May 27, 2024 • 55 mins
Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay catch up on 'squatchy matters of the day, including new tracks found in Oregon, a tale of a sasquatch grabbing a Shetland pony, the state of Bobo's travel trailer, and more! They also speak with Andrea Andrews, a fifth grade teacher at Lincoln Elementary School in Hoquiam, Washington. Andrea's students have made a big impact with her ongoing "Saving Sasquatch" project, and she's here to tell us all about it!
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Big food and be on with Cliffand Bobo. These guys are your favorites,
so like to subscribe and rade it. I'm stay and listening watching NIM
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always keep its watching. And nowyou're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay
Bobo. How you doing, myfriend? Not too shabby? How are
you? Not so bad? Notso bad? Pretty good day. Spend
a lot of it on the phone, though, I'll tell you that it's
been a great week. So muchto catch up with you about it.
Actually, yeah, I kind oflie. I am shabby, but I'm
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doing good. Yeah, I amhanging in there. I'm hanging in there
for sure. Yeah. I talkto a couple of various people today on
the phone that I don't connect withtoo much. I a for Renee for
a while. Oh you did shegot to England or something? Yeah,
yeah, she was over there.She went over there for a little while
and then she's back now and yeah, yeah, so that was kind of
cool, kind of caught up alittle bit on that and what she's been
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up to. And she's doing someyou know, some science stuff, some
kids stuff, you know. Ithink what is she called green bathing or
no, no, she nature deficit, something immersion or other. I don't
know, getting kids in the woodsbasically what it comes down to. She
had a term for it, becauseshe's fancier than I am in a lot
of ways. But I don't Idon't remember exactly what that is. But
it was good catching up with her. Well, you can charge more if
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you if you call it, ifyou get a title like that to say
where are the kids in the wood, to say we're doing a green environment
that you can charge twice as much. You put a lot of syllables in
the words. Make it fancy,yeah, like audible primates, audible primates.
Extension learning is another way of saying, you know, bigot beyond podcast
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right or something like that. Idon't know, I don't know, but
yeah, but it's always nice catchingup with her. But I was in
the woods this week and lo andbehold, I found some interesting stuff.
Man. Trying to add a newarea, a new area, which is
really cool. I actually been tothat. I went to this area probably
ten or fifteen years ago, andand it's just one of those things.
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The show started and it's kind offar enough out there that it's hard to
get to the roads are extraordinarily shoddy, to say the very least. In
fact, it's so far out there. My nerd bigfoot investigator friends and I
have started calling it the Outer Rim, which is, you know, a
Star Wars reference for all all younerds in the audience. There might be
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a couple of you out there.Yeah, so we're calling this the calling
this area the Outer Rim now.And so I went out there. There's
this obscure pond that has no roadsor trails associated with it. So I
went out there and checked it out. And Dave, my friend and employee
here at the ANBC, we weparked at the at the dead end road
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there and we went out off trail. It's about a half mile or a
mile or something like that out offto this little pond. And on the
way out I found this big impression. I go, oh, this is
interesting. It's kind of a littlevague. Those may maybe toes, I'm
not quite sure. And it wasseventeen inches long by seven inches wide.
So that's again, man, that'spretty big, man. But that's interesting.
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That's interesting. I took a coupleof pictures of it. But you
know what else I did, Melissaand I upgraded our phones this week.
So I have a fancier phone now, so I downloaded one of those three
D scanning apps and I took somescans, and man, it's a game
changer. It's a game changer,holy smokes. But I'll get back to
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that in a minute. In fact, if you check. But I just
text to a short little video andI'll get to that thing. I sent
you a video. Yeah. Soanyway, I found the seventeen by seven
impression out there, and again,this is off trail totally randomly, is
kind of near a creek. Andthen we make it to this pond and
we circumnavigate the pond and it's apretty big pond actually, you know,
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it's not like you know, fishlake size or something like that, but
it's pretty big, at least anacre or two I would say, probably
a least an acre and a halfor something. Anyway, going around the
pond, I find more seventeen byseven impressions in two different locations. And
one of the locations, you know, how like at the side of a
pond or creek or lake, ratherlike the reeds are very often you know,
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like down at the surface of thewater and there's mud underneath it,
so the impressions went through that,so there's no chance in casting them.
I was just look at that.How'd you cast that? Yeah? You
really? I mean, you cantry, but you'd be lucky to get
anything. And I've certainly put plasterin a lot of things that I didn't
think, you know, a lotof leaf litter and reeds in my time,
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and generally I just kind of wasteplaster. But yeah, but the
first time I found this, orthe second time, I guess that,
well, the first time was onthe way there. So the first time
I found it around the lake,there were three of these three or four
of these impressions about seventeen inches longthat showed the suggestions of toes seven inches
wide, all in this one area. And that's really cool. This is
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really cool. Then we walk furtherand then you know, halfway across the
pond like thing on the other side, we find another one. So we
had three different locations where we foundimpressions that I thought probably were footprints,
and they all matched the same sizeand same shape and same dimensions. I
think that's it. Do you geta step lank? Did you get consecutive
ones? A good measure of steptwo out of three of those, No,
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we didn't. That's that we lackedthat two out of three of those.
They were single prints, you know. And then there's reasons for that.
It's we didn't, you know,disappear into the ether or some nonsense
or portals. But it was justlike the substrate was only good in that
one spot, and everything else istough. And these were fairly old anyway,
but that one spot where there weretwo or three or four of them
all together, it didn't seem likeit was walking around necessarily. It seemed
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more like it was like kind ofthe standing around and left several footprints in
this one area. There were acouple in secession. There were about thirty
five thirty six inches in between steplength something like that, So pretty pretty
decent size, you know, butyou know, nothing crazy or anything like
that. So yeah, that cool. And then remember there are no trails
or roads or anything going to thiswater hole here, right, So we're
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walking down the creek this little tricklethat comes out of the pond, and
it's going down towards the abandoned roadthat we parked at the end of.
There's a big they brimed up thiswhole thing, and we're walking down there.
We get to the road, theabandoned part of the road, which
is probably two or three hundred yardseast or south or something like that of
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where we park the car. Andso we get down there and the trickle
is going across the roads and boom, right there in front is a trackway,
a pretty clear trackway of juvenile prints. These things were like nine inches
long. They were so cool.Yeah, And then like a holy crap,
and there were like one we foundI think four or five of them
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in a row there. We've welocated another one going the opposite direction about
thirty or forty yards away on thesame road. I cast two of those,
I believe. I sent you scansof those. I scanned them all
too in this app thing. Man, unbelievable. And then, uh,
look, while those were drawing,I looked around and I found another very
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possible fourteen inch track about one hundredhundred and twenty yards down the road in
another wet spot. You know.So yeah, so we very possibly found
three different individuals footprints that day.Definitely one or two, I think,
But that fourteen incher is a maybe. I think it's a definite possible though
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sounds like a yeah, mom anddad and a young young girl. Yeah,
well, I think the seventeen mightbe hanging out at that pond kind
of a lot, because man,I've got like, I mean, this
place is not easy to get to. It's it's far flung, it's way
it's in the outer rim. Man. This is like, you know,
like this is like tattooing. Youknow, this is like way out there.
You just don't go there really.But despite of that, I have
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like four or five reports from there. So when you look at the ratio
of information coming out of this areaversus the number of people who actually go
there, it's pretty high. SoI'm very, very encouraged of this place.
Now, I sent you the scansof the two juvenile footprints in the
ground. I just texted those toyou, so I don't know if you
have those or not, but youcould always take a look at those really
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cool stuff. I will send thescans of some of these footprints to Matt
prud and you can post them inour members section in case anybody's who's listening
to this regular episode as a member. You go to the Patreon you can
see these scans of the footprints.I think they're pretty cool and I think
they're legit, man, So I'mgonna be keeping a very close eye,
as you know, as often asI could spare them in the words of
Gandalf, to go check out thisarea. So yeah, that sounds awesome,
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pretty exciting week man, new areawith several very likely footprints from it.
I'm gonna keep on going there,and you know, I think Melissa's
gonna be out of town in anotherweek or two. I might try to
maybe spend the night down there.We'll see. Yeah, but this technology,
man, everybody should get the scanningapp. Holy crap, what's there?
The app? Well, there's severalscanning apps that are all probably equally
good. The one I happen tohave on my phone right now. I'm
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not endorsing or anything like that becauseI don't know if they're the best or
not. I'm probably gonna play aroundwith other technologies as well. The one
I happen to have is called scana Verse, but there are several that
I could choose from, and oneor two people that I consulted with said,
oh, this is what I haveand I like it. So I
just got that one because a coupleof the people I know are already using
it. I probably should download oneor two others just to give the other
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ones a test ride. And ofcourse, if anybody out there is listening
and you work for one of thesecompanies or you know something rad or better,
by all means, let me know, let me know what I can
do with it, et cetera.I'm looking to maximize this technology for my
uses here, so if anybody canhelp me out with that, I would
appreciate it. So, yeah,that was cool. That was really cool.
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An exciting week there. Oh andI got a great story together today
in the shop. You know,I'm not you know, stories or stories,
you know how I am about thatacross the road. Cool, that's
great, you know that sort ofthing. But this, this story is
kind of cool. This woman camein. She's eighty years old and this
story happened to her when she waseleven, So that puts it at what
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like nineteen fifty five, I thinksomething like that. So this happened in
nineteen fifty five out in Scottpoose,Oregon, which is on the Columbia River,
just a little bit west of Portland, in that general area northwest of
Portland, and she was out ridingon trails on a Shetland pony of all
things. Now mind you, shewas alive. She was riding on a
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Shetland pony, which is adorable tobegin with, and she's you know,
kind of overgrown trails and that sortof thing. She's out there, had
a trotting along and a very largesasquatch basically reaches out like ambush predator,
reaches out from the trail from thebrush on the side of the trail and
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scoops up her horse that she's on, scoops up her Shetland pony, lifts
them both up, realizes, holycrap, that's not a deer or whatever.
You know, there's a girl onthe back of that thing. Drops
it, stares at her for amoment, and then bolts the opposite direction
off into the brush. Wait,how to pick her up? Did she?
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Did? She tell you? Like, work out like both hair.
I use both arms obviously, likeyou pick up a dog, like from
underneath, you know, like inbetween the light, like scooped scooped up
the horse that she was on,you know, and then I briefly picked
her up for like just a momentbefore it realized this mistake, dropped and
then bolted the other direction. Ohmy god, not crazy. That's one
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of the craziest things I've heard.And of course she goes, yeah,
I and she said that it didn'tscare her because it was so fast.
She didn't really understand what was goingon. She thought it was just like
this big dude, like it lookedlike she said, it was like this
big dude covered in hair, reallyweird. But she just thought it was
a really really really really really bighuman. And now looking back, she
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realized, well, that was ahuman. What a was I thinking?
You know, that just a bighuman covered in hair. Out that's crazy.
And of course the the Shetland ponyfreaked out and then just told you
know, went crazy and ran off. And so she was kind of holding
on to it, you know,on the back, trying to stay onto
it as a little eleven year oldgirl. But still, what a what
a wild story that is. Canyou imagine having that experience? And I
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took her in the back room atthe NABC and I said, hey,
here's Murphy. Tell me what's thesame, what's different, as I often
do, and she goes, oh, you know what, the skin was
not that colled the skin was morebrown, because Murphy's kind of this grayish
black sort of skin color. Andhe said, well, then the the
skin was more brown than that,and the hair was a little bit longer
here and there, and that kindof thing. And again nitpicked, and
she said it was also the onethat she saw. Mind you, she
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was eleven, and she admitted thather memory might be a little distorted because
of the time period it's been set, you know, sixty nine years after
all. She said that its seemeda lot bigger than Murphy, but Murphy
is six seven and a half feettall. And she said that when she
went back to the spot with herdad there was a nine foot tall branch
that the thing might have touched orbumped upon her did something like that.
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So her dad believed her. Yeah, apparently so apparently, so do they
find evidence to her dad find anyevidence? She didn't mention it. She
didn't mention it. No, Butreally cool, lady. What's funny is
I have heard been picking the stuffup and carrying it, but it's you
know, it's been like pigs sheepand that seal and John Greensburg seal up
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in thea Bay and then I guesspeople have seen him carrying chickens and peace
under their arms, like they justpicked it up and carried it off alive.
And some deers I've heard of that, but usually take care about the
neck and snapped the neck right away. So you wonder if I was taking
it a lit, if I wastaking it alive, you know, trying
to take it somewhere alive. It'skind of interesting. I don't know.
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I think the whole thing happened sofast that she I mean, I don't
think she really had a good comprehensionof what was going on at the time,
but you know, she got apretty good look at it. And
I asked her about the eyes,because you know, I'm always interested.
Did you see the sclera which isthe white part? She goes, you
know, no one's ever asked methat, and I don't remember, but
I seem to think I did,you know. And so yeah, she's
been very great witness. You know, she's just honest and kind of like,
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I'm not I don't remember, andoh yeah I know this, so
that and it's just very matter offact and you know, good natured about
the whole thing. And yeah,she was great there. It just happened
to be driving by actually and sawthe sign and she goes, you know,
I saw one of those ones weshould stop, and then she did,
Wow. See that's amazing. It'slike, so it's got this great
story and it's just happenstance that youget to hear it. You know.
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It's just it's that's how most ofit goes, you know. It's like
I've heard more stories it adverted likethat that I have, like people seeking
me out to tell me totally.Totally. It's kind of neat to have
a place like the nabc's and it'slike this beacon, you know, beacon
of hope that people can come inand share their stories or whatever and we
can write them down and plot themon a map and see if there's any
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patterns and all that sort of stuff. It's a lot of fun. Yeah.
Anyway, that's that's what I've beenup to. Stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Yeah, so I said about that, probably my buddy was gonna buy
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behind like three lock gates. There'sonly two other parcels inside this one.
Hundred thousand acres. He would bethe only full time resident in there.
There's two like hunting cabins. Iguess there's a house and stuff with people
don't live there anymore. Is thereroom for a trailer? Dude that's gonna
say, get it? Yeah?They got five more weeks a escraw?
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Okay, all right, very good. Well, if you do happen to
take the trailer, I'd be great, by the way, because we're dealing
with wood right now, all thosetrees and stuff that dropped in the property
in January. We have a millon the property right now and we're milling
up all the wood, and weneed some storage and all this other stuff.
But if you do actually come upand take the trailer, in a
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way, I'll be sad because Iwon't have something to tease you about every
week. But in another way,I'll be really stoked because of the room.
And I will be sure to videotapeit. I will video it's removal
for audio. Something can check itout. I look up to the hitch
and I full off. It justtears the hitch out and they just breaks
from the wheels. The axle fallsoff. You drag it out yeah,
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drag it out with sparks behind it, starting a big fire, burn down
Whistle in neighborhood. It's in goodshape, actually, I don't think that's
I mean it hasn't. It's actuallybeen moved once. We had to pull
it out and then reput it backin there because of a I was soaring
something for my next runna for Gary. We had an old car in there
for a little while. So yeah, we actually took it out and put
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it back in. So it's stillrolls, it's still good. You know,
it's inside. There shouldn't be aproblem with it. I mean,
it's probably pretty tight. I don'tthink if there's any rats or anything then
it. I haven't been in itlike a year, but I keep offering
people to sleep inside if they want, so they all do. I'm sure
no one's no one's brave enough todo it yet, are you serious?
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Yeah, no one's brave enough togo in there. Like Shane and like
Todd Hale were in the house andand nobody wanted to sleep in it.
This is killer. I sleep betterthan just about anywhere. Well, anyway,
you were talking, I'm sorry,tell me about the property. I'm
sorry. The guy who owned it. He's been he lit up there for
like sixty years or something. Hepassed away his phone mowers are selling it.
They didn't know any bigfoot stories offoff the top of their heads all
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the time. Maybe not that theysay they've only seen one bear. It's
real rebot. They've only seen theysaw a fathers hunting team one time walking
on foot twenty years ago. YouOther than that, they've never seen anyone
out on their property. I meanthey see them like further away, like
a mile or two away, likedown you know, where they can hike
any easier. But there's it's reallyhard to get to you Like there's it's
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you got to walk so far toget past those gates to get in there.
It's I mean, I don't knowif you got to go like seven
miles or something through block gates toget back in there. And where the
branch is, it's kind of it'skind of isolated, like there's stuff to
the west and north and east thatdefinitely like you knows habaitat, but the
closest so let's get to that,probably thinking about a mile and a half
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and so, I mean I'm surethey walked, you know, cut across
and stuff like that. But there'sno like a he the family members didn't
have any ongoing or you know,they never heard him talk about it,
so they don't know if he justdidn't talk about it and they had stuff
habit or stuff just never happened.The only one way to find that is
go there and spend some time,right Oh yeah, yeah, yeah definitely,
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or at least make the new propertyowners aware that there might be something
going on. They just planted newfruit trees. Yeah, there's there's a
there's like horses in the corral goingin there's they're gonna get chickens and also
get some rabbits too, because theylove rabbits. Just get something kind of
loud, you know, something makessome noise. They'll probably get a goat.
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He'll probably get a couple of goatsfor fire control. Yeah. So,
I mean he said, I cando expeditions there, you know,
go out there one full access toit. He wants he wants to you
know, he wants to document ifthey're there. He's down for trying to
document them. So put in somerecording equipment and have some good stuff out
there and see what happens. Righton, man it's nice to have a
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preserve that you can go on anytimeyou want. Yeah, for sure,
it's gonna be killer. Yeah,a little little protective zone, which actually
is a fantastic segue into our gueststoday. That's as much as people would
probably love to hang out with justyou and I, we have an amazing
guest that has been doing some greatstuff for the Sasquatch. But before we
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hop over to her and learn aboutwhat she's been up to, I just
want to let everybody know that,you know, we do have a membership.
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know. Well, without much furtherto do. I mean, we have
a fantastic guest this week. We'resuper, super excited and you've probably many
of our listeners probably have heard aboutthis effort spearheaded by this woman. Our
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guests today a fifth grade teacher fromHoquiam, Washington at Lincoln Elementary School.
Her name is Andrea Andrews, andshe has been doing great work. She
is a do gooder in the veryvery best way. Andrea, thank you
so much for coming on big Foringand Beyond with us. Oh absolutely,
thank you for having me. Rea. So happy that you can make it
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because you are You are just abeacon of light in this dark world we
live in. Because you are doingsomething that almost nobody else is doing.
You're advocating for the safety of sasquatches. Now, there's really very few ways
to do that at this point,especially getting the government involved. I mean,
I've been advocating for protecting public landand whatnot. That's the one way
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that everybody can get involved and protectsasquatches. But you've been doing something else
entirely. Can you please tell usand our listeners about the efforts you've been
making. Certainly so the last fewyears we have been my class fifth graders
have been taking a specific county thatI assigned to them, and what they're
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doing is we go through multiple steps, which I'm sure we'll get into,
but what they end up doing isthey are actually writing letters to the commissioners
of that county, whichever county itis, to ask that we have laws
in place to protect bigfoot. Becausewhen we first started this, we realized,
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well, I had noticed that weonly had laws in Wokham County and
Scamania County and Washington State, andthose laws had been in place for quite
a while, nineteen sixty nine forSchamania, nineteen ninety one for Walkham County,
and nothing had been done since.So the whole point was to get
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kids one writing too involved in allof their government stuff, because none of
them were having time to learn abouttheir local civic stuff. We just don't
have time for that anymore. We'reso focused on ELA and math, which
was great, that's awesome that we'redoing that, But this is a great
way to just kind of sneak itin there, but then make them have
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to learn all of the Let's dosome scientific research, let's do some writing,
let's do some persuading. So it'spretty awesome, ready, kids anti
Bigfoot. You know, every yearI end up with a group that we
don't call it antype Bigfoot. I'lltell you what we call it. We
call it the time Savers. Whatthey do is there by the end of
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the project, we end up splittingthe class in two, and one side
can be much larger than the other. Last year I had two that were
on the no, we don't needlass side, But this year I had
probably about ten to ten on oneside, fifteen on the saving Sasquatch side.
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And then what they do is theyhave to construct a persuasive letter to
the Saving Sasquatch side of their classthat says, we're the time savers.
We think you're wasting your time.Here's why. Now that's not necessarily kids
that don't believe in Bigfoot. Someof them are kids who believe in Bigfoot
but just don't think we need loss. Okay, there's quite a few of
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them that truly believe in Bigfoot butdecide that we don't need laws to protect
Sasquatch. And they have different reasons. Some of them, I'll tell you
right now. Some of my boys, they're hunters, and they think that
we should have a hunting season sothat we can have a body to research.
So that was actually okay, I'llgive you that it was legit.
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Are there consequences to the civic notionsthat you've passed at this point? I
mean, or is it just likeMason County, for example, is kind
of thumbs down against it. No, here's the difference between the ones that
we've gotten. We have gotten bothproclamations and resolutions. Okay, we'll walk
us through the difference on those twothings. Yes, so, and it's
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taken me a while to figure thisout. So with the proclamations, basically,
the county is saying, hey,we're making a notice out loud that
if you happen to run into Bigfootand it turns out to be real,
please don't harm it. Let's leaveit alone so we can continue to study
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it kind of thing. So we'remaking it a refuge area now with a
resolution. They're actually stating within theresolution, if Bigfoot turns out to be
real, it is then probably anendangered species, so we would want to
protect it as that. So they'resaying, don't even think about it.
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So it's just one step deeper.But none of them so far have finds
consequences, none of that or teeth. I guess if you want to say
none of them happen. Actually,I think I could be wrong, but
I'm pretty sure that the Scamania Countyone is the only one that actually has
fines attached to it. Okay,yeah, yeah, I think I think
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that's right. Actually, and thefinds were originally ten thousand dollars, but
they dropped in eighty four when theyre established it, yeah, to some
much much smaller amount. I can't. Yeah, is this your brain child?
Like you saw that? Like,hey, this is a really cool
way to get my students involved doingmulti curricular activities like this, you know,
like writing and reading and civics andgovernment, like all these sort of
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different subject areas condensed into one project. Was this your idea and you saw
the need or how did this ideacome about? Yes, So how it
came about was when I was incollege getting my teaching CERTs and all that
stuff. I was getting my bachelor'sdegree and one of the classes that I
had was, hey, you guysare going in at a time where because
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this was probably six seven years ago, in one of my classes and they
were like, you're going into teachingat a time where ELA and math are
what you're going to spend very muchmost of your day on. That's just
how it is. And ELA isEnglish language arts, English language arts.
Sorry, yes, So they said, you know that's pretty much what you're
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going to be stuck with. Soone of our classes was, we need
you to take this and go acrosscurriculum and either take my or English and
build a lesson that is going togo across at least you know, one
or two other subjects. So Istarted doing it, and I kept going
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with it and building it, andI turned it in and my professor was
really good about it. He waslike, Okay, here's your a.
You did a great job. You'vegiven me all the evidence for it,
but be careful with this. Alot of people are going to look at
it as you're trying to get allthe kids to believe that sasquatch is real,
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and somebody might take that the wrongway. But here's the thing with
that. I don't do that.Even though I'm I'm a believer, I'm
out there, you know, listeningand hoping to hear things and see things.
However, I don't start it thatway with the kids. The kids
start day one with a piece ofpaper that has on one side a sasquatch
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cute cartoony one giving a thumbs up, and on the other side a bear
doing the same thing. They decideday one, what do you believe.
Do you believe sasquatch is an animalthat has simply not been identified yet,
or do you believe sasquatch sightings arean animal we already know of, like
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a bear that has been misidentified.They make their decision, tape it to
their spot, and then they areinstructed you are allowed to change this at
any point as many times as youwant to through the next few weeks.
Then we go in. I preloadinto their Google classroom files that have vetted
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research. So I go in andI find different things on both sides like
I've got you got, I've gotlittle clips of you guys that I found
on YouTube. I've got an articleabout Jeffrey Meldrum and is cast collection and
how all that works. I've gotthings on gigantopithecus in there. I've got
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things on bear walking like humans.It's scary how much they can look like
a human when they walk. SoI want all sides to be covered.
But then they have to do thescientific research, go through and decide what
do I believe. Once they makeup their mind completely, they then have
to learn how to we go throughthe steps to learn how to write a
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five paragraph essay, and for fifthgraders that's a lot. I remember the
days, yeah, right. Infact, I imagine there's a couple of
my former students out there listening tothis. They probably remember the days too,
right. So what we do isthey write me a five paragraph essay
with evidence backing it, telling me, yes, I believe Sasquatch is real,
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here's why, or no, Idon't and here's why. But I
want that evidence in there. Iwant to see you've done your research on
We get past that. That's whenwe split the class and then as a
group they write their letters. Welearn how to write persuasive letters at that
point, and those letters are directedat who the saving Sasquatch side, they
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direct theirs to the county commissioners ofwhichever county I have assigned them that year,
and I just choose the county.And then the other side is the
time savers, where they're sending theletter to the other half of the room,
telling them why they're wasting their timetrying to get laws to protect Sasquatch,
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why they shouldn't do it, whatthe benefits are. They have to
do research on their endto stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after thesemessages. So the county commissioners and whoever
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at whatever county they receive a packetof letters. And then what's the next
step from there to actually getting thisstuff on paper and making it official.
Well, the letter part they writeas a group. So they only received
one letter and it's from Miss AndrewsClass, fifth grade class. They introduced
themselves in the letters as we arethe students of Miss Andrews' fifth grade class.
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That way, I'm not putting theirnames out there. Initially and then
once they get the letter, whathas happened in the past, It's gone
down a couple different ways. Whenwe did Grace Harbor, we were in
twenty twenty two. We were stillwhere they were doing zoom meetings, only
they weren't doing in person meetings atall, so they had just a tiny
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little room and they sent us avideo later of themselves recorded doing this meeting
and they were on there and itwas so cute. There was only probably
five people in the room. Theysat there and they started telling stories about
well I remember when I was inhigh school and I had my own experience,
and it was really cool to watchthem and they were just they were
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having a blast with it. Andthen after that we went to Clollham County,
which when we did Clollen County,they have the wonderful Sasquatch What's coming
up the festival that they have SasquatchDays up there and Cliff, I saw
you there last year. Yeah.Absolutely, when they have that, they
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actually put that into their resolution.It was great, they actually listed it
in their resolution. But they withClollham County, they had us zoom in
to the meeting and watch the wholeprocess. Go down live, so the
kids got to watch that. Well, then this year the kids got to
do the same thing. We hadbeen invited to go in person, but
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we weren't able to find transportation becauseit was such short notice. But it
was so nice of them they invitedthe whole class to come up and go
in person to see it. Whatgot you had? A bigfoot has a
high IQ? Well, I'll tellyou. I grew up with my dad
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telling me an awesome bigfoot story thathe had had an experience when he was
in his early twenties back in thesixties. And it was such a cool
story because it was like him andhis friend and they were out fishing at
a lake locally, and it wasone of those where it's a lake tucked
back in the middle of nowhere,and all of a sudden they'd hear something
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on the other side of the lake. They had split up. My dad
thinks it's his friend, his friendthinks it's him, and then all of
a sudden, boulders like big rocksstart flying all the way out into the
middle of the lake, and there'sno way a human could a thrown rocks
that far, And then they starthigh tailing it out of there, they're
hearing something behind them. So itwas this awesome story that he's telling me
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about it, and I grew upwith that story, just loving it.
So I always had the notion ofwhat if, what if? What if
there's something out there? And thenthe last what fifteen twenty years, we
start getting all these great shows,like you guys had done a great show.
There's only one. There's only onegreat big fit show that I'm sorry,
(34:23):
right, I know, it's Iknow, I agree with you,
it's my favorite. I agree,So I think you guys should bring it
back. I'm just saying. Butwith all these great shows and stuff,
my dad and I started watching themtogether, which has been so much fun
as an adult to now get towatch them with him because he'll see things
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and he'll be like, oh see, yep, just like that, just
like that, or you know,and I'm just like ooh, and I
just I love the what ifs.I really do. I'm a big fan
of what ifs. And I'm abig fan of not making up your mind
until you've at least tried to explorethings. And I try to share that
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with the kids, and I thinkthat's a lot of why I chose to
go down this path as well isI want the kids to explore the what
if and I want the kids torealize that one, if there's something out
there that you want to explore,go explore it. But two, if
there's something out there you want tochange, use your local government, use
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your scientific research, get out thereand do the legwork, make those changes
happen. Yeah, you're empowering thenext generation. And then what can be
better than that? And what else? Is really the purpose of civic education?
You know? I mean education ingeneral is a betterment of oneself and
learning about this amazing place that we'reoccupying for sixty eighty years or so.
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But as far as like the civicsand government and persuades, the writing and
all, but they what a fantasticuse of all of this to do something
good for something else instead of themselves, Because we live in such an egocentric,
look at me sort of world andto do something for something, to
do something good for an animal thatmost people don't even realize is real.
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It's just an astonishing achievement that you'vebeen undertaken here. This is fantastic well,
and honestly coming from a low socioeconomicarea. I truly think that a
lot of these kids don't understand thatthey can make a difference in the world.
I really don't think they understand that. And I want them to know
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how even as kids, your voiceis being heard. You just have to
use it, get out there andmake a difference, do something. And
they're seeing that and to get inthe newspapers and these kids are blown away.
The other day they I did aquick morning show appearance on a Canadian
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radio show and the kids were like, they know us in Canada. The
world thinks the world knows who weare. And I was like, yes,
that's right, Yes they do.I did not show them a map
to show them how close Vancouver,BC actually is to us. I was
like, yes, you're right,we're world famous. Now, well,
hey, Matt prut, if youdon't mind stepping in just for a moment,
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please, what are some of thecountries that are listening right now?
Oh, we get listeners all overthe world. There's many countries in Africa,
many countries in Asia, Australia obviously, all over Europe, and so
we've got a pretty big listenership worldwide. I counted one time we like eighty
something countries listening to us. Wow. Yeah, we usually make it,
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you know, in the top onehundred at least in the natural sciences category,
and very often in the top fiftyfor many countries around the world.
So very grateful for all the worldwidelisteners. My kids will not know what
to do with themselves when they hearabout that. Hope are not encourage them
to just be like TikTok stars orsomething like that. Well, and it's
interesting too because Mason County that galwas so impressed the commissioner that she told
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us she actually forwarded our letter tothe state legislature and asked them, do
you have any interest in following upon this and taking it on at the
state level? I told the newspaper. I said, well, I guess
if that happens, we're just gonnahave to start going state to state after
this. So next I'm just saying, so back to when this first started
(38:31):
back in twenty twenty two, andyou were petitioning grays Harbor County specifically where
hoch Liam is located, and aton of bigfoot stuff. Bigfoot stuff has
happened in the past, the famousstuff from nineteen eighty two with all the
sheriff Tennis Herriford and all those otherpeople at the deputy when the word got
back and like grays Harbor County basicallysaid yeah, you know, this is
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cool, We're going to do this. What was the reaction, the initial
reaction when it was done from theparents and from the students in particular,
and also from your colleagues at theschool. That's what I was about,
is a parent blowback. That's whatI was wondering about. Well, I
still do this day, have parentswho at conference will be like, Okay,
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what's up with the bigfoot thing?And I'll be like, no,
no, no, okay, here, let me explain it to you.
And once I explain the entire process, even those that are very much naysayers
are okay with everything and understand thatthe process is very scientific, is very
research based, is very much learninghow to write all of that. It's
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very academic. It's not that I'msaying once again, hey, I'm going
to improve to you that bigfoot isreal. No sasquatch. Whether they're real
or not, that's your decision tomake. But we're going to learn a
lot and we're gonna do a lotof research for you to make that decision,
Well, what per some of yourkids like change their mind or come
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in like like, let's the racebelieve not believe that when you start and
after so it's different year to year. I will say that this year I
had probably ten out of twenty eightnot believe when we started, and by
the end of it, I hadabout ten on the Timesavers side. But
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if a handful of those had changedto believing, just not believing, we
needed laws for protection. When Iwas teaching the last school I taught at
before TV grabbed me and put meon a different path. My first year
there I taught fourth grade. Mysecond year there I taught sixth grade.
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It was only that that last schoolfor two years and then the fourth grade
classroom. I remember very specifically mywonderful principal name Holly. She's great,
loved a bits she and I beforeschool started, Like one of my first
meetings with her, she drove me. She was attending a workshop down down
south of it in Oregon here andso I carpooled with her there because she
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wanted me to take the same workshopwith her. And this is before I
even started working at the school andI remember on the way back, I
turned her and said, so,uh, Holly, you didn't google me
before you hired me, did you? And she and I saw like aler
of the blood flushed out of herface for a minute. She could hear
in a little bit wide and goes, So she turns me and goes,
no, what, what am Igoing to find out? You know?
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And I'm sure she had all sortsof horrible things, way worse than what
I told her. And I said, well, asked it's a bigfoot thing.
She goes, what, And thenI started talking to her about and
several times. She then erupted andjust like went what you know, because
because I was already necked deep intoit, right, there's nothing I can
do about it at that point.And she asked me, because I was
teaching fourth grade, and when infourth grade versus the end of fifth grade
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is earlyst sixth grade, huge difference. I mean, the new fourth graders
are basically old third graders, andthat's a huge difference, right, And
she she asked me, It's like, hey, do you mind if you
keep this on the down low?And it's not because of the weirdness of
the subject or the eccentricity of theirteacher or anything like that, because she
already knew I was kind of aweirdo, but she didn't want me to
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scare the children. Have you runacross any concerns about that. No,
I really haven't. I try veryhard not to let it get too scary.
We talk about I can give youa great example. The kids have
such a good understanding of it.The letter that they wrote this year.
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It was so amazing. One ofmy kids, Michael, he actually has
a line that he got into theletter that he had come up with that
said, look, if in factany of the sightings say that Bigfoot was
aggressive or mean, it's because heprobably was cornered, and Sasquatch was probably
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cornered, and any animal would fightback, even a bunny. I thought
that was great though, even abunny. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'llbe right back after these messages. I'll
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tell you what the district I workfor. I am so lucky when I
went in. I believed in thisso much before it started. When I
went in for the interview with HophamSchool District. This is the lesson I
took with me to sell myself inmy interview, and I had probably fifty
pages worth of artifacts and everything Iwas getting used and lesson plans and it
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was all written out. And Imean, we're talking diversification for different levels,
and I had it all and itwas written up. It was saving
Sasquatch, had the same name everything, and I just I fell in love
with it when I developed it incollege, and I believed in it so
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much that my professor's warned me againstusing it for interviews. No, I
just took it in and sold itand they bought into it. Suckers,
right, they let me go withit, and now here we are and
it's it's been just such a funride change in the world, one county
at a time, that's right.So you're getting a lot of media attention.
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I mean, you're on our podcast, but you know like it sounds
like you were on something in Canadarecently. What other newspapers or television news
blips and stuff that are you awareof that it brought attention to this.
So as far as I know,recently, we've every year we've made it
into our local newspaper, which isAberneen and see Aberdeen Daily World. And
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then I just found out yesterday thatwe made it all the way to the
Seattle Time, so and then it'sreally cute. Uh. The other day
we actually googled the class and Igoogled fifth graders sasquatch, I think is
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all we put in. And I'llbe darned if we didn't pop up all
over the place, including under images. It was just us us us.
I was like, there you go. And they saw that and they were
like, we're famous on Google.I was like, yeah, you're famous
everywhere. Fantastic now, of course, with you sticking your neck out like
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this in a sort of squatchy way. Certainly some parents or colleagues or community
members have brought you their their theirsighting reports and you're like, hey,
hey, well don't tell anybody,but I saw one, you know,
crossing you know, Deacon Road orwhatever. Few You surprised how few?
Though? Oh really I am kindof surprised how few? But then again,
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I'm I'm immersed in this every day, so right A lot have been
like I don't know, and thenI'll have the few that'll be like,
oh yeah, no, I hadthis one time, and I'm like,
oh, tell me, and Ijust love it. It's such a bonding
experience for us. For one,how many times have they been had their
ad eyes rolled at them that kindof stuff? You know that's happening to
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where to have me be let theteacher be like, oh, really,
tell me about it. They getso excited. But you know, the
kids, the first thing they wantto know every year is have you had
anything happen? And I'm like,well, nothing major, but I will
say and I have a We learnabout narrative writing at the beginning of the
school year, and I always usea narrative that I wrote that is just
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a story of It's a true storythat I was sitting on my deck two
years ago. And I live inMontesano, kind of out in the woods
a little bit, not much buta couple miles out, and I was
sitting there and I'll be darned ifI didn't hear wood knocks. I heard
a wood knock and then I heardan answering wood knock that had a different
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tone and was a different rhythm,so I knew it was one to another.
So either I'm hearing Bigfoot or I'mhearing people out sasquatch hunting. There's
no way that's anything other than that. It was so clear and crisp,
and I could hear it and itwas it was absolutely a communication. And
I tell kids, I'm like,I'm like, that was my most exciting
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moment. And they're just like,so you think that Bigfoot lives by your
house? And I'm like, Okay, we need to establish the fact that
we're talking about a real animal,not one guy walking around a hairy guy.
Guys they at this age that iswhere we get the confusion. Oh
well, I mean I at themuseum, I have to counter that weekly
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that people come in they think Bigfootis an individual and he has been seen
for the last two hundred years fromFlorida to British Columbia. He looks great
for his age. Then oh yeah, yeah, fantastic. So what's next?
I mean, Gray's Harbor County,Claham County, Mason County. You're
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knocking them down by like bowling bins, you know, like, like,
what's next? Are you going togo to another county next year? Are
you going to go state level?Or do you have any thoughts on that?
I would liked it. I'm goingto continue the counties as long as
it goes. But I'll tell youwhat, by the Mason County, by
them sending it forward to the state. If the state got a hold of
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me and wanted to back it,absolutely I would take it to the state
level. Do you have any concernsthat your success might actually put you out
of business? Like if cops,like if all cops did like the best
job ever, And mind you,cops do a great job in that's and
they don't. But if they weretotally successful in eradicated crime, there'd be
no need for cops, you know, like you might put yourself out of
a good lesson plan, right,And here's the thing, if that ever
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happened, we can go to state, we can go to countries, but
here we can also then sit backand relax and know that we've done something
good for the scientific world. SoI'm okay with that. You're able to
take an intergalactric if some of thepeople are right, they're right in UFOs.
I've read those books that say they'recoming through portals. Those are interesting.
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Those are a little out there forme, but who knows. So
the kids must be beaming with prideand just empowered and beaming with pride and
suit, just stoked in general.What a fantastic impression you're putting on them.
It's like they're going to remember thisthe rest of their lives. Well,
and what's really cute is we've gottenso much great support from for everything
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from the school to the district,to the school board, all of them.
But also like our local newspaper.Every year I go in and I
try to buy a copy of thenewspaper for every one of my kids.
They won't let me. They justgive me a bundle and they're like,
it's for the kids. So thekids get a souvenir, they get a
copy of the paper with themselves init to keep. And you know,
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when Clallam County had it, theysent a huge box of goodies for the
kids that had little statues in itand it had sasquatch lip bomb and stickers
and it's the kids are so tickled. Oh yeah, they must be just
over the moon about the whole thing. Well, not to mention my first
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year, the first question I gotwhen I said we were going to be
in the newspaper, hands went up. I said, yeah, what's the
question. What's in newspaper? AsI said, they know what it is.
This group, thank goodness, knewwhat a newspaper was. I've had
a few that did not. That'sso funny. I was like, how
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are we that removed? Now we'rejust getting old. They'll figure out when
they start watching Seinfeld reruns. Thereyou go. I saw that the one
kid Xander in your CLASSI heard asasquatch or to call them. Any of
their kids have any stories at all? A few had very minus stories.
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Most of the stories were things likeI had. I had probably three or
four different kids that had stories likemy dad and I were out fishing and
we looked up and across the riversomething moved. It was in the bushes.
It was really big. We couldn'ttell what it was, but it
looked like something stood up and thenleft. And I'm like, well,
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you absolutely could have seen something,honey. Plus, it's so good first
and foremost to hear that these kidsare doing things like going out and fishing
with their dads and stuff. Iwas just like, yes, get out
there. And one of the mainthings that they got really excited about when
we were writing the letters was whenI taught them what at the end of
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a letter, what a call andat the end of their essays what a
call to action was. And whenthey realized that within their essays at the
end of it they could say thingslike, so let's all get out in
the woods as much as we can. That way we can prove once and
for all that this is real.They were so excited by that to learn
that they can include something like acall to action at the end of an
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essay and feel like just then theirvoices were heard. That was before we
even started to get into the letterpart. So it's been just such a
gift to watch these kids blossom intothis every year, and to watch how
much they grow from the beginning tothe end is just amazing. Well,
I can honestly say, I meanfrom you know, my time and education
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and moving onto the bigfoot world andall my weird life path, I mean,
you are a gift to those children. So thank you. Thank you
for all you do for all thechildren, because their echoes of this are
going to reverberate through time. Youknow, you've affected these children in a
way that every teacher does that theteachers just cannot comprehend. You just never
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know what you're going to do orsay. You might you might have started
a biologist who might be able tostudy these animals in the wild once are
actually discovered. I mean, whoknows, and just my hat, my
hat is off to you. Ican't say enough good things about what you've
done, So thank you so muchfor everything. Well, thank you,
and thanks for shining a spotlight onit, because honestly, one, yeah,
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these kids are getting some fame outof it. Okay, that's cute,
but they're learning so much and ifother kids can learn from this,
let's keep it going. Thank youfor everything you're doing for the children,
for the future, for the community, for the state, for sasquatches,
and also for us coming on theshow and talking about your efforts. It
is so cool, so neat tohear what's actually going on, especially with
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all the bad rap that so oftenhas heard about the education system that there's
I mean, I know it's notwith the media portraits because I was in
it. I was in the trenches. I know this, but still getting
word out that they're shining beacons oflight like this, like this lesson plan
that you developed up there. Ihope you know. It just is so
refreshing and so great to hear aboutI can't thank you enough. Clearly,
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I keep talking about it. Ican't thank you enough. You thank you
enough? No, no, no, thank you, thank you you Well.
That wraps up this. Andrews,a fifth grade teacher from Hope wey
On, and her class, Thankyou guys for doing all that and people
you like Miss Andrews, keep itsquatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's
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Bobo. How you doing, myfriend? Not too shabby? How are
you? Not so bad? Notso bad? Pretty good day. Spend
a lot of it on the phone, though, I'll tell you that it's
been a great week. So muchto catch up with you about it.
Actually, yeah, I kind oflie. I am shabby, but I'm
(00:45):
doing good. Yeah, I amhanging in there. I'm hanging in there
for sure. Yeah. I talkto a couple of various people today on
the phone that I don't connect withtoo much. I a for Renee for
a while. Oh you did shegot to England or something? Yeah,
yeah, she was over there.She went over there for a little while
and then she's back now and yeah, yeah, so that was kind of
cool, kind of caught up alittle bit on that and what she's been
(01:06):
up to. And she's doing someyou know, some science stuff, some
kids stuff, you know. Ithink what is she called green bathing or
no, no, she nature deficit, something immersion or other. I don't
know, getting kids in the woodsbasically what it comes down to. She
had a term for it, becauseshe's fancier than I am in a lot
of ways. But I don't Idon't remember exactly what that is. But
it was good catching up with her. Well, you can charge more if
(01:26):
you if you call it, ifyou get a title like that to say
where are the kids in the wood, to say we're doing a green environment
that you can charge twice as much. You put a lot of syllables in
the words. Make it fancy,yeah, like audible primates, audible primates.
Extension learning is another way of saying, you know, bigot beyond podcast
(01:47):
right or something like that. Idon't know, I don't know, but
yeah, but it's always nice catchingup with her. But I was in
the woods this week and lo andbehold, I found some interesting stuff.
Man. Trying to add a newarea, a new area, which is
really cool. I actually been tothat. I went to this area probably
ten or fifteen years ago, andand it's just one of those things.
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The show started and it's kind offar enough out there that it's hard to
get to the roads are extraordinarily shoddy, to say the very least. In
fact, it's so far out there. My nerd bigfoot investigator friends and I
have started calling it the Outer Rim, which is, you know, a
Star Wars reference for all all younerds in the audience. There might be
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a couple of you out there.Yeah, so we're calling this the calling
this area the Outer Rim now.And so I went out there. There's
this obscure pond that has no roadsor trails associated with it. So I
went out there and checked it out. And Dave, my friend and employee
here at the ANBC, we weparked at the at the dead end road
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there and we went out off trail. It's about a half mile or a
mile or something like that out offto this little pond. And on the
way out I found this big impression. I go, oh, this is
interesting. It's kind of a littlevague. Those may maybe toes, I'm
not quite sure. And it wasseventeen inches long by seven inches wide.
So that's again, man, that'spretty big, man. But that's interesting.
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That's interesting. I took a coupleof pictures of it. But you
know what else I did, Melissaand I upgraded our phones this week.
So I have a fancier phone now, so I downloaded one of those three
D scanning apps and I took somescans, and man, it's a game
changer. It's a game changer,holy smokes. But I'll get back to
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that in a minute. In fact, if you check. But I just
text to a short little video andI'll get to that thing. I sent
you a video. Yeah. Soanyway, I found the seventeen by seven
impression out there, and again,this is off trail totally randomly, is
kind of near a creek. Andthen we make it to this pond and
we circumnavigate the pond and it's apretty big pond actually, you know,
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it's not like you know, fishlake size or something like that, but
it's pretty big, at least anacre or two I would say, probably
a least an acre and a halfor something. Anyway, going around the
pond, I find more seventeen byseven impressions in two different locations. And
one of the locations, you know, how like at the side of a
pond or creek or lake, ratherlike the reeds are very often you know,
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like down at the surface of thewater and there's mud underneath it,
so the impressions went through that,so there's no chance in casting them.
I was just look at that.How'd you cast that? Yeah? You
really? I mean, you cantry, but you'd be lucky to get
anything. And I've certainly put plasterin a lot of things that I didn't
think, you know, a lotof leaf litter and reeds in my time,
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and generally I just kind of wasteplaster. But yeah, but the
first time I found this, orthe second time, I guess that,
well, the first time was onthe way there. So the first time
I found it around the lake,there were three of these three or four
of these impressions about seventeen inches longthat showed the suggestions of toes seven inches
wide, all in this one area. And that's really cool. This is
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really cool. Then we walk furtherand then you know, halfway across the
pond like thing on the other side, we find another one. So we
had three different locations where we foundimpressions that I thought probably were footprints,
and they all matched the same sizeand same shape and same dimensions. I
think that's it. Do you geta step lank? Did you get consecutive
ones? A good measure of steptwo out of three of those, No,
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we didn't. That's that we lackedthat two out of three of those.
They were single prints, you know. And then there's reasons for that.
It's we didn't, you know,disappear into the ether or some nonsense
or portals. But it was justlike the substrate was only good in that
one spot, and everything else istough. And these were fairly old anyway,
but that one spot where there weretwo or three or four of them
all together, it didn't seem likeit was walking around necessarily. It seemed
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more like it was like kind ofthe standing around and left several footprints in
this one area. There were acouple in secession. There were about thirty
five thirty six inches in between steplength something like that, So pretty pretty
decent size, you know, butyou know, nothing crazy or anything like
that. So yeah, that cool. And then remember there are no trails
or roads or anything going to thiswater hole here, right, So we're
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walking down the creek this little tricklethat comes out of the pond, and
it's going down towards the abandoned roadthat we parked at the end of.
There's a big they brimed up thiswhole thing, and we're walking down there.
We get to the road, theabandoned part of the road, which
is probably two or three hundred yardseast or south or something like that of
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where we park the car. Andso we get down there and the trickle
is going across the roads and boom, right there in front is a trackway,
a pretty clear trackway of juvenile prints. These things were like nine inches
long. They were so cool.Yeah, And then like a holy crap,
and there were like one we foundI think four or five of them
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in a row there. We've welocated another one going the opposite direction about
thirty or forty yards away on thesame road. I cast two of those,
I believe. I sent you scansof those. I scanned them all
too in this app thing. Man, unbelievable. And then, uh,
look, while those were drawing,I looked around and I found another very
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possible fourteen inch track about one hundredhundred and twenty yards down the road in
another wet spot. You know.So yeah, so we very possibly found
three different individuals footprints that day.Definitely one or two, I think,
But that fourteen incher is a maybe. I think it's a definite possible though
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sounds like a yeah, mom anddad and a young young girl. Yeah,
well, I think the seventeen mightbe hanging out at that pond kind
of a lot, because man,I've got like, I mean, this
place is not easy to get to. It's it's far flung, it's way
it's in the outer rim. Man. This is like, you know,
like this is like tattooing. Youknow, this is like way out there.
You just don't go there really.But despite of that, I have
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like four or five reports from there. So when you look at the ratio
of information coming out of this areaversus the number of people who actually go
there, it's pretty high. SoI'm very, very encouraged of this place.
Now, I sent you the scansof the two juvenile footprints in the
ground. I just texted those toyou, so I don't know if you
have those or not, but youcould always take a look at those really
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cool stuff. I will send thescans of some of these footprints to Matt
prud and you can post them inour members section in case anybody's who's listening
to this regular episode as a member. You go to the Patreon you can
see these scans of the footprints.I think they're pretty cool and I think
they're legit, man, So I'mgonna be keeping a very close eye,
as you know, as often asI could spare them in the words of
Gandalf, to go check out thisarea. So yeah, that sounds awesome,
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pretty exciting week man, new areawith several very likely footprints from it.
I'm gonna keep on going there,and you know, I think Melissa's
gonna be out of town in anotherweek or two. I might try to
maybe spend the night down there.We'll see. Yeah, but this technology,
man, everybody should get the scanningapp. Holy crap, what's there?
The app? Well, there's severalscanning apps that are all probably equally
good. The one I happen tohave on my phone right now. I'm
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not endorsing or anything like that becauseI don't know if they're the best or
not. I'm probably gonna play aroundwith other technologies as well. The one
I happen to have is called scana Verse, but there are several that
I could choose from, and oneor two people that I consulted with said,
oh, this is what I haveand I like it. So I
just got that one because a coupleof the people I know are already using
it. I probably should download oneor two others just to give the other
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ones a test ride. And ofcourse, if anybody out there is listening
and you work for one of thesecompanies or you know something rad or better,
by all means, let me know, let me know what I can
do with it, et cetera.I'm looking to maximize this technology for my
uses here, so if anybody canhelp me out with that, I would
appreciate it. So, yeah,that was cool. That was really cool.
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An exciting week there. Oh andI got a great story together today
in the shop. You know,I'm not you know, stories or stories,
you know how I am about thatacross the road. Cool, that's
great, you know that sort ofthing. But this, this story is
kind of cool. This woman camein. She's eighty years old and this
story happened to her when she waseleven, So that puts it at what
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like nineteen fifty five, I thinksomething like that. So this happened in
nineteen fifty five out in Scottpoose,Oregon, which is on the Columbia River,
just a little bit west of Portland, in that general area northwest of
Portland, and she was out ridingon trails on a Shetland pony of all
things. Now mind you, shewas alive. She was riding on a
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Shetland pony, which is adorable tobegin with, and she's you know,
kind of overgrown trails and that sortof thing. She's out there, had
a trotting along and a very largesasquatch basically reaches out like ambush predator,
reaches out from the trail from thebrush on the side of the trail and
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scoops up her horse that she's on, scoops up her Shetland pony, lifts
them both up, realizes, holycrap, that's not a deer or whatever.
You know, there's a girl onthe back of that thing. Drops
it, stares at her for amoment, and then bolts the opposite direction
off into the brush. Wait,how to pick her up? Did she?
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Did? She tell you? Like, work out like both hair.
I use both arms obviously, likeyou pick up a dog, like from
underneath, you know, like inbetween the light, like scooped scooped up
the horse that she was on,you know, and then I briefly picked
her up for like just a momentbefore it realized this mistake, dropped and
then bolted the other direction. Ohmy god, not crazy. That's one
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of the craziest things I've heard.And of course she goes, yeah,
I and she said that it didn'tscare her because it was so fast.
She didn't really understand what was goingon. She thought it was just like
this big dude, like it lookedlike she said, it was like this
big dude covered in hair, reallyweird. But she just thought it was
a really really really really really bighuman. And now looking back, she
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realized, well, that was ahuman. What a was I thinking?
You know, that just a bighuman covered in hair. Out that's crazy.
And of course the the Shetland ponyfreaked out and then just told you
know, went crazy and ran off. And so she was kind of holding
on to it, you know,on the back, trying to stay onto
it as a little eleven year oldgirl. But still, what a what
a wild story that is. Canyou imagine having that experience? And I
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took her in the back room atthe NABC and I said, hey,
here's Murphy. Tell me what's thesame, what's different, as I often
do, and she goes, oh, you know what, the skin was
not that colled the skin was morebrown, because Murphy's kind of this grayish
black sort of skin color. Andhe said, well, then the the
skin was more brown than that,and the hair was a little bit longer
here and there, and that kindof thing. And again nitpicked, and
she said it was also the onethat she saw. Mind you, she
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was eleven, and she admitted thather memory might be a little distorted because
of the time period it's been set, you know, sixty nine years after
all. She said that its seemeda lot bigger than Murphy, but Murphy
is six seven and a half feettall. And she said that when she
went back to the spot with herdad there was a nine foot tall branch
that the thing might have touched orbumped upon her did something like that.
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So her dad believed her. Yeah, apparently so apparently, so do they
find evidence to her dad find anyevidence? She didn't mention it. She
didn't mention it. No, Butreally cool, lady. What's funny is
I have heard been picking the stuffup and carrying it, but it's you
know, it's been like pigs sheepand that seal and John Greensburg seal up
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in thea Bay and then I guesspeople have seen him carrying chickens and peace
under their arms, like they justpicked it up and carried it off alive.
And some deers I've heard of that, but usually take care about the
neck and snapped the neck right away. So you wonder if I was taking
it a lit, if I wastaking it alive, you know, trying
to take it somewhere alive. It'skind of interesting. I don't know.
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I think the whole thing happened sofast that she I mean, I don't
think she really had a good comprehensionof what was going on at the time,
but you know, she got apretty good look at it. And
I asked her about the eyes,because you know, I'm always interested.
Did you see the sclera which isthe white part? She goes, you
know, no one's ever asked methat, and I don't remember, but
I seem to think I did,you know. And so yeah, she's
been very great witness. You know, she's just honest and kind of like,
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I'm not I don't remember, andoh yeah I know this, so
that and it's just very matter offact and you know, good natured about
the whole thing. And yeah,she was great there. It just happened
to be driving by actually and sawthe sign and she goes, you know,
I saw one of those ones weshould stop, and then she did,
Wow. See that's amazing. It'slike, so it's got this great
story and it's just happenstance that youget to hear it. You know.
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It's just it's that's how most ofit goes, you know. It's like
I've heard more stories it adverted likethat that I have, like people seeking
me out to tell me totally.Totally. It's kind of neat to have
a place like the nabc's and it'slike this beacon, you know, beacon
of hope that people can come inand share their stories or whatever and we
can write them down and plot themon a map and see if there's any
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patterns and all that sort of stuff. It's a lot of fun. Yeah.
Anyway, that's that's what I've beenup to. Stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Yeah, so I said about that, probably my buddy was gonna buy
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behind like three lock gates. There'sonly two other parcels inside this one.
Hundred thousand acres. He would bethe only full time resident in there.
There's two like hunting cabins. Iguess there's a house and stuff with people
don't live there anymore. Is thereroom for a trailer? Dude that's gonna
say, get it? Yeah?They got five more weeks a escraw?
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Okay, all right, very good. Well, if you do happen to
take the trailer, I'd be great, by the way, because we're dealing
with wood right now, all thosetrees and stuff that dropped in the property
in January. We have a millon the property right now and we're milling
up all the wood, and weneed some storage and all this other stuff.
But if you do actually come upand take the trailer, in a
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way, I'll be sad because Iwon't have something to tease you about every
week. But in another way,I'll be really stoked because of the room.
And I will be sure to videotapeit. I will video it's removal
for audio. Something can check itout. I look up to the hitch
and I full off. It justtears the hitch out and they just breaks
from the wheels. The axle fallsoff. You drag it out yeah,
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drag it out with sparks behind it, starting a big fire, burn down
Whistle in neighborhood. It's in goodshape, actually, I don't think that's
I mean it hasn't. It's actuallybeen moved once. We had to pull
it out and then reput it backin there because of a I was soaring
something for my next runna for Gary. We had an old car in there
for a little while. So yeah, we actually took it out and put
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it back in. So it's stillrolls, it's still good. You know,
it's inside. There shouldn't be aproblem with it. I mean,
it's probably pretty tight. I don'tthink if there's any rats or anything then
it. I haven't been in itlike a year, but I keep offering
people to sleep inside if they want, so they all do. I'm sure
no one's no one's brave enough todo it yet, are you serious?
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Yeah, no one's brave enough togo in there. Like Shane and like
Todd Hale were in the house andand nobody wanted to sleep in it.
This is killer. I sleep betterthan just about anywhere. Well, anyway,
you were talking, I'm sorry,tell me about the property. I'm
sorry. The guy who owned it. He's been he lit up there for
like sixty years or something. Hepassed away his phone mowers are selling it.
They didn't know any bigfoot stories offoff the top of their heads all
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the time. Maybe not that theysay they've only seen one bear. It's
real rebot. They've only seen theysaw a fathers hunting team one time walking
on foot twenty years ago. YouOther than that, they've never seen anyone
out on their property. I meanthey see them like further away, like
a mile or two away, likedown you know, where they can hike
any easier. But there's it's reallyhard to get to you Like there's it's
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you got to walk so far toget past those gates to get in there.
It's I mean, I don't knowif you got to go like seven
miles or something through block gates toget back in there. And where the
branch is, it's kind of it'skind of isolated, like there's stuff to
the west and north and east thatdefinitely like you knows habaitat, but the
closest so let's get to that,probably thinking about a mile and a half
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and so, I mean I'm surethey walked, you know, cut across
and stuff like that. But there'sno like a he the family members didn't
have any ongoing or you know,they never heard him talk about it,
so they don't know if he justdidn't talk about it and they had stuff
habit or stuff just never happened.The only one way to find that is
go there and spend some time,right Oh yeah, yeah, yeah definitely,
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or at least make the new propertyowners aware that there might be something
going on. They just planted newfruit trees. Yeah, there's there's a
there's like horses in the corral goingin there's they're gonna get chickens and also
get some rabbits too, because theylove rabbits. Just get something kind of
loud, you know, something makessome noise. They'll probably get a goat.
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He'll probably get a couple of goatsfor fire control. Yeah. So,
I mean he said, I cando expeditions there, you know,
go out there one full access toit. He wants he wants to you
know, he wants to document ifthey're there. He's down for trying to
document them. So put in somerecording equipment and have some good stuff out
there and see what happens. Righton, man it's nice to have a
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preserve that you can go on anytimeyou want. Yeah, for sure,
it's gonna be killer. Yeah,a little little protective zone, which actually
is a fantastic segue into our gueststoday. That's as much as people would
probably love to hang out with justyou and I, we have an amazing
guest that has been doing some greatstuff for the Sasquatch. But before we
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know. Well, without much furtherto do. I mean, we have
a fantastic guest this week. We'resuper, super excited and you've probably many
of our listeners probably have heard aboutthis effort spearheaded by this woman. Our
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guests today a fifth grade teacher fromHoquiam, Washington at Lincoln Elementary School.
Her name is Andrea Andrews, andshe has been doing great work. She
is a do gooder in the veryvery best way. Andrea, thank you
so much for coming on big Foringand Beyond with us. Oh absolutely,
thank you for having me. Rea. So happy that you can make it
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because you are You are just abeacon of light in this dark world we
live in. Because you are doingsomething that almost nobody else is doing.
You're advocating for the safety of sasquatches. Now, there's really very few ways
to do that at this point,especially getting the government involved. I mean,
I've been advocating for protecting public landand whatnot. That's the one way
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that everybody can get involved and protectsasquatches. But you've been doing something else
entirely. Can you please tell usand our listeners about the efforts you've been
making. Certainly so the last fewyears we have been my class fifth graders
have been taking a specific county thatI assigned to them, and what they're
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doing is we go through multiple steps, which I'm sure we'll get into,
but what they end up doing isthey are actually writing letters to the commissioners
of that county, whichever county itis, to ask that we have laws
in place to protect bigfoot. Becausewhen we first started this, we realized,
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well, I had noticed that weonly had laws in Wokham County and
Scamania County and Washington State, andthose laws had been in place for quite
a while, nineteen sixty nine forSchamania, nineteen ninety one for Walkham County,
and nothing had been done since.So the whole point was to get
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kids one writing too involved in allof their government stuff, because none of
them were having time to learn abouttheir local civic stuff. We just don't
have time for that anymore. We'reso focused on ELA and math, which
was great, that's awesome that we'redoing that, But this is a great
way to just kind of sneak itin there, but then make them have
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to learn all of the Let's dosome scientific research, let's do some writing,
let's do some persuading. So it'spretty awesome, ready, kids anti
Bigfoot. You know, every yearI end up with a group that we
don't call it antype Bigfoot. I'lltell you what we call it. We
call it the time Savers. Whatthey do is there by the end of
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the project, we end up splittingthe class in two, and one side
can be much larger than the other. Last year I had two that were
on the no, we don't needlass side, But this year I had
probably about ten to ten on oneside, fifteen on the saving Sasquatch side.
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And then what they do is theyhave to construct a persuasive letter to
the Saving Sasquatch side of their classthat says, we're the time savers.
We think you're wasting your time.Here's why. Now that's not necessarily kids
that don't believe in Bigfoot. Someof them are kids who believe in Bigfoot
but just don't think we need loss. Okay, there's quite a few of
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them that truly believe in Bigfoot butdecide that we don't need laws to protect
Sasquatch. And they have different reasons. Some of them, I'll tell you
right now. Some of my boys, they're hunters, and they think that
we should have a hunting season sothat we can have a body to research.
So that was actually okay, I'llgive you that it was legit.
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Are there consequences to the civic notionsthat you've passed at this point? I
mean, or is it just likeMason County, for example, is kind
of thumbs down against it. No, here's the difference between the ones that
we've gotten. We have gotten bothproclamations and resolutions. Okay, we'll walk
us through the difference on those twothings. Yes, so, and it's
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taken me a while to figure thisout. So with the proclamations, basically,
the county is saying, hey,we're making a notice out loud that
if you happen to run into Bigfootand it turns out to be real,
please don't harm it. Let's leaveit alone so we can continue to study
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it kind of thing. So we'remaking it a refuge area now with a
resolution. They're actually stating within theresolution, if Bigfoot turns out to be
real, it is then probably anendangered species, so we would want to
protect it as that. So they'resaying, don't even think about it.
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So it's just one step deeper.But none of them so far have finds
consequences, none of that or teeth. I guess if you want to say
none of them happen. Actually,I think I could be wrong, but
I'm pretty sure that the Scamania Countyone is the only one that actually has
fines attached to it. Okay,yeah, yeah, I think I think
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that's right. Actually, and thefinds were originally ten thousand dollars, but
they dropped in eighty four when theyre established it, yeah, to some
much much smaller amount. I can't. Yeah, is this your brain child?
Like you saw that? Like,hey, this is a really cool
way to get my students involved doingmulti curricular activities like this, you know,
like writing and reading and civics andgovernment, like all these sort of
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different subject areas condensed into one project. Was this your idea and you saw
the need or how did this ideacome about? Yes, So how it
came about was when I was incollege getting my teaching CERTs and all that
stuff. I was getting my bachelor'sdegree and one of the classes that I
had was, hey, you guysare going in at a time where because
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this was probably six seven years ago, in one of my classes and they
were like, you're going into teachingat a time where ELA and math are
what you're going to spend very muchmost of your day on. That's just
how it is. And ELA isEnglish language arts, English language arts.
Sorry, yes, So they said, you know that's pretty much what you're
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going to be stuck with. Soone of our classes was, we need
you to take this and go acrosscurriculum and either take my or English and
build a lesson that is going togo across at least you know, one
or two other subjects. So Istarted doing it, and I kept going
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with it and building it, andI turned it in and my professor was
really good about it. He waslike, Okay, here's your a.
You did a great job. You'vegiven me all the evidence for it,
but be careful with this. Alot of people are going to look at
it as you're trying to get allthe kids to believe that sasquatch is real,
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and somebody might take that the wrongway. But here's the thing with
that. I don't do that.Even though I'm I'm a believer, I'm
out there, you know, listeningand hoping to hear things and see things.
However, I don't start it thatway with the kids. The kids
start day one with a piece ofpaper that has on one side a sasquatch
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cute cartoony one giving a thumbs up, and on the other side a bear
doing the same thing. They decideday one, what do you believe.
Do you believe sasquatch is an animalthat has simply not been identified yet,
or do you believe sasquatch sightings arean animal we already know of, like
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a bear that has been misidentified.They make their decision, tape it to
their spot, and then they areinstructed you are allowed to change this at
any point as many times as youwant to through the next few weeks.
Then we go in. I preloadinto their Google classroom files that have vetted
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research. So I go in andI find different things on both sides like
I've got you got, I've gotlittle clips of you guys that I found
on YouTube. I've got an articleabout Jeffrey Meldrum and is cast collection and
how all that works. I've gotthings on gigantopithecus in there. I've got
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things on bear walking like humans.It's scary how much they can look like
a human when they walk. SoI want all sides to be covered.
But then they have to do thescientific research, go through and decide what
do I believe. Once they makeup their mind completely, they then have
to learn how to we go throughthe steps to learn how to write a
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five paragraph essay, and for fifthgraders that's a lot. I remember the
days, yeah, right. Infact, I imagine there's a couple of
my former students out there listening tothis. They probably remember the days too,
right. So what we do isthey write me a five paragraph essay
with evidence backing it, telling me, yes, I believe Sasquatch is real,
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here's why, or no, Idon't and here's why. But I
want that evidence in there. Iwant to see you've done your research on
We get past that. That's whenwe split the class and then as a
group they write their letters. Welearn how to write persuasive letters at that
point, and those letters are directedat who the saving Sasquatch side, they
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direct theirs to the county commissioners ofwhichever county I have assigned them that year,
and I just choose the county.And then the other side is the
time savers, where they're sending theletter to the other half of the room,
telling them why they're wasting their timetrying to get laws to protect Sasquatch,
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why they shouldn't do it, whatthe benefits are. They have to
do research on their endto stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after thesemessages. So the county commissioners and whoever
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at whatever county they receive a packetof letters. And then what's the next
step from there to actually getting thisstuff on paper and making it official.
Well, the letter part they writeas a group. So they only received
one letter and it's from Miss AndrewsClass, fifth grade class. They introduced
themselves in the letters as we arethe students of Miss Andrews' fifth grade class.
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That way, I'm not putting theirnames out there. Initially and then
once they get the letter, whathas happened in the past, It's gone
down a couple different ways. Whenwe did Grace Harbor, we were in
twenty twenty two. We were stillwhere they were doing zoom meetings, only
they weren't doing in person meetings atall, so they had just a tiny
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little room and they sent us avideo later of themselves recorded doing this meeting
and they were on there and itwas so cute. There was only probably
five people in the room. Theysat there and they started telling stories about
well I remember when I was inhigh school and I had my own experience,
and it was really cool to watchthem and they were just they were
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having a blast with it. Andthen after that we went to Clollham County,
which when we did Clollen County,they have the wonderful Sasquatch What's coming
up the festival that they have SasquatchDays up there and Cliff, I saw
you there last year. Yeah.Absolutely, when they have that, they
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actually put that into their resolution.It was great, they actually listed it
in their resolution. But they withClollham County, they had us zoom in
to the meeting and watch the wholeprocess. Go down live, so the
kids got to watch that. Well, then this year the kids got to
do the same thing. We hadbeen invited to go in person, but
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we weren't able to find transportation becauseit was such short notice. But it
was so nice of them they invitedthe whole class to come up and go
in person to see it. Whatgot you had? A bigfoot has a
high IQ? Well, I'll tellyou. I grew up with my dad
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telling me an awesome bigfoot story thathe had had an experience when he was
in his early twenties back in thesixties. And it was such a cool
story because it was like him andhis friend and they were out fishing at
a lake locally, and it wasone of those where it's a lake tucked
back in the middle of nowhere,and all of a sudden they'd hear something
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on the other side of the lake. They had split up. My dad
thinks it's his friend, his friendthinks it's him, and then all of
a sudden, boulders like big rocksstart flying all the way out into the
middle of the lake, and there'sno way a human could a thrown rocks
that far, And then they starthigh tailing it out of there, they're
hearing something behind them. So itwas this awesome story that he's telling me
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about it, and I grew upwith that story, just loving it.
So I always had the notion ofwhat if, what if? What if
there's something out there? And thenthe last what fifteen twenty years, we
start getting all these great shows,like you guys had done a great show.
There's only one. There's only onegreat big fit show that I'm sorry,
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right, I know, it's Iknow, I agree with you,
it's my favorite. I agree,So I think you guys should bring it
back. I'm just saying. Butwith all these great shows and stuff,
my dad and I started watching themtogether, which has been so much fun
as an adult to now get towatch them with him because he'll see things
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and he'll be like, oh see, yep, just like that, just
like that, or you know,and I'm just like ooh, and I
just I love the what ifs.I really do. I'm a big fan
of what ifs. And I'm abig fan of not making up your mind
until you've at least tried to explorethings. And I try to share that
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with the kids, and I thinkthat's a lot of why I chose to
go down this path as well isI want the kids to explore the what
if and I want the kids torealize that one, if there's something out
there that you want to explore,go explore it. But two, if
there's something out there you want tochange, use your local government, use
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your scientific research, get out thereand do the legwork, make those changes
happen. Yeah, you're empowering thenext generation. And then what can be
better than that? And what else? Is really the purpose of civic education?
You know? I mean education ingeneral is a betterment of oneself and
learning about this amazing place that we'reoccupying for sixty eighty years or so.
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But as far as like the civicsand government and persuades, the writing and
all, but they what a fantasticuse of all of this to do something
good for something else instead of themselves, Because we live in such an egocentric,
look at me sort of world andto do something for something, to
do something good for an animal thatmost people don't even realize is real.
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It's just an astonishing achievement that you'vebeen undertaken here. This is fantastic well,
and honestly coming from a low socioeconomicarea. I truly think that a
lot of these kids don't understand thatthey can make a difference in the world.
I really don't think they understand that. And I want them to know
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how even as kids, your voiceis being heard. You just have to
use it, get out there andmake a difference, do something. And
they're seeing that and to get inthe newspapers and these kids are blown away.
The other day they I did aquick morning show appearance on a Canadian
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radio show and the kids were like, they know us in Canada. The
world thinks the world knows who weare. And I was like, yes,
that's right, Yes they do.I did not show them a map
to show them how close Vancouver,BC actually is to us. I was
like, yes, you're right,we're world famous. Now, well,
hey, Matt prut, if youdon't mind stepping in just for a moment,
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please, what are some of thecountries that are listening right now?
Oh, we get listeners all overthe world. There's many countries in Africa,
many countries in Asia, Australia obviously, all over Europe, and so
we've got a pretty big listenership worldwide. I counted one time we like eighty
something countries listening to us. Wow. Yeah, we usually make it,
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you know, in the top onehundred at least in the natural sciences category,
and very often in the top fiftyfor many countries around the world.
So very grateful for all the worldwidelisteners. My kids will not know what
to do with themselves when they hearabout that. Hope are not encourage them
to just be like TikTok stars orsomething like that. Well, and it's
interesting too because Mason County that galwas so impressed the commissioner that she told
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us she actually forwarded our letter tothe state legislature and asked them, do
you have any interest in following upon this and taking it on at the
state level? I told the newspaper. I said, well, I guess
if that happens, we're just gonnahave to start going state to state after
this. So next I'm just saying, so back to when this first started
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back in twenty twenty two, andyou were petitioning grays Harbor County specifically where
hoch Liam is located, and aton of bigfoot stuff. Bigfoot stuff has
happened in the past, the famousstuff from nineteen eighty two with all the
sheriff Tennis Herriford and all those otherpeople at the deputy when the word got
back and like grays Harbor County basicallysaid yeah, you know, this is
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cool, We're going to do this. What was the reaction, the initial
reaction when it was done from theparents and from the students in particular,
and also from your colleagues at theschool. That's what I was about,
is a parent blowback. That's whatI was wondering about. Well, I
still do this day, have parentswho at conference will be like, Okay,
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what's up with the bigfoot thing?And I'll be like, no,
no, no, okay, here, let me explain it to you.
And once I explain the entire process, even those that are very much naysayers
are okay with everything and understand thatthe process is very scientific, is very
research based, is very much learninghow to write all of that. It's
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very academic. It's not that I'msaying once again, hey, I'm going
to improve to you that bigfoot isreal. No sasquatch. Whether they're real
or not, that's your decision tomake. But we're going to learn a
lot and we're gonna do a lotof research for you to make that decision,
Well, what per some of yourkids like change their mind or come
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in like like, let's the racebelieve not believe that when you start and
after so it's different year to year. I will say that this year I
had probably ten out of twenty eightnot believe when we started, and by
the end of it, I hadabout ten on the Timesavers side. But
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if a handful of those had changedto believing, just not believing, we
needed laws for protection. When Iwas teaching the last school I taught at
before TV grabbed me and put meon a different path. My first year
there I taught fourth grade. Mysecond year there I taught sixth grade.
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It was only that that last schoolfor two years and then the fourth grade
classroom. I remember very specifically mywonderful principal name Holly. She's great,
loved a bits she and I beforeschool started, Like one of my first
meetings with her, she drove me. She was attending a workshop down down
south of it in Oregon here andso I carpooled with her there because she
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wanted me to take the same workshopwith her. And this is before I
even started working at the school andI remember on the way back, I
turned her and said, so,uh, Holly, you didn't google me
before you hired me, did you? And she and I saw like aler
of the blood flushed out of herface for a minute. She could hear
in a little bit wide and goes, So she turns me and goes,
no, what, what am Igoing to find out? You know?
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And I'm sure she had all sortsof horrible things, way worse than what
I told her. And I said, well, asked it's a bigfoot thing.
She goes, what, And thenI started talking to her about and
several times. She then erupted andjust like went what you know, because
because I was already necked deep intoit, right, there's nothing I can
do about it at that point.And she asked me, because I was
teaching fourth grade, and when infourth grade versus the end of fifth grade
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is earlyst sixth grade, huge difference. I mean, the new fourth graders
are basically old third graders, andthat's a huge difference, right, And
she she asked me, It's like, hey, do you mind if you
keep this on the down low?And it's not because of the weirdness of
the subject or the eccentricity of theirteacher or anything like that, because she
already knew I was kind of aweirdo, but she didn't want me to
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scare the children. Have you runacross any concerns about that. No,
I really haven't. I try veryhard not to let it get too scary.
We talk about I can give youa great example. The kids have
such a good understanding of it.The letter that they wrote this year.
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It was so amazing. One ofmy kids, Michael, he actually has
a line that he got into theletter that he had come up with that
said, look, if in factany of the sightings say that Bigfoot was
aggressive or mean, it's because heprobably was cornered, and Sasquatch was probably
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cornered, and any animal would fightback, even a bunny. I thought
that was great though, even abunny. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'llbe right back after these messages. I'll
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tell you what the district I workfor. I am so lucky when I
went in. I believed in thisso much before it started. When I
went in for the interview with HophamSchool District. This is the lesson I
took with me to sell myself inmy interview, and I had probably fifty
pages worth of artifacts and everything Iwas getting used and lesson plans and it
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was all written out. And Imean, we're talking diversification for different levels,
and I had it all and itwas written up. It was saving
Sasquatch, had the same name everything, and I just I fell in love
with it when I developed it incollege, and I believed in it so
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much that my professor's warned me againstusing it for interviews. No, I
just took it in and sold itand they bought into it. Suckers,
right, they let me go withit, and now here we are and
it's it's been just such a funride change in the world, one county
at a time, that's right.So you're getting a lot of media attention.
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I mean, you're on our podcast, but you know like it sounds
like you were on something in Canadarecently. What other newspapers or television news
blips and stuff that are you awareof that it brought attention to this.
So as far as I know,recently, we've every year we've made it
into our local newspaper, which isAberneen and see Aberdeen Daily World. And
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then I just found out yesterday thatwe made it all the way to the
Seattle Time, so and then it'sreally cute. Uh. The other day
we actually googled the class and Igoogled fifth graders sasquatch, I think is
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all we put in. And I'llbe darned if we didn't pop up all
over the place, including under images. It was just us us us.
I was like, there you go. And they saw that and they were
like, we're famous on Google.I was like, yeah, you're famous
everywhere. Fantastic now, of course, with you sticking your neck out like
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this in a sort of squatchy way. Certainly some parents or colleagues or community
members have brought you their their theirsighting reports and you're like, hey,
hey, well don't tell anybody,but I saw one, you know,
crossing you know, Deacon Road orwhatever. Few You surprised how few?
Though? Oh really I am kindof surprised how few? But then again,
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I'm I'm immersed in this every day, so right A lot have been
like I don't know, and thenI'll have the few that'll be like,
oh yeah, no, I hadthis one time, and I'm like,
oh, tell me, and Ijust love it. It's such a bonding
experience for us. For one,how many times have they been had their
ad eyes rolled at them that kindof stuff? You know that's happening to
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where to have me be let theteacher be like, oh, really,
tell me about it. They getso excited. But you know, the
kids, the first thing they wantto know every year is have you had
anything happen? And I'm like,well, nothing major, but I will
say and I have a We learnabout narrative writing at the beginning of the
school year, and I always usea narrative that I wrote that is just
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a story of It's a true storythat I was sitting on my deck two
years ago. And I live inMontesano, kind of out in the woods
a little bit, not much buta couple miles out, and I was
sitting there and I'll be darned ifI didn't hear wood knocks. I heard
a wood knock and then I heardan answering wood knock that had a different
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tone and was a different rhythm,so I knew it was one to another.
So either I'm hearing Bigfoot or I'mhearing people out sasquatch hunting. There's
no way that's anything other than that. It was so clear and crisp,
and I could hear it and itwas it was absolutely a communication. And
I tell kids, I'm like,I'm like, that was my most exciting
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moment. And they're just like,so you think that Bigfoot lives by your
house? And I'm like, Okay, we need to establish the fact that
we're talking about a real animal,not one guy walking around a hairy guy.
Guys they at this age that iswhere we get the confusion. Oh
well, I mean I at themuseum, I have to counter that weekly
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that people come in they think Bigfootis an individual and he has been seen
for the last two hundred years fromFlorida to British Columbia. He looks great
for his age. Then oh yeah, yeah, fantastic. So what's next?
I mean, Gray's Harbor County,Claham County, Mason County. You're
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knocking them down by like bowling bins, you know, like, like,
what's next? Are you going togo to another county next year? Are
you going to go state level?Or do you have any thoughts on that?
I would liked it. I'm goingto continue the counties as long as
it goes. But I'll tell youwhat, by the Mason County, by
them sending it forward to the state. If the state got a hold of
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me and wanted to back it,absolutely I would take it to the state
level. Do you have any concernsthat your success might actually put you out
of business? Like if cops,like if all cops did like the best
job ever, And mind you,cops do a great job in that's and
they don't. But if they weretotally successful in eradicated crime, there'd be
no need for cops, you know, like you might put yourself out of
a good lesson plan, right,And here's the thing, if that ever
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happened, we can go to state, we can go to countries, but
here we can also then sit backand relax and know that we've done something
good for the scientific world. SoI'm okay with that. You're able to
take an intergalactric if some of thepeople are right, they're right in UFOs.
I've read those books that say they'recoming through portals. Those are interesting.
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Those are a little out there forme, but who knows. So
the kids must be beaming with prideand just empowered and beaming with pride and
suit, just stoked in general.What a fantastic impression you're putting on them.
It's like they're going to remember thisthe rest of their lives. Well,
and what's really cute is we've gottenso much great support from for everything
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from the school to the district,to the school board, all of them.
But also like our local newspaper.Every year I go in and I
try to buy a copy of thenewspaper for every one of my kids.
They won't let me. They justgive me a bundle and they're like,
it's for the kids. So thekids get a souvenir, they get a
copy of the paper with themselves init to keep. And you know,
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when Clallam County had it, theysent a huge box of goodies for the
kids that had little statues in itand it had sasquatch lip bomb and stickers
and it's the kids are so tickled. Oh yeah, they must be just
over the moon about the whole thing. Well, not to mention my first
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year, the first question I gotwhen I said we were going to be
in the newspaper, hands went up. I said, yeah, what's the
question. What's in newspaper? AsI said, they know what it is.
This group, thank goodness, knewwhat a newspaper was. I've had
a few that did not. That'sso funny. I was like, how
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are we that removed? Now we'rejust getting old. They'll figure out when
they start watching Seinfeld reruns. Thereyou go. I saw that the one
kid Xander in your CLASSI heard asasquatch or to call them. Any of
their kids have any stories at all? A few had very minus stories.
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Most of the stories were things likeI had. I had probably three or
four different kids that had stories likemy dad and I were out fishing and
we looked up and across the riversomething moved. It was in the bushes.
It was really big. We couldn'ttell what it was, but it
looked like something stood up and thenleft. And I'm like, well,
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you absolutely could have seen something,honey. Plus, it's so good first
and foremost to hear that these kidsare doing things like going out and fishing
with their dads and stuff. Iwas just like, yes, get out
there. And one of the mainthings that they got really excited about when
we were writing the letters was whenI taught them what at the end of
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a letter, what a call andat the end of their essays what a
call to action was. And whenthey realized that within their essays at the
end of it they could say thingslike, so let's all get out in
the woods as much as we can. That way we can prove once and
for all that this is real.They were so excited by that to learn
that they can include something like acall to action at the end of an
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essay and feel like just then theirvoices were heard. That was before we
even started to get into the letterpart. So it's been just such a
gift to watch these kids blossom intothis every year, and to watch how
much they grow from the beginning tothe end is just amazing. Well,
I can honestly say, I meanfrom you know, my time and education
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and moving onto the bigfoot world andall my weird life path, I mean,
you are a gift to those children. So thank you. Thank you
for all you do for all thechildren, because their echoes of this are
going to reverberate through time. Youknow, you've affected these children in a
way that every teacher does that theteachers just cannot comprehend. You just never
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know what you're going to do orsay. You might you might have started
a biologist who might be able tostudy these animals in the wild once are
actually discovered. I mean, whoknows, and just my hat, my
hat is off to you. Ican't say enough good things about what you've
done, So thank you so muchfor everything. Well, thank you,
and thanks for shining a spotlight onit, because honestly, one, yeah,
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these kids are getting some fame outof it. Okay, that's cute,
but they're learning so much and ifother kids can learn from this,
let's keep it going. Thank youfor everything you're doing for the children,
for the future, for the community, for the state, for sasquatches,
and also for us coming on theshow and talking about your efforts. It
is so cool, so neat tohear what's actually going on, especially with
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all the bad rap that so oftenhas heard about the education system that there's
I mean, I know it's notwith the media portraits because I was in
it. I was in the trenches. I know this, but still getting
word out that they're shining beacons oflight like this, like this lesson plan
that you developed up there. Ihope you know. It just is so
refreshing and so great to hear aboutI can't thank you enough. Clearly,
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I keep talking about it. Ican't thank you enough. You thank you
enough? No, no, no, thank you, thank you you Well.
That wraps up this. Andrews,a fifth grade teacher from Hope wey
On, and her class, Thankyou guys for doing all that and people
you like Miss Andrews, keep itsquatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's
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