CLASSICS: WJ Sheehan!

Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay speak with author and podcaster WJ Sheehan! WJ has been collecting sasquatch encounter stories for many years. His books and podcasts are called "Bigfoot: Terror in the Woods," and he's here to share some stories and insights with our audience! Learn more about WJ's work here: https://www.bigfootterrorinthewoods.com


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay
Cliff Bobo.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Is that you?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
It is, sir, nice.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I was hoping it would be you. How are you
doing today, my friend?

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Good? Good. We just had our second warm day of
the year. It was fifty six degrees but there was
no wind and the sun was out, so it felt
like a ninety.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Oh that's good and bad. That's good and bad, but
it's a welcome change. We're having the same heat wave
up here. It is sixty three right now and it
is after five pm. It is killer today. Of course,
I've been working all day and doing other stuff and
we'll work is kind of loose for me right today.
It is my day off and I've already been to
work twice so far, so pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
It's not bad. Kreta is in the running for a
job out by Walla Walla, no kidding. Yeah, she's applying
to and she thinks there's a way less competition.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Out there, probably true.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, so she talked to someone out there and they're like,
oh yeah, please submit your resume, and they sounded excited.
So who knows. I could be a Blue Mountains guy
pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
That would be cool. I mean, that'd be great. And
there's a couple of people work in the Blues, but
not that many at the end of the day, and
not that many in the Blues is an awfully big
area to have like three people working it.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yeah, Jonathan Summerland, Reggie Burgh. There's a few guys that
we now out there.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah yeah, I mean, well, Jonathan's landed a great job
or whatever, so I think his time's pretty limited. And Reggie,
you know, I think he was seven for a while,
like so I think he's been getting out a little
bit more. But yeah, there's a few people out there
doing some good work. But it would be great to
have you out there too, because I'm going to be
hitting the Blues a couple of times this year.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm stoked for if it works out. And
it's not the prettiest place. I like being in the
mountains where we'd be living down in the valley, you know, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, the rollings of an onion field sort of hills.
Maybe there's a lot of wineries the stuff out there.
Now they've really turned it around. It's not so much.
You know, Walla wall is famous in our neck of
the woods for onions essentially, you know. But it's a
great little place. I really like Walla Wall actually, and
the Blues are awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
It's the nap of Washington.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Is it? Is that what they're saying.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
That's what I heard.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Walla Walla, Napa Napa. Yeah, well cool, you got to
keep us posted on that. I'd love to have you out.
That'd be closer. I mean you'd be about four hours
for me versus the seven that I think you are now.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Yeah, it'll be just forty five minutes for me this
coming up week, and then I'll be about ten seconds
three when it comes to your house for a couple
of days at the end.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, is that you know? Melissa has been asking have
you heard from Bobo? Say, no, no indication. I think
he's going to stay here, said, I have no idea.
We won't know until midnight when he's going to show up.
You know, like he'll call me at eleven thirty or
midnight and Cliff, I'm in Salem, Can I say true? Okay? Man?
Of course we knew you're gonna be in town, so
we knew you're gonna be here eventually. Oh and everybody
people coming in the shop, you know, this past week

(02:57):
or whatever, they people ask about you the sh up,
of course, and they say, how's Bobo doing it? Oh
he's blah blah Blah's good. He might be up here
this week. And they always ask, you know what they
always ask, now, is he going to take his trailer home?

Speaker 4 (03:09):
I'm planning on grabbing it.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I that it was pretty great. It's like I can
always tell who listens to the podcast because they're asking
me what's up with Bobo's trailer?

Speaker 4 (03:21):
I might sell might be selling it pretty soon here.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Oh really, well, you know, we happen to have a
few people listening to the podcast. Maybe one of them
would want to buy it.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
It's dope. It's a sweet littlechil. I just kind of
fix it. It just sat sat for a while, and
it was just minor things. But I'm not like that mechanical.
But it was like the heat, the heating system, air
conditioner worked when I parked it, and then it didn't
work after like six months, like and then the I
got to replace the pilot light little burner thing and
for the hot water. That was about it.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, yeah, you know, if you can't turn that into
a bobo's Airbnb, then you might as well sell it
unless you're going to be camping a lot.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
So yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
An airbnb, no matter how good of an idea that is,
that would take a lot of work, I think.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, especially for that truck. You get like eighty bucks
a night and you got to clean it every time
and discovered, you know, do all that to do with
like all the bedding and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, yeah, because you know, the big potters are rather
messy folks. Sometimes he probably get a pretty dirty imagine,
you know, being out in the mud and all that jazz.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
So yeah, but who knows, maybe maybe put it up
in the blues if we're up there, rent it out
for the blues or who knows what.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, well, the world is your oyster, you know, come
get the pearl.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, I was looking at if we get something like
if we get because it's pretty slim pickings out there
for housing, So if we got like a one bedroom,
might bring it up there just parking outside for like
extra room or guest room or whatever, office, podcasting booth.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Whatever podcasting booth. That's an idea.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Well doing this. We got a new guest on this week.
We got an author from the great state of New York,
Bill Sheehan. He's the writer of Terror in the Woods.
Think there's about six of those books now, and I've
always heard, you know, people really enjoyed them. I've read
two of them the way through. He's got a ton
of contacts, tons of stories. Really interesting guy. People love him.

(05:06):
So Cliff meet Bill.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Bill's nice to meet you, man, say me and gentlemen,
it's like an old home week.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
You're listening to you guys.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Here's a podcast too.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Oh you have a bit podcast really Bigfoot Terror in
the Woods. Bigfoot Terror in the Woods now is that
the name of the of the book as well? Because
when I looked up terr in the Woods, some TV
show came up or something like that.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Oh, I don't know, but my books are entitled Bigfoot
Terror in the Woods, Sidings and Encounters. There's ten ten volumes,
and nine of them are laid down an audio book.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
So there you go. That explains it. Just because Terror
in the Wood seems to be there's like an IMDb thing.
It seems to be some sort of a three season
TV show, And I wasn't sure if you were associated
with that or if they just ripped you off or
or coincidental or what, you know, the story behind that.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, I think they just ripped me off. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Good, I mean you have something good man, it's a
good title then, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
I mean, you know, even the cover art on my books.
There's a couple of people writing Bigfoot stories now on
Amazon and they've kind of clipped into my cover art
and whatnot. Which, look, I don't mind, because it's props
to me as far as I'm concerned. They saw something
good or they like what I'm doing and they're trying

(06:26):
to mimic it in some way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Well, you know, it's kind of like it's got to
benefit you in some way too, because I was thinking, like, like,
for example, when the Travel Channel show Expedition Bigfoot came on,
I'm thinking, how stoked is Dave and Belinda Bakara for
owning a Bigfoot museum called Expedition Bigfoot. I mean it
must have been great for them.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, Well, you know, it's one big party, you know,
the bigfoot phenom. But I kind of beat to my
own drama. I'm really not concerned what other people are doing.
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Oh yeah, me too. I'm I'm exactly on that same page.
I don't even I don't know who a lot of
these players are nowadays. I don't know what they're doing
because I figure, if it's important or really really cool,
I'm going to hear about it eventually anyway, So I'm
not out there sick of my nose in other people's
business and saying, what are you up to? What's that
person doing? I just don't care, you know.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Hence Bill's appearance.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, and I was saying to Bobo earlier that I'm
a little bit out of the loop. You know, I'm
kind of only interested. I'm so busy that I'm really
only interested in what I'm doing and how I'm getting
it done. From day to day. I don't really have
time for much else, you know, as far as opinions
and bantering back and forth with people or non believers

(07:45):
or believers. You know, when you're busy, you're busy, and
I just got to stay focused and keep the wheels turning. Forward.
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. I think that's
probably the best attitude to have in this bigfoot subject. Yeah,
you have some friends that you share your stuff with,
and you just keep your nose of the grindstone, keep
doing which you enjoy doing, no matter what that is,
and maybe at the end of the day you can
contribute something that might be a value.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, and I find that. I told Bobes that I've
created a lot of really solid friendships around North America
doing this work. And one of the things that I
stick to is that I have no reason whatsoever to
not believe these individuals had the encounters that they say

(08:33):
they've had, because they could easily turn the tables on me. Now,
I've never encountered a Bigfoot, but I've had numerous UFO
encounters and several Angelic encounters during my lifetime.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Angelic.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, and now listen, anybody could hear a story told
by me and say, hey, Bill, you're full of beans,
but they'd be lying. They'd be deceived because I'm not
full of beans. It's exactly what happened to me, whether
you choose to believe me or not. So when I
interview people I get what I call a check in

(09:14):
my spirit if somebody's bs and me. I can't really
describe that to you, But when I'm talking to people,
I'm pretty keen on who's lying to me and who
isn't you know? And I attribute that to the good
old sixth sense, you know, like in the sixties when
we entered someplace, we used to say, I got a

(09:35):
bad vibe. And I attribute that to the same feeling
which a lot of people seem to have lost touch
with in this day and age. They have no sensitivity.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
I've been told I have a sixth sense, but it
was they said, a success of humor.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
No, that's a sixth sense.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Oh my god, I'm so sorry. You know my hearing
isn't the bast man. I'm so I can't believe I misunderstood.
How embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Hey, Bill, what percent of people do you think? How
did you get some any things? Trying to pull your
leg on the big Foot stories.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I would say the vast majority of people that I
speak to better than ninety percent of telling me the.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Truth, or at least their truth. I think.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, Well, for instance, if somebody says to me that
they believe that the bigfoot they sighted was two thousand pounds,
or it was eleven feet tall. If you run into
something that's tremendous, it would be very easy, especially if
you're not familiar with like walking around Clivesdale's or seeing

(10:44):
a bison in Yosemite. It'd be very easy to overestimate
or exaggerate that which you have seen, would it not?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Oh yeah, sure, so you know.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Maybe they said it was twelve feet tall and it
was nine feet Maybe they said it was two thousand
pounds and it was nine hundred pounds. I mean, how
do you wrong somebody when they say something like that.
What they're describing to you is something so off the
charts was what they're familiar with in their life that

(11:18):
the numbers just kind of escalate if you follow me.
And I never hold that against them.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Oh you can't, because people I say this all the time.
I'm always ranting that people are pretty bad observers, and
they're even worse with numbers of heights and distances and weights.
You just can't.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I don't even bother. I don't take it to heart
anybody who says they see a big foot that's eight
feet tall or ten or twelve feet tall, I just
go big. I have three different categories that I put
them in, like small man or human size, and then
big you know that kind of thing, And anything over
seven and a half I just consider big. And if
it's seven foot nine inches or eight foot twelve eleven

(11:54):
inches or god knows or whatever, it doesn't matter. It's
just big because they don't know, and there's no way
to know, even if they brush their head against some leaf.
All that sort of stuff is very imprecise science as
far as I'm concerned. So you're walking on ice, cliff, oh,
I don't mind. I don't mind dropping through ice. Every
once in a while.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'll say this. I thought I thought those people were
all like exaggerate. I thought ten foot had to be maximum.
But Danny and I have seen that one. You had
a laser range finder on it. We saw its head
touched the branch, and I think it was about eleven
foot tall. I mean it was. I couldn't believe it.
I was I they were big, and I was in
shock how big it was.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, well, you know there's genetic variation, like like look
at you, look at you, and I bobo, like we're
arguably the same species, and I'm five foot eights. You know,
if I'm not slouching, and you're you're six foot four
with your boots on, and you're well over seven feet
when you wear your personality.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Thank you, you flatter me.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah. So, you know what one of the most recent, well,
a couple of accounts that came my way that I
wasn't going to talk about tonight, but just to give
you an idea, I made the acquaintance of a really
straight shooting guy that used to fly bush in Alaska,
and he's a listener to the podcast. He squared up

(13:17):
with me one day and spent about an hour and
a half slowly going through my Q and A about
his encounter over to Mendenhall Glacier in Alaska flying bush
and he was flying with a couple of people in
the plane, a small piper. He came over to glacier

(13:39):
and he said he was about forty miles outside of
Juno at the time, which was well beyond the furthermost
reaches of even snowmobilers, and he started observing a track
line down on the glacier below him. So, of course
the people in the plane with him, they're just civilians

(14:00):
in a ride. He started to follow the track line
and came across a group of bigfoot walking along the
greci the glacier. And there are certain rules they follow
up there about especially when you have passengers. He told me,
if I didn't have any passengers, I would have given
him a crew cut. But he said he knew what

(14:20):
he was talking about. He banked a turn, came down
a little lower to try to get a better look
at them. But the backstory is this, other people in
the company that he worked for had been taking some
like deec people up in the glacier periodically to do

(14:41):
core samples of the ice and a variety of different things.
And these people were well familiar with the bigfoot, and
they thought that they were coming across from the Canadian
side and going through this portion of Alaska getting to
the lind Canal when the salmon run was heavy in there.

(15:03):
It's interesting, you know, some of the things you hear about.
I get an education from these people at the loggers,
the hunters, even the hikers. I mean, you guys know
you've done a lot of legwork walking around in the forest.
I always say that people see something because they're looking

(15:24):
sounds mundane, but there's a lot of people walking around
out there with their head up their butt or in
their cell phone, and they're not gonna see anything because
they're not looking, they're not out there, they're not observing.

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Speaker 4 (18:04):
Did did the other people on the planet see it?
Did he mention that to the guests or the customer passengers?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Well, what Jerry told me was the first thing they
think about when he throttles back and banks the plane
is that they're going down. And the one guy who
was sitting next to him said, what do you see?
And he pointed down and the guy said to him,
what's that? And he said sasquatch And the guy just

(18:31):
looked at him like, you know, no kidding?

Speaker 4 (18:35):
How many were there? He said, there were several. Did
you mentioned how many different sizes?

Speaker 1 (18:39):
I think he said there was about five. But when
he looked at them. He was still a good height
above them. You know, we're talking like a thousand feet.
He explained to me that when you go from Juno
to Skagway, which is where they were heading that day,
He said, you would typically fly directly over the Linn
Canal or up over the Mendenhall Glacier. The fairs that

(19:04):
were with him that day wanted to go over the
Lynn Canal so they could see some orcers, and Jerry
said that he had just done a mail run from
Skagway in the morning and there were no orcers in
the canal, so he took them over to Mendenhall Glacier
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(19:27):
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you know, when I say you get an education from
some of these people, it's just that way, Like when

(19:48):
I talked to the many loggers that I talked to. Cliff,
you'll get a kick out of this.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
One of my newfound bigfoot buddies, Dave. I won't mention
his last name. He's a logger for going on forty years.
He had an encounter and also another logging crew in
the salmon Berry Canyon.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's local here.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, And they were doing he's actually had a couple
of encounters, but they were doing a clean out on
a site. He's a driver. He drives a log truck
in and out. And the road going into this site
is twenty five miles long into the woods. And when

(20:38):
he was going in early in the morning four point
thirty I think he said, his lights in the trees
hit something leaning against the side of a trunk. And
they're not going fast. You know, this is a dirt
road created for these big, heavy trucks to move in
and out of it. Some of them are all over

(21:00):
some dicey situations in there. He saw this thing and
he told me it was the biggest silver back gorilla
I ever set eyes on. And it froze when the
headlights hit it, leaning against the trunk of a tree, like,
you know, standing still, like it didn't want to be seen.
But he knew what he had seen. So now fast

(21:22):
forward a little bit. In there working this site, one
of the guys on the landing had said he heard
people talking in the woods and he couldn't understand them. Now,
Dave hadn't let on what he had seen to anybody,
and then the shuttle operator also chimed in and said

(21:44):
he heard some people talking in the woods and he
couldn't understand them either. So the shuttle operator takes it
on himself to drive around on any of the dirt
pathways that he could with the truck, looking seeking out
who might be in the woods, and he found nobody.
Now a short time later, now Dave had seen this
giant what he described as a silver back. He knew

(22:07):
it was a bigfoot, but he was trying to put
into perspective what he was looking at, black and gray, bigfoot, monstrous.
When they cleaned out their site and left, another logging
company had come in behind them doing another area using
the same road. So fast forward to the summertime. Dave

(22:31):
runs into a couple of these blokes from this other
logging company and he says to him, hey, did you
see anything up there while you guys were working? And
the guy says to him, see anything. We saw a
freaking bigfoot walking down the cut line and ducking back
into the woods. That was silver and gray or white

(22:53):
and gray.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's more verification right there, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Right there. I mean you're talking close proximity, within miles
of where Dave was when he saw this thing against
a tree. Then the gibberish being heard around the landing
side off into the woods. And now the whole crew
saw this bigfoot because the guys up on the landing

(23:18):
first saw it. Then they radio down to the guys
in the brush, signaling to them to take a look.
And everybody was watching this thing walk right down their
cutline and then ducking back into the woods. So I mean,
just really interesting, you know. But again, you know, I've
had encounters happen and basically fairly urban areas. I mean,

(23:44):
you know, where houses are built, and this typically always
plenty of forest around adjoining these houses. But not every
bigfoot siding, as you well know, has to happen in
the middle of a koutene or something.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
You know, It's very common misunderstanding is that people think
you have to go in the middle of nowhere to
have Sasquatch reports and that doesn't make any sense even
from the get go, because really, to have a bigfoot report,
you have to have a sasquatch at a place that
a human is at, and if we're ever going to
hear about it, there has to be an investigator nearby
who's willing to listen and share it. So most bigfoot
reports happened where those two species overlap, sasquatches and humans.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah, I had a guy in New Jersey. And by
the way, a lot of the data that I've collected
comes from very diverse areas. I mean everywhere from Florida
to Maine. A lot of activity in Quebec and Alberta

(24:43):
in Canada, British Columbia, your neck of the Woods, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Kentucky, Texas,
the Dakota is Ohio. I mean it just Michigan and
the Upper Peninsula in Michigan. Yeah, it just goes on
and on and on. So what do you say. Look,

(25:08):
I had a bus driver. I had a woman bus
driver who was driving what you would call like a
mini bus. She was waging. She had a custom of
parking on the side of this road, drinking her coffee
in the morning, letting the bus warm up before it
was time to begin her little route, and she was

(25:29):
drinking coffee and something slammed into the side of the bus.
She turned her head and saw the body of a bigfoot,
so big that she couldn't see the top. She punched
a gas taken off in this mini bus, and the
bigfoot slammed her in the rear door, breaking the back
window and denting the door on the emergency door. When

(25:53):
she got back and told the boss what happened, she
didn't do her route. She went right back to the barn.
They fired her. They thought she was bs in her
and she was telling them the truth about what had happened.
They thought she backed into something, you know, poor driving,
smashed the door and broke the window out, and that

(26:14):
was the end of her career over there. But little
things like that, you know, just strange things. People having
their henhouses ransacked. I had a guy I had a
story I called the meat freezer incident. This fellow had
a barn behind his house and he put a giant

(26:38):
frigidare floor freezer in there, you know those old ones
where you'd pull on the handle and lift the whole
lid up. He got this thing in the yard sale,
and he put it in there as a venison locker,
and he had bolted through with carriage bolts, a galvanized
clasp on the lid, and master lock on it. And

(27:02):
this bigfoot ripped the freaking carriage bolts out, the clasp
and the master lock off the freezer. I mean you
want to talk about strength. You know, these things are
off the charts as far as physical strength and abilities go.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yeah, that's pretty common. The meat freezer like things like
outdoor fridges and meat freezers like I've heard at least
two dozen reports of that happening getting raided.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, well, listen, you guys know these things are opportunists. Uh,
and they're not unlike a lot of other animals who
know what's around their area. They know when the fruit
trees are in bloom. They know where to get their fish,
They know where to get a drink of water if
they want one. Uh, you know, they're rare. I have

(27:54):
a if we get a chance. Tonight, I brought a
you know, Bubba, I was talking to you. I said,
do you want me to read any accounts? I picked
a variety here, but one of them I named where
the ravens gather that's gonna blow your mind if we
get to reading that. But I've had several reports of
people seeing bigfoot in trees. Nest Robin, I don't know

(28:17):
what you think about that, or what you may or
may not have heard about that. I've heard that, Yeah, yeah,
bigfoot up in trees, like grabbing eggs or chicks or
whatever they're doing up there, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Even full sized ones or just the littler ones, or
is there a pattern to the size of the animals
that are up in the trees.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, I don't know, just big enough to know them
as being a bigfoot. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Gotcha?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
So look, I have a guy who calls himself weasel.
He's an ongoing investigator for me up in Alberta.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
That's cool. I know a couple of guys that I
call weasel bit for different reason.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I didn't say he is a weasel. That's a different
terminology in Brooklyn, but he called himself weasel. And he's
actually Ukrainian. His parents came over from Ukraine and settled
up there. But he's a really interesting cat. He has

(29:15):
an infatuation more than that actually in the bigfoot creature,
and he's hunting these things high and low up there,
and he has a lot of connections with many indigenous
tribal people up in that neck of woods, and so
people are now coming to him with reports and giving

(29:35):
him heads up. But one of the things that Weasel
came on to was that there were bigfoot creatures visiting
a couple of dump sites up there, in other words,
garbage dumps. And he stakes these places out in tree
stands at night using optics and whatnot to catch the

(29:57):
creatures coming out of the woods, and it's them bears.
There's a lot of activity at the dumps at night.
And he sent me photographs of what he says is
a little bigfoot sitting up in a nest in a tree.
And he has gone to this nest site during the
day when nothing's around there, and he said, the whole

(30:20):
bottom of the nest and the trunk of the tree
below the nest is just like dripping with crap. So
these things are sitting in the nest and pooping right
in their own nest, and it's dripping down out of
the sticks and going on the tree. But he says
he believes that the parents are putting the young'uns up

(30:44):
in the nest while they go out foraging or hunting,
because the timberwolves, if they were on the ground, would
kill them. Now, I don't know what you think about
any of that stuff, but again this is coming from
a guy then Weasel the.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Weasel, a guy named Weasel. Yeah, well, it sounds like
he's maybe he's seeing it, has an observation, and he's
trying to make sense out of it. He's trying to
figure out, Okay, what's going on, because how does how
does he connect the wolves to this?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, he doesn't. He just knows they're there. And his
theory is that they are being put in the tree
for protection when the parents.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
On around right right, which could very well be the case.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah. Now, my brother was up in Alaska a couple
of years ago. He went in by bush plane to
fish salmon on this remote river and they had a
guard with them that had a pump action shotgun, and
they had huge bears, I mean walking within like ten

(31:51):
fifteen feet of them on the river. And I said
to my brother, you know, you're out of your mind, man,
And he said the guard said that he carries his
shotgun with them all the time and he's never had
to use it in over a decade. So these bears
are so preoccupied with the fish and so stuffed to

(32:12):
the fill with the salmon, they're not even interested in
what these guys are doing. But it was told to
him that the mother bears will put their cubs up
in a tree, and the fella referred to it as
what did he call it? What do you call it?
When little kids go to daycare, like something like baby

(32:34):
bear daycare or something like that, they show them up
into trees while they go do stuff to keep them safe.
So it kind of rang true to me a little
bit across the species a bear and bigfoot that maybe
these guys do the same thing.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Maybe I'd never heard that before.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, I don't know what you make of that. I'm
just sharing information with you. Yeah. Now, I was mentioned
to Bobo earlier today. We were talking on the phone
and I said, you know, when people talk to me,
other encounters come into my mind. So it's like there's
a recessed database in my brain that's jogged when people

(33:16):
talk about what happened with them.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
That's a good, that's a good.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Uh yeah, yeah, because there's too much, it's overloaded, and
I can't recall everything. But when you start sharing about
your encounter, suddenly a connected dots starts happening within my
mind and the details of a certain encounter start coming through,

(33:42):
and I start to realize that there are similarities across
the board, uh with encounters with bigfoot. And I'm sure
you guys have found that through the years, because I'm
certainly no loan wolf here. But there are a lot
of the creatures of habit and what one does and

(34:03):
one sees typically somebody else has seen the same or
different creature obviously doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
And probably in the same area.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Could be you know, I'm not lucky enough to have
ongoing encounters in the same region. I shouldn't say region,
like in the same what's the word I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Well, yeah, sure, yeah, local or something. Yeah, but you
must be you must be seeing this if you're plotting
these on a map, like the same general areas produce
a fair number of the sidings out of that partecure zone.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Well, for sure, no small statement I'm making here. The
Pacific Northwest, where you guys live, is above and beyond
any other area of the country for sidings and encounters.
Second to that area is Alberta, Canada, and then from

(35:01):
there it's a crapshoot nationwide as far as sporadic sidings
here and there. Another hotspot is Maine and some of
the southern states, Michigan, Ohio, southern Illinois. Yeah, I mean

(35:23):
there's stuff going on Montana, and you know what, guys,
you find the food sources, you find the water, and
you find Bigfoot. And that's the bottom line. I cannot
tell you how many guys fishing fly fishing, whether you're
drifting in a boat, standing on the shore in some

(35:46):
relatively remote location. I can't tell you how many fishermen
have sightings of Bigfoot by the shores of a lake,
a river, or a stream. It's just it's a credible
you know. So they're not unlike a deer or any
other creature. You want to get a drink, you gotta

(36:08):
go where the water is. And let's face it, unless
you're in Minnesota, there isn't exactly water everywhere you walk,
so you've got to get to it. And you know
they need water, just like we do.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Oh you know, Bill, a great story some of other
day you have a witness an see if you remember
where it was that saw the sasquatch put its hands
his mouth and like make a motion like it was vocalizing.
It made a loud knock sound.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah. See, here's another interesting thing. I actually have one
of my listeners who just contacted me the other day.
He's like a field investigator and his name is Ricky,
lives in Oha, and he's retired now. And he says
to me, Hey, Bill, what do you think of me
working on a project for you? He said, because he

(37:09):
needs something to do, and he's going to use some
application on word, and he's going to go through all
the books reading them and he's going to log where
they were basically what happened the location. And I said,
great idea, Rick, I mean, if you don't want to,

(37:31):
you don't mind doing it. I'll be glad to be
the recipient of it. You know. But the name of
that story I entitled that account it's not wood. Now.
This couple, the husband was a landscape photographer, just like
a hobby. He used to go out and beautiful locations,

(37:53):
doing panoramic shots, just hiking, enjoying mother nature and taking photographs. Now,
they had entered into this area and they heard a
loud knock, and they said, like the wife said, what
was that? Well as this setting up their cameras and whatnot,

(38:16):
She's looking with a pair of binoculars and scopes out
something moving around in the distance on a hillside. So
then the husband zooms in on it, and all they
could see was this little being that was black, and
they saw it raise its hands to its face, and

(38:38):
when it raised its hands to its face, they heard
the knock again, and then the arms lowered. And the
interesting thing was that they told me they described this
thing as looking like a nervous man waiting for a bus.
I'll never forget it as long as I lived, because
they said it was pacing around on this hillside, back

(39:00):
and forth, like it was freaking on speed or something.
And when it stopped and raised its hands up to
his face, they heard the knock and then the arms lowered.
So I took the presumptive leap of saying that it's
not wood. In other words, it's not a wood knock.

(39:20):
It's an internal sound made through the throat the mouth.
I don't know what you want to label it as
coming out from this enormous creature that we call the Bigfoot.
I don't know what you think of at You.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Know, how many times do they hear it?

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Twice once coming in that made them like kind of
listen and look, and then again when she saw the
creature raise his hands to its mouth.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, I think. I think they make those noises in
a variety of ways. I've got a I think I
have two reports of them hitting tree, hitting stick against trees.
I think I have three of them second hand step clapping,
and now there's another one at their mouth. I think
that I think the human way of thinking is a
little bit too rigid for sasquatches and what their reality

(40:08):
actually is. We tend to think this or that, but
nowhere in between were In all likelihood they do things
in a variety of ways, and probably for a variety
of reasons as well. I think that they're much more
flexible in their behaviors than humans are in our thinking.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Did they ever see it leave? Was it sitting there
the whole time?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah? No, it did leave. It was pacing around for
a while and then walked away out of the field
of view, but it was at a great distance but
they said, they said they knew it was a bigfoot.
They when they saw this little thing in their glasses,
they said to themselves, that's a freaking sasquatch.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Was that it was small and binoculars, but it still sounded.
They could still hear it even though it was that
far away.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, well, this is the thing. The sound resonated and
was loud and clear. So this tremendous power. I mean,
just like you guys, you know, when you were to
hear the howls coming from a distance, and if you
heard a howl coming from shorter range, my god, it

(41:07):
can make your hair stand up. So these creatures have
tremendous power and lung capacity. I mean, they're a big bugger.
Just think of what it's like to be in there
a lion when it roars, I mean not just reverberates
through your body. Come on, I mean, who am I

(41:28):
to criticize? You know? How loud you say this thing was.
You know, again we fall back on saying how tall
it really was, how much it really weighed, how loud
it was. When people are describing things, they're describing such
things as they're totally unfamiliar with. I never saw anything
like this in my life. I never heard anything like

(41:51):
this in my life. This is no animal that I
know to be in this woods. So you know, you
have to rely sometimes on the reported expertise or experience
from people having lived their lives when they tell you something,
and that's all you have to go by. Where are

(42:12):
the experts? You know you weren't there? You know, is
everybody full of crap? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
But you know some people are. And I always enjoyed
those stories too. Can you tell us a story that
you've picked up over the years, whether you publish it
or not, that you just know is complete hogwash? But
it was still a lot of fun to listen to.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Uh? No, good, no, no, because everything that I put
in print, I believe gotcha Okay, And I rely again. Uh.
I've had some people go down a road with me
and I just said, this guy is just full of bs,

(42:54):
and you know, I continue a conversation trying to do
my due diligence to be a decent car. I really
I can't wait to get off the phone. And that's
the end of it.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Do you think of the people who like that kind
of person? Do you think that they're just pranksters, or
do you think that they're mentally ill and believe it
or or is it all over the board. It could
be anything.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Well, I think once in a while you got some
wise guy who thinks he's just going to call up
WJ and put one over on him. But I am
like a really prayerful and spiritual guy, and I'm telling
you I'm pretty well tuned into eye to eye contact

(43:36):
and facing off with individuals and knowing when somebody has
an ulterior motive. So I have no way to quantify
that as I'm saying that to you, But I rely
on that time and time again in my lifetime and
it has wrung true to me one hundred percent of

(43:59):
the time.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
So when I hear a hunter tell me I got
that feeling that it was time to get out of Dodge,
I'm like, right on, brother, and pay attention to that
and get the hell out of there.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
How'd you get how'd you start getting all those reports centers?
I mean, you're going to proportion from Canada all over
the US. How did people know to reach you?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Well? See, now, interestingly enough, going back a fair amount
of years, there were a lot of little rags when
you went into stores and business places, you know, those
wire magazine racks you'd see when you come into a
lobby of a place. Sure, all right, so I don't

(44:46):
want to insult you guys, but there's a lot of
that crap here in New York, and I don't know
what it's like in Oregon, but there are a lot
of places I could go into around here, going back
through the decades and come across one of these free newspapers,
some free publication, and when you went through them, you

(45:08):
would see that they were interconnected with other papers in
different areas of the country, and they'd offer you these
ridiculously low advertising rates to put an ad in there
for basically whatever you wanted. You could advertise, you know,
the Charles Atlas muscle band, you know, or you know,

(45:29):
whatever you wanted to do, as long as you were
willing to pay the fee, they would publish it. So
you could run an article in there for I mean peanuts,
like forty dollars for six weeks of coverage in like
a bunch of different locations, and you could put an

(45:50):
ad in there wanted. Those who have seen or encountered
a bigfoot creature now I have in the cover of
my books. If you've seen something, say something, and I
have my email in there. And then, of course now
we have the podcast, and every podcast I do, I

(46:12):
encourage people to chime in with us and contact me,
and they do. But the other remarkable thing is, you know,
I have a ton of people who give me their
phone number or reach out to me, and then I
never hear from them when I contact them. I don't
know if they get cold feet or change their mind.
Another interesting thing that I'll throw out to you. I

(46:34):
also find that people who have had one type of
encounter have had a number of things happen in their life.
For instance, somebody sees a bigfoot, they also have a
poltergeist activity in the house they lived in. Maybe they
had a UFO encounter.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah, we've noticed that. I mean, that's real calm. People
that have seen bigfoots, like I'd say a higher percentage
of have seen the UFO is also another pair of
normal type you know, ghosts or entities like that.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, now I was mentioning to you bigfoot bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Bill. It might also be that those same people are
more willing to talk about it, whereas people that are
like more shy or worried about the reputation they might
they might seem just as much, but you'd never hear
about it. That could be the case.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Also, another possibility is that the people who are willing
to share the things and this happened to be that
happened to me, maybe they're more willing to look outside
the box at their experiences as well, Because I mean,
I bring this person up kind of a lot. I
gave a guy a ride home one time from a
friend's house and he was kind of like poking at
me for believing in sasquatches, And I said, what was

(47:43):
the weirdest thing you've ever seen in the woods? And
he thought he told me about a bear he saw
walking downhill on two legs, swinging his arms with shoulders
and all this sudden, you know, And he clearly saw
a sasquatch, but he didn't put it in that box.
He didn't put it in that box. So maybe the
kinds of people who have a hard time explaining what
they've observed or experienced otherwise are just more willing to

(48:04):
look outside the normal avenues for explanations of what they've
experienced or see. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
I'm the kind of person where pardon my friend, I
don't give a shit what you think about me, and
I will talk to you. I will breach subjects that
are taboo with most people, and because I don't care
what people think about me, I open up the subject
matter and I'm open to their ridicule what they say

(48:43):
about me. When I leave the room, I open myself
to all kinds of stuff simply to try to gain information.
Because when I talk to people and when I share
with them things that I believe in this that tip quickly,
either in a group or when they catch you on

(49:03):
the side. Is when things get a little interesting and
they get into that safe zone where they're like, I
could talk to WJ, and I'm going to talk to them,
And that's when you start to find all of the
interesting things that they didn't want to say publicly, but
now they will say it to you. So when when

(49:26):
people feel safe with you, they will open up to you.
And when people share secrets with me, they remain secrets.
I don't like to gossip. I don't want to besmirch
anybody's reputation. If you tell me something, it's mine and

(49:48):
nobody else's. If you tell me you don't want your
name used. If people tell me I could use their
name in an account, I don't use it. Everybody's name
attached to every story in my books is fictitious. If
you tell me your name is Cliff Barrickman, I'm gonna
call you Dick Tracy.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I've been called Dick before instead of Cliff here.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Well, you know, if you're Jimmy Fay, I'm gonna call
you a Robert Schmidt.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
I think that's great because I know a lot of
people come seeking me to be her attention wise, you know,
they want they want to be in the podcast, they
want name published, and some sort of thing. I'm going
to write her a blog post. And the best way
to avoid that is not to give anyone attention.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, I just I avoid the whole thing altogether. You know,
going back many years, like some people have said to me, well,
how'd you get interested in this subject? Well, I remember,
Jason must have been nineteen seventy something.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
I saw the.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
A clip of the Patterson Gimwin film. Now I'm going
to fast forward to my life today, even though I'm
not doing this work anymore. I have a degree in
occupational therapy, and I am well familiar with the muscular
skeletal system of the human body. And being well familiar

(51:12):
with that system anatomically, a bipedal creature vis a VI
sasquatch has to have a very similar muscular skeletal system
to that which we have. In other words, if you're
going to have flexion, extension, abduction, deduction of limbs, body parts,

(51:38):
hand movements, metatarsals, metacarpals, ball and socket joints at the
shoulders and knees, you know they have to be similar
to do the movements that they do, because those are
the movements that we do.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Now.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
When I look back at the Pattison Gimblin film, there
is no way, no how that was a man, a woman,
or anything else in some kind of monkey suit, because
the skin is attached to the muscles, and you see

(52:19):
those muscles moving exactly the way they should when the
body moves in the movie clip they're pitching to the
choir here. Yeah, there is no doubt about it. And
I don't give a rats ass what anybody says about it.
When I look at that thing dead on true. And

(52:41):
that's the bottom line. Now, you look at other ridiculous
stuff like when Andre the Giant put on the monkey
suit on a six million dollar man, or that beef
Jerky commercial that was on a few years back with
the Sasquatch throwing a guy around the campsite and all that.
Whatever suits they put on a man, they don't act

(53:04):
the way skin does on skin. They don't act the
way tissue does a muscle, tissue attached to the dermis
and the epidermis on a body. You can't mimic that.
It's got to be connected. It's got to be real.
It's got to be live time for it to appear
the way it does. And that's exactly what you're looking

(53:27):
at in the Patterson Gimbling film. You are looking at
a living creature that Patterson just was fortunate enough to
have that camera within that day and catch that clip.
I've never met the man, I never will. I believe
one hundred and ten percent that what he and Gimblin

(53:48):
caught that day is legit evidence. No, there's no doubt
about it. And again, I don't care what anybody else thinks.
I'm not asking anybody if they agree with me, I
frankly do not care what you think about that film clip,
and that's that's it. I just stand my ground and
that's it. You could call me a jerk. You could say, boy,

(54:11):
is that guy drunk the kool aid? Yeah? Okay, so
I drank the kool aid? What are you drinking?

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Yeah? Sugar free? Was I was gonna asking? I think
it was I think book three or volume three. Didn't
you say? Was that the one where he had people
in the story said they had drone footage from like
fifty sixty feet away?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Then well, now, yeah, no, I did have that guy
that was running a drone on some power lines and
he was investigating power lines for maintenance purposes. Now here
you go. He claimed to have footage of flying over

(54:48):
this bigfoot that was traversing the power lines he was checking.
But he wasn't willing to share the footage. That's exactly
like not having footage at all. Yeah, exactly, But the
account was compelling. Now listen, when you say that you
have to and I'm not saying you're not, I'll give

(55:09):
you an example. When you talk about people who were
willing to share, willing to not something as mundane as
a couple of years ago, the lobby in our hospital
at night was fairly vacant, which is very unusual. But
it was late, the building was closed to visitors, and

(55:32):
at that hour of the night, most people are on
their unit's working with the patients. I happened to approach
this new security guard that was sitting at one of
the stations, and like I introduced, I had waived him
and said hello to him before, and I just stopped.
And of course, as is the case with me, like
who the freak stops to introduce himself to you and

(55:54):
starts talking bigfoot. Well me, of course, sure, So he says, oh,
you're into bigfoot. Hold on for a second, and he
pulls out his iPhone and starts scrolling through all of
these photographs. And he pulls up this photograph and puts
it in my face, and it's a picture of a

(56:16):
guy with a glove on with his hand next to
a beautiful footprint in the soil in the forest. He says,
that's my brother's hand next to a bigfoot bigfoot track
he found in the Adirondacks when he was deer hunted.
So I asked him, can I have that picture, and

(56:40):
he says to me, I don't know. I'll ask my brother,
and his brother told him no, I don't want him
to have it. I hate that, so a lousy picture
of a glove. I don't even know the guy's name.
I didn't ask for his name. I just said, can
I have that picture? And I was declined.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Yeah. I've had similar frustrating because it's just there's no
it's just ridiculous, like the paranoia people.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
And yeah, well, I mean, what can you say. You
can't make somebody do anything. Now I wish, I really
really wish we had video today because I have in
my hand my survival map from Washington State. Now, you

(57:33):
guys have probably seen clips of this, the photographs, the
pictures anyway at different times, and you're working with Bigfoot.
I physically own the map. And this is a three
foot by five foot map of the four survival training

(57:53):
areas used by the Air Force Survival School in Washington State.
I believe it is made out of tyvek, which in
the seventies Bob Vila on this old house brought to
the public's eye as a house rap. Do you remember

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that stuff? That's right now? I think this was actually
created for the military. Now on this map, which is
unlike any map you have ever seen in your life.
This was given to me by a lifer in the military,

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and it was given to him by a special Forces
guy who knew he had interest in the subject to Bigfoot.
And he came to him one day and said, I
have something you're really going to be interested in, and
he laid this map on his desk. In the corner
of this map, amongst other things, where they have like

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setting the compass for night travel, recovery procedures, celestial navigation aids,
how to use your watch in the northern hemisphere for navigation.
There is stuff on here that you can't believe. But
other things are like edible plants, poisonous plants. And there

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is a section in the corner of the map called
dangerous animals, my friends. And in this corner of the
map we have a photograph of a cougar, a moose,
a badger, a black bear, an American porcupine, a bobcat,

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a coyote. And guess what else is on this Air
Force map, my friends? Lodnoss, monster, sasquatch leaning on a
boulder pile. An artist conception of the creature.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Yeah, we've all seen that map that you got an
original one right.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Here in my hands. My friend, anybody out here listening
thinks you're going to come to my house and rob
this thing. It's not kept in my house, so you
could forget about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Okay. So apparently our good producer Matt Prue actually has
seen a copy of the same map here, and Matt
has just piped in like it will probably be edited
out of the main episode here, but for those people
who want to check this out, check out the link
in the show notes and Matt Pruitt will post his
video of this same map because he has seen another

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copy of it and it sounds like an extraordinarily rare item.
It sounds like an amazing thing. So if you want
to check this out, look at the show notes down below.
Click that and you will see a short video featuring
this same map.

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
So, yeah, I've seen photos of it, but I've never
seen the actual map. I never knew anyone that even
had a copy of it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah, it's it's about three feet by five feet front
and back. You could put this thing in your built
in pool for a year and pull it out and
it will be self a, no deterioration whatsoever. But now
since then, I ran into another guy. I was talking
another lifer in the same branch of the service who

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I was talking to about the map, and he said
that he had gone to survival training in a different area.
He was familiar with the map, the dimensions, etc. And
he said there was no bigfoot listed on the map
in that area. And I said, isn't that interesting because
they would have put it on there if they were
familiar with having interacted with it where he was, but

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they weren't. Now, another gentleman said he was at meetings
in Washington where this map was seen, and you could
imagine how many people have actually seen this and yet
we hear very little about it. And when the officer
in charge was asked about the bigfoot on the map,

(01:01:53):
he said, if you run into one of these things,
do not show any aggression. And one asked why. He
said that some have and it didn't end well for them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Well, I think that's age advice, you know, that's yeah,
because people ask me all the time in the museum
are these things dangerous? And and I just say, well,
look at them, they're potentially dangerous. I don't think they're
out to get us, because there'd be very few of
us left if they were. But if you're gonna mess
with them, you're asking for it. And you look at you,
look at the listen the very few stories that do
have violence in them coming from Sasquatches directed towards humans,

(01:02:32):
you know Ape Canyon for example, or the Bauman incident,
and every one of those cases that people shot at them.
So yeah, you'd be cool to them. They'll be just
fine with you. Probably. Then again, we also don't hear
from the people who never who didn't survive.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
That's right, you got to put a cliff in your
will to get back to go to his museum.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
I feel free to put in your will will.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Now. The other thing is that I stand by You know,
when I was younger, I had new paper routes, and
I knew where all the dogs were in the area
that I rode my bicycle in, and some dogs would
know you were coming buy and they'd come out looking
with the tailwagon, looking to pet you for you to

(01:03:16):
pet them, and other dogs every single day they were
looking to get to jump on you and rip you
a new butt.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
So I think.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
That bigfoot creatures are like any other creature out there,
you don't know what you're getting. You don't know the disposition,
you don't know what they're thinking, what their next move
is going to be, and it may be a move
that may remove you as a living being from the

(01:03:51):
face of this earth.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Hey, Billy, we'll run a long time. I know you
got some great stories of Goble to have some pretty
like gnarly encounters. You got to those at the top.
You can give us one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Let me read you where the ravens gather, which as
a nest robbing incident, And I think you guys will
really get a little bit of a charge at it.
This you want to hear it?

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
So this unusual siding was brought to my attention by
a fellow named Oloff Jurgensen who was hunting in the
Otter Tail range June twenty seventh of two thousand and four.
And this is what Oloff said he saw. I was
on the hunt, working my way through the timber between
Zinc and sod Light Creeks, with my end goal being

(01:04:39):
the surrounds of South Tower, which was in full view
to my northeast. Having reached a point where I was
about four hours into the morning. In my mind, I
was thinking that I would stop for a break, when
suddenly I began to hear the low, gurgling core of
a flock of ravens, which seemed to be ahead of me.

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At this point, I couldn't see the birds, but I
can only hear their distant calls as I hiked onward,
being stimulated now by the coals of the ravens and
wondering what the ruckus was all about. I had moved
forward through the timber about another seventy five yards or
so to a point where I could now see the
ravens circling in the sky just ahead of me. The

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raven is considered to be one of the smallest birds,
being deemed able to solve a six piece puzzle. They
seek out nests of other birds, and when found, one
raven will distract any birds that may be protecting the nests,
while the other birds robert blind. The ravens, however, were
not playing the part of robbers this day, but were

(01:05:46):
circling over what I believed must be a bear or
a cougar devouring a beast below them, waiting on high
for the spoils to be left behind. Because of this,
I was approaching the area with great caution, not wanting
to stumble upon a feeding bear or lion. As I
was slowly making my way through the trees and brush,

(01:06:09):
I was now approaching a zone where I could now
see the ravens circling directly above me, and still I
could see no reason on the ground for them wanting
to circle above. I had a relatively good view of
the entire area, shy, being able to see behind every tree,

(01:06:29):
and I could see no evidence of a predator feeding
on anything within the forest. It was then that my
eyes caught some movement well up into one of the
taller pines, and lo and behold, it was a gigantic
sasquatch clinging to the side of the tree, alongside of

(01:06:50):
what appeared to be a large, twiggy raven's nest. Now
it became obvious to me why the relenting circling and
coin was taking place in the sky above this location,
with turnabout being fair play. Now apparently the tide had
been turned, with the nest robbers now being the victims
of a robbery themselves. It was truly remarkable to watch

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The sasquatch was at least seventy five feet above the
forest floor, with its feet and legs wrapped around the
tree's trunk while holding on to an adjoining bow with
one arm around it. With the other hand, it was
reaching repeatedly into the nest, as I could then see

(01:07:35):
its hand going to its mouth over and over again.
The beast was repeating this movement, which indicated to me
that it was either eating chicks or eggs that were
within the nest. I watched this beast carry on its
activities as I remained well hidden below in the forest.
Some forty or fifty yards away from where it was.

(01:07:58):
There came a point where it had seemingly had its
fill of whatever was available in that nest, and began
to climb into what was even a higher position in
the tree, approaching something I hadn't seen before, which was
yet another nest in the boughs above. This creature was
now well above one hundred feet in the tree, and

(01:08:22):
based on its apparent size, I was wondering whether or
not the surrounding boughs could support it. No sooner had
I had this thought than did I hear a loud crack,
and the sasquatch, having been caught unaware by the branch breaking,
came tumbling down through the tree, smashing its body against
numerous branches and had a variety of different angles against

(01:08:46):
its body until it reached a point where it was
now in total freefall for about thirty feet, hitting the
ground with a thud. I watch as the creature lay
apparently dead on forest floor, with the ravens now rejoicing
above it, now landing in the boughs over his body

(01:09:08):
and coreing in what was like a chorus looking down
on him. It was incredible to view what was happening
before me, having thought to myself that the sasquatch had
to have died, having been the victim of such a
brutal fall. I now saw one of its arms lifting
from the ground, and it rolled onto from one side

(01:09:30):
to the other, groaning as it did so. With every
groan that it made, the coreing of the ravens became
louder and louder, with many of the birds now descending
lower and lower in the tree as if to taunt
the crippled beast. Remarkably, after twenty minutes of groaning and

(01:09:50):
rolling about on the ground, the sasquatch made its way
to its feet and with its left arm hanging limp,
began to stagger away into the trees. The Sasquatch as
it fell through the tree had broken through and bounced
off maybe eight large limbs, which was somewhere between four

(01:10:12):
and six inches in diameter. Some of them broke as
its body hit them, while others he simply slammed into him,
which caused his body to flip and tumble out of
control until he hit the ground. I don't know anything
that could survive such a fall, let alone walk away
from it. When he was lying on the ground, the

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face was initially down until it began to roll over
and back and forth. This was followed by him standing
to his feet, at which point his face was still
not visible to my eyes. I believe his height somewhere
between the neighborhood of eight and nine feet, and perhaps
five feet at the shoulders. As soon as the creature

(01:10:57):
had hit the ground, the ravens descended in mass, landing
into lower branches and swooping over the body, as if
to taunt him for having received as just rewards unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Don't mess with ravens man.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Well S, I know you got some more stories like that.
We've about out of time this one, but you want
to stick around for the member section, give a couple
more of those for us.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Bill absolutely, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Well, then for our members, we'll be hearing a little
bit more from Bill a little bit later in the
week when the new membership video is published. If you
want to be a member, you can go to Bigfoot
and Beyond podcast dot com and check and click the
membership link or check out the show notes down below.
They will lead you directly to the membership thing. It's
five dollars a month and you get about extra forty
five minutes or an hour of content every single week

(01:11:44):
from an I understand, it's worth it. That's what I
was told. I don't know. But anyway, Yeah, so that's
a Bigfoot and Beyond. So there we go. Okay, members,
we'll be talking to you in a couple of days.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
Yeah, and folks, you got to check out Bill. Bill
you said you got I know, you had like eight
of them, you said you got you got ten. Now
those books the Bigfoot Terror in the Woods.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
Yeah, Bigfoot Terror in the Woods, Sightings and Encounters WJ.
She And there's ten volumes in paperback, ebook and kindle
on Amazon, And then if you like the audio gig
which a lot of people do, Volumes one through nine
soon to be ten but I haven't recorded it yet

(01:12:24):
are available at audible, Amazon and iTunes as well. And
then of course there's our podcast Bigfoot Terror in the Woods.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
And of course all of those aforementioned things, books and
podcasts and all that jazz. They are going to be
avaiable directly to you if you click the show notes
below all there'll be links to all those things in
the show notes below.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
Great. Thanks Bill, Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Man, awesome, Bobo take us out of here.

Speaker 4 (01:12:50):
All right, folks, Thank you very much to WJ she
Have for coming on and telling us his stories and
what he's been learning. And until next week, you all
keep it Squatchy.

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