CLASSICS: Nick Groff!

In the spirit of the spooky season, here's another "classic" episode from the archives! Cliff and Bobo chat with paranormal investigator Nick Groff about poltergeists, haunted places, and more! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Live stock s and me just go on yesterday.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Listening, oh watching, always keep its watching.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.
What's happening in Cliff.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Lots of stuff is happening man, Yeah, lots of Bigfoot stuff,
lots of museum stuff, lots of Cliff stuff. What about you?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Gosh uh, I didn't think of it. I don't even
know what to say.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
You weren't prepared for did you know what the podcast tonight?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm well, I've gone to the red Woods a couple
of times and I got that picture from you, from
the guy from Fern Kennedy upside down tree.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah yeah yeah. So so for our listeners, I would
send this photograph for actually a little video of a tree,
you know, shoved in the ground, roots up, you know,
like the ones on Prince of Wales's Island or whatever.
And I sent it off to Bobo because it was
in his neighborhood. What did you find out about it?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I think it was really old. I'm pretty sure I
saw that tree like that, like years a few years
ago or more, but it's fern canyons. It's like a
it's part of that whole reged National park like World Heritage.
So it's beautiful. You've seen it in it's in Jurassic Park,
the first one where the fact guy rolls down and
from sion feldon Newman it gets eaten by the little critters. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:33):
So anyways they got it's like a vertical forty football canyon.
I've seen when the trees come down. They don't slide
down a hilly that's come down, They just fall and
sometimes they come down head first, you know, the top
of the root wad in the air, and I think
that was just something natural. Then the rest of the
landslide got washed away, or maybe they'll have handtraw crews
like the CCC guys, like the you know the kids

(01:53):
that are like in work camp. They'll have those guys
out there and clear stuff out. So I could just
see those guys. It was already partially that way. I'm going, hey,
let's just dig around it a little bit and pack
it in there, and you know, we clear the restless
to be sitting there like that. You know, I could
totally see that happening.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, Now, what are your thoughts about those root ball
up sort of tree things, like, do you think those
are sasquatch related or otherwise?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I think most aren't, but I think a few of
them are.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Really no, no, if they are sasquatch. And see, because
I don't think any of them are, I'm going to
be their curmudgeon. I'm going to be the skeptic. I'm
going to be the dick, you know. So like, I
don't think any of them are, because why in the
world would a bigfoot expend that many calories doing such
a thing intimidation?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Just how big and strong they are?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Possibly, yeah, okay, that's really a reasonable assumption.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
You're not.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
It doesn't convince me, but I can see how that
would be a reason.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
And it stands out like you know, you're you'ren smell,
you're marketing your church truck can wash away and the
rain stuff. But the upside down trees stuck in the ground,
I'm more. I think more of the ones where you
see the branches the button broken off branches shut in
the ground, making the x the trail with like one
butt on each side of the trail. I think that squatch.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, I think that's very possible as well. I've always
I've very skeptical about these upside down three things because
it's something you told me. Loggers do weird stuff when
there's nothing going on.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Oh dude, that's going to who would do such thing
like we did?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah, because you worked on logging crews for years.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Right, Yeah, yeah, we're Yeah. I mean it was super hot.
We are laying up in the shade. We build dams
and carved wooden boats, then let the dam build up
for like an hour and then busted open and have
a flash led down the mountain. Whose both those the
first one? Like just stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, because at the end of the day, I mean,
whether you're fifty or twenty, it doesn't really matter because
you're still ten no matter what you are. So some
fifty year olds have having access to excavators and tractors
and front loaders and like the sky's a limit. I
mean it's it's Tonka truck. These are all Tonka trucks,
but life size. And then you get a bunch of

(04:00):
boored dudes out in the woods that like, okay, no
one's working until five or six or tomorrow or something.
And you have these excavators at your disposal. You're gonna
build some weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, put big boulders up onto of stumps and stuff
like that. Seeing all that stuff. But you know what,
this is Bigfoot beyond. We're talking the big Foot. But
we got some beyond coming up today.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
We got I am excited. I am super excited about
this one. Actually, now you don't know that, Cliff, I
do know. You told me.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh it's trying to surprise you.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Oh you shouldn't have told me. Then that's a really
bad way to surprise me.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
But it's our our good bro And go to Ghost
Advisor and the seventh or eighth sexiest man in Paranormal,
Nick Groff, is with us tonight.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Nick, guys, I like like six to seventh or eighth
or whatever be the other ones. I'm up against you, Bobo.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
No, I just saw this one time.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Oh yeah, number twelve. I think number twelve. Yeah, I'm
trying to work my way up to the top. But
I maybe.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Well you are will take him out for you.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Yeah, there you go. Maybe my second life. Who knows
you did get in.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
The Big Bay Suit competition. You're going to really shine
on the question and answer part.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I know.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
That's why I'm losing. I got to read the dictionary
a little bit better, so my vocabulary spawns more.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
So.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
How's that for a welcome. I've probably never been welcomed
like that anywhere?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Have you? No?

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I know it's too bad you can't see me right now,
but I am wearing a speedo and I'm just sitting here.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
You know, that's where when I think about you, that's
always how I picture you.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
You ever addressed for this podcast?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
I know, Well, you're just you're natural today, Bobo, just
in the wall, Commando. There you go. You know, funny
funny thing is is not a lot of people know
that I was a swimmer from age six years old
to thirteen. So speedo was just like an ordinary thing,
you know, back when I was a kid and stuff.
It was no big deal in the age nineties or whatever.

(06:00):
But we were competitive swimmers, my sister and I. So
it's kind of funny to me, like if you would
picture that today, just showing up at the beach or
something like that, you know, well, can you imagine.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
The best thing I saw was? I don't know if
you guys remember this old band Tsol You might remember them, Cliff.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, totally like yeah that if they weren't
a Long Beach fan. They played in Long Beach all
the time, vendors and everything.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, there's some of the Barns and those guys from
Long Beach, but they Jack the singer's just like one
of the ten craziest guys wild. This dude's all time
rock and roll history. We went surfing one time in
hunting to Beach in the middle of summer, and he
was wearing just a pair of pink speedos and black
letters across the butt said f off, but it's spelled
out the F word.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's pretty classy. You got so many looks.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And I bet it was about your speedo, Nick, what
was your speed.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Let's talk about mine. Well, I mean I was eight,
so I don't really remember, No, it was. It's funny.
Just used to be a competitive swimmer for a long time. Actually,
my sister went to University of Arizona u of A

(07:11):
for a full scholarship for swimming. She missed the Olympics
time like half a second or something like that in backstroke,
but I mean she was one of the top elite
and they were breeding me the same way. I just didn't.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
At age thirteen, I just kind of got sick of
the cold water, to be honest with you. I was
so sick of the cold water swimming in it. So
I was like, I want to do basketball in every
other sport.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
So if you were born in another state, you know,
maybe you would have taken to it more.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, I think so if I was in like Arizona
or somewhere where it's warm. But I mean I was
in New Hampshire. I grew up in New England and man,
it's freaking cold in the winter times or like because
we would go to swim before we would start school.
So we would go there at like five am, swim
for two hours, go to school, come back and swim
them at night too. Every single day. It was insane.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
So I think that's where a lot of my craziness
comes from, of being an adventurer and going into i
don't know, crazy abandoned buildings or caverns or mind you.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Pushing yourself, you gott toughness. Yeah. Nick's a great athlete.
I mean, besides being the competitive swimer as a kid,
he went to college on a full ride in Nevada
for soccer, and then I've seen him movies. Great. I
mean he could have played college ball, I'm sure. And
we posted a couple of videos like Nick shooting half
court shots through and remember that. That was incredible.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Did you see that, Cliff, I did see that. Yeah,
it was incredible.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
That was fun Well, it's a funny story because I
got bored. It was crypticon and we moved it there
in Lexington cryptocon convention, and basically I was just chilling
and I got bored. So I was in jeans, I
was waiting around, and I went and I found a
half court indoor basketball court, and I was like, this
is awesome. So I started playing ball by myself and

(09:01):
walks Bobo and somebody else and I'm there, shirtless and jeans,
just shooting around and I'm like, Bobo, film this. And
I go into the arcades and I on my third
try just through it through this little hole in this
net that.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Well, it was like a ten foot wall dividing like
a room with thirty foot high ceilings, and so there's
a ten foot wall then a twenty foot of net.
So the balls didn't go out of the half court
into the arcade. But there was a hole not much
bigger than a basketball in that net and Nick threw it.
Couldn't see the backboard, you couldn't see anything through it
through the hole and swished it.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
It was amazing. Yeah, that's a good time. I don't know,
I felt like we just won, you know, gold medal
in the Olympics or something. Bob and I were like
running around, jumping around. It was so ridiculous, it was,
but it was it was fun, you know, it was Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
You may not know about my swimming background.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Nick.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Actually I wore speedos just for fun, of course, but
in general I was actually a college champion.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
You know what synchronized swimming is, right, Yes, yeah, I
used to do that solo.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Get out of the.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Sacredized swimming. It's a very very small sport, but a
lot of people are into it. It's basically just me, so,
I mean I whenever I participate, I take the gold
every time.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
There you go. How do you hold yourself up out
of water? You just with pride? Nice, that's amazing. It's
the speedo's, man, you.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Know, that's how I hold myself up.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Man. The way they design those you can just like
float through the air. I can totally see you doing that,
just like totally Cliff ripped like the pack looking like yeah,
I'm three hundred the movie and just well, well, it's.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Not so much to say that I have a different
kind of six pack, going, oh yeah, beer six pack,
tell us a beer six And people say that I'm
not in good shape, but I disagree because I think
rounds are perfectly good shape.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Yeah that's true, man, that is true.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
So is ol?

Speaker 4 (10:58):
What is square?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Then? When it's triangle, that's inverted triangles? Nick, Baby, there's.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
A pretty typical podcast I think for you, isn't it, Nick?

Speaker 4 (11:07):
That we we kick it off with speedos and syncrenized
swimming and triangles.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, so I got some I got something paranormal to
ask Nick before because this is serious.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
I got a really good friend. And you know him too, Cliff,
he's up. He contacts you about ordering a set of
cast from up in Washington, Okay, out of Seattle. His
little girl, she's eighth ninth grade, has been having beats
with this. There's a woman going. They lived next to
a cemetery, like right, I mean there's bodies buried like
forty feet in their house and uh, the oldest people. Yeah,

(11:43):
And so they see the ghost woman in the in
the window. And I was there one time. We were
not playing in the yard and the curtain was like
moving around, and I was like, I didn't see anything,
but they're like, oh, yeah, that's she's watching us. You know,
she looks out the window all the time. But the
little girl was it was messing with her in the room.
She told her away, leave her alone, and it tore
like the grammar was in the room there too, and
it tore down the curtains, like rip them down off

(12:06):
the wall and through in the middle of the room
and then grab her by the neck and squeeze your
neck hard and sugar, that's a poulter Geist, right if
it does, if it makes physical contact, I.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Mean, poultergeist are like a malicious spirit. It's so hard
to define things these days, you know what I mean.
I think I'm at a different perspective in life right now,
where I'm looking at stuff outside the box, where we
want to try so hard to put categorizes like that's
a Poulter guys, that's a voice or whatever. We want

(12:35):
to put stuff into a box but I mean poultry
guys supposedly is more malicious and more of stuff that
moves things, throws things, stuff like that. I mean, if
that actually really did happen, I mean, did you witness
this or was this just what grammar?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Was there and my buddy was downstairs, run down, scream
and cry, Yeah, hysterical and they heard they heard the
curtains get down.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Okay, I mean, like, look if this, if this really happened,
that that's what the experience was. You know, obviously there's
entities where they can physically grab you or or cause
harm or something like that. It's any I believe more
in energy. So I think that some sort of energy

(13:21):
probably affected her, and maybe obviously a triggering effect of
like ripping the curtains down or something like that and
causing that. It can be somebody that's grumpy too, you know,
like there's a lot of bad people in this world.
So a lot of bad people die and that energy
lingers behind. So it's the subconscious of that energy possibly
lashing out at her. It could be some grumpy old

(13:43):
man that's just mad. Maybe not necessarily like how we
perceive things where it's like, oh it's a demon or
oh it's this polter guy said, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I mean typically.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Just by the neck and scared the crap out of her. Right.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
I'm curious why though, Like why would.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
She's a fiery little kid. I mean, she's just huge personality,
like very brave, like, I mean, she lives. She lives,
you know, she's lived since she's a little kid. And
she's not really a she's not any of it's not
she wasn't afraid of it. Now she's freaked out.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. Well,
you know, I think now is a good time for
those people who are listening, you know, in the more
or less Bigfoot crowd who may not know who Nick is,

(14:39):
you know, I mean, maybe this is a good time
to kind of tell everybody about that, because we've jumped
into this ghost thing all of a sudden. Well, like Nick.
Nick is a very well known paranormal investigator. I mean
most people know him from Ghost Adventures, you know, or
a Paranormal Lockdown or Ghost Stalkers or one of the
TV shows. He has a production company. He's on all
sorts of TV shows. He's got a new project Walkers

(15:00):
out there. So this episode will mostly be about ghosts
and weird stuff. You know, we'll probably touch on the
Bigfoot thing because that's what we do. But this is
really a beyond of Bigfoot and beyond. And Nick is
no slouch. He's legitimate, he's anti hoaxing. And if I
think just the stuff that you were just now saying
is really interesting because you said several times more than once,

(15:22):
you said, if this is real, if it really did happen.
And I love that perspective because our ghosts reel I think. So,
I mean, enough weird stuff happens to enough weird like
not weird people that we can say it's something is
going on. But what that is I don't I personally
don't know. Maybe you certainly have more insight into it

(15:43):
than I do, and that's one of the fun things
about having you on. So I just want to let
kind of a small introduction for the bigfoot centric crowd
that we tend to get. That's who we're talking to.
Nick is a parent. I don't even know what to
call you.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I would.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Nick, you know, I'm happy to call you a friend,
but like to the fact that you're I guess a
paranormal list. I like your approach already, just because you
basically reference something about basically putting words on things, like
defining things like the paranormal whatever that is. It has
to be such a large field that it would be

(16:23):
very difficult to define or put words on any of
the phenomenon associated exactly. Yeah, and I think that's a
really interesting take and a really good tact to come
at this thing from. So thank you very much for that.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Nick, Yeah, no, thank you. I really appreciate, you know, obviously,
the introduction and stuff and the support and everything. And
you guys are great people. Knowing you guys for a while,
and yeah, there's no bs. I love conversations about everything paranormal,
from CRYPTI to UFO to ghost whatever the topic is
that is unexplainable that we can't comprehend as human beings.

(16:58):
I love talking about it. I mean, really, that's how
I grew up. I actually wasn't into spirits, ghosts and
all that stuff when I first kind of got interested
in the subject matter. I was more heavily into space
time UFOs, looking up at the stars and saying, what
else is out there beyond just life us, human beings, death,
beyond the scope of like what we try to categorize

(17:20):
or we tried to put in a box. And I
was I'm just such a deep thinker man, and I
love conversations because I don't know everything. Like, let's face
the facts, nobody does, right, We're all evolving as human beings,
and we're growing, We're creating new technology, we're creating theories, ideas,
we're expanding our vocabulary. We're trying to evolve further beyond

(17:44):
the scope that we see in the infinity of trillions
of stars and life form that we know of. So
the idea that I look at things now is totally
different than when I looked at stuff ten years ago.
You know, I was that young kid on Ghost Adventures
or whatever, running around saying come you get me abandon
haunted locations. But my perception has changed dramatically, And I

(18:05):
think that's just over time of going through experiences, understanding things,
breaking it down in my head, but saying, you know what,
I'm not going to be redundant. I'm not going to
keep walking in a reported haunted location of running a
spare box. What good does that do? For anybody or myself.
I think personally, I'm trying to I'm trying to go

(18:25):
beyond physically and mentally, pushing the boundaries of how can
we think outside the box to discover new things that
we don't we haven't found yet, like a scientist diving
to the bottom of the seas that we don't even
know what new species are out there and discovering new things,
or going into the forest that's uncharted territory discovering new

(18:46):
species that we don't even know about, or going beyond
like you know, our planets with spaceships or time travel
or whatever the heck it is, through wormholes, drones, stuff
like that. I mean, we'd be naive to think that
we are it and this is this is all there is.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
But so along those lines. But the paranormal aspect in particular,
do you think we're any closer to that goal now
than when say Charles Fort was writing, you know, one
hundred years ago, right.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
I think it's more of an open topic now. I
think we can all get into conversations and even if
you don't believe anything happens, like I have a lot
of friends that are complete skeptics in the sense in
the sense of thinking about death, what happens after death.
I mean, some of my friends say, nothing happens when
you die, and I'm just trying to be a good
person in this life because when you die, you know,

(19:35):
that's the idea of what you're leaving behind. It's the
impact you left as a human being. And I'm like,
well that's great. Well that's still believing something happens when
you die. So it's like, you know what else is
out there and forget that for a second. I think
the paranormal scope of things is so weird in this
world that we live in. It so vast that there's

(19:56):
a lot of weird phenomena that occurs that we can't
even explain that sometimes, like even the own intuition that
we get as human beings based on like feelings of
loved ones or knowing predicting something's going to happen before
it happens, or just feeling connected with somebody that you

(20:17):
absolutely love and you don't know why you feel that way,
but then you talk to that person, You're like, I
was just having this, Oh, now I get why I
was feeling this way. Just weird, Even the simplest things
like that or you guys going into the woods and
seeing some weird creature is something that doesn't look of
norm and then saying, wait, what was that that didn't
look like a deer and an animal whatever. You know,

(20:37):
we start describing and then we base it off of
you know, everyone else's experiences to generations, and you start
categorizing things because we have to. We have to feel
safe and we have to feel like we know what
we're experiencing and we know what this is, you know.
So I think I think that ultimately it's more of

(20:58):
a topic now, and I think I really believe just
being in all subjects from UFO all the way up,
I think that everything is crossing over now from one
to the other. I don't think that there's a cryptid
UFO in ghosts or whatever paranormal in that sense. I
think it's just all one thing, meaning it's all something

(21:19):
that we can't fully understand yet as human beings, you
knowfication theory.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, grand unification theory of paranormals or or whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I think. I think what they call paranormal now is
just pre normal because we don't have the stuff to
exaggerate it, so it'll just like cryptoi, zoology. Things We've
been from cryptozoology to zoology fairly often.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Well, Nick, what's your what's your take one? Because science
is a really good, uh toolbox, right, and it can
be applied to a lot of really interesting things and
you can actually make some progress on it. But the
things that you were mentioning, the way you feel about somebody, synchronicities,

(21:59):
we're in paranormal science doesn't seem to apply, Like, those
tools don't seem to work as well towards some of
those subjects all the time. Do you think that there's
another toolbox out there that might be able to be
applied towards these other topics that would get us further.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah. I think it's just it comes down to experiments,
and I think it has to be like enclosed experiments
where you're studying it for years, because it's so hard
to go into like a location or go to your
everyday life and have an experience and then be like, look,
I can't be in bobo shoes or your shoes, Cliff,
but if you told me a story about what you experience,

(22:39):
I have to listen to you and say, Okay, I
either believe you or I make up my own conclusion randomly.
But that's judging you, which I think is unfair because
I wasn't there. I didn't know what you went through.
But I'm listening to you because I have to as
a human being, and that's the right thing to do.
So I think ultimately experiences with people, it just comes
down to that. I think some thing's my conclusion at

(23:02):
this point of my life, being forty years old, been
through a lot of crazy stuff. I ultimately think right now,
and it could change ten years from now when I'm fifty.
It's just like I'm looking at life as a journey.
We're all on our separate journeys through life. We have
to experience everything that comes with the journey. We can't

(23:23):
predict the future, but we can pave our own way
in the quest of our journey. And we're all ultimately
here for a purpose, right We're here to do something,
whatever that is. It Ripple affects the universe in a
weird way. So I think that the information we're gathering
on our journey is subconsciously implanted in the most powerful

(23:45):
thing in the world, the brain. So when the body dies,
we produce energy. Energy is a real thing. Energy can't
be destroyed when you get into the science of it,
kinetic energy when we move and so on. But the
consciousness is really what's fascinating in the brain. Where is
the consciousness and the energy that's attached to these bones,
the skin, flesh and blood that obviously that dies. This

(24:07):
is a capsule we're living in. But where's the energy go,
where's the consciousness go? Where's that lingered? Does it move on,
does it transcend? Does it multiply into something? And I
don't know. It's like such a weird, weird thing when
you start thinking about because there's so many different theories,
so many different ideas. When you talk into like people
that had end experiences, near death experiences, and they died

(24:29):
and they talk about seeing their uncle or their mother
coming from you know, thousands of miles away on an
airplane and what they're wearing and what's going on, and
then they're floating through the air and then they're brought
back in their body tell their amazing story about like
life after death. You know, I've talked to multiple people
like that. So I think that technology science we're getting

(24:50):
closer to discovering new things. But that's like anything discovering
how a computer works, discovering how to make a massive
computer looks smaller, and then all of a sudden it's
in the palm of your hand as a phone. Discovering
how we can make things faster. Technology evolve, people evolve,
the brain evolve. You know, how do we make ourselves

(25:13):
look younger? How do we It's everything, it's you know,
it's endless. It's just a matter of how we approach
things and how badly we want something to be as is.
It's just the research. I think there's probably a lot
of stuff that we don't know about that has been
going you know, like Area fifty one's and stuff like that,

(25:34):
you know, all over the world that have all these experiments,
all these like things that they're working on that we
just don't know about yet, you know, like the ghost particle.
I mean it's a massive facility I think down in
Florida or Italy or somewhere, and they found the ghost
particle with all those cameras set up, and for years
they were document until they saw this little small speck
of a particle captured on their cameras that they have

(25:57):
set up in this massive facility. So I don't know,
it's just weird. You know, it's a weird world we
live in. I think everybody has been fascinated since the
time the time that we've been born or whatever. Everyone
thinks about once in their life what happens when we die?
Or what is the purpose of life? Or what am
I doing with my life? You know, stuff like that.

(26:18):
So it's an endless conversation.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yeah, that's paranormal in general. We're not talking about any
specific aspect of it, or are you.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
I think it's everything. I mean I used to talk specifics,
but I am at the point of my life it
encompasses everything, and I think I'm just looking at stuff
differently now, just based on experiments and things I've gone
through personally and ideas and people I've talked to that
are even way more out there in IQ than I am.

(26:46):
You know, like a lot of this stuff goes over
my head. I talk to people like John Tenny or
people that are like scientists when they get into physics
and quantum physics and you know, all this craziness.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, a lot of the stuff you're saying reminds me
of Hellier. You know, Greg and Daniel this project where
they go looking for you know, goblins in Kentucky and
they end up finding balloons and wherever they go. You know,
like it almost seems like it was a everybody's on
their Grand unification theory quest where you look for one
specific thing and find out that everything's connected.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, it is. It is fascinating once you get into
that subject. I think there has Yeah, I mean it
can be a rabbit hole, but I think I think
some of it has to have some clarity, you know,
some understanding, like not everything is paranormal. Like let's just
face the facts. You know, if we're sitting together in

(27:36):
some abandoned building, we start hearing creeks and craziness. Obviously
it's an old building, and we could probably like rule
out I'd say eighty five percent of what's happening there
to be natural or some cause of something environmental issue.
But I mean, I've slept in so many haunted locations
all over the world, you know, for very for five

(27:58):
years straight, and then I've been to one hundreds thousands
of locations that are reported to be the most horrific
and scary and people being scratched and thrown and stuff
being thrown. It's just like I've been to so many
I think I've gotten to the point where I've seen
a lot of weird stuff. I've once saw somebody that

(28:22):
shouldn't have been there in the room with me at
this old hospital, Lindavsa Hospital in two thousand and nine.
I turned around, I saw a woman standing there, solid figure,
wearing a hospital gown. Everything our eyes connected. I obviously
freaked out and jumped back because I thought it was
a homeless person that broke into the location. So it
took me off guard. I think over time, you start

(28:43):
thinking a little bit deeper. When you really get into
this stuff, you just it's a lot of talk about
life death. You start seeing people pass away around you
that are family members, loved ones, you start thinking about it.
I think a little bit deeper, and all humans, I
believe want hope. You know, when you get into religion,

(29:06):
you get into the subject matter of like, whatever your
ideas are or your beliefs, it doesn't really matter across
the whole entire board. It's just a matter of like
that hope. I hope there's something else. I hope there's
something greater. I hope. You know, you just you want
that hope In a sense, and it's been like that
for I mean, since people have been on this planet.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages. Yeah, and
that's one of the things. I think that one of
the litmus tests of any phenomenon, whether it's Bigfoot or
UFOs or ghosts or anything else. And you want to

(29:51):
see how real it could be, maybe before you jump
into that pool and you look at the history of
the subject. You know, if the history start to nineteen
sixty six, you know, and it's regional, and that's well,
it's probably not real, you know. But if you can
go back to any depth of time and find stories
about these same things, you know, lights in the sky

(30:13):
or spirits haunting you, or hairy people in the woods,
then I think the longer and further you go back
and it's still there, the more real this sort of
thing is. And that's why I give a lot of
credence to ghosts and UFOs and lake monsters and hairy people,
you know, because all of those things go back as
far back as history itself.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Yeah, and you're absolutely right. If you think of anything right,
any story has to start somewhere. So if we're talking
about this reported haunted you know graveyard that's been around
since eighteen hundreds or whatever, and you hear the stories
over time, it might change a little bit, but the
story had to start somewhere from somebody, so either based

(30:55):
on experience or just based on an idea, or they
just wanted to tell the story. But it youre canclusion
to make up what you believe is real or not
right based on your own personal experience when they realize
it or exactly, Yeah, you subconsciously do that. Yeah, I
totally agree. And and you know, talking about your when
you're talking about ghost Cliff, if you think about it

(31:18):
in this way, right, we're ghosts is a real thing,
even though like people might say, no, ghosts don't exist.
I don't believe ghosts, But think about this, think about
the realism behind what a ghost defined as we are
all ghosts. And the reason why we're all ghosts is
because every second that we're speaking right now, we're all

(31:41):
passing away, we're all dying. Think about it, like we're already,
we're already you know, a couple of seconds in time
right now from a couple of seconds ago when I
just said it. So we're all passing away slowly. It's
just a matter of like what you envision it be.
So we're pretty much ghosts in a sense, or fading,
you know, we're fading. Yeah, And it's just the concept

(32:03):
of like what you believe happens when we die, what
you believe happens outside that we can't perceive. And if
you look at like a lot of new scientists, there's
I've read an article that came out about some scientists
that are graphing out the brain waves and actually are
graphing out thirteen different dimensions within the subconscious that we
create during the day of dimensions, So like when you

(32:25):
go to daydream when you're driving in your car, you're
waking up and you see the reality you were in.
Now you see the two D world. But if you think, oh,
this is happening, you start creating this alter world that's
happening in your brain. That's one dimension. Supposedly we create
thirteen dimensions, and they're actually able to graph out what
your brain is mapping out in each one of those dimensions,

(32:46):
which is kind of trippy. It's like, are we have
a matrix? You know, I don't know man, it's like
this world is so weird, weird that we live in,
and I'm just I'm always thinking of, you know, what
else is there? I don't know. I think that's the
way to push the boundaries, to think a little bit
deeper and just keep keep evolving, because I don't think

(33:07):
there's one right way than another.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
You know, well, there is. We just don't know what
it is yet.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Exactly, and I don't think I don't know if we'll
ever know. I think the point of life is to
live life and not forget that you're alive, and to
be happy too, you know. I think sometimes we get
to be too serious and we forget to we forget
to laugh and have fun and enjoy life. You know,
we get caught up in all the drama or the
day activities or whatever the heck's going on in the

(33:34):
worldly problems. But I think that the purpose of life
is to go through the experience, collect the information your
brain and try to be a better person, and you know,
ripple effect the world for a greater idea that we're
supposed to be here. And then when you pass on, man,
whatever happens next, take that with you, whatever that vision is,
you know.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Do you think that there are circumstances where a person
might believe something to the extent that they actually created,
like it manifests out of the belief itself.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Absolutely, one hundred percent. So the new series that I
started doing, death Walker, one of the locations that we
go to I've been investigating for over a decade, actually
two of them. So we take two locations in death Walker,
and we compare the two locations based on a theory,
and the narrative tells the story from two locations to
see if there's any actual truth behind some of the

(34:27):
things that are happening at these locations. So one location
is Bobby Mackie's Music World. And while they're Kentucky, amazing location.
I love, you know, the owner of Bobby Mackie, he's
a great friend of mine, Matt Coates, their security guard.
I've known them for over a decade and I've been
going there since, you know, I was pretty much a young,

(34:48):
young kid, and over time I realized that the environment
is changing there. The sense of whatever the energy form
that is there that I thought, you know, over a
decade ago, was like a ghost. Then I thought it
was something evil, Then I thought it was somebody that
died there, and then now I think it's actually in

(35:09):
the sense of a thought form entity basically what you're
talking about, Cliff. So I know there's a lot of
factual some death that occurred there outside of the place
and inside, and some mystery behind who actually died there,
and then there's a ton of legends attached to it
that we set the facts straight. But over time I
noticed that thousands of people have been coming there based

(35:32):
on watching like TV shows and seeing what has happened there,
and they're projecting their own intent into the environment, saying
there's something evil here, there's something evil, Oh, scratch me,
hurt me. Over time, you know what that does, It
changes the environment, It changes and transforms energy from people
into something else. So I believe that what happened there,

(35:55):
just based on investigating it recently last year for earth Walker,
that a thought form entity has morphed into its own,
its own intelligent form and now has evolved into something else,
Meaning it's collectively gathering all this energy from thousands of
people and mirror imaging the intent back of what's it's

(36:19):
picked up on. So I think there was something there
on that ground before that foundation was put in, and
then over time it's just turned into this like weird
energy thing that just lingers there and you know, five
folds whoever brings their intent in and pushes it back
onto that person as like a mirror image of whatever
they're putting out.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Do you think that's the root of evil entities and whatnot,
people being afraid of whatever, you know, thing might be
present at a location. Or do you think that there's
actually some sort of evil behind some of the you know,
demons and all that stuff. My wife's in the horror,
so I kind of think about these things when ghosts
come up, you know, like, do you think that it's

(37:00):
the intent that's put into it or do you think
that there might be something there beforehand that might indicate
whether it's benevolent or malevolent.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
I think it's both. I really think it's both. I
think that we produce the energy and put it into
the environment to hurt our own self. I've seen it
with people, to be honest with you, I've seen it
in group of investigations. I've seen it where everybody else
is fine and one person that one person is like
I'm feeling this, I'm getting scratched. Every but they're they're

(37:30):
projecting it. But I see them too before they go
into the investigation already wanting that, do you know what
I mean? So it's like self afflicting, and there's a
lot of psychology behind it too. It's like what state
of mind you're in, who you are as a person,
you know, mental health, you know, there's a lot of
psychology behind it. Man, you could break somebody down so

(37:53):
so much into that sense, just like anything else. But
I do believe that good people in this world die
and bad people in this world die. So if we
go to a prison together and we go into a
jail cell and there was an inmate of Joe Schmoe
who was a murderer and he was kept in this
prison and he murdered somebody in this prison then he

(38:13):
died in this prison cell, you're going to feel that
energy energy lingers. And that's a real thing. I think,
the subconscious lingers. I think the energy lingers. So I
think it's like you pick up on that sense, and
you pick up on like, oh, I don't I don't
feel right in the shale cell. I mean, Bobo, you
could probably say that and maybe Cliff and I are fine.

(38:34):
I don't know. Yeah, it always feels like and it doesn't. Yeah,
I mean, you just don't know. I think it's it's
you know, it's a double sided coin.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Man.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
It's like people inflect their own self, their own intent,
and also positive to positive, negative to negative. Positive people die,
negative people die, and that that energy lingers. So I
think that's a factor too, and you just got to
look at both sides of it, you know what. Also,
I think, and this gets really trippy, I think just

(39:04):
based on doing Death Walker recently, we did two other
locations where we compare it about time slip. So getting
into the idea of time, the notion of time.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I was just going to ask you about time actually, honestly,
because that these are echoes of you know, past events.
What does that say about the nature of time itself?

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Exactly? Well, we create time as human beings because time
doesn't really exist. We're in an earth that spins around
a sun that goes up and down. But it's only
because you know, the way we are situated this earth.
But we need time. And the reason we need time
is because we are born into this world, we grow older,
we die, That's that's time. Time is always against us.

(39:43):
And these human bodies. So we need time because we
need to know when to go to sleep, when they
go to work, when to take the kids to lunch,
whatever it is. And it's funny when you go into
a location like I did on Death Walker, and I'm
sitting there in a solitary can in the bottom dungeon
of a prison that's been sitting there for like eighteen

(40:05):
eighteen whatever it is dates back to and then prior
to that, it was Native American land and a lot
of bloodshed. They said at this one location, Brushy Mountain
Prison and Tennessee, that there was blood that would fill
the whole entire ground from how many people died and
what happened there and so on and so forth. It's
pretty wild. And also you get into the idea of

(40:26):
like DNA that's attached to the blood and how like
even if you're miles away, the DNA can affect you, know,
like you can still pick up on those emotions that
you're feeling. The blood can. There's a whole science behind
all that stuff. But I mean, the whole notion of
time man is interesting. So I'm in solitary confinement and
I have this audio device that I'm communicating with somebody.

(40:47):
I have no clue who, but it's intelligently responding directly
back to us in real time. So I'm asking questions
and with this device I was created. I built this
device called the GeoPort, and I'm getting responses coming through it,
you know, And I'm asking about the prisoner, and I'm
asking about who's here and what do you need and

(41:07):
you know, water, and it starts giving me really good details.
And I ask if he's a ghost? Did you die here?
And he's like, no, you're a ghost. So he basically
whoever's talking to me is saying I'm a ghost, and
I'm saying he's a ghost. And what I started to
realize is just based off of, like, you know, evidence
on my personal experience, what I was hearing. What happens

(41:31):
if I'm communicating with somebody from whatever time period that
that person is living right now, right I'm in my
reality asking these questions in an abandoned solitary confinement, you know,
historical prison, and somebody is there when it's in operation,
that's put in solitary confinement, and there you got to

(41:54):
think that these people lost their minds, like they lose
their sense of time, they lose their sense of and
they're put in darkness, food, lack of food, water. You
start to inhabit like all these other senses, your sense
of hearing, your sense of like emotions, you know, everything
starts to play more to the forefront. You adapt to that.

(42:15):
And I start to think, what happens if I'm communicating
with somebody who's living right now in that time period.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
If time's there right now exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
They're there right now and I'm here right now, and
we're able to communicate because he can hear me because
isn't his senses are enhightened. But I can hear him
because I have this crazy technology in the future. And
I'm like, how can you communicate through this? And he's like,
I don't know. You know what I mean. You're bending time.
It's like school project where you take the piece of paper,

(42:43):
you fold it and have put the pencil through it
and boom, like the wormhole be a strip right exactly.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I always thought if I was a stripper riding myself mobius.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
What would Bobo be Moby Dick.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Depends on his speedo. I suppose stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right
back after these messages. So and Nick, A lot of
this is a lot of the stuff you're talking about.

(43:22):
And mind you, I'm just a big for guy. I
don't know much about paranormal stuff or whatever, but a
lot of the stuff you're talking about seems to be
centered around well, not death necessarily, not in the sort
of morbid sort of way, you know, but like the
continuity I suppose, so the continuation of consciousness in some
sort of way before and after this arbitrary line called death.

(43:45):
But there's still something going on. If I remember right,
I picked up somewhere along the line that you yourself
had a near death experience.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Yeah? When I was eight years old, hyperactive kid, go figure,
but didn't realize that when you found me in the
basketball court, Irypt, I was waiting for my sister to
get out of swimming. My mom was reading a book.
About one hundred yards away. I saw a tree I
had a climate, who knows why, and I started climbing
it and I reached out to a branch. Branch broke

(44:17):
and under me was a cyclone fence ripped open my
whole entire left arm and I hit the ground, didn't
realize what happened, and I just remember getting up, not
feeling my body and seeing my mom and just said Mom,
I love you. And I passed out, blocked out. And
what I saw next was I opened my eyes and

(44:39):
there was all these faces hovered around me looking down
at me. And what was strange is I don't know.
It was just so weird where they were just looking
at me and just like very bright, you know, like
behind them it could have been like bright lights if
I was inside and all these faces are looking at me.

(45:00):
Then the next thing I know it I'm I'm in
the ambulance and then I black out, and then I'm
in the hospital. I see my sister crying on my
dad and I look over and they're like, I just
feel my arm being tugged on and stuff, and they're
repairing my whole arm. I had like a hundred stitches
and doctor said half an inch on my artery and
I was bleeding out. If my mom didn't think quickly
when she saw me, he said, I would have been

(45:23):
dead right there. But her quick thinking, she like ripped
off her shirt, tied my army. You know that mom
instinct comes in She like, I was a big kid.
I was a swimmer. So she picked me up and
she claims that she brought me inside and they're scrambling
to call nine one one, you know, the ambulance and stuff.
And when they brought me inside, she says, there was
only like two of them. There was no one huddling

(45:45):
around me looking down. You know, it wasn't a big
crowd or anything like that. It was just like two
people trying to hurry up and you know, save my
life and stuff. So I always think back on that
years later. I didn't make anything of it. You know,
I was that crazy kid that I was like, you know,
was doesn't kill me, makes me stronger. So you know,

(46:05):
like after that experience my arm heels, they got me
back into swimming, which was probably the best thing in
my life because it helped heal and make my arm stronger.
But like a little bit later, I you know, a
year later or something. Two years later, I built like
a rope swing in my woods. Knocked myself out. I
knocked I fell and hit my head on a rock
and had to get three stitches, and you know, stupid stuff,

(46:28):
skateboarding off my my house, shed in the back when
my grandmother's it's just like you know, wild wilding out
kids in the eighties or whatever, nineties, And but years later,
I never made anything of that experience until I started
thinking back on certain stuff because a little bit after that,
you know, my mom would tell me stuff like she

(46:49):
would catch me in my room talking to she really
believed at one point I was talking to somebody in
my room and I guess she would say she would
come and she like cracked the door and she'd see
me staring at the ceiling in the corner talking to
like angels and stuff. Yeah, and I was never really
like Catholic or whatever. I was raised Catholic, but I
didn't I went to church by.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
I didn't recovering Catholic.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Yeah, I didn't know what I was talking about. But
it's like she said I was talking. It was just
so creepy because it seems surreal, and she would just
catch me talking to something that I truly believe that
was there that I was looking at. And so I
don't know, man, Like, it's hard, right because kids have
such an imagination. I know I had a crazy imagination,

(47:33):
but I think there's some realism behind it because I
remember vividly after that. About a year later, I came
home early from from school. My mom came home a
little bit after that, and I walked into the house
and I go upstairs, and I go into the kitchen.
I see the shadow figure like this man just completely

(47:54):
all darked out shadow, just standing right there in where
the sliding glass door would be to the backyard, and
he was just standing there inside. And it scared me
so bad. I ran outside to the basement door into
my neighbor's yard. And then my mom came home like
a minute later, you know, and you know, I was

(48:15):
freaking out telling her, and I didn't know if it
was a burglar or if it really happened or didn't happen.
It was just surreal, and it's just experiences like that
after I had my accident, you know that I thought
of years later when I started doing ghost ventures and
stuff like that, and then paranormal Lockdown. I started getting
older and thinking a little bit heavier on it, and
I asked my mom, like she started telling me things

(48:37):
like that, like you would talk to yourself in the room,
this would happen, you had that happen, and it's just
like it all kind of came back to me, and
I started to realize maybe there maybe that did trigger something,
maybe I did crossover. Maybe it opened me up skating
on thin ice, you know, a little bit closer to
the other side. I don't know, but I started to
run into people that had NDE experiences near experiences, and

(49:01):
they started telling me, like just weird stories about them
crossing over and what they saw.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
And well, that's really interesting because one of my in
my bigfoot pursuits, I came across that kind of stuff
and and you know, I mean, Nick, I mean, I'm
I'm I think sasquatches are kind of a boring animal.
You know, they're just they're well, I mean, they're they're cool.
But at the end of the day, they're biological, and
they're they're not ufo rite and shape shift in interdimensional whatevers.

(49:27):
They're just everything they do can be more or less
explained by biology, you know, so they're not really that
exciting at the end of the day. But there's this
whole cadre of people, you know, this whole population in
those in the bigfoot community that insist that bigfoots talk
to them in their brain, you know, like telepathically and
and and I know several of these people, and you know,
I've got nothing against them. I don't think they're right,

(49:49):
but I don't think it's but I also don't think
they're lying, is the thing. So I kind of started
looking for explanations. And one of the things I came
across was this near death experience sort of deal and
and you know, talking to entities on the other side
and all this sort of stuff, and and and and

(50:10):
what that led me to is the Strassman studies in
the nineties about d m T. Have you ever gone
down that rabbit hole?

Speaker 4 (50:18):
I've never taken d MT, but.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I've never taken either. But it's super interesting.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
It's always fascinating, fascinating me big time. I mean maybe
one day because I'm just so interested in, like what
people have experienced. There's always the idea if you've ever
like looked into it or people that I've experienced it.
There's these little figures, these little like what do they

(50:43):
call them nomes, gnomes or minions or goblins or whatever
the heck they are. They're working on some mechanical thing,
like they're building, they're doing something, but you always run
into them when you're when you're tripping on d MT.
But the interesting part about dm T it's a chemical
in your brain.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
It's hodogenous like all of us. Like if the government
wanted any of us, anybody listening right now, they can
come in and test your body and you'd be hauled
to jail because you have an illegal amount of it
in your system.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Right now. I know it's wild, but it opens up
your mind to something else, some other dimension. It's very
interesting to me.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I mean, you know Stratsman, the guy, the first guy
in the United States that was allowed to do experiments
on it after all psychedelics became illegal, and now DMT
is the most powerful psychedelic drug known, you know, and
it turns out that like all mammals, most plants, and
all sorts of other life forms carry it. The one
of the reasons he stopped doing his experiments once he was,

(51:42):
you know, because he was allowed to do it with
the FDA permission and all that stuff in the nineteen nineties.
One of the reasons he stopped his experiments was because
a significant percentage, like something like thirty seven or thirty
nine percent of his subjects described having conversations with non
human and intelligences that they were completely confident were not themselves,

(52:04):
like they weren't talking to the the back of their brain.
And then so many people who have near death experiences
or so many so called Bigfoot contact ees, have similar
experiences and come back with the same messages that I'm
kind of convinced at this point that there's a veil
between you know, what we experience as reality and what

(52:25):
other entities might experience his reality, and those other entities
are more than happy to conform with whatever your expectations
are of them, whether their ghosts, whether their ancestors, whether
they're bigfoots living in the woods outside their house or whatever.
Oh that doesn't scare you, Okay, sure that's what I am.
Let's continue our conversation now.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Yeah, I mean, you got to think we're a young
species to a young planet. What else is out there?
I just watched something where they said that what was
that scientist that he discovered about four thousand I think
it's about four thousand. Now other planets that revolve around
similar suns like ours. So if you're saying and they

(53:10):
think that there's trillions of them in space, so.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yeah, the best estimate right now is half of star
systems have planets exactly.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
And the way that they were able to see with
their telescope was when the planet like Earth, crosses in
front of the sun, it creates a shadow, and that's
how they were able to indicate it being you know,
like a planet and having a sun and whatnot. But
I mean, there's one planet within that unit. And I'm
talking about separate universes, four thousand separate universes like our universe,

(53:42):
where there is a possible planet that's just like our planet,
that has a sun just like our sun. So you
got to say the possibilities of no life form beyond us?
And I'm talking about some like crazy older universes way
far more like ancient than our universe. So what else

(54:04):
is beyond that? Because you know, then you get into
the idea of everything that has a beginning has to
have an end, right like maybe because when we look
into space it seems like infinity, But where's the end?
Is there an end? Is this just the beginning? Or
do we have to go through this life to evolve
into some higher intellectual power like some do we have

(54:27):
to go through it until we get it right? As
some energy form I don't know, man, Like, all I
know is I'm just trying to live a good life
and trying to do what's right because I think I
really don't know what's next, and all I want to
do is like evolve humanity for something greater rather than

(54:47):
being the same old ordinary, you know life.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I know that whenever I'm faced with these unanswerable questions,
I turn to the only place I know, which is Bobo.
What do you think.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I'm on the same page with you, guys, You're saying,
I mean because I've had I've had that disembodied voice
in my head, which I've always said, I mean, the
most likely thing to me is that it's my own
brain doing it, whether it's pheromones secreted by the Sasquatch
or infrasound produced by the Sasquatch, or just whatever it is,
or maybe it is them doing thought projection. But uh, yeah,

(55:19):
I know what people are talking about. It's the time
it told me that I've told everyone who listened to
this podcast with any regularity has heard me tell a
story one hundred times. But when I had that one
come behind me in gral and I went to turn
around take its picture, and I just got this loud
voice in my head saying, if you turn around and
take my picture, I'm going to f and kill you
and no one's ever going to find your body.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
And do you think sasquat just go around drop a
F bomb? So yeah, that's that's why I said that.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
How do you my brain interpreting like a vibe or.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yeah, because you drop f bombs? I wrote about bigfoots.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
That one did fair enough, No, but yeah, I mean
talking about like the whole like even if God wasn't real,
humans would invent it just with thought projection or do
you hear stuff like that. It's interesting though, I mean
it's really just in the way they're mapping the brain
and how much I've been falling out a little bit,

(56:11):
and all the imaging, like the advanced imaging and tying together,
like the different sectors of the brains and what Nick
was talking about before, like the different dimensions the brain
can can produce or has or it's all it's all tripping.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
What are your thoughts on the role of technology and
human evolution?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Yeah, I mean if you look at if you look
at people in general, I mean, our necks are expanding,
our heads are growing, like what who's to say that
what people are referring to, like the grays or like
aliens that people have experienced, aren't us from the future. Right.
If technology grows, we grow, we evolve space, you know,

(56:48):
we transform into these beans, and we're coming back experimenting
or trying to figure out whatever the heck we've messed
up in the future. And maybe there is some sort
of evil of like the continuation of all this technology
revolving around human beings adapting to whatever happens in the
future too. I mean, I think that's a huge possibility. Yeah,

(57:12):
I mean I think anything's possible. Man, It's just such
a weird world we live in that we can't say
one thing is is the exact you know. So, I mean,
if you just look at technology in general, it's it's
come so far. Look at virtual reality, look at stuff
that movies were made of, you know, like total recall
and stuff like that. Look at what we're getting into now.

(57:34):
I would imagine then the future to come will have
bluetooth chips and planted into our brain so we can
holographically see stuff or escape or go on these like
virtual trips or you know, like a total recall type phase.
And I think we're going to keep evolving, and I
think our bodies and everything else is going to adapt.
And you know, we're always trying to create this nutrition

(57:56):
or whatever you want to call it to like stay
young and you know, get bigger muscles or whatever the
heck people are doing these days. You know, it's just
such a weird idea because we always want to have
this hierarchy of like power, feeling good about ourselves or
being stronger, healthier or smarter or whatever the heck the
case is. But then you know, you brought up a

(58:17):
lot of cool things too that you were talking about
if you even talk about, like, you know, going back
to the paranormal for a second, the visual spectrum, right,
we only see so far in the spectrum on the
visual scale when you actually look at a visual scale,
if you've ever gone to like the eye doctor and
he shows you, like here's where you see in the
spectrum of like everything that's out there, like ulter violet

(58:39):
rays and whatnot, Like we're only seeing a certain percent.
It's very small. It's like, what is it two percent
four percent of the actual spectrum. You know, dogs see
a little bit farther than we see obviously in that spectrum,
but then so on and so forth. It's like, can
you imagine what else is in the realm of what
we're living and how we perceive things? What else is

(58:59):
around us? We don't see the oxygen we're breathing, right,
We don't see the billions of neutrinos that pass through
our body every second, Like all the neutrinos and stuff
passing through us, Like, we don't see that stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
So it kind of brings up the idea that the
brain was invented to perceive things, when I kind of
think the opposite, the brain was actually invented to filter
things out so we aren't overwhelmed.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
But what happens if we're all an experiment for something
else to figure out how to take the consciousness or
the idea of the consciousness, right, the information that we're collecting,
Take all that information that we've gathered and take that
and then woof transplant that information into another body so

(59:48):
that can keep living and then voof that body dies
that can keep leaving and keep going through that process.
Maybe like we're just an experiment, like these ants on
the ground that we want to step on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Well, speaking from experience. I'm confident that I am just
an experiment. Yeah, I can think's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Wrong all the time too, I do too. I'm with
you on that one. Yeah, I mean it could be
wrong in all this stuff. Who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
It's just fun to think about, you know. I mean,
we have a brain. We might as well use it
and then kind of push the boundaries and see what, Hey,
what are we capable of thinking about instead of just
thinking about the things that you know are easy?

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Yeah, exactly. The norm is no norm anymore. I think
like stuff that is out of the norm is more
healthy these days. I think we tried so hard, you know,
like if you look at anything over the nineteen fifties,
we tried so hard. Put on the suit, go to work,
come home, what's for dinner, go to sleep, wake up,

(01:00:47):
do it again. I think now we're just like all
I don't know, free floating craziness ideas. But there's a
lot of chaos in the world. I think, you know,
it's crazy and oar. I don't know, it's just a
crazy world right now that people are losing their minds.
But I think it's a lot of obviously reasons behind it.
But the universe has a weird way of playing things out.

(01:01:09):
If you look at the history of time, there's always
these epidemics, you know, every one hundred years or whatever,
there's this crazy outburst of something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
I'm just happy we're not living in the plague era
when Black Death walked the earth. Remember that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Yeah, well I don't remember, but thankfully no, I don't
like bbonic plague. Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Can you imagine living in that era? They were just
taking people, like if Bobo was confidents on them, like
burn them, he has it, you know, they would burn people.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Oh, and having no idea what's causing it either, because
I remember, you know, you mentioned earlier how we're a
primitive species. We didn't know about germs one hundred and
twenty years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I want to ask Nick a couple of ghost things
before we split. Okay, what's you're feeling about exorcisms?

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
They're fascinating, right, because I think it goes back to
what we were talking about earlier. A part of me thinks
that people with a you know, depression, oppression, it goes
through the phases of that and then fall heavily into that.
I usually typically like a real exorcism. My understand going
through the Vatican and all that stuff, it's a huge
process to even claim that it's something of some extraterrestrial

(01:02:20):
like some demonic presence or something that has overtaken someone's body.
I think that's the one thing that actually, through my
whole entire career, has scared me. Something that can overtake,
something of a negative energy, negative entity, that can overtake
your own body and your own psyche like, I think
that scares me a little bit. You know. I used

(01:02:42):
to laugh at like movies like the Exorcists when I
was a kid. I used to love them, like I'm
a horror fanatic. I used to love all the horror
movies and I rented all the Exiorcist movies. But then,
like a little bit later in my life, I had
like this weird moment where I felt like this negative
energy moved through me. I kind of blacked out for
a second, and I don't know what happened, but I

(01:03:05):
heard was the voice in my head saying kill him,
kill him, kill him, and it obviously it wasn't me,
and I shook it off and then I felt so
drained after. But I'm like, man if something can overtake
or try to overpower your own you know, your will
or your body or your your brain or whatever when
you're vulnerable, Like exorcisms, I think hit a little bit

(01:03:27):
deeper with me because I've studied a little bit on it.
Like what was that one extorcism Emily Rose, Like the
real story of that, hearing the tape recordings of the
priest when he's there with the girl and hearing her
voice change, and you know, her dying in the process

(01:03:47):
of him, you know, trying to exercise that whatever was
overtaking her or whatever was happening with that, and him
being in jail for it. I don't know, man, it's
a scary thought. I know there's been thousands of cases worldwide.
I've talked to some pretty credible people that have experienced
and seen it firsthand, and I've talked to some people

(01:04:09):
that I think are full of shit, to be honest
with you. So it's like, I think a lot of
people do stuff for five minutes of fame and TV
or whatever, and I think there's some real serious stuff
that the one two percent of humanity has experienced something

(01:04:29):
far more sinister than we can comprehend, that possibly when
somebody's in a vulnerable state, maybe there's something that can
overtake you know, that willpower. But I've never personally experienced
the exorcism been there, But I've talked to some good
people that have What.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Actually scares you? You mentioned exorcism scares you. What else
out there that maybe you've had a brush with, or
maybe something that you want to avoid. What actually scares you?
Because it doesn't seem like you're the kind of guy
that's scared of the dark.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
No, I mean it takes a lot to scare me.
I mean I was living in the most haunted places
in the world for five years, and I would live
there for three days seventy two hours, and I would
sleep in like, Okay, here's a prison. Five people were
murdered in here. Okay, Nick, have a good night, and
I would just sleep there by myself. It's a weird feeling.

(01:05:25):
It really f's with your head. I won't lie, man,
Like the psychology behind it is just crazy. You feel
super vulnerable. There's not a lot that scares me, because
you have to come to terms with yourself. What are
you going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Run?

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
I used to joke around and say, what's the worst
that can happen, but there's a lot of bad things
that can happen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
They killed on camera, but you got a great.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Show, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah, and you describerman style just you set up cameras
or is there a guy in there with you?

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
No, it was for paranormal Lockdown. I'd have a cameraman
follow myself and the co host Katrina around and then
he would leave and it would just be us too.
So then she would go way on some part of
the building where you know, like something crazy happened, and
I would sleep by myself in someplace it was just us,
and I would wake up dragging my own camera around
and blah blah blah. So yeah, there's been a lot

(01:06:12):
of weird moments. I don't know, it's just like a weird,
a weird feeling when you're isolated, your vulnerable. It doesn't
take a lot that scares me. I slept in a
morgue the whole night. That was weird, like yeah, yea.
And the drawer is in an old historical It was
new Sham Park Hospital in England, really like massive castle

(01:06:36):
looking place, creepy, and they would they had their own
embombing in a crematory building right next to the big building.
It was like an orphanage and just creepy history. So
I slept in one of the morgue slabs by myself
in the building. It was just so weird, man, it
was so uncomfortable, and during disgusting, I swear I felt

(01:06:56):
like like life it was disintegrating off me after every
single location, Like my skin was just like falling off
my body. But I think the one thing that scares
me that I've come to terms with is negative energy.
Negative energy that can overtake your own willpower or psyche
or body mind, body spirit, you and know all that stuff.

(01:07:17):
I think that kind of makes me nervous when you
start feeling it at locations. You know, when you're vulnerable,
like going to sleep and you're so tired that you
can't function anymore. And if something kind of gets into
your brain or into your like subconscious or whatever, and
like suddenly you're not yourself anymore, like you're feeling like
that dark cloud or just bad, you know. I think

(01:07:38):
that's a little scary.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Nick has been great having you on the show. I
mean a lot of people know who you are, and
then a lot of people know who obviously we are too,
but our two worlds collide, and I think that's the point.
I think that's really neat that we're all in our
different weird things and we can come together and talk
about the weird stuff, because you know, Bigfoot and Beyond.
Half the title is beyond then we don't get into
that enough, and you're just the guy that talked to

(01:08:02):
you about that weird stuff. So thank you so much
for coming on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:05):
Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
It was fun. It was a deep conversation I'm realizing,
but I enjoyed it. It was a great time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Yeah. I'd like to think that we're not your average podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
That's right. Yeah, there's nothing norm these days about anything,
so it's perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Right. So where's the best place for people to look
you up? Nick?

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Social media? Yeah, I'm just my name, Nick Roth. Make
sure it's the blue check mark or has more people following,
because there's a lot of fake accounts out there I'm noticing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
And you're also Nick Roff, the musician I know online. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Yeah, I've been working on a new album coming out
hopefully this year. Kind of got halted because of everything
that's going on. But working with my good friend Macinian
producing it, and a really amazing music artists, and we
just got a lot of big things coming out. Working
on a lot of stuff, you know. Me, it's never
not one thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
That's great with that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Nick, I'd like to thank you for coming on Bigfoot
and Beyond. I mean, you are a beacon of the
weird and a high profile paranormalists in general, and it's
always good to have that kind of thing on the show.
You know, we sometimes get a little bit too serious
with the Bigfoot thing and we ignore all the other
weird stuff that's out there. And there's so much weirdness
in the world, like I say, there almost every episode.
The world is not only weirder than you think, it's

(01:09:20):
actually weirder than you can think. And it's fun to
have people on to talk about just whatever comes up.
So thank you very much for participating in Bigfoot and Beyond.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Yeah, thank you, guys. It was such a great conversation,
really deep thinking and I really enjoyed it. Appreciate it.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, it's great talking to you, Nick, and we still
and folks who listen to that if you're into the
paranormal and big which I know a lot of people
are Cliff I and Nick have been talking about doing
a combo Bigfoot ghost Adventure tour expedition, like you know,
somewhere like Timberline Lodge and Mount Hood, you know where
there's bigfoots outside and ghosts inside. We want to do

(01:09:57):
something like that here coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Let's do it, love to that'd be amazing. It's cool
to bring the two forces. This guy. You never know
what's going to happen. Maybe Uf always come down, take
us all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
I'd be great. Well cool and Nick, good luck with
your adventures and when we watch them for your new
project coming out.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Thank you guys, all right, take care, good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Bye, all right, good call Bobs. I'm so glad you
gave Nick a call to invite him on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Yeah. Yeah, he's always so busy. He's hard to nail down,
but he's generous, you know, to make some time for us. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
One of the nicest guys in paranormal land, I think is.
I mean, I've known him for a few years because
you know, we do gigs together essentially, you know, Crypti
con or any any variety of gigs and appearances. But
since this year, there have been no appearances because of COVID.
It's just nice to reconnect, you know, occasionally with friends
that we don't get to see because we're not on

(01:10:49):
the road.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yeah, you're right, Yeah, let's keep it going clip. I mean,
we just had a great guest and hopeful we get
some more coming up here soon for the folks listening
at home, and we appreciate you guys listening. Until next time,
keep it Squatchy.

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