Ep. 267 - Squatchcore with Troglodyte!

Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay chat with Jeff Sisson! Jeff is a special effects artist, a director, and the vocalist for Troglodyte, the world's only sasquatch-themed death metal band! Jeff discusses his love for all things 'squatchy, the inspiration behind Troglodyte's squatchcore sound and lyrics, and much more! 

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Episode Transcript

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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff andBobo. These guys are your favorites,
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today listening watching lim always keep itswatching. And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman

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and James Bubo Fay. Okay,well, without much left to do,
why don't we bring in our gueststoday? This is an exciting thing for
us. A few weeks ago,I think a member, right, Bobo,
a member said hey, have youever heard of this band? We
looked them up and we said,why haven't we heard of this band?
I heard of him? You hadheard of him? Really? Where did
you hear about him? They've beenaround for a long time. Well,

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I had never heard of them.But you know me, man, my
my head is in the sands asfar as like media things go. Now,
I'm gonna have to put you onthe spot. Are you aware of
there? Did you know neither song? Bobo? Where you just heard that
there was a band? I meanI checked them out. I seen like
there are artwork of their albums andlike the titles of the songs, and
you know, I liked it.They have They always had really cool stuff.

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Well, yeah, they clearly havethe right vibe. Otherwise it wouldn't
be on our show today. Sowell, of course when I say they,
I mean one of these guys.Yeah, today we have the singer
Dash, Growler, Dash, screamerDash, Whooper Dash Dash vocalist vocalizer for
the band Trogladite. So, JeffSisson, thank you so much for coming
on Bigfoot and Beyond and sharing youryour beautiful tunes with this. I think

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you are my new favorite band,even though I've never heard one of your
songs. Well, thank you.That's that's that's quite a send up.
That's I appreciate that. And youknow, listen, you know it's uh,
it's it's pretty extreme, I saythe least. Yeah, I mean
it's not for everybody. I getthat. It's for almost everybody, though,
I'm sure. Well, I'll tellyou if you are, if you're

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a fan of death metal and Bigfoot, then we are definitely for you.
Yeah. It's kind of the maintwo, like the main two ingredients of
this recipe, isn't it. Yeah? Pretty much. I mean I can
remember thinking like kind of coming upwith the idea to do something like this
and thinking, uh, there werea few niche bands. The bands they
took this, uh the genre oflike extreme music, and they like there's

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a band called Nile and all theysing about is very Egyptian themed stuff.
So uh, and there's a fewbands like that, and uh, I
can honestly say it's like, uh, I had never heard of a bigfoot
death metal band. Yeah, Ican't say I have either. What about
you, Bobo, you got acorner on the market then, yeah,
I mean I don't know what kindof corner. It's a pretty very small

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corner, you know. So butyeah, you know, and I you
know, I came from like thisweird world of like you know, when
I was a kid, I wasabsolutely fascinated by this stuff. So it
was a it was a try,you know, venturing into music and coming
up with what are we going todo? And it didn't take a lot
to come up with this, honestly. So, I mean I guess in

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forethought, it's you would think you'drun out of material eventually, So no
way, no, not even close, Like how could you? Right,
Well, that's just it. It'slike, you know, that's what Pete.
That's the first thing people say.It's like it's all Bigfoot. It's
like there's two songs that aren't aren'tabout Bigfoot. That's too too many.

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Well, and you know the funnyThe funny thing is those the two songs
are literally like two seconds long andthey're the same song, just with different
names. One and a half song. Well, that's okay, because I
mean in my own life, Ifind that I have to have balance,
right, and ninety nine and ahalf percent of my life has seems to

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be a Bigfoot centric so I dohave to have balance as well, so
I can understand a song and ahalf that isn't about Bigfoot being appreciated by
you guys. Well, I mean, you know, it's there's so many
you know, you look at iton the surface, it's like, okay,
well you know, what are yougoing to say about you know,
it's like, well, you know, there's because there is there's so much
material to kind of mine from forlack of a better word, you know,

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So that's when you start, reallybecause I know i'd shared I messaged
j Bobo yesterday and I couldn't remember. I had assumed that, you know,
you came across to some some wayand I'd shared like our band camp
link which you can see all theridiculous artwork and the songs, and it's
like, I mean, you startdigging into some of this stuff, it
gets kind of you know, ifyou're you're a bigfoot metal band, that's

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one thing. But when you startgetting into stuff like I got a song
called Mummified Yetty Hand And I'm prettysure you guys know exactly what I'm talking
about when I say that things exactly, So, I mean it's a little
obscure, but you know, again, I'm in that world. You know,
I'm keeping it inside that world.You know, I take some liberties

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with stuff, you know, certainthings obviously at times. But like we
wrote a song called Oregon Trail,which was I think at the time,
my little dude was really into thatvideo game. Like they kind of reissued
this like crazy looking handheld version ofit for kids, and you know,
I just kind of added, youknow, there was you know, You've
died of dysentery, you know,the various things, and I added one

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of them was big Foot eight mylegs. Yeah, that was strangely missing
from the original game of h Absolutely, I feel like it was definitely a
real threat. You guys must alot pretty hard to put, like write
in these songs. It's honestly again, like I sit down when I close
my eyes and it's like, youknow, I work with some pretty amazing

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musicians, and probably the way wework most is like they'll be jamming some
music. They'll come up with ariff or a song idea, and they'll
play it for me and we'll kindof demo it out for lack of a
better word, and they'll give itto me and that I'll use that as
a template to write the song against. You know. So when I'm doing
it, I'm pretty siloed, youknow, Like the guys are like kind

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of waiting for me to come backand like, all right, what do
you got? You know. Sothat's when I come up. You know,
it's like all right, well thisone, you know, I think
we're gonna go, and I will. I'll come up with like the most
Like on the last album we did, I did a song called found Guilty
in a wrong full death lawsuit forshooting a man wearing a big book costume.

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That's a catchy title. Yeah,it rolls off the tongue. I
can't believe I actually got it outwithout dropping the ball on it. As
I said, I like the murderousfive pedal hominin rampage. Yeah. I
mean, like I said, mythinking was too, if I'm gonna write
this stuff, I have to atleast I have to make good on it.

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You know, I can't just belobbing things out that if somebody was
to call me to the mat on, I can stand behind it. You
know. It's like, no,that's a real thing, dude. Sometimes
there's certain things, just like Ithink back to watching you know, obviously
Legend of Boggie Creek, or theone that really got me was Mysterious Monsters,

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and that's the one that Man,there's probably a good ninety percent of
our material was mine just from awatching a viewing of that movie because there's
so much going on in there,and especially in the big it's really kind
of scary. You know. It'slike those creepy sun Classic movies. I
always thought they were kind of marketedfor families and I don't know, and

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you know, when I was,you know, little, it was like
in seeing that commercial for Legend ofBoggie Creek, which is a rated G
movie, I mean, I couldn't. To me, I was like I
don't know, man, that lookspretty scary to me. I mean,
that looks really scary, especially whenyou're a little kid, you know.
But there was definitely an intrigue aboutit, and yeah, I get asked,

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and I'm sure you know, youguys get to ask this a lot
too. You know. It's like, you know, you guys, you
know, do you believe you knowwhat? You know? You obviously there's
something going on there, and it'slike, yeah, you know, and
I kind of like I try notto push it either way. I like
kind of like part of my thingwas it's like that idea that there could
be something that really exists just beyondthe tree line that we can't see,

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or that somebody has seen or they'lldiscover tomorrow, or like that that curiosity
of like when you're younger and youknow, trying to find these things,
and that to me was always aspark. You know, that was the
truth arc of it. I'm obviouslypretty ate up with sostquatch in general,

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so I just took it one stepfurther and it just seemed like a good
and you know, and we wearmasks and we've got this like crazy you
know, I'm not going to sayit's real crazy. It was just but
you know, it was just wedid some things, and coming from a
marketing background, it's like, well, what else can we do to really
draw people in? You know,It's like, we'll come up and I
do special effects for movies. Soit was a no brainer for me to

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be able to design masks and kindof a costume that we wear that's kind
of this very ambiguous like creepy facesthat are up on the stage. Do
you guys have to attract bigfoot witnessesthat like eyewitnesses that kind of your show
I want to like talk to you. Yes, yes, and it's again
it is it is so And again, I don't profess to be an expert

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by any means other than of ridiculousness. I'm definitely an expert on that sou
But it is really interesting to meto be able to have the opportunity to
meet these people and hear about theirexperiences and how genuinely moved these people are.
And I know you know exactly whatI'm talking about, you know,
because you know there's a certain percentof the people that they're not going to

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believe. But it is really interestingto have an opportunity to meet a lot
of these people and the fan andkind of bring them the worlds together a
little bit. You know, Ilove death metal and you guys, Oh
my gosh. When I was akid and I lived just outside of Portland,
one time we saw something molested inour dog out back of the you

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know, the shit you know orwhatever, and it's it's it's interesting.
I mean, it really is trulya phenomena like nothing else that I've ever
encountered in my life. What aboutyour band Mites? Were they were they
in the squad stuff for was itjust kind of like just they just go
along with you? The inception ofall this. So I was living in
I live in the in Kansas City. That's where my home is now,

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and that's where I was from atthe time. I was I'm pretty sure
I was living out in LA Iwas working on some pretty no budget films,
doing monsters and the blood and gutsand stuff, and I had this
idea about doing I'd watched this moviecalled The Pit, and which isn't necessarily
a bigfoot film by any stretch ofthe imagination. It's at all. It's

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about this little little boy that hefinds a hole in the ground and there
just happens to be these three troglodytes, these cave things living in the hole,
and he takes people that he doesn'tlike and he pushes them into the
pit. Yeah, as one does. Absolutely, And I just thought that
name was so like Troglodyte. Thatwhat a great name. That's a great

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name. Like why isn't there aband called Troglodyte. Somebody had told me.
It's like, you'll never have agreat band if it doesn't have three
syllables, you know, it's likeaerosi. Oh okay, okay, troglodyte.
Oh yeah, yeah that works.That works. But so I've watched
that movie and then very close togetherI saw another movie called Knight of the

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Demon, which is kind of thislost Bigfoot movie that is just operating on
another plane. I mean it isthe silliest, craziest, most bizarre thing
ever. And it just hit meright there. It was like, man,
I need to do a if I'mgonna do this band thing or give
it a go, this is Ithink what I want to do. And

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uh, I called my buddy.I had a really good friend of mine,
Chris Wilson, and he played drumsvery he was really musically inclined,
and I kind of sold it tohim. I said, what do you
think about doing this? And itwas a hard sell, Like what was
his resistance about this? I thinkthe whole I could because I sold it.
All right, here's what we're gonnado. We're gonna I'm gonna make

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masks. All right, We're allgonna kind of wear the same mask,
but it's gonna make us look reallycreepy, and we're gonna sing songs and
it's gonna be like death metal,but it's all gonna be about Bigfoot.
And it was just like, whatare we doing? What do you want
to do? So it was alittle bit of a hard sell at first,
so I said, you know,I said, I tell you what,
Let's do this. We roped ina couple other guys to kind of

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round out the band. I said, let's do this. Let's let's work
on write and some songs. Ifthe songs stink, everything else is doesn't
matter, okay, So let's workon writing some at least in this genre
of music. Let's try to makesomething that people that we know that people
that like this are going to loveit. I remember saying, think about

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it like an onion, like andthe more you peel away, the more
you find right. So they becauseobviously you're going to hear the music,
and then you find out it's likewait a minute, they're singing wait or
singing about big everything's about Bigfoot,okay, and they're wearing masks. What's
going on? So it's like themore you get into it, you know

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you're kind of it's again coming froma marketing world, this is like marketing
one on one. What can youdo to keep pulling people in, keep
them back coming back for more.So we worked really hard on the first
set of songs that we pushed out, and then once we got that stuff
and we thought that, okay,we're really comfortable with this, let's kind
of start rolling some of these otherpieces in. Let's put on these masks.

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And we went out we played thesesongs and we didn't and it was
just like no interaction with the crowd. It was like song song, song,
song song, and then we weredone. We just walked off and
the idea was like what just happened? Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
with Cliff and Bogo we'll be rightback after these messages. The Trouble Bands

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kicked off in what year? Itlooks like your first album came out in
maybe two thousand and eight, isthat right? We had started playing and
writing material. I believe it wasin late two thousand and five, and
into two thousand and six, wewere working on stuff pretty pretty regularly,
and you know, we weren't playingshows. We were just working on songs.
And then once I feel like wedid some demos and I feel like

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Welcome to Boggy Creek I think weput out. It came out in two
thoy and eleven. I think waswhen we actually released that one our first
studio. I happened to be lookingat metal archives dot Com and look,
yet, I do see that Welcometo the Boggy Creek is twenty eleven,
and then above that it says AnthropoidEfigy Demos, which is a demo.

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I guess it's not a fun Yeah, we were, yeah, yeah,
that was the original set of songsthat we'd kind of written and we recorded,
and I just wasn't ever really totallyhappy with that. So that's why
it never got put out. Let'sput that aside. Let's keep working on
other stuff. And that's what wedid, and a lot of those songs

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ended up on Welcome to Boggie Creek. And it's funny. Over the years
we went back to that demos andwe've re recorded and added stuff to newer
albums. I said, I thinkwe can. I think we can get
it dialed in just a little more. And when by the time we got
all the tracks together for Boggie Creek, we were really firing on all cylinders,
all all Bigfoot cylinders, so tospeak. So fantastic. So certainly

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not all of your inspiration comes fromyou know, those early seventies movies and
the schlock stuff in the seventies.Have you done You must have done reading,
because you aren't going to pick uppan busche hand or something like that
from one of these the nineteen seventiesdocumentaries. Really, I mean, I
know what was in there, Butwhere does the Bigfoot information come from?
Is it just online searching or isit a books that you read? Yeah,

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lots of books, man, I'vegot I've got some crazy books that
Again, being kind of having afoot in the special effects world, I
can sculpt and do things of thatnature. There's a guy here in Missouri.
I was fortunate enough his names.He's a paleo artist named Gary Stop
and for lack of a better hemakes dinosaurs and he one of the more

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recent things he did a megalodon forthe Smithsonian, that life sized megalodon that
it's hanging above. It's in therestaurant. But that's kind of what he's
known for. And I know,working with him, he was totally fascinated
by the stuff I was doing,and he was like, Hey, have
you read this book or what aboutthis book? You know, and coming

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across people that are like, hey, there's a really cool big footbook.
You know, not necessarily just nonfiction, but fiction books and stories and stuff
of that nature. I try todo, you know, I try to
put in the effort, you know, as well as I do. There's
there is a whole world of thingsfloating out there to dig into. You

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have the song Caught on super eightoh yeah, yeah, yeah, which
which is a little a little misleading, I guess, because caught on sixteen
millimeter doesn't really have the ring thatI wanted. Okay, I was gonna
check it on that see. Yeah, but I appreciate that you're keeping me
honest there. Yeah, but Bobois the official Bigfoot fact checker of all

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metal bands. By the way,No, I mean yeah, you know,
caught on sixteen millimeter. This wasn'trolling for me. But yeah,
the most part, that's yeah,absolutely, I mean you know exactly what
I'm talking about when you read throughthat, you know, I'm I mean,
I think even in the the lyrics, I I call it out pretty

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pretty hard. I mentioned Bob GamblinPatterson. I mean, that's that's what
I'm saying about. I mean,you know, it's like, yeah,
I just you know, try tofind an interesting angle to take with it.
Do you have a song about ApeCanyon? I don't. You don't.
Did you know this is the onehundred year anniversary of the a Canion
event. This might be a goodopportunity for you to. I don't know

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if you can hear that Cliff thatis the feverish writing of this pencil to
this pad. I can hear that. I can hear. I can also
hear you think, so be carefulwith what Yeah. No, no,
that's one that I haven't ventured into. Well. Yeah, the one hundred
year anniversary is on July tenth ofthis year, twenty twenty four, and
this is a great opportunity for youto kick that one out out of that

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of that pen that you're scrolling withat this moment. So perfect. I
love it. I mean, yeah, there's nothing that uh I think there's
and you know, I know there'sa lot of other stories to be told,
but yeah, it's it's funny howthere's things that I come across there,
like, uh, there's a crippledfoot cast. Uh huh. I
mean I'm obviously referring to again goingback to something where I always think back

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to Grover Krantz and holding up theuh, the plaster foot cast and pointing
out this like whole uh you knowanomaly that these bones and this. I
mean, you know who on earthwould write a song called crippled foot cast?
Gush? I am, I am, I'm that's I appreciate that.

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I mean, you know if youI mean, I don't know if you
could, if you dig into thisstuff. It's like I'm gonna because I
I really did. I tried todo my homework. It's like I say,
crippled foot cast with dermal ridges capturedin hydrocl impressions a malformation, a
skewed foot condition, a thousand footprintsleft behind in the snow. There actually

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were no dermal ridges in the crippleFoot cast, and it was casting Blaster
of Paris, not hydra Hell.And I'm so sorry about that. But
again, you've come on big withthem beyond I think to have us fact
checked you yes, and you haveto because you know. And also is
with any movie or music, youknow, you've got a little bit of
suspension of disbelief. Of course,yeah, some artistic liberty perhaps, right,

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definitely, but the fact that youknow, again, I'm trying to
think when you know, I can'tremember a lot of you know, and
I'm a big music fan all around, but I can't remember hearing a lot
of songs where anyone's singing about dermalridges. Does the Ameron have anything?
Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, Yamaron has one, you know,
the great Tom Yamaron, the bigfootballadre. I think you've I do not.

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I really hope that there's going tobe an exchange of information. Oh
yeah, well, well I've plannedis bad with him. We'll let you
open for us sometimes go to getIt's kind of like folk rock, bigfoot
folk rock. He's the Bob Dillan, a Bigfoot. I think if you're
looking to clear out a crowd,we are definitely the band to get This

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sounds like a challenge, sounds likea wonderful opportunity for an introvert like myself.
You know, I've got you know, we've gotten these opportunities like where
I'll get these messages from different Heywe're having this. You know, we're
having a like a conference. Yeah, these different collections of people where they
get these get togethers, and sowe'll say, hey, we're doing this,

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and then we're you have any interestfor your band, like maybe playing?
And I'm thinking, did you guyslike listen? I appreciate that,
but I said, I don't knowif we're the band for you. I
really don't. We're pretty niche too. It's interesting. I just think it's
funny. But you know, youknow, once somebody I was telling another

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guy that was a buddy of mine, I was talking to you today.
He happens to be the troglodyte lawyer. And because you know we need one,
well, I think most lawyers aretroglodites. Honestly, I got to
tell you he's a chip is apretty pretty straight shooter with upper management written
all over him. So, butwe were just talking, you know,
we're talking. It's like we it'sfunny, like how you were saying,

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how Bobo said, we were totallynot off your radar, but you knew
that we existed. But we're we'vebeen very organic how people find this.
We don't have an advertising budget.We don't have you know, we're not
aggressively promoting ourselves, you know,so it's real interesting that people have found
us. It's probably not you know, if you're a band and you're looking

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for some measure of fame or gettingout to the masses, it's not the
best way to go about it.No, No, I disagree, because
you're a big foot band and thereforeyou should be a little hard to find.
Exactly. Making ourselves a little elusiveis not a bad thing. Like,
I don't think it's a bad thingat all. I mean, some

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might argue that with you, andit can be detrimental to what you're trying
to do if you're wanting to achievea certain like you want to get your
word out. But no, Cliff, I totally agree with that. When
you open up our music in aCD or there's no pictures of us,
there's nothing. It's very scant information, you know, it's purposeful. We
wear masks like I created these masks, and we all kind of wear the

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same kind of mask. It's kindof taking the the uniqueness away from the
individual. I remember watching bands playand the guy I was standing next to
saying something about, oh man,he's got on a SO and so shirt.
I love that band. And howdistracted people become when they're watching these
bands play, you know, AndI thought, well, if I make

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us all we're all wearing the samemask, and we're wearing the same black
shirts, and we look at thisvery ambiguous look. That's just kind of
but scary, you know again,not putting everything out on the table,
not playing all, you know,not playing all of our cards, kind
of keeping a little bit of mystery, not you know, not really pushing

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out in the world that hey,yeah, I'm in trougla. I you
know, I don't Plus it makesanything to replace any uh acting up members.
Bobo, you are dead on.I mean, uh, we've been
very fortunate. We don't have ahuge turnover in our in our camp.
But you know, you're absolutely rightI mean it is it's the it's about
the music not the person, whichis kind of against the rock and roll

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mentality death metal. Yeah dude,yeah, I mean the way, you
know, the way music is.The landscape of music has changed a lot
in the last ten years, inthe last five years, so you know,
it's really easy to everybody can record. Now. You can go in
your bedroom and record a whole albumin an afternoon if you want. And
I understand that. And again,trying to do something that's a little different,

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a little off the path, youknow. We take the left hand
path a little bit, you know, and it's usually overgrown with brush and
there's footprints you can take cast.So that's a path we've chosen to take.
So sign me up. I waswonder, what's uh, what are
some cool stories that you heard frompeople that are kind of your shows and
going like, oh you guys areyou know, like they like they start

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telling like their story. How doyou think that really caught your attention?
There was a I remember when wetoured out West, I want to say
it was in twenty fourteen or twentysixteen. Maybe that was the last time
I think we really and like we'llplay out. I feel like we play
out wes More that like Colorado andDenver and stuff. But I remember so

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I remember playing a. We playeda it was the it was the Foot
I think it was called the Foothillsgut Fest. I'm sure you guys know
all about this, and I believethat was in Fort Collins, and I
remember we were kind of like itwas it was a lot of this particular

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kind of It was a lot ofdeath metal bands, and it was a
lot of and a very specific kindof death metal band they call slam.
It was a very specific genre.So we kind of stuck out a little
bit anyway, just with how welook and then our sound. But I
remember this kid had came over tothe table and he was telling me a
story about how that when he waslittle, that somebody had stolen like the

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car from the driveway. And hesaid, and this was really funny.
I don't know if this was likehe said, well, you know,
everybody said it was his uncle,but you know, he said, I'm
convinced it was Bigfoot. And Isaid, oh really, and he's like
yeah, He's like well, andI just remember being like very taken back.
He's like, well, what makesyou think that Bigfoot could drive a

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car? You know, I mean, I said, for all intents,
I said, I'm just going toplay Devil's advocate here. I said,
you know, I mean, I'mthinking I think of Bigfoot in terms of
an as an animal. And Isaid, so, what makes you think
that he, you know, hecould actually get behind the wheel of this
car and want to steal your yourmom's Ford Taurus out of the driveway.

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Uh. He said, well,what makes you think that he can't logic
and basic intelligence? Dude? Imean that's one that I was well,
and it's funny because I revisited thatstory later in music. Oh really,
and one of the songs is aboutthat. Yeah. I was like,
there was a song on the lastalbum that we did called speed Kills,

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and I kind of took a highlevel swipe at it, you know,
about Bigfoot. I mean, it'sabout Bigfoot stealing the car. These guys,
it's these guys hit a big footwith a car, and they're so
excited. They're like, oh mygod, we hit a big foot with
our car. We're going to berich. We've actually literally done the unthinkable

(27:56):
here, We've caught one and asthey're sitting there celebrating the big what gets
up and he takes off in theirstation wagon? Oh? Very Harry and
the Henderson's like yeah, you knowit's a total yeah, but I remember
thinking about that whole stealing the carthing. You got another Henderson's reference song,
yeah, yeah, on the BoggyCreek. We've got a son called

(28:18):
hit by the Henderson's. Yeah,it's a low hanging fruit. You know,
first album. We got to getthem all out and get get the
hits out there. So did youever have anyone come up and tell you
like a like a legit story thatI was like, well, that was
that was pretty rad one. Imean I can think of like handfuls of
people saying that they'd seen something orthey you know, they were out camping

(28:41):
and they heard the noise, youknow, the sounds, but nothing that
really sticks out in my mind,you know, other than this. The
the thing that always stuck out tome when people were describing like their experience
or the incident or whatever it was, was just them and how involved they
were, you know, beyond thestory itself. Did you try to come

(29:04):
out to their location, like wegot bigfoots out where I'm and you should
come out. I can't ever rememberthat other than you know, very high
level. It's like, you know, Portland, you guys ought to come
out here. This is Bigfoot country, you know that kind of stuff.
But nothing like a ranch address outin the middle of Utah or anything.

(29:25):
Nothing like that. Stay tuned formore Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Will be right back after these messages. Do you ever go squashing yourself?
You know, I wouldn't, noton the level that you're probably talking
about. Well, I mean,just go to an area specifically because like

(29:48):
bigfoots have been thought to have beenreported there. No, not not specific,
just other than you know, Ispent a lot of time in the
woods when I was a kid.I mean I grew up in the sticks.
So yeah, you know, Momo, I've been to Foul twice and
it was before the Monster mart existed, so I need to like and for

(30:11):
whatever reason, we've never really touredthrough there, which seems criminal. And
you know it's funny. I've gotI know, we've got a mutual friend,
Lyle Blackburn. Yeah, I wasgonna bring that up actually, just
because I mean, so much ofyour your your music seems to be I
mean centered around me, not centered. But you know it's right there in

(30:32):
the name, the name of youralbum. You know it says, you
know, boy Creek right there.And also when I was looking at your
album art, uh, the Don'tGo in the Woods specifically, is that
the same artists who did Lyle's bookcover? Yes, there you go.
Yeah, I thought I recognized thestyle. It's fantastic. I thought like
familiar to Yeah, Lyle was hereached out to me. Probably it was

(30:56):
for the first album and he waswriting for room Ord, the horror magazine.
He wrote a pretty awesome article forus or about us for room Orde.
Uh, right before the first albumcame out, And we've kind of
kept in touch ever since. Youknow, we talked from time to time.

(31:17):
I'm talking to him for a while. He's a he's a busy dude.
Man. I always get a kickout of Like, I'll hear my
my wife is big on. She'sif I love Bigfoot, she's even ten
times more than me. But I'llhear the squeal like from the other room.
Lyle's on like she sees him onthe show. So let's let's hit

(31:37):
her on there where they went tothat amusement park today. Okay, have
you ever heard Lyle's band? I'veseen him once. They were playing,
Uh they did Gosh. I thinkit was called I think he played they
have a thing here called Greece Rama, and I think his band had played
here one time, cool Town,and I didn't at the time. I

(32:00):
didn't know him then, but i'dalready seen him, and it didn't come
like there was a weird like,oh wait a minute, you're in like
you know, I kind of afterthe fact discovery after we talked, and
because he had played and he playedup here, I feel like they played
up here a couple of times andI'd seen him play, but I didn't

(32:20):
know him them, So I don'tthink he's I don't think I feel like
I don't think Ghoule Town is.I don't think they're active. They just
did some stuff for not too longago, but yeah, they had a
long eye of this. They're semiactive, I think is what it is.
Periodically active. Probably they're probably asactive as troglodite. Let's just be
probably just when you need to bestill keeping it loosive. No, he's

(32:45):
a good dude though. Oh yeah, I love the guy A good good
friend of ours, good friend ofours. This girl trying to give you
the name of Trogola. Back inhigh school, my friend's neighbor, she's
like and so she just started callingme trog all the time for like probably
like two years, like a smallgroup of my friends from like that group
of friends was calling me trog AndI was like, that's when I embraced

(33:06):
the bobo nickname. I was like, was a trog It's so funny,
Like it's it's such a word likethat, you know, you hear it
and it really stands out, andyou're usually in such a derogatory way that
you hear it, So it wasfunny. I was. I went to
see a totally blind. I wentto see this movie Bone Tomahawk. Huge

(33:30):
Kurt Russell fan, love Kurt Russell, and I was a fan of the
guy that had directed it. Hewas A Zollor is his name, and
he's an author, and I waspretty excited to see it. I thought,
Oh, it's like a horror westernor something, I guess, and
I didn't know anything about it.Went into it totally blind, and it
was really good. It was reallydone and it's funny. It's like,

(33:52):
uh, like in the first tenminutes of the movie, these uh,
this man's wife is kidnapped and therewho took him. It was like,
they don't even have a name.They're just like troglodytes. They live in
caves and stuff. And I gotsuch a kick out of that. And
you know, they're these like animallike people that you know, it's just
something you just don't hear a lot. So I thought that was really funny.

(34:13):
So, but they weren't bigfoots though, No, trogolot I think technically
like the translates into like cave dwellers. Yeah, it has nothing to do
with Bigfoot other than my association thatI've drawn to it. Yeah, it's
a it's a man like ape.I think that's the literal translation. Now
now, Homo Trogloditees was a namethat was actually coined by Linnaeus, the

(34:37):
guy that the father of taxonomy,the guy who invented this like genus species
nomenclature for all species on the planet. There was actually something called Homo trugloditis,
but it was later changed to pantrogoloiditis into the genus something to do
with chimpanzees if I remember correctly,so it might be a nice rabbit hole

(35:00):
for you to jump down. Itake listen. I will listen back to
this and take notes and inspiration.Uh. Now, inspiration is uh,
I mean it's all around me.I mean it really is. And uh,
it's all it's always it's always interestingto uh come across another bigfoot fan
uh or somebody who has a passionfor it, and they they bring a

(35:22):
perspective that you know you don't necessarilyhave them. So there have you know,
it was like, uh again,I keep going back to my ridiculous
songs, like there's on the onthe new one, I did a song
they Outlaw, which isn't necessarily thoughtto be a bigfoot thing. But there

(35:44):
are people who share an opinion thatit was some sort of creature or something
that those are wrong. Well youknow how that came about. It was
a bottom feeding production company that basicallylied about it. Well again, I
I take the high ground. Itake I go take a very high level.
And when even when I you listento what I'm singing about again,

(36:06):
it's more about the the nature ofthe unknown and what did this? So
could you argue it's not really aboutBigfoot, Yeah, of course, yeah,
yeah, I just keep waiting forI can't. You know how hard
it is to find something that rhymeswith Gigantopithecus Australia pithecus. Yeah, yeah,
there's a lot of pithecus out there, I bet. Yeah. But

(36:29):
I mean, how much can youresurrect that one? I guess you know,
yeah, no, no pun intended, fantastic, you know what.
I think this is a good opportunityto maybe play part of one of your
songs. Now, if you ifyou were to baptize our audience into one
of your songs, which one won'tmake their ears bleed like right away?
You know, like like what's anice gateway drug into troglodite? Or you

(36:53):
can hear some where you can hearsome of the vocals, like if you
can tell what you're saying with hellyeah, I would say I would say
if I was like a good gatewaysong, I would I would probably give
you guys. I would say,uh, Entrails torn from a Cryptid's Gut,
nice mid tempo, It sounds likea nice song. Yeah, so

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what album is this song? Asas Cliff is as we all know that
one is from our third studio album, Anthropological Curiosities and Unearthed Archaeological Relics.
I knew that, but I didn'twant to build cliff all. I mean,
who could forget that one? Imean that that features such toe tapping
classics as weed our own, whichexplains why you never find Bigfoot remains,

(38:21):
the It Takes Guts. That's agood that's a real toe tapper. And
the big radio hit off that onewas Abnormalities and Dramatical Ethics colon Identification of
the Unknown Primate. Now are yougetting are you getting radio play? Or
is there such a thing for thatfor death metal? I don't even know.
Yeah, I say it sarcastically,now, you know I say that,

(38:42):
But you know what's radio? Now? Now there's a million podcasts that
and different. I would say probablynot a typical radio play now, No,
no, of course not. Butthere are people who found us and
it's like, hey, we we'rebig fans of this, of Breed and
and he was playing one of yoursongs on his podcast, like, oh

(39:02):
that's freaking awesome. So as faras I radio played, So there is
no real radio outlet for death metal, I assume, so mostly podcast stuff,
and like because I mean I knowof I mean I know of Cannibal
Corpse, I know of like Gwarand some other bands at directions, you
know, but like, how dothey get popular if there's no radio plays?
It just live live shows and stuff, Like what's the hope there?

(39:25):
You know? Yeah, you knowit's funny. You should we get We
definitely hear compare. I get theoh, you guys sound like Cannibal Corps,
and I definitely get that. Hugefan of Gwar, love those guys.
They've been very kind to the Troglodykeecrew over the years. We've played
their warbecue that they've done, andthey've given us opportunities to open for them.

(39:50):
Yeah. Yeah, great bunch ofguys and again doing something very not
radio friendly at all on both ofthose bands. So it's interesting to me
that like it's not uh you know, they found their audience. They've just
kind of cut their own path,you know, they don't. Uh.
Guar was very lucky, uh youknow, I say lucky. They they

(40:15):
were definitely doing their own thing.You know, these art students from Virginia
and they were doing touring and touringand you know, their shows are crazy.
They are these giant productions of fakeblood and monsters and stuff, and
I think they're big, like big. Push was uh Beavis and butt Heead.

(40:36):
Yeah, they played one of theirvideos and as silly as that sounds,
that pushed a lot of band Thatmeant the difference from being an obscure
extreme metal band into all of asudden you're selling one hundred two hundred thousand
copies of your album and people wantto see you and they go to see
the show, you know, soyou're they were exposed, uh you know

(40:59):
in that capacity the help break Wingertwo. Yeah, I mean you think
about all the stuff that those thatsilly show did, even the bands that
they get on there and they arecompletely roasting and making fun of, they
still sold records. Yeah, Ifelt bad. Like Ween was on there
too, and they heckled Ween.I love Wing, Oh I love Wing.

(41:20):
That's why I was like, yougotta like those guys. You guys,
it's like that no, you know, uh no, advertisement is bad
advertisement kind of thing, because evenmaking fun of these guys, they still
put them over, you know,in a way that exposed them to an
audience. And you know that that'sthe one thing now you know, used
to have things like Cliff to yourpoint, you know, even without airplay,

(41:44):
used to have stuff like head Bang'sBall or uh, I'm trying to
think. You know, there wereshows that actually used to show music videos
and uh, you know that justdoesn't exist anymore. So it's really hard
for some of these now there's,uh, you don't have that outlet.
And you know, I think alot of it's just luck being at the
right place the right time. Andyou know, you there are bands they

(42:07):
get somebody's ear, they somebody,they catch somebody's attention, or they know
someone and they have the ability tokind of break through a little bit,
you know, because again a lotof these bands, you know, just
not getting the airplay that doesn't existonce. It's like a community radio station
at Tuesday night, three in themorning. Yes, absolutely absolutely, and

(42:30):
I think it's wonderful that you've gotthe ability that you know, now you
know, people can do things likea podcast and they can go through and
they can curate these things and exposepeople to this music that they didn't even
know existed. Stay tuned for moreBigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will

(42:51):
be right back after these messages,So you do have a YouTube page,
then yeah, we've and again oneof those things that it's kind of been
a conscious effort to we don't havemusic videos, which is funny because I'm
a music video director. I've workedfor several different like labels, and I

(43:15):
work for mostly extreme metal stuff,and I understand the importance of it,
but again, I think there's somethinglost. Man. It's like I don't
really you know, I you know, there's a part of me that thinks
it's like I want to do amusic video and if I do, it's
going to be the most amazing thingever. And I just don't want to
push something out of us playing ina warehouse, bang in our head.

(43:35):
And also I think it kind ofadds to the mystique. You know,
you can you can go and findand that's something else you kind of touched
on a little bit. It's likeI always feel like there's a certain part
of us that I kind of alwayslike that the only way you can see
is is you can find YouTube videoswhere people come and film us. And
it's very much like trying to capturefootage of a sasquatch. It's usually shaky,

(43:59):
almost unwatchable film, like it lendsitself very much to the same world,
you know, dark, underlit,terrible environment, you know, but
I think there's a certain charm toit too. So you'd have to have
a pretty good budget for a videofor you to be happy with it.
I mean, because you got allthose skills and talent and you know what
you want, and I take alot of resources to get that together.

(44:22):
Yeah, I mean, you knowit's crazy, Bobo, because it's like
the music videos. I shoot,they're all like concepts. It's I like
little movies. Like if you wantyour band banging their head in a warehouse
and the fan blowing off, thatis not me And I'll have to share
that stuff with you guys, becauseit is. I mean, it's like
the stuff I do is like littletiny movies. I mean they are straight

(44:45):
up concept. It's like watching alittle slice of a movie. And that's
you're right. I mean, todo it, it's tricky, and you
know, like with everything in themusic industry, they don't you know,
the budgets aren't like they were tenyears ago, so it gets even trickier
trying to create something on you know, but you know, most people spend

(45:06):
more going to Costco, you know, probably than we spend on these music
videos sometimes. So it's kind ofinteresting, you know, I know,
during the pandemic and we had thewe had, of course, you know,
the greatest We always have the greatestluck. I feel like Charcolodite in
general has kind of just missed themark on stuff. Our luck's just off.
So but here we get this newalbum done and then the pandemic hits,

(45:29):
so we can't really tour, wecan't support it. Uh. I
know, we were going to shoot. We had a pretty elaborate video planned,
and then I got COVID so itkind of shut everything down and I
was fortunate it was very uneventful.But still that was pretty early on,
so I had to figure out,well, what are we going to do?

(45:52):
So I literally went through and madea music video that looks like a
video game and it's the most ridiculousthing ever, but people loved it.
You know. It was just likethinking outside the box, well what can
I do to get us out there, you know, and make sure that
it looks like an old eight bitNintendo game. The marketing of the band
and trying to keep it organic hasalways been important and stuff too. You
know, did we talk about theI made mummified yetty hands, I saw

(46:15):
that out of your page. Well, we didn't talk about it. Tell
us about it, please. Oneof the things like I always being a
fan. You know, I'm afan first, first and foremost. I'm
always a fan, you know.So, like I do a lot of
merch design. Sometimes for bands,they need a shirt or something, so
I'll do that. And I alwaysthought, you know, if I'm gonna

(46:36):
I wanted to do stuff that ifI was a fan or something that I
would get. Oh, man,I got to have that. That is
so cool, That is so soI've like, even with the shirts,
all of our merch, I've triedto take extraordinary measures to do stuff that
is like very well thought out,for lack of a better word, if
that if you can say that.So one of the things I always talked

(46:59):
about doing was like, man,I would love to make a mammified yetti
hand and when you buy it,it comes in a little bag like an
old school toy on a card.I had some downtime at the first of
the year. The movie stuff wasreally slow and the weather was just awful,
so I retreated into the back intothe trog cave and I mass produced.

(47:21):
I don't know how many of theseyetti hands I made, but I
made them. I mean they're likea toy. I mean they're on a
bag that they're on a card.There's a legend, a story that's on
the back of it. And Icouldn't couldn't get them out of the house
fast enough. Once I pushed thatout into the social world, and again
very small. I didn't like buyads. I just kind of pushed it

(47:43):
out into our social social channels andthey were gone. They're gone. That's
great, that's absolutely cool. Soare you selling those anymore? Yes,
it's a authentic mummified yetti hand withan asterisk, right, and as you
know, you can almost smell theauthentic. And then I had to put
a little dis I put a littledisclaimer. You know, mummified yetti hands

(48:04):
are a recreation and not real mummifiedyetti hands. I love this. I
guess I'm on your website trug Lightdot big Cartel dot com products. I
don't know if that's your website,but that's what I found here. Yeah,
yeah, drives to the shop.Yeah yeah, I guess I tried
to go to neander Core, whichI think is the coolest description of any
music I've ever heard of my life. No, that's yeah, and that's

(48:28):
where it just I've got to redirectright now. Yeah, I've cutting out
the middleman, Cliff going right forthe wallet. No, I am I.
I love it. I love it. In fact, I am buying
one of these mummified yetti hands formy Bigfoot museum. Don't do that.
Let me send you one. Howabout that? It would be my privilege
to send you on. We'll talkabout that once we stopped recording. But

(48:49):
yeah, I want one of thesefrom my museum. Yes, I definitely
want to make sure that you have. You guys have your own mummified yetti
hands. Did I? I wasso close to order one last night,
but I'm like, I'm I wasshortly with a discussion of spending listen totally
there. Well, we'll make we'llmake these dreams of reality. We we
actually went to the Peing Bunchie Monasterywhen we were filming Funding Big there when

(49:10):
we saw the replica hand, thethree D imaging place, the big Time
special effects workshops. Yeah, theone. Yeah, Peter Jackson's did the
three D one. Yeah, yeah, we got to see that. We
got to see that when it wasthat thing was big. It turns out
of him. I have a friendwho works for Wedda Workshops. He's a

(49:32):
big foot fan and all this otherstuff. He's a great, great guy.
Daniel Falcon is his name, andhe did a lot of the stuff
with Lord of the Rings and he'sa super nice guy. When he came
over here with Wet to do somesort of you know gig basically you know
where they set up their giant boothin one of these big holes, I
hung out with him, and sowhen I was doing the museum, I

(49:52):
reached out to Daniels said, Hey, I know Wedda supplied the real ping
Buschet Monastery with a hand. Whatcan you guys help us out? And
he goes, oh, my frienddid that, and that'd probably be out
of your price range. But there'sanother person who can make a fantastic copy
of Reblica. So I employed thisother artist and she did a fantastic job,
and that is actually the one that'son display in the museum. The

(50:14):
artist's name is Sonja Howard from NewZealand, and she did a fantastic job
of it she did. She didthe scalp and the hand. Actually,
yes, I love the scalp.That was like I was really torn to
do, Like I want to do, I gotta do the scalp too.
It's like, no, it's alittle that'll be a little more difficult for
me to market like in a waythat was more the hand was more practical

(50:37):
way. And plus we had asong. I don't have a song any
any song about the scalp yet yetYETI yeah, I love it, dude,
absolutely, Are you kidding? No? I love it. Man.
It's funny. I again, youknow, it's like, we don't take

(50:57):
ourselves seriously obviously when I'm talking toyou about this stuff. But if you're
a fan of the music and whenyou listen to it, you get what
we're doing. We don't make funof it. We're not the music itself.
We take very seriously. So it'slike, if you like if you
like extreme music, if you likedeath metal, if you're a fan of
Cannibal Corps or Obituary or Carcass orany of those kind of bands, you're

(51:21):
gonna love what we're doing. Soif you know I tried to get something.
It's like, if you didn't likethat, well, you know,
there it is. It's a tondefinitely firmly planted in cheek. What's what's
your what's your most popular T shirtdesign that you guys sell. It's got
some cool T shirts? Thank you, gosh, I would say, uh.
And again, it's always the onesI riff on pop culture are always

(51:45):
the ones that you seem to goover Gamebusters. I know the one I
did the art for the the onewhere Harry's holding George Henderson's head. Yeah,
John, let's go right. That'smy favorite one by far, I
think on here, Yeah, yeah, that one. People, I mean
they it's like, you know,and again, it was like a digital
painting that I worked on that Idid it for a flyer for a show,

(52:07):
and I just never I thought,man, that's a really intense piece
of artwork for a flyer. ButI kind of kicked it around for a
while and I thought, I'm justgonna throw that on a T shirt.
I wonder if anybody would buy it. Well, they made it, right,
I mean, that's one without failand it's not the art's been around
for a little while. But whenwe play a show, I can't get

(52:28):
that one out of the box fastenough. Well, you know, it
seems we're pretty much out of time. Man. In fact, we might
have even gone over it because you'vebeen such a great guest. There's no
overtime, clip, there's no timelimit. Well, I think we do
have an overtime. Why don't weinvite them to come to the members section
and hang out a little bit longer? Sure, yeah, let's do that.
Do you have a little bit moretime, Jeff, Oh yeah I
do. Yeah, thanks, yeah, yeah, let's let's let's save the

(52:50):
rest of this. We'll play acouple more year tunes and we'll get to
get it down to the nitty grittyand some of the weirder stuff. I
guess when our member section, becausewe do an extra hour every week for
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(53:14):
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Gaba. Hey, Jeff, thankyou very much for your time, and
let's spend another hour together a littlebit less, I suppose, and over
the member section and we'll continue theconversation there. Thank you to Jeff Siston
for coming on and teaching us aboutdeath metal with bigfoot involved. Yeah,

(53:37):
and Jeff, where can people findout more information before we let you loose?
Well, I got to tell youif you're if you're really Jones and
for some bigfoot death metal, youcan find us at neander Core, which
is in E A N D ER C O R E dot com.
You can also find us at trogdot rocks. Yeah, and I know

(54:00):
some of our listeners will be interested. I'm looking at you, Todd and
Bart. I know that people areout there are gonna love this, so
I got to tell you and youknow, and for any of those who
can't, if you can't even rememberthose, you can always type in bigfoot
death metal and you'll find trougladite.See, you do have the corner that
the market corner man. That's awesome. I think we appear in the first

(54:20):
several searches results, so it's prettyeasy to track us down, No pun
intended. You guys own that section. We're trying. It's mission accomplished,
okay, So Jeff hang on fora few moments and Bubb'll get us out
of here and we'll start another recording. All right, folks, That was
Jeff Siston from Chocoladite. Check themout and we'll be talking a little some

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