Ep. 233 - The Bauman Story

Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay catch up about recent happenings in the realm of sasquatchery, including the Colorado train video that's been getting so much attention! They also do a deep dive into the infamous Bauman story as described by Teddy Roosevelt in his book "The Wilderness Hunter."

Read the Bauman story here: http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/bauman.htm

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Episode Transcript

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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff andBobo. These guys are your favorites,
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today and listening watching limb always keepits watching. And now your hosts Cliff

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Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Goodmorning, Bobo, how you doing?
Man doing okay doing okay? Goodnight Resk, beautiful sunny day. I'm
looking forward to podcast today. It'sgonna be a fun one. And of
course afterwards I get a couple hoursoff and then tonight. This is kind
of fun. We know how themuseum does. The NABC does a membership

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videos for our members, right,Yeah, we do two a month and
they're always like our field research ordeep dives into pieces of evidence or stuff
like that. Except for the Halloweenone. We released one in the mid
part of the month, you know, the fifteenth or whatever approximately, and
then the last day of the month. And of course the last day of
this month is Halloween. It's abig time of year around the Barrackman household.

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As you can imagine, Well,this is going nuts. That's how
I talked to you. There's abunch of heads. Yeah, there's a
lot of severed heads going around,a lot of pumpkins. She figured out
she can skull pumpkins out of sprayfoam, so we got a few dozen
of those lining around the living room. There's a really big ones. There's
like a three and a half fourfoot tall one taking up a lot of
space in the living room right now. And then she figured she made some

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sort of like bubbling lava sort ofthing with skulls in it that she found
a way to back light. Lookspretty cool. Actually, she's doing great
stuff and anyway, blah blah blahblah, but anyway, Yeah, it's
Halloween season. So the last videoof this month for the n ABC,
just for fun, we're gonna doa ghost hunt, you know, and
like all our ghost hunters and allthat sort of stuff at the Bigfoot Museum,

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because everybody who works at the BigfootMuseum except for me, has had
weird stuff happened there and they're allconvinced that it is haunted. So that's
gonna be a lot of fun.So I'm filming that tonight. I've never
done a ghost hunt before, butMelissa has. She's actually gotten some pictures
of some weird things too out thereand her various ghost hunts had it in
some big prison in Pennsylvania somewhere.I don't remember where it was. And

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of course we have a lot ofghost friends, you know that, all
the people and all those ghost showsand stuff. We know a lot of
those folks. So we're gonna kindof do a ghost hunt. And you
know, I'm not expecting to getmuch, but I'm that kind of curmudgeon
that wouldn't be expecting to get thatmuch. But everybody else is all fired
up about it, and so I'mlooking forward to that tonight. Can I
do something new? Yeah, it'dbe cool. Have you ever done a

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ghost hunt? Bobs? That onewith Nick Groff on the Queen Mary?
Oh, that's right. I wason that one too. I wasn't impressed
with that one. I hate tosay it. Nick Groff's a good guy,
but yeah, I wasn't that impressedwith that. When the Pandora's Box
came through or Pandora Radio, well, yeah, one of those what do
they call it, is that aghost box? Is that what they call
those ghost box? Yeah? Likerandom radio waves coming through and it's like,

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you know, there's no way thata ghost that died in the eighteen
hundreds, is gonna say something aboutSoundCloud or whatever or whatever it was.
You know that one didn't ever alreadylifted up the microphone like he'd like swipe
it around across the surface at thetable a little bit and go, and
everyone be like that's a ghost,and I was like, dang, this
is pretty bad. Yeah, it'slike the Victorian era seances or something,

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you know, or they're just pullingthe wool over people. I don't know,
I don't know. I wasn't impressedwith that particular one. But man,
ghosts happen. Real ghosts happen.I mean a lot of people might
be shocked to hear cliffs say somethinglike that, but yeah, I've had
some ghost things happen, and I'dbe more than happy to never have them
happen again. It was gross,those hormid places. I mean, I
know some of those places are hot. And you said, I've ever gotten
go something like just that one time, But I've gone like with you know,

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growing up, I went to plentyof haunted houses and haunted places,
you know, and never had anythinghappen. But I just I just never
really cared that much about their ghosting. It's like, I know they're real,
I just don't want to mess withthe other like just people that are
stuck somewhere, like talking about theirsoul trapped or whatever whatever it is.
Or there's some kind of entity youjust met pretending to be there's somebody,
and so I just don't want tomention it either way. Yeah, it

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seems like a kind of a dangerousthing to do. But then again,
maybe they're I don't know, whoknows. Maybe it's just us talking to
our back of our own head sortof thing. Who knows what's going on?
I certainly don't. Well, that'sthe theme of today's podcast anyway,
I think. I mean, ifyou haven't caught on yet, listeners,
we're talking about spooky stuff. Butwe're gonna get into the Bigfoot spooky stuff
in just a few minutes. Sowe have a few things I want to
talk about before we jump into theregular part of the episode. I heard

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a squatch two nights ago. Thatwas what I was going to ask next.
So you were out in the woods. I think your plan was to
go to Bluff Creek. Tell meabout your trip. I don't know if
you made it there. I don'tknow what the fire situation was. I
don't know the road situation, whathappened, because that was the first order
of business I want to talk toyou about before we jump into the episode.
Yeah, so another with Pod Pizzais a guess. His cousin in
law Chris, and we went outthere and, uh, we're just getting

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out for a quick two night trip, you know, three days, two
nights. We went up to itsaid seventeen percent chance of scatter charge with
the two PM less than tenth ofan inch. It rained for like twenty
three hours out of twenty four hoursof the next out of the next twenty
four hours when supposed to be scotchars, it rained for twenty three of
those hours. We couldn't go anywherein the bluff Cak drainage at all.

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It was all blocked off because ofthe fire camp. Even though it was
it's pretty knockdown. We wanted togo see what the PG Seit was still
there, but we were just like, so we said screw it. So
we just went up up the SalmonRiver and we just took a turn off
of both the Salmon went up inthere and there was a place I knew
about up kind of high. Wewent up there and it's a good spike
can call down into a couple ofdifferent drainages. But we didn't camp right

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we were the good calling spot waswe had a camp further down and we
camped out there. We went backand did some calls and it ended up
being further than I thought. Itwas probably like three miles from camp.
Four miles from camp at least.I was like, that's kind of far
for them. Like two calls andgo back to camp. That's what we
ended up doing. There had beenabout a half hour break in the rain.
We had a couple of breaks,like twenty thirty minutes and you know

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in that whole time, and Iwent out and did calls during that time
and then came back and we werehanging out for probably a couple of hours.
We went to bed, like twelvethirty or something like that, and
those guys were in bed already andI was I was up getting ready to
go back in my tent, andit was you know, there was we
were under the tree. So there'sthese big drops coming down, you know,
like those big plops like plus therain, they got the big drips

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off the all the needles, anduh, you know, I was cent
there. There was kind of likea little there was a there was a
real light spring, like a reallight drizzle. At that point, it
wasn't too loud, and I justsaid this ooh, like I can't.
It was like a yell that wentinto like almost like a yodl, but
it didn't yeoldle but like that yeolldokind of tone. I was like,

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what the hell was that? AndI was like, cause I was kind
of hearing it. We were talking. I was like those guys going to
we'll see guys in the morning whatever, and you know, just kind of
joking around. I was hearing somethingthe distance, but I was kind of
not focused on it. And thenI was like, wait a minute.
I was like wait, quiet,quiet, And then I just hear it
again and it was a different call. All three were different. I heard

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three. I heard the second onereal clear. The third one I heard
clear too. They were distant,but they were they didn't you get that
thing like that. It's just superpowerful at the point of wherever it was,
but you didn't. You were kindof far away, but you could
tell it was like loud and powerful. This didn't sound like that. It
sounded like it sounded like it couldhave been like human size or something or

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maybe you know, bigger, butdidn't see like one of those giant roaring
just booming. But it definitely answered, and I was calling back to it.
I thought I heard something once,so I couldn't tell what it was
if it was the same thing.And then I was like, I better
shut upcause I did Like that waslike I already done like three or four
calls at that point, and Iwas like, I think I did four,
and I was like on the fourthone, I was like, oh,

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I was dumb, my shit shutup when I was ahead. Then
we don't know if we don't thinkanything came in the camp, because its
probably picked up like a target tenor something like that, or you know,
came out or whatever. And uh, he forgot his kid. His
kid went to like some music vesselor something took his sleeping path and didn't
put it back, So we hadno paths sleeping this like chunky like target

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tent and it just kept pouring andpouring, and so his tent flooded and
he was laying on the ground wet. So he sat by the fire for
the whole night pretty much, sohe didn't he didn't notice anything come in.
I was I didn't sleep much eitherthat night after I heard that,
I was like, I was alljacked up. But it never came in
that we know of. Is therea history of activity in this particular area
where the thing was? We werelike, uh, we're you know,

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we're Salmon River by SOM's Bar andall that. Yeah, but you mentioned
that you knew this spot that youheaded towards. That is that why you
went to that spot because of somestuff that had happened before, or is
a good camping area or yeah,yeah, it's her stuff there a couple
of times, I mean not alot. I mean, dude, it
was a shot in the dark.Like we I wasn't planning on going there.
Todd and Doug got those guys wehad on from the Bluff Creek snow

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prints. They were out kind ofthat general area three weeks ago, I
guess now, and they found printsout there and they got a cast to
one. So we weren't that exactspot, but we were out in that
kind of that vicinity, you know, than like five eight miles. But
I mean it was just it wasraining the whole night, whole day,
and I was just like, thisis you know, this isn't it's not

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going to do anything. And thenwhere I did the calls was the calls
came from the exact opposite direction,so I didn't hear us. It wasn't
responding to my calls. It wasjust doing the spontaneous No I did I
take it back. I did onecall to the north, one call to
the south back in camp. Thenafter that, like, uh, I
don't know how long it was afterthat, that's but it was, you
know, a good twenty minutes ora half hour later that I heard the

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reply or I don't know if itwas a reply, for it was just
doing spontaneously. But yeah, Iwas like it was so you know,
I mean I can hear it distinctlythat it was. You know, it
wasn't very loud, it was distant, but it was still. I got
super jacked up, and I wasbump because those guys haven't heard anything,
they haven't had any experiences yet.Well that's cool. I'm glad you got
out, man. I'm glad yougot out me too. We ended up
coming back though, after just oneday because we were so I just PAULI

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was frozen to the bone. Ihaven't been out for a night in a
long time. Unfortunately, I've donea couple day trips, been nothing overnight.
I'm going to try to sneak onein at the Bog or something.
Haven't been in the Bog at allthis this this summer. They'd work in
other spots, but some of myKeith and Nico went out there on Thursday
and for nothing. But then anotherfriend of mine got him. Alan went

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out there for Friday and Saturday,and he didn't hear anything, but something
weird happened. He didn't camp buyhis car he went, so he dropped
by his car to pick up somebeers or whatever. He was camping with
the sun. So they got asix pack whatever they did from the car
like a right before dusk on Saturday, and went you know, shared it
or whatever and enjoyed the star andmoonlight and on this stuff and the family

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outing. And then the next morningthey went back to the car. And
then sometime during the night, eventhough it was deadly silent, nothing happened.
Sometimes during the night somebody something draggeda big log from down the paved
road and onto the dirt road wherethey were parked, and then through the
log in the brush about twenty feetfrom these guys cars, and it was

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a big, big, big dragmark. Very weird. I think it
was a tree about They said itwas about fifteen inches in diameter. Wow,
very peculiar. And of course itbrings me. It brings to mind
immediately. You know that that picturefrom New Mexico where the thing is carrying
that big you know that twelve footlong log. Or we got two reports

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nearby. There was a report overby on Highway thirty five on the east
side of mounta hood by was itSherwood Campground. I think it's called a
lady saw one two summers ago,I think carrying a big ass log across
the road. Then I did anotherreport over there by Barton Barton Organ on
a place called a South Harding Road. I believe that lady saw one carrying

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a log as well. So like, what are they doing? What are
they carrying around logs for? Yeah, when I came back into town,
I was getting the most texts I'vegotten a while. I mean, when
there's like a big big foot flop, I usually get, you know,
like I'll get fifteen text saying oremail is saying have you seen this?
Have you seen this? Is thisreal? And the one I haven't got
this much attention for probably six eightmonths or maybe a year almost would be

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the Colorado train video Oh yeah yeahon my phone in social media's and blown
up because of that as well.Everybody's so hopeful to get something good.
But that wasn't it, man,That's a hoax. That's that's I think
pretty clearly a hoax in my opinion. At least you know it was Chewbacca.
It was just a Chewbacca costume modifieda little bit, wasn't it.
I don't think so. I don'tthink so. See, one of Matt

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Prutz's friends actually did some digging.No, a good friend of mine,
Jeff Smith, who's one of theco hosts of the Sasquatch Tracks podcast,
which is a group of good friendsof mine, and you know, I've
been a guest on there, Cliff'sbeen a guest on there. Jeff was
already aware of this company called SasquatchExpedition Campers that was right outside of Silverton
there, I guess technically in thisSilverton area, and so he was aware

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of this company, and he figuredout where the train video, like what
part of this particular valley or mountainside the thing was seen on. And
really I was like, oh,that's some really close proximity to this Camper
company. And so he went backto the Camper Company's website and there's a
photograph of someone basically in that suitoverlooking that same valley, and so he

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had reached out to them and said, oh, hey, you know what's
up with all this, you know, and someone from the company had messaged
him back and said something along thelines of, oh, yeah, Bigfoot
likes to make appearances around here andespecially for the train, with a little
like laughy emoji. Yeah, becauseI got another video from a train in
a while back that was way blurredthat when he couldn't see Jack. But

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I was like, well maybe,and then it looks so much like a
I didn't know which costume it wasfor sure, but I was like,
that's a costume. Well, Ithink we got the costume is the thing,
And one of my Twitter followers,I'll give the guy a shout out
here. Let me look at thething again. One of my Twitter folks
out there or x or whatever,these people are calling it nowadays, God
knows. JW. Skinner is thisguy's name. He sent me a picture

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and I think it's the same suit, because as I mentioned, you know,
I put the I think on athird in Twitter saying that's my opinion,
this is fake blah blah blah,and he wrote back it is.
We know the gentleman. They actuallydo a bigfoot train a couple times a
year, and here's the guy withthe conductor. I just texted both of
you guys the same picture. Ialso texted you a picture of a slightly

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cleaned up version of the footage.And look at the face. It's clearly
the same the same suit, clearlythe same suit. Now, I don't
know if it's the RV Place becausethe RV actually RV Place put a thing
on their social media saying it wasn'tus, and you know what, do
you believe? Yeah, but thething that they posted said it wasn't us,
And there was a pair of clippersshaving off like ostensibly sasquatch hair.

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And then the next picture is oneof the employees working on the camper,
but he still has the feet ofthe costume on like it's a it's a
wink. It's basically like a winkingadmission, or it's easy to interpret as
a winking admission. It's either thoseguys or this train thing. Because that
that mask in the picture I sentyou guys, and we'll put it on
our We'll put it on our memberssection for the members there. That mask

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clearly matches the face. It's thatsuit. It has to be Stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliffand Bobo. We'll be right back after
these messages. We're talking about TeddyRoosevelt today because it's that spooky time of
year, and so we thought,well, you know what, one of

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the scariest stories in all Bigfoot is. One of the classics is one is
the Bauman incident, which was toldby Theodore Roosevelt, now Teddy Roosevelt,
of course, former presidents and allthat jazz. He's long gone, et
cetera. I think his birthplace actuallyis a national park out there in New
York, and they're actually members ofthe North America Bigga Center of my dad.

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Kind of cool or at least theguy who one of the guys who
runs it is. So we havesome connections to the Theodore Roosevelt thing,
and the bigfoot connection is a bigone in bigfootland. Theodore Roosevelt had a
book published. I think it wasan eighteen ninety three if I remember right,
it might be a year or twooff. In eighteen ninety three,
he published a book called The WildernessHunter, and it's a lengthy book about
his adventures and all that sort ofstuff. Because he's a rather prominent outdoorsman

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back in the day, you know, So he wrote this book. It's
many hundreds of pages long, butthere's a section of it at the very
end that he basically describes not hisown, but someone else's very frightening sasquatch
encounter. Now sasquatch, that worddidn't exist. The word bigfoot then,
it certainly didn't exist. That camemuch later, but certainly sasquatches themselves did

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exist. They're perfectly normal animals.They've always been around here. And so
basically Theodore Roosevelt ran into some dudenamed Bawman who told him a story.
So we thought we'd do today incase you've never heard it, This story
is written in like I said,eighteen ninety two, eighteen ninety three was
published then, so it is wellin public domain at this point, there's

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no knowledge of this being in anycopyright or anything like that. So we
thought we'd take this opportunity to readyou the story, do a read aloud
today and then with our comments.Yeah, because Ivan Sanderson put that in
the epic book Balminle Stoemn Legend comesto Life back in nineteen sixty one.
That's when that got introduced into theworld of the Bigfoot people. So it's
been a legendary story, like oneof the classics of Bigfoot literature. Yeah,

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and of course Teddy Roosevelt having hisname associated with it is it a
certain level of credence and importance.And so we thought it would be fun
episode today to read you that excerptfrom Teddy Roosevelt's Wilderness Hunter book where the
Bauman story is contained, and we'lljust kind of riff and comment on it
because a lot of what he wroteabout has later come to light as perfectly

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normal Sasquatch behavior. This story resonatesas strongly today as it does back then,
but perhaps in a different way.Back then he described it as like
a goblin or hobgoblin story, Ithink is what he said, just a
ghosty sort of scary story told bysome old grizzled woodsman. But now when
we look at it through the lensof eight behavior and Sasquatch stuff in particular,

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it's like, oh yeah, yeah, they ran into a sasquad.
It's perfectly clear. So yeah,we thought that we would do that today
for our listeners, in celebration ofHalloween and Teddy Roosevelts and Bowman and everything
spooky that goes in Bigfoot, becausea lot of people do enjoy the Bigfoot
subject just because it's kind of spooky. So you ready, Bob, should
we jump in hit it? Maestro? All right, here we go.
This is directly from Teddy Roosevelt's WildernessHunter book, and this is the Bowman

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story. It was told to meby a grizzled, weather beaten old mountain
hunter named Bowman, who was bornand had passed all of his life on
the frontier. He must have believedwhat he said, for he could hardly
repress a shudder at certain points ofthe tales. When the event occurred,

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Bowman was still a young man andwas trapping with a partner among the mountains,
dividing the forks of the Salmon fromthe head of the Wisdom River.
Not having had much luck, heand his partner determined to go up into
a particularly wild and lonely pass,through which ran a small stream said to
contain many beaver. The pass hadan evil reputation because the year before a

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solitary hunter who had wandered into itwas their slain, seemingly by a wild
beast, the half eaten remains beingafterwards found by some mining prospectors who had
passed his camp only the night before. The Memory of this event, however,
weighed very lightly with the two trappers, who were as adventurous and hardy

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as others of their kind. Theythen struck out on foot through the vast,
gloomy forest, and in about fourhours reached a little open glade where
they concluded to camp, as signsof game were plenty. There was still
an hour or two of daylight left, and after building a brush lean to
and throwing down and opening their packs, they started upstream. At dusk they

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again reached camp. They were surprisedto find that during their absence, something
apparently a bear, had visited campand had rummaged about among their things,
scattering the contents of their packs andin sheer wantonness, destroying their lean to.
The footprints of the beast were quiteplain, but at first they paid

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no particular heed to them, busyingthemselves with rebuilding the lean to, laying
out their beds and stores, andlighting the fire. While Bauman was making
ready supper, it being already dark, his companion began to examine the tracks
more closely, and soon took abrand from the fire to follow them up
where the intruder had walked along agame trail after leaving the camp. Coming

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back to the fire, he stoodby it a minute or two, peering
out into the darkness, and suddenlyremarked Bauman that bear has been walking on
two legs. Bauman laughed at this, but his partner insisted that he was
right, and upon again examining thetracks with the torch, they certainly did
seem to be made by but twopaws, or however, it was too

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dark to make sure. After discussingwhether the footprints could possibly be those of
a human being, and coming tothe conclusion that they could not be,
the two men rolled up their blanketsand went to sleep under the lean to.
At midnight, Bauman was awakened bysome noise, and sat up in
his blankets. As he did so, his nostrils were struck by a strong

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wild beast odor, and he caughtthe loom of a great body in the
darkness at the mouth of the leanto. Grasping his rifle, he fired
at the vague, threatening shadow,but must have missed, for immediately afterward
he heard the smashing of the underwoodas the thing, whatever it was,
rushed off into the impenetrable blackness ofthe forest. And the night after this

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the two men slept but little,sitting up by the rekindled fire, but
they heard nothing more. In themorning, they started out to look at
a few traps that they had setthe previous evening and put out new ones.
By an unspoken agreement, they kepttogether all day and returned to camp
towards evening. On nearing it,they saw hardly to their astonishment, that

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the lean to had been again torndown. The visitor of the preceding day
had returned, and in wanton malice, had tossed about their campkit and bedding,
and destroyed the shanty. The groundwas marked up by its tracks,
and on leaving the camp it hadgone along the soft earth by the brook,
where the footprints were as plain asif on snow, and after a

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careful scrutiny of the trail, itcertainly did seem as if whatever the thing
was, it had walked off onbut two legs. The men, thoroughly
uneasy, gathered a great heap ofdead logs and kept up a roaring fire
throughout the night, one or theother sitting on guard most of the time.
About midnight, the thing came downthrough the forest opposite across the brook

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and stayed there on the hillside fornearly an hour. They could hear the
branches crackle as it moved about,and several times it uttered a harsh,
grating, long drawn moan, aparticularly sinister sound. Yet it did not
venture near the fire. Well,that doesn't sound like a Sasquatch. I
don't know what does. Man,Yeah, I'm imagining the Ohio. How

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when I hear him say that?Well, they specifically said moan, harsh,
grating, long drawn moan. Thatto me says a big old Ohio
how or something to that effect.Anyway, I mean, how many stories
have you heard of people getting freakedout around the fire and having to listen
to these things yell at them andstuff. It's like yeah. In the
morning, the two trappers, afterdiscussing the strange events of the last thirty

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six hours, decided that they wouldshoulder their packs and leave the valley that
afternoon. All the morning they kepttogether, picking up trap after trap,
each one empty. On first leavingcamp, they had the disagreeable sensation of
being followed in the dense spruce thickets. They occasionally heard a branch snap after

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they had passed, and now andthen there were slight rustling noises among the
small pines to one side of them. Again, very very typical Sasquatch behavior,
pulling these things around. You know, these people came into the Sasquatch's
territory. The Sasquatch is clearly justkeeping an eye on them, following them
about and right in their traps.When we talked about one kid when we

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were down in the south, histrapline kept fitting rated like they would pull
all the animals out. Then hefinally found the big footprints there. Yeah,
he saw the thing while he's doinga great footprint tracks, by the
way, And also didn't that happenedat that place where ken Walker heard from
that trapper dude, that's the samething that does happened in there. We
hear it. We've heard it likedozens of times. Yeah, at least

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I have sure. At noon,they were back within a couple of miles
of camp in the high, brightsunlight. Their fears seemed absurd to the
two armed men, accustomed as theywere through long years of lonely wandering in
the wilderness to face every kind ofdanger from man, brute, or element.
There were still three beaver traps tocollect from a little pond in a

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wide ravine nearby. Bauman volunteered togather these and bring him in while his
companion went ahead to camp and madeready the packs. On reaching the pond,
Bauman found three beavers in the traps, one of which had been pulled
loose and carried into a beaver house. He took several hours in securing and
preparing the beaver, and when hestarted homeward, he marked with some uneasiness

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how low the sun was getting.At last he came to the edge of
a little glade where the camp lay, and he shouted as he approached it,
but got no answer. The campfirehad gone out, though the thin
blue smoke was still curling upwards.Near it lay the packs wrapped and arranged.
At first, Bauman could see nobody, nor did he receive an answer

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to his call. Stepping forward,he again shouted, but as he did
so, his eye fell on thebody of his friend, stretched beside the
trunk of a gri rate fallen spruce. Rushing toward it, the horrified trapper
found that the body was still warm, but that the neck was broken,
while there were four great fang marksin the throat. Well, that doesn't

(26:12):
jive very well at the Sasquader.That's the one thing that throws me off
on the whole story. We'll getback to that in a minute after we're
done here. The footprints of theunknown beast creature, printed deep in the
soft soil, told the whole story. The unfortunate man, having finished his
packing, had sat down on thespruce log, with his face to the

(26:33):
fire and his back to the densewoods, to wait for his companion.
It had not eaten the body,but apparently had romped and gamboled round it
in uncouth, ferocious glee, occasionallyrolling over it and over it, and
had then fled back into the soundlessdepths of the forest. Bauman, utterly

(26:53):
unnerved and believing that the creature withwhich he had the deal was some something
either half human or half devil,with some great goblin beast, abandon everything
but his rifle and struck off atspeed down the pass, not halting until
he reached the beaver meadows, wherethe hobbled ponies were still grazing. Mounting,

(27:14):
he rode onward through the night untilfar beyond the reach of pursuit.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyondwith Cliff and Bobo will be right back
after these messages. All right,So let's take a closer look at the
story here to kind of maybe notline by line, but things that grab

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my attention. And the first thingthat grabs my attention is the opening line.
Frontiersmen are not, as a rule, apt to be very superstitious.
I disagree, and I understand hisargument against it, but I disagree completely
with that one. I think thatfrontiersmen or woodsmen and all that sort of,
you know, these are like sailors. Yeah, they do tend to
be rather superstitious in a lot ofways. I think. Well, in

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the same breath, figuratively speaking,Roosevelt says, well, because of his
German ancestry. He was, nodoubt, you know, raised in an
environment that was replete with superstitious stories, you know, goblin stories and specters
and things like that. So thosetwo statements are immediately at odds. That
doesn't change the story at all.That's just, of course Roosevelt's two cents,
and maybe Roosevelt's two cents are onlyworth one. No, it's Roosevelt's

(28:22):
three cents right right, So let'ssee what the next thing I want to
talk about here, Well, let'stalk about the setting, because obviously that's
the heart of Sasquatch territory for theInner Mountain West. I mean, there's
still contemporary reports that come out ofthat region to this day. Yeah,
and it's still a very very wildarea. This particular area is one of
the only inland temperate rainforests in theworld. In fact, get this spot

(28:45):
kind of basically the panhandle of Idahomore or less gets almost as much rain
as the coast of Washington does.It's beautiful. I saw a camp there
with Flippany when we were filming Findingbig footstells out for four nights without the
crew and we were in the bitterin that area, and man, I
couldn't believe it. We were theselush it was a rainforest, and because

(29:06):
you know, it's all desert downbelow there, like going to get down
out too far gets pretty, youknow, high desert. And I was
like, my god, there wasthere was springs there where, there was
ferns galore, and roadies, redinderans, and but just the amount of giant
ferns blew my mind. And thiswas just water bowing on the ground all
over the place, very very wetarea. You know. Later on in
this story, Roosevelt does does whatvery what kind of a lot of skeptics

(29:30):
to do nowadays, they kind oftry to write it off, somehow,
write off somebody's perfectly normal observation.Is something much more mundane when he says
that it may be that, whenovercome by the horror of the fate that
befell his friend, and when oppressedby the awful dread of the unknown,
he grew to a tribute, bothat the time and still more in remembrance,

(29:52):
weird and elfin traits to what wasmerely some abnormally wicked and cunning wild
beast. But whether this is soor not, no man can say,
so, Yeah, he's trying tolike discredit those like, I mean,
he might have just been scared,might have been remembering. It's more an
exaggerated fashion than what actually happened.So yeah, so he was trying to
he was a logical guy. Yeah, I suppose so. And of course,

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you know, another interesting thing aboutthis story is that this particular pass
had that reputation because somebody else haddied there before torn apart. Torn apart.
Yeah, and a lot of theseSasquatch places even today, have sort
of ill reputations where so and sowas murdered there or is haunted, or
they're the devil rooms there, ornobody goes in there because nobody comes out,

(30:37):
you know, that kind of stuff. And so even back then places
had scary, scary reputations, anda lot of times those scary reputations only
because it had a couple of residentSasquatches within. So, I don't know,
I think that's kind of interesting.I think it's worth pointing out that
the setting as described is very consistentwith the setting as described by not only

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witnesses who claim to have seen Sasquatchesin the act of ambushing prey like deer
or elk, or even wild hogsin other parts of the country, but
also the sort of setting where peoplevery often experience intimidation displays, and that
being a small open clearing with steepslopes that are heavily forested on either side
and usually bisected by some kind ofstream or creek. And so that's what
he describes, that they found themselvesin a small open glade, you know,

(31:23):
an open beaver meadow, the rocky, timber clad ground being from there
onward impracticable for horses, meaning it'ssteep. So there's you know, steep
forested slopes on the sides of thissmall open glade or open meadow, and
that they're you know, being thiscreek, he describes it. The glade
in which it was pitched was notmany yards wide, the tall, close

(31:44):
set pines and firs rising around itlike a wall. On one side was
a little stream, beyond which rosethe steep mountains covered with unbroken growth of
evergreen forest. And I actually havea list of reports of people experiencing intimidation
displays, and you read time andtime and time again. You know,
we found ourselves in a small openclearing, you know, basically in a

(32:04):
bowl where there's high ground on allsides, heavily forested, sort of like
if you can imagine being in anamphitheater and you're on stage and you know
the seating around you, you know, there's there's no bad seat in the
house, so to speak, andso something like that. If they are
ambush hunters or ambush predators using terrainto their advantage choke points, bottlenecks,
et cetera, but also maintaining coveron high ground where they can see animals

(32:27):
that are foraging in an open areaso they can observe them from a distance
versus in a dense forest. Allof that jives perfectly in this story.
Yeah, they do seem like thosebig bowl shape areas and they stay up
on the side and watch things wanderthrough. I think of a lot of
different locations that fit that description thatI've run into sasquatches, including that one
visual that I've had through thermal imagerin North Carolina that was a big bowl

(32:50):
shape place that was very very quiet, kind of interesting in that same way.
You know, another thing that I'vefound repeatedly in these intimidation encounters is
the humans engage or conducting themselves insuch a way that would lead an observing
animal to think that they're not goinganywhere, you know, through hikers tend
to, you know, just constantlybe on the move, and so if

(33:10):
you're bothered by human presence, wellyou just wait a few minutes and the
human's gone. But it's a differentmatter altogether when people sit down and take
off their packs. You know,the Meldrim's got that story from the Six
Rivers expedition where they had stopped onthe trail and taken off their packs to
eat lunch and started having rocks lobbedat them from the forest. And so
you see that in certain encounters wherepeople stop and camp for the night,

(33:30):
whether they're pitching a tent or hanginga hammock. But this story really caused
me to look into other accounts wherepeople had constructed shelters, and those seem
to be even more intense intimidation displays, because what would send a message more
like hey, this is my homenow than building a shelter in the environment,
you know, erecting some sort oflike semi permanent structure. And so

(33:52):
that element of this story you seeechoed to this day in intimidation reports about
you know, people setting up semipermanent structures in Sasquatch habitat and then being
encouraged to leave of their own volition. Well, I will say that if
somebody was walking down the road whereI live, it's a private road,
I would ask them, hey,who are you visiting? That sort of

(34:13):
thing. But if somebody came andpitched a tent, I would definitely throw
rocks at it. Yeah. Iimagine if they came and built a little
house, Yeah, I would bethrowing rocks all the way. Just go
go, get the tractor and runit over pretty good. You would engage
in wanton destructiveness absolutely of their leanto, Yeah, absolutely, especially if
those like TV structures and something makeour boundary markers for Sasquatch. What more

(34:36):
could you be doing to piss themoff? And putting up a lean to?
Yeah, something they might actually understanda little bit. So, yeah,
this is mine. That might begetting more troll than the gunfire.
But once again we see that there'sno violence until the gun shot right and
the Ape Canyon that that happened,the bowman in city, and whenever there's
some sort of fatality or real scarysort of damage or violence. It almost

(35:00):
always is set up by a gunshotearlier. Just it goes to show man,
I wouldn't be one. I wouldn'twant to be one of these people
hunting one. I'll tell you that. How scary would that be? The
Actually I hit it, it ranaway, and now I've got to be
here for the next eight hours.Oh man, horrifying. See that's the
horror movie that needs to be made, for sure. I like that.
I like that line though, whenit was Bauman that bear has been walking

(35:22):
on two legs. Yeah, andit's like, what, I don't know
you have? Bauman laughed at this. That's the next line in the story
right there. But yeah, yeah, it did seem to be made,
but didn't made by two paws orfeet. I don't think that line would
be in there. And if theylooked like bear tracks, no, this
thing just screams bigfoot. Yeah.Then they a few lines later after discussing

(35:45):
whether the footprints could possibly be thatof a human being, and well,
why would that discussion be there ifwe're talking about a big brown bear.
You know, it just doesn't makesense. They must have looked a lot
more like human prints than a regularbrown bear. Would you know, and
just of brown bear even in thatarea today. And then of course he
goes on a few moments later inthe story, he is awakened by some

(36:06):
noise and then his nostrils were struckby a strong wild beast odor. Well
there you go. About ten orfifteen percent of sasquatch reports have that smell
associated with it, and it's righthere in the story, right here.
Then he saw the loom of agreat body in the darkness. That's a
sasquatch, you know, a loomof a great body unless the bear's standing

(36:27):
up. But it must be standingup because it's walk around on two legs,
right yeah, And then of coursehe fires at the thing. Oh
cost his friend's life. Stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after thesemessages. So it comes back the next

(36:50):
day because the people haven't left yet. And of course this poor sasquatch is
probably just defending its hunting area.Of course, these poor people took they
should have just left to get thehint. You know. I'll tell you,
like if I was out of oneof these spots that I go to
and something came in and messed upall my camp while I was out.
I don't know if I would stay. Yeah, it's easy to say you
would, but it depends like howviolent it is. You know, like

(37:13):
if you got heavy things that arelike smashed and thrown up in trees and
that sort of stuff, and yougot your yetti cooler like torn in half
and like really violent stuff, likeI'd be a lot more intimidate than just
like stuff you know, messed up, but really like violently ripped apart and
chucked and snapped. That'd be awhole another level. So the next night
they're scared, right, so theyget a bunch of They get a bunch

(37:36):
of firewood and keep the fire blazingall night long. And the thing comes
back after midnight at some point,and it's on the opposite that sounds probably
just the opposite of the brook.So there you have the castle and moat
thing where the sasquatches keep some sortof barrier between you and it all the
time. And it stayed on thehillside for about an hour, they say,
and they can hear the branches crackleas it goes back and forth,
and then it starts saying the long, sinister moan rating long drawn out moan.

(38:01):
These guys can't take a hint.Apparently sasquatches don't speak English, but
they're very, very effective communicators.These guys should have known better. And
of course the next morning they said, yeah, let's get the hell out
of here, and so they do, or they try to. At least
one guy never made it out,as we know, we just heard the
story. But yeah, so theygo out and gather all their traps,

(38:21):
and of course what do they have? A sensation of being followed. In
fact, he even says a disagreeablesensation of being followed. So they were
scared. I imagine the hair wasraising on the back of that. They
felt like they're being watched, thewhole nine, like all those typical copy
and paste sort of sasquatch descriptors whenpeople don't see the sasquatch in the woods,
but they know it's there because theycan feel it somehow. Probably some

(38:44):
sort of consequence of info sound inmy opinion, but who knows, who
knows what that is? That couldbe that thing that you know. It
could be that they give off apheromone, they're scent, that trigger's off
something in our primitive brain from whenwe evolved ut to these guys and competed
with them like that that could sendthat same sensation of hair up Pilo eruption.
Yeah. I like how the menkind of write it off once once

(39:06):
it gets daylight two, because Isee that again and again and again,
Like people come in the museum,like if I saw one I do this
say, well, that's all niceand cute to say, like in the
daylight inside of a store, butwhen you're out there in the dark alone
or with one other person, youreally don't know what you're gonna do.
It's it's easy to be a toughguy when you're in the daylight, you
know. I know because I amone in the daylight, right, Yeah,

(39:30):
we all are in the daylight.Sure. People ask me like,
have you ever been scared, andsaid, dude, if you haven't been
scared, like you're lying, youknow, mind to yourself or mind to
somebody else, Like it's scary outthere sometimes when they're around. Just trying
not to let fear stop you fromdoing anything unless it's tremendously stupid. That
doesn't stop me. That's just wisdomstopping you. Yeah, never stopped me

(39:51):
before. Okay, so then hegets back to camp, of course,
and then he doesn't see anybody untilhe sees that his friend is already dead.
His neck had been broken by theway, which is a chimpanzees,
and right, the necks of theirpary deer are found with broken necks,
and elk are found with broken necks, possibly done by sasquatches, So it
makes sense that his friend would bekilled that way, right, or it

(40:12):
could be at least so he foundhis body. But the thing is like,
okay, there's there are fang marksin the throat, you know,
like some sort of beast got it. That doesn't sound very sasquatchy to me,
because sasquatches don't tend to have longprotruding canines. They tend to have
flat teeth more like human beings inthat sort of way and the other eight
species. But they may but thosethese big ones. Doctor John Binnernoggel actually

(40:34):
pointed this out in one of hisbooks. Protruding canines might be a sexually
dimorphic trait, like these really bigmale sasquatches might have these sort of things.
So it's possible, but that doesn'tsound that doesn't ring as true as
some of the other stuff does,and it might have just been added,
you know, like pronounced they're morelike pronounced io teeth like kind of small
tusk kind of they're not like fangslike a wolf thang. No. No,

(40:58):
And you know, this might havejust been added a little bit to
add to the drama of the wholething. And after all, he is
telling a quote unquote goblin story,as he said, So yeah, maybe
maybe that has something to do withit. I don't know the part about
how it romped and gambooled around itand the ferocious glee rolling over and over
it. Like there's a lot ofpredators that do that, you know,

(41:19):
when they kill something, they'll getall hyped up and thrash it, roll
on it and roll on it.You know, cane IINs will do that.
I think some of the big cats. Now, ma'am, mind you,
of course he didn't see the animaldo that. He's reading the sign.
It's entirely possible that the sasquatch draggedthe guy all around and beat him,
like, you know, beat himagainst the ground or something like.

(41:39):
You know, for sure, youcould do anything if you're a twelve hundred
pound sasquatch and with this little twohundred pound person, you can just throw
him around and beat him against theground and do whatever you want to do
with him, like like a ragdoll. So he might have been just
reading the sign wrong, because howdoes he know about the gleefulness of the
assailant? You know, that's that'sinterpretation, that's not observation. It just

(42:01):
means it was like the amount ofexertion put into it, you know what
I mean, like it was goingout full force, I thinkus he was
implying, right, maybe, yeah, entirely possible. Yeah, And then
of course Bauman bailed essentially. AndI guess the last thing of interest in
here is like he described the animalseither half human or half devil, some
great goblin beast. Well, okay, I can see how any of those

(42:22):
words might be attributed to a sasquatch. And certainly, like just by looking
at a few maps of Bigfoot territory, you're going to find things like Devil's
Ridge or Devil's Creek, or Devil'shalf acre or double this double that.
You know, there's even a fewmonster references here in Mountain National Forests,
like a Ogre Creek down on thecalaw Wash River. Well, how many

(42:43):
ogres are out here? You noticehow he left everything behind. I mean
how often you've heard that? Imean I've done that. It was so
freaked out you just grab like whatever. Like he just got his rifle mounted
and wrote off these guys, youknow, like that's a big deal to
all your beaver hives behind. Youjust spent all this time getting out there,
and the sasquatch is so intimidating whatthey do that you just fully and

(43:08):
abject horror. A good friend ofmine actually abandoned his camp after getting scared
out of an area just last year, actually last October. He left everything
there, including several thousand dollars ofphotography equipment. There's been a couple of
times. One time in particular,very far off trail, kind of near
the headwaters of the Chattahoochee River,we found an abandoned camp. It's just

(43:30):
a single tint, but it lookedlike two sleeping bags in there, and
camp tools, sterno sort of stovefuel, you know, a whole host
of supplies just entirely abandoned, andthey all looked very new, So it
looked like someone had just up andvanished leaving hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth

(43:52):
of camping gear there. It couldhave been someone growing weed out in the
woods and like they heard a helicoptercoming down low, or they heard sheriff's
coming, they just a bolted thatthere's a weed garden nearby that you didn't
see. Well, I've been tothis place like many many times, and
that's why we were just going backto a place we had been many times
and just found this tent and thesesupplies like that. Were like, oh

(44:13):
wow, you know, it's somethingfrightened someone enough to leave and not come
back for all this stuff. Soit's entirely possible. It just definitely makes
you wonder what could have happened thatwould scare someone badly enough to abandon that
much gear and never come back forit. Because it was there for months,
you know. I took other peopleto go look at it for months
afterwards and it was all still there. There's one of those not far from
where we've been pulling all these footprintsdown in an out in Moundhood National Forest.

(44:37):
Yeah, like one ridge over butthe same creek bed. There's an
abandoned camp right there with a coupleof tents and a couple of sleeping bags
and I stumbled upon it and Isaid, and God, there're gonna be
bodies in these, So I hadto go kick the stuff to make sure
there are no bodies in there.So kind of a bum out when you
have to go explore an abandoned campto make sure there're no dead people there.
That imagine where we were in Indiana. Down there, so Indiana the

(45:00):
uh kind of in the second thingof the forest, but where we set
up that camp with like people sleepingto lure in the big Foot and look
like murdered murdered people in the camp. Oh yeah, Yeah, we put
those mannequins and stuff out. Weran into like a regular hikers on the
trail and we're carrying mannequins out intothe woods like a mile off trim.
What what did they think? It'slike, what are these guys up to?

(45:22):
Well, then some other people walkedby and actually walked by when they
was set up. Remember in theYeah, the head was coming off the
one mannequin with the wig leg,all the strew and stuff like, they
were like, like, what's goingon down there? They're pretty tripped out,
Like there's all these people laying outin a camp with like four mannequins,
three or four mannequins set up arounda fire, and there's like one

(45:44):
guy sitting in the chair next tothem. Oh, man, they have
a good story. I wonder ifthat story ever has been told with their
friends, you know, funny stuff. Yeah, well, there you have
it. Man. The Bauman storyprobably one of the scariest Bigfoot stories,
certainly one of the most famous.It's considered a classic. You can read

(46:07):
the thing in its entirety on Bobbyschortz old website. Bobby, of course
has passed away now, but herwebsite is very rich with information. Bigfoot
Encounters dot com is where we readthis one from. Actually fantastic website,
great resources. There's some factual thingsin here that you should always double check
with other books and whatever else,But for the most part, it's a

(46:27):
great, great resource. It wasmy first bigfoot website. It was the
first bigfoot website that I bookmarked.Who went back to repeatedly, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, she did agreat job. She did a fantastic job.
Have you seen our copy of TheWilderness Hunter at the museum, Bobs,
No, it's pretty cool. Igot an original pre first edition copy

(46:47):
of The Wilderness Hunter. It waspublished in eight nineteen or eighteen ninety two
or three or something like that.Yeah, and this particular copy that I
got is a pre first edition.You know how like nowadays, maybe before
a book comes out, you mightget sent a link to the PDF of
a book that you can look atit. What Back in the day,

(47:08):
they would do a small number ofpre prints that they would give out to
journalists so they could review the bookbefore it came out to get some buzz
going. And I somehow managed tostumble on an original copy of one of
those. So in the museum wehave the book opened and it's under glass,
of course, because we don't peopletouching it, and you know it's
from the early eighteen you know,eighteen eighty eighteen nineties rather, so we

(47:30):
have a pre first edition copy ofthe book as well as an analysis of
the text itself on display at theNABC. So it's kind of cool.
That's cool, that's really cool.Yeah, Yeah, they did have some.
I went to one of these antiquebooks websites, you know, we
can buy these things. They hadautograph copies too, at those like three
thousand dollars, I think, well, now I've got I've got the rest

(47:52):
of the museum to build too.I can't afford that, right, But
yeah, there you have it,man like one of the one of the
best, you know, goblins sortof stories out there about sasquatches. And
of course there are plenty of otherscary stories as well. Maybe we can
touch on some of those in themembers section here coming up in a few
minutes. But yeah, bigfoot canbe a very very scary thing, especially

(48:12):
if you don't know these things areout there. Knowing that they're real animals
takes away some of the fear butreplaces it with some other stuff, because
I know, you know, brownbears are real as well. May scare
the hell out of me, right, but it doesn't scare scare the hell
out of me in a sort ofsuperstitious, spooky sort of way, just
like, oh yeah, I don'twant to be eaten by that, because
that's what those do. Well,I guess that's about it. Then,

(48:36):
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