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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo.
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And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good morning, Bobo, How you doing? Man doing? Okay? We're
talking about Teddy Roosevelt today because it's that spooky time
of year and so we thought, well, you know what,
one of the scariest stories in all bigfoot is. One
of the classics is one is the Bauman incident, which
was told by Theodore Roosevelt, now Teddy Roosevelt, of course,
former presidents and all that jazz. He's long gone, et cetera.
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I think his birthplace actually is a national park out
there in New York. And they're actually men of the
North America bigba Center in my dad kind of cool,
at least the guy who one of the guys who
runs it is. So we have some connections to the
Theodore Roosevelt thing, and the Bigfoot connection is a big
one in bigfoot land. Theodore Roosevelt had a book published
I think it was an eighteen ninety three, if I
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remember right, it might be a year or two. Often
eighteen ninety three he published a book called The Wilderness Hunter,
and it's a lengthy book about his adventures and all
that sort of stuff, because he's a rather prominent outdoorsman
back in the day, you know, So he wrote this book.
It's many hundreds of pages long, but there's a section
of it at the very end that he basically describes
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not his own, but someone else's very frightening sasquatch encounter.
Now sasquatch, that word didn't exist. The word bigfoot then,
it certainly didn't exist. That came much later, but certainly
sasquatches themselves did exist. They're perfectly normal animals. They've always
been around here. And so basically Theodore Roosevelt ran into
some dude named Bowman who told him a story. So
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we thought we'd do today in case you've never heard it.
This story is written in like I said, eighteen ninety two,
eighteen ninety three was published then, so it is well
in public domain at this point. There's no knowledge of
this being in any copyright or anything like that. So
we thought we'd take this opportunity to read you the
story do read aloud today and then with our comments.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, because Avan Sanderson put that in the epic book
Balminle Stoeman Legend comes to Life back in nineteen sixty one.
That's when that got introduced into the world of the
Bigfoot people. So it's been a legendary story, like one
of the classics of bigfoot literature.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, and of course Teddy Roosevelt having his name associated
with it is it a certain level of credence and importance.
And so we thought it would be fun episode today
to read you that excerpt from Teddy Roosevelt's Wilderness Hunter
book where the Bauman story is contained, and we'll just
kind of riff and comment on it because a lot
of what he wrote about has later come to light
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as perfectly and normalstasquatch behavior. This story resonates as strongly
today as it does back then, but perhaps in a
different way. Back then he described it as like a
goblin or hobgoblin story, I think is what he said,
like just a ghosty sort of scary story told by
some old grizzled woodsman. But now when we look at
it through the lens of eight behavior and Sasquatch stuff
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in particular, it's like, oh yeah, yeah, they ran into
a sasquatch. It's perfectly clear. So yeah, we thought that
we would do that today for our listeners in celebration
of Halloween and Teddy Roosevelts and Bowman and everything spooky
that goes in Bigfoot, because a lot of people do
enjoy the Bigfoot subject just because it's kind of spooky.
So you ready, bow should we jump in hit it?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Maestro?
Speaker 2 (03:36):
All right, here we go. This is directly from Teddy
Roosevelt's Wilderness Hunter book, and this is the Bowman story.
It was told to me by a grizzled, weather beaten
old mountain hunter named Bauman, who was born and had
passed all of his life on the frontier. He must
have believed what he said, for he could hardly repress
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a shudder at certain points of the tales. When the
event occurred, Bauman was still a young man and was
trapping with a partner among the mountains dividing the forks
of the Salmon from the head of the Wisdom River.
Not having had much luck, he and his partner determined
to go up into a particularly wild and lonely pass
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through which ran a small stream said to contain many beaver.
The pass had an evil reputation because the year before
a solitary hunter who had wandered into it, was there
slain seemingly by a wild beast, the half eaten remains
being afterwards found by some mining prospectors who had passed
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his camp only the night before. The Memory of this event, however,
weighed very lightly with the two trappers, who were as
adventurous and hardy as others of their kind. They then
struck out on foot through the vast, gloomy forest, and
in about four hours reached a little open glade, where
they concluded to camp, as signs of game were plenty.
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There was still an hour or two of daylight left,
and after building a brush lean to and throwing down
and opening their packs, they started upstream. At dusk they
again reached camp. They were surprised to find that during
their absence, something apparently a bear, had visited camp and
had rummaged about among their things, scattering the contents of
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their packs and in sheer wantonness, destroying their lean to.
The Footprints of the beast were quite plain, but at
first they paid no particular heed to them, busying themselves
with rebuilding the lean to, laying out their beds and stores,
and lighting the fire. While Bauman was making ready supper,
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it being already dark, his companion began to examine the
tracks more closely, and soon took a brand from the
fire to follow them up where the intruder had walked
along a game trail after leaving the camp. Coming back
to the fire, he stood by it a minute or
two out into the darkness, and suddenly remarked Bauman that
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bear has been walking on two legs. Bauman laughed at this,
but his partner insisted that he was right, and upon
again examining the tracks with the torch, they certainly did
seem to be made by but two paws or feet. However,
it was too dark to make sure. After discussing whether
the footprints could possibly be those of a human being,
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and coming to the conclusion that they could not be,
the two men rolled up their blankets and went to
sleep under the lean to. At midnight, Bauman was awakened
by some noise and sat up in his blankets. As
he did so, his nostrils were struck by a strong
wild beast odor, and he caught the loom of a
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great body in the darkness at the mouth of the
lean to. Grasping his rifle, he fired at the vague,
threatening shadow, but must have missed, for immediately afterward he
heard the smashing of the underwood as the thing, whatever
it was, rushed off into the impenetrable blackness of the forest.
And the night after this the two men slept but little,
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sitting up by the rekindled fire, but they heard nothing more.
In the morning, they started out to look at a
few traps that they had set the previous evening and
put out new ones. By an unspoken agreement. They kept
together all day and returned to camp towards evening. On
nearing it, they saw hardly to their astonishment that the
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lean to had been again torn down. The visitor of
the preceding day had returned, and in wanton malice had
tossed about their campkit and bedding and destroyed the shanty.
The ground was marked up by its tracks, and on
leaving the camp it had gone along the soft earth
by the brook, where the footprints were as plain as
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if on snow, and after a careful scrutiny of the trail,
it certainly did seem as if whatever the thing was,
it had walked off on but two legs. The men,
thoroughly uneasy, gathered a great heap of dead logs and
kept up a roaring fire throughout the night, one or
the other sitting on guard most of the time. About midnight,
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the thing came down through the forest opposite across the
brook and stayed there on the hillside for nearly an hour.
They could hear the branches crackle as it moved about,
and several times it uttered a harsh, grating, long drawn moan,
a particularly sinister sound, yet it did not venture near
the fire. Well, sound like a sasquash. I don't know
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what does man.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, I'm imagining the Ohio. How when I hear him
say that?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well, they specifically said moan, harsh grating, long drawn moan.
That to me says a big old Ohio howl or
something to that effect. Anyway, I mean, how many stories
have you heard of people getting freaked out around the
fire and having to listen to these things yell at
them and stuff. It's like, yeah, in the morning, the
two trappers, after discussing the strange events of the last
thirty six hours, decided that they would shoulder their packs
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and leave the valley that afternoon. All the morning they
kept together, picking up trap after trap, each one empty.
On first leaving camp, they had the disagreeable sensation of
being followed in the dense spruce thickets. They occasionally heard
a branch snap after they had passed, and now and
then there were slight rustling noises among the small pines
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to one side of them. Again, very very typical Sasquatch behavior,
following these things around. You know, these people came into
the Sasquatch's territory. The Sasquatch is clearly just keeping an
eye on them, following them about.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
And right in their traps. Wmember, We talked to that
one kid when we were down in the south. His
trap blink kept fitting rated like they would pull all
the animals out. Then he finally found the big footprints there.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, he saw the thing while he's doing a great
footprint tracks, by the way, And also the didn't that
happened at that place where ken Walker heard from that trapper. Dude,
that's the same thing does happening there.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
We hear it. We've heard it like dozens of times. Yeah,
at least I have.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Sure At noon they were back within a couple of
miles of camp in the high, bright sunlight. Their fears
seemed absurd to the two armed men, accustomed as they
were through long years of lonely wandering in the wilderness
to face every kind of danger from man, brute or element.
There were still three beaver traps to collect from a
little pond in a wide ravine nearby. Bauman volunteered to
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gather these and bring him in, while his companion went
ahead to camp and made ready the packs. On reaching
the pond, Bauman found three beavers in the traps, one
of which had been pulled loose and carried into a
beaver house. He took several hours in securing and preparing
the beaver, and when he started homeward, he marked with
some uneasiness how low the sun was getting. At last
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he came to the edge of a little glade where
the camp lay, and he shouted as he approached it,
but got no answer. The campfire had gone out, though
the thin blue smoke was still curling upwards. Near it
lay the packs wrapped and arranged. At first, Bauman could
see nobody, nor did he receive an answer to his call.
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Stepping forward, He again shouted, but as he did so,
his eye fell on the body of his friend, stretched
beside the trunk of a great fallen spruce. Rushing toward it,
the horrified trapper found that the body was still warm,
but that the neck was broken, while there were four
great fang marks in the throat. Well, that doesn't jive
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very well at the Sasquad.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
That's the one thing that throws me off on the
whole story.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
We'll get back to that in a minute after we're
done here. The footprints of the unknown beast creature, printed
deep in the soft soil, told the whole story. The
unfortunate man, having finished his packing, had sat down on
the spruce log, with his face to the fire and
his back to the dense woods, to wait for his companion.
It had not eaten the body, but apparently had romped
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in gambold round it in uncouth, ferocious glee, occasionally rolling
over it and over it, and had then fled back
into the soundless depths of the forests. Bauman, utterly unnerved
and believing that the creature with which he had the
deal was some something either half human or half devil,
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with some great goblin beast abandoned everything but his rifle
and struck off at speed down the pass, not halting
until he reached the beaver meadows, where the hobbled ponies
were still grazing. Mounting, he rode onward through the night
until far beyond the reach of pursuit.
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Speaker 2 (14:37):
All right, so let's let's take a closer look at
the story here to kind of maybe not line by line,
but things that grab my attention, and the first thing
that grabs my attention is the opening line frontiersmen are not,
as a rule, apt to be very superstitious. I disagree,
and I understand his argument against it, but I disagree
completely with that one. I think that frontiersmen or woodsman
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and all that sort of you know, these are like sale, Yeah,
they do tend to be rather superstitious in a lot
of ways. I think.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Well, in the same breath, figuratively speaking, Roosevelt says, well,
because of his German ancestry, he was, no doubt, you know,
raised in an environment that was replete with superstitious stories,
you know, goblin stories, inspecters and things like that. So
those two statements are immediately at odds.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
That doesn't change the story at all. That's just, of course,
Roosevelt's two cents, and maybe Roosevelt's two cents are only
worth one. No, it's Roosevelt's three cents, right right. So
let's see what the next thing I want to talk
about here, Well.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Let's talk about the setting, because obviously that's the heart
of Sasquatch Territory for the Inner Mountain West. I mean,
there's still contemporary reports that come out of that region
to this day.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, and it's still a very very wild area. This
particular area is one of the only inland temperate rainforests
in the world. In fact, get this spot kind of
basically the panhandle of Idaho more or less gets almost
as much rain as the coast of Washington does.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
It's beautiful. I saw a camp though with Flippy. We
were filming fine bigfoots. I was out for four nights
without the crew, and we were in the bitterroots in
that area, and man, I couldn't believe it. We were
these lush it was a rainforest. And because you know,
it's all desert down below there, like when you get
down out too far, gets pretty, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
High desert.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And I was like, my god, there was there was springs,
there were there was ferns galore, and roadies, redinderans, and
but just the amount of giant ferns blew my mind.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
And this just water bowling on the ground all over
the place.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Very very wet area. You know, Later on in this story,
Roosevelt does does what very what kind of a lot
of skeptics to do nowadays, they kind of try to
write it off, somehow, write off somebody's perfectly normal observation.
Is something much more mundane when he says that it
may be that when overcome by the horror of the
fate that befell his friend, and when oppressed by the
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awful dread of the unknown, he grew to a tribute
both at the time and still more in remembrance, weird
and elfin traits to what was merely some abnormally wicked
and cunning wild beast. But whether this is so or not,
no man can say.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
So.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, he's trying to like discredit those like maybe he
might have just been scared, might have been remembering. It's
more an exaggerated fashion than what actually happened.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
So, yeah, he was trying to he was a logical guy.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, I suppose so. And of course, you know, another
interesting thing about this story is that this particular pass
had that reputation because somebody else had died there before
torn apart, torn apart. Yeah, and a lot of these
Sasquatch places even today have sort of ill reputations where
so and so was murdered there, or it's haunted, or
they're the devil rooms there, or nobody goes in there
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because nobody comes out, you know, that kind of stuff.
And so even back then, places had scary, scary reputations,
and a lot of times those scary reputations only because
it had a couple of resident sasquatches within. So I
don't know, I think that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I think it's worth pointing out that the setting as
described is very consistent with the setting as described by
not only witnesses who claim to have seen sasquatches in
the act of ambushing prey like deer or elk or
even wild hogs in other parts of the country, but
also the sort of setting where people very often experience
intimidation displays, and that being a small open clearing with
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steep slopes that are heavily forested on either side and
usually bisected by some kind of stream or creek. And
so that's what he describes, that they found themselves in
a small open glade, you know, an open beaver meadow,
the rocky, timber clad ground being from there onward impracticable
for horses, meaning it's steep. So there's you know, steep
forested slopes on the sides of this small open glade
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or open meadow, and that they're you know, being this creek.
He describes it, the glade in which it was pitched,
was not many yards wide, the tall, close set pines
and firs rising around it like a wall. On one
side was a little stream beyond which rose the steep
mountains covered with unbroken growth of evergreen forest. And actually
have a list of reports of people experiencing intimidation displays,
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and you read time and time and time again. You know,
we found ourselves in a small open clearing, you know,
basically in a bowl where there's high ground on all sides,
heavily forested, sort of like if you can imagine being
in an amphitheater and you're on stage and you know
the seating around you. You know, there's there's no bad
seat in the house, so to speak, and so something
like that. If they are ambush hunters or ambush predators
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using terrain to their advantage choke points, bottlenecks, et cetera,
but also maintaining cover on high ground where they can
see animals that are foraging in an open area so
they can observe them from a distance versus in a
dense forest, all of that jives perfectly in this story.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, they do seem like those big bowl shape areas
and they stay up on the side and watch things
wander through. Like I think of a lot of different
locations that fit that description that I've run into sasquatches,
including that one visual that I've had through thermal imager
in North Carolina that was a big bowl shape place
that was very very quiet, kind of interesting in that
same way.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
You know, another thing that I've found repeatedly in these
intimidation encounters is the humans engaging or conducting themselves in
such a way that would lead an observing animal to
think that they're not going anywhere. You know, through hikers
tend to, you know, just constantly be on the move,
and so if you're bothered by human presence, well you
just wait a few minutes and the humans gone. But
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it's a different matter altogether when people sit down and
take off their packs. You know, the Meldrim's got that
story from the Six Rivers expedition where they had stopped
on the trail and taken off their packs to eat
lunch and started having rocks lobbed at them from the forest.
And so you see that in certain encounters where people
stop and camp for the night, whether they're pitching a
tent or hanging a hammock. But this story really caused
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me to look into other accounts where people had constructed shelters,
and those seem to be even more intense intimidation displays,
because what would send a message more like hey, this
is my home now than building a shelter in the environment,
you know, erecting some sort of like semi permanent structure.
So that element of this story you see echo to
this day in intimidation reports about you know, people setting
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up semi permanent structures in Sasquatch habitat and then being
encouraged to leave of their own volition.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Well, I will say that if somebody was walking down
the road where I live, it's a private road, I
would ask them, hey, who are you visiting? That sort
of thing. But if somebody came and pitched a tent,
I would definitely throw rocks at it.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I imagine if they came and built a little house.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I would be throwing rocks all the way. Just
go go, get the tractor and run it over pretty good.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
You would engage in wanton destructiveness absolutely of their lean
to Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Especially if those like TV structures and something make our
boundary markers for Sasquatch. What more could you be doing
to piss them off and putting up a lean.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
To yeah, something they might actually understand a little bit.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So, yeah, this is mine. That might be getting more
troll than the gunfire. But once again we see that
there's no violence until the gun shot.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right and the Ape Canyon that that happened the Bouman,
And whenever there's some sort of fatality or real scary
sort of damage or violence, it almost always is set
up by a gunshot earlier. Just it goes to show man,
I wouldn't be one. I wouldn't want to be one
of these people hunting one. I'll tell you that. How
scary would that be? The actually I hit it, it
ran away, and now I've got to be here for
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the next eight hours. Oh man, horrifying. See that's the
horror movie that needs to be made for sure.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I like that line though, when it is Bauman that
bear has been walking on two legs.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, and it's like, what, I don't know, you have
Bauman laughed at this. That's the next line in the
story right there. But yeah, yeah, it did seem to
be made, but didn't made by two paws or feet.
I don't think that line would be in there and
if they looked like bear tracks.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And this thing just screams bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Then they a few lines later after discussing whether the
footprints could possibly be that of a human being, and well,
why would that discussion be there if they're talking about
a big brown bear, You know, it just doesn't make sense.
They us have looked a lot more like human prints
than a regular brown bear, would you know. And there's
tons of brown bear even in that area today. And
then of course he goes on a few moments later
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in the story, he is awakened by some noise and
then his nostrils were struck by his strong wild beast odor.
Well there you go. About ten or fifteen percent of
sasquatch reports have that smell associated with it, and it's
right here in the story, right here. Then he saw
the loom of a great body in the darkness. That's
a sasquatch, you know, a loom of a great body
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unless the bear's standing up. But it must be standing
up because it's walking around on two legs, right yeah,
And then of course he fires at the thing. Oh
the costs his friend's life.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So it comes back the next day because the people
haven't left yet. And of course this poor Sasquatch is
probab be just defending it its hunting area. Of course,
these poor people too. Okay, they should have just left.
Get the hint, you know, I'll tell you, Like, if
I was out of one of these spots that I
go to and something came in and messed up all
my camp while I was out, I don't know if
I would stay.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, it's easy to say you would, but it depends
like how violent it is.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You know, Like if you've got heavy things that are
like smashed and thrown up in trees and that sort
of stuff, and you got your yetti cooler like torn
in half and like really violent stuff, like I'd be
a lot more intimidate than just like stuff you know,
messed up, but really like violently ripped apart and chucked
and snapped.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
That'd be a whole another level.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
So the next night they're scared, right, so they get
a bunch of They get a bunch of firewood and
keep the fire blazing all night long, and the thing
comes back after midnight at some point, and it's on
the opposite that sounds probably just the opposite of the brook.
So there you have the castle and moat thing where
the Sasquatches keep some sort of barrier between you and
it all the time. And it stayed on the hillside
for about an hour, they say, and they can hear
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the branches crackle as it goes back and forth, and
then it starts saying the long, sinister moan, the grating,
long drawn out moan. These guys can't take a hint.
Apparently Sasquatches don't speak English, but they're very, very effective communicators.
These guys should have known better. And of course the
next morning they said, yeah, let's get the hell out
of here, and so they do, or they try to.
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At least one guy never made it out, as we know,
we just heard the story. But yeah, so they go
out and gather all their traps, and of course what
do they have a sensation of being followed. In fact,
he even says, a disagreeable sensation of being followed. So
they were scared. I imagine the hair was raising on
the back of that. They felt like they're being watched.
The whole nine like all those typical copy and paste
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sort of sasquatch descriptors when people don't see the sasquatch
in the woods, but they know it's there because they
can feel it somehow. Probably some sort of consequence of
infosound in my opinion, but who knows what that is.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
It could be that thing that you know.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It could be that they give off a pheromone and
they're scent that trigger's off something our primitive brain from
when we evolved ut to these guys and competed with
them like that that could send that same sensation of
hair up pilo erection.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah. I like how the men kind of write it
off once once it gets daylight two, because I see
that again and again and again, like people come in
the museum, like if I saw one, I do this say, well,
that's all nice and cute to say, like in the
daylight inside of a store, but when you're out there
in the dark alone or with one other person, you
really don't know what you're gonna do. It's easy to
be a tough guy when you're in the daylight, you know,
(26:32):
I know, because I am one in the daylight, right, Yeah,
we all are in the daylight. Sure, people ask me like,
have you ever been scared, and said, dude, if you
haven't been scared, like you're lying, you know, mind to
yourself or lyning to somebody else, Like it's scary out
there sometimes when they're around. Just trying not to let
fear stop you from doing anything unless it's tremendously stupid.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
That doesn't stop me.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That's just wisdom stopping you. Yeah, never stopped me before. Okay,
So then he gets back to camp, of course, and
then he doesn't see anybody until he sees that his
friend is already dead. His neck had been broken, by
the way, which is a chimpanzees and right, the necks
of their pary deer are found with broken necks, and
elk are found with broken necks, possibly done by sasquatches,
(27:15):
So it makes sense that his friend would be killed
that way, right, or it could be at least so
he found his body. But the thing is like, okay,
there's there are fang marks in the throat, you know,
like some sort of beasts got it. That doesn't sound
very sasquatchy to me, because sasquatches don't tend to have
long protruding canines. They tend to have flat teeth more
like human beings in that sort of way, and the
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other eighte species. But they may but tho these big ones.
Doctor John Binnernoggel actually pointed this out in one of
his books, Protruding canines might be a sexually dimorphic trait,
like these really big male sasquatches might have these sort
of things. So it's possible, But that doesn't sound that
doesn't ring as true as some of the other stuff does.
And it might have just been added, you know, you.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Like pronounced they're more like pronounced io teeth like kind
of a small tusk kind of. They're not like fangs
like a wolf fang.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
No, no, you know, this might have just been added
a little bit to add to the drama of the
whole thing. And after all, he is telling a quote
unquote goblin story, as he said, So yeah, maybe maybe
that has something to do with it.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
I don't know, the part about how it romped and
gambooled around it and the ferocious glee rolling over and
over it, Like there's a lot of predators that do that,
you know, they kill something, they'll get all hyped up
and thrash it, roll on it and roll on it, you.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Know, Cane, I will do that. I think some of
the big cats.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Now, ma'am. Mind you, of course he didn't see the
animal do that. He's reading the sign. It's entirely possible
that the sasquatch dragged the guy all around and beat
him like, you know, beat him against the ground or
something like you. Oh, for sure, you could do anything
if you're a twelve hundred pound sasquatch, and with this
little two hundred pound person, you could just throw him
around and beat him against the ground and do whatever
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you want to do with him, like like a rag doll.
So he might have been just reading the sign wrong,
because how does he know about the gleefulness of the assailant?
You know, that's interpretation, that's not observation.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It just means it was like the amount of exertion
put into you know what I mean, like it was
going out full force.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I think he was implying, right, maybe, yeah, entirely possible. Yeah,
And then of course Bauman bailed essentially. And I guess
the last thing of interest in here is like he
described the animals either half human or half devil, some
great goblin beast. Well, okay, I can see how any
of those words might be attributed to a sasquatch. And certainly,
just by looking at a few maps of Bigfoot territory,
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you're going to find things like Devil's Ridge or Devil's Creek,
or Devil's half Acre or devil this double that. You know,
there's even a few monster references here in Mountain National Forests,
like a ogre Creek down on the calaw Wash River. Well,
how many ogres are out here?
Speaker 1 (29:49):
You notice how he left everything behind? I mean how
often you've heard that. I mean I've done that. Yeah,
it was so freaked out you just grab like whatever,
Like he just got his rifle mounted and wrote off
these guys, you know, like that's a big deal to
leave all your beaver hives behind. You just spend all
this time getting out there, and the Sasquats are so
intimidating what they do that you just fully and object.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Horror.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
A good friend of mine actually abandoned his camp after
getting scared out of an area just last year, actually
last October. He left everything there, including several thousand dollars
of photography equipment.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
There's been a couple of times, one time in particular
very far off trail, kind of near the headwaters of
the Chattahoochee River, we found an abandoned camp. It's just
a single tint, but it looked like two sleeping bags
in there, and camp tools, sterno sort of stove fuel,
you know, a whole host of supplies just entirely abandoned
(30:48):
and they all looked very new. So it looked like
someone had just up and vanished, leaving hundreds and hundreds
of dollars worth of camping gear there.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
It could have been so growing weed out in the
woods and like they heard a helicopter coming down low
or they heard sheriff's coming and they just bolted that
there's a weede garden nearby that you didn't see.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Well, I've been to this place like many, many times,
and that's why we were just going back to a
place we had been many times and just found this
tent and these supplies like that. Were like, oh wow,
you know, it's something frightened someone enough to leave and
not come back for all this stuff. So it's entirely possible.
It just definitely makes you wonder what could have happened
that would scare someone badly enough to abandon that much
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gear and never come back for it because it was
there for months, you know. I took other people to
go look at it for months afterwards, and it was
all still there.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
There's one of those not far from where we've been
pulling all these footprints down an out in Moundhood National Forest. Yeah,
like one ridge over, but the same creek bed. There's
an abandoned camp right there with a couple of tents
and a couple of sleeping bags. And I stumbled upon it,
and I saying, God, they're gonna be bodies in these
So I had to go kick the stuff to make
sure there are no bodies in there. So kind of
a bum out when you have to go explore an
(31:57):
abandoned camp to make sure there are no dead people there.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
That imagine when we were in Indiana down there and
so Indiana the oh kind of in the second the
name of the forest, but where we set up that
camp was to be like people sleeping to lure in
the big Foot and look like murdered murdered people in
the camp.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Oh yeah, yeah. We put those mannequins and stuff out.
We ran into like a regular hikers on the trail
and we're carrying mannequins out into the woods like a
mile off trim. What what did they think? It's like,
what are these guys up to?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well, then some other people walked by and actually walked
by when they was set up.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Remember in the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
The head was coming off the one mannequin with the wig,
like all the strew and stuff. Like, they were like, like,
what's going on down there? They're pretty tripped.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Out, Like there's all these people hanging out in a
camp with like four mannequins, three or four manequins set
up around a fire, and there's like one guy sitting
in the chair next to them. Oh, man, they have
a good story. I wonder if that story ever has
been told with their friends, you know, funny stuff. Well,
(33:03):
there you have it. Man. The Bauman story probably one
of the scariest Bigfoot stories, certainly one of the most famous.
It's considered a classic. You can read the thing in
its entirety on Bobby schortz old website. Bobby, of course
has passed away now, but her website is very rich
with information. Bigfoot encounters dot com is where we read
this one from actually fantastic website. Great resource. There's some
(33:26):
factual things in here that you should always double check
with other books and whatever else. But for the most part,
it's a great, great resource.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It was my first Bigfoot website. It was the first
Bigfoot website that I bookmarked. Who went back to repeatedly.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she did a great job. She did
a fantastic job. Have you seen our copy of The
Wilderness Hunter at the museum, Bobs, No, it's pretty cool.
I got an original pre first edition copy of The
Wilderness Hunter. It was published in eight nineteen or eighteen
ninety two or three or something like that. Yeah, and
(34:01):
this particular copy that I got is a pre first edition.
You know how like nowadays, maybe before a book comes out,
you might get sent a link to the PDF of
a book that you can look at it. What back
in the day, they would do a small number of
pre prints that they would give out to journalists so
they could review the book before it came out to
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get some buzz going. And I somehow managed to stumble
on an original copy of one of those. So in
the museum we have the book opened and it's under glass,
of course, because we don't people touching it. And you know,
it's from the early eighteen you know, eighteen eighty eighteen
nineties rather so we have a pre first edition copy
of the book as well as an analysis of the
text itself on display at the NABC. So it's kind
(34:42):
of cool.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
That's cool, that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, yeah, they did have some. I went to one
of these antique books websites, you know, we can buy
these things. They had autograph copies too, at those like
three thousand dollars. I think, well, now I've got I've
got the rest of the museum to build too. I
can't afford that, right, But yeah, there you have it, man,
like one of the one of the best, you know,
goblins sort of stories out there about sasquatches, And of
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course there are plenty of other scary stories as well.
Maybe we can touch on some of those in the
members section here coming up in a few minutes. But yeah,
can be a very very scary thing, especially if you
don't know these things are out there. Knowing that they're
real animals takes away some of the fear, but replaces
it with some other stuff, because I know, you know,
brown bears are real as well. May scare the hell
(35:29):
out of me, right, but that doesn't scare scare the
hell out of me in a sort of superstitious, spooky
sort of way, just like, oh yeah, don't want to
be eaten by that, because that's what those do.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, I guess that's about it then, all right, Well,
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