Ep. 275 - Hocking Hills Bigfoot Festival!

Cliff Barackman and Matt Pruitt discuss their experiences at the recent Hocking Hills Bigfoot Festival in Logan, Ohio! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bobo Fay.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hey Bobes. Oh wait a minute, you're not Bobes. You're
Matt Pruett. Where's Bobo up, dude? Close enough, close, but
no cigar. Not that Bobo smokes, of course, But at
the same time, yeah, Bobo's not going to be here today.
He is down in southern California with family, and normally
I am more than happy to heckle Bobo however I
can about not being on the podcast and flaking out

(00:52):
and not getting his trailer out of my garage or
or any number of things that I can tease my
good friend about. But this time I'm not teasing him
at all. He has a legit excuse, so we're gonna
let him off the hook this time. I don't expect
a doctor's note or a note from his mother or
anything like that. Maybe get a note from Kreta just
because she is an angel, but other than that Bobo
is excused this time, so you're stuck with me and

(01:14):
Matt preuit. It's not a bad situation. So it's a
Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff oftentimes Bobo and always Matt
Prewitt lurking behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, it's too bad Bobo can't be here because for
listeners who heard last week's episode, Bobo was lamenting a
bit about his budding cat and dog sitting and walking business,
and we've gotten a lot of emails from people who
are interested in his services. So I will save his
business prospects for the next time Bobo's on the call with.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Us, so our listeners can write in and solicit work
from Bobo or for Bobo.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, he got a lot of interest, and so I
think people must be very confident in his pet sitting abilities.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I don't know. I mean, I might let him take
care of one of my plants.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, I would worry that he might lock himself up
out of the doghouse in the same way that he
locked himself out of his own house, etc.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
But you know, he has broken into his own house successfully,
probably countless times, countless time. Certainly a doghouse wouldn't be
able to keep him out, So.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
We'll see there's some pretty big dogs out there.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
And let me be clear about my plant statement. I
want to make sure everybody realizes that I would let
Bobo take care of one of my plants if it
was a succulent. So anyway, Yeo, Matt and I we're
going to be talking about this past weekend because we
had a wonderful event in general this past weekend out
in Ohio. It was absolutely great. But before we jump
into the regular episode, there's a few things I want
to talk about that I'm kind of excited about. Cited

(02:37):
because it's a neat opportunity to reach out to various
people about Sasquatch and do some education. But also it's
just a neat thing for the NABC to be doing.
The North American Bigfoot Center, which of course is my
Bigfoot museum in Boring, Oregon. We are teaming up with
the Columbia Gorge Discovery Center and Museum in the Dows
like a totally big, like legit museum no matter who's

(02:58):
looking at it. Of course, the NBC, in my opinion,
is a legit museum, but the topic matter may not
be legit to everybody, but this museum is legit capital
L E. G.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I T.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
And yeah, so we're going to be teaming up with
them here in August. It's called there's a there's an
exhibit that they've broke us into called we Believe a
Sasquatch exhibit or we believe, or it's something like that.
I don't know, I'm pretty approximate. Maybe it's something like that,
we believe Sasquatch in the Columbia Gorge, or I'm not
sure what exactly the title that we all settled on.

(03:30):
I've been kind of out of a loop because I've
been out of town. I think it's something like we
believe in Sasquatch, something like that. Nonetheless, I do know
it's this particular museum. I've done some events at this
museum before. They are very bigfoot friendly. Back in the
day Chris Murphy when he was dragging around his exhibits
to various locations, this museum was happy to show it.

(03:53):
So Chris Murphy was there, and Steinberg was there. I
think Melgrum was there, Paul Graves was out there. I
remember Bob Gimlin was there, Mel skahand I know I'm
missing a tomm Yamarone, tons and tons of people like
I'm sure I'm leaving out thirty that I'll probably get
emails from later. Hope we didn't mention me because I
have bad memory. Relax, if you're my friend, you know
who I am. It's all cool. But anyway, they are

(04:16):
doing a Bigfoot exhibit and we are lending this museum,
the Columbia Gorge Discovery Center and Museum various displays from
the North American Bigfoot Center. I've redone a couple of them.
But they're going to get artifacts, they are going to
get cast they are going to be displaying our stuff,
I believe starting on August twenty second through December thirty first,

(04:39):
So August twenty second here through the end of the year.
In other words, they're going to be kicking it off
with an event, an event that I'm going to go
out and speak at. From what I understand, I know
I'm going to be there. I believe they have me
speaking again. I've been out of town. I've been a
little out of the loop here, but yeah, so I'll
be out there and I don't know if it costs.
Maybe it's free, maybe it's small price, but either way,

(05:01):
you're supporting their museum, which I think is a cool thing.
And of course I'm just you know, we're just cooperating
with them because we want to cooperate with other museums
anywhere they are. So this is a neat opportunity because
lots and lots of people drop by the Discovery Center
and museum, then you know, maybe some of that traffic
will come over to my museum and learn a little
bit more. Because I'm not giving them everything, you know,
I'm not giving them things like, you know, the the

(05:23):
Roseberg footage. I'm not good of giving them like or
lending them original casts right now, so they're all duplicates.
So if you want to see that stuff, you still
have to come to the NABC. But I'm pretty excited
about that. I think it's going to be a great
events and when I hear more details, I'm going to
be talking about it more on the podcast. But if
you live, you know, within spitting distance of the dolls

(05:44):
August twenty second, come down and spit you know, well
we'll have like a spitting contest, you know who can
do it the furthest but don't spin on me. That
should be on that flag you know that that flag
this is don't tread on me, So don't spit on me,
because frankly, I'd rather be tread upon than spat upon.
You know, Well, digression happens, that's what we're here for.
We were a digression from everybody's day to day work.
And you know, it wasn't That was one of the

(06:04):
pleasant things about this past gig. It was a good gig.
I really enjoyed this one. Lots and lots of good people.
It was busy enough that it kept me, you know,
distracted from person to person to person. There were a
couple of people I wish I could have spoken to a
little bit longer. And there's a couple of people I
spoke to that I wish it could have been a
little bit shorter. But that's the way gigs go. But
this was a great one, a great one. Last few years.

(06:27):
There were tens and tens of thousands of people at
this job. It was Hawking Hills big Foot Festival down
in Logan, Ohio. You were there, of course, Matt, You
and Emily were there. Turtleman was there, Ernie, remember Turtleman
from the Animal Planet show. He was there, And yeah,
that guy's just nuts, you know. In the course speaking

(06:47):
of nuts, wild Bill was there, Various other folks were there.
It was a good, good event man, what'd you think.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I didn't get to meet the infamous Turtleman, but he
was probably half a block or maybe a little more
away from us, and he was not miked up, and
I could hear his call all day long. So so
even though I didn't get to lay eyes on him,
I heard him multiple times throughout the day.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Live action, live action. I asked him, when you go
to a funeral, do you yell that?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well, at least now I can count myself among the
class B Turtleman witnesses.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, right right, yeah, but good event man. A lot
of you guys, a lot of our listeners came up
and shared how much you guys enjoyed the podcast, which
I really appreciate. I really appreciate that people who don't
join the podcast or don't enjoy the podcast came up
and told me how much they hate it, because at
least those people have the good sense not to listen.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I don't think any of those people exist. How many
people actually said.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
That zero zero, which is nice, you know, because that's
something that always I've always found staggering ever since I
was on the TV show from the very very beginning,
is that people would go seemingly go out of their
way to voice their displeasure with something I said or
did or with me and then don't get me wrong, man,
I mean, there's lots of people out in the world

(08:04):
that I don't enjoy listening to, or I don't enjoy
their thoughts, or I think they're idiots or something like that.
But guess what, man, I don't listen. Some people just listen.
Maybe just I know a couple of people I've run
across a couple of people in my life that hate
fuels them in some sort of way. And don't get
me wrong, I get in my moods too where I like,
I really get into disliking something. But the kind of
person who would hate somebody and then listen, that's kind

(08:27):
of I hate this guy, listen to this guy. I
listen every week.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, it's pretty bizarre. There's a number of things that
I listen to or certain voices that have very different
perspectives than I do, and I find there takes interesting
even though I don't agree with him, because they're still insightful,
or they might give you insight into the other side
of the coin on I give an issue or whatever.
And I have friends who will say things like, oh,
how can you listen to that? And it's like, well,

(08:52):
because I'm an adult and I can listen to things
I don't agree with without being personally offended or upset
by it, you should try it. And also, like you said, like,
I'm not obligated to listen, And so I've had to
use that line on a lot of people when they're
like I disagree with this or I can't believe this,
and I'm like, well, one of the coolest features of
this thing, whether it's the podcast or the book or whatever,

(09:15):
it's like one of the coolest features that you're not
actually obligated to read it or listen to it, So
try it.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
It takes effort. It takes effort to listen to this stuff.
That's what always shocked me is that people are they
hate the this was a fining Bigfoot thing. They hated
the show, thought we were all idiots, but yet they
watched every week and sometimes they would pin like twelve
paragraph essays, all in capital letters with very little punctuation,
describing their loathing for what we're doing. But yet, like

(09:42):
I'd get emails semi regularly was from some of these people.
It's like, wait a minute, you know that television turns
off as well.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
You're still providing a service because it is an escape,
you know, because they're they're escaping whatever else they're worried
about into something that they can be recreationally upset about,
which is unfortunate. But you know, I do see that
sort of sentiment. It exists online in an unfortunate abundance
where if we're talking about a given podcast or a

(10:10):
show or a book or an event like this, you'll
see all sorts of negative comments, and people make these
broad generalizations and overarching statements and almost like character indictments
of the people who would go to and enjoy something
like that. But what's always interesting is like, at every
one of these sorts of events I've been to, people
are overwhelmingly positive and happy to be there, and so

(10:31):
that negative element just doesn't really occur in person. And
then secondly, like again those broad overarching statements like oh
my god, look at all these believers. It's like, well,
it's it's a free festival that's full of like music,
live music. You know, there's a DJ, there's food trucks,
there's vendors, there's local artists. There's a gazillion things to do,

(10:54):
and most of these people are just there to have
a good day with their friends and family. Like belief
is not a pre requisite or even enthusiasm. I mean,
where I grew up, there was a sorghum festival, and
that was like the thing that the whole town would
come out for. And it's not like I was a
sorgum enthusiasm, you know what I mean, it was just
a thing to do.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Last time I had sorgum, I just went to the
dentist and he fixed it.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
There's a pun in there somewhere, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Somewhere in there, somewhere in there. Well yeah, I mean,
and you know, some of these heckelers and haters and
trolls and stuff online. Particularly man, I gotta say, you know,
mind you I do. I essentially do Bigfoot for a
living at this point, right between the museum, the speaking events,
the podcast, you know, most spare days I have I'm

(11:38):
out in the woods. So I mean, it really is
my life. But some of these people know a lot
more about what's going on than I do. Like, for
something that you think is nonsense, why would you spend
so much time looking into it? That'd totally bewildering to me.
I don't think i'll ever ever ever understand people like
why would you do that to yourself?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
I've always found that really funny because there's many things
that I don't involve myself in, like stamp collecting or
playing golf, and I just can't imagine spending all of
my time in the comments sections of like golf forums
and social media groups lamenting about how I don't see
golf as a valid use of my time because it's

(12:19):
just bizarre, you know, But I get it. There's I
think that's the sort of in a biological sense, like
that's the environment that these you know, posts and comments,
you know they're selecting for, and that's what these little
organisms have adapted to, is impulsivity and often negativity or

(12:41):
again like broad generalizations about all the attendees or all
the speakers, and almost this weird like prescience about oh,
I know why they're there, and I know what their
real motivations are. People that they've never met, never encountered,
never spoken to, never listened to, and so I try
not to take that step personally because I see it
and I'm like, you know, I don't know what figment

(13:02):
of your imagination you've confused for me, But all those
things you said, like, they don't apply to me, and
they don't apply to my friends, and they don't apply
to the hundreds or thousands or in this case, you know,
many thousands of people that I encountered and interacted with
and talked to and had, you know, smiling conversations with.
And so I tried not to let it bother me.
But it is always like remarkable and sad that someone

(13:24):
could see a lot of people on a beautiful sunny day,
all wearing smiles on their face, and often with their
family or children or friends having fun, and think, what
about a hogwash? What about your losers?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Like grow up? You know, yeah, yeah, don't you agree
with me? Facebook people on this one particular place. You know,
let's say, come on, man, get get out of your
own shell, man, get out of your basement, Go do
something cool, man, and go enjoy something. And they shut
down the entire city. And now mind you, Logan's not
a big city, but they shut down pretty much the
whole place, the whole main street for what one, two, three,

(13:59):
four blocks, big old city blocks. Everybody was having a
good time. It drew tens of thousands of people to
this event. I mean over the last I mean this
is the third year of the event. I think, I
mean eleven thousand people the first year, forty six thousand
the next. I don't know how many it was this year.
Maybe not quite as much because the weather was pretty
bad this time, but I had tens of thousands of

(14:21):
people showed up, all having a good time. What a
great event, just because it talk about a community. This
was way bigger than logan. I spoke to lots of
people that drove hour and a half, two hours, four hours,
in some cases even more. I spoke to somebody from
Connecticut who drove down.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Just for that.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I guess haters gonna hate, as they say.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, I talked to people from Massachusetts and upstate New
York and a whole lot of sort of far flung
places that had driven a long way for that. And
you know, I always have these experiences because I'm a talker,
as I'm sure our listeners know. And I just made
a lot of eyes roll when they heard that, and
so like, I like to talk talk to people when
they come up and learn a little bit about them,

(15:03):
because you know, you hear a lot of the same names.
So I'll meet a bunch of Tim's and a bunch
of Jenny's and a bunch of Steves, and so I
might not remember a specific name and I'm like, oh,
where are you coming in from? You know, what do
you do? And I'll remember like, Oh, that guy's from
this state and has this profession, or oh, this woman
listens to the podcast and she's out of this state,
YadA YadA. And so in that process of asking questions

(15:24):
at these events, I always end up meeting someone that
I have some prior connection to or interaction with, and
to I can let my nerd flag fly here because
Bobo's not here to go nerd, although I'm sure he
will at some point in the near future.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Can we just like make a sound bite and plug
that in every once in a while if we need it.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, it's because you're a nerd.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
He always says, well, well, won't cloud run in an inclusion.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
But you know, I do have interests outside of the
sasquatch thing, and some of them have been with me
since I was a little kid, and one of those
is I'm a huge fan of the Incredible Hulk. And
so I met a guy there randomly who is a
big like online Hulk fan personality that he and I
used to interact on Incredible Hulk forums back in the

(16:08):
early two thousands that I recognized as user name, and
I was like, what a small world, nerd.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Exactly, someone's got to do it. If Bobo's not here,
stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
You know. The other really overwhelming thing because I get
to see it all as a sort of like outsider,
especially like because our tables were next to each other,
and so you know, I'm I'm an earshot of a
lot of these things, and hearing the overwhelming amount of
gratitude that people express to you for the television series,
because you know what, we're so used to, at least
I'm so used to our sort of circles, which are

(16:56):
mostly other sort of like lifer SASQ researchers, and so
we're all super familiar with each other's work and what
we've done and our histories and all that. And then
there's a little bit of a broader circle of like
the Sasquatch enthusiast or proponent community, subculture, interested public, whatever
you want to call that. Those might be the people

(17:17):
we see at conferences, right, So they might not be
in the field very much, but they'll come to a
conference because they listen to podcasts and they read books,
and so they're familiar with a bit of a wider
circle there. And then something like this, which is mostly
the general public. Like they might not necessarily have any
interest at all, or they're not students of the Sasquatch phenomenon,

(17:39):
but because that show Finding Bigfoot was so huge for
so long, they all have some degree of familiarity with that,
whether they've seen an episode or two or seen all
of them. And so I heard hundreds of times on
Friday and Saturday people walk up to you and say
how much they love the show and thank you for
making that show and thanks for doing and thank you

(18:01):
for being here. And that was pretty remarkable to see
because I could tell in the conversations like, oh, I
didn't know you had a museum. Oh I didn't know
you had a podcast. So they're not necessarily like the
fans who who buy every record, so to speak. But
they're like, hey, I heard your hits on the radio
for years and I love them. If you had to
tally up those interactions, like, they're overwhelmingly positive and the

(18:23):
primary sentiment's gratitude.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Yeah, you know. That reminds me of an interaction I
had a couple of weeks ago at that organ gig
I did where it started out maybe not it was.
It ended up being a positive thing, and he wasn't
He wasn't a jerk to meet or anything. But one
of the things he said after speaking to he had
kind of flicked a little little attitude at me for
a few moments and and and I just spoke to
him about it, like, well, no, no, no, I don't

(18:46):
think they're paranormal. No, I think this is nonsense. And
you don't think they're they're associated with you? No, of
course you're not associated with UFOs. And then and then he's, well,
what do you think they are? And then I talked
to him a little bit and then he would ask
me a few other questions, and then the end of it,
he apologized to me about what about who he thought
I was. And the funny part to me is that

(19:09):
he thought I was some crazy person from watching the show,
And I don't know. I've seen our show a few times.
It seems to me that I might have come across
as perhaps amongst the most sane on the show.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I would agree with that. Again, that goes back to
that point of like, you know, I don't know what
figment of your imagination you're taking issue with, but it's
not me. And you know, I think a show like
that that addits you into soundbites. You know, you give
people a little bit of information and they fill in
all the blanks with the contents of their own minds.
And so if what they fill that in with is

(19:42):
mostly negative, well it says a hell of a lot
more about that person than it does about you. And
I'm sure it's not an easy position to be in.
So I'm sure those things get old or stressful or
you know, they wear on you. But I'm glad you're
able to break through with that person. But what I saw,
at least at Hawking Heels was like the vast majority

(20:02):
were positive and expressions of gratitude.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
It always is, honestly, it always is. And I'm very
very grateful to have brought joy to other people and
at the end of the day that that's what it's
really about. I mean, I've gone through all sorts of
different evolutions about my my intent or my goals for
lack of better term, although I don't I don't, I'm
not honestly very gold driven in general. For a while,

(20:28):
it was all about the Sasquatch, and it still largely is.
It's about what we can do for the animals, you know,
what we can do for them essentially, you know, I'm
sure back at young in my younger days, I was
much more cliff focused, you know, trying to get out
there and put my name out there and all that
sort of stuff and try to do good work and
be recognized for it. And it's not really about that
at all anymore. And it hasn't been about that for

(20:49):
a long long time. At some point it kind of
turned around to like what I can do for the animals,
you know, because when I look at my life, I mean,
I've had a crazy life, not as crazy as Bobo
perhaps in some ways, but it's just an astonishingly peculiar
life my path forward. Who could have foreseen this? Right?

(21:11):
But so it was about the animals because you know
I've said this before on stage, that or elsewhere on
podcasts back when I did those you know, other people's
podcasts occasionally, which I really don't do anymore. But I
wanted to give something back because I look at my
life it's like, well, this is ridiculous, and I have
Bigfoot to thank for it. I have the Sasquatches themselves

(21:32):
to thank for it, the animals. I mean, I met
Melissa on the show. You know, she showed up as
a production assistant, and the short version is like, who's that.
I eventually commissed her to marry me. You know, I
met my dog on the show, you know founder everybody knows,
tied to a tree by a leash ten inches long.
And you know I didn't find her Tyler Brown's founder.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
And Tyler couldn't convince her to marry him. You got
the dog.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
He had a dog at the time, though he didn't
want to be a two timer, you know, no cheating
on his other dog. And then of course I mentioned
Tyler Bounce and a great friend. I'll love and love
that man the rest of my life, you know, like
we'll be close friends forever until one of us checks
out further. You bobo, just go down a list. Most
of my closest friends have come to me through sasquatches,

(22:15):
so I felt like least I can do is give
something back to them, you know, And now that is
still very very much true. That's the point of the
museum to educate the public on sasquatches, you know, because
atrocities by humans are always born from ignorance, you know,
you know, genocides and things like that. It's always an
ignorance thing, right, And if we can educate the public
on sasquatches, perhaps we won't do damage to them once

(22:37):
discovery happens. But at the same time, there is another
part that it's easy to forget because I live in it.
I live a very peculiar life even now, you know,
my exist day to day existence is kind of odd
to me. But there's another part that I'm reminded of
when I do festivals like this, more so festivals and conferences,
although conferences this also happens as well, but at a

(22:59):
different flavor. Is when people come up, like there's this
one woman who came up to me this last gig
and said that, you know, she I think it took
her a moment to recognize me because I have a
beard now instead of a goatee. You know, I'm ten
years older, I'm ten pounds heavier probably, you know. And
she took it, took a minute, and I happen to
be looking at her at the time, and I could
see recognition slowly, you know, wash over her face, and

(23:24):
she goes, oh, and then she was astonished I guess
that I was there, and put her hands up to
her mouth, and she almost started crying because, as she
explained to me later momentarily later, that I saw her
through some of the hardest times for her entire life.
You're not me, but the finny Bigfoot show, you know,
so again Sasquatch to the rescue. Whether or not she

(23:45):
is an advocate for sasquatches being real animals or not,
or whatever her view on that doesn't really matter. The
point is that somehow or another, the show Sasquatches, the
Finding Bigfoot crew, we were there for her when when
she needed it most, you know, And that that's really meaningful.
That's hard to shrug off. So, I mean, Matt, you've

(24:07):
you've seen me through some of my worst days, you
know this, Like being a public figure is one of
the hardest things I've ever had to do in my life.
It's not comfortable for me. It's extraordinarily difficult. I don't
like attention. I don't like my opinion being you know,
put under the microscope and having you know, crap flicked
at it. It's very, very difficult for me. But stuff

(24:28):
like that is really touching and really wonderful to hear.
And even though my heart is still for the Sasquatches
because I'm not a people person, I'm a sasquatch person.
But to know the consequences of my actions had a
lot of positive results. You know, a lot of accidental

(24:48):
good came from whatever I've been doing these last you know,
fifty three years of my life. That's really nice, that's
really meaningful, and that's something that I think is perhaps
lost upon the haters, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
You know, Emily saw that interaction. I didn't see it.
She told me about it, and she was pretty moved
by it. And that's what got my brain thinking about
a few different things as we were leading up to
this conversation today, was thinking about, you know, the things
that affect me in that same way that like, it's
easy for me to always use music as an analogy
because music's pretty universal to everyone, and so of course

(25:22):
there's there are artists or bands or songwriters that I
love that I'm utterly devoted to, and I'll listen to
everything they put out, and I'll buy the records and
I'll go see them in concert. And of course there's
other things that are more like the occasional comfort food.
And so I think we're used to our sort of silos.
I think we get that way as sasquat researchers, where
we communicate with other people again that are like lifers

(25:44):
like us, that have shared experiences. And then the larger
concentric circle of the conferences, where all the people there
might not be dedicated researchers, but they're at least pretty
dedicated students, and so we share common language. And then
there's this much much larger circle of people that are like, like, hey, man,
I loved your show and you know it turned my
brain off for an hour from the worries that I had,

(26:07):
and so it's like, oh wow, their belief in this aspect.
It's not a prerequisite to enjoy a TV show. There's
plenty of shows. I mean, if I had to name one,
I don't know. I've seen episodes of like American Pickers
that were fun, and I'm not an antique enthusiast or anything.
It just turns my brain off for an hour and
I enjoy watching it. And so that's such a cool
thing I'm sure to have been a part of, despite

(26:29):
whatever slings and arrows come along with it. But to
them the extreme of like, you know, having someone who's
going through a difficult time and finds escape or solace
or both in that program and then has the opportunity
to tell you about it, because that's I would do
the same thing in that situation. If I encountered a
musician that I spent a lot of time listening to
or something, I just want to be a hey, thank

(26:50):
you for your work. It's really meant a lot to me,
and it's it's been helpful in a lot of ways
because most of us, you know, we just consume and
I'm just as guilty so many people's podcasts, music books,
et cetera. And you know, I'm never going to get
to tell them like, thank you for that, unfortunately, But
the fact that you know, you put yourself in a

(27:10):
situation and those people put themselves in a situation where
you can hear that and receive it, and they get
the opportunity to express that is all deeply meaningful. That's
another thing that comes to mind. When I see people
being cynical about events like that. It's like, well, they
just don't know what they're talking about. They don't realize, Like, no,
it's overwhelmingly positive for everyone involved. And there's you know,

(27:34):
cynicism is the smoke that rises from the ashes of
scorched dreams. There's very few statements I've heard truer than that,
you know.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, Yeah, it's so touchy, I mean, because I mean
I get choked up all the time, like I'm I'm
often on the virginiers, you know, like especially when I'm
talking to those people, and it's like, okay, hold it together, Cliff,
it's not cool to well, it is cool to cry,
but you know what I mean. So I get touched
all the time by people, and there's stories about the
way that we've affected them in various ways, you know.

(28:02):
And when I was leaving yesterday morning, Now, who was
that DJ guy something Wolf or whatever?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Oh, Brian Wolf. Yeah, super nice guy.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, super nice guy, super nice guy. Brian Wolf. He
has an online radio show. Maybe we can put his
link down to his his online deal in the show
notes or something. Super nice guy. And when I'm on
the way out the door, you know he's a DJ, right,
So I'm trying to get out the door because I've
got a flight to my ride's waiting outside, and he
starts talking to me. And I don't know if you
ever spoken to DJs or not. They talk for a

(28:31):
long time. That's literally their job. They can fill up
two hours with nobody else in the room with them, right.
So I'm thinking it's like, okay, well, I like the guy.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not bagging on him, et cetera.
I'm thinking, my ridess outside I should probably get wrong.
But he went on and on about how the show,
and I guess me in particular, he was saying nice
things to me about the education that I'm doing for

(28:54):
the for the next generation and how meaningful that is
and how kids are getting out side, and whether or
not they end up doing anything in the biological sciences
or not, then they will be taken a little bit
of this with them and their future education and their
future life and whatnot. And it's easy for me to
forget that. And again, I talk to you all the

(29:16):
time about this matter. It's easy for me to forget
that my opinions or my actions or what I enjoy
doing that I'm lucky enough to have other people pay
attention to. It does make a difference to people, because
I just see it sometimes as an asshle, you know,
because I live in a weird aquarium of my own making.
But yeah, yeah, so it's nice to hear, it's nice

(29:38):
to be reminded. And these festivals, more so than the conferences,
really bring that home because it's the civilians out there. Conferences,
I think there are certainly civilians there, but this is
mostly the you know, the Bigfoot army, so to speak.
It's mostly enlisted folks who are coming up and they
want to learn more about what I'm doing, and they
want to bounce ideas off of me and that sort

(29:59):
of stuff. These these festivals where anybody and everybody can come,
I get a lot, a lot of love and it's
really nice. It's really nice.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, there's there's a huge disparity once again between the
online world and the real world, and so one of
the things I find myself repeating the people over and
over and over again, and mostly I'm saying it as
a reminder to myself. But you know, people will reach
out and say like, oh, how do you deal with
this community and how do you deal with the vitriol
and trolls and all? And I'm like, you just don't

(30:30):
read the comments, or if you do, try to realize,
like once again, like the version of you that they're
attacking doesn't exist, Like they're attacking some fictional version of
you that they've dripped up. And so however evil that
version is, is a reflection of their fears and their
concerns and their guilt. You know, it's a projection of
their shadow more than it is a a reflection of me.

(30:55):
There's a great Carl youn quote like everything that irritates
is about others leads us to a deeper under stating
of ourselves. And again, I have to remind myself of
that all the time because it bothers me too. But
every time I step back into that real world with
you know, real strangers in real life, face to face,
like it's almost always very very positive.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Yeah, we do
have a wonderful community here at Bigfoot and Beyond, and
I'm lucky enough to have another community at the North
American Bigfoot Center'd be nice sometime if we can get

(31:35):
all of our advocates together and have a picnic, that'd
be a great good time. Have a big Foot ballgame.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
That'd be amazing. It was cool to hear how many
people came up to you that were like, oh, I
went to the museum last summer, or we went this spring,
or you know. To be in a part of Ohio
that's kind of I mean, it's pretty close to Columbus,
but it's not exactly like a metropolitan area by any
stretch of the imagination. But to have so many people
that I overheard say that they had taken the time
to go visit your place, I was like, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, yeah, like a small number of people a lot,
Well it's a small number, I guess compared to our
normal just visitors, but a lot of people. I don't know,
somewhere between a small number and a lot of people
specifically go to the West Coast because yeah, they've kind
of always thought they should do that. Someday, but now
that I have a museum, that's the catalyst. They wanted
to come out and check it out, which is fantastic,

(32:25):
which I'm thrilled about. And of course, once you go
out west, you kind of want to go out west
more because the West is if all of our listeners
are on the East coast and send you know, the
Midwest and stuff. You do love live in an area
that's beautiful, don't get me wrong, but the West is special.
And for me, I'm biased. I'm not going to lie
to you. I live here. It's really special because and

(32:47):
I got to see it through Melissa's eyes when she
moved out from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. There when she came out
for the first couple of times before we were before
we're married, we're just barely dating, and she was still
working on the show. As soon as we started seriously dating,
you know, she quit the show. We shouldn't want to
conflict the interests and stuff. But she was astonished how
big it was, just how big everything was, and that's

(33:09):
something you can't really grasp until you come out and
see it and walk among the mountains, you know. I mean,
from my living room, I can see Mount Hood and
what is that, like eleven thousand feet tall or more.
I don't remember. It's just big out here. So it's
encouraging to hear people say, yeah, we've always wanted to
go out west, but we came out just to see
your museum. And then we spend another week out here

(33:31):
with the family driving around and seeing stuff, and what
a great time they had, and of course they want
to come out again and perfect because the museum's never
the same thing twice. We changed things almost every two
or three weeks. We may not add like a whole
five or ten new displays or something like that, but
I know last week we changed the movie out in
our theater. We have a small theater, the Ape Canyon

(33:55):
Cabin Theater. You used to be called the Boggy Creek Theater,
but we changed the name because that cabin is now
the host. We have a little facade, like a fake
cabin facade in the museum that looks like, you know,
some sort of cabin in the woods sort of thing,
and inside we run movies. We run membership movies that
we make for our members at the museum, and so

(34:15):
we've had the Ape Canyon movie that I made. Did
we show that to our members? But Matt here I
don't think so, Well, no we didn't. I should do
that because well we talk about Ape Canyon in a minute.
But we just changed out because I had the Ape
Canyon movie playing in the theater since April when Mark
Marcel and the Mitchell men, like the Mitchell guys who

(34:37):
rediscovered the Mind Sight came into a special event at
the museum sometime in April, I remember, right, And so
we've had the same thing playing the entire time, but
just last week we changed it to a new video.
That's say, actually the video where was that? Again? I
got to ask you? Was it on the main episode
or the member stuff where I talked about the encounter
that Brandon Nico and I had out in the Blues
a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
That was a member's only episode of Very Recent one.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Oh really, Okay, Well that video is now playing in
the NABC. So again, I guess the point is we're
always changing stuff. So you know, come every summer if
you want out west and enjoy our spectacular coast out
here and drop by the NABC, because it's going to
be a different museum every time you come. In New
things will be going on all the time.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, it was definitely cool to hear a lot of
people that have been out there. Another thing I love
about events like that, it's like, that's when I get
to see a bunch of my friends. And not only
is it cool to see your friends, but to have
them all in the same place is a real treat,
you know, because when else is that going to happen.
You know, we're too old to throw like big birthday
parties where all our friends from across the country are

(35:40):
going to fly in or something like that. It's not
like when you're a kid where all your friends from
school get together for birthday gatherings or whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
No, we're not wealthy enough to go traveling around either
like that.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
So absolutely so getting to hang out with Lyle Blackburn
is always a blast. And you know, our good friend
Jeff Thomas, I've known Jeff for a lot of years.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Steve calls.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Steve Calls Absolutely. I've only gotten to hang out with
Steve in person one other time at a different event
with you at Squashed It Choose Its So that was
super fun.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Oh that was a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, it feels recent. But then I was trying to
do the math, and I was like, oh, yeah, that
was over six years ago.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
And that was a long time ago. I think, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Many good people. I always enjoy hanging out with wild
Bill from Mountain Monsters, because we should all hope to
have that much energy and gusto for life at his age.
I don't know exactly how old he is, but he's
older than me. It might have more energy than me already.
He's a firecracker for sure. Oh yeah, yeah, he's nuts.
I love that guy. He's a good friend. He calls

(36:38):
me but once every month or two or something, and
we'll chat for a long time. And sometimes it's hard
to understand what he's saying because it's on the phone,
you know, and he's got such a thick accent whatever
I joke and say that it sounds like he's gargling
banjo juice.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
But he's just what a lovely guy. I sincerely love
that man. And I told him straight to his face, like,
you're knowing that you're going to be at a job
makes going to work so much easier, just because I
just adore the man. He's so kind and so good
and so thankful to be where he is and just
like no nonsense, you know who raw sort of attitude.

(37:12):
He's just the best man. I love all those guys,
you know, I know, I know wild Bill the best,
and then probably you know Huckleberry, and then Buck. I
don't know Willie real well, but I like the guy
you know, and Jeff. Of course I don't see him
as often as the other ones, but I love all
those guys and have wild Bill drop by is what
a treat, What a treat.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
What it's fun. I'm a real early bird, like I
usually get up between like four thirty five o'clock every morning,
and so that no matter how late I stay up
when I travel, the same thing is true because my
clock just you know, my internal clock. And so every night,
no matter how late we stayed up there in Hawking Hills,
I would hear his voice in the lobby of the
hotel as I was trying to fall asleep at like midnight.

(37:52):
And then I'd get up at like five o'clock and
I'd peek out the little hotel room door and Bill
would be down there to the lobby, eaton breakfast. You know,
it's like last to go to bed, first up just
as much energy, no matter what time of the day,
and he's just great. We get a lot of emails
from listeners asking if we're going to have those guys on,

(38:12):
And I know that there might be some technical hurdles
to overcome, but I think it would be fun.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah hoo rah who rah Well Buck said he'd come on,
you know, And yeah, I think Buck's pretty proficient at computers.
I'm not so sure Alcoberry and Bill are, but I
think I think Buck would probably do it.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
So beyond just the other speakers that were there that
were friends of mine, like, I had a lot of
friends there that I did not expect to see. People
that attended BFRO expeditions of mine going all the way
back to like two thousand and nine, twenty ten. Some
of them I hadn't even seen in well over a decade.
I had no idea they were going to be there.
This guy from New York, a friend from Mississippi, you know,

(38:52):
a friend from used to be in North Carolina. Now
he's a little closer in West Virginia. But like, that
was super cool to see and so again really grateful
to be under the same roof as everybody and catch up.
And then I really had fun speaking because you know,
it's in that small portion of that theater, and I
like those size rooms where I can look you know,
any given person in the audience in the eye and

(39:13):
sort of it feels more like I'm having a conversation
with people rather than just you know, hollering into the void,
so to speak.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, yeah, it can be difficult. Yeah. A couple of
weeks ago, I had to do a job. Well, I
did a job out in Oregon and it was outside.
It was an outside festival kind of like this, and
it was at a big park and you know those
ample theaters they have at the park. I spoke on
stage there, so you know, the screen thing wouldn't have
worked really because it was kind of daylight still when
I started, but it was dark when it ended. And

(39:43):
it was a good It was a good group of
people and stuff, and everybody was really supportive and that good.
I basically did a Q and A with him for
an hour essentially because I didn't have a presentation that
could be seen because it was daylight at the end
of it all. Because it did get dark while I
was on stage, I couldn't see them, they couldn't see me.
It was just voices in the darkness talking to one another.
It's like a podcast, yeah, basically as a podcast is

(40:04):
a live podcast out there in oak Ridge, Oregon. Yeah,
but I do like that format where oh, hold on
a second, are you taking off sweety? Yeah? Okay, be safe.
Do me a favor, take that Eric, either fix a
flat or air compressor. Just to make me feel better
about it, all right, sweetie, Well be safe, have fun. Yeah,

(40:24):
I got your camera and such, all right, have fun,
go get them. Yeah, sorry about that. Moss is going
stormchasing today.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Oh nice?

Speaker 3 (40:30):
What was I saying? I wasn't listening.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
You're talking about being it on stage and it was
getting dark and yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
So these small theater things like that really I really
enjoy and because for me, when I'm doing a presentation, yeah,
I am trying to educate, but I mind you when
I'm educating. For most of my professional career, I was
a teacher of ten year olds. I taught fifth grade
for the most part. That's the gig. You know. You
have twenty five or thirty or forty in some school

(40:57):
districts ten year olds in a room with you, and
you got to keep their attention, you know. So I basically,
you know, my style is kind of like, you know,
when I'm presenting nowadays, it's basically teacher Cliff on stage,
and I kind of view it as a one hour
stand up routine, you know, like some sort of weird
bigfoot stand up comedy thing where it's not all jokes

(41:17):
and it's not all nonsense, but I do throw it.
I do throw in the humor and nonsense and odd
comments and you know that oblique observations and things like
that along the way to keep people catching the keep
people with me, because again, you need to grab their
attention and keep their attention. And that's the hard part
because everything in our modern culture is just so dazzling.

(41:44):
I guess the television shows are hard to compete with,
you know that the internet's hard to compete with. The
YouTube stuff with lights and like even look at the candy,
like super sour candy. Everything is just so intense that
that's what the younger generation, you know, needs to keep
focused essentially, And so I treat all of my presentations

(42:08):
live or not as such like I need to have
a certain amount of pizazz as well to grab and
keep attention. And when the rooms are too big, I
don't get the feedback I need because I know my
jokes all aren't that bad, you know, So when I
say something, I know I'm going to get like maybe

(42:29):
ten percent of the people laughing in the room. And
if I don't get that feedback on it, it's hard
to use that as a as a springboard to the
next stuff, you know, So I do need that level
of feedback. So these big rooms, I've spoken to rooms
of a lot of people. I would probably a couple
of thousand people easily easily a couple of outs two
or three thousand people or more maybe, and those rooms

(42:50):
it gets a little harder to get the feedback that
I need to make sure that I'm interacting with the
audience in the way that you just mentioned.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh yeah, And in a smaller room, when you can
maintain eye contact, you can kind of read if people
are following you or not if you need to elaborate,
And in rooms that size, I'll always say, well, like
rather than me cramming this into forty five minutes and
saving fifteen minutes for Q and A, if you have
a question while I have a slide on the screen,
just raise your hand because your if you have a question.

(43:19):
The odds are that other people in the audience have
the same question, and so you know, if I've overstepped
something or should have filled in a blank and I
missed it and I didn't, just let me know, and
this will be a conversation rather than me just talking
for however long straight. So those kind of rooms are
perfect for that because then everyone's sort of involved. You know,
it's almost like a campfire chat in that way. So

(43:40):
that part of it was really fun. You know, before
I had the book out, I used to just watch
all the speakers, but having to be at the booth,
I'm I'm like, oh, I wish I could catch so
and so's talk or so and so's presentation. So but
it was all positive feedback from the friends I had
that were sitting in there, that came over and we
tell me about people's presentation. So I'm sure audience really

(44:00):
enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I think so. I think so. And of course I
spoke last, so I didn't have a hard time limit.
You know. I spoke forbad an hour and then Jeff says, well,
we've got time in here if you want to do questions,
So I was allowed to do about fifteen twenty minutes
of questions, which I always enjoy as well because you
never know what people are asking. Very often I get
the same sort of questions, but every once in a

(44:22):
while when somebody throws you a curveball, which I enjoy.
There isn't an Ohio job that I do, and I
do several that I don't enjoy, and I do see
a lot of the same faces at all of them,
which is kind of nice. It's like Ohio's my conference
home away from home, which is kind of neat. I
tend to be out there a lot several times a year,

(44:42):
at least two three times a year or more. And
we'll see what next year holds. Stay tuned for more
Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right
back after these messages. Yeah, I just like that area
of the country and it's super squatchy too. And I

(45:02):
saw two pictures I wish I had them. I don't
have them, so I can't share them. But I saw
two photographs of purported sasquatches that might actually be legit
one one of the actually both of them. I asked
them to email them to me, and I give my
email address, but I'm not so sure they're going to
do it, because very often people just don't follow through,

(45:24):
you know. And I get it because there's a lot
of balls I drop as well. But one of them
was kind of one of these things where I was
taking pictures all day and then I saw it in
the background, which usually aren't anything at all, nine tech
ninety nine times out of one hundred, more than nine
out of ten times, they're just you know, blob squatches
or something like that. And I was saying, Okay, well,
I'll look at the picture, because I always do, and

(45:45):
this guy showed me, Oh wow, that looks like the
head and at least one shoulder of an ape looking
over the top of this rock thing. You know. It
reminded me of this really interesting picture off of an
Indian reservation in Washington that I that I've seen. Yeah,
it looked really good. And then the guy says, oh yeah,

(46:07):
and here's a picture from the same spot without that pick,
without the thing in it. I go ole fantastic. That
was gonna be my next question. I guess it was
taken a place called ash Cave, I believe is where
it was down on Hawking Hills, but really interesting hopefully
I can get a copy of that. I'd like to
you know, dig in a little bit more, do some
photoshop stuff with it and see if I can, you know,

(46:29):
if any other information could be squeezed out of it
by using various filters. But then there's another picture that
this photograph that I was shown on somebody's phone was
a photograph of a computer screen because they had that
certain look, that pixelization look, you know. And he claimed
that his cousin got the picture somewhere. But you know,

(46:50):
the story's pretty vague, so I don't know what it was,
of course, but to me, it looks like it was.
It was it looked like a sloth of some sort
from the back, and basically there was some brush, there
was a tree. It looked like the tree was probably about,
you know, thirty feet away or something like that, some

(47:11):
hardwood tree, and this sloth like thing was coming up
out of the brush against the tree, almost like I
was climbing the tree. And it had its left arm
extended upwards, and it didn't have claws or anything like
a sloth, but it was so similar to what the
back of a sloth looks like. That was my first thought.

(47:32):
But then I was looking at the type of trees
and plants, and go, no, that's probably here in Ohio.
It looks like everywhere else here in Ohio. It doesn't
look like, you know, Brazil to me. I've been to Brazil,
you know, so it doesn't look like that kind of forest.
To me, that kind of jungle looks like here in Ohio.
So maybe it was. But yeah, the left arm was
extended upwards, like I was going around the tree. I
saw shoulders. I can't remember what the right arm was doing,

(47:55):
but I saw shoulders. And then there was really no neck,
you know, like the head was on top of it,
just the back of the head and I couldn't see
really below the chest or anything. But really interesting picture,
you know, I'd love to I asked. I told the guy,
this is a photograph of a screen. If you can
ever send the original to me, that'd be really interesting.
I'd like to take it out to check it out.

(48:15):
We'll see if anything comes of that, though. But that's
an under neat thing, because I've said it lots and
lots of times. As soon as these things are publicly
acknowledged to be real animals, you know, Discovery for lack
of a better term. I think there's going to be
an avalanche of photographs and videos and information and footprints
and stuff that it's just going to We're going to
be buried under this stuff. And of course part of

(48:38):
the difficulty will be, you know, discerning what is real
and what's not, because that's just because the animals are
officially acknowledged, doesn't mean that the hoax sing will stop,
at least at first. I think eventually it'll slow down
dramatically because I mean, how many people now dress up
as deer and run across the road in front of car.
It's probably not that many, right, I imagine that'll probably

(49:01):
slowly change the hoaxing landscape as well. But yeah, I
think just a ton of cool things are going to
surface after these things aren't such a big deal, and
they're not a big deal now they're just regular animals.
You can see them, They're actually there, you can actually
see them. Actually, a guy I know saw one on
Saturday morning, at night in the morning out in Tullamook.

(49:23):
So that's one of the things I've got to do
this week is try to get out there see if
there's any sign left from what he saw on Oh,
very cool.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
That's awesome. Yeah, and that isn't of the big plus
of those events is that people show you things or
they at least share experiences or observations that they've had
that you just wouldn't see or hear otherwise. And a
lot of those can be really useful or enlightening or
good leads. They're just great events. And we did you know,
I know I brought up earlier. You know a lot
of people weren't aware of the podcast or things like that,

(49:53):
but there were a lot of listeners there and so
if you're listening now, thank you so much. I've met
people who had submitted voicemails before, so I was like, oh, yeah,
I remember that question. I remember that voice and people
that had submitted written questions. I saw several Bigfoot and
Beyond T shirts. People would come up, and you know,
I always ask people like, oh, what's your favorite episode?
And you know, so got a lot of good feedback there,

(50:13):
and a number of our beloved BFFs our members came out,
which was super cool to see and meet those people.
And because I'm pretty interactive with that community on a
daily basis, and so I recognized a lot of those names.
So it was so cool to meet you folks in person.
That was awesome, all of you who submitted questions voicemails
who are members. It's just great to again bring that

(50:34):
real world aspect to these what are otherwise sort of
online interaction. So that's super rewarding, a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Yeah, it was nice to meet Joehio. Yeah, the guy
we the Bubble and I kind of heckled for his name,
you know, a couple of weeks ago, dur in the
Q and A. He was out there, and of course
he was with our super fan Paul Costco. That was
really nice to see him at any event, of course,
but like Joehio is like when I met Joe Ohio
and it's like, well, he didn't care at all. He
thought he loved it, So that made me feel better

(51:03):
about it.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
I think most people feel they recognize the honor bestowed
upon them when they get ribbed by Bobo. I would
be worried if Bobo stopped busting my chops for various things,
so it's a sign of endearment from the bobes.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I heard one particular story that kind of stood out
in a weird way because you know, I don't hear
a lot of there's a lot of types of stories
I don't hear, just a lot of, and therefore I
don't think they're real, you know, like the paranormal stuff.
A lot of paranormal people think that people are not
sharing that most stories are paranormal, and I don't hear
them because everybody knows that I'm not interested in them,
and I don't think it's real. I don't think that's

(51:39):
the case because most people don't even recognize you when
they meet me. But I just think that most stories
are not paranormal, or most stories are not conspiratorial as well,
I think, which is where I'm going on this one,
because I did hear one story that I thought was
kind of interesting in that the man who told me
it wasn't making a big deal out of it, and
he wasn't like a paranoid conspiracy see person. He might

(52:01):
have been, but he if he did, if he was,
he hit it really well and it was just like, yeah,
this happened, and I thought that was cool, and that's
my bigfoot experience, and that was about it. And he
didn't make a big deal out of it, didn't seem
to want the attention, and the story more or less
goes like this, if I remember it correctly, He and
his brother who were out in the National forest somewhere.
I guess he had these cabins that you can rent.
I think it's Wayne National Forest. I remember right. He

(52:24):
and his brother are out there. They're going to go camping,
and they went up to these cabins because I think
they either knew the cabins were there and wanted to
rent one. I think that's what it was. They wanted
to rent one. I think you could rent one while
you're there. I don't think he had to make reservations,
but I could be wrong about that. That's a vague
detail in the story. I don't know. But anyway, he
and his brother went up there, and when they got

(52:44):
to the cabin area, there were three cars, three federal
cars like you know, forest service sort of style fed cars.
And he said, yeah, my brother's really outgoing. So he
went up and started talking to him, and after you know,
five or ten minutes of talking, he said, hey, come here, Comeric,
come check this out. And the guy went over to

(53:06):
the cars and they opened up the trunk and there
were three plaster footprint casts of sasquatches in the trunk,
along with a bag of hair and a bag of scat,
and and oh wow, that's crazy. Blah blah blah said yeah,
blah blah, what it is? What? And essentially, the three
fed guys. You know, I'm not saying they're an FBI
or cops. I think they're probably for a service, but

(53:28):
I don't know that that's a detail. I don't know.
They basically said, yeah, whatever, it's yeah, but anyway, we're
gonna leave now. So we had but we paid for
this cabin for the night. If you want to sleep there,
you're welcome to do it. It's been paid for already.
But we're gonna get going. And they did. They left,
and then that night I guess a sasquatch seemed to
have been nearby based on the sounds that this guy

(53:48):
was describing. I don't know if that's true or not,
but that's what he told me. I don't know if
any of that's true, but that's what he told me.
And I thought, oh, that's interesting, because I've heard a
lot of conspiracy things. I mean, I've sayed all the time,
I've heard I hear a Mount Saint Helen's you know,
black suv whisking the bodies away, conspiracy story once a
month or more. Oftentimes more than once a month, because

(54:09):
we're so close amount Saint Helens, And none of them
really even agree with one another. They always have details
that are wrong or not wrong, but I just don't
agree with one another, so I don't believe any of them.
But this guy made such a small deal out of
it that I thought it was interesting. It's like, oh,
I wonder if there's any truth to that, And I
always thought, well, you know, I still don't think that
there's any government conspiracy about Sasquatches. I think that some

(54:32):
individuals are interested and probably and I guess it kind
of goes back to my previous statement about the number
of photographs and films that will be you know, put
upon us after discovery days, so to speak. I bet
you a lot of these forest people are think it's
cool and are interested and probably have a file at
home or something of it. I just don't think it's

(54:53):
the government's business to deal with animals that they don't
know are real, you know. But I think a lot
of people that are pretty interested. So interesting story in unless.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Oh, I totally agree and I do think it is
an individual endeavor rather than an institutional endeavor, because if
we think about John Mainzinski, you know, he was looking
into reports because the Forest Service would receive reports very
often and they didn't have an official policy or an
official department, you know, but he would take those and
his boss was also interested, and so he'd go look

(55:25):
into him on his own time or you know, maybe
when his shift ended, you know, his proverbial shift or whatever.
And so it could be the same thing that you
just have one or two guys, maybe one interested guy
who convinces his two co workers, hey man, let's go
look into this. I've got some plaster. Let's go see
what we can find. And did people hear a story
like that? You see, the whole government knows about it,
and there's this massive conspiracy and suppression effort. It's like,

(55:46):
that's not what that means. I've met many people who
run the gamut of interest within the National Park Service
or within the National Forest Service, you know, where they're
very interested in the subject and they want to look
into things for themselves. To people who are total skeptics
to the point of being cynics, to people who just
don't care one way or the other. You know, it's
all on an individual basis.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah. Yeah, those the people who are they're all whatever
they're they're just purveyors of fear, and I think there's
enough fear in the world that you can safely ignore
those people as just being kind of crackpots. Don't worry
about them. You know they'll they'll let them be afraid
in their little world and do what they do. But
in the meantime, just enjoy yourself while you're here. You
only got a few decades left, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Indeed, Yeah, I think the overarching point of this is
that these things are fun and positive, and we hereby
impel all trolls to remain under.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Your bridges, under your rocks, you know, exactly, with the
with the slugs and roly polleis so exactly. So, I
don't know, Matt, I mean, we talked about the Ape
Canyon video. Should we share that with our members and
stuff on the on the thing or yeah, I think
we should put that out for the member section there. Again,

(56:57):
it's a great community Metaaladia, I met several of you
at the recent Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference. I know we
talked about that a little bit already on one of
the members episodes. We didn't bring it up here on
the main podcast, but thanks to those members who came out.
It's a it's a great community.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I think it's the best online Sasquatch oriented community that's
out there. Everyone's really positive.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
The museum members will fight you for that one. Yeah,
a pillow fight perhaps.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Well if they're all nice, then yeah, there, it would
only be a pillow fight or just like a nice off.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
I know, I know. No, you're the best.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
No, you're the best or the best.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
It's like those two gophers from Lening Tunes or something.
Oh you go first after you? No, I insist after you. Hey,
well you know, I just sent you the link for
the eight Canyon video, so you can post that for
a members. You might want to consider doing one of
those drop things, because I did a drop for the
museum members recently. It's a new Patreon feature where you

(57:56):
schedule the thing to be dropped at a certain time
and then everybody marks or calendar or whatever and they
can watch it together and do live posting with one
another to kind of get the community to know each
other a little bit better. So I just said that
for the first time because it's a new feature. I
just said that for the first time with the museum
members with the most recent video with all those knocks
and everything out of the Blues, and it went over

(58:17):
very very well. A lot of people showed up and
a lot of people commented, and it was apparently all
the feedback is good. So I'll continue to do that.
But maybe that's a good thing to do with that
eight Canning video as well.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah, it makes sense for videos like this, so we
shall drop it like it's hot.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
And you know, speaking to members stuff. We have something
in special in store for the members this week. There
is a man named David Bean. He's passed away now, unfortunately,
but he was a professional tracker. He worked for some
branch of the government I don't remember, but he was
very active in the Blue Mountain research back in the day.

(58:52):
And I was lucky enough to meet the man in person,
and I somehow finagled my way into having an interview
with him. I recorded the interview and I've transcribed it
as part of the archives at the museum. And since
Bobo wasn't here this week, we thought that maybe a
cool thing to do would be to kind of peek

(59:12):
inside the NABC archives for a moment and share is
something that nobody else gets to see or here. Essentially,
I don't even think I've shared this with the museum
members at this point, So this is kind of a
first time opportunity for people to hear me interviewing a
historical figure that is no longer with us, David Bean.
If you have purchased Michael Freeman's book, which I think

(59:35):
everybody should, it's very, very educational. It gives a lot
of insight into everything that was going on in the Blues,
not just Paul Freeman, of course, but the other people
as well, Addington David Bean. There's a photograph of me
and David Bean on his porch, either right before right
after the interview. I don't remember. This interview is from
a number of years ago. I think it's about forty

(59:57):
five or fifty minutes long. David Bean was a wealth
of information and he's passed now. So again, there are
no interviews of David Bean. This may be the only
one in the entire world for all I know. But
talking about insight into what was going on there in
the Blues, how he met West Summerlin, some thoughts on
Paul and his research casts and footprints that David Bean

(01:00:19):
had either poured himself or seen in the ground. And again,
a professional tracker who was hired to track people, and
this man saw stuff in the ground that he simply
cannot explain away if these animals are not real, but
luckily they are, he doesn't have anything to explain away.
Bigfoots are actually there. So that's a special treat we
have this week for the podcast members on Beyond, Bigfoot
and Beyond. If you would like to be a member,

(01:00:41):
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(01:01:02):
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thanks Matt for sitting in for Bobo. You have a
big shoes to fill as you know whatever, dude Jeezu
yep yeah, nerd Well, hopefully Boba will be back with

(01:01:24):
us next time. Nothing personal, map, but hopefully. I know
our audience seems to like Bobo quite a bit. He
is amongst my favorite people on this podcast, so hopefully
he'll be back next time. And I don't know, what
would you like to do Bobo's honors this time?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
All right, folks, thanks for listening this week.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
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