Ep. 241 - A Possible Sasquatch Video from Oregon!

Cliff Barackman speaks with a woman who might've gotten video of a sasquatch recently in the great state of Oregon! This episode covers the story behind the video, Cliff's investigation, the reactions from outsiders, and more!

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Episode Transcript

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hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay, Hey, Squatch getears. This is
Cliff. You're listening to Bigfoot andBeyond with Cliff and usually Bobo, but
this is one of those usual orunusual times where he's not here. We're
recording this in the morning, andBobo's not a morning person, and even
if he is, apparently he hasplans. He's got some firewood issues that
he already had pre planned. Soit's kind of my fault in a way

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that Bobo's not here because it waslast night that I arranged this witness and
uh, you know, last minutestuff isn't easy for anybody, and Bob
already had had plans to get somefirewood because that's how he heats his house
and all that sort of stuff.So it's just me today, Well it's
not just me. We have aguest, but I'll get to her in
just a few moments. It's kindof a great week and Bigfoot right now.

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Lots of cool things are happening.New footprints were discovered. I just
got emails yesterday from a person whofound some footprints south of Timothy Lake out
here in Manhood National Forests. Theylook fantastic in the photographs. I'll be
sharing that with some of the membershere at an ABC. I guess I
can throw that the pru it too. You can put it on the Bigfoot
of Beyond podcast stuff, great photographs. I wish I could have been out

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there, but it is now undera foot or two of snow. They
were discovered on November twenty seventh,so that's the kind of thing that makes
my heart ache, like, oh, man, had you told me or
that day or the day after,heck, the day after was my birthday.
What a cool birthday present that wouldhave been to go open cast footprints
south of Timothy Lake up here inthe Mountain National Forest. But alas did

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not happen. But at least thewitness did send them to me, So
that was really cool. But ofcourse, right now most people are talking
about a piece of footage that wasobtained last week that just might show a
Sasquatch. And of course if yougo online and look at Facebook, which
is probably just about the last placeyou should ever look for good information,
I might add, because not onlyis a lot of this stuff put out

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just nonsense, but also the peoplewho chime in, you know, they
all act like they know what they'retalking about, or have some sort of
authority, or like their opinion counts. Now, mind you, mind you.
I'm under no illusion that my opinioncounts at all, you know,
and therefore you don't see me givea lot of opinions out there on social
media. But there's an interesting pieceof footage that just surfaced. It was
obtained last Thursday when we're recording thisso a we could go today. It's

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recording on Thursday from the Walla WallaRiver, the south fork of the Walla
Walla River, and today we haveor I have the videographer, the one
of the only two witnesses to thisthing, and the other witness was her
daughter. But so, Kelly,thanks for taking a little bit of time
this morning to come on Bigfoot andBeyond and tell us the story behind this

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video. Because if you go online, there's all sorts of crazy misinformation and
nonsense out there, and I figured, you know what, I have spoken
to you directly. I have beento the site with you. Let's talk
about the piece of footage. Kelly, Welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond. Hi,
thank you so much for having me. Oh, it is a pleasure.
It is a pleasure. And againa big thank you for all the

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help you've been given me this pastweek. I'll give a little bit of
background how this video came on myradar, and then we can go into
what occurred as you took it.Okay, it's what a weird, twisted
tale this has become too. Basically, the other day, I can remember
what day, I can check myemails, but I got an email from

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a person this is hey Cliff,this is out there, and it was
a screenshot from this person's phone.It was actually a video screenshot from this
person's phone saying yeah, there's anew video and you should check it out.
And I went, oh, well, okay, okay. I took
a look at it and it's like, okay, yeah, maybe yeah,
it's kind of at a distance,you don't really know that much about it.
So I wrote the person back,I said, is this your video
or you just telling me about it, and I pushed send, and then

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a moment later, another person emailedme about the same video, and so
I said, well, all right, is this your video or are you
just telling me about it? Andit turns out that the second person was
Kelly. Kelly is the videographer,and she emailed the video to me to

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look over or whatever, and thenof course she said, oh, it's
my video, and so I gother phone number and we arranged a time
for a phone meeting. I havetwo pages of notes that were taken during
that phone meeting that we'll get intotoday. And then I arranged the time
to go out and visit with her, but we'll get to that in a
minute. So that's how the footagecrossed my desk. And by the way,

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the other person, the first personto share with me, apparently got
it from the Facebook page where Kellyposted it. So that's how that came
on. Kelly. Let's start,I guess with the day itself, like
how the video came about, andthen we'll go into where you posted it
and the aftermath of all this sortof stuff in your thoughts. Okay,
So let's start with the day ofthe video and just tell us what happened.

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Okay, So the day of thevideo was last Thursday, and my
daughter and I were heading out towhat is known as Harris Park to go
hike around and walk up the riverlike we normally do. And so we
were driving in getting ready to goto where we normally park, and a
little bit before we got there,I noticed out of kind of like my

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peripheral vision that there was something black, very black, sticking out from the
hillside. Okay, And just tobe clear, when you say before we
got there, you don't mean gettingto the park, right, You mean
getting to the place where you hadto turn around, right. It was
right before it was coming up thehill, the little hill there, right
before you go to turn around yourcar. Okay, Okay, Just to

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set thee here, this is lastThursday, which was December seventh, twenty
twenty three, and Harris Park isa park along the south fork of the
Walla Walla River. It's kind ofa big park only that is very very
long. I think the whole parkis probably a half mile or maybe three
quarters of a mile long. I'mjust eyeballing it, guessing having been there.
And it's basically a road and facilitieslike you know, there's places where

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the grounds keeper keep their gear,there's a playground, there's a campground there,
and then at the very end ofthe park would be the Walla Walla
River trailhead that but unfortunately the road'sbeen washed out, so there's a gate
that prohibits people from driving that far, and that is right at the gate
there. That's where the video isobtained. So when you say just before

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we got there, I think whatyou're talking about is the turnaround place before
the gate. And if I'm incorrect, please correct me. That's why we're
talking about it now. No,that's absolutely correct. Right before we get
to the park where we would park, which would be right now side those
two gates. Very good. Soas you're approaching that area, you see
what It just stuck out of myprivial vision of like just a black figure

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and I just kind of looked upthere and didn't think too much of it.
It just kind of struck me asout of place. So then when
you get to the top, youflip a U turn right next to those
gates to turn around. And asI was mid U turn, I turned
my car in and then now thecar is like facing that mountain side in

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you know, half midu turn,and so I see it up on the
mountain side. It was just bigand black, and I was just kind
of like what is that? AndI'm thinking out loud, like what is
that? And my ten year olddaughter was next to me and she was
like what's what? And so Iwas like, Oh, you don't see
that, and she was like,no, what are you looking at?
Because there's a whole bunch of treesthat we have to look through as well

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to see that mountain side. Andso I pulled out my phone and I
zoomed it all the way in,and then somewhere in there I ended up
hitting record, and so I zoomedall the way in so I could show
my daughter where I was looking,and so you could kind of hear that
in the video, like I'm like, look right here next to my thumb
as I was pointing it on thephone screen so that way she can look

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and see. And then she didend up seeing it, and she was
just what is that? And myfirst initial reaction was like, oh,
that's just a human, which youwould hear in the footage as well.
Is I was like, oh,it's just a human. But it's weird.
It's staring at us. And asit was my initial thought that it
was a person, I didn't wantto be creepy sitting in my car filming

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them on the mountain, so Iyou know, stopped filming and we go
to finish parking the car, andwe get out of the car to go
ahead, you know, and walkdown to the river. This is past
the gate where the direction you weretraveling, like the walking to the walking
right right. We were going togo walking past that gate to head up

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to the where the river is backthere. And so we get out of
the car and I could still seethe figure on the wall at the the
mountain side. At the end ofthe clip, you could see it just
standing perfectly still. So when weget out of the car, you know,
I was waiting for my daughter toget out of her side and come
with me. I could still seeit standing there, but still perfectly still,

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like it just wasn't moving. Sowe just started heading over towards the
towards the gates to go back towardsthe river. And it was it was
a very short distance of walking there, you know, there wasn't very much
for where you park to where thosegates actually hit. And right about the
time we reached the gates, Ilooked back up and it was completely gone.

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I could see absolutely nothing on thatmountain side anymore. And I was
like, oh, it's gone.And my daughter looked up as well and
she was like, oh, Idon't see it either. And so we
stood there, you know, lookingaround, wait for a minute, just
in case it kind of went behindsomething or you know, maybe there was
a hill in the mountain we couldn'tquite see that. It kind of dipped

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underneath and it just never reappeared.And then that's when I started feeling like
the atmosphere around me. It wasvery thick feeling. It was as if
you're being watched, like a heavyfeeling of just being watched. And then
it was also kind of like aforeboding, ominous type of feeling. And

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so we were still standing there andI was like, I think we should
go. I don't you know,this feels very off. I feel like
we're being watched. And my daughter'slike, no, it's okay, come
on, mom, we're right here. Let's just go to the river,
because we weren't too far from it. So I was like, okay,
you know, we walked just acouple extra steps and then I was like,
no, this is feeling very off. We are definitely feeling or I'm

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feeling like we're being watched. Sowe're going to go ahead and go.
And she just said okay, andwe got in the car and drove off
from there. Stay tuned for moreBigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Did you probably not, Probably didn't

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smell anything. Did you hear anything, or did you see anything else unusual?
No? I didn't smell anything.It was starting to rain, and
you know, it was quite adistance away from where we were, so
there was no like unusual type smellsor sounds, not that I remember of.
At least, did your daughter hearor see anything? Yes, We

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drove down back towards the campgrounds thatyou initially passed when you first come in.
There's like a little waterfall there thatshe wanted to get out and go
see, and so we drove backdown there. We got out, we'd
go to see it, and Iwas talking to her and in the middle
of my sentence to her, shestopped me and she goes, Mom,

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I don't want to freak you out. But I heard like a really or
a manly scream, and I waslike, you heard what? And she
goes a manly scream and I said, well, where did you hear that?
And she kind of pointed over towardsthe direction that we just were where
we had saw it. Okay,so she heard something, she heard a

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noise coming from that area. Manlyscream, that's how she described it.
Yes, I love it. Ihave a couple of manly screams inside me
sometimes too. So okay. Sono other cars in the park or anything
that you said. There was acherokee that one was just coming down as
we were coming up. We passedit. Oh, I see, I
see. Oh so they were leavingthe park as you were coming in,

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right, I see, I see. Okay. So, as far as
you can tell that, there wasreally nobody else in the park. And
there's a there's a there's a playgroundthere. There were no there are no
kids there, I guess because it'sa Thursday to you know, kind of
lousy weather and so nobody. Youdidn't see anybody else in the park at
all. Nope, there was nobodynear the campgrounds. The park, and
to my understanding that day, thecampgrounds have already been closed too. Yeah,

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okay, they were closed when Iwas there as well. Now you
thought it was a person. Wetalked about that when I did the interview
with you thought it was just aperson up there? When did you When
did it start dawning on you thatmaybe it wasn't a person. It was
like right before I started recording.It was just the way that it was
moving, how black it was.It was just like a feeling that I

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don't know how to describe it,but just kind of like a what is
that? Like? You know,when there's like a person standing on there's
a person, you can you coulddistinguish their features, you can more or
less see like their clothing or something. This one was just in the far

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distance, but it was just black, like head to toe. You couldn't
distinguish any type of like if therewas pants were anything. With the way
that it was moving, and itjust kind of started making me second guess
myself, like what am I lookingat? Like what is it doing?
Because I couldn't it was moving,and so with the movements, that's why

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I was like, what is itdoing? And then you know, that's
when we Also I had the conversationwith my daughter because she couldn't see it,
and then we pulled out the phone. What did your daughter think about
this whole thing? Did she haveanything to say about all this? At
the time, she thought it wasjust kind of weird, you know.
She was just like, what arethey doing? What is that? And

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then when we got out of thecar to you know, walk up to
the trailheads and I had like thatover overcoming, overwhelming sensation. She didn't
feel anything at that time, andso to her it was just like,
oh, come on, mom,let's just go. But now looking back

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and like looking at the video andlike seeing it zoomed in and and learning
a bit more about everything, she'sstarting to be like, yeah, mom,
I think we really did see one. Okay, So when you got
home that day, how did youwhat did you do with the video?
Because it eventually came to me,of course, and a lot of things

(15:16):
have happened since then, But whatwere some of the first things you did
or thought with the video as youproceeded throughout your day? Right, So
we get home and of course I'mgoing through the pictures that we took that
day, and I came across towhere the video was and I was like,
oh yeah, let me, letme look at this video. So
I pressed play just to watch it, and I was like, that is

(15:39):
kind of weird. So I zoomedin on it and I pressed play again,
and I was getting as close asI could, because you know,
the closer you get, the morepixelated it looks. Yeah. And then
for the record, by the way, you have an iPhone fifteen. That's
correct, Yes, I do,okay, I just want to make sure
to put that out there for people. Oh yeah. And so I the
video itself was already zoomed in,but on the screen, I zoomed it

(16:02):
in even more as it was playing, and that's when I realized, like,
this does not look like a humanto me whatsoever. Just as you
see in the video, the movementsare a little bit weird to me.
It felt like it looked like ithad like longer arms and it was just
black from head to toe. SoI saw the video and I was like,

(16:26):
what is this? And I kindof pieced it together to where it
shows like the original video and thenlike screen recorded with the video zoomed in
more so you know, people couldsee the regular one and then right after
that it would play the zoomed inone. I was like, let me,
I'm going to post this and seelike what other people think. So

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I'm in Walla Walla group here andI posted there, and I believe that's
the only place I posted, andno, I'm sorry. I posted in
a few groups. There was theWalla Walla group, and then I went
and I found some bigfoot groups justto kind of get their opinions because I'm
not very knowledgeable in this area.So I was like, well, let

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me, you know, be youknow, join these groups and post in
there and get like their their opinionsof everything. Because that was once I
saw that video and it started clickingwith me, the word bigfoot just comes
to mind. So that's where itkind of gives me like the inkling to
go to like bigfoot pages and postthere to see and yeah, it went

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a little bit more crazy than Ithought it was going to go. Well
that's something that can be said aboutthe community. I mean, people think
we're crazy, but we're actually alittle bit more crazy than they think.
Yes, now you mentioned the WallaWalla group. We're not going to mention
anybody else's name in there because Ithink you got more or less treated well
by the Walla Walla group, ButI know some other groups did not treat
you well. Some other individual sitesdid not treat you well as well.

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So we're not going to talk aboutthem or put them out or anything like
that. That's not what this podcastis about. But we will give kudos
to the Walla Walla group for beingkind listeners, I guess. And I
think that's also where the person whoinitially pointed the video out to me got
it from. I think that thatperson is also on that Facebook group.
So so what were some of thecomments that came out about the video initially,

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like good or bad or ugly oranything like that? What kind of
things were they saying? Right,Well, the Wallawaller group was actually very
helpful. That is where the gentlemanwho sent you that video beforehand, he's
the one who gave me your nameand the email that I originally sent it
in. He's like, send thisin, let's see what he thinks.

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There's some more people, you know, trying to give I think I got
your name a few times with emailsand everything to send to you, and
then a lot of them were justlike this is you know, this is
great footage, good catch, andso they were just already on the lines
like this is absolutely a big foot. Okay, So you got some really

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encouraging remarks and good excellent because youcould go either way with the bigfoot community,
you know, right. Yeah.And of course, when when I
first saw the video, I say, oh, this is interesting. I
mean, and you know, Imean even to this day, I don't
know if it's a person. Idon't know if it's a bigfoot. But
we'll get into my investigation in aminute. But I will say, as
a you know, just to kindof put this out there right now,

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that I see no reason at allthat this could not be a sasquatch,
you know, no reason at allsome of the some of the comments that
I saw. Mind you, I'min a lucky position right now, where
like Facebook isn't even installed on myphone, Like I don't I use it
so little, It's not even ontomy phone right now. So I'm blessed

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to be ignorance of all the nonsensethat goes out there. But other people
who I had spoken to says,oh, it moves clumsily, and I
don't think that's the case at all. I think that takes really really big
steps as it walks up the hill. I don't think it's falling or anything
like that. And there's a lotof things about it that people were saying,
Oh, well, what's that inits hand? And you know,
maybe there is something in its handand it's left hand specifically. It does

(20:07):
kind of look like that to me, but I can't make out what that
thing is. But then again,I also know from having been to the
scene that we probably should just getinto that before I talk about it too
much. That there was a lotof brush in the foreground of the video
that you just can't see because youdid your best to focus on the figure
itself, and therefore the stuff inthe foreground turns out to be noise in

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the video a lot of times.So okay, So anyway, let's to
get into the investigation part of things, and we can talk about the footage
little bit more afterwards. So youeventually reach out to me, and then
I write to you and say,Hey, is this your footage? And
you say yes. We do thatinterview the next morning. I guess because
you had the day off that day. I didn't want to bother you at

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work, of course, and thenthe more I hear about this video,
it's like, yeah, you know, everything's kind of making sense. Everything's
kind of making sense. And youknow, we have a piece of footage
here in the North American Bigfoot Centercalled the Roseberg Footage that is of similar
quality. And actually it's from asimilar distance too, I might add,
which is really interesting. And soI thinking, you know, this reminds
me of the Roseberg footage. That'sreally interesting. And I know from my

(21:17):
first hand investigation of the Roseburg footagethat about that distance you should be able
to see clothing. And that's somethingthat you told me right away. It's
like, no, I didn't seeany clothing. It was black from head
to toe, and that when Iwent out to the site. And I'll
get to this in a minute,but I asked your daughter, who's the
other witness of course, to this, was the figure on the hill wearing

(21:40):
clothes? And she said no,straight out, no, who was not
wearing clothes. I think that you'dbe able to see clothing. I really
do think you'd be able to seeclothing at that distance. Okay, so
we do our interview, and thenyou were kind enough to meet me out
there at the scene on this pastMonday. I don't know what day.
Monday was, probably like the eleventhor something like that. I'll take a

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look at that really fast to So, yeah, the eleventh. So I
woke up at five am. Idrove five hundred and nine miles that one
day. I went and picked upmy colleague Keith, and we drove out
there. We got there about ninethirty. You were kind enough to meet
us out there, So what areyour thoughts on the investigative process? That's

(22:23):
because that's something that I don't thinkmuch of because you know, I'm neck
deep in bigfoot stuff all the time, but you're kind of an outsider in
some ways. This is probably yourfirst dip into the pool. So what
are your thoughts on the investigative processthat you saw unfolding that day? Ah?
Yes, I am absolutely new toall of this, so it was
very interesting and intriguing to me.I was a little frustrated because the fog

(22:48):
that day was just so thick,and I was really looking forward to us
getting like the comparison shots and tobeing able to zoom in and kind of
recreate, you know, the waythat it looked in the video with you
know, a human versus whatever itwas that I had originally filmed, so
we could you know, piece thattogether and really take a look into that.

(23:12):
But the investigation process of it wasawesome. You guys were such good
troopers to you know, hike thatmount and you guys had to go through
a little bit of that river justto get through, and it was cold,
and I'm just so appreciative of youguys for doing all of that and
to travel the whole way that youdid, you know, And it's my

(23:33):
opinion that every lead should be followed, every lead should be followed. There's
been several times in my big footingcareer that everybody else was telling me,
now, don't worry about that,there's nothing to see there that's fake or
that person blah blah blah, thisand that, and I find that,
generally speaking, very often these peopleare incorrect incorrect about that stuff. I
was told to completely ignore the Bossburgincident, for example, for our listeners,

(23:59):
don't worry about that, there's nothingthere, and I completely found that
that was inaccurate. That was inaccurate. That was just you know, sour
grapes from one investigator to the wholesituation. I remember I'm finding Bigfoot.
There was a photograph that was takenin Vermont. I think it was during
our White Hall, New York episodethat was brought to our town hall meeting.
This young gentleman named Ian got thisvideo or got this photograph rather,

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and Matt and Bobo and Renee wereall kind of just saying, no,
that's fake, don't worry about that. But when I went out there,
I said, well, if it'sfake, the guy's seven feet tall.
So again, every lead should befollowed, so even and you know what,
if this was in Virginia, Iwouldn't have flown out there. But
this was an organ you know,And I see this as my responsibility.
I'm in a very blessed position whereBigfoot is my is my life, you

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know, it's my existence, It'sit's the way I make make a living
with the museum, et cetera.And this is my obligation to the subject
to follow up on every scenario thatI can like this. And you know
what, it was cold, itsucked. It was cold and wet all
day long, and it was areally interesting investigation. And unfortunately, as

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Kelly mentioned, we could not getthe comparison shot because we couldn't see the
other side of the valley unfortunately.And I had everything lined up, you
know, I all those all thebranches in the trees. They kind of
act like gun sights in a way, like when this crosses this and you
know you're in the right area.I found pretty much exactly within like an

(25:29):
inch or two of where the cameraneeded to be to get the same shot,
and the fog never lifted. Itwas so aggravating. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff andBogo will be right back after these messages.
Early in the day, when thefog did lift just enough to see

(25:52):
across. Even in that foggy condition, I could see that Keith, my
partner there, was wearing clothing.I could see his face, I could
see his hands. I could seethat his pants were a different color than
his jacket. I could see allthose things quite easily. But yet you're
telling me, and your daughter toldme, I believe that the thing was
one color. Had the toe absolutelynow see. And I did get a

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chance to see Keith across on themountain side just a little bit before he
had it up, and I couldclearly see him, like his head,
I could see his arms, hisjacket, I could make his pants out.
It looked, you know, justlike a clothed human. And another
thing that stuck out to me ishe had a black coat on. But

(26:37):
the black coat that he was wearing, you know, pure black. It
felt like it it kind of likeblended in just a little bit with like
the backside of it. It didn'tlike pop out like the figure did in
my footage. The black was soprominent in eye catching, and then with
Keith up there with his black on, it just wasn't the same. Interesting,

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Now, with one of the thingsyou mentioned to me, and I'd
like you to speak to if youcould, are the proportions of the figure.
Okay, Now again I'm not convincedit's a sasquatch, but I'm not
certainly not convinced it's a human either. I lean a little bit more heavily
towards the sasquatch side of this argument, honestly, especially after having been there.

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But what were the differences in yourmind, in your eye because you
got to see the thing in person, and that's a huge difference. Cameras
are only so good and they're greatnowadays, but they're not nearly as good
as what you can see with yournaked eye. I know you briefly mentioned
some things earlier, but can youreally go deep into the things that you
saw with your naked eye about theshape of the figure, maybe the proportions,

(27:44):
the way it moved, any ofthat sort of stuff to give us
the best painting you can with wordsof what you personally observed with your eye
outside of the video. Right.Yeah, Like I had previously mentioned,
it was completely black, just likehead to toe. Couldn't really make out
clothing typestyle, you know, itwas just pure black. The arms seemed

(28:06):
very long. That was one ofthe things that I had noticed, because
before I started recording it, itwas moving and I could see the arms
and they just they felt long,like almost to like your knees, if
you will, And they swayed likeas you can also see in the video
when they turn, they kind ofhave like a sway motion, and so

(28:30):
that stuck out to me as well. But yeah, so I also had
noticed, like with the long arms, the word that came to my mind
was more beastly. It was morebeastly than it was human, and meaning
like the chest portions, like wherethe shoulder, like between the shoulders was
just super wide. I remember thatone just being very wide and again beastly

(28:53):
looking. The head did seem abit smaller. It was harder to see
compared to like the body. Thebody to me just felt like it was
massive, and looking back or whenI was thinking about it, I'm like,
it had to have been very hugefor it to stick out the way
that it was sticking out to methat day to see it at you know,

(29:15):
the distance that it actually was.So the body was just beastly,
very wide. The leg portions didn'tseem as long as like the body portions
did, like like the upper torsopart seemed longer than what the leg length

(29:37):
would have been as well. Now, what about the way it moved,
because we only get to see afew seconds of it moving and it's kind
of moving its way uphill and bythe way having been like again, we
couldn't find the exact spot it was, so we didn't find footprints. And
you know what, it had rainedtoo, right since that Thursday, between
Thursday and Monday when I got there, right, it was raining a lot,
and at one point it did snowoh gee, yeah, So any

(30:02):
footprints that were there were probably kindof washed out because that hillside. I
know that, you know you tookpictures of the ground there saying that the
ground's too hard for footprints, Butthat hillside was made out of different stuff
that there were amp There were ampleopportunities for footprints up on the hill.
But again if it was raining andeven some snow, then they would have
been washed out. Although Keith didfind two large impressions next to each other

(30:23):
that seemed to be about the rightshape and size. We can I can
certainly put those out for our members. Remind me, Matt, and I'll
send you those the pictures to putout, not saying that they're footprints,
but I can't say that they're not. There's their space. Appropriately. They
had the right shape, the rightsize, especially on this that slope,
because that slope, I'll tell youis no joke. Having been up there,

(30:45):
it is a different world up ontop of that hill from where this
thing was walking. Now, Icouldn't find the exact spot within like two
or ten feet or something like that, but I was up there, and
then Keith went up there after me, because I better picture on my phone
I could place him better had Ibeen able to see him. But Keith
got much closer to the location thanI did. I think I was about

(31:08):
fifty yards away from where it waseventually ended up being, and that that's
based on me being up there figuringwhere the hell could this have been,
you know, and then going downlater and seeing where I was based on
the landmarks I could see compared towhere it should have been, you know,
framed in the trees there, becauseagain I found exactly pretty much where

(31:29):
the camera needed to be to placethe person correctly had we been able to
see them at the place. SoI think I was probably about fifty yards
away, but Keith, I thinkwas quite close. I think he was
much closer than that, probably twentyfive yards or more or something like that,
which is maybe why he found thoseimpressions. I don't know. But
it is no joke up there.It is very steep. It's it's a

(31:49):
legit forty five degree angle for mostof it, and some of it is
steeper and some of it is lesssteep, but it's like legit fifty percent
slope a forty five degree angle,and it's muddy, not super deep mud,
but it's plenty of mud that youcan slip on, and the rocks
up there are quite slippery as wellbecause they're very very wet and moss covered,
Which is why I go back to, I don't feel that the subject

(32:13):
was moving in a clumsy manner.I think that it was just navigating a
very tricky hillside. Now, Kelly, you got to see this thing move
a lot more than any of usdid, because we only have what's in
the video. How did it movemaybe compared to the way human moves,
or how did it move in general, and I even compared to anything,
how did it move? What Isaw before started filming is almost about the

(32:36):
same thing. The drides of itwere very long. That is one thing
that did catch my attention when itgoes to like take a step like I
don't know if you could see itin the video, but what I could
see personally, the step up thatit took was actually quite huge. So
that was another thing that you know, stuck out of weirdly moving because as

(33:00):
to me, humans, you know, you don't take that big of a
stride, even when we're hiking orclimbing, and so it was kind of
just doing what was already in thevideo, it would it was down just
a little bit further before I startedrecording it. It took its step up,
but then it would freeze in between, like it would move and then
it would freeze. And when Isay freeze, like it just stops and

(33:22):
it kind of you can slowly seeit just straighten itself to where it's like
completely straight, and it sits likethat for a minute, and then it'll
go again and kind of, youknow, take another step up because it's
in the video, and before thatlooked like it's like climbing the mountain,
like it's trying to make its wayout of there. Could you tell if

(33:43):
it ever turned and faced you orwas it always just cruising away from you?
So when I said it was justlooking at us, in the footage,
you can hear me say, like, it's just looking at us,
like it's weird. I could seelike the body stayed, but it's almost
like the shoulders and like the headlike turned and went like towards me.

(34:06):
And when it did that, itwas just like an immediate feeling like I
know it's looking at me. Andthen again during that footage, I thought
it was a person, but Ihad that sensation that they were, you
know, looking at me. SoI didn't want to be, you know,
weird filming them, so I juststopped filming. But I did feel
like it would the upper half wouldlike turn and it would look at me

(34:29):
like I knew it knew that Iwas there. When it did that,
you specifically mentioned it turned its shouldersand head towards you. Yes, Now
in the video it kind of lookslike something was in its hand. Did
you notice carrying anything? No,So that's the thing that I was trying
to figure out as well, becauselooking with you know, when I was

(34:51):
looking at it, it did notlook as if it was holding anything whatsoever.
So then when I was breaking downthe footage a little bit more,
I noticed, like when it climbsup and it kind of turns, it
does look like there's something being heldin the left hand side. And so
I'm breaking down the video more andmore because looking at it, you know,

(35:14):
like with the naked eye there,it wasn't holding anything. And so
breaking down the video I got itto where like right before it climbs up,
you can see both of its armsand there's nothing there. The next
step is like the next frame overis you know when it kind of turns
and then you can see like thatweird almost like round shape coming from the

(35:36):
left hand side. I have noidea what that could have been or you
know what could have made that typeof shape. Yeah, it's interesting.
So it almost like a like there'san extension of the hand it's holding something
that's holding. But at the sametime, I don't see it in every
frame. It makes me wonder ifthat's just some sort of pixelated noise,
or if that's some sort of artifactperhaps in the foreground, because getting to

(36:00):
the scene and locating the trees andspecifically that little window, that rectangular window
that you captured the figure through betweenall the branches, was pretty difficult.
And the reason it was difficult isbecause in your footage you did a good
job focusing pretty much on the animalor the figure at least it washes out

(36:20):
to all the four ground branches andnoise. There were quite a few smaller
branches in between you and the figurethat just you don't see very well in
the footage because it's focused at sucha distance. And I'm wondering if maybe
some of the abnormalities, some ofthe noise that we see on the figure

(36:40):
is just an artifact from these foreground obstructions. But I don't know that.
Unfortunately, there's a lot I don'tknow about this video. This was
taken at Harris Park, of course, and even though I couldn't find we
couldn't place somebody in the exact positionbecause of the fog. I do I
know generally where it is. Youcan see in the upper left hand corner

(37:01):
there's a kind of a bushy shapedtree. That tree is actually rather large,
just at least twenty feet tall,by the way, but it's to
the left of the figure. There'sanother darker patch that's a rose patch.
There's a bunch of wild roses outthere with a lot of rose hips on
them, I might add that's oneof the things I noticed while I was
walking around. Rose Hips are afood item, and they are rich in

(37:22):
vitamin C, and they are there, and most of them are pretty old,
but there's certainly enough you can besnacking on. So I thought that
was interesting as well. So youcan see those two features in the video
itself. So we know very approximatelywhere the figure was walking, and using
Google Earth Google Maps specifically, thatdistance is somewhere between eight hundred and one

(37:45):
thousand feet horizontally from where you werenow. Of course, is also quite
a bit higher than where you wereas well, so there's some trigonometry going
on here. But I think it'spretty safe to say that is, you
know, three football fields approximately awaynine hundre feed or so, give or
take a little bit. It's notthat not really that far. And oddly

(38:05):
enough, the Roseberg footage was threehundred and three yards, which is pretty
much exactly the exactly the same distance, oddly enough, so I've got a
couple of things to compare to here. But the direction it was traveling,
there's nothing. Have you looked atthe map, Kelly, Have you seen
what's out there? I actually havenot a whole lot of nothing. That's
what I was assuming. I justfigured after the initial mountains you see right,

(38:29):
there is just more and more andmore mountains pretty much, you have
quite a ways to go, evenbefore you run across a two track road.
Actually, I don't know if itwas a person, and again maybe
it is. Maybe it is aperson, but I don't know if it
was a person, what in theworld were they doing, I wonder,
And where did they come from.That's exactly my thoughts. I have no

(38:51):
idea where they would have came from, because there was nobody below. There
was no other cars there. Itwas just my daughter and I that I
could see, and year round therewas no anybody else like back on the
river side. It was literally justmy daughter and I and the figure on
the mountain side. And I reallydon't know what they would be doing there,

(39:14):
you know, as like a humanlike, what their intentions would be
just standing there on that hillside thatday, Yeah, or actually walking away
on the hillside, like walking awayfrom the park, away from the river
to where there's nothing. I guessthe only thing that I would even can
make sense to me at all isand all I'm going to get on the
top of this ridge. But whythere? I don't get it. I

(39:37):
just don't get it. And theyput it in some context here. We
mentioned that where Kelly got this footagewas at the end of the road.
That's kind of true. It's theend of the road because there's a gate
there, But the road does gopast the gate. It goes another maybe
one hundred and fifty two hundred yardspast the gate and then goes into the
river. Because the road was washedout by the south fork the walla walla

(40:00):
river. The road does not existthere. It continues on the other side
of the wash out, though,So to get there, I don't think
you came down, but Keith camedown. He actually filmed me trying to
navigate this. The road goes intothe river and at that point there's like
a rock wall on the right handside, and the river's on the left
here, and the river is pushingagainst that rock wall. I had to

(40:22):
climb that rock wall and kind ofhug it with a camera in my hand.
On my addicts, I filmed allthis. I had to hug that
rock wall and kind of shimmy alongabove the river. The rock wall's probably
twenty five thirty feet, maybe maybea little bit more, but something like
that, maybe forty feet, Andso I had to go on the slippery

(40:43):
rock wall above the river and thengo to the road on the other side.
And actually I couldn't even make itthat far. At some point,
about ten feet shy of the road, I had to drop down off the
rock wall and walk through the river. And mind you, I saw my
car thermometer. It was thirty fourdegrees at that time. You know,
it probably wasn't that same that youknow the previous Thursday when you were there,

(41:04):
But that's what I had to gothrough to get to the other side
of this road wash out. Fromthere, I continued further up and there's
a bridge, luckily, that crossesthe south fork of the Walla Walla River
just before the Walla Walla River trailhead. There's a there's a bathroom facility there,
there's a trailhead facility, there's parkingand all that stuff. Nobody was
there when I was there, butokay, so people out there going,

(41:27):
okay, well there's a trail.Could it be a person? Absolutely could
be a person, just seems unlikely. There the trail does go back.
Most of the Walla Walla River trailis actually further upstream because as you're looking
at the figure, the creek isflow or the river is flowing from right
to left, so all this stuffis way to the right basically, So
the trail goes upstream, mostly fromthe trailhead, but there is a small

(41:53):
section of the trail that goes downstream, and that is what I took to
get down to the area to starttrying to locate where this thing may have
been standing. Even from and whenI was on that trail by the way,
I found a human bootmark. Ifound a couple of bootmarks, but
they were old, they were washedout, relatively speaking, so it could
have been the last couple of days, maybe even the previous Thursday. I

(42:14):
don't know. I don't think thatit goes that far back, but it's
possible at least. But where Ifound them, it turns out, was
past where the figure was, probablyanother two or three hundred yards or more
past for the figure, because Iovershot the entire area, because I don't
know how many people in our listeningaudience have ever done an on site recreation,
but it is very difficult. It'sactually a lot more difficult than I

(42:37):
ever thought before I started doing thison a regular basis. To find where
the figure was is very difficult fromthe position of the videographer, let alone
from the position of the figure itself. So I way overshot it, and
that's where I found the boot marksheading further downstreams so I don't know.
I guess it could have been aperson. Maybe that was the bootmarks of

(42:59):
the person in the I don't know, But from there I had to go
upwards. I had to go uphillon this crazy slope that varied between like
you know, well, forty fivedegree you give or take fifteen degrees all
the way up, and it hadto be at least another two hundred or
three hundred feet above the trail itselfto get where the figure is. When

(43:22):
I was up in that area,I didn't see any boot marks. I
didn't see any sign of humans trompingaround. I found a lot of deer
marks, deer in elk prints wereabundant, deer scat I found their bedding
sites. And one of the thingsthat struck me being up on that hillside
that is hard to appreciate where youwere Kelly down on the roadway is the

(43:46):
variety of markings and features on thehillside, because when you look at the
video, you say, oh,there's some dark marks and it looks like
a big open hillside, It absolutelyisn't. There are rocky outcropping all over
the place up there. It lookslike there's hardly any trees on the hillside,
which also isn't true. There arequite a few small trees and some

(44:09):
pretty big groves of trees to theright of where you see the figure in
the video, there's actually a reallybig tree grove that probably had fifty or
more trees in it, some ofwhich are like forty fifty sixty feet tall,
and there's bushes down and there.So when you told me that the
figure disappeared, I said, Iwonder what it's like up there. And

(44:30):
sure enough, there is more thanample opportunity for any a person, let
alone a sasquatch, to hide themselvesand never be seen by you down there.
I thought that was a very veryinteresting feature. I guess to the
video that you added, it's likeit just totally disappeared. How could that
be true? And I'm sure theparanormal people say, you know why,
Cliff, because they jumped into theirinter dimensional UFO writing portals and disappeared.

(44:54):
So well, I guess you couldsay that or just hid among the stuff
that was on the hillside, becausethere was a whole lot of that up
there that you just can't really makeout in the video. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff andBogo. We'll be right back after these
messages. So that the investigation Ithink was fruitful. I learned a lot

(45:21):
about the video itself. I couldn'tdo the comparison photographs as I intended.
Maybe I can get up there againand before the leaves come on the tree
and try it again. But itwas a long day. I mean,
it was nine hours in the carafter all, and gas isn't cheap,
as we all know. But still, I mean, maybe I can get
up there again for some other reasonand drop by and do that comparison shot.

(45:42):
I'd love to do it. Butyou know, Kelly, I didn't
tell you this. I don't thinkI had a chance to speak to you
until now. Since then, whenI got back to work on Tuesday,
I was told that somebody called themuseum to warn me about your footage.
Now I don't know who this personis and if they left the name,
my employees didn't give it to me, etc. But somebody called the museum.

(46:07):
I want to warncliffe about that footage. I saw that footage years ago,
and it's a hoax and all thisother stuff. And I say,
well, that's odd because the timestamp on this woman's phone says it was
last Thursday at like twelve eighteen orsomething like that. And nothing personal,
Kelly. But I don't know ifyou're savvy enough to manipulate the time stamp

(46:28):
on your video and your iPhone fifteen. So it's kind of a weird thing,
you know. Did you get anyblowback like that from the Bigfoot community.
I absolutely did. I heard quitea bit of things. That is.
One of the things that I didhere too, is I've seen this
footage before from I think they saidit was from like Call. The footage

(46:49):
was out of Colorado, and therewas so many going on about, Oh,
it's just the girlfriend's boyfriend that's upthere, this is just a hoax.
I could clearly see blonde hair andoveralls and like you name it.
It was probably said. There wasa lot of pushback by that. But
at the same time, you know, I just blew it off because I

(47:10):
know as I was there, Iknow when it was filmed. As you
said, it is time stamped onmy phone, and with those you can
see the exact location that I wasstanding in too. A lot of that
was just a little bit lappable,but there was a lot of pushback with
it. Yeah, you'll find noshortage of that unfortunately, in and amongst

(47:30):
the Sasquatch community, you know,and as a good example, Very often
people will analyze the Patterson Gimlin filmand say, oh, well, there
seems to be the suggestion of musclemovement. And people will say, oh,
you can't possibly see that. There'snot enough clarity. It's impossible to
know. And then in a videothat's digital as yours is where it gets

(47:52):
pixelated, those same skeptics, oh, I can clearly see blonde hair,
or can clearly It's like, no, you can't. You can't clearly see
any of those things. Et Sol, I'm sorry to hear that you had
to deal with that, but you'rein good company. I imagine a lot
of people are coming off as expertsabout your footage. I don't know if

(48:12):
you have you been paying attention atall. I have not, because I'm,
as far as I know, I'mthe only person who's been to the
site and spoken to you. I'mcertainly Keith and I are the only people
who have been to the site withyou. So it seems to me that
most of everybody else's opinion doesn't reallymatter at this point. But it seems
like a lot of people are comingoff as experts. Is that true?
Yes, absolutely, you guys arethe only ones that I have gone to

(48:34):
the site with there are a lotout there that I would hear given my
experience that when I've seen these afew times in my life. The arms
aren't long. This isn't you know, the strides aren't this. You could
clearly see that they're wearing a coat, and they would go on about like
how their experience played into my experienceand why my experience wasn't legitimate because of

(48:59):
their experience. If that makes sense, your sentence makes sense, but their
idea of that makes no sense tome at all, you know what I
mean. Yeah. One of thethings Cliff and I talked about that I've
just seen over and over again frominvestigating pieces of multimedia evidence like this is
that the more you can see,actually, the more sort of pushback that

(49:20):
you'll get. People tend to favor, especially like certain sasquatch proponents, less
informational bits of evidence, because thenit has more blank space for them to
fill in the blanks with the contentsof their imagination or the things that they
want to see. And so veryoften as you see more detail, like
the way something moves, it doesn'tcomport with their sort of fantasy, and

(49:43):
so they'll go, oh, well, that's not how I think it should
move, and therefore it can't bereal when none of us know exactly how
a sasquatch can or would or shouldmove. So again, sorry to hear
that you've experienced that, But onceagain you're in good company because everyone who's
managed to get some sort of evidenceit has to deal with these same pushbacks
if like that doesn't comport with myfantasy of what a sasquat should do,

(50:05):
and therefore it can't be real.Yeah, yeah, And then of course
everybody has witnesses are a weird mixhere because you mentioned like that didn't move
or appear or have this like theone I saw did their four years isn't
real to me. That's just everybodythat says somebody saying look at me,

(50:27):
look at me, look at me. And then that's the problem with the
big cook community today. And inmy opinion, everybody is out there saying
look at me, instead of saying, let's look at the animals. That's
where the attention should be. Inmy opinion, it's not about you.
It's not about I mean, Ihate to say it. Your video is
not about you, Kelly. Youknow, like my museum isn't about me,
Cliff, It's about the animals,and that's where the focus should be.

(50:50):
And they there's a wide variety ofanimals and not all everyone's going to
look the same or have the sameyou know, features, and they shouldn't
be expected to. Because that's thebig takeaway. And I've said I've said
this one hundred times at least,that the big takeaway from my experience on
the show Finding Bigfoot, which ranfor eight what nine years? Eight nine
years, I've been to all overthe world looking for these things. My

(51:12):
number one takeaway is that bigfoots don'tgive a damn about your expectations. They
just do what they do and they'renot going to conform to what you think
or anybody thinks. And I thinkto come out and say, well,
your video doesn't match what I expect, therefore it's wrong, that's just a
weird that's a very weird form ofarrogance. Yeah, I think it'd be

(51:34):
worth saying that, you know,if someone were truly skeptical, if you
know people who want to dismiss bitsof video or even cynical about it,
where they just have like an arbitrarycommitment to saying that something can't be real.
It's like, well, if youwere truly skeptical, then you'd be
skeptical of your own certainty, Likewhat makes you so sure that your hypothetical
model of what a sasquat should belike is correct? But people very often

(51:55):
don't take those steps. So itis again unfortunate to hear that you had
to deal with those sorts of they'renot even rebuttals, they're just noise.
So sorry you were bombarded by thatkind of noise. No, it's so
good. It's to me almost tobe expected in a way. I just
kind of compare this to like theparanormal, where you know you're going to

(52:17):
have those people who absolutely believe,and if you even if you catch it
on footage, you know there's goingto be those ones that believe, there's
going to be those ones that absolutelydo not, and you know, try
to think of every logical reason ofwhy this isn't the way that it really
is. So it was easy forme just to ignore those, you know,

(52:37):
all the negative that came with it. Yeah, then you start to
make sense of how could it bethat these animals are real and haven't been
recognized? And then you have todeal with the people who are quote unquote
trying to discover them, and yousee the way they conduct themselves and you
go, oh, it's no wonderthese people haven't figured it out yet.

(52:58):
Yeah. Well, Kelly, firstof all, congratulations on getting a really
interesting clip. Is it a bigfoot? Is it a human? I mean,
honestly, we don't know. Wedon't know. I think even at
this point you don't know either.But I'll tell you I am much much
more strongly leaning towards a sasquatch nowthat I have spoken at length to you,

(53:20):
this is our third lengthy conversation,and also been to the site not
only where you took the shots,but also where the figure was approximately.
I've been up in that general area, and I am much more inclined to
be very open to this being asasquatch. In fact, I kind of
think it probably is at this point, but you know, it's hard to
come down. Then. This isn'tTV where the producers are going to say,

(53:42):
clip, come on, be morefirm. So no, no,
this is the truth. I thinkit very well could be a sasquatch.
Is it? I don't know,never, probably never will know. I
was hoping to get up to theexact location and find footprints, but we
couldn't get to the spot. Wecouldn't because of the fog, We couldn't
nail down exactly where that was.I didn't and across any impressions of sasquatch
or human up there, although Keithdid find something interesting and we'll share that

(54:06):
with our members. But yeah,congratulations on an interesting piece of footage.
And also, thank you so much. I cannot say this enough. Thank
you so much for sparing so muchtime out of your busy schedule. I
mean, you have a job,you have children, you have to contend
with, you have a life,and but yet you've taken several hours of
your life not only to speak tome on the phone and to speak me

(54:28):
on the podcast, but also tomeet me at the location itself, to
walk me through and point things outand share your insights at the site itself.
I cannot thank you enough for that. I really really do appreciate it.
You've done everything above and beyond yourcall of duty, the call of
duty to shed light on this situation. So thank you, thank you,
thank you. Yeah, well,thank you guys so much. I really

(54:50):
appreciate you guys taking the time outand you know, listening to me,
and you making those phone calls withme as well, and taking your time
to drive over here. And it'sbeen a really great experience with you guys,
and I truly appreciate everything of it. So thank you very much.
Hey, Kelly, I'm gonna giveyou a really fun opportunity here. I

(55:10):
don't think when I talk to youat the site, you mentioned you had
never heard the podcast before. Butat the end of every episode, Bobo,
who have you seen the Finding Bigfootshow or not? I don't,
I don't remember. I've seen afew episodes. Yes, okay, Well,
Bobo's the big guy, right,that guy. At the end of
every single episode, he tells ourlisteners, he thanks everybody, so thank

(55:34):
you for listening, and he says, keep it squatchy. Would you like
to do that in the in yourbest Bobo imitation? Okay, I'll give
that a shot. Thank you guysfor tuning in with us this week.
Keep it Squatchy very nice, Itwas uncanny. Thanks for listening to this

(55:58):
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