wish you'd luck.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Well, I'm not as smart as I look. Yeah, don't
let these glasses fool you.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Well, maybe you could take my husband, because he wants
to go up there too.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I bet he does. What do you think, Matt?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
That's amazing. I know that had to be terrifying and harrowing,
but as someone who's been trying to see one for
a very long time, I'm very envious. So I'm situations
like yours. I think, you know, you're not just a witness,
You're you're kind of a survivor because that had to
be fairly traumatic to some degree.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So thank you for being willing to share that. Yeah, Matt,
I think it's solely fine that we use your you know,
you use your track for this recording too, since Bobo's
not here. Do you do you want to do any
follow up questions or whatever what we have her?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah? I'm always interested, you know, after an encounter like that,
there must be so many frustrations when you see representations
of sasquatch in the media subsequently, So I wonder how
someone who's had that direct experience and observation perceives, let's say,
sasquatch as it's treated by the popular media over the years,
you know, always being dismissive and dismissive of witnesses of
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the potential reality of these things. And how has that
shaped the way that you've seen the subject represented since then?
Speaker 5 (31:13):
I've seen it represented in many, many different ways. The
one thing I object to is when they try to
make it seem like a soft and fuzzy, cuddly big
teddy bear, which it certainly is not. It's to be
taken seriously.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I would agree with that. Again, those experiences like yours
are so rare. Like Cliff mentioned in the beginning, you know,
most witnesses have this sort of serendipitous, very brief encounter,
and they're usually fairly benign because most of them are motorists,
or they're seeing it at a distance, even if they're
on foot. And so those sort of close encounters that
have real peril at hand, like yours are rare, but
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are so impactful. So I don't want to sound disrespectful
when I say I'm envious, because I'm sure if it
had happened to me, I would not have wished for it,
you know, in those early days. But you know, it
is the willingness of witnesses like yourself to come forward
and describe those experiences that I think helped shift it
out of that goofy campfire monster, you know, schlockumentary comedic
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character into like, No, these are real animals, and they
are large, and they pose physical threats. Whether or not
they behave dangerously or not, they should be taken seriously.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
I'm just in love with the fact that they decided
not to kill us.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, it makes you wonder, like what would it take,
you know, because you I mean, I think it's a
reasonable conclusion that you were camped at a place they
wanted water and they didn't like you there. Correct, they
probably could have snuck in and got water without you knowing.
I guess.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
No, we were like a foot away from it.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh really, you were kind of camped right on top
of it. Then pretty much it was a very small plateau.
Oh I was a sheer cliff like on that diorama.
Uh so, it was very close. Yes, actually made a
diorama of the scene, complete with the sasquatches in the
brush and in front of the jeep. It is absolutely cool.
It's adorable, frankly, but it's really good. Actually, maybe we
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can post it for something.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
One of the other things that I always find so interesting,
having interviewed witnesses for as long as I have, and
witnesses who've had those sort of upclose, frightening encounters, is
that there's a few things that have made their way
into the mythos, especially within the skeptical or cynical realm,
One being that, you know, the sasquatch is like a
wish fulfillment, you know, it's this sort of like delusion
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hallucination that comes from human kind's desire to be connected
to the wild, and in stories like yours, it's like, well,
first of all, there was no desire to see such
a thing, so it's not like there was a prerequisite
that served as like a trigger for this particular event
or experience. And it certainly doesn't sound like it was
a wish fulfillment. I mean, I think most witnesses in
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those cases wish that it had happened because of the
not only the intense fear or terror at the moment,
but the anxiety that comes in the aftermath of not
wanting that to happen again, not being able to share
it with peers or friends or loved ones because of
fear of ridicule or disbelief. And I was curious about
how if you felt those things in your own life
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where it was really difficult to talk about, or if
you ever desired to talk about it with other people.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
This happened shortly before I entered law enforcement, and having
that job was not conducive to anything other than a
psychiatric review if you mentioned seeing Bigfoot. So it's not
something I would talk about my own daughters. I have
twin daughters that do not believe that I saw Bigfoot
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to this.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Day, and.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
They're slowly turning around because they've heard Bigfoot and their
encampment over in New Matilla when they go deer hunting,
so they're kind of on the skeptical mode at this
stage the game. But yeah, it's I had noticed. I
had no clue Bigfoot really existed. I didn't believe in it,
(35:09):
and the only thing we had guns out therefore was
in case we ran across a cougar or like a bear,
and that was just for protection, So I don't think
it would have been anything more than a beasting had
he fired at them, and it would probably just enrage them,
and I think there would have been severe consequences.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, it certainly could have escalated, and that is you know,
the anxiety in the aftermath of such an experience very
often is tied to that, the inability to discuss the
event because of the repercussions. And I always say to
those skeptics too, about the wish fulfillment, Like, you know,
I would I've seen about one hundred of them by now,
because I don't think many people want to see one
(36:03):
as badly as I do, and yet I never have.
I think Cliff's probably in the same boat there too.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, I would love to find out where this is,
just to see if they keep going back there, And
it sounds like a place that if you actually could
stay there for a month or two, they would probably
come back more than once. I guess I'm guessing, but
I don't know. I don't know, I'd love to know
where that was, if that had a name or something. Well,
I know you and Jack didn't really want to talk
about it so much, but you certainly told some people
(36:30):
after that. And was it a mixed reaction some believed you,
some didn't, or was it were you just written off?
Speaker 5 (36:37):
The only person I told were my twin daughters.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
And when were they born?
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Nineteen seventy five?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Nineteen seventy five, so they were very young at the time,
but you told them anyway, like it's six years old
or something. No years later, Okay, it's going to say
that's good motherhood.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
No, it was just something I kept to myself because,
first of all, you don't believe what you saw, and
you can't shut it down because your brain won't allow
you to do that. Once You've seen something, it's there,
even though I'd love to forget it, but that's not
going to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Did it cause you any stress or negative feelings over
the time, like I can't believe this, Am I crazy
or no one else believes I don't even want to
share it with.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Or I love camping and I'll never go again.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That is sad.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Every time I go near the woods, I need to
be out of there before dark. Really, it's just the
way it is, so you don't even camp to this
day because of that experience. We've taken our travel trailer
down to Estakada, where there's supposed to be some sightings.
But unless I'm in the trailer, that's my safety zone.
(37:47):
I have camp that way, but never again in a
pup tent out in the open.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Oh, you poor thing. I feel bad for people whose
sasquatches have changed the way they interact with the woods.
You know. I know some hunters who have never hunted
since they saw them, and this seems like something similar
to that. So it's unfortunate in a way because it
took something that you love.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It did. Yeah, but again, it's an experience that not
everybody gets to have, so I guess it's a fair trade.
I feel lucky in one way and cursed and any other.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So what are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I don't know this, I guess all right, Barbara, Well,
thank you very much for coming back and sharing your
story with our listeners again and taking time out of
your day. I apologize about the late start, but Bobo
is who he is, so when this episode comes out,
I'll send you a link to it so you can
hear what Bobo has to say about himself and how
(38:43):
he got into the house, because I'm sure that's going
to be a heck of a story.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Great.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Thank you, but thank you so much for your time
and your willingness to share. We really really appreciate it.
And hopefully more witnesses like you can step forward and
we can push the ball a little bit further down
the field and learn a little bit more about these things. Great.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
All right, listeners, there you go, another episode of Bigfoot
and Beyond with our fabulous witness Barbara, who came face
to face, I guess, with three of these things screaming
at her, and there's one behind in the dark, and
in a way I'm envious, and in a way I'm
super glad it didn't happen to me. But I'll tell
you it's a little bit of both. It's mostly envy,
but there's a little bit at the other side too.
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