April 29, 2024 • 57 mins
Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay speak with Jeff Dysinger, a hunter and professional outdoorsman who watched a sasquatch through a pair of binoculars for several minutes in Colorado! Jeff also describes his first sasquatch encounter that occurred a year prior in the same area!
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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff andBobo. These guys are your favorites,
so light say subscribe and rade it. I'm stuck and me listening, oh
watching, Lim always keep it swatching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and
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James Boobo Fay, Hey Bobs,how you doing? Man? All right?
How are you doing? Cliff?Pretty good? Pretty good, Just
cruising along at the end of myday, doing a podcast with some of
my best friends. So everything's lookingdown. Guys, who's that Matt Pruitt
and Bobo of course? All right, Hey Bobs, we're pretty excited.
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Why don't you let's get us intothe guests. Man, this is too
good to talk anything else about.Yeah, I've heard of this guys.
Uh, you know, I heardabout him for a while ago, but
I don't remember the details ory thing. But yeah, our illustrious producer Matt
Pruitt actually got in touch with himand it was pretty shocking to hear that's
who that. When I heard hesaid he got ahold of him, I
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was like, Wow, that's nuts. So Matt tell us tell us how
you got ahold of him? Yeah, it was really funny. One of
our beloved members. One of ourPatreon members had reached out to me and
said, hey, I understand youknow, we live in the same town.
We should meet up and have lunchtalk squatch. And no one's ever
accused me of not talking enough,so I was like, oh, I
had an opportunity to go talk,you know. So we're hanging out and
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making small talk. And I'd askedhim like, what got you into interested
in the subject, and he said, well, I was always kind of
interested. But I met a guyhere in Nashville who had seen one and
I was like, well, that'scool, and he said yeah, he
was actually an elk hunter and aguide in Colorado. And I was like,
oh, that's really interesting and hesaid yeah, he watched it through
binoculars for a few minutes, andI immediately recognized the story because I was
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always a big fan of the writingsof a researcher from Kansas named Keith Foster,
and he actually worked with a numberof elk hunters and people that were
prominent in that community in Colorado toput together a lot of information about Sasquatch
sidings there. And then there wasa journalist for the Denver Post named Theo
Stein who had written this. SoI immediately I just took a chance with
this guy and I said, Hey, is this friend of yours? Is
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his name Jeff die Singer? Andhe was like, yeah, how did
you know that? And I waslike, I got a pretty good memory
man for sasquatch related stuff, andso to learn that he lived here in
the same area as I do,I reached out and we had a great
conversation, and I thought, we'vegot to get him on the podcast.
And so I know you guys aresomewhat familiar with the story, but I'm
going to let Jeff tell it,so you guys can host the conversation and
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I'm all here for it. Allright, good score pro So welcome Jeff,
thanks so much for coming on.Hey, thank you guys, Hey,
Joe, Hey, Bobo. Iwill say this to just begin that
I have never done a podcast onthis ever. I've done a bunch of
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podcast on elk hunting and backcountry bowhunting and and shooting professional archery but in
the military stuff, but I've neverdone this, so so this will be
a first for me. Yeah,us too, We've never had you on
this. It'll be great. Yeah, this will be fund you condense your
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like what you usually say on aon a podcast about hunting, kind of
kind of gave us a prettif inchon you like what your what your qualifications
in the woods are. Sure.I grew up here in middle Tennessee,
small town, grew up hunting,uh, you know, mostly small game,
that kind of stuff. Grew uphunting a place that y'all are probably
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familiar with. I heard of calledLand between the Lakes. Never once in
my life have I ever thought aboutBigfoot, especially all the time I spent
down there as a kid. Andthen, you know, after high school,
I went to the military. Iwas a part of the seventy fifth
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Special Forces out of Fort Benning.Been deployed in South and Central America,
Africa, over in the Middle East. So did that, and I was
with a QRF, a Quick ReactionForce team, so if people got in
trouble, it was our job togo and get them out and that sort
of thing. I was a partof Somalia where I was you know,
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wounded three times over there. Andso anyway, I got out, went
to college in Oklahoma, played alittle baseball there, and then after college
I came back to Nashville, andplayed music professionally for about three years.
What'd you play. I'm a pianoplayer by trade. Yeah, I've been
doing that my whole life. Butand I'm it's weird because you know,
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of course Nashville is a country vibeand all of that. But I grew
up playing a lot of blues,Southern Almond Brothers, that kind of stuff.
Those were my influences. And anyway, when I was on the road,
I would always go out to Coloradoand go elk hunt. And one
year, the year before I gotout of the music business, I had
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called in this bull elk and hadshot him with a recurved bow, and
I thought I was the only personin the world. And I'm down there,
you know, quarnering and skinning thisthing. And I was about six
miles in I was backpacked bow hunting, and this was probably like ninety five,
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maybe ninety six, somewhere in there, and this cowboy rode up on
a horse with like two mules outof nowhere and scared the snot out of
me and ended up being the ownerof one of the largest outfitters in the
country, really is Pike's Peak Outfitters. And he said he'd set up on
the mountain and watched that whole thing, and he goes, you ever want
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a job, call me, Andby Georgie the next year, I've had
enough of the music business, andand so I called him and kind of
escaped out to Colorado and and startedguiding full time. So and you know,
did that in the fall, andthen they also had a wilderness program
and was an instructor there during thesummer and and you know, book tunts
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and that sort of thing. SoI was I was only one of two
guys that were full time there wheneverybody else was seasonal. And so I
spent literally probably three hundred days ayear out you know, in the outside.
So so yeah, and then youknow that brings that brings us to
when when the sighting happened? Really, you know, so, uh,
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before we do go onto that,how did you take Dicky Bett's death?
By the way, Uh, guitaristfor the Almen Brothers. Do you want
me to be honest? Not ahuge Dickey fan. He was the mean
one of the bunch, you know. I got to say, I've never
seen a picture of him smile.Good player, no great player, great
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player, But I mean when you'replaying beside Dwayne Almand. I mean,
does it get much better than Dwayne? Really? But I will say this,
Dicky's a heck of a songwriter anda heck of a player, and
I'm sure that his fans are sad. And of course, you know,
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half of the Allman Brothers are gonenow, but as far as the band
is concerned, most all of themare gone. Really, But I didn't
take it too hard, not whenDicky died. So gosh, well,
you mentioned that's the timely sort ofthing. I wanted to ask about that.
Why had a chance? So okay, so let's get get back to
the big foot thing, which Iguess is important for this podcast before your
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encounter, which we'll get to injust a moment. How much credence or
how much thought ever went into thebig foot thing at all? Was?
He wrote? Zero? It wasjust nonsense, this background garbage noise that
you've been hearing about probably most ofyour life. Never really thought about it,
that's kind of thing. The onlytime that Bigfoot ever came up in
my life. And this is gonnasound bad because I should have probably researched
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this. But when I was akid, maybe twelve thirteen years old.
There was a movie now and thisis y'all might can help me with this.
But I remember in the movie they'dput out like this electric fence out
in the middle of nowhere, andthis thing was breaking all the barriers.
And I had gone to see that, and you know, when I walked
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out of that, I was like, Oh, that's crazy there. You
know, those things don't aren't realwhat you're about. Oh so if I
was so seventy seven, i'd havebeen ten. So probably seventy eight,
seventy nine. Maybe that's a Probablythat Sasquatch one where all the guys going
that that horse train out into thewoods. Get Yes, that's it,
Yeah, that one. What isit? We have a poster of it
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on staves in the museum a Sasquatch. It's called Sasquatch the Legend of Bigfoot.
There you go, yeah, thankyou, Matt Pruitt. Sasquatch the
Legend of Bigfoot. Yeah, nineteensixty eight or something like that, or
I mean nineteen seventy six rather yeah, so yeah, I was like nine,
nine or ten. Yeah, Soanyway, I saw that, and
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you know, had no credence towardsthat at all, like, you know,
I'm in Tennessee. You know that'sit's a big old hoax. And
I don't know that you even reallysee sasquatch in that movie. And so
I never believed in anything like thatever. So you know, even when
I got to the Mountains of Colorado, I just nobody ever brought it up,
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and you know, and I honestlynever thought about it. So well,
then let's let's go into your sighting. What's the context? What were
you doing out there? When wasthis? You know, all that sort
of stuff kind of lead us upto a walk us through it. So
and I'm sorry, I am sounprepared. I did a report right after
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the right after I had the secondsighting, So that report on the BFRO
will tell you. I want tosay. It was like ninety eight.
Maybe I had been guiding for acouple of years, had won Colorado Guide
of the Year the year before,I do remember that, and so we
me and the head guide that summerhad found a spot on the backside of
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PAC's Peak back in the wilderness areathere that summer and had found just a
bunch of elk, and so heand I decided that two weeks prior to
season, we would go in,take a couple of the new guys and
set up some wall tents and youknow, corrals for the horses. Because
it was my horse. It wasprobably about a three and a half four
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hour ride by horse. And sowe'd gone in and you know a couple
of weeks prior to the season,and by that time I had clients that
repeat clients, so they had huntedwith me in years, you know,
a couple of years passed and hehad definitely had repeat clients, and so
we're like, man, let's let'sgive these guys a great hunt. And
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so we took me and him,Bob Gorman. We had we each had
two clients and then we had acook slash, a wrangler. He took
care of the horses and stuff.And so the day the clients get in
we have so four six we hadseven horses and probably eight mules to pack
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everybody stuff in on and all ofthat for a seven day hunt. And
each client had an elk tag andeach client had a deer tag, and
one of my clients actually had abear tag. So we went in that
you know, we went in ona Saturday. We got there Saturday afternoon
and got it. Everybody settled,and you know, the cook did his
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thing and just had a great afternoonand evening riding in. And next morning
we get up and we killed threeelk right away, three bulls, and
we're having like, we're like,holy cow, this is amazing. I
don't know if you've ever done thator not, but when you kill an
elk, it's it's an all dayprocess, really, and so when you
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kill three elk, it's really anall day process. And so you know,
we didn't finish till late at night. And then the next day my
other client who didn't kill he andI went out by ourselves while the rest
of them went meal dier honey,and my client killed a bull that morning
about nine o'clock. Well, sowe start working on that elk and we
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get back, well, the otherthree guys had already killed a mule dinner.
I'm like, holy cow. They'relike, we're having a like the
best time ever, you know.And so anyway, the next morning we
get up and my client kills amule deer and we went back to one
of the gut piles, and thatafternoon he shot a bear. So in
three days we had killed you know, four four deer and a bear.
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I mean, it was just themost amazing thing. And so it was
on a Wednesday, Wednesday or Thursday, and we decided that we were going
to pack the meat out, andwhere the wrench was was close to a
town called Cripple Creek. They're onthe back side of Pike's Pee. And
so we were like, let's let'spack out in the morning or you know,
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whenever. We get everything packed andready to go, and we'll go
back to the ranch. We'll getthe meat hung in the coolers and all
that, and get the hides andthe heads taken care of, and then
we'll go spend a couple of nightsin Cripple Creek and have fun. And
everybody was up for that, andso that's that was the plan. So
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by the time we got off ourgear and everything situated and horses ready and
every you know, meat and headsand all that, by the time we
got ready to go, it wasit was probably one or two o'clock in
the afternoon. And so we're comingback and we're about more than halfway back
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to the trailhead where the trucks andthe horse trailers were at and we're coming
along the side of this mountain andon the trail it does like almost a
ninety degree loop, if you will, like a horse shoe. And so
I'm in the lead. I've gottwo or three pack animals, and then
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we've got the four clients just onhorses, and then we've got the cook
and he's probably got a couple ofpack animals, and then the head gud
Bob was riding drag and he's gotthe rest of the meals. He's got
probably six meals with him. Sowe're in this horseshoe and I get through
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the horseshoe and my horse just startedacting crazy, like he wouldn't go anywhere.
He was like trotting, like justhis front feet, like he was
trying to stemp out something. Andso Bob's on the other side of me,
not fifty yards, and we're lookingat each other and he's like,
what's going on. I said,man must be a bear or a mountain
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lion or something. I said,he smells something, cause I mean I'd
had that horse's and parades and nothingreally bothered that horse. And so Bob's
like, we'll get off and leadhim on up the trail, and so
where we were at it was prettysteep grade right there, and so instead
of getting off on the downhill side, because I'm only five to nine so
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I'm not real tall, so Igot off on the right side of the
horse on the upside of the mountain. And as soon as I got off,
this thing burst between everybody down thisvalley. And I'll be honest with
you, the only thing I reallysaw was like a head and the shoulders,
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and I'm I'm going, is thata bear? Like? What is
that? Is that a bear?And this thing is so fast, so
fast didn't make a noise, likelike you could hear the pine vals like
you know when you're running on them, but like it wasn't any crunching or
any sticks breaking or anything like this. I mean, it was like full
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speed down this mountain. Stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after thesemessages. And so all these guys are
freaking out, and I'm thinking bear, I'm like, is that a bear?
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Like? You know? Because allI could I could barely see over
the saddle where I was at.And so anyway, my horse starts acting
weird. So, you know,twenty thirty seconds, maybe a minute later,
everything kind of calms down. Iget back on my horse and off
we go, and I'm asking Bob. I'm like, man, I've never
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seen a bear do that. AndBob goes, that was no bear.
I'm like, what do you mean? That wasn't no bear. Well,
the clients right away started yelling bigfoot, and I'm like, what bigfoot?
Like, that's not a thing.Come on, that was a bear,
man, No, come on asa bear, and Bob goes, dude,
it was on two legs. AndI'm like, are you kidding me?
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Like, no way. So Iwas still doubting what I saw because
I didn't I didn't get a clear, clean look at it. So anyway,
we get back up to the horsetrailers and the wrangler has the big
horse trailer and then I have ahorse trailer, and then we had somebody
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meet us down there to pick upthe clients. Well, we got every
the clients got picked up, andwe never really had a conversation at all
with them, you know, unloadinghorses and geared meat and all that kind
of stuff, and so it wasjust me and the wrangler and Bob there
and we're getting everything loaded up andthe Wrangler's like, dude, that was
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bigfoot. I'm like, man,there's I said. It's not even real.
Man, Like, come on,And so Bob gets in the truck
with me and we've got probably aboutan hour drive back to where we're going,
and we're going up the mountain andBob's like, man, I've heard
people talk about that thing, butI've never, ever in my life,
ever thought i'd see one. Andhe'd been doing he'd been guiding. He
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was probably in his sixties then,and I mean this guy had been guiding
since he was thirty, so Imean he's got thirty years out there and
had never seen this thing. Andso one of Bob's big things was,
look, when we get back tothe ranch, we don't talk about it.
We like this never happened. AndI'm like, what are you talking
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about? He goes, man,what if it gets out that we saw
a bigfoot? He's like and itgets out like big time. And this
was way before like social media andall that match, right, and so,
and what was I mean back then, we were getting like all the
good write ups and like Western Horsemenand you know bow Hunting magazine, North
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American Hunting Magazine, and so hisbig thing was don't say a word.
I'm like, no worries by me. You know, I'm not gonna say
anything. So I never paid anyattention. And so fast forward almost a
year to the day, almost it'sopening season. So I've got two brothers
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that are coming in from Michigan thathad hunted with me the year before,
and so they had booked another huntwith me. So everybody comes in on
a Saturday, and not that itmatters, but when you're a new guide,
these people show up, you kindof mingle with them. And if
you hit it off with somebody andthey like you and you like them,
that's who you got. Well,I was in a position where I didn't
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have to do that anymore. Ihad to repeat customers, and I knew
who was coming in, and Iknow what they liked and what they didn't
like, that sort of thing,and so you know, I'm just kind
of sitting there at the lodge andI'm mingling with people and I'm waiting for
my guys to get there from theairport. And I get a phone call
from the two brothers saying that theirdad had passed away and that they weren't
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going to be able to make it. And so this was like nine o'clock
at night, and so by thattime all the other clients had been taken.
So here I'm left with not havingany clients for the for the week.
And so I go to the ownerand the head guide and I said,
Hey, do you guys want meto stick around this week? I
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said, I have an elk tagin my pocket. I'd love to go
hunt. And Bob goes, whereare you going to go hunt? I
said, probably down there. Wehad that great hunt last year. And
Bob goes, I don't know ifi'd go down there. I'm like,
come on, man, really,And so anyway, the next morning,
I get up and I go tothe trail head and so I hike in.
You know, I have a backpack, got my bow, and I
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even took a fishing ride because it'sa couple of beaver ponds down there that
have brook troiling in them. Andyou know, I was just going to
do it up for a week andhave fun. And if I'd killed one,
i'd hiked out and come grab myhorse and packed it out, and
it'd been a lot easier you knowthat way. So anyway, I hike
in there that afternoon, and Iget in there, you know, fairly
late in the afternoon, probably threeo'clock or so, because it takes me
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about five hours to get in there, walk in five or six, and
I get in there, and Iset up a tent, and I'm at
the very last beaver pond. Andwhere this place is located, to the
south is this big, huge ridgethat goes on for like two miles.
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It's just solid rock and it's probablya couple thousand feet tall, like the
only way anybody's going up or downthat way. You'd have to be a
professional rock climber to do that.But there's this valley that comes out of
it, and it's meadows with aspenand it's just like the perfect little cubby
hole for elk, and there's lotsof water in there. And so I'm
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at the very last beaver pond andcaught a couple of brookies and cooked those
up, and the elk were bugling, and I mean, it was just
a perfect night. And so Iget up the next morning and make some
coffee, and I hear the elkbugling, and so I go up and
I passed a couple of these beaverponds. Is I'm headed kind of up
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towards the cliffs, and to theright there's an outcrop in there. So
I crawled up on the outcropping andI was gonna wait for the sun to
come up. And during all this, like I said the elk word,
screaming and bugling and doing everything,and I was so excited, like like,
I was having so much fun.And so the sun's starting to come
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up a little bit, and towhere I can use my binoculars. Now,
when you're guiding, binoculars is yournumber one friend. I mean,
if you don't have binoculars, you'reyou're gonna miss so much out there in
that big country that's out there.And so we had become sponsored by all
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these different manufacturers, like you know, we were sponsored by Rocky Boots and
you know, Real Tree camouflage,and but one of our best and biggest
sponsors was Seiss Binoculars. And itwas kind of before Sarovsky had come out
and become big and all that.So Seiss was as good as it gets,
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when you know, it was asgood as it got during that period
or whatever. And so I hada pair of ten by fifty Zeiss and
when you're guiding on just a regularhunt, you were in those binoculars probably
eighty percent of the time, soyou know, and then with all my
training and stuff in the military,there's a way to glass areas and especially
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if you're looking for you know,enemy guys and all that, and it
pertains the same way basically to Honey. So anyway, I'm up on this
out cropping and it's daylight, it'sgetting daylight, and so I hear an
elp bugle, and I would youknow, I'd get my binoculars up and
oh, there he is. He'sthree hundred yards away. And another one
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would bugle, and you know,he's five hundred yards away. And all
in all, there was probably sevenor eight different bulls than this herd of
elk, and they were just scatteredall along this like meadow area. So
anyway, I heard just bugled downby where my tent was, and my
tent was probably about three hundred andfifty four hundred george away, and so
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I just glassed down there and itbugled again, and I realized that he
was closer to me than my tent. So I'm kind of working the glass
back up towards me, and I'mhitting these beaver ponds. You can see
these beaver ponds, and I noticedthis thing in this beaver pine. Like
I said, man, those elkare down there wallowing in those beaver ponds.
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And so I'm, you know,it's right at first light, and
so I'm, you know, I'mreally focused on what's going on down there,
because I could get to those elkfairly quick, you know, if
I wanted to. And so I'mlooking at this beaver pond and then all
of a sudden, this thing raisesup out of this pond and I'm like,
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holy cow, like, what inthe world is this? So then
it gets out of the beaver pond, and right away I'm thinking, Okay,
that's the bigfoot that they're talking about. I'm freaked out inside a little
bit because, I mean, nobody, if you've never seen one, I
mean, you don't know till youknow, right, I mean, I
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don't know how else to explain that. I Mean, you know, we
can say there's aliens, but untilyou see one, you don't know how
you're going to react, especially witha big foot or a sasquatch. So
this thing gets out and he kindof shakes off a little bit, and
man, I am like zooming inon this thing, and he's probably about
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one hundred and fifty yards out,so with ten by fifty s ice like,
I can see this thing blinking,you know. And my first thought
really wasn't you know, oh mygosh, oh my gosh or whatever.
My first thought was, this isa monster. And if he comes at
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you, and I'm hunting with arecurved bow like the Indians used to do,
I'm like, if this thing comesat you, you're gonna have one
shot. That's it. Did youhave a sight on? No? I
still don't even, like, evento this day, I don't carry a
gun in the woods. It's notan ego thing. I've seen too many
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people carry firearms and shoot animals thatthey think they're getting attacked by that.
If you had just used a calmhead, it wouldn't have happened, you
know kind of thing. So I'mnot. I don't claim to be something
I'm not or anything. I justnever have. I mean, I'm holding
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a bow in my hand, soyou know, if I can't get something
to stop by me shooting it withan arrow, you know, and I've
had some close calls, you know, up in Alaska, I had a
close call. I've had one mountainlion experience that was kind of a weird
thing. But you know, inall my years of doing this, I've
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been doing this for over thirty years, and you know, I'm just I've
never put myself in a position towhere I felt like I needed to carry
for arm. So but so anyway, this thing kind of he's kind of
shaking the water off of him.I guess you would say, not like
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a dog, but you know,there's like one arm and then the other
arm. And while he's doing this, I am noticing that, like this
thing is built like anything I've neverseen. Like the forearms were massive,
the hands were massive. I mean, the legs were like like, man,
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you know, looking back in acalm area, I'm like, man,
I wish I had legs like that, you know. I mean,
this thing was just for a reacheror whatever you want to call it.
I mean, this thing was inpeak physical condition. And so I'm sitting
there watching it and he's kind ofturned. I'm I'm sitting facing to the
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to the northeast. That's kind ofwhere he's at but he's facing more north
than east, and he hasn't Idon't he hasn't seen me, at least
I don't think he had. Andhe turns. And when you're when you're
in a when you're in glass likethat ten by fifty binoculars like that,
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when he turns and looks up towardsme, you think he's looking you through
your soul, you know, whenin fact, he's probably looking past me,
or he could have been looking atme. I don't know, but
through the binoculars, it was likehe was looking through my soul. But
he didn't look he didn't look scarythough, I mean, he looked to
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me more man like. Then youknow, people describe gorillas or whatever.
And we'll get back to Keith Foster, because he did a drawing that was
just amazing. I mean it wasso spot on. And so I'm sitting
here and this thing doesn't appear tobe a threat to me, and so
I kind of you know, I'mat a twelve, and so now I'm
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at like a ten, and I'mthinking strategy more than anything else, Like
if he comes at me, whatare you gonna do? Da da da
da that kind of thing, andbut I'm getting to watch him and he's
just middling around this beaver pond,and you know, I watched him mess
with his face, like he touchedhis face. I'm watching his eyes blink,
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you know. At one time hereached down to get like a clump
of mud off his leg, whichwas kind of different. And so then
he turns and he walks north towardsmy camp, and he's having to go
up this hill, and so hegets kind of cross side heeling, if
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you will, and he gets abouteven with my tent, and he squats
down like he's using the bathroom,and he's looking right at my camp and
he's just sitting there and he's watchingmy tent. And so I've already decided
that once he crosses that hill,I'm going to give it about ten minutes.
If he doesn't come back, I'mgoing to go down there and grab
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my gear and I'm getting out,because I mean, he was scary enough
that I didn't want to be inthere by myself with him. I don't
care how many Elko's in there.Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo will be right backafter these messages. So Anyway, he
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sat there probably about two or threeminutes, and he gets ups and he
goes up and over the hill.And so, like I said, I
waited ten or fifteen minutes, andI crawled down off that rock that I
was on, and I ran downto my camp and I quickly packed it.
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And it took me about five orsix hours to get in there,
and it took me about three anda half to get out. So I
basically ran or jogged all the wayback to the car or the truck,
and so yeah, I mean thewhole episode of seeing this thing was probably
about ten minutes long. And onceI get back to the vehicle, of
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course, coming out of there,I was totally paranoid, like it's this
thing following me, Like you knowwhat happens he jumps out blah blah blah,
and so you know, this totalstate of paranoia hiking out of there
and running and you know, justalmost killing myself to get out. And
so I get to the truck andimmediately I go to the ranch and it's
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probably gosh, I don't know,it's probably around lunchtime, maybe at one
o'clock, and so everybody's out hunting, like there's no guides there, there's
no clients there, but the ownerwas there, Gary Jordan, and I
go into Gary's office and he's like, man, did you kill one?
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Did you come to get the horses? And I'm like no, Gary,
I said, you know that thingthat happened to us last year with me
and Bob and the coat, Andhe goes, yeah, I said,
I saw this thing up close.And he goes, what are you talking
about. I said, I watchedhim for ten minutes this morning and he's
like, no, you didn't.He goes, it was a bear.
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I said, Gary, I havehow many bears have I got it on?
I had up to that point,I'd killed probably me personally, had
probably killed like five bears, butI had got it on probably twenty five
or thirty by that time. SoI know what a bear is, you
know. And that's what I'm tellingGary. I'm like, that was no
bear, man. I'm like that, I don't know what it is,
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you know. And like I said, I'd never researched sasquatch or Bigfoot,
didn't have any knowledge of any ofthat, and so I didn't have anything
like nowadays you hear people go,well, it's a mix between a man
and an ape or a monkey orsomething. I didn't have that. I
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was like, it was one ofthe best built men, Harry people that
And I came up with like Neanderthal, because that's what I think of Neanderthal
would look like. And that's whatI told Gary, and Gary goes,
well, he goes, you're obviouslyshook. And I had an apartment down
in Colorado Springs at the time,and he goes, you need to go
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home and spend a couple of daysand come on back up here Friday night
and let's get back on the saddleand start guiding again. I'm like,
okay. So I go down there, and I do have a computer at
the time, and I get onthere and I google Bigfoot or Sasquatch,
and I start seeing all this stuff. And it's the first time of me
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seeing the Patty film. And thisthing looked a lot like Patty, except
the mail version. And because itwas a mail and so anyway, I
come across the BFRO website. Didn'tknow they even had a thing like that,
and it said, hey, ifyou've had a sighting or whatever,
please tell us. So I satthere for like two hours typing, and
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I would like, you know,like I'm going, is this too much
information? Not enough information? Youknow, blah blah blah whatever. And
it's on like a Wednesday. No, it's not even that. It's on
like a Monday or Tuesday. Andso I write my story and tell what
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happened, you know, both accounts, the first one and then this last
one, and I write on thereyou know, this happened yesterday. And
I submitted it. Well, withinlike less than an hour, I get
a call from Matt Moneymaker. Ohhow was that? I had no clue
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who he was. Like, hegoes, hi, am Matt Moneymaker and
you know President bf R own Boom, and he goes, tell me about
your story. And I'm like,okay, you know, and he's like,
can we if I get a guysout there, can you know,
can we come and look? AndI'm like, I said, well,
I'm a full time guy, andI said, if you got somebody out
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here that the only way I'd dothat is if they came in the next
day or two. Well, byGeorge, that night, I get a
phone call and to my for mylife, I can't think of the name
of these two guys. One ofthem's name was Jim and maybe y'all can
help me with this. But heand I don't know if he was just
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telling me a story or what,but he had said that he at one
time he had set like the highestaltitude sky diving record or something, and
his name was Jeff something. Itook him in there and we looked around,
and sure enough, we found printsaround that beaver pond. And up
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until a couple of years ago,I actually had a copy of that casting
and or had the original cast reallyand through a divorce and all that and
moving, I have no idea whereit's at. But so anyway, so
that happened, and shortly after that, man I started getting phone calls from
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all kinds of people. And whatwas one of the weirdest things that happened
to me was I get a callfrom this guy like I didn't and he
goes, hey, is your addressblah blah blah blah, and I'm going
yeah, he goes, good,at four o'clock today, you're going to
receive a package. He goes,I'll see you there at like five o'clock.
I'm like, who are you?He goes, I got this coming
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to you. He goes, Igot to know if this is what you
saw. And it was the originalcopy of I want to say, Memorial
Day footage where the people were inthe boat and the and the bigfoot runs
across the side hill and then jumpsthat big gully. It was that footage.
And I'm going, well, whoare you, like, where did
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you like, are you CIA orFBI or something? You know, because
I've worked with those guys when Iwas, you know, in the military.
I'm like, this is some CIAFBI stuff going on here. And
so he actually I told him,I said, man, I don't have
a VCR. He said, hebrought a VCR with him and we hooked
it up to my TV and watchedit. And I'm going, well,
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the one I saw wasn't quite asbig as that. I mean, the
one I saw was probably like sevenfoot maybe. I mean, he wouldn't
know. It wasn't like ten twelvefoot or whatever something like that. He
wasn't. I mean, seven foot'spretty big. But I mean this dude,
this thing I saw was just jackedup. I mean just every part
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of his body was just muscled up. And so when this thing jumped that
gully, I was like, Icould totally believe that, and he goes,
what do you mean, I said, the way these things are built,
I said, I said, hecould have probably jumped up on that
rock outcome cropping and ate me foryou know, breakfast that morning, and
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just the way he was built.And so after that, I really,
I never really had any more interaction. It didn't really change the way I
felt in the woods. And Ithink the reason being is that, for
lack of a better word, wasa peaceful encounter. You know, I
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didn't feel like this thing was goingto eat me or tear me apart or
any of that. And you know, and I was fascinated by how it
looked and all that. But youknow, weeks and months following that,
I kept thinking that, you know, that thing probably watched me walk right
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by him, because I followed thatseries of beaver ponds going up to that
rock out cropping, and so thatkind of set me on edge a little
bit. But you know, Inever had any ill will or bad feelings
or you know, anything like thattowards towards what I saw, and so
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you know, I carried on asnormal. You know, I still guided,
I still hunted, but hoping thatmaybe i'd see another one something,
you know, because it was justcool. So now I'm not going to
tell you that coming out of amountain, you know, and you're six
miles from your vehicle and your ownfoot and it's dark, you don't think
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about that because you do. Butyou know, as far as ever being
scared or you know, beyond beingable to do whatever, and just never
happened for me. So well,at the end of the day, I
mean, if they're real, theywere real before you saw them too,
So what why should anything change?Right? Could you describe how it moved
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asarng as you said, it shook, It shook itself dry when it got
out of the water. Yeah,you know, so like when you get
out of the shower, you knowhow you might take say the right arm
and you and you kind of brushyour left arm just to get the excess
water off. Yea, it's kindof like that. Was it just to
the arms or did it do it'sall over the body too. He kind
of like from the shoulder to probablythe mid forearm. He kind of did
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that, and then he did itlike where his belly would be like there,
and he like his thighs and thenhe bent down and was picking like
I assumed it was a clump ofdirt or mud or something since he had
been in that beaver pond, andlike he was picking something off his leg,
like mud or or something like that. And so that's that was the
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when he got out of the beaverpond there. How about the eyes you
said you saw the you saw theeyes through the did Yeah? I don't
know if you did. I did. I send you a copy or a
photograph, Matt, of the drawingthat Keith did. No, I don't
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have that, but I'm going totry to search for it right now while
we're talking to it, and I'llsend it to you. Oh that'd be
great. Yeah. So, Imean this thing, it looked ninety eight
percent human to me, with theexception that it had a lot of hair.
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So I mean, it kind ofhad like a everybody says a crowned
head like, but it was itwas more like a domed kind of rounded
head. His nose was almost likethat of a person, you know,
a little flatter against his against hisface. But his lips were I mean,
can you use the word normal,but I mean they were normal for
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what I was looking at. Iguess. And the eyes just looked they
looked like our eyes, really,I mean, you know they there wasn't
anything crazy about on. Could yousee the whites there? No? I
couldn't. No, I didn't seeit that good. But I couldn't tell
when it was blinking because the wholeforehead would move when he blinked. So
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did it blink like a human likeI've heard they don't blink very much compared
to humans like they they don't blinkhis office A lot of people have reported
did you notice that? No?I mean as far as how many times
he blinked or whatever, not really, but I do recall that he blinked.
And the reason I do is becausehe had like this above his eyes
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was like a brow line kind ofthing, but it wasn't like huge,
But when he did blink, thatbrow line would move and you can see
that, And so that's that's howI know he was blinking like fat.
There was fat up in there,not just like the bony brow. It
was like like a fat depositive orsomething. You think maybe, I mean,
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you ever seen those old guys thathave like the unibrow kind of kind
of look like that, except itprotruded a little bit, So you know,
I don't know if that was justlike a unibrow kind of thing where
if that was a part of hisyou know, muscular makeup. I'm not
sure, but I do know thatwhen he blinked, that whole section moved,
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and you know, I didn't noticethat he didn't have much of a
neck on him. How is thebody proportions like limb legs and comparison,
like a human was like longer hislegs, and his arms weren't proportional to
his body, like his arms werelonger than normal. I don't know that
they came down to his knees,but they definitely hung lower than what a
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person's would. But I could tellthat like his torso was the bigger part
because his legs were so massive,like just so massive, and so his
legs were smaller than the rest ofhis body. I guess is the best
way to say that. I don'tknow any way describe that, I guess.
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So I guess his torso from hiswaist up was bigger or taller than
from the waist down. So Idon't know if that makes the arms look
different or not. So stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and beyond with clipp and
Bobo will be right back after thesemessages. The hands big hands, and
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I mean full on massive, massivehands, because I noticed his hand when
he reached down to pick whatever wason his leg. Off, I noticed
that his hand like was as bigas his leg, if that makes sense,
Like it was huge. Did itseem proportional to the size of the
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body or is it a bigger inproportion or smaller in proportion? I think
it was proportional. I do thinkthey were probably proportional, because I mean
this thing, I mean even makinga reference to like I don't know the
body of the actor of Arnold Schwarzeninger. Yeah, thank you Arnold's I mean,
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as far as his physicality was,he was all that and then so
like had you know, I couldn'tactually see the six pack, you know,
abs, but I mean you couldtell that it was just built.
I mean, this thing was justbuilt to live there. It was it
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was unreal. How about hairlict andcoloration. So he was between like so
when the when he when he didthat side, he'll he kind of got
up into where the sun was finallycresting over the mountain a little bit and
up until that point he looked brownto me. But then when he hit
the sunshine, the sunlight a littlebit, it kind of almost had like
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a reddish tint to it. SoI don't know if that was just the
sun reflecting off his brown hair.But the hair was pretty proportional. I
mean, you know, it wasn'tlike long, stragglely something crazy like you
see in some of these movies.I mean, it was pretty I don't
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want to use the word man orgroomed, but I mean, you know,
his face probably had maybe an inchor half inch hair, and his
head probably the same, and thenaround his neck was had like a almost
like a maine kind of like youcould his hair started getting longer at his
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in his chest, in his arms, and so his hands were didn't have
any hair on at all, likeyou know, especially the palm of his
hand had no hair at all.So and it was it was like a
and I haven't thought about this inforever, but I remember it was like
a baseball, mit is what itlooked like to me. What color was
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the skin almost like a almost likea grayish black color, more gray,
I think, so it was likea weathered I remember it being like this
weathered look. I've heard reports ofpeople who have said, I've spoken to
people actually who like yourself, whohad seen them very close or through binoculars
or something like that, and theycommented about how the face look weathered.
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They did use the weather just likeyou did, but they also use things
like wrinkled and old, leathery,and like, did they have any of
that kind of characteristic to it,like in desperate need of moisturizer? Yeah,
no, because he, the oneI saw, had like quite a
bit of hair on his face.The only place void of hair was kind
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of around his lips, in hisnose, and then the rest of it,
you know, was pretty hairy.But it was weird because it looked
almost groomed, like if he'd goneif you'd gone to a barber and had
it shaved to a certain length orsomething. But what what I looked at
didn't appear to be old at all. No, I sent Matt the picture.
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I mean, that's exactly what whatyou're looking at is exactly what I
saw exactly. I mean, soif you look at that picture, I
mean, I don't know if youcould age that or not. I mean,
thirties forties I mean not old enoughto be like an old withered man
kind of thing, you know.And for the people listening who are members,
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I guess we'll go ahead and putthat on the on the Patreon.
Is that right foru? It?Yeah, I'll post that there and yeah,
Bobo, I sent it to thegroup. Text oh, text email,
Jeff, you mentioned earlier when youfirst put your eyes on this thing,
you were actually looking for an elkbugling? Was there was there an
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elk in the area or was thething making that noise? No, there
was elk, because there was elkeverywhere. There must have been. Yeah,
there must have been probably, andI don't want to exaggerate, but
at least seventy five to one hundredelk in that little valley. Wow.
Yeah. So I can't say thathe was making that noise because i'd heard
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all kinds elk that morning and actuallyhad glassed up two or three that were
bugling. So I was just upthere trying to figure out which one I
was about to go after. Sodo you have photographs of the original cast
that you mentioned? I don't.I don't have any, but you know,
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I think I think my sister mighthave one, because I moved back
to Nashville for a short stint,and I had it sitting on a coffee
table, and she took a picturewith it. So I'll get with her
and see if she has it,and if it does, I'll certainly afford
it to you guys. But Iremember the dimensions of it, so it
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was it was probably somewhere between sixteenand eighteen inches long, and it was
the width of my hand and thensome so probably I'm guessing four or five
inches wide. Made me. You'rethe perfect guy to ask. I mean,
boat hunters, and you're a guy, so you've chopped up tons of
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animals. If you think it's sevenfoot tall, how much you think it
weighed? That's a great question.So the way the way I would probably
approach that is, we know ShaquilleO'Neill is seven to right, and Shaquille
probably weighs three hundred three h fivesomething like that. Maybe I'm guessing this
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thing was probably because of how muscularit was, because you know, muscle
weighs more than fat. Anyway,I'm guessing, if I had to be
accurate, probably somewhere between three fiftyand five hundred, because Shack's about three
fifty. Yeah, so then thisthing probably had to be at least you
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know, four to five hundred.Then there's no way at weighed eight one
hundred or one thousand pounds. Ijust that'd be hard to say for me,
but I'm guessing probably on the highend, probably five hundreds after the
sighting and and the realization, afteryour two sightings, and your realization that
like, oh they smoked, thesethings are actually out there, These things
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are real. I have looking backat your previous guide experience and all the
time you spent in the mountains,do you think you might have ever been
close to one before that and youjust didn't know because they weren't on the
radar? You know what? Ido think I have and it's only one
one or two occasions because somebody elsehad asked me that. So when you're
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when you're hunting elk, elk putout a smell that you can if there's
especially if there's a bunch of themduring the mating season, a bull elk
will will urinate on himself and andhe'll get in what we call walls,
which is they dig out of andit'll kind of that has water, and
they'll make mud out of it,and they'll get in there and they'll coat
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themselves in this mud because an elkwill spend more time. A lot of
people don't know this, but elkaspend more time trying to stay cool than
he will anything else. And soby kicking himself with his mud and all
that, it helps him stay cool. And so during the mating season,
what an elk do. He'll getin there and he'll start wallowing and doing
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all that. And while he's doingthat, he'll urinate in the mud on
himself. And so when the rutoccurs, it usually goes on somewhere between
anywhere from twenty five to forty dayslong. So you're thinking that this thing
is doing this, you know,at two or three four times a day,
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and so that creates a smell.So it gives you that musky smell.
And so a lot of times whenyou're hunting and you're down when of
an elk, you can smell longbefore you ever seen them. And there
had been a couple times that thestitch has come over us and you're going,
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that's not like, man, thatis the grossest smelling elk I've ever
smelled, you know, And inthe back of your mind going, you
know that don't even smell like anelk, and so so not knowing one
hundred percent, you know, ifI had, I would say probably,
just because I think I've smelled thembefore. So yeah, probably. Did
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you talk about finding that gutted orfemale elk the cowk that was gutted that
you didn't see the actual antle thatyou heard it? Yeah, I was
gonna say, like, there's there'ssome really cool stuff that happened in the
aftermath of all that that I thinkwould be great for the member section that
involved some of those things and sometracks and some sounds that I think you
guys would love to hear, andI know our members would too. All
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right, well why do we dothat? Then? Why don't we skid
out all over to the member Becauseif there's follow up things and other unusual
finds and observations in the area,I'd like to hear about those, and
I'm sure our members would as well, And of course are any of our
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com website, hit the membership link, and then I'll tell you everything you
need to know. All right,folks, Well, thanks a lot of
Jeff Desich for joining us. It'sreally important you know that we have,
you know, qualified eyewitnesses. Imean disguis. I mean we're talking about
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a guy that's one outfit of theYear for Colorado. I mean, so
this guy's an expert. So Iappreciate his uh an applaud his candor and
honesty and bravery to come forward.So thank you, Jeff, and until
next week, y'all keep it squatching. Thanks for listening to this week's episode
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(00:29):
James Boobo Fay, Hey Bobs,how you doing? Man? All right?
How are you doing? Cliff?Pretty good? Pretty good, Just
cruising along at the end of myday, doing a podcast with some of
my best friends. So everything's lookingdown. Guys, who's that Matt Pruitt
and Bobo of course? All right, Hey Bobs, we're pretty excited.
(00:50):
Why don't you let's get us intothe guests. Man, this is too
good to talk anything else about.Yeah, I've heard of this guys.
Uh, you know, I heardabout him for a while ago, but
I don't remember the details ory thing. But yeah, our illustrious producer Matt
Pruitt actually got in touch with himand it was pretty shocking to hear that's
who that. When I heard hesaid he got ahold of him, I
(01:11):
was like, Wow, that's nuts. So Matt tell us tell us how
you got ahold of him? Yeah, it was really funny. One of
our beloved members. One of ourPatreon members had reached out to me and
said, hey, I understand youknow, we live in the same town.
We should meet up and have lunchtalk squatch. And no one's ever
accused me of not talking enough,so I was like, oh, I
had an opportunity to go talk,you know. So we're hanging out and
(01:33):
making small talk. And I'd askedhim like, what got you into interested
in the subject, and he said, well, I was always kind of
interested. But I met a guyhere in Nashville who had seen one and
I was like, well, that'scool, and he said yeah, he
was actually an elk hunter and aguide in Colorado. And I was like,
oh, that's really interesting and hesaid yeah, he watched it through
binoculars for a few minutes, andI immediately recognized the story because I was
(01:56):
always a big fan of the writingsof a researcher from Kansas named Keith Foster,
and he actually worked with a numberof elk hunters and people that were
prominent in that community in Colorado toput together a lot of information about Sasquatch
sidings there. And then there wasa journalist for the Denver Post named Theo
Stein who had written this. SoI immediately I just took a chance with
this guy and I said, Hey, is this friend of yours? Is
(02:19):
his name Jeff die Singer? Andhe was like, yeah, how did
you know that? And I waslike, I got a pretty good memory
man for sasquatch related stuff, andso to learn that he lived here in
the same area as I do,I reached out and we had a great
conversation, and I thought, we'vegot to get him on the podcast.
And so I know you guys aresomewhat familiar with the story, but I'm
going to let Jeff tell it,so you guys can host the conversation and
(02:44):
I'm all here for it. Allright, good score pro So welcome Jeff,
thanks so much for coming on.Hey, thank you guys, Hey,
Joe, Hey, Bobo. Iwill say this to just begin that
I have never done a podcast onthis ever. I've done a bunch of
(03:04):
podcast on elk hunting and backcountry bowhunting and and shooting professional archery but in
the military stuff, but I've neverdone this, so so this will be
a first for me. Yeah,us too, We've never had you on
this. It'll be great. Yeah, this will be fund you condense your
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like what you usually say on aon a podcast about hunting, kind of
kind of gave us a prettif inchon you like what your what your qualifications
in the woods are. Sure.I grew up here in middle Tennessee,
small town, grew up hunting,uh, you know, mostly small game,
that kind of stuff. Grew uphunting a place that y'all are probably
(03:47):
familiar with. I heard of calledLand between the Lakes. Never once in
my life have I ever thought aboutBigfoot, especially all the time I spent
down there as a kid. Andthen, you know, after high school,
I went to the military. Iwas a part of the seventy fifth
(04:08):
Special Forces out of Fort Benning.Been deployed in South and Central America,
Africa, over in the Middle East. So did that, and I was
with a QRF, a Quick ReactionForce team, so if people got in
trouble, it was our job togo and get them out and that sort
of thing. I was a partof Somalia where I was you know,
(04:30):
wounded three times over there. Andso anyway, I got out, went
to college in Oklahoma, played alittle baseball there, and then after college
I came back to Nashville, andplayed music professionally for about three years.
What'd you play. I'm a pianoplayer by trade. Yeah, I've been
doing that my whole life. Butand I'm it's weird because you know,
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of course Nashville is a country vibeand all of that. But I grew
up playing a lot of blues,Southern Almond Brothers, that kind of stuff.
Those were my influences. And anyway, when I was on the road,
I would always go out to Coloradoand go elk hunt. And one
year, the year before I gotout of the music business, I had
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called in this bull elk and hadshot him with a recurved bow, and
I thought I was the only personin the world. And I'm down there,
you know, quarnering and skinning thisthing. And I was about six
miles in I was backpacked bow hunting, and this was probably like ninety five,
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maybe ninety six, somewhere in there, and this cowboy rode up on
a horse with like two mules outof nowhere and scared the snot out of
me and ended up being the ownerof one of the largest outfitters in the
country, really is Pike's Peak Outfitters. And he said he'd set up on
the mountain and watched that whole thing, and he goes, you ever want
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a job, call me, Andby Georgie the next year, I've had
enough of the music business, andand so I called him and kind of
escaped out to Colorado and and startedguiding full time. So and you know,
did that in the fall, andthen they also had a wilderness program
and was an instructor there during thesummer and and you know, book tunts
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and that sort of thing. SoI was I was only one of two
guys that were full time there wheneverybody else was seasonal. And so I
spent literally probably three hundred days ayear out you know, in the outside.
So so yeah, and then youknow that brings that brings us to
when when the sighting happened? Really, you know, so, uh,
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before we do go onto that,how did you take Dicky Bett's death?
By the way, Uh, guitaristfor the Almen Brothers. Do you want
me to be honest? Not ahuge Dickey fan. He was the mean
one of the bunch, you know. I got to say, I've never
seen a picture of him smile.Good player, no great player, great
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player, But I mean when you'replaying beside Dwayne Almand. I mean,
does it get much better than Dwayne? Really? But I will say this,
Dicky's a heck of a songwriter anda heck of a player, and
I'm sure that his fans are sad. And of course, you know,
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half of the Allman Brothers are gonenow, but as far as the band
is concerned, most all of themare gone. Really, But I didn't
take it too hard, not whenDicky died. So gosh, well,
you mentioned that's the timely sort ofthing. I wanted to ask about that.
Why had a chance? So okay, so let's get get back to
the big foot thing, which Iguess is important for this podcast before your
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encounter, which we'll get to injust a moment. How much credence or
how much thought ever went into thebig foot thing at all? Was?
He wrote? Zero? It wasjust nonsense, this background garbage noise that
you've been hearing about probably most ofyour life. Never really thought about it,
that's kind of thing. The onlytime that Bigfoot ever came up in
my life. And this is gonnasound bad because I should have probably researched
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this. But when I was akid, maybe twelve thirteen years old.
There was a movie now and thisis y'all might can help me with this.
But I remember in the movie they'dput out like this electric fence out
in the middle of nowhere, andthis thing was breaking all the barriers.
And I had gone to see that, and you know, when I walked
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out of that, I was like, Oh, that's crazy there. You
know, those things don't aren't realwhat you're about. Oh so if I
was so seventy seven, i'd havebeen ten. So probably seventy eight,
seventy nine. Maybe that's a Probablythat Sasquatch one where all the guys going
that that horse train out into thewoods. Get Yes, that's it,
Yeah, that one. What isit? We have a poster of it
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on staves in the museum a Sasquatch. It's called Sasquatch the Legend of Bigfoot.
There you go, yeah, thankyou, Matt Pruitt. Sasquatch the
Legend of Bigfoot. Yeah, nineteensixty eight or something like that, or
I mean nineteen seventy six rather yeah, so yeah, I was like nine,
nine or ten. Yeah, Soanyway, I saw that, and
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you know, had no credence towardsthat at all, like, you know,
I'm in Tennessee. You know that'sit's a big old hoax. And
I don't know that you even reallysee sasquatch in that movie. And so
I never believed in anything like thatever. So you know, even when
I got to the Mountains of Colorado, I just nobody ever brought it up,
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and you know, and I honestlynever thought about it. So well,
then let's let's go into your sighting. What's the context? What were
you doing out there? When wasthis? You know, all that sort
of stuff kind of lead us upto a walk us through it. So
and I'm sorry, I am sounprepared. I did a report right after
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the right after I had the secondsighting, So that report on the BFRO
will tell you. I want tosay. It was like ninety eight.
Maybe I had been guiding for acouple of years, had won Colorado Guide
of the Year the year before,I do remember that, and so we
me and the head guide that summerhad found a spot on the backside of
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PAC's Peak back in the wilderness areathere that summer and had found just a
bunch of elk, and so heand I decided that two weeks prior to
season, we would go in,take a couple of the new guys and
set up some wall tents and youknow, corrals for the horses. Because
it was my horse. It wasprobably about a three and a half four
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hour ride by horse. And sowe'd gone in and you know a couple
of weeks prior to the season,and by that time I had clients that
repeat clients, so they had huntedwith me in years, you know,
a couple of years passed and hehad definitely had repeat clients, and so
we're like, man, let's let'sgive these guys a great hunt. And
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so we took me and him,Bob Gorman. We had we each had
two clients and then we had acook slash, a wrangler. He took
care of the horses and stuff.And so the day the clients get in
we have so four six we hadseven horses and probably eight mules to pack
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everybody stuff in on and all ofthat for a seven day hunt. And
each client had an elk tag andeach client had a deer tag, and
one of my clients actually had abear tag. So we went in that
you know, we went in ona Saturday. We got there Saturday afternoon
and got it. Everybody settled,and you know, the cook did his
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thing and just had a great afternoonand evening riding in. And next morning
we get up and we killed threeelk right away, three bulls, and
we're having like, we're like,holy cow, this is amazing. I
don't know if you've ever done thator not, but when you kill an
elk, it's it's an all dayprocess, really, and so when you
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kill three elk, it's really anall day process. And so you know,
we didn't finish till late at night. And then the next day my
other client who didn't kill he andI went out by ourselves while the rest
of them went meal dier honey,and my client killed a bull that morning
about nine o'clock. Well, sowe start working on that elk and we
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get back, well, the otherthree guys had already killed a mule dinner.
I'm like, holy cow. They'relike, we're having a like the
best time ever, you know.And so anyway, the next morning we
get up and my client kills amule deer and we went back to one
of the gut piles, and thatafternoon he shot a bear. So in
three days we had killed you know, four four deer and a bear.
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I mean, it was just themost amazing thing. And so it was
on a Wednesday, Wednesday or Thursday, and we decided that we were going
to pack the meat out, andwhere the wrench was was close to a
town called Cripple Creek. They're onthe back side of Pike's Pee. And
so we were like, let's let'spack out in the morning or you know,
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whenever. We get everything packed andready to go, and we'll go
back to the ranch. We'll getthe meat hung in the coolers and all
that, and get the hides andthe heads taken care of, and then
we'll go spend a couple of nightsin Cripple Creek and have fun. And
everybody was up for that, andso that's that was the plan. So
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by the time we got off ourgear and everything situated and horses ready and
every you know, meat and headsand all that, by the time we
got ready to go, it wasit was probably one or two o'clock in
the afternoon. And so we're comingback and we're about more than halfway back
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to the trailhead where the trucks andthe horse trailers were at and we're coming
along the side of this mountain andon the trail it does like almost a
ninety degree loop, if you will, like a horse shoe. And so
I'm in the lead. I've gottwo or three pack animals, and then
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we've got the four clients just onhorses, and then we've got the cook
and he's probably got a couple ofpack animals, and then the head gud
Bob was riding drag and he's gotthe rest of the meals. He's got
probably six meals with him. Sowe're in this horseshoe and I get through
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the horseshoe and my horse just startedacting crazy, like he wouldn't go anywhere.
He was like trotting, like justhis front feet, like he was
trying to stemp out something. Andso Bob's on the other side of me,
not fifty yards, and we're lookingat each other and he's like,
what's going on. I said,man must be a bear or a mountain
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lion or something. I said,he smells something, cause I mean I'd
had that horse's and parades and nothingreally bothered that horse. And so Bob's
like, we'll get off and leadhim on up the trail, and so
where we were at it was prettysteep grade right there, and so instead
of getting off on the downhill side, because I'm only five to nine so
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I'm not real tall, so Igot off on the right side of the
horse on the upside of the mountain. And as soon as I got off,
this thing burst between everybody down thisvalley. And I'll be honest with
you, the only thing I reallysaw was like a head and the shoulders,
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and I'm I'm going, is thata bear? Like? What is
that? Is that a bear?And this thing is so fast, so
fast didn't make a noise, likelike you could hear the pine vals like
you know when you're running on them, but like it wasn't any crunching or
any sticks breaking or anything like this. I mean, it was like full
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speed down this mountain. Stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after thesemessages. And so all these guys are
freaking out, and I'm thinking bear, I'm like, is that a bear?
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Like? You know? Because allI could I could barely see over
the saddle where I was at.And so anyway, my horse starts acting
weird. So, you know,twenty thirty seconds, maybe a minute later,
everything kind of calms down. Iget back on my horse and off
we go, and I'm asking Bob. I'm like, man, I've never
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seen a bear do that. AndBob goes, that was no bear.
I'm like, what do you mean? That wasn't no bear. Well,
the clients right away started yelling bigfoot, and I'm like, what bigfoot?
Like, that's not a thing.Come on, that was a bear,
man, No, come on asa bear, and Bob goes, dude,
it was on two legs. AndI'm like, are you kidding me?
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Like, no way. So Iwas still doubting what I saw because
I didn't I didn't get a clear, clean look at it. So anyway,
we get back up to the horsetrailers and the wrangler has the big
horse trailer and then I have ahorse trailer, and then we had somebody
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meet us down there to pick upthe clients. Well, we got every
the clients got picked up, andwe never really had a conversation at all
with them, you know, unloadinghorses and geared meat and all that kind
of stuff, and so it wasjust me and the wrangler and Bob there
and we're getting everything loaded up andthe Wrangler's like, dude, that was
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bigfoot. I'm like, man,there's I said. It's not even real.
Man, Like, come on,And so Bob gets in the truck
with me and we've got probably aboutan hour drive back to where we're going,
and we're going up the mountain andBob's like, man, I've heard
people talk about that thing, butI've never, ever in my life,
ever thought i'd see one. Andhe'd been doing he'd been guiding. He
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was probably in his sixties then,and I mean this guy had been guiding
since he was thirty, so Imean he's got thirty years out there and
had never seen this thing. Andso one of Bob's big things was,
look, when we get back tothe ranch, we don't talk about it.
We like this never happened. AndI'm like, what are you talking
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about? He goes, man,what if it gets out that we saw
a bigfoot? He's like and itgets out like big time. And this
was way before like social media andall that match, right, and so,
and what was I mean back then, we were getting like all the
good write ups and like Western Horsemenand you know bow Hunting magazine, North
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American Hunting Magazine, and so hisbig thing was don't say a word.
I'm like, no worries by me. You know, I'm not gonna say
anything. So I never paid anyattention. And so fast forward almost a
year to the day, almost it'sopening season. So I've got two brothers
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that are coming in from Michigan thathad hunted with me the year before,
and so they had booked another huntwith me. So everybody comes in on
a Saturday, and not that itmatters, but when you're a new guide,
these people show up, you kindof mingle with them. And if
you hit it off with somebody andthey like you and you like them,
that's who you got. Well,I was in a position where I didn't
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have to do that anymore. Ihad to repeat customers, and I knew
who was coming in, and Iknow what they liked and what they didn't
like, that sort of thing,and so you know, I'm just kind
of sitting there at the lodge andI'm mingling with people and I'm waiting for
my guys to get there from theairport. And I get a phone call
from the two brothers saying that theirdad had passed away and that they weren't
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going to be able to make it. And so this was like nine o'clock
at night, and so by thattime all the other clients had been taken.
So here I'm left with not havingany clients for the for the week.
And so I go to the ownerand the head guide and I said,
Hey, do you guys want meto stick around this week? I
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said, I have an elk tagin my pocket. I'd love to go
hunt. And Bob goes, whereare you going to go hunt? I
said, probably down there. Wehad that great hunt last year. And
Bob goes, I don't know ifi'd go down there. I'm like,
come on, man, really,And so anyway, the next morning,
I get up and I go tothe trail head and so I hike in.
You know, I have a backpack, got my bow, and I
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even took a fishing ride because it'sa couple of beaver ponds down there that
have brook troiling in them. Andyou know, I was just going to
do it up for a week andhave fun. And if I'd killed one,
i'd hiked out and come grab myhorse and packed it out, and
it'd been a lot easier you knowthat way. So anyway, I hike
in there that afternoon, and Iget in there, you know, fairly
late in the afternoon, probably threeo'clock or so, because it takes me
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about five hours to get in there, walk in five or six, and
I get in there, and Iset up a tent, and I'm at
the very last beaver pond. Andwhere this place is located, to the
south is this big, huge ridgethat goes on for like two miles.
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It's just solid rock and it's probablya couple thousand feet tall, like the
only way anybody's going up or downthat way. You'd have to be a
professional rock climber to do that.But there's this valley that comes out of
it, and it's meadows with aspenand it's just like the perfect little cubby
hole for elk, and there's lotsof water in there. And so I'm
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at the very last beaver pond andcaught a couple of brookies and cooked those
up, and the elk were bugling, and I mean, it was just
a perfect night. And so Iget up the next morning and make some
coffee, and I hear the elkbugling, and so I go up and
I passed a couple of these beaverponds. Is I'm headed kind of up
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towards the cliffs, and to theright there's an outcrop in there. So
I crawled up on the outcropping andI was gonna wait for the sun to
come up. And during all this, like I said the elk word,
screaming and bugling and doing everything,and I was so excited, like like,
I was having so much fun.And so the sun's starting to come
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up a little bit, and towhere I can use my binoculars. Now,
when you're guiding, binoculars is yournumber one friend. I mean,
if you don't have binoculars, you'reyou're gonna miss so much out there in
that big country that's out there.And so we had become sponsored by all
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these different manufacturers, like you know, we were sponsored by Rocky Boots and
you know, Real Tree camouflage,and but one of our best and biggest
sponsors was Seiss Binoculars. And itwas kind of before Sarovsky had come out
and become big and all that.So Seiss was as good as it gets,
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when you know, it was asgood as it got during that period
or whatever. And so I hada pair of ten by fifty Zeiss and
when you're guiding on just a regularhunt, you were in those binoculars probably
eighty percent of the time, soyou know, and then with all my
training and stuff in the military,there's a way to glass areas and especially
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if you're looking for you know,enemy guys and all that, and it
pertains the same way basically to Honey. So anyway, I'm up on this
out cropping and it's daylight, it'sgetting daylight, and so I hear an
elp bugle, and I would youknow, I'd get my binoculars up and
oh, there he is. He'sthree hundred yards away. And another one
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would bugle, and you know,he's five hundred yards away. And all
in all, there was probably sevenor eight different bulls than this herd of
elk, and they were just scatteredall along this like meadow area. So
anyway, I heard just bugled downby where my tent was, and my
tent was probably about three hundred andfifty four hundred george away, and so
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I just glassed down there and itbugled again, and I realized that he
was closer to me than my tent. So I'm kind of working the glass
back up towards me, and I'mhitting these beaver ponds. You can see
these beaver ponds, and I noticedthis thing in this beaver pine. Like
I said, man, those elkare down there wallowing in those beaver ponds.
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And so I'm, you know,it's right at first light, and
so I'm, you know, I'mreally focused on what's going on down there,
because I could get to those elkfairly quick, you know, if
I wanted to. And so I'mlooking at this beaver pond and then all
of a sudden, this thing raisesup out of this pond and I'm like,
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holy cow, like, what inthe world is this? So then
it gets out of the beaver pond, and right away I'm thinking, Okay,
that's the bigfoot that they're talking about. I'm freaked out inside a little
bit because, I mean, nobody, if you've never seen one, I
mean, you don't know till youknow, right, I mean, I
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don't know how else to explain that. I Mean, you know, we
can say there's aliens, but untilyou see one, you don't know how
you're going to react, especially witha big foot or a sasquatch. So
this thing gets out and he kindof shakes off a little bit, and
man, I am like zooming inon this thing, and he's probably about
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one hundred and fifty yards out,so with ten by fifty s ice like,
I can see this thing blinking,you know. And my first thought
really wasn't you know, oh mygosh, oh my gosh or whatever.
My first thought was, this isa monster. And if he comes at
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you, and I'm hunting with arecurved bow like the Indians used to do,
I'm like, if this thing comesat you, you're gonna have one
shot. That's it. Did youhave a sight on? No? I
still don't even, like, evento this day, I don't carry a
gun in the woods. It's notan ego thing. I've seen too many
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people carry firearms and shoot animals thatthey think they're getting attacked by that.
If you had just used a calmhead, it wouldn't have happened, you
know kind of thing. So I'mnot. I don't claim to be something
I'm not or anything. I justnever have. I mean, I'm holding
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a bow in my hand, soyou know, if I can't get something
to stop by me shooting it withan arrow, you know, and I've
had some close calls, you know, up in Alaska, I had a
close call. I've had one mountainlion experience that was kind of a weird
thing. But you know, inall my years of doing this, I've
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been doing this for over thirty years, and you know, I'm just I've
never put myself in a position towhere I felt like I needed to carry
for arm. So but so anyway, this thing kind of he's kind of
shaking the water off of him.I guess you would say, not like
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a dog, but you know,there's like one arm and then the other
arm. And while he's doing this, I am noticing that, like this
thing is built like anything I've neverseen. Like the forearms were massive,
the hands were massive. I mean, the legs were like like, man,
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you know, looking back in acalm area, I'm like, man,
I wish I had legs like that, you know. I mean,
this thing was just for a reacheror whatever you want to call it.
I mean, this thing was inpeak physical condition. And so I'm sitting
there watching it and he's kind ofturned. I'm I'm sitting facing to the
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to the northeast. That's kind ofwhere he's at but he's facing more north
than east, and he hasn't Idon't he hasn't seen me, at least
I don't think he had. Andhe turns. And when you're when you're
in a when you're in glass likethat ten by fifty binoculars like that,
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when he turns and looks up towardsme, you think he's looking you through
your soul, you know, whenin fact, he's probably looking past me,
or he could have been looking atme. I don't know, but
through the binoculars, it was likehe was looking through my soul. But
he didn't look he didn't look scarythough, I mean, he looked to
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me more man like. Then youknow, people describe gorillas or whatever.
And we'll get back to Keith Foster, because he did a drawing that was
just amazing. I mean it wasso spot on. And so I'm sitting
here and this thing doesn't appear tobe a threat to me, and so
I kind of you know, I'mat a twelve, and so now I'm
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at like a ten, and I'mthinking strategy more than anything else, Like
if he comes at me, whatare you gonna do? Da da da
da that kind of thing, andbut I'm getting to watch him and he's
just middling around this beaver pond,and you know, I watched him mess
with his face, like he touchedhis face. I'm watching his eyes blink,
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you know. At one time hereached down to get like a clump
of mud off his leg, whichwas kind of different. And so then
he turns and he walks north towardsmy camp, and he's having to go
up this hill, and so hegets kind of cross side heeling, if
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you will, and he gets abouteven with my tent, and he squats
down like he's using the bathroom,and he's looking right at my camp and
he's just sitting there and he's watchingmy tent. And so I've already decided
that once he crosses that hill,I'm going to give it about ten minutes.
If he doesn't come back, I'mgoing to go down there and grab
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my gear and I'm getting out,because I mean, he was scary enough
that I didn't want to be inthere by myself with him. I don't
care how many Elko's in there.Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo will be right backafter these messages. So Anyway, he
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sat there probably about two or threeminutes, and he gets ups and he
goes up and over the hill.And so, like I said, I
waited ten or fifteen minutes, andI crawled down off that rock that I
was on, and I ran downto my camp and I quickly packed it.
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And it took me about five orsix hours to get in there,
and it took me about three anda half to get out. So I
basically ran or jogged all the wayback to the car or the truck,
and so yeah, I mean thewhole episode of seeing this thing was probably
about ten minutes long. And onceI get back to the vehicle, of
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course, coming out of there,I was totally paranoid, like it's this
thing following me, Like you knowwhat happens he jumps out blah blah blah,
and so you know, this totalstate of paranoia hiking out of there
and running and you know, justalmost killing myself to get out. And
so I get to the truck andimmediately I go to the ranch and it's
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probably gosh, I don't know,it's probably around lunchtime, maybe at one
o'clock, and so everybody's out hunting, like there's no guides there, there's
no clients there, but the ownerwas there, Gary Jordan, and I
go into Gary's office and he's like, man, did you kill one?
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Did you come to get the horses? And I'm like no, Gary,
I said, you know that thingthat happened to us last year with me
and Bob and the coat, Andhe goes, yeah, I said,
I saw this thing up close.And he goes, what are you talking
about. I said, I watchedhim for ten minutes this morning and he's
like, no, you didn't.He goes, it was a bear.
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I said, Gary, I havehow many bears have I got it on?
I had up to that point,I'd killed probably me personally, had
probably killed like five bears, butI had got it on probably twenty five
or thirty by that time. SoI know what a bear is, you
know. And that's what I'm tellingGary. I'm like, that was no
bear, man. I'm like that, I don't know what it is,
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you know. And like I said, I'd never researched sasquatch or Bigfoot,
didn't have any knowledge of any ofthat, and so I didn't have anything
like nowadays you hear people go,well, it's a mix between a man
and an ape or a monkey orsomething. I didn't have that. I
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was like, it was one ofthe best built men, Harry people that
And I came up with like Neanderthal, because that's what I think of Neanderthal
would look like. And that's whatI told Gary, and Gary goes,
well, he goes, you're obviouslyshook. And I had an apartment down
in Colorado Springs at the time,and he goes, you need to go
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home and spend a couple of daysand come on back up here Friday night
and let's get back on the saddleand start guiding again. I'm like,
okay. So I go down there, and I do have a computer at
the time, and I get onthere and I google Bigfoot or Sasquatch,
and I start seeing all this stuff. And it's the first time of me
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seeing the Patty film. And thisthing looked a lot like Patty, except
the mail version. And because itwas a mail and so anyway, I
come across the BFRO website. Didn'tknow they even had a thing like that,
and it said, hey, ifyou've had a sighting or whatever,
please tell us. So I satthere for like two hours typing, and
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I would like, you know,like I'm going, is this too much
information? Not enough information? Youknow, blah blah blah whatever. And
it's on like a Wednesday. No, it's not even that. It's on
like a Monday or Tuesday. Andso I write my story and tell what
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happened, you know, both accounts, the first one and then this last
one, and I write on thereyou know, this happened yesterday. And
I submitted it. Well, withinlike less than an hour, I get
a call from Matt Moneymaker. Ohhow was that? I had no clue
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who he was. Like, hegoes, hi, am Matt Moneymaker and
you know President bf R own Boom, and he goes, tell me about
your story. And I'm like,okay, you know, and he's like,
can we if I get a guysout there, can you know,
can we come and look? AndI'm like, I said, well,
I'm a full time guy, andI said, if you got somebody out
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here that the only way I'd dothat is if they came in the next
day or two. Well, byGeorge, that night, I get a
phone call and to my for mylife, I can't think of the name
of these two guys. One ofthem's name was Jim and maybe y'all can
help me with this. But heand I don't know if he was just
(37:06):
telling me a story or what,but he had said that he at one
time he had set like the highestaltitude sky diving record or something, and
his name was Jeff something. Itook him in there and we looked around,
and sure enough, we found printsaround that beaver pond. And up
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until a couple of years ago,I actually had a copy of that casting
and or had the original cast reallyand through a divorce and all that and
moving, I have no idea whereit's at. But so anyway, so
that happened, and shortly after that, man I started getting phone calls from
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all kinds of people. And whatwas one of the weirdest things that happened
to me was I get a callfrom this guy like I didn't and he
goes, hey, is your addressblah blah blah blah, and I'm going
yeah, he goes, good,at four o'clock today, you're going to
receive a package. He goes,I'll see you there at like five o'clock.
I'm like, who are you?He goes, I got this coming
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to you. He goes, Igot to know if this is what you
saw. And it was the originalcopy of I want to say, Memorial
Day footage where the people were inthe boat and the and the bigfoot runs
across the side hill and then jumpsthat big gully. It was that footage.
And I'm going, well, whoare you, like, where did
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you like, are you CIA orFBI or something? You know, because
I've worked with those guys when Iwas, you know, in the military.
I'm like, this is some CIAFBI stuff going on here. And
so he actually I told him,I said, man, I don't have
a VCR. He said, hebrought a VCR with him and we hooked
it up to my TV and watchedit. And I'm going, well,
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the one I saw wasn't quite asbig as that. I mean, the
one I saw was probably like sevenfoot maybe. I mean, he wouldn't
know. It wasn't like ten twelvefoot or whatever something like that. He
wasn't. I mean, seven foot'spretty big. But I mean this dude,
this thing I saw was just jackedup. I mean just every part
(39:23):
of his body was just muscled up. And so when this thing jumped that
gully, I was like, Icould totally believe that, and he goes,
what do you mean, I said, the way these things are built,
I said, I said, hecould have probably jumped up on that
rock outcome cropping and ate me foryou know, breakfast that morning, and
(39:45):
just the way he was built.And so after that, I really,
I never really had any more interaction. It didn't really change the way I
felt in the woods. And Ithink the reason being is that, for
lack of a better word, wasa peaceful encounter. You know, I
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didn't feel like this thing was goingto eat me or tear me apart or
any of that. And you know, and I was fascinated by how it
looked and all that. But youknow, weeks and months following that,
I kept thinking that, you know, that thing probably watched me walk right
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by him, because I followed thatseries of beaver ponds going up to that
rock out cropping, and so thatkind of set me on edge a little
bit. But you know, Inever had any ill will or bad feelings
or you know, anything like thattowards towards what I saw, and so
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you know, I carried on asnormal. You know, I still guided,
I still hunted, but hoping thatmaybe i'd see another one something,
you know, because it was justcool. So now I'm not going to
tell you that coming out of amountain, you know, and you're six
miles from your vehicle and your ownfoot and it's dark, you don't think
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about that because you do. Butyou know, as far as ever being
scared or you know, beyond beingable to do whatever, and just never
happened for me. So well,at the end of the day, I
mean, if they're real, theywere real before you saw them too,
So what why should anything change?Right? Could you describe how it moved
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asarng as you said, it shook, It shook itself dry when it got
out of the water. Yeah,you know, so like when you get
out of the shower, you knowhow you might take say the right arm
and you and you kind of brushyour left arm just to get the excess
water off. Yea, it's kindof like that. Was it just to
the arms or did it do it'sall over the body too. He kind
of like from the shoulder to probablythe mid forearm. He kind of did
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that, and then he did itlike where his belly would be like there,
and he like his thighs and thenhe bent down and was picking like
I assumed it was a clump ofdirt or mud or something since he had
been in that beaver pond, andlike he was picking something off his leg,
like mud or or something like that. And so that's that was the
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when he got out of the beaverpond there. How about the eyes you
said you saw the you saw theeyes through the did Yeah? I don't
know if you did. I did. I send you a copy or a
photograph, Matt, of the drawingthat Keith did. No, I don't
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have that, but I'm going totry to search for it right now while
we're talking to it, and I'llsend it to you. Oh that'd be
great. Yeah. So, Imean this thing, it looked ninety eight
percent human to me, with theexception that it had a lot of hair.
(43:05):
So I mean, it kind ofhad like a everybody says a crowned
head like, but it was itwas more like a domed kind of rounded
head. His nose was almost likethat of a person, you know,
a little flatter against his against hisface. But his lips were I mean,
can you use the word normal,but I mean they were normal for
(43:30):
what I was looking at. Iguess. And the eyes just looked they
looked like our eyes, really,I mean, you know they there wasn't
anything crazy about on. Could yousee the whites there? No? I
couldn't. No, I didn't seeit that good. But I couldn't tell
when it was blinking because the wholeforehead would move when he blinked. So
(43:52):
did it blink like a human likeI've heard they don't blink very much compared
to humans like they they don't blinkhis office A lot of people have reported
did you notice that? No?I mean as far as how many times
he blinked or whatever, not really, but I do recall that he blinked.
And the reason I do is becausehe had like this above his eyes
(44:14):
was like a brow line kind ofthing, but it wasn't like huge,
But when he did blink, thatbrow line would move and you can see
that, And so that's that's howI know he was blinking like fat.
There was fat up in there,not just like the bony brow. It
was like like a fat depositive orsomething. You think maybe, I mean,
(44:36):
you ever seen those old guys thathave like the unibrow kind of kind
of look like that, except itprotruded a little bit, So you know,
I don't know if that was justlike a unibrow kind of thing where
if that was a part of hisyou know, muscular makeup. I'm not
sure, but I do know thatwhen he blinked, that whole section moved,
(44:57):
and you know, I didn't noticethat he didn't have much of a
neck on him. How is thebody proportions like limb legs and comparison,
like a human was like longer hislegs, and his arms weren't proportional to
his body, like his arms werelonger than normal. I don't know that
they came down to his knees,but they definitely hung lower than what a
(45:19):
person's would. But I could tellthat like his torso was the bigger part
because his legs were so massive,like just so massive, and so his
legs were smaller than the rest ofhis body. I guess is the best
way to say that. I don'tknow any way describe that, I guess.
(45:40):
So I guess his torso from hiswaist up was bigger or taller than
from the waist down. So Idon't know if that makes the arms look
different or not. So stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and beyond with clipp and
Bobo will be right back after thesemessages. The hands big hands, and
(46:08):
I mean full on massive, massivehands, because I noticed his hand when
he reached down to pick whatever wason his leg. Off, I noticed
that his hand like was as bigas his leg, if that makes sense,
Like it was huge. Did itseem proportional to the size of the
(46:29):
body or is it a bigger inproportion or smaller in proportion? I think
it was proportional. I do thinkthey were probably proportional, because I mean
this thing, I mean even makinga reference to like I don't know the
body of the actor of Arnold Schwarzeninger. Yeah, thank you Arnold's I mean,
(46:52):
as far as his physicality was,he was all that and then so
like had you know, I couldn'tactually see the six pack, you know,
abs, but I mean you couldtell that it was just built.
I mean, this thing was justbuilt to live there. It was it
(47:13):
was unreal. How about hairlict andcoloration. So he was between like so
when the when he when he didthat side, he'll he kind of got
up into where the sun was finallycresting over the mountain a little bit and
up until that point he looked brownto me. But then when he hit
the sunshine, the sunlight a littlebit, it kind of almost had like
(47:36):
a reddish tint to it. SoI don't know if that was just the
sun reflecting off his brown hair.But the hair was pretty proportional. I
mean, you know, it wasn'tlike long, stragglely something crazy like you
see in some of these movies.I mean, it was pretty I don't
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want to use the word man orgroomed, but I mean, you know,
his face probably had maybe an inchor half inch hair, and his
head probably the same, and thenaround his neck was had like a almost
like a maine kind of like youcould his hair started getting longer at his
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in his chest, in his arms, and so his hands were didn't have
any hair on at all, likeyou know, especially the palm of his
hand had no hair at all.So and it was it was like a
and I haven't thought about this inforever, but I remember it was like
a baseball, mit is what itlooked like to me. What color was
(48:45):
the skin almost like a almost likea grayish black color, more gray,
I think, so it was likea weathered I remember it being like this
weathered look. I've heard reports ofpeople who have said, I've spoken to
people actually who like yourself, whohad seen them very close or through binoculars
or something like that, and theycommented about how the face look weathered.
(49:07):
They did use the weather just likeyou did, but they also use things
like wrinkled and old, leathery,and like, did they have any of
that kind of characteristic to it,like in desperate need of moisturizer? Yeah,
no, because he, the oneI saw, had like quite a
bit of hair on his face.The only place void of hair was kind
(49:30):
of around his lips, in hisnose, and then the rest of it,
you know, was pretty hairy.But it was weird because it looked
almost groomed, like if he'd goneif you'd gone to a barber and had
it shaved to a certain length orsomething. But what what I looked at
didn't appear to be old at all. No, I sent Matt the picture.
(49:54):
I mean, that's exactly what whatyou're looking at is exactly what I
saw exactly. I mean, soif you look at that picture, I
mean, I don't know if youcould age that or not. I mean,
thirties forties I mean not old enoughto be like an old withered man
kind of thing, you know.And for the people listening who are members,
(50:15):
I guess we'll go ahead and putthat on the on the Patreon.
Is that right foru? It?Yeah, I'll post that there and yeah,
Bobo, I sent it to thegroup. Text oh, text email,
Jeff, you mentioned earlier when youfirst put your eyes on this thing,
you were actually looking for an elkbugling? Was there was there an
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elk in the area or was thething making that noise? No, there
was elk, because there was elkeverywhere. There must have been. Yeah,
there must have been probably, andI don't want to exaggerate, but
at least seventy five to one hundredelk in that little valley. Wow.
Yeah. So I can't say thathe was making that noise because i'd heard
(50:59):
all kinds elk that morning and actuallyhad glassed up two or three that were
bugling. So I was just upthere trying to figure out which one I
was about to go after. Sodo you have photographs of the original cast
that you mentioned? I don't.I don't have any, but you know,
(51:20):
I think I think my sister mighthave one, because I moved back
to Nashville for a short stint,and I had it sitting on a coffee
table, and she took a picturewith it. So I'll get with her
and see if she has it,and if it does, I'll certainly afford
it to you guys. But Iremember the dimensions of it, so it
(51:45):
was it was probably somewhere between sixteenand eighteen inches long, and it was
the width of my hand and thensome so probably I'm guessing four or five
inches wide. Made me. You'rethe perfect guy to ask. I mean,
boat hunters, and you're a guy, so you've chopped up tons of
(52:07):
animals. If you think it's sevenfoot tall, how much you think it
weighed? That's a great question.So the way the way I would probably
approach that is, we know ShaquilleO'Neill is seven to right, and Shaquille
probably weighs three hundred three h fivesomething like that. Maybe I'm guessing this
(52:31):
thing was probably because of how muscularit was, because you know, muscle
weighs more than fat. Anyway,I'm guessing, if I had to be
accurate, probably somewhere between three fiftyand five hundred, because Shack's about three
fifty. Yeah, so then thisthing probably had to be at least you
(52:55):
know, four to five hundred.Then there's no way at weighed eight one
hundred or one thousand pounds. Ijust that'd be hard to say for me,
but I'm guessing probably on the highend, probably five hundreds after the
sighting and and the realization, afteryour two sightings, and your realization that
like, oh they smoked, thesethings are actually out there, These things
(53:17):
are real. I have looking backat your previous guide experience and all the
time you spent in the mountains,do you think you might have ever been
close to one before that and youjust didn't know because they weren't on the
radar? You know what? Ido think I have and it's only one
one or two occasions because somebody elsehad asked me that. So when you're
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when you're hunting elk, elk putout a smell that you can if there's
especially if there's a bunch of themduring the mating season, a bull elk
will will urinate on himself and andhe'll get in what we call walls,
which is they dig out of andit'll kind of that has water, and
they'll make mud out of it,and they'll get in there and they'll coat
(54:07):
themselves in this mud because an elkwill spend more time. A lot of
people don't know this, but elkaspend more time trying to stay cool than
he will anything else. And soby kicking himself with his mud and all
that, it helps him stay cool. And so during the mating season,
what an elk do. He'll getin there and he'll start wallowing and doing
(54:28):
all that. And while he's doingthat, he'll urinate in the mud on
himself. And so when the rutoccurs, it usually goes on somewhere between
anywhere from twenty five to forty dayslong. So you're thinking that this thing
is doing this, you know,at two or three four times a day,
(54:49):
and so that creates a smell.So it gives you that musky smell.
And so a lot of times whenyou're hunting and you're down when of
an elk, you can smell longbefore you ever seen them. And there
had been a couple times that thestitch has come over us and you're going,
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that's not like, man, thatis the grossest smelling elk I've ever
smelled, you know, And inthe back of your mind going, you
know that don't even smell like anelk, and so so not knowing one
hundred percent, you know, ifI had, I would say probably,
just because I think I've smelled thembefore. So yeah, probably. Did
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you talk about finding that gutted orfemale elk the cowk that was gutted that
you didn't see the actual antle thatyou heard it? Yeah, I was
gonna say, like, there's there'ssome really cool stuff that happened in the
aftermath of all that that I thinkwould be great for the member section that
involved some of those things and sometracks and some sounds that I think you
guys would love to hear, andI know our members would too. All
(55:57):
right, well why do we dothat? Then? Why don't we skid
out all over to the member Becauseif there's follow up things and other unusual
finds and observations in the area,I'd like to hear about those, and
I'm sure our members would as well, And of course are any of our
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need to know. All right,folks, Well, thanks a lot of
Jeff Desich for joining us. It'sreally important you know that we have,
you know, qualified eyewitnesses. Imean disguis. I mean we're talking about
(56:45):
a guy that's one outfit of theYear for Colorado. I mean, so
this guy's an expert. So Iappreciate his uh an applaud his candor and
honesty and bravery to come forward.So thank you, Jeff, and until
next week, y'all keep it squatching. Thanks for listening to this week's episode
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