September 30, 2024 • 53 mins
Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay speak with Irwing Aguilara, a Texas resident who recently saw a sasquatch at very close range while on a road trip with his son in the Gila Mountains of New Mexico!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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Speaker 3 (00:15):
And me just.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Listening, oh watching lim always keep its watching.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Boobo Fay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello Cliff, helloo man? Hello Bobo? How you doing man?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
There seems to be some sort of lag on your side?
Am I guessing that correctly?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Or no, you're lugging? Now you're forward, You're you're jumping time.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Okay, I'm playing ahead of the beat as musicians say,
all right, fair enough, good enough, I'm good man. How
are you doing everything? Good?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah? I got out out to Bluff and checked it
outut there. I was out there with Polly.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
We went down and he got We went all the
way to the film site this time, so that was cool.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
We were the only people that we saw out there.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Good, anything new going on out there?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And well, they dumped a ton of money into the
roads out there, and like the go roads, like they've
been patching it and like just clearing it. And then
when you have twelve and twelve totven thirteen out there,
they've made those like they're not paying, but they're just
as beautiful.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
As they could either. They've widened them, I mean they's
it's really nicely, and they've opened gates they never open before,
and cleared roads hadn't closed.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
They haven't cleared in like twenty years, ten fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Really really any important roads that I'd be interested in
knowing about. Okay, keep those on the DL Okay, fair enough, yet.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'll tell you I'll tell you off.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
The tales of woe and destruction were highly exaggerated, like
it was not that bad at all, Like what I mean,
I actually I was hearing like Moonscape, and when you're
down the film site, you can't even see where it came,
how close it came.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
It's just looks the same.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Uh, it was cleoling up the platform still built that
survived the winner.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I guess maybe it's a new one. But they got
the platform there, and they got the like the blue
little flags where Roger.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Was filming from like at certain points of the where,
and then they got the whatever pink red flags out
for where Patty was walking, so you can actually see
where Roger was he stopping film locations and where Patty
was at those certain times.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Very good and uh and Laired Meadow is all good
as well. That I heard it got pretty close to
that side, am I am? I correct?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Or now yeah it did, I mean, but it was,
I mean it was.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I mean, we didn't look out through the drone, like,
we didn't have a drone, so I don't know what
it looked like. You know how they can get your
view shot that you could see howard any hundreds of
yards up or whatever you can see or maybe some
places you can only see that forty feet but where.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Places are just visible from the road. It wasn't that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
There was a few chunks were you know, burnt out,
but Laird looked pretty good overall. And uh yeah, like
they opened up some roads up there, and it was
just it was I wish we had more time to
the other we had to get back.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
That kind of blew. But we're going to go back
out there in a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And we got some will, we found some a drawn,
we got a truckload of firewood. So that was kind
of like it was a farwood mission with some squatching involved.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Sure, And so you went in the go road and
went out the fish Lake road, or did you go
back out the go road as well.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
We just we were in a hurriss who went out
that go road?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Very good, very good. Yeah, well you know we probably would.
I don't want to take too much time hanging out.
Nothing personal, but I'm really interested in bluff of course.
But we have a fantastic guest today, so maybe we
should hop to that. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I think that'd be fantastic. Okay, No, I want to
talk to this guy.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, Bobba, we have a fantastic guest today. I briefly
spoke to this gentleman on the phone. I didn't hear
a lot of his encounter because I want to hear
it for the first time on the air with you.
Of Course, I know the basics. I think a lot
of us know the basics, of course, because Moneymaker Matt
Moneymaker interviewed this this extensively and he was kind enough
to give us access to the witness. So thank you, Matt,
(04:04):
really really appreciate that. Good friend. And well, let's just
jump into it. So our guest today is Irving Aguilera.
Irving and his son saw a sasquatch. But god, don't, don't,
let's not listen to me. Let's listen to Irving. Thank
you so much for coming on Bigfoot and beyond Irving.
We appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Hi, how's it going good?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Good? Thanks for coming so Irving.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You know again I mentioned just a second ago. I
don't know a whole lot about your sightings. I know
the basics, but let's just do this. You live in Texas.
This was on some sort of trip to California. Set
it up for us. Tell us what you were doing
in the wilds of New Mexico right or it was
at Arizona. It was New Mexico.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Right in New Mexico. Yeah, Gila National Forest. So I
live in Texas. My zip code seven eight five five
two zip code you know, Hardingen, McCallum, Brownsville area, And
this is about one thousand and fifty miles from where
my sighting occurred. I was supposed to go to California.
I've been going to California for the last three years,
(05:05):
to Sequoya. We'll been taking my kids and stuff, you know.
I mean, it's a beautiful part of the country. So
I went a week early because I got a call
we had to pick up a rescue dog. My wife
and I had rescued some dogs, you know, a few
years ago, and the family couldn't take care of it anymore.
So I was like, you know what, I'll take off.
(05:26):
It was literally overnight. I was like, I'll take off
me and Easton is my son. I was like, well,
let's just go tomorrow. So we left on June twenty
ninth for the dog. So I was like, well, I'm
not coming back next week, so it might as well
go off roading. I have. Me and my son weren't
off roading, you know, we here, we go on the
beach and stuff. So I have a twenty twenty four
(05:48):
f one fifty Raptor with the thirty five inch tires,
and this is going to come into play because of
the height of my vehicle. That way, you know, anybody
can google how high is a f one fifty Raptor.
So we left on June twenty ninth in the morning.
We made it to Las Cruces, New Mexico, just outside
of a passo and we stayed there for the night.
(06:11):
And my son has this app called the on X Road,
so I was like, well, find you know, there's mountains here,
find some find the trail and we can just go,
you know, off roading in the mountains or whatever. So
he happened to click on this trail. It's called the
Chloride Trail, and it's out of Chloride, New Mexico. It's
(06:34):
about maybe forty miles west of a Truth or Consequences
in New Mexico. That would be the starting point. So
on June thirtieth, you know, we did little rounds around
there and we headed for the trail. I got to
the beginning of the trail at about fourteen thirty, two
thirty PM. I was in the army, so I might
(06:56):
say twenty one thirty or something. So we started trail
on fourteen thirty. And it's pretty rough trail, maybe averages
five to seven miles per hour on the truck because
just big rocks and stuff, and we're just cruising by,
not taking I'm not from there, so I didn't know
it was gonna take us this long to finish the trail.
So we saw two bear, a cinnamon colored and a black,
(07:21):
and they were within one hundred yards of each other.
I have pictures of that, I think I said them
to Matt. So we saw two bears, We saw elk,
plenty of elk gear squirrels pretty much. I guess every
will animal you can see in New Mexico. We saw it.
We saw only one vehicle all day. It was It
(07:41):
was a Toyota truck, the Tacoma and then had a
camping tent on top. And now we saw within three
miles of the beginning of the trail, mile seventy of
the trail. About miles seventy is where I saw the Sasquatch.
It was about twenty one thirty that they had been drizzling, right,
(08:02):
It was about twenty one thirty. It had just got dark.
It was still some you know, in the background, you
can still see something. And my four fog lights were on.
My headlights were on. And if you go to the cordence,
I gave y'all, if we're coming from the north east
and there's a change in elevation where you see a
(08:22):
bunch of trees that cover the trail on the satellite,
there's a change of elevation, So I assume after that,
compose myself that it hadn't seen us. We came through
the elevation change and we moved a a couple hundred
you know, meters, and there's a tree, a big whatever
grows in New Mexico on the Rosa Pine maybe I
(08:45):
don't know the actual pines species there, and behind the
tree about twenty five feet on the side of the
road maybe. Like I told you, if my kid had
a mop out the window, he could have slapped it.
That's how close it was. Was this giant figure, you
(09:08):
know figure it was. I mean, the proportion of this
was perfect. It wasn't like when you see an NBA
player that you know, I've been to some Santonio Spurs game.
You see the other lanky you know, they're they're not
great proportion. You know, this thing was exact proportion. It was.
The proportion of this thing was this thing can flip
(09:28):
my truck over like that's how massive it was. Back
to my truck. My truck is six and a half
feet from the floor to the roof of my truck.
And then there was about a fourteen eighteen inch drop
on the side of the trail where it was slightly
like its legs were slightly bent. And then it was
(09:48):
about maybe a foot over my truck, so maybe eight feet.
You know, I would assume this thing to be and
my son looks at me, We're going maybe three to
five miles an hour, So if you get in your vehicle,
you know, three to five miles that's how long you
have to see it, which is a long time, you know,
maybe four or five six seconds. You know, it wasn't quick.
(10:13):
It wasn't a quick sighting where like, oh, who was that?
My son turns around and look at me, and it
was just like fear like he's like did you see
that that? And in my mind I'm still trying to comprehend, like,
you know, did I like did I really see this?
And I was like, yes, I saw that, and you know,
(10:33):
like I saw it like clear, I saw it. Its
mouth clear, it's it's it's nose, and it's The biceps
on this thing were about a little bit bigger than
my thigh, which I'm almost five eleven, two hundred and
fifty pounds guy. I mean, just the sheer mass of
(10:55):
this thing was intimidating. You know, truly, I'm pretty sure
if you want to fit my truck over it could
have that's how huge this thing was. And its hair
was it was long haired, about maybe six inches each.
You know, the hairline it was tangled so tangled that
kind of like dreadlocks, and then it was dark colored
(11:17):
black with gray like I guess, you know, like a
grain when your dog starts getting the gray hairs on
the on the bottom of its chin and stuff. The
dreadlock looking hair was was already turning gray, like I
could see that its face was like, because its face
really made an impression on me, like there's no way
(11:39):
that you could say, you know, this was like a human,
but it had human features. Like I always hear people, oh,
why don't they just kill one. I was like, I
don't think you could shoot it, and I think it
looks too human for you to be. You know, I'm
gonna kill this thing just to show people. Except the
sheer size, you know, we don't see a human, you know,
eight ten foot tall. You know, it looks like a
(12:01):
a bench, you know, a thousand pounds. So the face
was it wasn't very dark the face. It wasn't black
like the like a gorilla. I just compared to a gorilla.
It wasn't black like a gorilla. It was like, well,
I'm a Mexican American, so like a Hispanic when we
get burnt, like really burnt, you know, over years, we
(12:24):
that that color like we're you know, not a black tone,
but not a light not a brown tone kind of
in between. That was the skin. And the skin was
like when you see an old woman or an old
man that's you know, one hundred years old that has
worked out in the like in the field and the
ranching farming, and they have that leathery, tough skin. That's
(12:46):
exactly what the what the skin looked like, like leathery
texture like wife kids. So I compare stuff to like Disney,
like a cocoa. The grandmother that that she has that
leathery type looking skin. That's what his skin looked like
from the Disney movie. And the mouth was wide, it
(13:08):
wasn't protruding like a gorilla where or a chimp. You
know how the eyes and the nose are kind of
flat on the chimp or a gorilla and then the
mouth kind of protrudes out like on a profile picture. Yeah,
the mouth was kind of flush, like a flush like
a human ish you know, humanoid flush with its face.
It wasn't a protruding like if you took a profile,
(13:29):
it wouldn't have been protruding. It was just massive and
like it didn't have a human Oh it's smiling or
it's angry or you know, like human emotional look. It
just had like a you know, it's just an animal,
a creature.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
After these messages, my son and I continue, we're like
and we talked about it. It was like it was a bush.
It had to be a bush, like what you know,
Like Cliff didn't hear the story that much, but I
told him. I told him three things. I was like, Cliff,
if you had told me I saw gorilla, my mind
(14:08):
would have said yes. If you told me that I
saw Neanderthal caveman that was just trapped here in time,
I would have said yes. If you told me I
saw a Native American shaman with a big buffalo skin
and stuff ghost from the past, I would have said yes.
That's how screwed up my mind was at the time,
like of like my mind just trying to comprehend, you know.
(14:30):
And so Mike, you know, we left, we went to
the Grand Canyon, then went towards Utah and we were
just talking about it. My son and I was like,
you know, it could be a tree of the stump
because as you know, there's fires there. So we did
see blacked out stumps, you know, from the forest fires,
(14:51):
as you see anywhere else in you know, in the
out west. So we went, we picked up the dog,
and we came back. That was June thirtieth, the siding.
So I came back right. I didn't tell anybody but
my wife and one of my cousins because it sounds crazy.
I mean, I've known about the Sasquatch Bigfoot, you know,
I've followed it for years. You know, I even had
(15:14):
the little Bigfoot monster truck, you know, when I was
a kid. That was probably how everybody gets you know,
my age would get you know, what's the big Foot?
You know, all the monster truck, you know. So we
talked about my son. I told my wife my wife
would leave me, and my son was like, I think
that's what I was like. But I'm not saying that's
what it is. You know, I was telling my wife.
(15:34):
I'm not saying it was I'm saying I'm just telling
you what I saw. I'm not telling you that it
was this or that. And we couldn't I just couldn't
sleep for about less than two weeks. I was like, man,
I was like, what if it was a stump and
I'm just imagining stuff. So on on July nineteenth, my
son and I was, let's go, we gotta go. There
(15:55):
has to be a stump there. So we went. We
we woke up that mom. I was like, let's go.
We left, We packed some stuff. I was like, we're leaving,
and I can't take it anymore, not knowing there's a
stump there. Before I tell anybody, you know, I don't
want to tell somebody and then they go there at all,
there's a stump. So we just went out of the
blue again, my said I. On July nineteenth, we went,
and it took us the same about a day to
(16:17):
get there. And on July twentieth, we as soon as
we were crossing the tree line again, then I'll tell
you that had the elevation change. My heart was like
I kind of I felt more confused because in my
mind there was always that it was a stump. You know,
it was a stump, or it was a giant bush.
And so I had already convinced myself that, you know,
(16:38):
I guess for you don't want to be disappointed. So
I was like, you know, it's a stump. Probably let's
let's just go. We'll do some other trails. And as
soon as we came up with that elevation change and I
saw there's only one tree in that meddle. There's only
one tree, and it was there standing next to the tree,
and that confirmed it for me. I was like, there's
no way like. So we went to the exact spot
(16:59):
where we saw it. We walked around and that's where
I found what looks like a print. And I wear
a size eleven shoe, so that's a size eleven, hey, dude,
on that picture. And I mean to me, it looks
like you can see some toe imprints, you know, on there,
and it's way bigger than my shoe. And then what
are the chances that I pull up to a spot
(17:20):
that there would be a footprint, you know, out of
everywhere in the United States. I show up to the
spot and there's what appears to be a footprint.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
But moneymakers posted all the photos you sent him and
the map detailing where you were and all that.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
You can shit it all.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, and where the print is, there's other prints because
it had been drizzling that day all day, so there's
other prints. Just there's no bear prints there. The bear.
We did see the bear maybe like straight air as
the crow flies. About five miles away, we saw a giant,
you know, two black bears, one black ones and them
(17:55):
in the bigger bears. And then there is a game
trail where the sighting was. There is a game trail
that goes the meadows, maybe fifty acres if you can
see it on the picture, about fifty acre meadow. And
that's when I saw that. I when I made my
little it was trying. It was crossing the meadow from
(18:17):
west to east, and we came over the elevation changed
on the northeast side, and it had nowhere to go,
you know, so I think it just pretending to be
a stump. Its arms were bent, I mean, and its
knees were bent. Its arms were at least as long
as its knees where its hands worth. And its hands
(18:38):
were kind of curled up so I couldn't see the
nails or fingers, and it stood perfectly still, like a statue,
and it kind of looked down and the hair was
covered covering its eyes, you know, like a like a
one of those shaggy dogs. The hair was covering its eyes.
So I could see its nose. Its nose was like
a huge, perfect triangle. But it wasn't like a gorilla
(19:02):
where it has the nostrils giant like up like it
pretty much when you see a gorilla, to me, it
looks like it has a circular nostril pointing at you.
It wasn't that type of nose. It was a giant triangle,
and the nose would be between a human and a
like a gorilla, like like if you could do halfway
in between. That's what the nose look like. And like
(19:22):
I said, it was leathery skinned, like leathery looking, and
it's chest. That's the first thing. My son is like,
did you see the size of his chest? He said,
he looked like two football players put together. And this
thing was probably still bigger, you know, And he compares
it he plays basketball football, so he's like, and it
(19:43):
was probably, you know, almost as tall as our basketball hoop,
which our basketball hoop is about nine foot at home,
you know, it's not a ten foot like NBA. And
that's what he compares it to the size. And I
was like, you know what, it makes sense because there
there is about a fourteen inch drop from the road
to where it would have been standing plus the height
of my truck six and a half feet, you know,
(20:04):
that puts it around there maybe eight foot, and it
had I mean just what stuck with me was the mouth,
the nose, and the hair. If you could if you
get your long haired dog and it gets all mad
at furst, that's what it looked like. There's very coarse
and the grayish could have been the grayish could have
been mud or something on it, but it definitely had
(20:25):
a grayish color on top of most of the black hair.
And then I went back. Once I confirmed, I went
back the next weekend to show my wife. I was like,
just so you know that I'm not crazy, like we're going.
So we went back July twenty eighth with my wife.
I was like, right here, this is where we saw it.
You see there's nothing around. You're my waitness, there's no
stumps or anything.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Your wife drove a thousand miles to go see that
with you.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Yes, it was profound.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I mean, yeah, that's yes.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Correct three times. So it went three times the first time.
I after the second time that I confirmed, I told everyone,
I was like, I'm gonna tell everybody. There's no I
was like you want a fact check me. This is
the coordinate. I went there, I stood there that that's
the coordinate. You know, go look at it, and you're
gonna see the game trail. You can see you know,
you might find some prints there. There's a game trail,
there's how to get there. You can see the pine
(21:17):
forest on both sides of the mountains. The elevation was
a little over seven thousand feet. You know, because I
know a lot of I thought, like I guess most
people probably assume that New Mexico's just desert dry. You know,
there's streams, there's lakes up there, there's pine forest on
both you know, above probably six thousand elevation you get
(21:38):
into the pine forest. This was at seven thousand elevation.
The temperature was probably you know, seventy five degrees and
one hundred down in last cruises.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So did you check out did you have any of
those ranches where you hit the pavement right there where
the trail is on the pavement, did you knock any
of those doors those ranchers right there o.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Those that one that you see about out maybe a
couple of miles, a few miles to the what is
it southwest it's just like a horsemark. There's the horses
out there with a barn and you can't go in
there because they're fenced off.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
There's a nice lake there too.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I mean you can see why that would be in
that area because there's that that's like the biggest water
source for miles and miles and miles around.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yes, and there is cattle. There's cows out there, you know,
the with the grazing, the BLM grazing and stuff. There
is cattle. So because I was like, how could something
live like this? You know if it weighs fifteen hundred
pounds or you know there's a bull walking byway, you know,
weighing eighteen hundred pounds even off the grass up there.
So I mean, I'm sure it can. Something can survive
(22:43):
that big.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
So it was just standing or was it squatting or
somewhere in between ten feet from the trail it was.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It was just the knees were slightly bent and its
arms were curled. His hands were crawled and his arms
were curled. So I don't know if it was trying
to couldsel seem a little bit smaller, then it stood
perfectly still, like not a wing, not a its mouth, movement, nothing,
just completely still, just slightly arched, you know, the legs
(23:13):
and the arms, and just like if I caught it
midstride and it's like, oh snap, you know, somebody's gonna
see me. And sure, I mean, the area looks like
I caught it in the middle trying to cross, because
the forest on the east side is maybe what thirty
meters so it was almost home free. And a lot
(23:36):
of things happened for me to be there at that time.
I took a wrong turn on the trail and I
had to back up, and so if I hadn't taken
that wrong turn, you know, the only wrong turn I
took all day happened about thirty minutes before. So I
backed up. I was like, are you sure, Yeah, let's
go this way. So, I mean, it was just you know,
(23:58):
a super duper co wincidents, or you know, it was
just fate that I'd seen this thing.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And one of the photographs that you sent it looks
like there's a blue bronco in it in the meadow.
Is that where the animal was standing.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yes, on the left side. That's the second time we
went back, my son and I to confirm it was
standing on the left side of the picture, right on
the Literally, like I said, my kid could have had
a mop and swung it at him out the window
and probably would have hit him.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So the sasquatch would have been between the car and
where you took the photograph, just maybe six or eight
feet off to.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
The side, yes, about right, So the it's facing in
that picture. The vehicle's facing north west, so it would
have been about ten fifteen feet or less on the
left side of the vehicle. I sent a little video.
You can see I panned from left to right, and
you can see on the east side the forest is
really close to the road, maybe like thirty meters to
(24:52):
you know from the road, so I assume it was
getting across we came over, the elevation changed and it,
you know, I would just try to act like a statue,
like a stump, like a burnout stump or something.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Was the mouth closed the entire time?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Yes, the mouth was closed.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
What were the lips like? Where thin or what were
they like?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Were thin? They weren't? They weren't big or anything. It
was just a thin I tried to draw it because
Matt I didn't. I didn't really tell the BFR until
a couple of weeks ago, because that was still like
it's crazy, who's gonna believe me? You know, like there
I find like I was telling you, I find myself
like babbling on, like trying to you know, this is
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really happening, because I know it sounds crazy, So I
didn't report it. Then Matt said, we'll try to draw it,
you know, and then each dry and you should get
a little bit better. So that's why I tried to
draw it with the mouth kind of straight, just straight
across not they didn't have it Like I said, it didn't.
It didn't show any human emotions that you can tell
when someone scared or upset or you know, laughing. It didn't.
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It didn't have any emotions on the face. It was
just you know, straight across lips kind of thin and
just lathery. The lips were color as the as the
face was.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do you think the mouth was relatively wide compared to
a human or was it very human? Like?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Yes, the mouth was about I mean huge, like the
like the width of a regular paper. Okay, you know
what is that eight inches?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, like eight and a half inches or something.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
It kind of reminded me of where the wild things
are of the book. Though the mouth on those things
where it's kind of wide, you know, they're that, that's
what the mouth reminded me of. And kind of the
feet the no really no emotion, just an animal, a creature.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages. Now, you
said it was drizzling, so where your windows up or down?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
My windows were up, and I did not have tint
on that window. It was it was a pure no
tint and it was drizzy. It's like that mist like
a he missed it was. It was that like a
deck type of drizzle. But like I said, my truck
has four fog lights, two you know, the two high beams,
and I mean you can go outside pitch dark or
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you know, and you can see what's standing next to
your vehicle clearly. And I see, you know, I saw
it maybe five seconds like one one thousand two, one
thousand three, one thousand four, one thousand five, one thousand
man past. I mean that's plenty of time. That's how
long the siding was.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And you didn't see it before that because you came
over an embankment.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Yes, where the trees are on the northeast side, there's
an elevation change, and I think it must have been
crossing and when we got too close to the tree,
it just stopped. And I've course seen it for the
first thirty feet. I was, you know, my mind doesn't copper.
It's just a stump. There's there is burnt out like
up there snow Lake, there was a fire. I think
it's called Snow Lake, New Mexico. The pretty much on
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the trail there is a fire. There was a fire
while we were there. So we had seen you know,
burnt out stumps and with regrowth on them, so they
do kind of look like some of your mind tries
to make something out of them. So I was seeing it.
I saw as they got closer, maybe to the you know,
ten feet from the front right headlight, I noticed it
and I followed it all till it was next to
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my son. He saw it. He was pale, like he's
just seen a ghost.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That You commented that you were mostly struck by the face,
that's where your attention was really focused. But your son
saw some more details of the body. Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yes, he's he right away. He said it was you know,
bigger than two you know football guys with he he
compared it to somebody wearing shoulder pads and wearing like
a big, hairy outfit on top of it. That's how
why the the shoulders were very like broad So that's
what he cares it to. He says, it looked like
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a giant linebacker wearing shoulder pads and then just covered
in hair.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Did he either say or did you notice if it
was uniformly covered in hair or were there thicker or
perhaps thinner patches on the body at someplace?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
The chest and everything was covered in hair. It wasn't
like a champ or something that you see, you know,
it has nipples or anything. It was just hair, complete hair,
except all the way it was even covering most of
the eyes. The hair, and it was just so tangled
the hair, you know that they kind of started looking
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like dreadlocks that type of hair or the mop hair,
the hairs on your mop. That's the closest thing that
I could compare it to. And about the length of
maybe six inches, you know, the hair length. And my
son noted just the chest and the biceps were enormous,
I mean talking just enormous I don't even know there's
a word to describe it. I got scared because I
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had my kid there, you know, ten feet from this thing,
and I was like, in my mind, I was like this,
think lift up my truck. That's how strong it appeared
to myself. So I was like, oh, we got to
get out of here, you know, Like I don't you know,
I mean thinking mag even if you had a you know,
thirty out six, I don't think that's taking this thing down.
Like the people say they're going to shoot one man.
(30:15):
You good luck to you. That thing is not falling
with you know, five whatever biggest rounds you can use.
It is massive.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Could you guess the way the weight.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I have a cow that's about fourteen hundred pounds, so
about that maybe one thousand pounds easily, it's about it. It
was about as big as my one of my bulls
out there. It's just ginormous.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You mentioned how the hair was like dreadlocks, but just
to be clear, was that only on the head and
shoulder areas or was that throughout the body?
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Yeah, the like the chest, the chest and the for sure,
the from the top of the and the top of
the head wasn't like what you think, you know, the
like Matt showed me the little garden statute, that's the
idea that I had in my mind. I'm not sure
a lot of people have in their mind that it
has like a gorilla cone shape on top. You know,
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it did not have that. It It had a roundish
head on top, very wide and just matted with hair
that they looked like dreadlocks, long enough to cover most
of the eyes and most of the face and then
the shoulders and the neck and e was just matted hair. Oh,
I was telling the producer, I was in the army,
you know, I was a Medican Army back in the
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early two thousands, and like a like a gilly suit,
but not that you can clearly tell. It was not
a gilly suit. That's how the hair appeared, just kind
of matted, and the legs were not matted. It was shorter,
you know, it would have been shorter hair for sure.
The chest, the neck area and the hair was matted.
The head.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Did you see cheated it all?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
No? No, The lips were perfectly straight, like no teeth
and not even you know how we have kind of
like a like the way the joker exaggerates the up
on the mouth curved. It was not like it was
just straight, like, you know, just straight, not and not protruding,
kind of flat faced what I felt. The only way
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I can describe how I felt. I was, I just
I was a Medican Army and I spent two years
in Iraq in the five and then in eight right
and U. So in the army, they train you for,
you know, for gun fighting. So you know, since you're
basic training, they trade you for the gun fight and
the gun fight and the gun fight. So you go
out there and you're like, I'm ready, I'm ready. The
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first time I heard like an automatic weapon coming back
at me, nothing in this world could have prepared me
for that, And that exact thing is what I had
when I saw this thing. The I thought I knew
what it would look like. You know, I thought that
I was prepared to see something like this, and I
was not. Totally. No amount of preparation could have prepared
me for this, for this visual.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, I was really curious when I when I read
the report, because you know, I've heard many witnesses described
that feeling, and then we all kind of know how
it feels to have to get out of the car
in the dark, whether that's the cleared obstruction out of
the road or something. And so it sounds like you
had to get out of the truck just a little
waist down the road right.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yes, for the if you see on the if you
see on the map, maybe a couple hundred meters there's
a gate, and you know, probably not west there's gates,
but you open them and you have to close them
because you know people's cattle will get out. And my
son had to be getting off all day, you know,
open the gate. He was like, I'm not getting off that,
I'll drive. So I got off, and I mean I
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did have an uneasy feeling, you know, like something was looking,
you know, looking at me. There. I got off. I
opened that gate, he drove past it, closed it, and
you know, we never looked back at the time. It
was that bad. For the whole two weeks after, I
was like, I should have gone back. I should have
gone back. But at the thing, I'm just thinking, you know,
I have my kid with me, what if this thing
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is aggressive, you know, because you know I seen I've
seen chimpanzee documentaries and they're aggressive. So beyond that, that
whole like Mike Tyson's famous line, right, everybody has a
plan until you get punched in the face, And that's
exactly what happened to me. I was like, yeah, if
I ever see one man, I'll just take out my
phone and you know the classic why didn't you get
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a better picture or why didn't you do this? I
was like, that's a lot easier said than when you're
there face to face.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Was it making a fist?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Was it like when I was ready to fight, Like
it was kind of like you said, his arms were
kind of crowl this.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Yeah, the fingers were prolled up so I couldn't see
his fingers just prolled up, and you know it was
like I said, just shaggy everywhere.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Did you get the sensors kind of like blowing up?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Like my sense like he was trying to like, Oh
I messed up, don't you know? Don't stop and look
at me. That's the sense I got kind of a
little like I said, maybe you know the kneed ben
maybe a few inches and the arms bend of a
few kind of like oh, you know, like when your
mom catches you in the PJR. Like I hope she
just goes away and doesn't ask me kind of thing that.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Sounds like a lot of people say like that, but
I've talked to that that, you know, silllar you like,
drove right up close to real slowly.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
They're kind of like, crap, you caught me, Like, you know,
they're kind.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Of embarrassed, like they seem like they're also embarrassed themselves
for getting caught like that.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Yeah, that's how the like I didn't it didn't seem
aggressive at all. Like I saw three other bears. The
next time I went, I saw a mom and a cubs,
and she she charged that the vehicle. I mean, you know,
but she was maybe one hundred meters away. But you
can clearly see a bear maybe three three hundred meters,
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you know, in the army, we we qualified three hundred
meters away open side. You can tell that the person
standing there, you know, so a bear is not a bear.
I could tell it. The bear from maybe more than
three hundred you know, maybe six hundred meters. I could
clearly see, oh there's two bears over there, let's go
take pictures of them, you know. And the bear was
that the mom bear was you could tell aggressive. I mean,
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it had two cubs sent I send the pictures. Also,
this thing did not seem like that that type of emotion.
It was just more like my mom caught me. I
hope she doesn't tell me nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Because the thing was facing the road, pretty much directly
facing the road, and you came along the side of it,
you saw it on the right hand side of the road.
As you approached it. You got to see this thing
from profile, as from a profile perspective, as well as
kind of face on in some ways when it was
at the profile perspective, maybe at the time where you
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were still kind of what was that a stump or
a bush? What is what is that? Right? Was it
completely standing up straight or was it leaning forward at all?
As we see a lot of depictions of sasquatch, So.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
It was already kind of crop but I don't want
to say crops because I don't want to make it
seem like it was crouched on it. It was the
knee bent maybe six inches, you know, and it's arms
me maybe four inches not It wasn't crossed on the floor.
It was standing but slightly bent knees. And that's how
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when I noticed. That's how I can tell you clearly
the mouth was not protruding like you see in a
chimp or a gorilla. The mouth was very like it fit,
the face flat, flatter, you know, like a human. Just
slightly protrusion like a human, you know, not from the side.
And that's when I tell you. The bicep was, you know,
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like two of my thighs put together. Might have been
its arm. It looked like a stump. So I don't
know if it maybe it learned to you know, people
don't look at those trees. I don't know, you know, evolution,
you know, maybe it learned to try and look like
or people don't pay attention when it just stops and
looks like a stump. But in my mind, I thought,
this is trying to make it itself seem like it's
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just the part of the terrain.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That's a very very common reaction with all animals. Hey,
Matt Prue, what's the name for that? What's the fancy
name for that?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You might be thinking about tony game mobility, But that's
usually like that is what I'm thinking of. Yes, that's
the involuntary freezing response to fear versus something that is voluntary.
You know, there are plenty of predators that will freeze
in the face of anything moving around. You know, predators
very often hunt prey animals that detect movement, and so
in order for them to get closer to prey or
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allow prey to come closer to them, if their ambush,
predators will freeze. So I think that's a really interesting
insight into sasquatches, that maybe they're very key into movement
because perhaps it is the case that they think if
something's not moving, it can't be seen. I don't think
sounds kind of anthropomorphic, but there might be some sort
of like cognitive equation between those two well.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
And also something along those lines is that if if
and we've talked about this a couple of weeks ago,
I think if they're retinas are largely rods and not cones.
You know, rods and cones are the two kinds of
cells on your retina. Cones see color, and I always
remember that because they both start with the sea, and
then rods see basically in black and white. Those are
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specifically for night vision, and we all kind of hypothesize
as sasquatches have really good night vision. So it's entirely
possible that the majority or a lot of the extra
cells on the back of the eye to cover the
red that would be rods. Those are also motion detectors
more so than detail detectors, so to speak, So they
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are designed to detect movements so that that might be
part of their evolutionary makeup, if my guess about the
retinal makeup is correct.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
So it just perfectly still, like you know, like a
deer in the headlights will look, but except it wasn't
it position It looked like it just positioned its legs closed,
you know, perfectly. It wasn't midstride or anything. And it
wasn't I didn't catch it half motion or anything. I
think it already had seen me and it just said,
you know, I'm gonna stop, and you know, pertina a
tree or whatever, you know, however they think and that's no,
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it didn't seem aggressive. It didn't seem non aggressive. It
just seemed like part of the landscape, like which I
assume as what it was trying to do.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, and it could be an involuntary response.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
What's really interesting, Irving, is that there was a witness
that I interviewed in my hometown that I brought Cliff
and Bobo to interview as well for the television series,
and she saw one crossing a road and caught it
as it was crossing sort of a similar thing, but
it was a paved road. But she was coming over
a rise and starting to come down the hill as
it was like mid crossing, and when her headlights hit it,
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she freaked out appropriately so and slammed on the brakes,
and it froze and stood there like a statue, even
though it was fully illuminated by the car's headlights and
standing out in the open on the road. It stayed
totally frozen until she came to a halt, and then
it turned and looked at her and kept moving. So
it could be an involuntary response too.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
That's exactly what That's exactly I'm just telling. I'm telling y'all,
right now, that's what it seemed like like. I think
if I would have stayed there and turned, then it
would have made a motion like to turn and walk away.
That's what it seemed like, like do I go? Do
I not go? You know, time no, I think it
was still thinking what to do. But that's exactly how
I describe it. Like that what you just said, where
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my headlights hited, it just you know, stopped and it
was pondering if this thing stops in front of me
I'm running or whatever, and it just I didn't stop.
I was going, you know, a little bit more than
a walking pace, you know, three to six miles an hour,
and it probably breathed the high relief when we didn't stop.
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You know, it was probably scared, like we were scared
of it. It was probably scared of us.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Well, when you
look at the map, you know, Matt Moneymaker supplied the
GPS coordinates on his BFROL report and for anybody listening,
the report number is seven seven six one zero. The
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GPS coordinates are right in there. You can type it
into Google Maps. If it was traveling from the northeast
to the southwest, it had just crossed a pretty wide
area one hundred yards or more of fairly open terrain
heading to the trees. And it also looks like there's
some little topography over there with a little maybe a
dry creek bed or whatever, you know, that sort of place.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
There's a drink bed in between the meadow. There's a
dry creek bed, but at that time it had a
little bit of water because it was drizzling. So there's
a creek bed and like I said, it's maybe what
fifty acres you can see of open metal.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Well, I think you caught it at the end of it.
It's probably pretty stressful to cross a big open area
like that getting close to the road, heard the car
coming and froze up or something. It's just a you know, speculation,
but I.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Was guessing also because like I said, I only saw
that one vehicle and it was you know, fifty to
seventy miles at the beginning of the trail. I didn't
see any other human, any other vehicle or dirt bike
atv horse you know, just cattle bears and the local
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you know, elk gear. I didn't see any and the
sun had just gone down. So I mean, if you're
an animal, you know, what's the best you know, the
some went down, Let me cross this dangerous thing and
I'll be on the other side.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, if it had made its way to the trees
and then froze, you would have never noticed.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
Nope, not at all.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, it just didn't change its defensive tactics like Oh
that'll work anywhere.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
There's no way that I was stopping in front of it.
I don't care if I got the biggest you know,
camera and production crew. This thing was massive. I can't
even say that word.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
You know.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
It was just that it was very proportionate. It wasn't
out of proportion where it had a big head or
a big chest, and you know, the legs are everything
was just a proportionate animal, like perfect.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Perfectly designed for what they do. Excellent.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
Yes, And my kid now he bought a night vision camera.
He wants to you know, he wants to drone. He's
kind of because I told him I thought you were shot,
thought you were gonna get your camera out and recorded
we ever saw something, you know. But the same thing
is like it was scary. It's like we need a
drone to see it from far away, you know, I
don't want to be near it again.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
That was the perfect spot for a drone. Yeah, that
was the first thing I thought when I saw it.
I was like that this is where drones or could
be really useful and this kind of terrain that.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Of course, the last thing you'd be thinking about in
such a unexpected situation is pulling out your iPhone to
snap a picture of it.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yes, if you had one of those you know cameras
that you mount up in your windshield like a little
recording camera, if you get what has showed up or
was it too dark and off off the side of.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
The road, we would have shown up perfectly. We bought
one already for the second time of whin and the
third time.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
That's how it goes. As soon as you see one,
then you get it. Now that you're prepared, you'll never
see one that close again.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Yeah, And I was telling your producer. I was like,
you know, I lived down here with brushland in South Texas.
It's just brush land. I was like, the only you know,
kind of scary legend we have is Zayorna, you know,
because I'm I'm of Mexican descent. So I was like,
that's how we scare our children and I to go
to sleep. You know, Yourna's coming for you. So we
don't have that at least here in South South Texas.
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You know, like there's a you know, a giant ape
out there, humanoid thing. So it was quite the experience.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
So as you drove away from the site, I don't
suppose you looked in your rear view mirror.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
No, No, it was already dark behind me, and I
was just focused on, like, you know, we got to
get some distance between us. Yeah, I mean it was not. No,
Like I said, no matter what, you're not, you're not
You're not prepared to get punch in the face. You know,
your whole plan changes.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
You're now better equipped. You've put a couple of thousand
miles under your tires going back to the site at
least twice. How else has your life changed at all
now that you've had a up close and personal with
one of these creators.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Well, now that I now that. When I come from
the second time, I told everybody. I told my wife
and I I was telling you my wife and I.
We own a hospice down here in South Texas, and
I told all the employees everybody, and most of them
are because they know me. They're like, yeah, I believe you,
I believe you. I was like, yes, why would I lie?
I was like, I didn't even tell you all the
first time I told. I waited till I knew there
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wasn't anything there. So I tell now, I tell everybody.
And I've always been into you know, hunting and fishing
and camping and stuff you know everywhere. So now my
son bought the night vision binoculars, is getting the drone,
so he's prepared more than I am. I was like,
let's go, We're going to go back in fall break.
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We're going to go back and actually try to stay
there at the spot to camp. I was like, let's
just stay there and put a camera up on the
tree and see if anything comes at night to wonder
what we're doing there. I'd been reading more than I
used to because I've always, you know, been interested in it,
but now I know. I was like, you know, New Mexico,
And when I went out to the BFRO, I didn't
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see too many sightings in New Mexico. So that's why
I was like, could I have even seen it? There's
not that many sightings in New Mexico, you know, but
Matt said they had they had some recent sightings close
to there, and they're actually going to go there to
reserve New Mexico close to the trail to check it out.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, a lot of stuff happens in New Mexico, and
the stuff that's on the public BFRO page, the stuff
that you get to see or any of the publicans
to see. It's a very very it's a very small
percentage of what's actually out there, because maybe Matt just
doesn't have a lot of investigators there right now, or
maybe they're not interested in publishing and that sort of stuff.
So there's a lot of factors that go into it.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
He called I think because he said, you know what
I'm there's it's great that you posted this because we've
had recent sightings here and close to there in the
forest in New Mexico, and we're setting up a thing
and then you come and do your you know, and
foremost of this. So now you know, he got more
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pumped up, like you know, another person's coming out of
New Mexico saying that. You know, so I think Matt
got really pumped up where you know, I'm kind of
corroborating the whoever told him the previous you know sightings there.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Matth a fantastic article on Sasquatch faces and how they've
changed over time, and you got you gotta really inspired
to get that out there that you're siting.
Speaker 5 (48:23):
Yes, And that's what I told him, And then he
had sent me the picture of the McLean statue.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, the McLaren.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
Uh huh Claren. I googled it. I couldn't. I couldn't
find that on my Google. But he sent me one
and uh, and then he sent me another one. He said, what, like,
you know, what would you change? I was like, if
you crossed the mass of that McLaren statue with more
humanoid features of the.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, I think the other one was from Lauren Coleman's
main museum as well.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
Yes, that one. I was like, if you add the
mass of the wooden statue to this, you know, and
the the facial features kind of more of the wooden one.
I was like, that's what I saw, like across you know.
But then I think, the you see a gorilla, it
looks different from the next gorilla, you know, like if
I'm saying, you know, if we assume that it's like
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an eight actual animal eight you know, even like, you know,
a lion has masculine features, and the you know, alan
is female, you know, feminine. And that's what I told
Matt was this thing had very masculine features, Like, there's
no way this was a female of that species.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Well, I love the fact that you're going to be
going back there, and of course you have my number.
If anything cool happens out there, I'd love to hear
about it when you do it.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
Yeah, I'm going to see now. I know you can
just buy castine stuff. My wife said from you know,
like some some supply store. I was like, if I
had a castie, I would have casted that.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
They might still be out there. Prince lasts in the
ground quite a long time. They're probably still some sign
of them out there.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Yeah, So this time we're prepared. We're getting you know,
hiking put on your hiking boots and water and some
casting to cast anything that I see and you know.
So yeah, we're going to go back out in October
during their fall break. So I'll let you all know.
I mean, as long as it doesn't get too close
to me, you know, I'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Beggars can't be choosers or ring Yeah. All right, Well,
unless there's any other last minute questions. I think that's fantastic.
I really appreciate your time coming on. But will you
have anything else before we split?
Speaker 4 (50:33):
No, it's cool, man, I'm glad you're going back.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
And I hope you got a drone chi because that
looks like a great spot for a drone.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Yes, my kid is hooked now. My kid, even though
he was very scared, He's like, we have to get
a picture. How come nobody's got a clear picture of it?
Like I was like, because they're scared there, it was
not the way you were scared. Is what happens to
most people.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Yes, he knows why. He's one of the people.
Speaker 5 (50:55):
That didn't exactly. That's what I told him. I thought
you were going to get a picture of anything. He's like, no,
And he has a camera, a Nikon, expensive camera because
he takes pictures of through his telescope of the planets
and stuff, so he has a big camera already. I
was like, what happened to your big camera? Nothing? You know,
So we did have that camera on board that we
(51:16):
could have got, you know, a Nikon with extended lands
and everything. But it's just your brain cannot comprehend. I
don't know, you know. I mean, you know, if you've
seen one, you know your brain doesn't comprehend you know
what it is. Because I can see a zebra here downtown,
you know, say Houston, and be like, oh, that's a zebra.
I know it doesn't belong to Houston, but I know
it's a zebra because I've watched you know, Animal Planet
(51:39):
and Discovery, you know, but this animal cannot comprehend it
no matter where you see it.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Very interesting, Well, irving man, thank you so much for
coming on and sharing your encounter with us. I know
our listener is going to love this. And you got
such a good, close and fairly extended look at this thing.
And most sightings happen over a period of time maybe
a second or two, maybe three, but you had five
or eight seconds of looking at this thing. You could
have practically reached out and kissed it. And you in
(52:06):
your floodlights, you know, on top of it all. So
that's just fantastic. So thank you very much for being
generous with your time and in your experience.
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Yes, which is luck. Maybe we'll have a better picture
or something.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
You've probably better off just saving all that gas. When
he investigated a good thermal instead of driving one thousand
miles each weather, there's stuff much closer to where you live.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
Yes, we got a thermal, we got a thermal camera.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
You're hooked. Well, good luck with that, man, come back,
come back and get us a picture.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
Okay, I will. I'll be out there like you all
trying to get a picture and see what happens.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
Good luck, all.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Right, Irving, Well, thank you very much for your time.
And yeah, and your story is fantastic account. So if
there's nothing else bobs, you want to get us out
of here, all right?
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Thanks Irving and good luck. In the future. We hope
to hear back for you that you got some evidence.
But until then, folks, y'all, don'ts do keep it squatchy.
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Hello Cliff, helloo man? Hello Bobo? How you doing man?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
There seems to be some sort of lag on your side?
Am I guessing that correctly?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Or no, you're lugging? Now you're forward, You're you're jumping time.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Okay, I'm playing ahead of the beat as musicians say,
all right, fair enough, good enough, I'm good man. How
are you doing everything? Good?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah? I got out out to Bluff and checked it
outut there. I was out there with Polly.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
We went down and he got We went all the
way to the film site this time, so that was cool.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
We were the only people that we saw out there.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Good, anything new going on out there?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And well, they dumped a ton of money into the
roads out there, and like the go roads, like they've
been patching it and like just clearing it. And then
when you have twelve and twelve totven thirteen out there,
they've made those like they're not paying, but they're just
as beautiful.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
As they could either. They've widened them, I mean they's
it's really nicely, and they've opened gates they never open before,
and cleared roads hadn't closed.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
They haven't cleared in like twenty years, ten fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Really really any important roads that I'd be interested in
knowing about. Okay, keep those on the DL Okay, fair enough, yet.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'll tell you I'll tell you off.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
The tales of woe and destruction were highly exaggerated, like
it was not that bad at all, Like what I mean,
I actually I was hearing like Moonscape, and when you're
down the film site, you can't even see where it came,
how close it came.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
It's just looks the same.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Uh, it was cleoling up the platform still built that
survived the winner.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I guess maybe it's a new one. But they got
the platform there, and they got the like the blue
little flags where Roger.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Was filming from like at certain points of the where,
and then they got the whatever pink red flags out
for where Patty was walking, so you can actually see
where Roger was he stopping film locations and where Patty
was at those certain times.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Very good and uh and Laired Meadow is all good
as well. That I heard it got pretty close to
that side, am I am? I correct?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Or now yeah it did, I mean, but it was,
I mean it was.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I mean, we didn't look out through the drone, like,
we didn't have a drone, so I don't know what
it looked like. You know how they can get your
view shot that you could see howard any hundreds of
yards up or whatever you can see or maybe some
places you can only see that forty feet but where.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Places are just visible from the road. It wasn't that.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
There was a few chunks were you know, burnt out,
but Laird looked pretty good overall. And uh yeah, like
they opened up some roads up there, and it was
just it was I wish we had more time to
the other we had to get back.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
That kind of blew. But we're going to go back
out there in a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And we got some will, we found some a drawn,
we got a truckload of firewood. So that was kind
of like it was a farwood mission with some squatching involved.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Sure, And so you went in the go road and
went out the fish Lake road, or did you go
back out the go road as well.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
We just we were in a hurriss who went out
that go road?
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Very good, very good. Yeah, well you know we probably would.
I don't want to take too much time hanging out.
Nothing personal, but I'm really interested in bluff of course.
But we have a fantastic guest today, so maybe we
should hop to that. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I think that'd be fantastic. Okay, No, I want to
talk to this guy.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, Bobba, we have a fantastic guest today. I briefly
spoke to this gentleman on the phone. I didn't hear
a lot of his encounter because I want to hear
it for the first time on the air with you.
Of Course, I know the basics. I think a lot
of us know the basics, of course, because Moneymaker Matt
Moneymaker interviewed this this extensively and he was kind enough
to give us access to the witness. So thank you, Matt,
(04:04):
really really appreciate that. Good friend. And well, let's just
jump into it. So our guest today is Irving Aguilera.
Irving and his son saw a sasquatch. But god, don't, don't,
let's not listen to me. Let's listen to Irving. Thank
you so much for coming on Bigfoot and beyond Irving.
We appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Hi, how's it going good?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Good? Thanks for coming so Irving.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
You know again I mentioned just a second ago. I
don't know a whole lot about your sightings. I know
the basics, but let's just do this. You live in Texas.
This was on some sort of trip to California. Set
it up for us. Tell us what you were doing
in the wilds of New Mexico right or it was
at Arizona. It was New Mexico.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Right in New Mexico. Yeah, Gila National Forest. So I
live in Texas. My zip code seven eight five five
two zip code you know, Hardingen, McCallum, Brownsville area, And
this is about one thousand and fifty miles from where
my sighting occurred. I was supposed to go to California.
I've been going to California for the last three years,
(05:05):
to Sequoya. We'll been taking my kids and stuff, you know.
I mean, it's a beautiful part of the country. So
I went a week early because I got a call
we had to pick up a rescue dog. My wife
and I had rescued some dogs, you know, a few
years ago, and the family couldn't take care of it anymore.
So I was like, you know what, I'll take off.
(05:26):
It was literally overnight. I was like, I'll take off
me and Easton is my son. I was like, well,
let's just go tomorrow. So we left on June twenty
ninth for the dog. So I was like, well, I'm
not coming back next week, so it might as well
go off roading. I have. Me and my son weren't
off roading, you know, we here, we go on the
beach and stuff. So I have a twenty twenty four
(05:48):
f one fifty Raptor with the thirty five inch tires,
and this is going to come into play because of
the height of my vehicle. That way, you know, anybody
can google how high is a f one fifty Raptor.
So we left on June twenty ninth in the morning.
We made it to Las Cruces, New Mexico, just outside
of a passo and we stayed there for the night.
(06:11):
And my son has this app called the on X Road,
so I was like, well, find you know, there's mountains here,
find some find the trail and we can just go,
you know, off roading in the mountains or whatever. So
he happened to click on this trail. It's called the
Chloride Trail, and it's out of Chloride, New Mexico. It's
(06:34):
about maybe forty miles west of a Truth or Consequences
in New Mexico. That would be the starting point. So
on June thirtieth, you know, we did little rounds around
there and we headed for the trail. I got to
the beginning of the trail at about fourteen thirty, two
thirty PM. I was in the army, so I might
(06:56):
say twenty one thirty or something. So we started trail
on fourteen thirty. And it's pretty rough trail, maybe averages
five to seven miles per hour on the truck because
just big rocks and stuff, and we're just cruising by,
not taking I'm not from there, so I didn't know
it was gonna take us this long to finish the trail.
So we saw two bear, a cinnamon colored and a black,
(07:21):
and they were within one hundred yards of each other.
I have pictures of that, I think I said them
to Matt. So we saw two bears, We saw elk,
plenty of elk gear squirrels pretty much. I guess every
will animal you can see in New Mexico. We saw it.
We saw only one vehicle all day. It was It
(07:41):
was a Toyota truck, the Tacoma and then had a
camping tent on top. And now we saw within three
miles of the beginning of the trail, mile seventy of
the trail. About miles seventy is where I saw the Sasquatch.
It was about twenty one thirty that they had been drizzling, right,
(08:02):
It was about twenty one thirty. It had just got dark.
It was still some you know, in the background, you
can still see something. And my four fog lights were on.
My headlights were on. And if you go to the cordence,
I gave y'all, if we're coming from the north east
and there's a change in elevation where you see a
(08:22):
bunch of trees that cover the trail on the satellite,
there's a change of elevation, So I assume after that,
compose myself that it hadn't seen us. We came through
the elevation change and we moved a a couple hundred
you know, meters, and there's a tree, a big whatever
grows in New Mexico on the Rosa Pine maybe I
(08:45):
don't know the actual pines species there, and behind the
tree about twenty five feet on the side of the
road maybe. Like I told you, if my kid had
a mop out the window, he could have slapped it.
That's how close it was. Was this giant figure, you
(09:08):
know figure it was. I mean, the proportion of this
was perfect. It wasn't like when you see an NBA
player that you know, I've been to some Santonio Spurs game.
You see the other lanky you know, they're they're not
great proportion. You know, this thing was exact proportion. It was.
The proportion of this thing was this thing can flip
(09:28):
my truck over like that's how massive it was. Back
to my truck. My truck is six and a half
feet from the floor to the roof of my truck.
And then there was about a fourteen eighteen inch drop
on the side of the trail where it was slightly
like its legs were slightly bent. And then it was
(09:48):
about maybe a foot over my truck, so maybe eight feet.
You know, I would assume this thing to be and
my son looks at me, We're going maybe three to
five miles an hour, So if you get in your vehicle,
you know, three to five miles that's how long you
have to see it, which is a long time, you know,
maybe four or five six seconds. You know, it wasn't quick.
(10:13):
It wasn't a quick sighting where like, oh, who was that?
My son turns around and look at me, and it
was just like fear like he's like did you see
that that? And in my mind I'm still trying to comprehend, like,
you know, did I like did I really see this?
And I was like, yes, I saw that, and you know,
(10:33):
like I saw it like clear, I saw it. Its
mouth clear, it's it's it's nose, and it's The biceps
on this thing were about a little bit bigger than
my thigh, which I'm almost five eleven, two hundred and
fifty pounds guy. I mean, just the sheer mass of
(10:55):
this thing was intimidating. You know, truly, I'm pretty sure
if you want to fit my truck over it could
have that's how huge this thing was. And its hair
was it was long haired, about maybe six inches each.
You know, the hairline it was tangled so tangled that
kind of like dreadlocks, and then it was dark colored
(11:17):
black with gray like I guess, you know, like a
grain when your dog starts getting the gray hairs on
the on the bottom of its chin and stuff. The
dreadlock looking hair was was already turning gray, like I
could see that its face was like, because its face
really made an impression on me, like there's no way
(11:39):
that you could say, you know, this was like a human,
but it had human features. Like I always hear people, oh,
why don't they just kill one. I was like, I
don't think you could shoot it, and I think it
looks too human for you to be. You know, I'm
gonna kill this thing just to show people. Except the
sheer size, you know, we don't see a human, you know,
eight ten foot tall. You know, it looks like a
(12:01):
a bench, you know, a thousand pounds. So the face
was it wasn't very dark the face. It wasn't black
like the like a gorilla. I just compared to a gorilla.
It wasn't black like a gorilla. It was like, well,
I'm a Mexican American, so like a Hispanic when we
get burnt, like really burnt, you know, over years, we
(12:24):
that that color like we're you know, not a black tone,
but not a light not a brown tone kind of
in between. That was the skin. And the skin was
like when you see an old woman or an old
man that's you know, one hundred years old that has
worked out in the like in the field and the
ranching farming, and they have that leathery, tough skin. That's
(12:46):
exactly what the what the skin looked like, like leathery
texture like wife kids. So I compare stuff to like Disney,
like a cocoa. The grandmother that that she has that
leathery type looking skin. That's what his skin looked like
from the Disney movie. And the mouth was wide, it
(13:08):
wasn't protruding like a gorilla where or a chimp. You
know how the eyes and the nose are kind of
flat on the chimp or a gorilla and then the
mouth kind of protrudes out like on a profile picture. Yeah,
the mouth was kind of flush, like a flush like
a human ish you know, humanoid flush with its face.
It wasn't a protruding like if you took a profile,
(13:29):
it wouldn't have been protruding. It was just massive and
like it didn't have a human Oh it's smiling or
it's angry or you know, like human emotional look. It
just had like a you know, it's just an animal,
a creature.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
After these messages, my son and I continue, we're like
and we talked about it. It was like it was a bush.
It had to be a bush, like what you know,
Like Cliff didn't hear the story that much, but I
told him. I told him three things. I was like, Cliff,
if you had told me I saw gorilla, my mind
(14:08):
would have said yes. If you told me that I
saw Neanderthal caveman that was just trapped here in time,
I would have said yes. If you told me I
saw a Native American shaman with a big buffalo skin
and stuff ghost from the past, I would have said yes.
That's how screwed up my mind was at the time,
like of like my mind just trying to comprehend, you know.
(14:30):
And so Mike, you know, we left, we went to
the Grand Canyon, then went towards Utah and we were
just talking about it. My son and I was like,
you know, it could be a tree of the stump
because as you know, there's fires there. So we did
see blacked out stumps, you know, from the forest fires,
(14:51):
as you see anywhere else in you know, in the
out west. So we went, we picked up the dog,
and we came back. That was June thirtieth, the siding.
So I came back right. I didn't tell anybody but
my wife and one of my cousins because it sounds crazy.
I mean, I've known about the Sasquatch Bigfoot, you know,
I've followed it for years. You know, I even had
(15:14):
the little Bigfoot monster truck, you know, when I was
a kid. That was probably how everybody gets you know,
my age would get you know, what's the big Foot?
You know, all the monster truck, you know. So we
talked about my son. I told my wife my wife
would leave me, and my son was like, I think
that's what I was like. But I'm not saying that's
what it is. You know, I was telling my wife.
(15:34):
I'm not saying it was I'm saying I'm just telling
you what I saw. I'm not telling you that it
was this or that. And we couldn't I just couldn't
sleep for about less than two weeks. I was like, man,
I was like, what if it was a stump and
I'm just imagining stuff. So on on July nineteenth, my
son and I was, let's go, we gotta go. There
(15:55):
has to be a stump there. So we went. We
we woke up that mom. I was like, let's go.
We left, We packed some stuff. I was like, we're leaving,
and I can't take it anymore, not knowing there's a
stump there. Before I tell anybody, you know, I don't
want to tell somebody and then they go there at all,
there's a stump. So we just went out of the
blue again, my said I. On July nineteenth, we went,
and it took us the same about a day to
(16:17):
get there. And on July twentieth, we as soon as
we were crossing the tree line again, then I'll tell
you that had the elevation change. My heart was like
I kind of I felt more confused because in my
mind there was always that it was a stump. You know,
it was a stump, or it was a giant bush.
And so I had already convinced myself that, you know,
(16:38):
I guess for you don't want to be disappointed. So
I was like, you know, it's a stump. Probably let's
let's just go. We'll do some other trails. And as
soon as we came up with that elevation change and I
saw there's only one tree in that meddle. There's only
one tree, and it was there standing next to the tree,
and that confirmed it for me. I was like, there's
no way like. So we went to the exact spot
(16:59):
where we saw it. We walked around and that's where
I found what looks like a print. And I wear
a size eleven shoe, so that's a size eleven, hey, dude,
on that picture. And I mean to me, it looks
like you can see some toe imprints, you know, on there,
and it's way bigger than my shoe. And then what
are the chances that I pull up to a spot
(17:20):
that there would be a footprint, you know, out of
everywhere in the United States. I show up to the
spot and there's what appears to be a footprint.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
But moneymakers posted all the photos you sent him and
the map detailing where you were and all that.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
You can shit it all.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, and where the print is, there's other prints because
it had been drizzling that day all day, so there's
other prints. Just there's no bear prints there. The bear.
We did see the bear maybe like straight air as
the crow flies. About five miles away, we saw a giant,
you know, two black bears, one black ones and them
(17:55):
in the bigger bears. And then there is a game
trail where the sighting was. There is a game trail
that goes the meadows, maybe fifty acres if you can
see it on the picture, about fifty acre meadow. And
that's when I saw that. I when I made my
little it was trying. It was crossing the meadow from
(18:17):
west to east, and we came over the elevation changed
on the northeast side, and it had nowhere to go,
you know, so I think it just pretending to be
a stump. Its arms were bent, I mean, and its
knees were bent. Its arms were at least as long
as its knees where its hands worth. And its hands
(18:38):
were kind of curled up so I couldn't see the
nails or fingers, and it stood perfectly still, like a statue,
and it kind of looked down and the hair was
covered covering its eyes, you know, like a like a
one of those shaggy dogs. The hair was covering its eyes.
So I could see its nose. Its nose was like
a huge, perfect triangle. But it wasn't like a gorilla
(19:02):
where it has the nostrils giant like up like it
pretty much when you see a gorilla, to me, it
looks like it has a circular nostril pointing at you.
It wasn't that type of nose. It was a giant triangle,
and the nose would be between a human and a
like a gorilla, like like if you could do halfway
in between. That's what the nose look like. And like
(19:22):
I said, it was leathery skinned, like leathery looking, and
it's chest. That's the first thing. My son is like,
did you see the size of his chest? He said,
he looked like two football players put together. And this
thing was probably still bigger, you know, And he compares
it he plays basketball football, so he's like, and it
(19:43):
was probably, you know, almost as tall as our basketball hoop,
which our basketball hoop is about nine foot at home,
you know, it's not a ten foot like NBA. And
that's what he compares it to the size. And I
was like, you know what, it makes sense because there
there is about a fourteen inch drop from the road
to where it would have been standing plus the height
of my truck six and a half feet, you know,
(20:04):
that puts it around there maybe eight foot, and it
had I mean just what stuck with me was the mouth,
the nose, and the hair. If you could if you
get your long haired dog and it gets all mad
at furst, that's what it looked like. There's very coarse
and the grayish could have been the grayish could have
been mud or something on it, but it definitely had
(20:25):
a grayish color on top of most of the black hair.
And then I went back. Once I confirmed, I went
back the next weekend to show my wife. I was like,
just so you know that I'm not crazy, like we're going.
So we went back July twenty eighth with my wife.
I was like, right here, this is where we saw it.
You see there's nothing around. You're my waitness, there's no
stumps or anything.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Your wife drove a thousand miles to go see that
with you.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Yes, it was profound.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
I mean, yeah, that's yes.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Correct three times. So it went three times the first time.
I after the second time that I confirmed, I told everyone,
I was like, I'm gonna tell everybody. There's no I
was like you want a fact check me. This is
the coordinate. I went there, I stood there that that's
the coordinate. You know, go look at it, and you're
gonna see the game trail. You can see you know,
you might find some prints there. There's a game trail,
there's how to get there. You can see the pine
(21:17):
forest on both sides of the mountains. The elevation was
a little over seven thousand feet. You know, because I
know a lot of I thought, like I guess most
people probably assume that New Mexico's just desert dry. You know,
there's streams, there's lakes up there, there's pine forest on
both you know, above probably six thousand elevation you get
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into the pine forest. This was at seven thousand elevation.
The temperature was probably you know, seventy five degrees and
one hundred down in last cruises.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
So did you check out did you have any of
those ranches where you hit the pavement right there where
the trail is on the pavement, did you knock any
of those doors those ranchers right there o.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Those that one that you see about out maybe a
couple of miles, a few miles to the what is
it southwest it's just like a horsemark. There's the horses
out there with a barn and you can't go in
there because they're fenced off.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
There's a nice lake there too.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
I mean you can see why that would be in
that area because there's that that's like the biggest water
source for miles and miles and miles around.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Yes, and there is cattle. There's cows out there, you know,
the with the grazing, the BLM grazing and stuff. There
is cattle. So because I was like, how could something
live like this? You know if it weighs fifteen hundred
pounds or you know there's a bull walking byway, you know,
weighing eighteen hundred pounds even off the grass up there.
So I mean, I'm sure it can. Something can survive
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that big.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
So it was just standing or was it squatting or
somewhere in between ten feet from the trail it was.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It was just the knees were slightly bent and its
arms were curled. His hands were crawled and his arms
were curled. So I don't know if it was trying
to couldsel seem a little bit smaller, then it stood
perfectly still, like not a wing, not a its mouth, movement, nothing,
just completely still, just slightly arched, you know, the legs
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and the arms, and just like if I caught it
midstride and it's like, oh snap, you know, somebody's gonna
see me. And sure, I mean, the area looks like
I caught it in the middle trying to cross, because
the forest on the east side is maybe what thirty
meters so it was almost home free. And a lot
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of things happened for me to be there at that time.
I took a wrong turn on the trail and I
had to back up, and so if I hadn't taken
that wrong turn, you know, the only wrong turn I
took all day happened about thirty minutes before. So I
backed up. I was like, are you sure, Yeah, let's
go this way. So, I mean, it was just you know,
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a super duper co wincidents, or you know, it was
just fate that I'd seen this thing.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And one of the photographs that you sent it looks
like there's a blue bronco in it in the meadow.
Is that where the animal was standing.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yes, on the left side. That's the second time we
went back, my son and I to confirm it was
standing on the left side of the picture, right on
the Literally, like I said, my kid could have had
a mop and swung it at him out the window
and probably would have hit him.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
So the sasquatch would have been between the car and
where you took the photograph, just maybe six or eight
feet off to.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
The side, yes, about right, So the it's facing in
that picture. The vehicle's facing north west, so it would
have been about ten fifteen feet or less on the
left side of the vehicle. I sent a little video.
You can see I panned from left to right, and
you can see on the east side the forest is
really close to the road, maybe like thirty meters to
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you know from the road, so I assume it was
getting across we came over, the elevation changed and it,
you know, I would just try to act like a statue,
like a stump, like a burnout stump or something.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Was the mouth closed the entire time?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Yes, the mouth was closed.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
What were the lips like? Where thin or what were
they like?
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Were thin? They weren't? They weren't big or anything. It
was just a thin I tried to draw it because
Matt I didn't. I didn't really tell the BFR until
a couple of weeks ago, because that was still like
it's crazy, who's gonna believe me? You know, like there
I find like I was telling you, I find myself
like babbling on, like trying to you know, this is
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really happening, because I know it sounds crazy, So I
didn't report it. Then Matt said, we'll try to draw it,
you know, and then each dry and you should get
a little bit better. So that's why I tried to
draw it with the mouth kind of straight, just straight
across not they didn't have it Like I said, it didn't.
It didn't show any human emotions that you can tell
when someone scared or upset or you know, laughing. It didn't.
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It didn't have any emotions on the face. It was
just you know, straight across lips kind of thin and
just lathery. The lips were color as the as the
face was.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Do you think the mouth was relatively wide compared to
a human or was it very human? Like?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Yes, the mouth was about I mean huge, like the
like the width of a regular paper. Okay, you know
what is that eight inches?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, like eight and a half inches or something.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
It kind of reminded me of where the wild things
are of the book. Though the mouth on those things
where it's kind of wide, you know, they're that, that's
what the mouth reminded me of. And kind of the
feet the no really no emotion, just an animal, a creature.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages. Now, you
said it was drizzling, so where your windows up or down?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
My windows were up, and I did not have tint
on that window. It was it was a pure no
tint and it was drizzy. It's like that mist like
a he missed it was. It was that like a
deck type of drizzle. But like I said, my truck
has four fog lights, two you know, the two high beams,
and I mean you can go outside pitch dark or
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you know, and you can see what's standing next to
your vehicle clearly. And I see, you know, I saw
it maybe five seconds like one one thousand two, one
thousand three, one thousand four, one thousand five, one thousand
man past. I mean that's plenty of time. That's how
long the siding was.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
And you didn't see it before that because you came
over an embankment.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Yes, where the trees are on the northeast side, there's
an elevation change, and I think it must have been
crossing and when we got too close to the tree,
it just stopped. And I've course seen it for the
first thirty feet. I was, you know, my mind doesn't copper.
It's just a stump. There's there is burnt out like
up there snow Lake, there was a fire. I think
it's called Snow Lake, New Mexico. The pretty much on
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the trail there is a fire. There was a fire
while we were there. So we had seen you know,
burnt out stumps and with regrowth on them, so they
do kind of look like some of your mind tries
to make something out of them. So I was seeing it.
I saw as they got closer, maybe to the you know,
ten feet from the front right headlight, I noticed it
and I followed it all till it was next to
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my son. He saw it. He was pale, like he's
just seen a ghost.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That You commented that you were mostly struck by the face,
that's where your attention was really focused. But your son
saw some more details of the body. Is that correct?
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Yes, he's he right away. He said it was you know,
bigger than two you know football guys with he he
compared it to somebody wearing shoulder pads and wearing like
a big, hairy outfit on top of it. That's how
why the the shoulders were very like broad So that's
what he cares it to. He says, it looked like
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a giant linebacker wearing shoulder pads and then just covered
in hair.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Did he either say or did you notice if it
was uniformly covered in hair or were there thicker or
perhaps thinner patches on the body at someplace?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
The chest and everything was covered in hair. It wasn't
like a champ or something that you see, you know,
it has nipples or anything. It was just hair, complete hair,
except all the way it was even covering most of
the eyes. The hair, and it was just so tangled
the hair, you know that they kind of started looking
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like dreadlocks that type of hair or the mop hair,
the hairs on your mop. That's the closest thing that
I could compare it to. And about the length of
maybe six inches, you know, the hair length. And my
son noted just the chest and the biceps were enormous,
I mean talking just enormous I don't even know there's
a word to describe it. I got scared because I
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had my kid there, you know, ten feet from this thing,
and I was like, in my mind, I was like this,
think lift up my truck. That's how strong it appeared
to myself. So I was like, oh, we got to
get out of here, you know, Like I don't you know,
I mean thinking mag even if you had a you know,
thirty out six, I don't think that's taking this thing down.
Like the people say they're going to shoot one man.
(30:15):
You good luck to you. That thing is not falling
with you know, five whatever biggest rounds you can use.
It is massive.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Could you guess the way the weight.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I have a cow that's about fourteen hundred pounds, so
about that maybe one thousand pounds easily, it's about it. It
was about as big as my one of my bulls
out there. It's just ginormous.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You mentioned how the hair was like dreadlocks, but just
to be clear, was that only on the head and
shoulder areas or was that throughout the body?
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Yeah, the like the chest, the chest and the for sure,
the from the top of the and the top of
the head wasn't like what you think, you know, the
like Matt showed me the little garden statute, that's the
idea that I had in my mind. I'm not sure
a lot of people have in their mind that it
has like a gorilla cone shape on top. You know,
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it did not have that. It It had a roundish
head on top, very wide and just matted with hair
that they looked like dreadlocks, long enough to cover most
of the eyes and most of the face and then
the shoulders and the neck and e was just matted hair. Oh,
I was telling the producer, I was in the army,
you know, I was a Medican Army back in the
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early two thousands, and like a like a gilly suit,
but not that you can clearly tell. It was not
a gilly suit. That's how the hair appeared, just kind
of matted, and the legs were not matted. It was shorter,
you know, it would have been shorter hair for sure.
The chest, the neck area and the hair was matted.
The head.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Did you see cheated it all?
Speaker 5 (31:54):
No? No, The lips were perfectly straight, like no teeth
and not even you know how we have kind of
like a like the way the joker exaggerates the up
on the mouth curved. It was not like it was
just straight, like, you know, just straight, not and not protruding,
kind of flat faced what I felt. The only way
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I can describe how I felt. I was, I just
I was a Medican Army and I spent two years
in Iraq in the five and then in eight right
and U. So in the army, they train you for,
you know, for gun fighting. So you know, since you're
basic training, they trade you for the gun fight and
the gun fight and the gun fight. So you go
out there and you're like, I'm ready, I'm ready. The
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first time I heard like an automatic weapon coming back
at me, nothing in this world could have prepared me
for that, And that exact thing is what I had
when I saw this thing. The I thought I knew
what it would look like. You know, I thought that
I was prepared to see something like this, and I
was not. Totally. No amount of preparation could have prepared
me for this, for this visual.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, I was really curious when I when I read
the report, because you know, I've heard many witnesses described
that feeling, and then we all kind of know how
it feels to have to get out of the car
in the dark, whether that's the cleared obstruction out of
the road or something. And so it sounds like you
had to get out of the truck just a little
waist down the road right.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Yes, for the if you see on the if you
see on the map, maybe a couple hundred meters there's
a gate, and you know, probably not west there's gates,
but you open them and you have to close them
because you know people's cattle will get out. And my
son had to be getting off all day, you know,
open the gate. He was like, I'm not getting off that,
I'll drive. So I got off, and I mean I
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did have an uneasy feeling, you know, like something was looking,
you know, looking at me. There. I got off. I
opened that gate, he drove past it, closed it, and
you know, we never looked back at the time. It
was that bad. For the whole two weeks after, I
was like, I should have gone back. I should have
gone back. But at the thing, I'm just thinking, you know,
I have my kid with me, what if this thing
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is aggressive, you know, because you know I seen I've
seen chimpanzee documentaries and they're aggressive. So beyond that, that
whole like Mike Tyson's famous line, right, everybody has a
plan until you get punched in the face, And that's
exactly what happened to me. I was like, yeah, if
I ever see one man, I'll just take out my
phone and you know the classic why didn't you get
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a better picture or why didn't you do this? I
was like, that's a lot easier said than when you're
there face to face.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Was it making a fist?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Was it like when I was ready to fight, Like
it was kind of like you said, his arms were
kind of crowl this.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
Yeah, the fingers were prolled up so I couldn't see
his fingers just prolled up, and you know it was
like I said, just shaggy everywhere.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Did you get the sensors kind of like blowing up?
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Like my sense like he was trying to like, Oh
I messed up, don't you know? Don't stop and look
at me. That's the sense I got kind of a
little like I said, maybe you know the kneed ben
maybe a few inches and the arms bend of a
few kind of like oh, you know, like when your
mom catches you in the PJR. Like I hope she
just goes away and doesn't ask me kind of thing that.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Sounds like a lot of people say like that, but
I've talked to that that, you know, silllar you like,
drove right up close to real slowly.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
They're kind of like, crap, you caught me, Like, you know,
they're kind.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Of embarrassed, like they seem like they're also embarrassed themselves
for getting caught like that.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Yeah, that's how the like I didn't it didn't seem
aggressive at all. Like I saw three other bears. The
next time I went, I saw a mom and a cubs,
and she she charged that the vehicle. I mean, you know,
but she was maybe one hundred meters away. But you
can clearly see a bear maybe three three hundred meters,
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you know, in the army, we we qualified three hundred
meters away open side. You can tell that the person
standing there, you know, so a bear is not a bear.
I could tell it. The bear from maybe more than
three hundred you know, maybe six hundred meters. I could
clearly see, oh there's two bears over there, let's go
take pictures of them, you know. And the bear was
that the mom bear was you could tell aggressive. I mean,
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it had two cubs sent I send the pictures. Also,
this thing did not seem like that that type of emotion.
It was just more like my mom caught me. I
hope she doesn't tell me nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Because the thing was facing the road, pretty much directly
facing the road, and you came along the side of it,
you saw it on the right hand side of the road.
As you approached it. You got to see this thing
from profile, as from a profile perspective, as well as
kind of face on in some ways when it was
at the profile perspective, maybe at the time where you
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were still kind of what was that a stump or
a bush? What is what is that? Right? Was it
completely standing up straight or was it leaning forward at all?
As we see a lot of depictions of sasquatch, So.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
It was already kind of crop but I don't want
to say crops because I don't want to make it
seem like it was crouched on it. It was the
knee bent maybe six inches, you know, and it's arms
me maybe four inches not It wasn't crossed on the floor.
It was standing but slightly bent knees. And that's how
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when I noticed. That's how I can tell you clearly
the mouth was not protruding like you see in a
chimp or a gorilla. The mouth was very like it fit,
the face flat, flatter, you know, like a human. Just
slightly protrusion like a human, you know, not from the side.
And that's when I tell you. The bicep was, you know,
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like two of my thighs put together. Might have been
its arm. It looked like a stump. So I don't
know if it maybe it learned to you know, people
don't look at those trees. I don't know, you know, evolution,
you know, maybe it learned to try and look like
or people don't pay attention when it just stops and
looks like a stump. But in my mind, I thought,
this is trying to make it itself seem like it's
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just the part of the terrain.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That's a very very common reaction with all animals. Hey,
Matt Prue, what's the name for that? What's the fancy
name for that?
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You might be thinking about tony game mobility, But that's
usually like that is what I'm thinking of. Yes, that's
the involuntary freezing response to fear versus something that is voluntary.
You know, there are plenty of predators that will freeze
in the face of anything moving around. You know, predators
very often hunt prey animals that detect movement, and so
in order for them to get closer to prey or
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allow prey to come closer to them, if their ambush,
predators will freeze. So I think that's a really interesting
insight into sasquatches, that maybe they're very key into movement
because perhaps it is the case that they think if
something's not moving, it can't be seen. I don't think
sounds kind of anthropomorphic, but there might be some sort
of like cognitive equation between those two well.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
And also something along those lines is that if if
and we've talked about this a couple of weeks ago,
I think if they're retinas are largely rods and not cones.
You know, rods and cones are the two kinds of
cells on your retina. Cones see color, and I always
remember that because they both start with the sea, and
then rods see basically in black and white. Those are
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specifically for night vision, and we all kind of hypothesize
as sasquatches have really good night vision. So it's entirely
possible that the majority or a lot of the extra
cells on the back of the eye to cover the
red that would be rods. Those are also motion detectors
more so than detail detectors, so to speak, So they
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are designed to detect movements so that that might be
part of their evolutionary makeup, if my guess about the
retinal makeup is correct.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
So it just perfectly still, like you know, like a
deer in the headlights will look, but except it wasn't
it position It looked like it just positioned its legs closed,
you know, perfectly. It wasn't midstride or anything. And it
wasn't I didn't catch it half motion or anything. I
think it already had seen me and it just said,
you know, I'm gonna stop, and you know, pertina a
tree or whatever, you know, however they think and that's no,
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it didn't seem aggressive. It didn't seem non aggressive. It
just seemed like part of the landscape, like which I
assume as what it was trying to do.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, and it could be an involuntary response.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
What's really interesting, Irving, is that there was a witness
that I interviewed in my hometown that I brought Cliff
and Bobo to interview as well for the television series,
and she saw one crossing a road and caught it
as it was crossing sort of a similar thing, but
it was a paved road. But she was coming over
a rise and starting to come down the hill as
it was like mid crossing, and when her headlights hit it,
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she freaked out appropriately so and slammed on the brakes,
and it froze and stood there like a statue, even
though it was fully illuminated by the car's headlights and
standing out in the open on the road. It stayed
totally frozen until she came to a halt, and then
it turned and looked at her and kept moving. So
it could be an involuntary response too.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
That's exactly what That's exactly I'm just telling. I'm telling y'all,
right now, that's what it seemed like like. I think
if I would have stayed there and turned, then it
would have made a motion like to turn and walk away.
That's what it seemed like, like do I go? Do
I not go? You know, time no, I think it
was still thinking what to do. But that's exactly how
I describe it. Like that what you just said, where
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my headlights hited, it just you know, stopped and it
was pondering if this thing stops in front of me
I'm running or whatever, and it just I didn't stop.
I was going, you know, a little bit more than
a walking pace, you know, three to six miles an hour,
and it probably breathed the high relief when we didn't stop.
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You know, it was probably scared, like we were scared
of it. It was probably scared of us.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Well, when you
look at the map, you know, Matt Moneymaker supplied the
GPS coordinates on his BFROL report and for anybody listening,
the report number is seven seven six one zero. The
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GPS coordinates are right in there. You can type it
into Google Maps. If it was traveling from the northeast
to the southwest, it had just crossed a pretty wide
area one hundred yards or more of fairly open terrain
heading to the trees. And it also looks like there's
some little topography over there with a little maybe a
dry creek bed or whatever, you know, that sort of place.
Speaker 5 (42:17):
There's a drink bed in between the meadow. There's a
dry creek bed, but at that time it had a
little bit of water because it was drizzling. So there's
a creek bed and like I said, it's maybe what
fifty acres you can see of open metal.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Well, I think you caught it at the end of it.
It's probably pretty stressful to cross a big open area
like that getting close to the road, heard the car
coming and froze up or something. It's just a you know, speculation,
but I.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Was guessing also because like I said, I only saw
that one vehicle and it was you know, fifty to
seventy miles at the beginning of the trail. I didn't
see any other human, any other vehicle or dirt bike
atv horse you know, just cattle bears and the local
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you know, elk gear. I didn't see any and the
sun had just gone down. So I mean, if you're
an animal, you know, what's the best you know, the
some went down, Let me cross this dangerous thing and
I'll be on the other side.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, if it had made its way to the trees
and then froze, you would have never noticed.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
Nope, not at all.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Yeah, it just didn't change its defensive tactics like Oh
that'll work anywhere.
Speaker 5 (43:24):
There's no way that I was stopping in front of it.
I don't care if I got the biggest you know,
camera and production crew. This thing was massive. I can't
even say that word.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
You know.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
It was just that it was very proportionate. It wasn't
out of proportion where it had a big head or
a big chest, and you know, the legs are everything
was just a proportionate animal, like perfect.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Perfectly designed for what they do. Excellent.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
Yes, And my kid now he bought a night vision camera.
He wants to you know, he wants to drone. He's
kind of because I told him I thought you were shot,
thought you were gonna get your camera out and recorded
we ever saw something, you know. But the same thing
is like it was scary. It's like we need a
drone to see it from far away, you know, I
don't want to be near it again.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
That was the perfect spot for a drone. Yeah, that
was the first thing I thought when I saw it.
I was like that this is where drones or could
be really useful and this kind of terrain that.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Of course, the last thing you'd be thinking about in
such a unexpected situation is pulling out your iPhone to
snap a picture of it.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yes, if you had one of those you know cameras
that you mount up in your windshield like a little
recording camera, if you get what has showed up or
was it too dark and off off the side of.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
The road, we would have shown up perfectly. We bought
one already for the second time of whin and the
third time.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
That's how it goes. As soon as you see one,
then you get it. Now that you're prepared, you'll never
see one that close again.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
Yeah, And I was telling your producer. I was like,
you know, I lived down here with brushland in South Texas.
It's just brush land. I was like, the only you know,
kind of scary legend we have is Zayorna, you know,
because I'm I'm of Mexican descent. So I was like,
that's how we scare our children and I to go
to sleep. You know, Yourna's coming for you. So we
don't have that at least here in South South Texas.
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You know, like there's a you know, a giant ape
out there, humanoid thing. So it was quite the experience.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
So as you drove away from the site, I don't
suppose you looked in your rear view mirror.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
No, No, it was already dark behind me, and I
was just focused on, like, you know, we got to
get some distance between us. Yeah, I mean it was not. No,
Like I said, no matter what, you're not, you're not
You're not prepared to get punch in the face. You know,
your whole plan changes.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
You're now better equipped. You've put a couple of thousand
miles under your tires going back to the site at
least twice. How else has your life changed at all
now that you've had a up close and personal with
one of these creators.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Well, now that I now that. When I come from
the second time, I told everybody. I told my wife
and I I was telling you my wife and I.
We own a hospice down here in South Texas, and
I told all the employees everybody, and most of them
are because they know me. They're like, yeah, I believe you,
I believe you. I was like, yes, why would I lie?
I was like, I didn't even tell you all the
first time I told. I waited till I knew there
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wasn't anything there. So I tell now, I tell everybody.
And I've always been into you know, hunting and fishing
and camping and stuff you know everywhere. So now my
son bought the night vision binoculars, is getting the drone,
so he's prepared more than I am. I was like,
let's go, We're going to go back in fall break.
(46:41):
We're going to go back and actually try to stay
there at the spot to camp. I was like, let's
just stay there and put a camera up on the
tree and see if anything comes at night to wonder
what we're doing there. I'd been reading more than I
used to because I've always, you know, been interested in it,
but now I know. I was like, you know, New Mexico,
And when I went out to the BFRO, I didn't
(47:01):
see too many sightings in New Mexico. So that's why
I was like, could I have even seen it? There's
not that many sightings in New Mexico, you know, but
Matt said they had they had some recent sightings close
to there, and they're actually going to go there to
reserve New Mexico close to the trail to check it out.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah, a lot of stuff happens in New Mexico, and
the stuff that's on the public BFRO page, the stuff
that you get to see or any of the publicans
to see. It's a very very it's a very small
percentage of what's actually out there, because maybe Matt just
doesn't have a lot of investigators there right now, or
maybe they're not interested in publishing and that sort of stuff.
So there's a lot of factors that go into it.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
He called I think because he said, you know what
I'm there's it's great that you posted this because we've
had recent sightings here and close to there in the
forest in New Mexico, and we're setting up a thing
and then you come and do your you know, and
foremost of this. So now you know, he got more
(48:00):
pumped up, like you know, another person's coming out of
New Mexico saying that. You know, so I think Matt
got really pumped up where you know, I'm kind of
corroborating the whoever told him the previous you know sightings there.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Matth a fantastic article on Sasquatch faces and how they've
changed over time, and you got you gotta really inspired
to get that out there that you're siting.
Speaker 5 (48:23):
Yes, And that's what I told him, And then he
had sent me the picture of the McLean statue.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, the McLaren.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
Uh huh Claren. I googled it. I couldn't. I couldn't
find that on my Google. But he sent me one
and uh, and then he sent me another one. He said, what, like,
you know, what would you change? I was like, if
you crossed the mass of that McLaren statue with more
humanoid features of the.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, I think the other one was from Lauren Coleman's
main museum as well.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
Yes, that one. I was like, if you add the
mass of the wooden statue to this, you know, and
the the facial features kind of more of the wooden one.
I was like, that's what I saw, like across you know.
But then I think, the you see a gorilla, it
looks different from the next gorilla, you know, like if
I'm saying, you know, if we assume that it's like
(49:14):
an eight actual animal eight you know, even like, you know,
a lion has masculine features, and the you know, alan
is female, you know, feminine. And that's what I told
Matt was this thing had very masculine features, Like, there's
no way this was a female of that species.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Well, I love the fact that you're going to be
going back there, and of course you have my number.
If anything cool happens out there, I'd love to hear
about it when you do it.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
Yeah, I'm going to see now. I know you can
just buy castine stuff. My wife said from you know,
like some some supply store. I was like, if I
had a castie, I would have casted that.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
They might still be out there. Prince lasts in the
ground quite a long time. They're probably still some sign
of them out there.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
Yeah, So this time we're prepared. We're getting you know,
hiking put on your hiking boots and water and some
casting to cast anything that I see and you know.
So yeah, we're going to go back out in October
during their fall break. So I'll let you all know.
I mean, as long as it doesn't get too close
to me, you know, I'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Beggars can't be choosers or ring Yeah. All right, Well,
unless there's any other last minute questions. I think that's fantastic.
I really appreciate your time coming on. But will you
have anything else before we split?
Speaker 4 (50:33):
No, it's cool, man, I'm glad you're going back.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
And I hope you got a drone chi because that
looks like a great spot for a drone.
Speaker 5 (50:40):
Yes, my kid is hooked now. My kid, even though
he was very scared, He's like, we have to get
a picture. How come nobody's got a clear picture of it?
Like I was like, because they're scared there, it was
not the way you were scared. Is what happens to
most people.
Speaker 4 (50:53):
Yes, he knows why. He's one of the people.
Speaker 5 (50:55):
That didn't exactly. That's what I told him. I thought
you were going to get a picture of anything. He's like, no,
And he has a camera, a Nikon, expensive camera because
he takes pictures of through his telescope of the planets
and stuff, so he has a big camera already. I
was like, what happened to your big camera? Nothing? You know,
So we did have that camera on board that we
(51:16):
could have got, you know, a Nikon with extended lands
and everything. But it's just your brain cannot comprehend. I
don't know, you know. I mean, you know, if you've
seen one, you know your brain doesn't comprehend you know
what it is. Because I can see a zebra here downtown,
you know, say Houston, and be like, oh, that's a zebra.
I know it doesn't belong to Houston, but I know
it's a zebra because I've watched you know, Animal Planet
(51:39):
and Discovery, you know, but this animal cannot comprehend it
no matter where you see it.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Very interesting, Well, irving man, thank you so much for
coming on and sharing your encounter with us. I know
our listener is going to love this. And you got
such a good, close and fairly extended look at this thing.
And most sightings happen over a period of time maybe
a second or two, maybe three, but you had five
or eight seconds of looking at this thing. You could
have practically reached out and kissed it. And you in
(52:06):
your floodlights, you know, on top of it all. So
that's just fantastic. So thank you very much for being
generous with your time and in your experience.
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Yes, which is luck. Maybe we'll have a better picture
or something.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
You've probably better off just saving all that gas. When
he investigated a good thermal instead of driving one thousand
miles each weather, there's stuff much closer to where you live.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
Yes, we got a thermal, we got a thermal camera.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
You're hooked. Well, good luck with that, man, come back,
come back and get us a picture.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
Okay, I will. I'll be out there like you all
trying to get a picture and see what happens.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
Good luck, all.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
Right, Irving, Well, thank you very much for your time.
And yeah, and your story is fantastic account. So if
there's nothing else bobs, you want to get us out
of here, all right?
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Thanks Irving and good luck. In the future. We hope
to hear back for you that you got some evidence.
But until then, folks, y'all, don'ts do keep it squatchy.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
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