Ep. 265 - West Virginia Sasquatchery!

Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay speak with the owners of the West Virginia Bigfoot Museum, David and Laurel Petolicchio! David and his mother Laurel discuss their interests in 'squatchy things, the reports and evidence they receive in West Virginia, and much more in this episode! 

Read more about their museum and the upcoming West Virginia Bigfoot Festival (June 27-29) here: https://wvbigfootmuseum.org

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Episode Transcript

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Big food and be on with Cliffand Bobo. These guys, are you
fav It's so like say subscribe andraid it. I'm stuck and me just
on us today listening watching lim alwayskeep it's watching. And now you're hosts

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Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.Hey, Bobo, how you doing?
Man good? How's it going?Cliff going pretty good? It's going pretty
good. Just getting ready to doa podcast here we're and have a great
guess actually two guests on. We'llget to them in just a few minutes.
But been in the woods a bunchand I'm going again tomorrow. Great
things are happening. I can't it'sastonishing with how much goes on, or

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you know, maybe just you know, I'm a magnet for this sort of
thing because the museum and stuff.But man, a lot of Bigfoot stuff
happens all the time. It's ridiculous. Yeah, you got a lot of
stuff happening. I was supposed togotta get with those guys. Todd Doug
up Bluff Creek a couple of daysago, last week or just a few
days ago. Previous guests are ourlisteners may remember because they're the guys who
cast those footprints in the snow abouta year ago. And then of course

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they also saw a sasquatch in Januarydid a follow up. There were footprints
there. It's legit signing up inup here in Oregon. They've been busy
as well. What do you knowabout it? Well, they just got
back two days ago. They wentout, they got trapped, they got
more cast I'm like, God,you know, I better not good with
these guys because I'll just curse themlike they're on they're on a roll.
They get and stuff all the time. Like I feel like I jinks And

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if I go out there with themnow, because those guys are just killing
it. They are killing it,man, I would hop on that wave
and surfit, you know, gosee some stuff in the ground. It's
amazing what they've been doing. Noit is. I gotta get up there
with those guys. It's just beenthat, like there's a lot of days
I can't go that the times they'regoing, it's like it's always like just
bad timing for me. It's like, God, if I would have known
like a day before, Yeah,well try to get up there when you

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can. And also, you know, if more eyes the better and some
some spots. You know, they'regetting stuff in the same locations. This
was twelve miles away. Yeah,we'll do it. I mean twelve balls
from their last spot they found stuff, Like a couple of weeks ago they
found and this spot was like twelvemills for the road. They're covering some
territory. Yeah they are. Theyare, and they're kind of developing their

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they're seeing, you know, likecluing in with their eyes, you know,
calibrating their eyes to see these things. So good for them, man,
I wish them all the luck inthe world. I can't wait to
and you know, like I keepsaying, I want to make it down
there at the end of summer earlyfall, so I probably drop by and
see them and see the stuff they'vebeen collecting too. It's great, Oh
for sure. Nice. Well wegot we got some more stuff on I

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got some more stuff on Monday,went out to the Old Haunts and I
met a friend out there, sothat was that was really cool. It
turns out my friend I didn't knowmy friend who was going to be out
there, but he texted me inthe middle of it all, and I
happened to have reception for a second. I get a text. I go,
holy smokes, he's out here andhe's casting prints. So I texted
him and found reception, met upwith him. He got two prints that
day from two different drainages. Nowthose drainages are adjacent to one another,

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and I got a print about twomiles away from there the same day,
and so I cast stuff and thisguy cast two prints. So they seem
to be back in the zone rightnow, right on schedule. It seems
like every three months February, May, August, and November, we're getting
casts out of this little area.So right on schedule, they're back again.

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I love it. Some data.Yeah, and this is a pattern
that's pretty much held consistent since twentytwenty. That's significant. It is significant.
It is significant. Now we missedthis past November. The November before,
we didn't get any cast out ofthis area, but it turns out
he did. I didn't find anything, but he found it, like one

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drainage over so that even then,like even though I didn't get the information,
that data still holds. And tomy knowledge, the only break in
this data has been we got somestuff in December, which is fairly rare
you know, they were just afew weeks later or something maybe, but
it might just be a matter ofI didn't see it. Yeah, And
then of course today I come tothe museum. I worked all day in
the museum. Of course, it'sa it's a Tuesday right now, and

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I we get a call early inthe morning and my one of my employees
picks it up and it says,no, we haven't seen it yet,
but we'll get to it real soon, promise. And what was that?
He goes, yeah, somebody saidthat they send us some pictures of some
prints. They go, oh,cool, I always like to see those,
and I start so I start goingthrough email as soon as I can.
What I didn't know is that thoseprints were found yesterday and there was
a there's i don't know, twohundred yards of tracks on a mud flat

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out by the coast. I said, really, and and so basically he's
this guy was fishing out there.I'm not going to tell you the river
because I'm going to I'm going togo there tomorrow. So I've already contacted
the witness, made an arrangement.I got to drive to the coast,
be out there by eight am,which means I'm leaving the house by five
point thirty, so it's gonna bean early day for Cliff tomorrow. But
anyway, I guess these two guyswere fishing one of the local rivers,

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and you know, and they're ontheir jets sled or whatever and kind of
near the mouth like in the estuary, right, And so they're they're floating
around doing their thing out there fishing. And you know how rivers, especially
in estuaries, like there's oftentimes likesilts or sandbars and like making little islands
in the middle. Right, Sothey're out there kind of near one they

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go, oh, look, there'sthere's some footprints over there. They're probably
look how big there? They're probablya bear, right, So they go
they kind of scoot their boat over. They beat it. One guy has
waiters on, the other guy doesnot. So the guy at the waiters
gets out and goes over and looksand think thinking he's going to see bear
tracks, and he goes, ohmy god, you hey, these are
really big and they have toes onthem. And they go, what really,

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And so they start taking pictures.The guy crawls out of the boat
and basically, yeah, they're Imean the size. I'm not sure of
the size. I think they're aboutfourteen inches. And the guy took fifteen
pictures and videos and sent them tome. Now, I this is an
estuary and it's tidally influenced, sothere has been a tide I think that

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has claimed some of them. Andall the photographs of the prints that I
saw were water filled, but youcould see toes. They are sasquatch tracks.
And apparently this thing came out ofthe woods on one side of the
river, crossed a little rivulet likea small little stream sort of thing,
went onto the island and walked outinto the river itself, the river proper,

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trying to get to the other side, where there was a herd of
elk. We don't know if theelk was there at the same time or
not, because all the elk werepresent, and we know that because of
the footprints, But we don't knowif the sasquatch saw the elk or anything.
But you know, one could suppose, but we don't know. We
don't actually factually don't know that.So this thing went out into the river
itself towards a one of these preserves, you know, like there is often

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found in these estuaries the samdbar.Well, no like a forested area.
That is it is like a gamepreserve. No huntings fort area. Okay,
you know, maybe not that gamepreserve, but wildlife preserve is some
sort of you know, game impliesyou can hunt there and you cannot hunt
in this area. So the thingwent over there, and then the guy
actually put his boat on top ofwhere the thing walked in the river.

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He could see the bottom of theriver and the sasquatch tracks in the river
itself, and the thing went outuntil it was I don't know, four
or five feet deep, and thenjust turned around and walked back on the
same island, the same sandbar island, back to the woods from whence it
came. And so you have twotrackways. At first, even in the

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videos that they recorded, they're saying, oh, there are two of them.
Look, this one's going this way, this one's going that way.
No, no, it's actually thesame animal walked to one spot and then
turned around and then walked back.So yeah, they're pretty cool pictures and
we'll see what happens tomorrow. I'llbe out there at eight am at the
boat launch. Because he says,you cannot get there without a boat,

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and so he's going to take meout on his boat tomorrow and we're going
to go check out this area andsee if there's anything castable. He did
go out there about an hour ago. Actually, while just before this spot
podcast here, I got a textfrom him saying that he went out to
the area to see if they werestill there, because there's been a high
tide that may have touched them sincethen. The tides apparently are pretty low

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right now, but he says hewanted to go check it out, but
the tide came up and put waterin them, and then they're going back
down. But he says, no, they're still there. The tide hasn't
messed them up too much. Sowe have one more tide. I guess
between here and there when I'm theretomorrow morning, So keep your fingers crossed
at the tide doesn't do any damageto them, but at the very least,
I'm going to go out there andscour the river banks and see if

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there's any tracks that might have beenpreserved that weren't on the silt bar.
And worst case scenario, I liketo go on a boat ride at the
coast to see sasquatch tracks that areblown out, and it's a nice stay
at the coast. You have strugand go out there. Today. Well,
I had a podcast to do,unfortunately, or I would have should.
Well, you know what, MattPrude has gone today. He's in

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the woods and I think in Georgia'ssomewhere he's and so it was kind of
up to me to run the episode. And I know you could have done
it. But at the same time, I'm the one to set up the
guests today and I and all thatother stuff. So I held to my
responsibility and I am here today.But tomorrow morning eight am I have at
the boat launch. But speaking ofguests, maybe it's time we bring those
in. All right? Who yougot today? We have the two people

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who basically run the West Virginia BigfootMuseum out in Sutton, West Virginia.
I've had my eye on this museumfor a long time because I am a
Bigfoot museum enthusiast, as you canprobably imagine. So let's go ahead and
bring the guests in. David andLaurel Pedalikio. They are the founders and
they're runners. Maybe not the founders, they are the runners of the West
Virginia Bigfoot Museum. So welcome,David and Laurel. Appreciate your time and

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coming on Bigfoot and Beyond with CliftonBobo. Well, thank you so much
for having us. Thanks for havingus. Yeah, yeah, thanks for
showing up. Yeah, a lotof times we have no shows. If
there's a no show, it's eithera me or Bobo, I think.
But yeah, so you guys arethe West Virginia big Foot Museum. When
I heard about this, I waslike, Oh, that's cool, because
I think I think Bigfoot museums arerat I'd like to visit every single one

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of them. I mean, Iown one, that's how great I think
they are. So I actually ownone, and every museum has a different
take on things, and I reallyappreciate that that so much of the owner's
personality is injected into the establishments themselves. But since, no, I don't
I've never met either one of youin person. Have I I don't think
I have. I don't remember it, but not yet, I don't think

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No, hopefully soon, hopefully soon, Yeah, because I don't get out
that way much anymore than I'm nottraveling for a living. But I would
like to get out there at somepoint. So, so, how long
have you guys been doing the Bigfootthing, because certainly there must be a
background interest in bigfoot if you wentahead and opened a Bigfoot museum, right,
Yeah, I would say that probablyme and my dad mostly were into

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cryptozoology stuff in general, a littlebit before the TV show Monster Quest came
out, because I was actually stilla kid when I came out. That
was probably around the time where Igot really big into it, and then
obviously from there I got into Bigfootspecifically, but I have a broad range
of different interests in that field now. I actually was a total non believer

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until we moved here, and inmoving to West Virginia and living in the
very center of the state, whichis extremely rural. We are in one
of the least populated counties in theentire northeast, very very heavily wooded,
and the locals in this area,it's to them, it's just another animal,
and they were not even sure whywe thought this was so special.

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But the amount of stories and theamount of sightings from this area are just
immense, and I think the particularI'm not sure what you'd call them,
whether it's a group or a troopor whatever that live in this area.
Seemed to interact with the mountain peoplequite frequently. And there's not a lot

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of dangerous encounters. It's more justcurious city encounters. But there were so
many that and I knew these people. These were pastors, wives, doctors,
police officers, you know, notthe town Drunk. So it totally
convinced me, although the Town Drunkseason two, to be fair you yeah,
yeah, he has the best storiesfor sure. Now, where did

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you move from? You said youmoved to the area we're from. We
moved from the Hershey, Pennsylvania area, just north of Hershey, Pennsylvania,
and so it was farm country.But so we were from the country,
but not the woods. And thisis very, very heavily wooded. Yeah,
and I believe Hershey, Pennsylvania ison the east side of the state.
Is that correct, that's correct,Yes, fairly close to Philadelphia,

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so it's fairly urban. I mean, we lived in the country, but
you don't have to go very farto get to the urban. Yeah.
I don't think there's a lot goingon in that particular corner of Pennsylvania.
It's mostly on the west side ofthe state, I think out there.
So, so how long ago didyou move to that area? I would
say about six years now, probablymore like five. Yeah, we haven't

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been here super long yet. We'vebeen visiting this area for almost fifteen seventeen
years. We've had Honeyland down hereabout fifty acres about two minutes from where
we are now, and we hadthat ever since I was, you know,
a kid basically, So we've beenvisiting for a long time, but
we only lived here full time forabout the last five and a half years.

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So how did the museum become athing? You know, because it's
a far cry from you know,doing whatever you're doing before to running a
big Foot themed establishment. Yeah.I mean my education is in criminal psychology,
definitely not the Bigfoot research or anythingI met. There's a lot of
overlap there, actually, Yeah,you'd be surprised. Yeah. I think

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it probably started with the when wefirst moved down here and opened the country
store before the museum existed, wehad this Halloween where everybody was having trigger
treat and all the kids were outand I had a big Foot costume that
I used to use for a podcastback in the day. I was like
hey, I should use Bigfoot asa mascot for the store. That'd be

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kind of fun. And we werekind of nervous. We were like,
I don't know if they're going totake that well. I don't want to
offend anybody, because we were brandnew to the culture here and people absolutely
loved it. And then from there, we had a consigner that does chainsaw
carvings and he cut a it's likea six and a half foot tall hemlock

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about four hundred, five hundred poundsinto a Bigfoot carving, and he brought
it in and we set it inthe front of the store and we just
kind of used it as like alike a quasi maskot, just for fun.
But from there, everybody that camein would just keep talking about Bigfoot.
They would either ask if we hadseen it, or they would tell

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us about their encounters with it intheir own life. And there were people
from all all over the place.They were either there from we got people
from Florida, New York, somepeople were looking for Bigfoot from other countries.
That was pretty wild. But yeah, I kind of created this gigantic
theme to the point where we've kindof decided that it was a great time
to try and compile everything and thenput it in a museum. And then

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we ran into less Odell and heintroduced us to several other big foot hunters
in the area and they all loanedus their casts. So we have a
very, very large cast collection.So it just it kind of became.
We started out with one small roomand we ended up with a larger one,
and we're working on a third roomnow. Wow, stay tuned for

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more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff andBogo. We'll be right back after these
messages. So it's all Is itall donated from local people or Yeah?
The vast majority of it is originalcasts from West Virginia. There's basically two
primary collections that we host. Oneis less Odell's collection and then the second

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one is Daniel Smith. They're bothfrom West Virginia and their casts from all
over the state. Basically Daniel Smith, he goes by Daniel Boone, doesn't
he Yes, that's the one.Yeah, yeah, yeah, I met
him a couple of times, actually, yeah, And he has like thirty
or something, and then less hasanother I want to say like five to
seven roughly. We host those.Then we have a bunch of cast copies.

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We have a couple from I wantto say, Kentucky, Tennessee,
and then we have a ton ofcopies from Meldrum's collection as well, because
he helped us build an entire basicallyan entire room back there is from working
with him and his research. Hashe been there, Yes, Yes,
he's been here. Have been comingagain for our Bigfoot Festival which is coming

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up in June, so we alwayslook forward to that. It's a lot
of people. Yeah, you know, I heard like whispers or rumblands or
something like that of the of yourmuseum out there, and it wasn't really
until Huckleberry, you know, toldme that I should look into what you
guys are doing and that you guysare really nice folks and everything and all
that sort of stuff. In fact, I guess Huckleberry picked up Huckleberry,

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of course from Mountain Monsters, andpeople aren't familiar out there listening. They're
all the kind of local folks fromthat general area kind of. Huckleberry just
texted me a couple of days agosaying that somehow or another he heard that
you guys were going to be onthe show or whatever, and he was
soaked that they were finally having youon. Oh that's awesome. He's amazing.
He has been such and a goodfriend. He and his wife have

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been down quite often, and aftermy husband died, they showed up again
just to encourage us and BLUs hisheart. He has come to every single
festival that we've had for free,just to support us and to help us
get started. They are just thesalt of the earth. They really are.
Yeah, all those folks are legitimatelygood people. I very often sing

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their praises just so who they are. You know, I'm not a big
fan of TV in general, butwho they are, you just can't beat
it. Man, I love thoseguys. Yeah. Sure, he kind
of comes here with his family andthey'll kind of take a day off where
they'll just come in and he'll setand talk with me for like an entire
afternoon, just really informally. Andthen tourists of walking around they'll look at

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him and like they'll get these bigeyes like is that Kleberry, And then
they'll run over to him ask himfor pictures and stuff. But he's a
he's definitely a pro when it comesto just meeting with people and being really
nice to fans and stuff. Buthe's had a lot of really interesting encounters
that he's told us about as wellfrom his youth and things around West Virginia

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as well with Bigfoot, which Ithought was really cool. Yeah, I
mean, there's show is so overthe top and kind of ridiculous in a
lot of ways. And I loveit, by the way, and it's
the Scooby doo a Bigfoot. It'sreally what it is, oh absolutely,
at the end of the day.And they all know it. They all
know it on the show they toldI mean, I don't remember if they
told me these words exactly, butthey basically turn it up to eleven,
you know, and on their ontheir personality and just have fun with it,

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you know. And of course,you know sheep Squatch and all that
nonsense. It's all just nonsense.Sheep Squatch is a favorite. But all
those guys have had legitimate big fight. I mean, I think Huckleberry's seen
him twice if I remember correctly.Yeah, he's seen that and a dog
Man supposedly as well. He wasn'thappy about that one. Yeah, But

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yeah, we actually have Jeff andWillie from Mountain Monsters is going to be
at the festival this year as well, and possibly a couple more. Oh
yeah, so yeah, tell usabout the How long that has a festival
been going on? The festival waskind of like my Frankenstein Monster. We
when we first opened the museum.I saw the momentum that was there.

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It did really really well just theend, and it was just like a
closet size room, very small becausewe only had a handful of cast at
the time, and we had postersand citing reports and I was about it.
We got a a couple more bigfoot carvings, but people were just
really enjoying the combination of that withthe Country Store, and we realized that
this was kind of like lightning ina bottle basically, and we decided to,

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you know what, it would bea great time to start a festival.
Now. The catch there was Imade this idea up like three weeks
before the event. I wanted tokill him. Yeah, it might not
have been the smartest thing, butwe did pull it off and it went
really really awesome. We had aton of vendors. The first year,

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A couple thousand people showed up rightoff the bat which is fantastic, really
clean everybody's family friendly. It wasjust a really good experience. Mind you,
this is an incredibly small town ofabout seven hundred people, so having
several thousand people show up on thefirst one just about wipe them all out.
Scared the crap out of people.Yeah, yeah, I must have.

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Yeah, yeah, totally. Butlast year we had it was the
last year that we were going tobe holding it in the town itself,
but we had about eight thousand thatshowed up and overwhelmed the town big time.
So we are moving it out oftown to we have a fifty acre
hold around area County Fair. Yeah. So there's barns and trees and ponds

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and it's going to be great.It's going to be great. There better
parking vendors and what they have speakersto or what is the festival consists of.
Yeah, we'll have about I wantto say, one hundred and fifty
possibly one hundred and seventy vendors forthe festival, and they're gonna have Turtleman
will be there, Mountain Monster guyswill be there, Jeff Meldrim will be
there, Lesser Dell of b Mills. Trying to think of everybody, it's

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a long list, Michael W.Cook, Daniel ben Waugh. We're forgetting
some there's like, oh yeah,we're missing I'm sure goodness, but yeah,
there's about fourteen big Foot speakers,a lot of authors are coming.
All of the vendors are handcrafted itemsonly, food trucks, food trucks,
We have bounce house stuff. There'swe're gonna have Bigfoot stories around the campfire

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in the evenings where people can justbring their lawn chairs and all the guys
and be can tell their stories abouttheir big Foot encounters. Just kind of
more on a casual, so itshould be just a really neat casual West
Virginia vibe. We've got Fiddlers andMountain Cloggers and the Dolphin the Mountain Dalcimer

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band coming. Oh yeah. Jimboard Wine is another one that you're hoping
to work with more. He'll behere the first time this year too.
I think, who else? Whoare else are we missing? I know
we're missing. It's a long list. There's like fifteen or sixteen of them.
At least. We're really excited.You had me at Fiddlers and Cloggers.

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Oh yeah, old school. Yeah, it's a lot of fun and
we're it's super cheap, so it'sonly like ten dollars a car to get
in. So we're trying to encouragea lot of families that maybe can't afford
it elsewhere that they can come andreally learn and enjoy. We've got a
four x four show going on atthe same time, and a what you
call it a four x four roadscavenger hunt that'll take place in all three

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days with prizes, and the CryptidMini golf guys are going to be there
with their mini golf and it's alot. Yeah, it's three days,
so it's going to be a tonof different stuff going on, everything from
a little archery stuff to bounce houses, to food trucks, to speakers and
workshops, you name it. Well, we'll circle back around at the very

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end and plug it again to remindeverybody. But what win is this June
twenty seventh through the twenty ninth.I think that you're probably making Bobo jealousy
can't show up because half the thingsyou mentioned. I know Bobo is interested
in clogging. What he said,clogging, turtle turtlemack and clog bance.
Oh, I believe it. Ibelieve it. This is the first year,
he's coming. We're really looking forwardto that. Oh he's he's him

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and the mountain monsters come by.That's just like that's two forces in Asia.
I'm gonna be watching the Weather Channelsee anything transpires. That's what we're
hoping for. Yeah, the thunderheadsof the pier right above the fairgrounds.
So you said you you got alot of people coming and telling their stories.
Like what patterns were you noticing,Like after you know, doing this

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for a while, what do yousee, Like is there like times a
year where're seeing in certain places,are eating certain things, or how's that
working out there? Well, we'restarting to think that this there's a particular
family grouping that lives in this areaand we're thinking they have about a twenty
twenty five mile range because they're beingspotted in the three tri county area Braxton,

(24:42):
Clay and Webster and a little bitinto Nicholas County. They're very mild
mannered. They do not seem atall bothered by people. One thing that
we have noticed over and over againthat we hear repeatedly is they do not
like anything Electronic trailcns keep coming downand being smashed, or they'll avoid him

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entirely, yeah, or they'll beavoided. There's a gentleman that says he
has them living on his land,and he said that he can't take anything
electronic out with him, or they'llthrow rocks at him until he empties his
pockets, and then he's allowed toproceed. And he has tried over and
over again. But that seems tobe a common theme, is that they

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can hear the electronics and it bothersthem. You think can somehow since it
supposedly from a lot of the accountsthat we've heard, we hear a lot
of the classic stuff where they shakebranches or limbs, they'll throw rocks at
stuff that they're not a big fanof being around them. They tend to
make it so bears, coyotes andsome of the other various types of predators

(25:48):
or omnivores area don't come in.So that's why some of the farmers actually
prefer them over some of the otheranimals locally, because according to the farmers,
they're much less destructive to like cropsand livestock then coyotes or bear would
be. I don't imagine, well, bears, Bears could be pretty destructive,
So yeah, I guess, wellhave if you have crops, I
don't. I think you'd like coyotes. But if you have any kind of

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animals chickens, are sheep or anythingthat you're gonna hate them. Yeah,
a lot of hogs and chickens aroundthere. They all the old timers say
that they like root crops, andone thing that they will dig up in
people's gardens are any of their rootvegetables like carrots or potatoes, turnips.
We've had a lot of those kindof things where reports where people are like,

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oh, there was one out inmy garden digging up my root crops.
But in this area they don't seemto mind that. That to them
is it's just another animal. It'snot causing a lot of harms. So
let them do it. You know. So when you you gave the estimate,
there's a group in your area andthey arrange to hear. Is that
based on footprint fines or what areyou basing that on? Mostly just off

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Well, I guess some of it'sfootprints as well, but a lot of
it is just a combination of sightingsand vocalizations and what kind of rolled together,
and there's just they seem to followa certain pattern. Like we have
one of our consigners who's of NativeAmerican descent. They live out one of
these hollows and for the last threegenerations they've been trading with this family grouping

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that comes through, but they onlycome through their land in September or October.
They think something's coming due that they'recoming to collect, but they'll make
their presence known at the house.They get out a traditional basket, they
put root crops in it as agift, and they put it out on
their porch and the next morning there'salways a small animal that's been left as

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a thank you. But this hasbeen happening every year for three generations.
That's one. We have a lotof farmers that say, oh yeah,
they walk through like at least oncea week. They seem to take a
circuit where they're going through. We'renot sure if they're hunting, probably and

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some kind of foraging maybe. Theyjust they go through the same areas over
and over again, and they're beingspotted in very similar areas over and over
again because again the locals aren't scaredof them. They don't seem to be
scared of the locals, and soyeah, they just as the old timer
says, we don't pay them nomind, right, and you're fairly certain
that they're they're the same individuals thatare being seen again in the I mean

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not not in the same place,but in multiple places. And that's what
I'm getting at. We can't Yeah, I don't know, but I know
where this guy's farm is, andif you draw a radius around his farm,
a lot of the sightings are withinthat radius. So I'm guessing because
we know that that family grouping hasbeen there for about sixty years, so
I'm guessing that they're out foraging fromthat one location. Is our guests,

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what's the physical descriptions, like youguys get in consistent color and height Usually
one of the things that I hearfrom people, and it varies a little
bit, but some of the witnessesthat I've seen relative like close that said
that they've observed them, you know, at very close range for an extended
period of time or what have you. A lot of them describe them really

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similar to like a silver back butupright, that's actually a quote from one
of the guys that I spoke withnot too long ago, So very primeate
like features like a great ape alittle bit more flat, but then usually
there's no fur on the face,or at least not as much. They
seem to be extremely still usually whenpeople see him around here as well,

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somebody mistook one for a stump andactually walked right by one, and then
the stump got up and walked away. They do. They do vary in
height, but then they would haveto if they're, you know, an
actual animal grouping. They couldn't beall eight foot tall. You know,
are you hearing like there's an eightfoot one, like a seven foot one,
then two smaller ones like six footor yes, yeah, actually it's

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been the one guy spotted three verysmall ones. They were he was up
his tree stand. He was baitingdeer, and he had corn scattered on
the ground, and he had fallenasleep, and well, he's dozing,
and then he suddenly heard noises andhe woke up and looked down and there

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were three small, he said,ape like creatures that were eating the corn.
So he sat very very still,and he glanced at his watch.
So he watched them for about tenminutes while they were eating the corn.
And then he thinks the wind shiftedbecause all of a sudden, there was
this big harumph from the a largethicket where it sounded like an adult was
there, and they all three lookedup and looked at the adult that that

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direction, which is where he thinksthe adult was, and they all ran
that direction. But he has sincegone back multiple times and they've come back
to feed on the corn. Andhe said, and it's interesting because it's
down a road very close to aroad called Monkey Hollow Road, which all
the old timers in this area said, well, that's where all the monkeys

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are generally scene, which it's justinteresting to hear that. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff andBobo will be right back after these messages.
Well, yeah, it's long beennoted that you can kind of tell
the presence of sasquatches sometimes based onthe geographical features in the area, and

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a Monkey Hollow Road or Monkey Hillor Monkey Mountain or Monkey Ridge or Monkey
Creek, those are all strong indicators. Then I find that to be true
to this day out where I live. Where you go to you know,
Double's this, Double's that, Double'sRidge, Devil's Creek, Devil's Fall,
Devil's Meadow, ogre Creek. Allthese names Tarzan Springs. That's awesome.

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That's awesome. Now, Yeah,Joe Beelart wrote writes about that and his
excellent book, The Big Highway Bookthere that he actually tracked down someone in
the I think the federal government thattold him the origin of that name was
in the nineteen twenties. I couldbe wrong about the decade, but I
think it's the nineteen twenties. Surveyorswere up there and they ran across a
lone prospector kind of fellow out thereliving in the woods, and he reportedly

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was living amongst the apes and inthee I think it was the twenties.
Again, I could be wrong aboutthat, but this is a time before
television and everything. So the bigbook that everybody was talking about, you
know what, They weren't talking aboutthe TV shows or anything, talking about
Game of Thrones or something. Theywere reading books, and so they the
big book at the time was Tarzan. Essentially, it just come out recently
and everybody was all a flutter aboutit. And so when they heard about

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the guy living amongst the apes outthere down the Clackamous River, they named
that place Tarzan Springs. That's awesomestory. Yeah, yeah, he has
a great little bit of a localhistory and legend, and of course that
area is thick with history as well. I don't know if you remember the
John Green stories about a guy namedGlenn Thomas. He's the guy who saw

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the sasquatches digging out the rock thehybernating ground scrolls from the rocks the Taylors
Slopes. That spot is less thanthree miles away from Tarzan Springs, and
so there's a lot of activity evento the present day. That's very awesome.
Yeah, very cool. No,so as far as your museum goes,
I want to get back to thata little bit because I'm very interested.
Obviously, I owned my own,so I'm interested in what sort of

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trials and tribulations you guys went throughin opening. I mean, for me
it was COVID. I mean Iopened and then two or three months later
COVID shut us down for months,months and months, which is a really
crappy way to start a business.Yes, same time, you know,
you started out with that at zero. There's only one way to go,
it's up. So in a wayit kind of benefited me in that sort
of way, and it taught meto be very conservative with my money,

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because you never know everything will fallto crap right away. So what sort
of difficulties and issues did you haveupon while going through your opening process.
I would say it was pretty muchthe same, honestly, because we opened
basically during COVID. Now we openedpartly that business to help our the country

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stores survive COVID. That was kindof my thought was like, hey,
let's have a free museum. There'sa real thing, there's real stories around
here, it's a very real locallegend, so why not promote it.
And we just made the museum,and I was like, let's see if
we can draw in business that wayand survived COVID while also talking about local
history and folklore, and it seemedto just do really well from there.

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But I would say pretty much thesame thing where the fact it's a in
the middle of the pandemic, andthen we obviously had we've had a couple
of bad winners during that too,where nobody could get out here. And
then we live in a super tinytown where, yeah, like COVID made

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everybody stay inside already, so thevery few people that were here all just
disappeared kind of and then, obviouslytowards the tail end of COVID, my
dad passed away because me and himfounded it, and that was very difficult.
We were closed for a couple ofmonths after that too. So your
dad was one of the original foundersof the museum. Yeah. He actually

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wrote a book too that we haveavailable in the museum and stuff, where
he compiled a bunch of historic accountsfrom all over. He was all over
the country, right, Yeah.It was called The wild Man of North
America, and he basically went fromnineteen fifty back to the Revolutionary War to
actually do research because in this area, Bigfoot is called the Old Man of

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the Mountain, and people would actuallyget a little bit hostile and we said,
oh, it's Bigfoot, and theywould say, no, no,
no, that's a make believe thingout of Hollywood. This is an animal,
and they just kept saying that.So then it got him thinking,
well maybe because he said, youjust can't have something just suddenly appear in
the nineteen sixties and seventies and belegit. So he went back and started

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looking for local names to see whatpeople like, what he could find that
were in newspaper articles, and itwas amazing how many he found all over
the country of recited reportings. Mostlythey would say, oh, we think
think a gorilla escaped from the circus. But then he did research and found
out that none of the circuses inAmerica have ever had a gorilla as part

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of their act, so gorillas couldn'thave escaped from the circus. Yell.
Then, yeah, here was thatbook. It was It was printed well
the year he died, actually twentytwo or twenty one, twenty I think
it came out twenty twenty five inthe Winner of twenty one maybe, yeah,
and it's called The wild Man ofGoing to America. Yeah, it
was very recent, but he justwent through it just and it's basically just

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reprints of the old news articles wherepeople were talking about these weird occurrences and
they were in a colloquial term forthem necessarily, so they call them anything
from a wild man to like anape or a devil, et cetera.
Like there's a whole list of differentterms, so we just kind of just
pick out keywords and then tie thearticles in with that. Stoneman was another

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big one that's down south par ofthe state and then southwestern Virginia too.
Yeah, He basically just put abunch to them altogether in this book,
and we've it's been cool to meetpeople that have read it and whatnot.
A few people have got signatures ofit too, which has been neat since
then. And what was your dad'sname, Lewis Pedalikio. I having to

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write that down because I just dida Google search for The wild Man of
North America and nothing comes up.No, it is. It is out
of print. I've got to geta new publisher and get it republished.
He went through Lulu, which waslike on Amazon for a while, but
it has not been showing up onAmazon recently. I ordered one hundred about
a year ago and those are allsold out, and I've just got to

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get it reprinted. Well, that'sinteresting. I'm kind of a you know,
a fan of books in general,and I have a pretty great big
Foot book collection. It says Bobo. Actually Bobo has an astonishing collection.
Well, I like it just becausethey're actual, Like he was able because
it was nineteen fifties and before,there's no copyright on the full article,
so he could do the full articleand not have to you know, like

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redact it, you know what Imean, with all that you have to
do nowadays for copyright. Because hedidn't have to worry about copyright infringement,
he was able to do the wholearticle, which was actually very informative.
I think. Yeah, something elseI found very interesting. I'm fascinated by
feral people as it relates to Bigfoot, and how a lot of that stuff
tends to bleed over or into eachother. Where you have feral people,

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you'll have Bigfoot, and then peopletalk about like in a really mean wild
man, and nine times out often, when it's extremely hostile encounter with
somebody, it's basically a person that'sferal. Like there's one account from Flatwoods
where that's the case, where it'sthey talk about it and it seems like
you're talking about Bigfoot initially where it'sbig hairy man that's like, you know,
terrorizing the area or whatever. Butthen they mentioned, oh, yeah,

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he had tattered clothes on him,like I don't think that was Bigfoot,
and somebody actually ended up shooting hima couple of times. But yeah,
I mean, I think that fromwhat we've seen here, at least
a lot of the Bigfoot stuff whereI think it's an actual like an ape
of some kind or relic commented likeJeff things, it seems to be a

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lot less aggressive, whereas feral humanencounters teams tend to be a lot more
negative. I've noticed. I sohumans are probably the most dangerous ape.
Yeah, the most dangerous games.Yeah. Yeah, who gets aggressive?
Like interactions that you're when you're talkingwith people here, like they were aggressive?
Is it hunters, fishermen, hikers, farmers? Honestly, I mean

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we we've only had one. Yeah, we've had very I've had one that
was verbal, and then we haveone that's written in our big binder in
the museum. Most of them aresuper passive, but the few where it's
hostile. There's the one that I'lllet you tell it because that was something
to talk to you in the store. Yeah, it was kind of interesting.

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So one of the things the WestVirginia encounters pretty much across the board
are very passive. It's more thatpeople are scared because they are seeing something
that their brain is just not processing. You know, like, WHOA,
this thing is really big. Itcould kill me, but then it doesn't,
you know what I mean. It'sthat kind of thing. And so

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up until that point, I wouldalways say, well, there's no record
of anyone ever being hurt by onein West Virginia. And this guy and
this lady were standing there and helooks at her and she looks at him,
and he pulls his shirt back andhe says, you can't say that
anymore. And his left shoulder lookedlike mincemeat. And I'm like, what
on earth happened? And he saidthat a year before in our neighboring county

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in the New River Gorge, whichis the newest National Park area. But
it's a very very deep gorge,kind of like the Grand Canyon, but
with a whole lot of woods.And there's this whitewater rafting river that goes
through at the New River on theshow. Okay, yes, then you
know, very remote in some ofthe areas. So he had taken this

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girl that he was wanting to takeon a date swimming, but he was
familiar with the river and it wasa very large man and she was this
tiny little thing and when she gotin the river, she got swept away
almost right away, and he's thinking, oh, cred, I'm gonna lose
her on our first date and awkward. So he was swimming as hard as
he could to catch up to her, and they had gotten swept down about

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a mile when he saw a flatrock coming up, and he bounced off
the bottom and threw her out ofthe water onto the rock, and then
grabbed the rock and pulled himself out. And he said, when they'd gotten
out of the water, he wasfacing the hillside. She was facing the
river, and there was this largecreature standing there and it was really angry,
and it picked up this rock andit threw it directly at his head.

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He ducked and it went through hisshoulder and hit the water. She
screamed landslide because all she saw wasa rock hitting the water and started to
turn around. He's like, don'tscream, because the thing was already picking
up a second rock. He hesaid, and all this stuff was like
rushing through his head. He realizedthat it was angry at him only,
and didn't seem to be focusing anythingon her. And then he thought,

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oh, it thinks I was tryingto hurt her, because he had thrown
her hard out of the water,and she was scared because she was almost
drowning, and he said, hugme, so it knows where together.
So she threw her arms around him, and it dropped the rock and just
stood there and swayed. And thenhe realized in order to get back to
the car, they were going tohave to hype right by it. And

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he's like, this thing he hadgone through three tours and in Afghanistan,
and he's like, I literally gotout of there without one scratch, and
I come home to my own townand I'm gonna get killed by bigfoot,
you know, like this is crazy. And so he told her when we
get to the tree where it wasstanding next to, he said, just
run and I'll try and hold itoff. And he's thinking there's not going
to be anything left of me bythe time she gets to the car and

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calls nine to one one. Andbut in that short time where he turned
to her and said run and heturned back, it had already melted into
the forest. But they said theyfelt like it watched them the whole way
back because they could just feel itwatching them. So he made her hold
his hand the whole way back,and she got him to the hospital and
he got his shoulder fixed up.They did end up getting married, so

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it all ended up really good.But he said, yeah, you can
never say that nobody's ever been hurtby one, because I definitely was.
Well, you said the rock passedthrough his shoulder, Well, not quite
like directly through it, It justtook a big chunk out of it,
basically. Yeah, because he saidif he hadn't ducked, it would have
hit his head and killed him.He said it was a very large rock,
and he's convinced it would have killedhim, and that it had every

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intention of killing him. He thinksthat it was protecting her because she was
tiny. They both felt that waythat they thought that it thought he was
hurting her and was trying to protecther because none of the anger was at
her, it was all at him. Yeah. Some great apes have this
like protective behavior that gets triggered whenthey see that, even in humans,

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which I thought that was kind ofinteresting when I heard that story as well,
where I'm like, maybe it's justsomething a year old that's ingrained in
it, and it didn't really discernbetween human and its own kind. It
was just like, oh, smallfemales getting attacked, I need to do
something about. That might have beenabout all that there was to it.
I love that he saw his opportunityand said, quick, hug me,

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so the Bigfoot doesn't attack me,That's what I said. I'm like,
yeah, right, good, Yeah, he told her about to look,
don't look, just hug me.It's that horror movie trope. Yeah,
was his shoulder? Was his shoulderlike scarred or it was fresh fresh?
And said it was like hamburger?No, it was it had been it
had been a year, so itwas heavily scarred, like it just looked

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really bad. When he pulled hisshirt down across his shoulder. I'm like,
oh my word, what happened?And I mean it looked really bad.
And I'm like, and you marriedhim after this? She goes,
yeah, I guess I'm a bluntfor punishment, but I did happily ever
after after big Yeah, stay tunedfor more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo. Will be right back.After these messages. Well, I'm going

(45:05):
to share the conversation back to themuseum again because that's what I do.
Tell us about some of your maybefavorite plack a better term displays and exhibits
that you have there and how theycame about. I would say probably my
section with Gigantopithecus the Mountain gorilla skulland then the orangutang skull. I'm trying

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to basically, I'm not suggesting Bigfootis a gigantipithecus by any stretch of imagination,
but I always like to point peopleto that to basically suggest there's been
gigantic primates in the past, totry and destigmatize the notion of Bigfoot being
out there, because then it getspeople going like, well, I guess
that's true. Like I've talked toa lot of skeptics with the museum,

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and then once you dive into thosesubjects, like we have current primates that
are huge now, and then wealso have a fossil record that suggests that
we had a much larger one thatwas I want to say, excess to
like seventeen hundred pounds and ten feettall in the past. So why would
something relatively similar that was also aprimate. Why couldn't one still potentially exist?

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And that seems to actually have abig positive impact on skeptic conversations.
Now, I imagine most of thepeople and I basically this on my own
experience here, most of the peoplewho come in are pretty either open to
the subjects or already think they're real. Oh yeah, no, no,
we get a ton of skeptics.I would say about twenty five to fifty

(46:38):
percent. No kidding, that's alot larger percentage than what I find in
my own museum. Well, it'sprobably people from not in the area,
right, Well, yeah, it'spartly that we get West Virginians too,
but I think a lot of itis because of the dichotomy of the businesses.
So we have our museums free.It's a big, Bigfoot museum,
and then there's obviously the country Storeright next to it. So nine times

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out of ten it's a family becausewe do steer everything towards like family and
working class people being able to havefun and go on vacation. So usually
the father will be into Bigfoot andthe mom will be into the country store
or vice versas sometimes and then oneof them will be a hardcore skeptic and
the other one will think it's awesome. So there's like it's always something along

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those lines of dichotomy, even withthe kids. Like usually the kids will
be split right down the middle whena hardcore sceptic comes in and they're accompanied
by someone who's already believing, andthat's not an issue at all. Do
you ever see never see fireworks eruptlike I told you, I told you,
or that sort of thing back andforth with some sort of family dynamic

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that you didn't exactly anticipate. Ohyeah, well, usually it ends up
being kind of like sports teams wherelike you have, you know, a
Cowboys fan and they have a PittsburghSteelers fan or something similar premise where they'll
get into that and I've obviously I'vetalked to a lot of people where they're
I don't know, I talked toa lot of skeptics. I guess it's
just kind of what I do.But I try to always find good common

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ground with them before I dive intoit too much, because they'll be like,
well there's nobody. I'm like,yeah, there's nobody. They're like,
oh, you agree with me.I'm like, well, yeah,
I don't have a body. Ijust show you. So like people get
a little bit surprised when they don'tget met with like uh, I don't
know how to put it, likeforceful response to that where I'm like I'm
not offended. If somebody says Idon't believe in bigfoot, I'm like,

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okay, it's a real museum.You're welcome to look at it anyway.
Exactly when I think, I think, I approach it a little differently.
Usually I send the more scientific onesto David to handle. But my thing
is I just tell people where Iwas coming from and what changed my mind,
and I listened to and I repeatthe stories that people have told me
to them, and we get alot of people leaving thinking a little bit

(48:52):
more seriously about it than when theycame. Yeah, they'll start out kind
of negative, and then they'll checkit out and give it a fair shake,
because I think being free is actuallya big part of it too,
because they're like, well, what'sto lose? And then I really am
a big fan of trying to usenatural history as a tool for the conversation,
at least because natural history itself ispretty insane when it really comes down

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to it. You had everything fromsea scorpions to giants' laws, to saber
tooth tigers to cave bears, andthe list goes on and on. Bigfoot
really doesn't end up being that crazyoutlandish when you compare it to the rest
of this massive fossil record of justabout everything you could imagine. Yeah,

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it makes perfect sense. I mean, being perfectly normal animals. Everything about
them kind of does make sense ina lot of ways. You know.
Well, brek is a nice segueinto another question I kind of have,
and I've been kind of pondering thisrecently. You know, I live on
the West Coast, Bobo lives inthe West Coast, and I have all
my life travel a fair amount hereand there and stuff. But I mean,
I've always lived here is a thing, and just like a fish may

(49:57):
not notice the water that it's swimmingin, I'm curious about the prevalence of
of like paranormal thoughts about sasquatches backwhere you are, Because when I was
in West Virginia, and again Iwas an outsider visiting for a week or
two, I've been there a handfulof times and that's about it. My
My general take on the on thearea and the people in particular is that

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they're very pragmatic, down to earth, salt of the earth sort of folks,
and they don't have a lot oftime for paranormal Uh what is the
word like pursuits? Yeah, pursuitsin that sort of way. You know,
do you do you? But Ithink I'm on the West coast,
you know, like nuts and granolasort of folks and a lot of lot
and there's nothing against I have nothingagainst that, you know. There's a
little bit of that in me tooin some sort of ways. And therefore

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I think that people that here,I believe that this is stereotyping, of
course, but I am from hereor perhaps more inclined to think that crystals
play a role in your health orsomething like that. Oh yes, yeah,
yeah, yeah, So so doyou am I way off base here
or is or is sort of strongvein of paranormal beliefs in the in your

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part of the country as well,and you see that a lot. I
would say it kind of depends withregards to bigfoot specifically, the vast majority
of cases and whatnot that I've reador talked to people about, they're almost
all very natural. They think it'san animal. They don't think it teleports
or flies in spaceships or those toother dimensions. Usually there's exceptions to those
accounts where some people will claim thatit disappeared or something like that, but

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those are I mean, that's maybetwo percent maybe if that. Now,
in terms of general paranormal stuff.Yeah, I mean that's super big in
backwoods Appalachia. In general, we'vemet, I've talked a lot because I'm
a Christian and so is she,So we talk about our religion pretty openly

(51:51):
with people all the time. AndI've talked to tons of witches and stuff
in the area, Pagans, variousNew Age type folks, and we'll have
like legitimate conversations about religion with regardsto ghosts, UFO's demons, everything.
I'll know if I answered your questionsuper well. But it's definitely prevalent in

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terms of folklore for sure. ButI think with when Bigfoot is concerned,
I would say I've only had onestory where they were saying that it was
appearing and disappearing in front of them, but the behavior was so off compared

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to what everybody else says when theysee it. I don't think they were
seeing Bigfoot, if you know whatI mean. Yeah, just some sort
of outlier in the data that doesn'tYes, Yes, yeah, I was.
I'm curious about that because obviously beingin a similar position to you at
a Bigfoot museum and even Bobo downin northern California, ex everybody knows who
bobo Ise. He's famous. Yeah, can't go out with that here to

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Bigfoot story probably. You know,I don't hear a lot of normal stuff.
I hear a lot of paranormal stufffrom very loud paranormal people like who
have a very large well they havea big microphone or big megaphone as they
say. But that's kind of it. In my day to day stuff here
at the museum, I don't.I just don't get stories like that.

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And when the paranormal advocate would saysomething like like, no clip they do
go in inter dimensional whatevers and youknow all that stuff, And I said,
well, then why aren't I hearingabout it? The average Joe doesn't.
Yeah, no, it's less thanone percent. And it's far less
than one percent of the stuff Ihear. And they always say, oh,

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that's because they know who you are, and they're not going to tell
you that because you aren't going tobelieve them. And I'm just thinking,
well, isn't that a convenient argumentto have? But you're experiencing the same
thing. It's just not there forthe most part. Yeah, I would
say the vast majority of big Footstuff is not like spiritual Now, some
people try and add that in totheir own perception of the encounter, which

(53:58):
is their prerogative. I'm not tryingto be aful or anything like that,
but in terms of the meat andpotatoes though, no, usually it's not
that said. Bigfoot is almost alwaysa segue for people to dive into aliens,
angels, or demons, almost everytime, because they tend to just
they're not saying Bigfoot is one.I think they're saying that if you're open
to this, then maybe you're opento X, Y and Z subject which

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I end up talking about all kindsof random stuff after Bigfoot. Basically does
that make sense? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, and it kind of echoes
what what my thoughts were is like, I don't think this is a I
don't think that my situation is anecessarily a cliff tainted input, you know,
like, Oh, they're just notgoing to tell you about the thing,

(54:43):
you know, when it started glowingand flew away or something like that,
because because your cliff and they knowthat you don't buy that stuff,
so they're going to hide that partof the story for you. But you're
finding something similar because I'm I'm I'ma rather vocal proponent of these things being
a perfectly normal animal and the paranormalstuff. I do think they're very intelligent

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animals. Yeah, I think they'reprobably like one of the highest forms of
well grade eight, because I know, when you get into the conversation of
homined and Grade eight people like,well humans are great apes. I'm like,
I know, I'm trying to differentiatethem for normal people. But I
think it's definitely the most intelligent Gradeeight that would exist. Probably. I

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think it's senses in terms of smell, site and how it not in terms
of woo woo feels stuff, butin terms of like, oh I could
it can feel Maybe it can feelelectronics, you know how when we walk
underneath a huge power line, evenhumans can feel like a vibration from the
electric It kind of just makes mewonder if that's something it's hyper sensitive too,

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so it can sense it with trailcameras and phones and everything else as
well. But yeah, I don't. I definitely don't think it's an alien
in my opinion, And I definitelydo think that's either a relic commented like
Meldrum would argue, or it's alost Grade eight like I would argue.
I feel like a lot of thestories like to me the hunters. The

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hunters are always describing it a wholelot more differently, or the old time,
the old time farmers will describe ita lot more differently than then the
girls that are out on their fourby four and get scared of it,
you know what I mean. Well, my favorite was these these two girls
would go across the ridge, andagain these are these are quite the ridges

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in this area. So they wouldgo across the ridge and visit their grandmother
who was on the other side ofthe ridge. But they would go by
four by four and they would travelover there, and they would play games
with her on the weekends. Andthe one night it got really late and
they were on their way back aroundtwelve midnight, and they came around the
corner and there was this huge beingstanding in the middle of the road,

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and according to them, it wasfourteen feet and its eyes were flaming,
and they were terrified, and thenthey exec they executed a four point turn
on an incredibly narrow mountain ridge road, you know, in an open four
by four within its reach, andmanaged to get it turned around while they
were screaming their heads off. Andthen got back to Grandma's house. And

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in the interview, I'm like,did it reach out? Nope, it
just stood there and looked at himlike they were crazy. But it's so
different from the hunters. The huntersare describing between you know, between six
to eight feet tall animal like behavior. They all describe a very intelligent animal

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like the one that he was talkingabout, where it was a stump.
And this guy came flying in hereafter his experience and he's like, I
thought you were nuts for starting thismuseum until I saw it for myself.
And we hear that a lot.Well, until I saw it for myself,
I didn't believe it. But thenthey usually have time to study it
and while they're in the hunting blindand they're watching its behavior, or in

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this case, it was watching himfor three hours. It sat and watched
him, and he thought he waslooking at a stump until the stump stood
up and looked directly at him.But he had his scope on it,
and he said he got a reallygood look. It was only about seven
feet tall, but he said herealized right then that a dear rifle would
not stop it. You must justhear story after story after story because my

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experience back in the Appellation. That'swhy I'm basing this on at least my
appillations. Appellation folk are very friendlyand love to talk about some stuff,
you know, they just love totell their Now, I don't know if
you have any more time, butyou would you be willing to stick around
a little bit and do a littletime with us during our members episode and
tell some of your favorite stories thatyou've heard. Certainly, Yeah, if

(58:49):
you don't mind, that'd be great, Bobo, anything on any last minute
things for our regular episode before wego to the members sing that's so I
want to I know the people wantto hear like what what what are you
guys hearing? Like what are you? What are they seeing? Yes,
let's go get to that. Allright, Yeah, let's do that.
But before we get off the regularepisode, I want to remind everybody that,
uh, this is these are thefounders or the runners I guess the

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curators of the West Virginia Bigfoot Museumin Sutton, West Virginia. Go.
I mean, if I am inthat part of the country, I will
absolutely go. Everybody needs to gosee all the big Foot museums they possibly
can. But West Virginia. Onegod. West Virginia is one of my
favorite Eastern probably is my favorite Easternstate honestly. And also if I can
chime in real quick, I forgotto talk about this earlier, but we're

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also one of the only towns inthe United States that has two cryptids.
I tell you that. No,we have the Flatwood's Monster too. Oh
that's you guys. That's right inour same town. That's our visitors bureau
for the county. Andrew Smith runsthat. But it's literally just like four
doors down from us. We wantedto plug that while we had a chance.
Yeah, because he's awesome. Welove the museum or is there a
flat Woods Museum or like, yeah, he runs he runs the Flatwood's Monster

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Museum, Andrew Smith does. It'sthe place to be man, Yeah,
apparently so and also speaking to placesto be June twenty seven through twenty ninth,
it's a West Virginia Bigfoot Festival andtaking a stab in the dark.
Is that the name of this?Yes, absolutely, the West Virginia Bigfoot
Festival. And it's ten dollars acar to get in, so it's very
affordable and a whole lot of fun. If you want to just get immersed

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in West Virginia culture and all thingsBigfoot, come all out. Where can
people find information on this or buytickets? I would go to West Virginia
Bigfoot Museum on Facebook or WV BigfootMuseum on Instagram, and not on Twitter.
I think it's just Bigfoot Museum ifI remember brectly, So any of
those three should have a ton ofposters about it. And you don't have

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to buy tickets in advance. Youjust show up and so we'll see how
many come. But it should bea lot of fun. We have a
whole lot of really amazing crafters,so there's and food, trucks and music
and bounce houses and yeah, justa whole lot of fun. David and
Laurel, there you go. Soyeah, thank you very much for coming

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in the meantime, can you takeus out of here. I'll try,
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