CLASSICS: Chris Spencer's Sasquatch Studies!

In this archival "classic," Cliff Barackman speaks with Olympic Project member Chris Spencer! Chris has been studying sasquatch activity in the Pacific Northwest for several years, and was even a student of Dr. Grover Krantz. Chris' research has been focused on the Olympic Project's nest site in Washington, and he's here to bring us updates regarding new findings there! 

Olympic Project Audio Analysis: http://www.olympicproject.com/report-on-nest-area-vocalizations-featuring-chris-spencer-squatchermetrics/

Chris' YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@100cjspencer

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Our guest is a big footer for many, many years.
I know that I've interacted with this gentleman a couple
of times before, and I think I've been in the field,
but I can't. I don't know. I've been in the
field with so many people. Now I'm gonna have to
ask this gentleman here, Chris Spencer, if I've been in
the field with them, because I don't even remember. That's
how my life is, and honestly, that's more like how
my memory is more than my life. My memory is
pretty shoddy nowadays, which is why I try to write

(00:52):
everything down. But Chris Spencer has been a big footer
for a long time. He actually took a class from
Grover Krantz at W I want to ask him about that.
And he is a very active field guy. He's totally
knee deep into or actually necty probably into field vocalizations
and more. One of the key members of the Olympic Project,

(01:13):
and I'm just so pleased to be able to talk
to him. Thanks so much for quan on Bigfoot and beyond.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Thanks Cliff. I actually I totally understand the memory thing.
I feel like I'm fried all the time. My mind's
going all over the place. So we haven't been in
the field together, but we've run into each other at
conferences and stuff a number of times, and we have
mutual friends.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
So see, I thought I ran into you at one
of the Olympic Project gatherings. Although I haven't been on
one of those for a couple of years now, I
thought that you were around on one of those. But again,
I meet so many people. I just have to and
I'm not really good at people, you know, in a
lot of ways, like trying to keep everybody straight, and
names are like water in my hand that they just
go straight through. But I always recognize a face, and

(01:57):
I reckon, I know your face, so I just didn't
know where I knew it from.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Is all, no worries, man, I'm not a people person myself.
I'm kind of in my own zone most of the time.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So well, I think that that's one of the characteristics
very often of a lot of field people feel like,
you know, people who like to go out into the
woods and put their boots on the ground, and we
don't do that because we're we like to hang out
with people. Generally, we do that because we like the
solitude of the woods.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Exactly exactly. I just got back from the woods myself.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
So, oh, you were saying that on the on the
pre show there. Before we get into your current field
work and what your projects are, can we do a
little introductory session for the people listening, because they may
or may not know you. You're one of these people
that I have great respect for. I hear a lot
of good things about you from other people that I
also respect in the field. And one of the characteristics

(02:49):
of the people I respect the most is that they're
not out there all the time putting you know, like
Bobo and I. That's kind of how we make a living,
putting our faces out in front of everybody. But you're
not one of those people. You're out there kind of
working quietly in the woods, behind the scenes, in a
lot of places, a lot of situations, and I find
that very very respectable. Of course, so I imagine most

(03:10):
of our audience have not hasn't really heard of you
too much either, So tell us a little bit about
your background. I know you went to WSU and you
met doctor Krantz apparently, was that where the interest was
born or were you interested before that?

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Like most people, you know, I grew up in the seventies,
so I saw in search of and that was where
the interest probably started. But seriously thinking about it, didn't
occur until I started college and had Grover for anthropology
one oh one. Up to that point, you know, I

(03:45):
was interested because I was I was always into dinosaur's history,
the evolution of human beings. That's always fascinated me. And
growing up, my parents actually had a cabin in Packwood, Washington,
and me and my dad, when I was probably six
or seven, did find some tracks. And I don't remember

(04:07):
much about the tracks. I do remember my dad's reaction
at the time, and I just remember his eyes kind
of bulging out of his head and telling me to
get in the truck. And that was my first I
guess sasquatch experience. If that was indeed sasquatch tracks we found,
all I know is it creaked my dad out. But yeah,

(04:27):
going into the nineties, I started college in ninety one
and then I had Grover for anthropology one O one
the spring of ninety two. I had no idea he
was connected to the Bigfoot phenomena at all until one
day I walked into the lecture hall and on his

(04:49):
table was the reconstructed skull of Gigantopithecus and a bunch
of tracks. And to this day I wish I had
had a tape recorder. I have the note somewhere in
a box in my garage. But he basically covered the
whole topic. I guess he would devote one lecture a

(05:10):
semester to the topic of sasquatch. And up until that time,
you know, I was eighteen, just turned eighteen. Really, sasquatch
wasn't on my mind at that age, and my dad
had always said that Patterson Gimblin film was just a
guy in a suit. So I just kind of followed
along with what my dad's thoughts were until that class.

(05:33):
I can say when I left that lecture, I absolutely
believed that was a real animal, and I had a
totally different opinion of the subject. And I remember thinking
at the time, like this is crazy. This is an
actual scientist and he believes this is a real animal.
That held a lot of weight for me, and he did.

(05:53):
He actually had a copy of the Parison Gimblin film
which he showed us over a film projector, and he
went over all the reasons why he felt it was
a real animal and just kind of opened my eyes
to what was actually in the film. Of course, the
quality of the film he showed us was better than
what I ever saw on TV. So other than you know,

(06:15):
I don't remember exact details, but that's that's where kind
of my passion for the subject started. I didn't really
dive into actual field research or anything like that after that,
But after that class, that's when I pretty much made
up my mind in my head is there is something
to this and this is a real animal.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
What was the first time that you decided to do
This is a weird way to say, up, but do
something about that. You know that it's kind of a
weird way to frame that question. But I think you
hear the song I'm singing, right.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, yeah, so you know after that, Yeah, I'd gotten
a copy of his book Bigfootprints.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh did you get him to sign it? By the way.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yes I did.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Oh that's so cool. Good for you, man.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I also bought a copy of I Think that he
calls it dermals Cast. He talks about it in that book.
I have a copy of that I bought from him.
I didn't get him to sign that because I didn't
think of it, but I have a Yeah, I have
a copy of the dermals Cast from him, which is cool.
But after that, you know, life went on, and it

(07:16):
wasn't until twenty thirteen. You know, I followed this subject
as much as anyone with watching documentaries and TV shows
about it. In twenty thirteen, though, me and my son
had an experience. My son was thirteen. It was a
spring break and I bought him a Walmart two man

(07:37):
tent and he really wanted to use it. And it
was raining here. I'm in western Washington. It was raining
quite a bit. So I told him, I was like,
we'll jump on fourteen. We'll head east. And we came
to Skamania count of Campground, which is right on the
Columbia River, just past the wind River and it's only
you know, four or five acres maybe, and it's just wooded,

(08:00):
and you have Highway fourteen on one side of it.
You have the river on the other side of it,
and I think there's a baseball field there. But we
pulled into that campground and this was April fifth. The
campground had opened April first, and that year was a
really cold year, so I know the snow levels were
still down around two thousand feet and there were elk

(08:23):
down at lower levels. And so we went into this
campground and we were the only people there. I'm pretty
sure we were the first people there. And it was
the campground itself around it, most of the woods was
still pretty thick with just brushing vine maple. I think
there's like salmon berry vines growing around. And anyways, we

(08:47):
set up camp and we did a little walk around
and we actually found I have a picture. I actually
have it. I found a twist broken vine maple that
had been pushed behind a tree, and under beneath it
there was a there was like an eighteen by nine
inch impression in the pine needles and you could see
toes in It was pretty fresh. Actually have pictures of

(09:09):
it somewhere. But we kind of was like, wow, this
is really cool. Went off about our business. We went fishing,
and we came back and it started kind of sprinkling.
And that cheap, little two man tent didn't have a
rain fly. So I had tarps in my jeep and
I tied two small tarps over the top of it
with paracord. We went to bed, and I woke up,

(09:34):
you know, sometime after midnight hearing movement in the campground,
and my first thought was elk. And just before I
fell asleep, something grabbed those tarps and pulled on those tarps,
and I sat up and I cussed, and it woke
my son up, and I just told me it's all right,
go back to sleep, and I'd laid back down. I
was kind of thinking in my head. I'm like, did

(09:55):
I hear what I really heard? And you know, the
thought of that that track, we actually found several impressions
that day. The thought of those impressions and that limb
twist I were in my head and I was like,
am I freaking myself out or something? And just as
I was talking myself out of what I heard, it
happened again, and that time I hit the panic button

(10:17):
on my jeep and it lights flashed, horn honked, and anyways,
I didn't sleep the rest of the night. I heard
movement all night around around us, and I want to
say it was around four am. I heard a knock
and then everything kind of went quiet. I got up
at that Before that I couldn't get out of ten.
I was so scared. I got up, built up a fire,

(10:39):
waited for my son to get up, and when he
got out of the ten, I asked him, what did
you hear last night? And he goes, I heard you cussing,
and I heard the jeep horns and lights go off,
and that's it. And then I told him what I heard,
and he said, I don't want to stay here again tonight, Dad,
And I'm like, we're not, and we packed up and left.

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Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well. Yeah, that whole area right right at the wind
River Mouth area, I'm assuming that's where it was, is
very very good. I mean, everywhere from Beacon Rock has
just a ton of stuff At Beacon Rock. I've personally
investigated two or three sidings in and around the town
of Stevenson, which is right there. Of course, Dog Mountain
is over that general direction. I've got a couple of
things off of Dog Mountain as well, And of course

(13:13):
I personally investigated footprints and sidings and a whole lot
of historical stuff up the wind River Highway as well.
Of course, and you know the Scamania County law that
was passed in what seventy or seventy one or something,
maybe sixty nine, were right in there on April Fool's Day,
which is next week's anniversaries next week actually before we're
recording this. It's it followed a bunch of stuff that

(13:36):
happened up kind of near Panther Creek Campground and Bear
Creek actually specifically, which included sheriffs and whatever going up
and casting footprints and man that Yeah, that area is
just thick with Bigfoot history. So I'm not very surprised
at all, no matter how close you were to the
fourteen that something may have happened that night.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah. I actually I went back there the next year
and they'd actually cleaned up the campground, so all that
thicker cover that was in the trees around the campground
was cleaned up and you could see forever, so it
had changed. I haven't been there in a long time,
but I spent most of twenty fourteen just kind of
looking at reports on the BF site and running around

(14:18):
that area down there because of what had happened. And
it just dawned on me that, you know, I need
to go somewhere where there's where there's food. And I
saw a report David Ellis had taken in two thousand
and nine up by Mount Saint Helens, and I actually
ended up going up there and starting to throw out
audio recorders, maybe a mile from where that report was taken,

(14:40):
and sure enough, I actually recorded some suspicious stuff and
started talking to David a lot about it, and that
was an area that I investigated un till about twenty nineteen,
and since then I've been mainly working with the Olympic Project,
basically with Shane up in the Nest area.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Gotcha, So how far is it to the general air?
I mean, and I know where the nest is, but
nobody else says and people shouldn't know. So it takes
you what about from there? Probably about two hours for
you hour two and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Two and a half hours, about two and a half hours.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
And it's not that bad of a john. Okay, that's good.
So that's where that's your main site of research these days.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, that's about I'll have time for right now. You know.
I get together with other researchers from other groups, both
to me, Shane and and Todd. We go, we go
meet up with other people in other areas and do
some campouts every year, but mainly at least once a
month as much as we can. We're kind of up

(15:42):
in the Nest area. So that's honestly, you know. I
It's one of those things is I've been monitoring that
area with long term audio for two years now, and
I know they're a sasquatch there, so I really don't
have any reason to go somewhere else, and I really
want to learn more about that area, and it just

(16:05):
that's where most of my attention is.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, well, there's only so many hours in the day,
and it sounds that you have a family and all
that sort of stuff too. Yeah, you have to make
a use what time you have, you know. Yep, very good,
So you just said it. But what year did you
start getting involved with the Olympic project and the nest
site specifically?

Speaker 1 (16:23):
In twenty seventeen, Me and Shane had been going out
camping in other areas and we'd become friends. In twenty seventeen,
he actually invited me into the nest area, and I
want to say it was twenty actually twenty twenty right
after him, he and Todd walked in on a nest

(16:44):
being built. He asked me to come out and start
putting some of my long, long term audio recorders out there.
And so the first audio recorder I put out there
was right after that. I want to say it was
three weeks after they walked in on that nest bill
and then in twenty twenty one, I don't know if
you're familiar with Wes Liam from Squat from Metrics, He's

(17:09):
his thing is statistical analysis. And me and him were
talking and he's like, wouldn't it be cool to log
all the sounds from dust till dawn for as many
nights as we could get in there? And I was like,
let's do it. So I actually invested some money into
some SM four recorders, which is put out by Wildlife Bioacoustics.

(17:32):
These are recorders that actual scientists use, actual wildlife biologists
use to study other animals, and it allows you to record.
I mean they'll hold two one terabyte SD cards in them,
so if you have the power, you have the you
could actually record for months on end if that's what
you wanted to do. And so I set them up

(17:55):
so they were I basically get about fifty nights at
him at a time with each one, and we're up
there more than that. I don't like letting the recorders
go that long because it gets built up for review.
But we set up these long term recorders around the
nest area, one over by where the new one was
found and one in between, and one where they original

(18:19):
nests were found, and just basically started logging everything from
dusk till dawn, and I basically review audio and then
I punch it all into a spreadsheet send it to Wes.
And we haven't done the full analysis yet. I just
finished reviewing twenty twenty two. I actually got every single

(18:42):
night recorded in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty one, I
got fifty eight percent of nights, and he did a
light analysis. That light analysis is on the OP website
for anyone that wants to look at it. And as
soon as I get everything logged, probably this summer, he'll
start doing a more in depth analysis for twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
So you said fifty eight percent of the nights, so
you had some sort of activity that you would identify
as sasquatch.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
No no, no, no, no, no, no. Fifty eight percent
of nights for twenty twenty one were recorded. I'm just
talking about how many knights are recorded. The stats for
that or in the light version that's west made public
on the OP site last year. But we're there. We
were finding that there was a lot more suspicious sound

(19:32):
activity than we ever expected going into it. Me and Shane,
we've always assumed that they were only there at a
specific time of year when the when the thought was
the nests were being built. But what we found is
they're passing through the area pretty regularly. And it I
mean the in the wintertime of course, with weather and stuff.

(19:53):
And just because you don't record a suspicious sound doesn't
mean the absence of the animal. But on a regular base,
it's usually about every three nights, every three to four nights,
we get some kind of suspicious activity. And and what
I do with the spreadsheet, I'm not saying that everything
is sasquatch and I'm in the spreadsheet, everything's logged as

(20:16):
unknown or ambiguous, and ambiguous is usually something that is
too distant to really make an identification on. And it
could be it could be an unknown which we assume
woul might possibly be a sasquatch because of other things happening.

(20:37):
Usually there's not just vocalizations. There's gonna be percussive sounds.
And I want to also say they don't make a
lot of noise, so it's not like there's a ton
of noise going on and we're getting all these vocalizations
and percussives all the time. That's not happening. But on
a fairly regular basis there seems to be a present

(21:00):
in the area.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, I'm looking at the report right now, which of
course is on olympicproject dot com. That's under the I
think the new editions or something like that in recent editions,
something to that effect right now. And I love what
you guys have done. You've I'm looking at the page
right now where all the different species that you've been
able to identify so far have been tallied, and you
have right there unknown and also ambiguous, which I think

(21:22):
is a totally fruitful category to be putting a lot
of these things in because you may not know. And
one question that I know this over you hear in
the right gunshots, here's a question for you. How does
one differentiate between gunshots and wood knocks.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well, I've been reviewing Inspectrogram since twenty fifteen, and I've
done a lot of knocking experiments with my recorders. But
I've also talking with David Ellis and I've gotten a
lot of help from David Ellis and min Agahela on
all my audio. I've learned a lot from both of them.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, they're both I go to guys for audio stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Absolutely absolutely. But if you look at gunshots and spectrogram,
there's actually you'll see they'll be running usually down the
full range of frequencies, and there's usually a little pop
before the actual explosion of the gunshot. And the signature

(22:18):
itself looks once you've seen it enough, it looks totally
different from let's say a rock on rock or wood
on wood. It's hard for me to articulate, but when
I see it, I just I know it. I've when
I first started, I actually went out. I took one
of my recorders and I measured out ninety foot increments,
so thirty five yard increments, and I would hit a

(22:41):
tree with wood on wood, do rock on wood, and
do rock on rock out to about one hundred and
twenty yards, just to see what those sounds looked like
on my recorder in a spectrogram, and also kind of
to get an idea of how close these things were
occurring to my recorder.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
That's a good answer, because what you told me in
a nutshell is that they looked at for on a spectrograph,
and you've done experiments as a calibration marker. I guess
to see what knocks sound like, various kinds of knocks too,
wood on wood and rock on rock and a bunch
of other stuff like that, And certainly, I guess you
can always do more experimentation if you choose, but that's

(23:20):
a really good foundation on which you can build and
do some differentiation here.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, absolutely, because I don't shut the door on any sound.
It's sound unless you actually see the sound being created,
you can't really say exactly what it is, but you
can make some pretty good educated guesses.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Are there sounds on the Olympic Project website that people
can listen.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
To that's in the works. Shane's trying to get those
put up there. I do have a YouTube channel. It
was my personal YouTube channel, but I have stuff from
the Nest area on it now. I have some vocalizations
we call it singing vocalizations. We have some whistles. Most

(23:58):
of my YouTube though, I have known animal because I'm
constantly I want people to really look at the sounds
when instead of everything's as sasquatch when they record it,
to actually do some investigations. So I get sent audio
a lot, and so the the main contributors to that audio.

(24:21):
I try to put up examples of it, such as
Bardou and Kyote and giving different examples of those animals
because individual animals, individual animals within those species will create
their own noise and they will sound they have a
wide range, and they will sound screwing. And so there's
a lot of different vocalizations done by known animals that

(24:41):
are constantly, constantly being mistaken for sasquatch. So that's what
my YouTube's a lot of that is about. I put
up non animal sounds. I have like crows, crow talking,
crow knocking, because crows will actually make a percussive sound
with their mouths. And my YouTube channel it does have
unknown sounds that I attribute to sasquatch that were recorded

(25:04):
in the nest area. One in particular we called chimpfit
because it literally sounds like chimpanzees.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, I saw that there was a spectrograph in the
in the paper you guys have published on this particular vocalization.
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yes, that one. It's not the best recording because it
was actually recorded with one of my homemade long term
audio units, but it's profound because in spectrogram there's no
way you can mistake this for an owl or coyote signature.
It's its own signature. And I actually pulled some chimpanzee

(25:39):
vocalizations off the McCaulay Library sound to do comparison, and
it resembles chimpanzee vocalizations. Is specifically chimpanzees that were getting
excited when they were seeing their zookeepers come to them,
knowing that the zookeepers would have food, and the whole
structure of what happened in the nest of that those

(26:02):
vocalizations were not exactly the same as chimpanzee but really
profoundly close. Basically, what you had was in the nest
area an individual doing some high pitched whooping that built
up into a scream, actually two screams. There was another
individual distant making some noise, and then a third individual

(26:26):
doing very low pant hoots after the screamer screamed, and
I found two in the McCaulay library. So I found
several chimpanzee situations where you had a female chimpanzee getting
excited in a male chimpanzee doing very low pant hoots,
and both of them would build up into a scream.

(26:47):
And it was I do a whole YouTube breakdown of
it on my channel, and it to me, it was
like it's profound just because you can't miss it. This
is primate. Whatever I recorded in the Nest areas primate,
and it sounds a lot like chimpanzee.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
And for those people listening out there, his YouTube page
is Chris Spencer Toodle River Valley skuok him. I typed him.
Chris Spencer came up right away. But for those who
are a little bit more technically challenged, in case Bobo's
listening and he wants to try to go find this
YouTube page, you can just click the link in the
show notes. Okay, So some of the other findings of
your focus on the Nest site, what time of year

(27:25):
or let me ask you this, is there a time
of year that they seem to be more vocal in
the area.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Just for me reviewing, not going by any statistical analysis
that Wes has done yet. And what's funny is when
I give over the spreadsheets, Wes finds things that I
don't see. And I'm reviewing this stuff, but you know, basically,
fall is a big time. That period between August and

(27:52):
October this year at least was seemed to be quite
a bit and springtime it's actually doesn't prize of me
because as far as vocalizations go. That's kind of what
I found in the area I was investigating near Saint Helens.
And I mind you, when I was doing that, I
was only maybe recording three or four nights a week.

(28:15):
I wasn't recording every night, but it seemed to be
more vocalizations in the spring and in the fall, but
in the necessary one thing, Like I said, there's there's
been activity pretty much year round. I wouldn't. They're actively
walking through that particular those there's several ravines there. As

(28:38):
you know you've been there. They're actively walking through there
on a really regular basis. They're not like disappearing for
months on end. They're still there. They're utilizing that area.
And actually, right now, that's kind of our focus right
now is we've got this audio, we've got an idea
of where a lot of the sounds we've recorded are
coming from, and we're actively looking for physical evidence of

(29:02):
their travels. And we actually we found some physical evidence tuesday.
I'm actually really excited right now. It's an exciting time
because it's one thing to capture this audio, but then
to have some kind of confirming evidence that yes, indeed
you're recording something there should be physical evidence. If a
sasquatch is making these noises, and you know you've been

(29:25):
in the nest area, there's going to be physical evidence there.
They've got to be causing some kind of damage to
the environment that we can find. And that's kind of
our focus right now is I'm slowing down on the
audio and now we're focused on really getting in there
and exploring around and looking for that physical evidence.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
And can you tell us what sort of physical evidence
you came across on Tuesday?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
So we look for huckleberry breaks, and I'll go back
a little bit. In twenty twenty one. Shane had gone
into the area by himself and you noticed some fresh
huckleberry breaks from the logging road that when off towards
one of these ravines. Well, myself, Rebecca and Todd came
in with him a week or so later, and we

(30:09):
did some hiking and we found that there was these
trails of broken huckleberries ranging from four feet high up
to the highest seven feet up. The branches broken off
and discarded on the ground, and all the bushes had
berries on them, but the branches that were broken off
and discarded on the ground were lacking berries. None of

(30:29):
the branches had tooth marks or claw marks or cut marks,
and some of them were quite large. Some of them
were an inch and a half in diameter. Twists broke
off and like I said, stripped of berries. And on
top of this, Todd Hill actually located where they had
crossed one of the logging roads from They were traveling

(30:52):
from one ravine to the other ravine and they had
crossed one of these logging roads, and we found several
sets of impressions. Was about a seventeen inch in length.
I can't remember the width, but Todd took a he
has both of us now have the Scandy pro app
on our phones, and he took a scan of it.

(31:12):
It's one of those deals we kick ourselves. Now, we
should have cast it. We did not. I don't think
we had any casting material with us. But it was
a really good impression where you can see that you
would know better that mid push up, that breaking point
where the flexibility of the foot where they kind of
has a push up bridge in the middle of it,

(31:33):
and you can see toe detail in it. But yeah,
so we've got these huckleberry brakes and this was a
lot of damage. It wasn't just like a few here
and there. This was like a clear trail of multiple
animals going through the huckleberry for over one hundred yards
from one ravine to the other end. It was just
so obvious they were stripping the berries off and just

(31:56):
discarding the branches. Now fast forward to the last Tuesday,
this one particular ravine over the ravine that the new
nest was found on. Further I would say, further to
the west of that, we decided to explore an area
that no one has explored before, and that's where a
lot of the sound we believe was coming from. We

(32:19):
fought our way into it and it was a fight.
It was. It was brutal. I know both Shane and
I have mentioned many times in the past how brutal
it is in there, but this was worse than ever
in thickness of huckleberry. And we got to this one
area where stuff started clearing out and we started finding
these breaks and the the Once again, it was the

(32:42):
same scenario. You had huckleberry ranging from four feet up
to all the way up to seven feet broken off,
twist broke, pulled, broke, and it was older and me
and Shane kind of figured this happened last fall. This
was they were in here feet last fall and you
could see trails that had been mashed down where something

(33:07):
large and been walking through the area. Shane actually got
we got a lot of video of it, but Shane
took a really cool video. He found one branch that
it was an inch and half piece of huckleberry maybe
two feet long, hanging out of a cedar tree like
it had been just tossed over someone's shoulder. Then at least
that's what I envisioned my head. But it was exciting

(33:29):
because it was the same thing we found in twenty
twenty one, and we figure it happened probably about the
same time in twenty twenty two looking at the age
of the breaks that it was probably about six months
ago and it was obvious feeding feeding behavior in our opinion.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages and the next
This is like a sponge that you continue to squeeze
and get a little bit more water every single time
out of it's kind of a neat situation. Any news
on them logging it or when shutting you guys out

(34:10):
on that.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
That's last I heard was they didn't have any permits
to log it. But that's one of our concerns, and
that's why we're trying to do as much as we
can exploring this year. We're actively looking at areas connected
to the nest area to move into and search. But
this area particularly, we want to, like you said, go

(34:32):
in there because it I mean, there could be stuff
five feet away from you you wouldn't see unless you
walked right up on top of it. But as far
as them logging it, we don't know. But I do
know this. There's some new surveyor tape on one of
the ravines that wasn't there the year before, So I
know that the timber surveyors are starting to survey, which

(34:55):
is an indication that there's going to be some logging
in the future, hopefully not soon, but I don't know yet.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, it was kind of a big area too, though.
Imagine they can log one area and just push them
somewhere else for a little while and you can just
change your focus in there. But you know, I would
have to agree that, like my work in my field,
areas are indicating one of the things that you mentioned
that is kind of goes against the grain. I guess
of what a lot of people have assumed for a
long time and big for research, and that is that

(35:24):
I strongly believe now that they stay in the same
area pretty much all the time. And mind you, that
area might be very large, and I know the nest
site area in the surrounding area it's very large area.
But my area is ten miles by ten miles probably,
And oh that sounds it's not a really big area.
But I mean, you know, in the words of Stephen right,
it's a small world. But I wouldn't want to paint
it right. Yeah, it's a tremendously large area when you're

(35:47):
walking through the brush and trying to find minuscule trace
evidence of something with big, soft, padded feet moving by.
But so far, one of my areas has yielded footprints
and casts five eight times now, actually longer than that
because other people have been working it too. But it's
all from the same area and it doesn't matter what
time of year. The only thing that we're noticing is

(36:09):
that it happens about once every three months. That's when
we stumble across something. That doesn't mean they're not there otherwise,
but that's just when I happen to get we happen
to get lucky. And so far the pattern is once
every three months we're walking away with something like a cup,
a footprint cast or two. But obviously they're they're more
often than that. So again I think that this idea

(36:30):
that they migrate or they've all moved to the coast
or or you know all that stuff. I just think
it's if they don't have to move, they won't. Why
would they.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I one hundred percent agree with you, And I've heard
you talk about what you're doing, and I'm always like, yeah,
And if you look at the nest aary there's food wise,
there is absolutely no reason for them to travel. There's none.
I mean, there are so many different opportunities there. Why
would you travel if you didn't have to? And the
thick cover have the cover to conceal themselves and operate

(37:04):
without being noticed by humans.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
And they also have that benefit of private land. It's
logging land, but it's private land. And that's the case
in one of my areas as well. The national forests
that we go on borders logging land essentially, and we
have a permit for that logging land. So now we
can go on there, and we've started doing so. But nonetheless,
all of our best stuff is coming either right at

(37:27):
the border, like on the Forest Service land, or just
across the border into the Warehouser land in this case. Yeah,
so I don't think they're moving very far. And one
of the other things I've noticed from the Squatdronmetrics paper
that you have published is something else that was pointed
out to me twenty years ago by Kathy Strain, is
that there's something going on with coyotes. There's just something

(37:49):
going on. Can you talk about what you've been learning
from your studies of listening to vocalizations about the connection,
the possible probable in my opinion, connection between sasquatches and coyotes.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Absolutely, it's one of my favorite things. So kyriees they
live in family groups and the alpha it's basically the
alpha male and alpha female and their children. That's basically
a kyote pack. And when a larger predator comes in
the area, usually the alpha male will do what I
call a warning location call, where he kind of does

(38:22):
that kill deer thing where he brings attention to himself
while warning his family that there's something bigger in the areas.
Such as a cougar, because cougars actively hunt coyotes. And
one thing I noticed that the call is basically it
can be a scream how a scream yodel, or like
scream barking, and the kyote will do this, you know,

(38:46):
for seconds up to I've recorded it for hours where
the kyote is running around doing this call all night long.
And we noticed on nights that we were getting suspect activity,
the coyote in that area was making the coyote warning
call the same time and within if not the same night,

(39:10):
but within a twenty four hour period of picking up
suspect sounds, there's kyote warning location calls going off. I
think the night that chimp fit was recorded, there were
sixteen other suspicious vocalizations, but there were seventeen kyoute warning
calls and in some cases that kyote went on for

(39:31):
an hour straight scream barking and scream howling. There's absolutely
a connection to kyotes in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Do you have any speculations as to what that might be.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well, I would suggest that sasquatch would be a bigger
predator than kyote, and the coyotes probably not wanting to
interact with that sasquatch and wants his family to know
there's a sasquatch in the area.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Okay, So you think that is just kind of coincidence
that the sasquatches and coyotes are in the same area
and the kyotes are just giving a heads up that
they're around.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, I think because I get kyote vocalizations regular, just
howling or the pack in the pups, especially in the spring,
you'll get the pups going off and just you're you know,
when you have multiple kyouts going off, howling, yipping and yodling,
that's that's common. And then when it's the warning call,

(40:23):
is always a single kyote making that house scream. And
you know, actually I get the house scream gets sent
to me. People think that's bigfoot all the time, and
I'm like, no, that's kyot. And like I said earlier,
different animals, individual animals within a species can make different

(40:43):
sounding calls. And I've got kyotes that I have really
deep voices and kaouts that have really high voices, and
they they all do that scream how And some people
mistake that how for sasquatch quite a bit. Actually, it's
kind of a running joke. It's always like, what do
you think it is, Chris, and is like coyote when

(41:05):
I get sent audio bit that I think what's happening
is the kyotes are there, they're running doing whatever they're
doing as kyotes, and when our target subjects are coming
into the area, that alpha male is letting the rest
of the pack know that the target subjects in the area.
You know, I could be wrong. It could be because
there's a cougar in the area. But when you look

(41:27):
at it from a statistical standpoint, as West has, every
time I've logged a suspicious vocalization and suspicious percussives is
within twenty four hours twelve hours each side of those occurring,
if not right after those occur, I'm getting kyote warning calls.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Well, it makes sense, I think, you know, because no
matter how good a recorder you have, it only picks
up so far, and those coyotes would have to be
in the same general area as in the suspicious possible
sasquatch noises as well, which actually brings some brings a
question up as far as maybe calibration or just for
your own purposes, have you figured have you recorded vocalizations

(42:10):
because you said you have more than one recorder out
in the area. Have you recorded a vocalization on both
recorders at the same time, Yes, I have you have? Okay, okay?
Does that help you place where they might be coming from?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (42:25):
How do you? How do you do that?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Well? You can inspectro Graham. You can see the strength
of the signature, how hard it's hitting on it, and
when it's let's say that my long term recorder in
Nest eary three, that's one of our designated areas I've
picked up. We get a lot of scream roars. That's
one of the vocals we get. I've picked up scream

(42:49):
roar closer to it, while also picking it up over
by the old Nest area further away. And also when
I placed my recorders, all my recorders are running on
stereo mics. I can see each channel for each recorder
in the spectrogram which Mike is picking up that signal strongest.
So I can kind of figure out, Okay, I know

(43:12):
when I place my recorders, I place the mics are
either pointed north, south or east west. I try to
orient them so I know what direction each mic has pointed,
so I can start putting a picture together where those
vocals are coming from. So I got this vocals it's
in Nestary three closer uh, and it's hitting on the

(43:33):
right mic, which is pointed north, So that means it's
actually in between Nestary three and another recording area we
call fresh camp or have another recorder, so it gives
me a rough idea where the vocals are coming from.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
By doing this, have you noticed that the vocalizations continue
to come from the same general areas.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yes, there, I've actually moved recorders into areas because of
that to try to capture closer vocalizations. It sounds messed up,
but they find my recorders, they know my recorders are there.
And there's one place where I had actually stuck it
deep in the ravine where I knew most of the

(44:13):
vocalizations were coming from, and they shut up, but they
started power knocking next to that recorder. They would go
by that recorder and do a slam grand home run
next to that recorder versus making any kind of vocalization.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, it's kind of sounds like maybe it's a heads
up or something like that. Yeah, one of the things
I've noticed over the years, And I'd like to know
your thoughts on This is a lot of times, and
I'm not the only person who's notices. I don't think
when you first show up, or when somebody leaves an
area and leave somebody behind, that's when they tend to knock,
right m hmm absolutely, okay, yeah, so, which gives me

(44:53):
some sort of comfort in speculating that that would be
a hey, something's changed, or hey, something's unusual. There's something's
going on here, pay attention, which might go well with this.
When you move your recorder into an area, they do
a couple of power knocks just to let you know,
let other people know. It's just like coyotes doing they're
not or do not not knocks, but you know they're

(45:14):
calls like something's up called.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
I always say when people contact me, you want to
start doing this type of stuff the long term recording.
I pretty much everywhere that I've ever done this, at
some point in time, whether the sasquatch are seeing me
going back and forth through the recorder, over time, they
figure out there's something there and there's going to be

(45:38):
a power knock, if not on the tree next to it,
there's going to be some kind of acknowledgment of it.
And I just take it as stupid human thing right here.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Will be right back after these messages. Yeah, so to
those ends, I know, there's not a lot of stupid
human things out in the nest site area, but there
are a couple. There are some human things out there.
There's some structures, for example, and gates, and probably a

(46:16):
handful of other things. I haven't even run across yet,
power line poles or something. I know there's bound to
be a couple of things. Have you thought about hanging
technology on or around those not?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
At this point, we basically have been focusing on the
ravines where the nests were originally found in. But actually,
you know, it's funny. Yesterday we tried to go to
the one structure you're talking about. I think you visited
it with Shane at one point, and we got some
wild dogs chased us off.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Basically, yeah, man, who knows who's living in that thing? Man?
Because somebody is.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Sometimes it was a little bit scary. Oh yeah, No,
I've and I've gotten you know, I've recorded some percussives,
not a lot, but I've recorded a few percussives that
were on seem to be on metal, and whether they're
on the on the gates or not, that there seems

(47:11):
to be some hitting of metal at some points in time.
Whether that's our target subjects or not, I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Oh that that brings up another question. I like to
ask people like yourself who are kind of like the
sound nerds, you know, have you recorded other sounds that
are completely out of place? The one I always bring up,
or card door slamming, because I've heard it myself, I've
been with people who've heard it. Bobo's heard it. ANYWAC
guys have heard it down at Area X. It seems
to be something having to do with sasquatches, probably some

(47:41):
sort of imitation that they make. I'm guessing at this point,
have you recorded any unusual sounds that you have a
sneaking suspicion might be sasquatches, even though it doesn't sound
like that. Besides, and of course you just mentioned one,
but anything else.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
As far as like if you're percussive. Never gotten anything
like a car door I've heard of that one before,
but I've never gotten anything like that. I've gotten some
odd vocals that kind of made me pause. But nothing
that I would think they were mimicking anything.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Okay, now you mentioned singing though, like that suspicious singing,
and that of course on your website. Oh it's even
called suspicious singing now that I look at it. What
a coincidence? Do you think that might be a sasquatch?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh? Absolutely, I call it. See I've always called those
vocalizations high low vocals. You'll usually have a vocalizer hitting
really low on the Hurtz range and then a responding vocalizer.
It's arguable whether it's the same vocalizer or not. I
think it's two different individuals hitting really high notes. And

(48:52):
that's been recorded not only in the necess area, that's
been recorded in other areas. I've talked with Managa Halo
about it. David has has gotten the same kind of
vocalizations from other areas. Kirk Brandenberg recorded something similar in
an area of interest, and I've always called him high low,
but Monogahala and David call him singing vocalizations. So that's

(49:15):
why I've been referring to him as singing vocalizations. Now,
I mean some of them, I don't know human that
would do that kind of vocalization. I'm not saying that
it couldn't be done. That's one thing I always tell people.
The biggest worry when I'm recording is the human contamination,

(49:36):
because no matter what anyone says, human beings can make
most the sounds that sasquatch make, and vice versa. So
I'm always really worried about human beings in the area
making vocalizations when I'm recording. But that that sing song
high low or low high vocals, there's a brassy tone

(49:59):
to them. There's a deep almost echoing with it. I
can't articulate it as well as David Elis says, but
it's just they're odd.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Well, you know it says it's on your website, it's
the YouTube channel here. Why don't we play it for
our listeners. They can put their ears on it and
hear what we're talking about here. That's interesting setting, very

(50:54):
almost whistley in a way, but not quite. What software
do you use for your work here?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I used Audacity. I used the spectrogram in Audacity. I
originally start out with Sonic Visualizer, and then you know,
most of the stuff I was finding in Sonic Visualizer
I would clip anyways in Audacity, so I switched over
to a dasty. Also, I started talking with Monoga Halo
a lot, and he uses Audacity, and I just got

(51:21):
used to using that spectrogram. One other thing I noticed
in Sonic Visualizer when I was reviewing and I'd see something,
I would play it within the program of Sonic Visualizer,
and then when I'd moved that file to Audacity to clip,
when I played in Audacity, it didn't sound the same.
So Sonic Visualizer, as far as audible noises in, it

(51:46):
kind of distorts what you're you're listening to. Where's audacity,
You're listening to what your recorder actually recorded. So that's
why I went with that.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Oh okay, I wasn't a word that audacity, I see.
I don't use those. I have a I subscribed to
the Adobe Cree Native Suite for the museum because I
use you know, Illustrator and you know Premiere for our
member videos and photoshop, and so I just have whatever
that they have as used to be called a sound booth.
I think it's called Audition or something now I'm not
sure what it is, but that's what I use just

(52:17):
but I have a subscription for it. Most people do,
in fact, use Audacity and that wasn't aware that they
had a spectrograph built into the program.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yeah, it took me. If you go to Minoga Hala's YouTube,
I think he has some video in there how he
sets it up. I actually made a YouTube video myself.
It's on my channel on how I set it up
and I set my spectrogram in Audacity up exactly like
Minoga Hala does.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah. Well, I mean he's one of the best, so
you definitely want to follow any advice that he gives.
I think that everybody should listen very closely to yep
and under your kind of summary areas of focus page
on your presentation from squad from Metrics that you can
download or look at right now at the Olympic Project,
it notes the time of day that most vocalizations are

(53:05):
recording for, which brings up two questions or two thoughts.
I guess number one, do you record twenty four to
seven or do you set it for sunrise sundown? What's
your timing? Because I have a bunch of long duration
recorders out I think I have two or three deployed
at this very moment. I generally set them from about
this time of year, probably about seven to seven or

(53:25):
something like that. What do you do.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I'm pretty much doing the same thing. I look at
when the recording dusk still done. I'm not recording all
day long. It's not that you not that sasquatch couldn't
be making some kind of vocal during the day. I
just don't think they do it during the day is often,
and most noise is going to happen at night, when
I think they're more comfortable. But basically about an hour

(53:50):
before before dusk and about an hour after dawn. That's
what I set the recorders for. During the wintertime, I'll
have them record fourteen hours. By summertime, I'm only recording
nine hours. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
And also it's a it's a thing that sound actually
travels better at night. It has to do a temperature
or water content in the air or something like that,
but you'd probably be better off. Yeah. So that was
one of the things I wanted to see what you're doing,
because you know, I don't know a lot about anything, really,
and I only know as much as I do because
I surround myself with people who are really into what

(54:25):
they do and people who are smarter than me, and
all that sort of stuff. You know, it's what any
you know, person who runs a business for example, like
I do, or you know is on a team member
or any sort, does you know? You surround yourself with
people who are smarter than you and so you can
contribute as well. I want to make sure that I
was doing something right. God knows. Man, If I'm not
making a mistake, I'm probably asleep, is my thought on it.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
But that's science, man. Science is a series of mistakes.
That's how we learn. I mean, I make mistakes all
the time. I'm I'm self taught on all this as
just have a path for it, and I just want
to I just want to learn as much as I
can about about hard special animals.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
So right right, I'll tell you, Yeah, it's nice to
be able to make us mistakes and be okay with it.
I might mind tend to be rather high profile mistakes
that people throw throw stones at me for, I guess,
but whatever, screw it, I'm okay with it. And my
other question about the time of day stuff is that
it says here that most of the air, most of
the most of the unknown vocalizations. According to this, almost

(55:32):
eighty five percent of them happened before one am. Now
that's something that very informally, just you know, uh, my
own work in the field there out in the woods.
It seems that the sweet spot for me hearing vocalizations
is generally between eleven and two somewhere around there. And
that's just been my gut feeling. I don't have any

(55:53):
numbers to back it up or anything. But also, to
be fair, I tend to fall asleep sometime around three,
so I didn't know if so. I'm kind of happy
in a way that I see that perhaps I'm not
missing as much as I thought I was. But of
course I know I'm missing something. But what are your
thoughts on when they seem to be vocalizing? And do
you have any idea why.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
As far as in the nestory? And I always kind
of throw it out there that what these individuals are
doing might be different than individuals in another area are doing.
But like West found when he was running the numbers,
he's like, there's a huge shift from vocalizations to percussive

(56:34):
sounds after one am, And I still have vocals after
one am. I still, I mean, I got some pretty
interesting vocals, you know, right there at dawn at five am.
But generally speaking, vocalizations are happening from dusk till one am,
and then you see a shift to if there is

(56:54):
anything suspicious going on, some percussive sounds. And I actually
they use a lot of percussive sounds in my opinion.
But as far as why that is, I honestly at
this point I haven't deviled in my brain that far.
I'm just I'm kind of in that mode of log

(57:15):
everything and get it punched in the spreadsheet and send
it to Wes and start really hypothesizing later.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
No, I get it yet, do the work. Let the
nerds figure it out, right. I get it now. But
I'm a nerd too, so that's why I say that
so happily. By the way, do you notice because they're
vocalizing at the front part of the night, you know,
the first part of the night, is there a pick
up at the end of the night before daylight?

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I haven't. In reviewing, I haven't seen that. I've seen,
like I said, mostly percussives like this one area. What
I find interesting is there'll be a shift in times
that they're passing by the recorder. At least that's my
interpretation of it. In one area. In September, I was

(58:01):
getting a lot of percussive sounds between four and five.
It's like they're coming by the recorder every other morning
between four and five on their way to do whatever
they're doing and slamming a tree and I've got a
couple vocals with that, some whoops, but nothing like a
lot of vocalization. And then somewhere it shifted around October.

(58:25):
They kind of went quiet, and then all of a sudden,
I started getting the same kind of percussives between ten
and eleven, and it's like, Okay, something changed in their schedule.
Now they're moving through that area at a different time.
So little things like that that's actually intrigued me, is like,
why is this happening. There's obviously a change in whatever
routine they got going.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
It'll be interesting to see if that pattern holds up
year to year as well.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Absolutely. Yeah, I'm I'm you know, I see things as
I review, but I forget things a lot because I'm
constantly reviewing and reviewing three different recorders from the same area.
That's one thing. It gets a little monotonous when I
review one recorder and then I got to review the
recorder that's a quarter mile away from it the same
time period, and then stuff gets jumbled in my head.

(59:13):
But I have tons of notebooks, so.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Well, yeah, at at least you're doing that, you know,
leaving something behind, because once the animals are recognized by
academia and everybody else, this is history. We're making history,
and if you're doing it right, your history will be remembered.
You know. That's something that's kind of cool. It's not
the reason to do it. It's not like an ego thing,
but at the same time, it's it's kind of neat
to know that you're contributing to something that will outlast

(59:39):
all of us, you know.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah, and that's kind of my hope. I don't look
at I'm like I'm doing anything profound or shocking. I'm
just I'm doing what I enjoy doing for one, and
then you know, and then two, I think it's important
and there's somebody else a lot smarter than me down
the road, my baible use some of this for whatever purpose,

(01:00:02):
you know. I don't look at it as like I
don't know, I just look at it as something that
needs to be done, and you know, ten years down
the road, someone else might be able to do something
with it that I can't think of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Right. Look at all the information we're still getting out of,
say the Patterson Gimlin film, you know, over fifty years
ago now, or even new stuff was discovered about the
Jerry Crew cast, you know, as recently as the late
two thousands, you know, two thousands, what is it, fourteen?
I think new stuff was discovered about the Jerry Crew cast. Yeah,
so you just never know, collect it all and let

(01:00:35):
the future nerds, you know, sort it out. It's kind
of my thought. But I think you hit upon something
that I think is the most important thing about sasquatch stuff.
You enjoy it, I sincerely think, I mean, do the
I think all of us should be out there doing
the best job we possibly can with gathering stuff. But
there's so many different ways to pursue this subject, and

(01:00:57):
there's so many cool avenues of inquiry and that have
never been thought of. And just to do what you
like to do in this field is its own reward
in my thought, you know, in my opinion. So, Chris,
I think you're doing great work. You're doing it for
the right reasons. You've got the primo spot.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
It is fantastic. Where can people follow what you're doing.
I mean, you have the YouTube channel, which of course
is the links in the show notes here, But if
you're driving and you just want to write things down
or something, it's Chris Spencer, Toodle River Valley, scook Them
anything else going on you want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
No, that's that's pretty much it. We're trying to get
the OP website updated more and more often and try
We're hopefully going to get links to my YouTube channel
onto the OP website and as far as whenever we
get done, when West gets done with any kind of
statistical analysis, we'll be putting that up on the OP

(01:01:54):
website as well well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Fantastic. I want to thank you for your time and
your research and all that stuff, and if you have time,
I'd love to talk to you. In our member section.
We have a little membership and of course for people
who are listening and want to become a member. Basically
what you get. I mean, somebody was complaining I guess
this past week on social media we save all the
good stuff for our members, and I want to point
out that that is inaccurate. By the way, what members

(01:02:19):
get is extra stuff. We don't save all the good stuff.
We do occasionally post photographs or something on our members
because there's no other place for us to do that.
But you know, just so you know, don't feel like
you're being cheated if you can't. You know, you don't
want to pay the five dollars a month or something
like that. Relax, everything's cool. You're our friend, We love you. You know,
we're all BFFs here, bigfoot friends. Everything's cool. Don't worry

(01:02:41):
about it. But you get extra stuff, not the best stuff,
Like we don't save the very very best stuff for
people who give us five bucks a month. We just
give them more stuff. So don't think about it like that.
We're all friends here again, BFFs, bigfoot friends. That's us.
Cliff and Bobo are your best friends, best Bigfoot friends anyway.

(01:03:02):
So if you want to become a member, go to
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and have Chris on for our membership section and we'll
talk about more stuff so thank you very much, Chris

(01:03:23):
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