Ep. 228 - Brian King-Sharp

Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay speak with Brian King-Sharp, host of the podcast "Sasquatch Odyssey"! Brian describes his early experiences with bigfoot (and the beyond) as well as his recent experiences and track finds in North Carolina. Read more about Brian's work (and find his podcasts) here: https://paranormalworldproductions.com

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Episode Transcript

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watching always keep it squatchy. Andnow your hosts, Cliff Barrickman and James

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Bobo Fay Bobo. How you doingman? How's it going, Cliff?
I'm doing good. I'm going allright too, man. I'm just kind
of muddling through work and stuff andleave town this coming weekend for a week
for my first non Bigfoot related vacationand I don't know a year and a
half, two years, maybe more, long long time. So looking forward
to that. Going to go catchsome fish, hopefully in Mexico. There's

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a good bite down there, isn'tthere. Yeah, hurricane kind of mess
things up our little I mean justfor a couple of days, and then
it's funny. I'm going to lookpause in that general area. And the
hurricane didn't do as much as therain that came a week later did.
Apparently there's flooding and all sorts ofstuff, but it should be all cleared
up by the time I get there. I guess the dorado bites off the
hook. They're starting to catch someother species as well that they've been seeing,
marlin and salefish. So we'll see, we'll see what happens. I

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mean, of course, by thetime this gets published, I will have
already come back, So maybe I'llhave a couple of fish pictures to put
on the Patreon for people to enjoy. If we're gonna cooler, absolutely bring
a cooler down and it's going togo go go pongo fishing practice in my
Spanish and doing all that sort ofstuff. I'm looking forward to it.
It's been too long. Are fine. Oh they're a lot of fun.

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They're a lot of fun. I'mreally looking forward to it. Yeah,
Dorado's if people don't know. Onthe East Coast, they're called dolphinfish,
and in Hawaii they're called mahi mine, all the same species. So yeah,
so big news this week, Bobs. I'm sure you picked it up.
I found out about it the daybefore it was announced. I was
pretty stoked about it. The vanderWhite mine, the Ape Canyon mine has

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been discovered. Dude. I waslike, I was like, I was
like, wait, what like becausehe sent me some pictures that the guys
sent him, and I was justlike no, because you always heard like
it was it was gated and dynamitedand it was closed up for good,
like you can't find it. Andthen to see the actual hole, I

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was just like, God, Iwant to get up there so bad.
Oh yeah, you know, I'mactually even though I failed to go there
this past July, I got,you know, I got about two thirds
of the way down to the Cabinssite and I said, man, this
is too sketchy for an old man. I've been there. I'd been there
in twenty fourteen, I think theyear was had been down to the actual
Cabins site. I touched the actualfoundation beams with my hands. I dug

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up, dug up, and awhole different side, you know, just
with my hands, you know,Like it was just a couple inches under
the surface. So three of thefoundation beams had been discovered when I was
there. I guess say they lookedaround and cabins getting eaten up by everything.
Right now it's back under it's afew inches of soil, so it's
either protected hidden again depending on yourperspective. But yeah, when we were

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there, we were just doing thebest. Back in twenty fourteen, we're
trying to figure out where the mineentrance might be in Mark man, I'll
tell you, Mark marcell Is isa gnarly He's a guy who doesn't belong
to this century. He's he's he'shardy pioneer folk. He just tied himself
to a tree and dangled his buttoff the edge. Then like overhang overhang
overhanging this small chasm right underneath thecabin site. Because the best information we

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had was that that's where the mineentrance was. But apparently not, apparently
not. Mark said that he waswithin seventy five feet of the mine entrance
if we would have gone down tothe left. And again I don't I
saw the pictures that Mark published andhe said to me those same pictures and
maybe four. I don't know thecontext. I've been to the site.
I know how gnarly it is.It is off the hook, dangerous,

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scary, you know, just justprecarious the whole area. So when I
saw that mine interests they go,oh my gosh, how would you get
down to that? And the secondpic sure, where the dude is standing
at the entrance of the mine,you can see ropes. The first picture
you couldn't see ropes. But thesecond picture I saw ropes and it's like,
man, that would be a gnarlyclimb, especially knowing what's probably right
below it, you know, onehundred foot drop to the bottom of certain

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death essentially, But then again,I don't know the context. Maybe it's
easier to get down to than I'mimagining, but having been there, I
can't imagine it being easy at all, just at all. And how cool
is it that the great grandsons ofthe youngest miner who was at the incident
in nineteen twenty four are the peoplewho rediscovered the mine. That's that's incredible.

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That's that is that's amazing. Yeah, that is just fantastic. That
is so so cool and just almostserendipitous in a way. But just just
how how cool is that those guysmust just be on the moon over the
moon, you know, Oh yeah, that's I mean, that's a that's
an accomplishment they got. They're carryingon the family legacy, you know,

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like it's they're they're stoked. Yeah, And of course I asked, Mark,
can you get in there? Andfrom what I hear and the picture
kind of verified this too. Isat the small rocks in the area,
of kind of filled it in fora large to a large degree. So
I don't know. I don't knowif one can how far one can get
in there. I do know thatsomebody, one of the relatives, I
think it was Beck's grandkid, whatis his name, Rod, I think

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his name is. He was atthe mine site, he said, in
the nineteen seventies, so before theeruption. The eruption happened on May eighteenth,
nineteen eighty, so he was thereto say, maybe three or four
years or five years before the eruption, and he went into the mine and
supposedly the mining equipment was still inthere. The guys just bailed and left

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all their mining gear there, yeah, with the reporter, and they went
at the reporter and the cops.Yeah, and that's it. And apparently
they just left all their stuff inthere, which could have been a small
loss monetarily speaking for them, whichkind of I think kind of lends a
lot of credence to their claim.Oh yeah, because they were poor.
Yeah. So anyway, Yeah,that's I think that's the big news of
the of the week, if notmonth, if not year. I think

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that's just fantastic. I'm considering ifMark goes up there again, I'll even
consider I'll maybe I'll give it asecond shot, you know, But we'll
see, we'll see what will happen. Because we're running out of time here
because winter is it will be uponus shortly, because it's an early fall
here in the Pacific Northwest. Lastyear this time it was like ninety five

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degrees and today we'll be lucky tohit sixty. This pretty exciting stuff,
man, this Ape Canyon deal.But I don't know if I'm fired up
about the Ape Canyon thing or it'sthat stuff man, that stuff that that
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not like drinking a much of espresso. It's more mellow. But yeah,
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you? No? No, Idon't. Yeah, I think I've seen
I mean I spent a lot ofyears with you, man, I think
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He got first to Cliff. Yeah, so I've been doing a lot of
jobs lately, and I've been seeingthis guy around a bit and hearing his
name and that sort of thing.But I didn't know didn't know him,
and wasn't trying to meet anybody becauseit's my life's two full of people already

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some days. So but then wehad we had our paths cross, shall
we say. At the last jobI did out in Idaho, Idaho SQUATCHCN,
which turn out to be a prettygreat gig, thirty one hundred people
came. According to the organizers.A lot of good people. Doctor Meldrum
was on the job, and thenMichael Freem is on the job. And
this gentleman who is our guest today, Brian king Sharp is his name.

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He does another pot In fact,apparently he does a lot of different podcasts,
and I'd say, well, youknow what, that would be kind
of interesting, take kind of ameta podcast on our part if we had
another podcast on and we can justtalk about the business of podcasting. But
also more than that, because Brianshowing me some some really good photographs of
footprints he's been finding on and nearhis property. Now, I don't know.

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I mean, Brian and I wentout a couple of times and had
a couple of beers hung out atthe events, and generally it turns out
I really like him. Brian's arad guy. I consider him a friend
now, and so I thought,hey, this is a great opportunity to
have him on the podcast. SoBrian my new friend. Welcome to Bigfoot
and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.Thanks guys, I really appreciate you having
me on the show. Man,I really appreciate it. Hey Broun,

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Hey you got a pretty distinctive voice. Hey, Bob what's up man?
Yeah, what's your podcast? ToDame of yours? It is Sasquatch Odyssey.
How long have you been doing it? I started the first episode of
Sasquatch Odyssey back in February of twoand twenty one, so a little over
a couple of years. I've beendoing it as a full time gig since
last March. But that's not theonly podcast you do. Is that you

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have a handful of these things thatyou do in various topics that are of
interest to you. I do theSasquatch Odyssey was the first show. It
was the main interest in Sasquatch.Obviously, some of the experiences I had
as a kid sort of led medown that path. But it sort of
ballooned into this studio really with severalpodcasts. And one of the things that

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happened was kind of like, youguys, you do a Bigfoot and beyond
because sometimes people have those stories thatare beyond the Bigfoot thing, right,
So that was kind of happening tome as I was interviewing folks, and
I created an entirely new podcast calledParanormal Odyssey to talk about the dog man
stuff, the UFO stuff, theweird, you know, high strangeness,

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things that people were talking about becauseBigfoot podcast consumers can be a little bit
of a purist and some people don'twant to hear about UFOs and other things.
They just wanted to stick to Sasquatch. So I sort of created that
show. I've since passed that onto another podcaster who works in our network
and he hosts that show for me. But I was also a police officer
for sixteen years and I was reallyinto true crime stuff, so I went

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on and started a true crime podcast. So those were the first three full
time podcast and then Doug Hichek reachedout to me when he started his Untold
Radio network and wanted me to doa show over there, so I do
a Weird Encounters show over there.So for full time podcasts, three of
which that I host currently, andit's definitely there's never a dull moment for

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sure. So what would be thedifferentiators between the Paranormal Odyssey podcasts and the
Weird Encounters podcast. The Weird Encounterspodcast is a little bit more about stories.
The Paranormal Odyssey is based on realencounters. Basically, it's an interview
show. The Weird encounter show thatDoug and Ice brainstorm together was more about
me sharing stories, just reading thestories for people who enjoy that kind of

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thing. So it's a way lessheavy on the interviews and more about me
just doing narration. So now wheredo you get the stories? They're submitted
by people who experienced them. Actuallyworked with a lady over in the UK
who has a huge repository of someamazing stories that she has documented over the

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years, and she sort of putthose into a database and I had her
on the show a couple of yearsago and she had had an encounter with
what she believes to be a sasquatchover in the UK, strangely enough,
and she just allowed me sort ofcarte blanche to use those stories and read
them on the show. And thenof course we get others that are submitted
by via email from people that experiencedthem. God, image would be a

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bit going out of your mind withbeing busy, because I know one podcast
is kind of a lot on myplate with everything else I have going.
But I guess you're doing this fulltime as well, so that probably helps
a bit. I guess. Yeah, I was working fifty hours a week
as a retail manager, managing fiftypeople and trying to do the podcast.
The first podcast, which was SasquatchOdyssey in the beginning, and it was
too tough. Man. I justI enjoyed the podcast so much. It

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was my favorite thing that I'd everdone. I'd always been sort of a
performer. I sang when I wasa kid, you know, I was
always in a band, and Iwas always into that sort of performing thing
and like to have some sort ofcreative outlet. And I started the show
just because I wanted to talk aboutencounters, specifically in the southeastern United States.
I was born and raised in NorthGeorgia, near where Matt grew up.

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I think Matt's from Northeast Georgia,but I was born and raised there,
and I grew up with stories ofBigfoot and jensing hunters being ran off
the mountain by a wooly men andwild men and Harryman. So I was
always very interested in that stuff.And you know, I was in law
enforcement for sixteen years, like Isaid, and you don't talk about bigfoot
at work, at least I didn'tas a cop, right, People kind

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of already look at you like yougot two heads when you're a cop anyway,
and I certainly didn't go to workand talk about Bigfoot and UFOs and
some of the things I've experienced inmy life. But after I left that
in twenty sixteen, I was ableto sort of really dive into that,
and we bought forty acres of propertyhere in North Carolina with the hopes of
there may be something going on here. I wanted some rural property that I

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could get out into the woods andmaybe do some research. But the show
was born out of just wanting totalk to people, and that's what I
did, you know. I juststarted reaching out to people and got the
first couple of people on from NorthCarolina and Georgia and Tennessee, and it
just sort of snowballed into I've talkedto people literally in Ireland and London and

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other parts of the UK that haveclaimed to have experiences with something they can't
explain. So but yeah, it'sa full time job and it definitely keeps
me busy. You mentioned that allthese podcasts, the seat of it was
some sort of a experience you hadwhen you were young. What was that?
We had a couple of weird experienceswhen I was a kid, we
lived in what I believed to bea haunted house. There was some it

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was sort of the beyond thing,right. There was a couple of guys
that had lived there before us thatwere into some sort of Satanic rituals and
things like that. So we hadsome really weird things going on inside the
house. But when I was twelve, I was always out in the woods.
We were really poor. We hadnothing. Basically, we did have
a television, and we did havethe old antenna, you know, on
that you had to go outside inthe rain and turn the huge antenna,

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you know, to get the threechannels that you could get. But I
spent most of my time out inthe woods. That was sort of my
rest but from all the things thatwere going on in my house at the
time, and I would always goout. I fancied myself a little bit
of a hunter, so I wouldgo out and dry to squirrel hunt,
bird hunt whatever. And at twelve, I went out in the woods one
day during the summer. I thinkit was the summer before I turned thirteen.

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My birthdays in December, so Iwould have been twelve, and I
went out into the woods that I'dbeen out in so many times. And
we rented this small little house fromthe landlord and there was big fields and
nothing but just pine, thickets andwoods. Every I loved it. I
was in heaven and I was outin these woods one day, and I've
been out there tons of times.I wasn't afraid of anything as a kid,

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and I was out doing my thingin the middle of the day,
and I just got that feeling.You know, you've talked to enough people
that shared their big foot encounters,and some of them mentioned that feeling,
you know, the hair on theback of your neck stands up, the
hair on your arms stands up.That's exactly what happened to me. And
the first thing I remember thinking isI'm not supposed to be here. I've
got to get out of here.And the next thing that happened was I

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heard grub some growls, I heardsome huffs, and something very large was
moving just out of my vision,maybe ten to fifteen feet away in the
woodline, and I just froze andit got louder. It sounded like it
was getting pissed off, and whatI'd recognize now was probably a bluff charge

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and stopped maybe ten feet away,just on the other side of the thicket,
so I couldn't see in to seewhat it was, and I was
gone. I was out, youknow, fight or flight kicked in.
It was no longer time to standthere. I've said it before, I
felt like it at the time itwas going on. I felt like my
legs were just sort of sunk intothe ground and I couldn't move. And
once that thing got close enough andI really the fear kicked in. I

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just turned tail and I ran probablysix or seven hundred yards back to the
house, jumped over the fence andlanded in my yard, and I was
like, Okay, I'm safe,right, But I didn't go to I
didn't go back in the woods forprobably six or eight months after that.
I still, even when I'm thinkingabout it now, I sort of get
that feeling, you know, ofbeing back there. But whatever it was

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terrified me, and I still don'tknow what it was. I didn't see
it, you know. I've alwayssort of equated it to a possible sasquatch
encounter because of what I've heard fromso many people I've interviewed on the show
over the last couple of years.But again, I can't say you know.
I've had people, you know,I even had one guy that had
me as a guest on the showsaying, maybe maybe it was something demonic
that was happening in your house thatfollowed you into the woods. Okay,

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could be, I don't know.Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. We'll be rightback after these messages. That experience really
lit the fire that was already there. I was already interested in cryptids.
I was interested in the Lockness Monster. I sort of that was my escape

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into, you know, out ofthe reality of being a poor kid that
was having, you know, parentalissues and divorce in the house and all
kinds of things that was going onin my life at that time. Plus
I was twelve years old, youknow. So I don't know what it
is. I still don't to thisday. I can't say definitively what it
was. But now, knowing thethings that I know and the research that

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I've done, I think it mighthave been an encounter with a sasquatch.
It's funny how people how your whateverbackground you come from, like totally it
gives you filters for how you viewthings, Like like, uh, someone
from like Montown. I think,oh, it's a grizzly bearer. You
know that someone from Georgia would belike, you know, in a religious
house. It was like, it'sdemonic. You know, it's close your

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perception of things quite a bit,how you interpret things out there. That's
a very good point. I justinterviewed a lady Bobo that I had on
the show last year. I actuallymet her at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference
year before last, and she washaving issues with sasquatch on her property to
the point where her and her husbandmoved to last year and she just reached

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out to me again and they movedinto another state and she claims to be
having these issues again. And whatshe was describing to me sounded more like
she may be living in a hauntedhouse versus having sasquatch activity. So again,
I'm not a demonologist. I don'teven play one on television, but
that was sort of the thing thatyou know, through that lens I was

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telling her during the interview, itsounds like you may be experiencing something outside
of Bigfoot. But you're right thatin sort of you know, I grew
up in the church and that wasanytime that anything like that happened to people
in and around that area, becauseI would hear stories. My great grandmother
and my great grandfather was telling mestories about these gen sing hunters that were
being ran off the mountain and sometimesthey called them devils or mountain devils or

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whatever. So it was this thatsort of lens that in the southern Baptist
area that I lived in is howpeople saw that. But you know,
in retrospect, knowing what I knownow, I believe it was possibly a
big foot. I don't know,Yeah, I mean this has been thought
for a long time that you know, settlers and whatnot running across sasquatches or
whether they saw them or not,they would be very frightened at whatever it

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is, just like you were asyoung as young boy there and of course
they'd come back and say this thingI saw this saying red eyes or yelled
at me or I felt crazy,it felt weird, and you know,
or it was an eight foot hairything. The local folks, you know,
would say, oh, that's that'sthe devil, that's a demon,
and the automatically go to the superstition, the superstitious explanations, rather than some

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sort of animal, which which thesethings are anyway, So that doesn't surprise
me at all that it's kind oflike what you were saying. It was
like, well, that lady maynot have sasquatches, maybe something else going
on. It goes the other waytoo, that's a two way street.
That's what made me think of that. Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree.
So you mentioned that your house washaunted. This is Bigfoot and beyond,

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and despite what people think of me, I am interested in ghost stories.
I don't don't I'm not going toresearch that stuff, and my life
is full of Bigfoot. But whatwas going on in your house at the
time, Well, it was reallystrange things. I've talked about this on
the other shows before, and I'malmost leary to say it, but I
was hearing voices in the house.That's kind of how it started, the
same voices. Could you recognize him? No, it was very I don't

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know how to describe it other thandemonic sounding. You know. It was
like that whisper. You know,you can hear the whisper, but you
can't ever make out what it's sayingto you. And I was hearing scratching
on the walls and banging inside thewalls, and we had very thin walls.
Like where my bedroom was, theback window faced out to the woods,
and there was nothing out there onthe other side. There wasn't,

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you know, like another room thatthis could be happening in, right,
But I was starting to hear thosethings, and a couple of times I
woke up to a dark figure standingover my bed. And I've done a
lot of research on this. Youknow, I'm one of those Okham's razor
kind of guys. I'm no nonsense, it's show me the evidence kind of
you know. My cop brain kicksin and I say, could it have

(23:26):
been night terrors? Sure, itcertainly could have been in retrospect, but
it didn't feel like it. AndI still have this moment where I'm pretty
sure that what I was seeing wasreal because I was awake. Like I
would wake up see this thing,it would move off, and then I
would end up grabbing some covers andgoing into my parents' bedroom and sleeping on

(23:47):
their floor. I mean this wenton for months. They would wake up
and find me at the foot oftheir bed, sleeping in the room because
I wouldn't sleep in my room.So and like I said, there was
a lot of things going on thatwas sort of if you're into that sort
of thing and you do any cursoryresearch, you know, they say,
you know, pre pubescent boys,which I was twelve thirteen. There was,

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you know, a lot of turmoilgoing on in the house. My
parents were going through issues. Mydad was dealing with drugs and alcohol abuse,
and there was just this whole,like just tumultuous thing going on.
And you know, I don't know, they say that that kind of energy
may thrive on that stuff. Idon't know, but my dad also I
figured out later. Again, nowkeep in mind, this guy liked alcohol

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and he was on downers most ofthe time, so I take this with
a grain of salt. But hewas also he confided in my mom later
on that he would be there sometimesby himself when she would be gone,
I'd be at school, whatever,and he was having interactions with something where
he would hear voices and things likethat. So I wasn't the only one
that was experiencing this kind of stuff. And we had the history of the
people that lived in the house thatwas kind of well known. In a

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very small town like our town waslike this literally a caution light. That
was it. Caution light in acouple of stops signs, and that was
it. So everybody knew everybody's business. And these guys were pretty well known
as as far as dabbling in thatkind of stuff. And they lived in
the house for a couple of yearsbefore we got there, So I don't
know, but that was, youknow, this weird, weird stuff going

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on. And then you know,once we moved out of the house after
a couple of years, it stopped. It didn't follow me. So I
don't know. Wold. Well,I guess we can all be thankful that
most of us can be thankful that'snot happening to us. Yeah, it's
not a good thing, that's forsure. Boy, I gotta ask you
said you were having bands and stufflike that. What kind of music do
you like? I know it's aside thing, but I gotta know,
I love all kinds of music,but I love country music. I was

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born and raised on country music.I sang country music. Still do like
the classic like the good stuff,the classic stuff or the new stuff.
I just made a bunch of enemiesby the way out there, but I
did it on purpose. So well, I'm probably going to join you in
that because I don't get into alot of the new country stuff. It's
horrible. Yeah, I'm definitely likeJohnny Cash old school. You know.
I did listen to Garth Brooks,you know, at Garth Brooks. I

(26:00):
was a huge fan of Garth whenhe came out. But you know,
Alan Jackson, just the old schoolcountry is. Charlie Daniel's band was some
of my favorite stuff growing up.Hank Williams Junior, Hank Williams Senior.
But music, you know things,I was doing that at sixteen, and
you know, I almost signed arecord deal when I was sixteen. But
you know, life happens. LikeI said, we were poor, so

(26:21):
I had to go to work.It's always about work and helping my mom.
What's my dad and my mom divorced. I was at work most of
the time. So music sort offell by the wayside, and I've only
gotten back into it, you know, in my adult life. I got
to go to Tennessee about six oreight years ago, and I did a
small album, like a little EPalbum, and had had some really good
times up there. But I don'tget to do music as much as I

(26:45):
would love to because I'm constantly podcastingat this point. There we were on
the air, and when we wereon that radio and Nashville, when we
were doing that talking to witnesses onthe nash and I was talking tons of
smack about new country, how lamit was, and I said, like,
I think, like George, whatwas that Georgia state line or Florida
state line or whatever. Georgia saidthose guys and like lady Anna Bella,

(27:07):
and I'm like, I can't standthat stuff. And yeah, they said
they got a couple of calls onlike screw that guy. I remember the
operators, they got some calls likethat. I remember one of your first
comments about you meeting Derek Randalls,like I don't know about this guy with
the big truck listening to modern country, but it turns out he's Okay,
of course you drive a big truck. Anyway, Let's get back to the

(27:30):
big foot things. So you boughtthis property with forty acres of property and
hopes that sasquatches maybe around there,and it turns out they are. You
showed me some very impressive sasquatch footprints. As far as I can tell tell
us about the activity that's been onor near your property that you're aware of.
Yeah, the weirdest thing is whenwe came up here for we came

(27:51):
up from a from Georgia for aone day land sale and we weren't even
expecting to buy anything. We've justseen the property online and had some you
know, they did some drone shotsthat made it look all pretty and great
and fabulous, and we came upand we fell in love with the property
that we initially bought that day.We bought the first twenty acres on the
first day, and we didn't getup here for a couple of years.

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After that. We'd make trips backand forth, and we had an old
Volkswagen van Volkswagen bus sorry Volkswagen busthat we would camp in and just enjoy
the property. And then the propertynext to us came open and we bought
another twenty acres and we finally gotup here. I guess it was around
twenty nineteen. Maybe we were fancyingourselves that we were going to build our

(28:40):
own house, or at least convertour own house. So we found a
local place here that had a it'sbasically a shit It's like forty feet long
and about fourteen feet wide with abig sleeping loft in it, and we
were going to live off grid andconvert this into our house. Well,
we did live off grid here forabout a year and a half with nothing
but solar, no running water.It was one of the best years of

(29:03):
my life. I loved it,but I'm not a carpenter. We didn't
have the skills to do that.So we eventually found a place here locally
that would build us a tiny house. So we had a four hundred square
foot tiny house built, and weeventually got up here full time just a
couple of years ago. And duringthe trips that we would take, we
would go out and do night hikesand we would spend a couple of days
on the property, but were neverhere for an extended amount of time.

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And even the year that we livedoff grid, I heard some weird things
in the woods, but it wasn'tanything that really stood out to me as
possible Bigfoot activity. That didn't startliterally until about two years ago. And
the first time that had happened,we had a hot tub right off of
our deck and we were out.You know, it's like midnight and it's
like a cool fall evening you know, fifty degrees. We're in the hot

(29:48):
tub having a glass of wine andI hear what sounds like the Ohio howel
like on the ridge behind us.Now we're surrounded by nothing but land.
There's no neighbors than a half amile of us, and behind us is
another two hundred and fifty to threehundred acres of just woods that is over
the ridge behind where our property stops. And that's where the sound was coming

(30:11):
from. And I'm like, thatis really strange. Did you don't know
how it was at the time.I did. I'd heard it. I'd
heard it because I'd started the showat this point and I'd done some research
and I'd heard that on the internetwhatever. I'd looked it up and heard
some of the sounds I'd had runmore hit on. We'd talked about the
Sierra sounds, and I'd had somefolks here from the Yure National Forest nearby

(30:33):
who had recorded. Julie Ranch hadrecorded a bunch of things, and nothing
really sounded like that. But itdid sound closer to the Ohio how than
anything i'd heard, and it wasreally far off there, right, It
was probably a mile mile and ahalf away, So that happened a couple
of times, and I just kindof chalked it up to, you know,
that's weird. You know, itcould have been a maybe it was

(30:55):
a coyote, maybe as a wolf. I don't know, but I had
done in episode of the show.I'd had an interview one night and it
was pretty late and we're up inthe loft getting ready winded down and writing
down some show notes whatever. It'sabout fifty degrees outside, so we slept
with the windows open, and Iopened up all the windows around the bed
and just chilling, and probably fiftyyards into the woods next to the house,

(31:21):
I hear what sounds like the Ohio, Ohio with a bark on the
end, like this little or atthe end. I'm not gonna lie,
like it really scared me and Ifelt it. I mean it was so
loud we felt it. It hadto be forty fifty yards away. And
like, did you hear that?Yeah? I heard that. What do
you think that was? I don'tknow, what do you think? You

(31:41):
know? So we're going through thisand again a man comes razor right,
I'm like, you know, it'sprobably you know, I don't know.
I didn't know what it was.So that was really the closest thing that
happened. And then we didn't haveany activity for a while. You know,
I was talking to Doug. I'dcalled Doug Hichecks some and I'd tell
him about some of the things thatwere going on, and he's likely if
you heard wood knocks, No,do you have property? Do you have

(32:02):
water on your property? Yes,there's two creeks that runs the entire length
of the property. We start goingdown, you know, and he's like,
it sounds like you may have someactivity and I'm like, yeah,
I don't know. I haven't seenanything, you know. So fast forward,
just like literally a month ago,I had taken some time off from
the show and we went on ahike and went to a different area of

(32:25):
the property that we had never hikedbefore. And I wasn't even going to
take my phone. I was literallyjust doing nothing big foot. It was
just get out in the woods,clear my mind, and it was just
Danny and I getting out into thewoods, getting away. Yeah, so
I didn't want to bring my phoneout, but I eventually grabbed it before
we went out into the woods,and I'm glad I did because we really

(32:45):
started finding some weird stuff. Iwas finding what looked like structures and just
weird things that were kind of stickingout to me. And I get to
this certain point where this a littledry creek bed had a little bit of
water in it, still standing,and I went to cross over it and
I looked down and I see whatlooks like this footprint, And it immediately
jumped out to me like, oh, it's paradolia, right, It's just

(33:07):
it looks like a footprint the waythe waters glistening or whatever. So I
stopped, I'm gonna that'll be acool picture. I'm gonna take my picture,
take my phone out and take apicture of it. And I did.
And as I got down to takethe picture, I got closer and
I saw what looked like five toes. And then I looked closer and it
looked like the toes had sunk ina little further in the front than what

(33:28):
looked like the back of the foot. And so I snapped a couple of
more pictures, and then he waslike, let's move on, let's go.
So I just moved on from it, and then we went on and
found I took a bunch of picturesthat day of full crumb type structures and
things that just stuck out to mein the wood. So and I really
didn't think much about the footprint untilI got back and I sent it to
a couple of people I sent it. I texted it to Doug high Check

(33:50):
and he looked at it and hesaid, dude, that looks like a
footprint. I'm like, well,And then it started raining because we'd had
rained up before that, so itrained for like three more days. I
couldn't get back to it to castit. I knew it was gone,
but at least I had the coupleof pictures I had taken of it.
And then just I don't know,maybe two days after that. I'd never
heard a tree knock on the propertyor anything that you'd resembled a tree knock.

(34:15):
And I got up at like threein the morning to go out on
the porch and do what guys dowho live in the woods at three in
the morning, and I hear whatsounds like four power knocks back up on
top of the ridge behind the house. Three in the morning. In Lenor,
North Carolina, there's nobody up doingconstruction, and they roll up the
sidewalks in downtown so I don't knowwhat it could have been. It sounded

(34:37):
to me like, like I said, what people describe as power knocks,
and then I don't know. Wepassed forward to about a week and a
half after that. I'm walking thedogs around our regular trail around the property
and a trail that we had walkedjust the night before after their evening feeding.
There looked like smack dab in themiddle of this muddy spot was a

(35:00):
footprint, just one. There wasonly one, the proverbial one footprint,
So you know, I casted itand the cast turned out pretty well.
I was actually going to try tobring it to Idaho for you to look
at Cliff and Meldrum to take alook at when we were out there,
but I put it out on myporch to dry, and I don't know,
two days into the drying process,it's in a box sitting outside on

(35:22):
the porch. One of our chickensflies up on the porch and knocks the
box over and cracks it in threeplaces. So it's been a comedy of
ears. But I did put itback together because I'm going to try to
make up sort of a reproduction ofit with a mother mold. But it's
definitely got five toes and it's aboutfourteen inches long and about seven and a
half inches wide at its widest point. So I don't know. Stay tuned

(35:46):
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliffand Bobo. We'll be right back after
these messages. Literally on Monday,I had some neighbors that are about a
half a mile away invited us overfor a hike because they were in town
for the holiday. So we goover and we've never hiked their property before.

(36:07):
They have. I think it's tenacres that goes up to the back
of the ridge on the other sideof our road, and I find some
of the strangest structures and weird benttrees and a big teepee structure. I
posted it on my Sasquatch Odo seeInstagram for folks to take a look at
if you want to look at that. I've never seen anything like it,

(36:30):
and it's clearly not a natural occurrence. Something has put those things in that
it looks like a tepee around thisbig tree. Did you find a turtle
shell or something? I did?Actually, yeah, I'm glad you said
that. I kind of skipped overthat, but that was one of the
first things that happened is along thatpath where we walk the dogs. That's

(36:52):
the first thing that happened was thisbleached white turtle shell is upside down and
stuck into the side of this oldrotting cedar log It's a cedar stump,
and it it started the whole ballrolling with me trying to gift, which
I've never really kind of given toomuch credit, honestly, I just I

(37:14):
don't know about the whole gifting thing, but you know, I had some
things, take a couple of jarsa sunbutter off the stump and never had
anything left there, but things havebeen taken. But we have some really
big raccoons here, so it wasmore than likely a raccoon. But yeah,
that was sort of the first thingthat happened. And then you know
the footprints that I was back upon the ridge casting yesterday. So the

(37:37):
cast didn't turn out too great,It wasn't very The substrate here is really
hard, it hasn't rained and probablya week and a half so just for
there to be an imprint of whatlooks like a huge toe in one of
the prints. And this was aseries of two that I found going down
the side of this ridge and castingon an incline was not easy to do
yesterday, but I did get acouple of casts of those. And that's

(38:00):
like I said, it's about halfa mile away from my property. So
I don't know some interesting things.Man, I never say definitively, you
know it is what it is,but I don't know it's weird stuff.
Well, it seems like this isa good time to interject that idea that
I've brought up a few times onthe podcast, and it's just something to
remind ourselves, as you know bigfootaficionados, is that the casts very often

(38:22):
don't turn out. That's why I'mreally emphasizing everybody not only documents their fines
or possible footbard fines with casts,but also with photographs. Over the years,
I find that sometimes they photograph farbetter than they turn out in the
cast, and then vice versa.Sometimes you can't see what's going on in
the photograph or even with your eyesat the time, but you know something's

(38:44):
there. You pour plaster and itkind of comes to light in a way.
And like the data also, it'salmost like the data is skewed by
all these wonderful photographs and casts.That other people have obtained over the years,
you know, the Patterson stuff orthe tipmus stuff, or the Freeman's
stuff for the Shay stuff. Likeall these researchers who have been out and
casting the best prints they could find, makes us think that our footprint casts

(39:07):
should also look like that, butthey simply don't. If you're out there
doing your diligent work as a researcherand casting examples of every track way you
find and choosing the best ones outof that or the worst ones out of
that, whicheverone might show the mostinformation and insight into the way that these
things walk around, you're going tohave a lot of ugly casts in your

(39:27):
collection, casts that, as Isay, only a mother can love.
So for you, Brian, anybodyelse listening, is I don't beat yourself
up about not having a good lookingcast, because most casts aren't going to
look good if they're real. Youknow, that's something we need to remember.
The photographs in the books and whatwe see online and things like that,

(39:50):
they skew our perception of what thefootprint cast will eventually look like.
So good on you for collecting theugly ones too well. I appreciate that
because I've for the ugliest cast thatI think I've ever seen in my life
taken, but they're staying in mycollection. They are I say it all
the time on my show. Everythingis data. So I want to create
as much data as I possibly can, because you know, we may look

(40:13):
back on it in a year ortwo or five and say, Wow,
I'm glad I did that. SoI'm going to continue to collect whatever I
find. Oh yeah, I meanthe information from the nineteen sixties and Bluff
Creek. Some of that information hasbeen looked at very closely in the last
twenty years, and things have beenlearned about those casts, for example,
or the Freeman stuff. You know, a lot of those the stuff that

(40:34):
Freeman was collecting, he didn't recognizethat he was casting the same individuals,
and neither did West Summerlin or GroverCrans for that matter. Grover actually had
suspicions about some of it. Butthey give they gave different names to different
creatures, and some of those names, like Earl, for example, is
a name that they gave to oneof these creatures that they continually cast,
that is rinklefoot, and they gavethat an animal a different name. So
wrinklefoot is earl at which who isthe what do they call the buckskin individual?

(41:00):
That's what West Summerland called him.Yeah, so all these animals who
they thought were different creatures were actuallythe same individual being seen again and again
over time. So that's the greatthing about data. It doesn't go away
once you collect it. Once youhave it, it's there forever and it
could be analyzed with new eyes asnew information comes to light. So you're

(41:20):
absolutely right in that perspective. Soa lot of stuf's been going on on
your property or near your property.I guess have you gotten to other parts
of the country and done any research, and if so, what have you
found interesting and or similar or different, you know, in the various parts
of the country. I haven't gottento go out in the woods. I
did go out in the woods inTennessee last year. I went up to

(41:43):
speak at a gathering up there lastyear and we got out in the woods
that night. Didn't really find anything. Heard some really cool coyote howls and
things like that. But I'm actuallyI have the opportunity. I'm going up
in October. I'm going up toBC and the Radium area to do research
with Todd standing in the beginning ofOctober. So I'm excited about that trip.

(42:04):
I've been looking forward to that fora while, and I know he's
a very controversial figure in the bigFoot community, but I'm looking forward to
that trip because i want to getup there's I've interviewed tons of people who
have been on expeditions with Todd andsome of the things that they're claiming to
find is phenomenal, you know.And I've actually had Todd on the show
and talked about that as well.But I've always had issues. I've been

(42:25):
very forthcoming about my issues with hisvideos, but the footprints and the other
things that have been found up there, you know. And I even got
to talk to doctor Meldron when wewere in Idaho about his time up there,
and some of the things that hesaw convinced him that it's it's very
possible there's some activity going on.So I'm definitely looking forward to that trip
in October. He's a great spot. There's definitely squatches there. Yeah.

(42:49):
Ken Walker. I think told Bendernoggleabout if it's the same spot ken Walker,
who we've had on the show thattaxit are the same, Yeah,
heard about this spot from one ofhis trappers, and then he told Bendernoggle.
Benner Nouggles told Standing when Standing,I guess approached him, I guess
this is how I've heard it happened. I don't know if that's true or
not about the spot. So they'reworking a good spot. It's just you

(43:09):
know, we had we had ToddStanding on the show on the Finding big
Foot. I don't think his filmsare real. I mean just my opinion,
of course, but but he wasa very nice guy. I'll give
him that. Like, I'd likethe guy the individual. I just didn't
think, like those those space shotsare real or anything like that. But
who knows. You know, ifhe's working a spot and getting good results,

(43:30):
you know, fine with me.I'd like to see some of the
footprint cast, so those would bemost convincing. Yeah, I'm definitely going
to try to take some casting material. I've got some audio stuff i'm gonna
take for the trip, and I'mgonna try to get some videos and do
some interviews while i'm there with Ithink it's just going to be me and
Todd and maybe Kyle that go out, So there's only going to be a
small number of us, so there'snot gonna be a whole lot going on

(43:50):
other than what we're doing. SoI'm definitely looking forward to it. So
you've had him on the show acouple of times or once at least,
right, Yes, yeah, yeah, generally nice guy, right or he
certainly puts forth a good face.I'll say that, like he sings sings
of good songs. He seems toknow something about sasquatch behavior or in general.

(44:10):
So what has he been doing lately? I've I haven't heard anything since
like he put out you know thatthing with Meldrum and bender Noggle is.
So he's running trips now, isthat right? Yeah, he's been.
He's been doing that for a while, and he's he's working on a second
documentary. I know they've been filmingfor that for quite a while. I
don't know when that's supposed to comeout, but I know he's been putting

(44:31):
that together at least that's what hetold me for quite some time. And
he is doing you know, duringthe summer, he's doing quite a few
expeditions pretty much a couple of months. I think that he has a ton
of people going out with him,so you know, again, I'm with
you. I had him on theshow. Very nice guy, you know,
I just don't believe the videos arereal. And the only reason he

(44:53):
came on my show, because I'vecalled him out as a hoax or for
years, was me having less Strouton the show once I had survived overman
On and we actually talked about Toddbecause he had spent time with Todd in
his research area. Then Todd decidedhe would come on the show, and
to his credit, he defended himselfand he answered the questions that I had.
I had some tough questions about it. I think the thing for me

(45:14):
with his films has always been whathappened before that, what happened after that,
what happened leading up to that,And I'm certainly wanting to have that
conversation with him face to face.You know, he may tell me to
go pound Sam, but I'm definitelygoing to ask the questions when I get
up there, because I would lovefor them to be real. I'm just
not sure that they are. ButI've never doubted that he's had experiences and
that he's in an area. Itoo, have had Ken Walker on the

(45:36):
show, and Ken had talked aboutthat area and all the sightings that have
happened in that area. So Ibelieve just like you and Bobbo said,
I think he's in a great area. I think he's probably having and maybe
even continues to have experiences. I'mjust not sure. You know about the
videos that he purports to be Sasquatch. When I met him, I'm fighting
Bigfoot. He invited me to goto a spot with him, but he

(45:58):
also told me that in order toget there, I have to crawl through
ice cold water wearing a gilly suitfor three days in order to get there,
which seemed like a really nice wayto make sure I wouldn't do it.
But yeah, that's just my takeon it. Maybe he's right,
Maybe that's what you have to do, and that's why I happened to.
You know, I have better results, I guess, but I don't know.
If I hope you get some goodstuff. It would be nice to

(46:19):
see some good evidence come out ofany of these areas. Certainly, and
god knows, we get asked aboutTodd Standing all the time. So but
you know, if you want toknow what we think about Todd Standing,
you can watch the Finding big Footepisode that he's on. Well, Brian,
you have God, you have morepodcasts than I would wish upon anybody.
You must have heard just some crazystories. I mean, especially in

(46:40):
the true the True Crime podcast andWeird Encounters. I mean that kind of
says it all. That says everythingyou need to know about the podcast.
You must have had some ridiculous stories. If you can, you stick around
for a member section so we canhear some of these ridiculous Well, and
when I say ridiculous, I meanlike wild out there sort of story,

(47:00):
not only about Sasquatches, but anythingelse that you've been running across. But
whether it's a paranormal strange activity ortrue crime stuff or whatever. If you
don't wouldn't mind sticking around for amember section, It would really really appreciate
it. And we'll record that next. But in the meantime, Brian,
where can people find you? Imean, go up, This is your
time to shout your podcast for themountaintop. And websites are in you know,

(47:22):
social media or whatever you want.Yeah, you can get Sasquatch Odyssey
anywhere you're listening to this podcast,Apple Podcasts, Spotify, you name it,
it's there. All you got todo is punch in Sasquatch Odyssey,
it'll pop up. You can headover to our website Paranormal World Productions dot
com. You can see all theshows there. Check out all the host
of the various shows. I'm notthe only one on the network. Like

(47:43):
I said, we are at ofa couple of other podcasts that people host
that are a part of our network. So Paranormal Productions dot com and all
the socials, Sasquatch Odyssey at asSasquatch Odyssey on Instagram, as Sasquatch Odyssey
podcast on TikTok, and we havea Squatch Odyssey podcast YouTube channel as well
that I post stuff over. Sothat's about it. That's where anywhere you

(48:07):
get podcasts, you could listen tothe show. We put out a show.
I'm doing three shows a week nowtypically, so tons of things.
I think we're about three hundred andforty or so episodes into the show.
Okay, and a lot of thoselinks are going to be in our show
notes below for those people listening,ben us click on that stuff. Matt
Prut makes it easy for you,all right. Well, with that,
Brian, thanks so much for comingon Big Pot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo and we'll stand the line.Of course, we're gonna go over to

(48:30):
our member section and record that forour fabulous Patreon members. We really really
appreciate your time, Brian, thankyou, Yeah, thanks, bye,
I appreciate you all right, Ifyou do want to become a member,
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right. I'm not a member,but Bobo is. That's how good it
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So yeah, if you want tolisten to an extra forty five minutes or

(48:51):
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(49:15):
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(49:59):
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