Ep. 314 - Alan Sees A Sasquatch!

Cliff Barackman, James "Bobo" Fay, and Matt Pruitt speak with Alan, an Oregon-based sasquatch researcher who had a sighting last year! See the NABC video featuring Alan and one of the locations mentioned here: https://youtu.be/t8HYhrCDM8U?si=xcB85qGo8CAu-ERK

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
Hey, bobes, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (00:32):
Man? Hellbot? You just going on Cliff.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Too much, too much. But before we jump into any
of that, why don't we start with a little bit
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Speaker 3 (00:47):
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Speaker 4 (02:10):
Very good, very good. Well, other than that, bobes, what's
going on man? Anything good?

Speaker 5 (02:15):
I've got out with Bart a couple of nights ago.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Oh that's cool, very good. Yeah, Bar's gonna be popping
by the house on Monday.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
And it is just come out here. The day after that,
we're gonna try to get out for a night.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, we were going to try to get out,
but the rain and then, yeah, the tragedy hit the
Barrickman household. Sochi unfortunately has left us. The cancer got
the better of her. But that's all I really want
to say about that. I don't want to dwell on
it because I cry a whole lot about that, and
I just don't want to focus on that right now.
She was a blessing in so many ways, but she

(02:46):
has now checked out unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
So she was my sister.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Oh my god, she was everything to us.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
So we're going to be leaving town on Tuesday and
Wednesday to kind of get out of the house because
it turns out everywhere we look around here we can
see Sochi. So we're going to try to get out
of the house for a couple of days and try
to get our head together. Otherwise I'd go to the
woods with Bart, but I have some healing to do.
But other than that, I mean, I just got back
from Ohio. Ohio was an amazing gig once again. Great lineup.

(03:13):
Of course, Doctor Meldrum was there. Renee was there, you know,
from fighting Bigfoot. Of course, it's nice to see her
every once in a while on these gigs.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
I'll take me ten years from for people to say, Renee,
I didn't think they end.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
In Oh yeah, well, you know, better late than never.
Shelley coming to Montana was there, of course, and she's
got some cool things to talk about. We might have
her on the podcast in the next couple of months
or something for her second time. There's a lot of
new developments on her front there, so probably have her
back on at some point. Of course. I was speaking
and the lovely intelted Seth reid Loove that we just

(03:47):
had on the podcast a few weeks ago. Great, great lineup,
super fun. I really enjoyed hanging out with everybody. And
of course the Ohio gig is great every year. What
are you gonna say about it?

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Did you catch any of talks? No?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
No, unfortunately I didn't because Ohio's like that, it's just
so busy. I can't even leave the table, you know.
But I did get a lot of one on one
time with all of the speakers. I got to hang
out with the entire Small Town Monsters crew, had dinner
with them one night, and there's not a bad apple
among them, as every single person on that team is
just fantastic. Yeah, they're cool, super cool. I recommended a

(04:23):
movie to them, one of my favorite movies of all time,
of course, The Dark Backwards. Yeah, I highly recommend everybody
watch it. But man, it is not for the faint
of heart. Is It's an odd movie. So and because
of that, I thought, well, Seth was going to love this.
I think, or it might cost us our friendship. I
have no idea what. I have no idea, but I

(04:44):
recommended it to them, and so they're going to check
it out and get back to me on that one.
I had a great breakfast with doctor Meldrum, went over
a lot of things with him, just he and I
at the table, just shooting the poop, talking about various
developments and things we've been up to and all that
kind of stuff. I think my presentation went pretty well.
I enjoyed it. I always enjoy giving the presentation and

(05:04):
kind of sharing. It was great, wonderful time. I'm going
and looking forward to the next time I get to
go out to Ohio for the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, and
of course I'll be out in Ohio later this year
as well for the Hawking Hills thing. Ohio has been
very good to us over the years and a lot
of good people down there, so I'm going to keep
on going back. But now I got a I got

(05:24):
three weeks off before I go do a job out
in Kentucky that Charlie Raymonds put together, and we'll here.
We'll be hearing a little bit more about that in
the coming weeks as well. So this I'm enjoying my
first downtime in like a month. I hate to have
the whole Sochi thing happened during that. I hate to
have the whole Sochi thing happened ever, honestly, But at

(05:46):
least I have a little bit of spare time in
my life so I can process things.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
You know.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, it's a bummer, man. It's like I was. I
ran into my neighbor and I got outside, like around
eleven o'clock, and I was like, since Monkey, I used
to walk around every night like for like a couple
of times, for like twenty thirty minutes at a time
with Monkey, you know, just cruising the hood. So I
kind of had to pull some things. What's going on
at night around around town, And like she's kind of like,

(06:13):
I don't walk the beach that I'd never watched. I
never walked the beach anymore because the slope because my
bad hit at her at HER's too much to walk
on the slope of the beach. I never walked. Like
it totally changed my weape in like ways I wasn't expecting.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, I'm trying to focus on the positive, you know.
And again, also, I literally start crying if I talk
about it too much, so I won't. But I realize,
like as I look around the house and don't see
her in all these places, I realized that those are
the small things, you know. And I'm working really hard
to uh, to not overlook the small things I have

(06:48):
with Melissa or other friends and that sort of thing.
So it's again, so she continues to teach me the
valuable lessons in life.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Yeah, we should move on. I can hear your voice
starting to crack.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah it's not easy, man, I know what.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
You're going through. It it's super hard, and yeah it
takes a while.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yeah, but whatever. And if listeners think, like if they're uncomfortable.
I'm sorry, man, but I'm real. You know, I don't lie.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Our listeners won't be I mean they were very supportive
about Monkey and as well about Sergio and so, which
which reminds me. I mean, now it's the month of May.
We've been doing this for six years officially, and so
and a lot of these people have been with us
since the beginning, you know, managing like the social media
and the email and all that. I see a lot
of the same name since week one, month one basically,

(07:33):
which is really cool. So I think these people understand
for sure, for sure.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
But what else we got?

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I got one interesting mail bag response that I don't
know if it was intended for a future Q and A,
but since it was so timely in response to a
conversation we just had, I thought it would be a
good mail bag item to dig into, so I'll pop
it in the chat here.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Alan Mayer, Greetings, Cliff and Bobo. I'm asking for a
friend who owns a vacation Kevin deep into Wisconsin would
for about ten years there was no evidence of anything
suggesting Bigfoot presence. The last two or three years he
has had sightings and encounters, some very scary. He fears
for his and his family safety and has decided to
list the property for sale. Is he or is real

(08:14):
estate agent morally alligated to tell prospective buyers about the
Bigfoot activity. I've talked to this about this. I don't
know about Wisconsin laws, but I talked about with ones
in California and they said, I guess there are some
precedent setting things about haunted houses and like if there's
been a murder there, he got to list that. But
they said, no, not with Bigfoot.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, I've heard that with the murder and hauntings before.
I think it veries state the state according to laws
like real estate laws. Maybe somebody there might be some
sort of you know, law about sasquatches, but at this point,
you know, there's no laws about leprecawns either, you know,
and for the as far as legally sasquatches or as
real as leprechauns. But is he morally obligated not legally obligated?

Speaker 5 (08:57):
He can sell because of that? I mean, I'd be
a selling point. You know.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
It reminded me, if I remember correctly, the oh Nubby,
Oklahoma House, the Siege House had some things associated with it.
Like there were bars over the windows and these big
like blaring alarm kind of sirens on the roof that
you know, it was never disclosed to the people who
ended up. The brothers and their families who ended up.
I think they were renting. I don't know if they

(09:22):
owned it or not. I could be wrong, but they
were curious, like why is all this here because it
was in the middle of nowhere, you know, why do
you have bars on the windows somewhere in the middle
of nowhere, And so it was kind of wondered if
that's what it was for. And then I also remember,
in the case of the Zubie's story in San Diego County,
apparently when that family bought the home, the previous owners
again if I'm remembering the tail correctly, they had installed

(09:45):
these big bright lights outside and they had told them like,
whatever you do, don't turn these lights off at night.
And apparently they were big and bright and ugly, like
big yellow like halogen bulbs, and they were like, okay, well,
the first thing they did is turn those lights off
at night, and things started coming closer to the house,
you know.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
But so it seems like in those cases maybe the
owners were trying to give subtle hints, didn't Michael with
Michael's mysterious neighbors said the same thing that he had
asked a previous owner, Hey man, why didn't you tell
me about the Sasquatches?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
And he's like, oh, you found out about that? Huh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
I guess is why because in that situation, the proper
the people that Michael and his family bought the property from,
I guess his daughter or some relative lives down the
slope from him, you know, so he was visiting one
day and pop by the house say, hey, figure everything out.
You figure out how the hot tub works and all
that kind of stuff, you know. And I believe it
was Michael's wife that said to him, like, you didn't

(10:41):
tell me about them, And he goes, oh, what do
you mean, because and she goes about them, and then
like a look of understanding went across his face and said, oh, yeah, yeah, no,
we didn't tell you about that, And then they started
talking about it, so he knew he knew. Basically, I
kind of wonder when I was looking for the property
that I currently own, going through the real estate listenings,

(11:01):
or I occasionally still do in case I ever have
to move or something, but I don't intend to. I
see places out in very squatchy locations that I'm pretty
confident they would have sasquatches around, and very often those
kind of properties say you know, seclusion, this that wildlife,
And I'm thinking, I think that that's like a code
word for yeah, we got these things around. But if

(11:23):
they just came out and said it, I would maybe
sell my house and move today. I don't know, but
morally obligated, I think I think that, you know, for
certain people, it would be morally wrong to not tell
me because I would want to buy that property.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
I thought that was a good comment and a timely one.
And then, in response to last Monday's episode, wherein Bobo
had told young Toby quote, send in another question, kid,
and I'll answer it. I give you this, Hello.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
You, I'm beyond it is me again, Toby. I would
like to give a further question to the last, specifically
to b because some reason he's in the ground. Anyway,
a human's heart is roughly the size of their fist.
Do you think a bigfoot's heart is roughly the size
of their fist? I'd love to hear, especially from Bobo

(12:16):
thank you well.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
I don't think that goes true for all species that
like the hand or the power or the hoof would
match the heart size. But in mammals there is you know,
a rule or law of nature that for mammals there
is a correlation of body mouse and heart size, particularly
of human fist, because human fists, i mean the human
hands is so much smaller in proportion to the body size. Well,

(12:39):
at least from the some of the clips we've seen,
their hand size might be bigger proportion than the heart size.
Like great age champs, gorillas orangutans and bonobo's have hands
that are proportionally larger and longer than human hands, especially
in the fingers or hands are adapted for knuckle walking
and brecreation. Like givens and ragutans how they swing arm

(13:02):
above their heads and they swing through the trees. Their
fists at their class are much larger relative of their
body size than in humans, and their hands are broader,
have longer fingers, makes their fist bulk here compared like
the human fist is really compact. So the heart is
the size of a fist role as a human centric simplification.
In grade apes, the heart is much smaller than the

(13:23):
fist and built. The hands and hearts of non human
apes are structurally and functionally different from ours due to
divergent evolutionary pressures, which you could expand to the Sasquatch
as well. Agreed.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, when I heard this, the first thing that came
to my mind is the idea that were the fact
that homofluresiensis has much larger feet in proportion of their
body than we would expect from mouhaminin. And then I
reflected back on Krantz's speculation. Of course, Krantz's book was
written in ninety two or ninety one or something, so
we knew a lot less about you know, jenes and

(13:56):
stuff at that time. But he kind of speculated that
maybe hand and foot size might be controlled by the
same gene. And I don't know if that's true or not,
if that actually panned out to be true or not.
I have no idea, but that's the first thing that
came to my mind, is like, different species clearly have
different ratios of hand and foot sizes versus mass and everything.
But I think if you go back to that thing
that you were talking about, both like the heart size

(14:17):
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to hop over to our interview now, which actually we
recorded yesterday two days a couple of days ago. Anyway,

(16:59):
we had to record in the NABC like the old
days when I did all the podcasts back there, because Alan,
our guest for today, and I were huddled around a
singular microphone because of his technological situation. So what you're
going to hear now we recorded just recently and we're
going to pipe it in right now for your enjoyment.
I hope everybody loves our interview with Alan today. Why

(17:20):
don't we hop into our guest today. He's a good
friend of mine. I've known him for several years. He's
kind of turned me onto a couple of big foot spots,
and I've done the same for him. Probably I think
he's had better luck with it than I have, perhaps
in some ways. But this is Bobo, This is my
friend Alan.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
They nice to meet you, Boba.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Let's reach you too.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah, so's You can probably tell he's not from the
United States, but that he's into bigfoot and he hangs out.
He's a regular at the NABC, he's one of our members.
But Alan, where were you born?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I was born in Windsor, Windsor in the UK. Yes,
in the UK, just outside London, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
No bigfoots out there, right.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Absolutely not. The most dangerous thing we have is like
a hedgeholder or a badger. That's about it.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Well, badgeris I'll keep on badgering you if you're not careful. Right.
And when did you come to the States.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
We emigrated in nineteen eighty nine. We had our first
incident in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
In nineteen eighties, nine years before you left, Yes, UK.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
I came out to meet my future in laws and
they always camped and fished on the Santiam River near
sort of near Detroit Lake Marion Forks, and so we
went sort of for a day camp. They started lighting
the fire. Me and Karen went about a mile up
the bank fishing, and we were there for probably fifteen

(18:40):
minutes and we heard bang, man man, man crash in
the brush behind us. Karen just ran and said, bare run.
So I grabbed the fishing poles. I looked back and
about six foot up in a tree, I saw a
sort of the forearm and the fingers of like a
black hairy arm just bashed like a small branch off.

(19:01):
And then I just ran as well and get back
to her mum and dad. And my question was do
you have monkeys in America? Well, they just laughed at me.
I said, oh, you saw a bear. I said, well,
I saw fingers. I know, I saw fingers, and didn't
know anything about sasquatch, didn't know anything about bluff charges,
you know, so I sort of believed that it was
a bear. But I know I saw I saw four fingers.

(19:21):
I didn't see a thumb, and it was a black
hairy arm about three inches of hair hanging down. And
that was like our first experience. They told me it
was a bear, but I saw fingers and bears other fingers,
you see finger nails, No I saw like it what
it's forty five years ago, but I remember seeing like
the black like that much of that, like the forearm

(19:43):
down and the back of the hand was like a
leathery skin type thing. Didn't see a thumb, but just
four fingers go crash and break the branch off. What
was a distance, Oh, this was about probably twenty feet away.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Well that's close.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, and we've just looked saw it quick and we ran.
We went back about two hours later just because Grandpas
saed it off, it's a it's a bear, it's a bear.
We went back, didn't look for footprints because I didn't
know anything about bigfoot, and he found some scratch marks
on the tree, which he said that's a bear because
they scratched for grubs and stuff. So they they said
it was a bear. But I know what I saw

(20:21):
and six feet up in a tree, that's yeah. And
it broke a branch off. It went like boom and
broke like a one one each time at a little
branch off as it did it, and then we just ran.
But it was like a train coming through. It was
like crash crash, crash crash. So I'm assuming it was
a bluff charge, but SA.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
And you would never I mean in the UK you
don't hear about bigfoot ever.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I hadn't know. It was just all soccer and darts
and beer drinking, okay, normal normal English stuff.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
You must have heard about the Yeah, yeah, yeah, we heard.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Of a Yeah. Yeah, you'd be thinking Himalaya. It's not Oregon,
right right. So I had no clue. So we went
back lived there for nine years. Then we started doing
some research, getting books, some library and stuff like that.
Then I started to think, well, maybe it was a
big foot or a sasquatch. And when we came back
in eighty nine, and back in the day it was

(21:10):
the Western Bigfoot Society. Ray Crow did the track record,
so we would get that every month, and our kids
were like one and five. We would go every weekend
in the woods. We'd look them in the brochure recent
sightings in certain areas. We would try to get out
in all those areas. We've sort of done that for
thirty odd years, thirty five years since we've been back.
We get out most weekends if we can.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah, you're still going to good, great areas.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, so that's the first story.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, So I'm assuming you and Karen both know now
that you're not supposed to run from bears.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, she said, run, I had no clue.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Well, yeah, yeah, you do what your check once you
do get At the same time, that's not the smartest
thing to do.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
And we didn't catch any fish either.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
I was going to point out that there's a big
fish hatchery there Mary in Forks where you saw that
right right across from the campground.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's it's a popular area there, like for there's been
sightings and stuff for years in the area.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Got to wonder if there is now though, because the
fire is really dead slated the area.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
We went back four or five years ago. The first
time went back because Karen's dad passed and we sprinkled
his ashes in the river and it just looked different.
This was there's like a like a visit a center
thing with placards, but the campground used to be you
camp further in the woods, so it's a bit different
that we remember that. But it wasn't really devastating in
that area. It was okay, yeah, it was okay.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Okay, yeah, because the twenty twenty the fires went through
there and.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Just really through that Sanya.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
It was terrible, just absolutely devastating.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well, okay, so fast forward. Then you started looking for
sasquatches going out of hiking in good areas, which is
a great way to do, you know, bigfoot stuff, because
we always recommend that you go for a different reason
because sasquatches aren't usually there, but if you go to
have a good time, or if you go to have
a good hike, or if you go to go fishing,
that stuff is always there. It's available.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
We hike probably nearly every weekend. We'll go. You know,
we live in Clacamus, so within and hour we have
Mount Hood, the Clacamus River Drainage Area, and we have
the Columbia River Gorge, which are really three fantastic areas
for bigfooting and for hiking and just having fun, you know.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
And one of the other things I know you're interested in, Michael,
some archaeology, some amateur archaeology. You kind of keep me
up to date on some of that. You found. You're
aware of some petroglyphs in the Columbia River Gorge. Oh yeah, yeah,
and you think they might depict sasquatches.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
There's two if you go to horse Horseleef Park, which
is on the Washington side, and it's about five miles
past the DALs On the Washington side, there's it's called
Petroglyph Park and there's a whole bunch of petrocliffs behind
a fence. But they've put two new ones and it's
it's like a headland sideways but it's doing the like

(23:48):
the Whistling Mouth and the Zumica that's what they look like.
There's two of them there.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
So, well, that's interesting. That's not that far of a
drive either.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
No, No, it's not. No, So that's sort of sort
of a cool thing.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
That is cool. That's cool. So you're one of the
people that kind of clued me into one of our
research areas. Hre at the NABC tell us about what
happened up there, because it was you, a researcher that
we met that sil works the area, and then another
family all within like four or five months, came in
with stories from this area, and I had worked that

(24:19):
area before and whatnot. We started poking around up there
and we started finding stuff and I still go there
several times a month as of right now. But one
of the incidents that gave us the idea we should
start looking there more closely was yours. So what happened
that day.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
What we did it was I'm trying to think it
was later in the year, because there was bits of
snow on the ground, and it was me, my son,
my two grandkids, and my wife. It was closed off
because of the fires, and my son said, I'm sure
we can climb over the barrier. We just walk in
a few miles with the kids, it'll be safe. So
we go in there. We got like a mile or

(24:56):
so in and all of a sudden we hid. It's like, like,
well I told you earlier if if Shane has the
act the same thing on recording, it's like a grunt thing.
We heard up up above us, and we heard it
do it twice, and my son said, well, we need
to leave, dad, So we got the kids out there
and left, and then I came in and told you,

(25:17):
and we sort of got that map out and I
sort of said where it was, and you said, yeah,
we led people up there, and yeah, that was that
was sort of a scary thing as well.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Now was it you who heard? I have I have
a story in my head from that area, and I
don't remember it's you family out cutting Christmas trees or
maybe sledding or something and hearing voices down in the
ravine or.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Is that the other story is the other one, because
that was the other I think within a week or
two they heard like samurai chattered down in the ravine
or something there or something like that. Yeah, that's but
that was all within a few weeks of this, Okay,
this incident, So yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
That's why I'm remembering it together like that. You've had
a couple experiences at the Blueberry Bog, which, Bobbo, you've
been to before a couple of times. Yeah, some pretty
crazy stuff happened that with you.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
What happened the first one that we were just going
to do father some weekend camping up at the Blueberry Bark.
It was freezing cold. It was like October right a
year ago, October October seventh. Yeah, I'll never forget. I'll
never forget that day. It was freezing cold. There was
a campfire ban because of the forest fires. So we're
up there just freezing our asses off, and we were

(26:21):
going to go big footing, so we had we didn't
have any recording equipment then now we've got it, but
we just had cameras and whatever, and we put our
two tents at the very end of the bog right
by the lake, set up camp on the Friday. The
first night, nothing happened. We went the bed around ten o'clock.
It was just bitterly cold, and about twelve thirty I
heard a clear crack a tree knock. And then that

(26:45):
was on like the left hand side, looking at Mount Hood,
and on the right hand side I heard like a woo,
like a it appeared to be a response to the knock. Well,
then I'm thinking, and we're dreaming. You know, this is
what we've come for, so get up. The next morning,
my son gets out of his tent. The first thing
he said, Dad, did you hear the knock? And the
response I said, yes, I did, so we knew that

(27:06):
was something we didn't imagine. Next day we hike. We
hike up to a quarry, then we hike down to
a big meadow in the same sort of area. Had
a great day. At about six o'clock in the evening,
we'd eating our dinner at by the side of Little
Eight by our tents, and Aaron thought he heard He said,
I'm sure I've heard women's voices over by the cars.

(27:26):
And the cars are like, you cross that little meadow
and go down, it's probably two hundred yards away. He
so justs go check on the cars.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Dad.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
There was no one up there. We go check on
the cars. There was nothing there, but he heard these, he
thought women's voices. So we go back to our seats
and we're just sitting over on the beer and just relaxing.
And it was eight fifteen. There was a full moon,
So I don't know if the full moon has anything
to do with creatures getting crazy. Aaron's looking over my
shoulder at the tree line and he said, I've just

(27:56):
seen something.

Speaker 8 (27:57):
Dad.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
I said, what did you see? He said, well, it
was out the corner of my eye. Something came out
of the tree line around about forty yards down and
went back in really really quickly. He said it was
dark colored, he said brown or black. But it was
getting dark now. But you had a four moon ye,
so you could see a shape. Yeah, And he said
it was on two legs and it was at least
six maybe seven feet tall. So we got a flashlights

(28:20):
to be shot it on the trees. We couldn't see anything.
Then we just go back to so just sitting chatting
looking at the stars and whatever, and all of a sudden,
it was fifteen minutes later. It was right at eight
point thirty, we got this the most terrifying scream. I
never want to hear it again. It was a cross
between a woman being ripped apart, a banshee, a Native

(28:40):
American war create. It was like rah, and it was
only I'm assuming it was in the tree line because
it was so loud. It went through your chest at
a rock concert, you felt it in your body. And
it did it for like seven or eight seconds.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
One continued scream.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
On and on, and we were just eval Era jumped
straight up. I won't say use the language you use.
He said, we're out of here, Dad. That thing could
rip us apart. And as he's jumped up, I thought
it was further down the tree line. He thought it
was on the ridge. We heard a three like almost
like a monkey gorilla noise up on the ridge. Whether
that was in response or it had triggered something else off,

(29:19):
I don't know. And we literally left everything. We left
the cameras, the tents, we just left everything there in
the middle of the night, and we got out of
the quick and it's a bit of a pain to
get into this place. But so we came home in
the middle of the night and we're sitting on the
couch and my wife goes, I cannot believe you've come home.
We said, it was terrifying. She said, this is exactly

(29:40):
what you went for and we said, wow, not that
it really wasn't what we went for. And so she
was a bit disgusted with us being wooses.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
I'm sure audience will be disgusted with you as well.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I'm sure when we do the last story, Bobo said
I needed to grow a fair anyway, So I remember that. Bobo.
By the way, I hope you we have.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
So the next morning we go back early because we
wanted to get all our gearback.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah, like, how much money did you leave out there?

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Oh, there was probably at least a couple of grand
or those cameras are worth cameras in the tents and
sleeping bags and everything.

Speaker 9 (30:26):
So yeah, because there's your sons are it takes semi
professional photographer and he takes really good pictures into it. Yeah,
he's got really good cameras and whatever. Okay, anyway, so
we go back the next morning. My wife wanted to
come with us because she thought it was so exciting
and we were just petrified. We broke camp as fast
as you could ever break camp, and we're looking over
our shoulders the whole time.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
There was no footprints. The ground was really hard, like
from the frost, so we didn't see any footprints. Nothing
was damage, which was good, and we broke camp as
quick as we could. Karen's looking around, She's looking down
the tree line, but there was you know. We're like,
I'm going to hear the trees come back. And then
we put all the stuff in the car and come
back out to make sure we'd cleaned it all up.

(31:08):
And we hadn't done any tree knocks or whoops the
whole weekend. I said, I'm going to do a couple
of whoops as we leave.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
So daytime, morning time.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
This is like nine o'clock in the morning on the
Sunday morning. So I do a whoop, nothing happens, do
another whoop, nothing happens. We the three of us turned
to walk away and there was a really loud tree
not like crash, like a seemed to be in response
to the to the whoops. I'm assuming or something was
watching us and knew we were leaving. I don't really know,

(31:35):
but it seemed to be too much of a coincidence.
I said, we heard up there, because then Karen said, well,
they're still here, and we said, yeah, we're not. We're going.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
So did Karen call you a whist then too? No?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
She she she became a she's always believed, but that
really really cemented it there, and she's she's wanted to
go up there more than me. We didn't want to
go the next year either. And then Cliff, I remember that, well,
I guess long story short. We go back to the
NABC and we told I think Conner was working. We
told this whole thing to Connor and he said he'd

(32:07):
had a similar event. Something came out in the same
corner and went down the tree line when he was
up there year or two before, and he ripped his
tent up trying to get out of there. He said,
at least she was smart, you left your stuff and
now it's okay. So we didn't know that story. But
and then Cliff went up a couple of days later
with Kelly and you recorded a vocalization, yeah, which was

(32:27):
probably sounded further away, but it was a vocalization. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
But it was shortly after that that I called our
friend Kelly Lemieux, that bass player friend that I liked
going bigfooting with, and he and I went up to
the bog to do a follow up to see if
we can find tracks or to see if we can
piece together what had happened. Then we made a member
of video out of it, because everybody knows our members
get a couple of videos every single month. But the
last six months or so, I've been putting old member

(32:54):
videos on a public YouTube page for the Museum North
American Bigfoot Center YouTube page, and that is one of
the videos that we have up there. It's Kelly's in
my follow up with Alan, and Alan here is seen
on the video telling the same story and then you
can kind of see the area of what we were doing,
and it's just, you know, Cliff and Kelly goofing around

(33:14):
in the woods basically. But we got an unsolicited vocalization
that same day and we recorded it. It's pretty cool.
It sounded like a screech Kelly, who's pretty unfamiliar with
a lot of animal noises. Said it sounded like an
eagle or something like that, but it was ground level
and loud and from the swamps. I don't think it
was an eagle. I think it was one of these guys.

(33:35):
That could be wrong, but we definitely got a vocalization.
But that night it sounded like you had Knox and
vocalizations and a possible Class B sighting of some.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Sorry, and it obviously didn't want us there. That was
our opinion. Maybe because we can't right on the lake
and in the trees, maybe these things get pissed. I
don't know, but it was like it was horrendous. I
never want to hear that again. It was horrible and
you felt it. You didn't just hear it, you felt
it like through. That was the scariest thing. So Aaron said,

(34:05):
that thing can just rip us apart. Dad, we're leaving now,
and we did. We got out of there real quick.
So we said we'd never go again. Well, the next
the very next week, you played the recording. I was
in my car with Karen and you said, I've got
this recording.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I said, that's sort of like it? And you said, well,
you guys really should go back up there again, and
me and Karen went up the very next week just
to look around. We didn't find anything, but so we
did go back, and then the very next year we
had recording equipment. We had everything we needed and nothing happened.
As far as we thought, nothing had happened. On the

(34:39):
Saturday night, we'd gone back to our car to get
some beers out of the car and we would stick
them in the lake to keep them cool and regular evening,
you know, we see the Milky Way at night. It
was really cool but freezing cold. Nothing happened. We go
to the car Sunday morning after we broke camp and
there's all this debris in the road by the car.
There's like broken tree branches and dragmark.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
In the road that was there when you drove in.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Now it was not then we drove in and we'd
been there on the Saturday night and it was like Christine,
the only car tracks were our tire tracks or we
pulled in and now there was a couple of small
trees at the side of the car that were like
pushed back, and it appeared to be there was like
a tree trunk, probably ten or twelve inch diameter ten

(35:21):
feet long. It looked like it had been hurled into
the woods right by the car because it was broken down.
That wasn't the day before. So we thought this is
odd because we didn't hear anything. And then we looked down.
There's a dirt road into the bog. There was a
drag mark all the way down the center of the
dirt road. So we follow that to the main forest road,

(35:41):
which is like a tarmac one, and you could see
for at least one hundred and fifty yards up the
main road a dragon mark. Was someone or something and
dragged this great, big log and held it in by
the car. I don't know. I mean, a human's not
going to do that. It would take several of us
to lift it. And why would you do it? I
can't that's bigfoot related, but I don't know what what

(36:02):
it was. And Keith. Keith and Nico had been up
there on the Thursday and they'd seen the tree laying
at the side of the road before it was dragged down,
So so something had moved that tree from there. It
had to have been during Saturday night Sunday morning.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, so while you were there, something went and grabbed
this tree. From one hundred and fifty yards away dragged it,
like because you could see the drag marks down the.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Paved road photos of it.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, yeah, you remember that the paved road that goes
into that spot, Bobo. And then you hang it right
on that dirt road that you drove on the Finding
Bigfoot episode.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Yeah, that that.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Cement road had one hundred yards plus of drag marks
from this tree. The tree was then dragged on this
on the dirt road down another fifty yards or something
like that. And then oh, so that's the one you
told me about before.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, it was right next to the car, which is yeah,
I saw the pictures. Yeah, I don't know if if
they don't want us there, I mean i'd say not
so we thought nothing happened, but something happened, but we're not.
We didn't. We didn't hear anything. It just just the
next morning that was there.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
That's even scarier to me though, like it's like, oh,
nothing was going on. There was a dead weekend, and
you get back and you see giant logs dragged around
and thrown near your car that you were completely unaware of.
That's even scarier.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
It was like doing a crime scene thing it's like,
well it sees drag mark or down the road and
then it was like on the on the tree that
where had been held and see that's what we've done
it and you could see it all the way down
the top of that road.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
Very odd.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
And so Matt, do we have pictures of that? Would
you want to post that to the members or absolutely, okay,
I'll get you those pictures not too long. We can
post those to the members. And of course anybody who
wants to be a member, you can join up and
get episodes like this free with with no commercials and
an extra hour every single week. So I'm sure Matt
will post a link to the membership sign up thing

(37:54):
as well. So have you guys heard it? Have you,
Matt Bobo? Have you guys heard of that kind of
behavior where next to your vehicles something that has been
deposited seemingly out of disgust of your presence. I mean,
this is bigfooting, not like a date or something like that.

Speaker 10 (38:10):
Not really, I mean I've heard tons of stories about
them doing that, like on the road, like you came
in on and you go to the next day and
the stuff's there like cross like an X cross road
with logs or branches whatever, but not right next to
the vehicle like that.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
That was weird. I still think it was a squash though. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (38:26):
Usually in the context that I've heard it, it's been
like Bobo described, like somewhere, you know, across the road,
you drive in and the road's clear, and then you
go to drive out, you know, minutes or an hour
later road.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, certainly.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah, it's kind of unusual behavior, and I think that's
very interesting. And at this spot. I mean, Matt, have
you been to the bog? I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I have not been to the bog.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Okay, Well, I know Bobo has a couple of times.
There are sasquatches there. Maybe not all the time, but
they definitely pop by there. And this, of course, that's
a big area as well. You know, it's another one
of these five or eight miles area on the side
on the side sort of places. But there are sasquatches there.
I found tracks are twice last summer. We have prints
in the museum on display from a few years ago

(39:07):
at the same location. Yeah, there are definitely sasquatches in
the area. I've been frequenting the spot for a number
of years now. And have a bunch of recordings. We've
got stuff on finding Bigfoot when we visited there, it's
that episode where Flear came out and Bobo was in
a car with driving slow at the R two D
two unit on top and I was walking around the
edge of the swamp and stuff. So it's a very

(39:29):
active area even to this day, although nobody's been there
this year yet. I don't think the snow's opened them up.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I think last year nothing happened. Last year when we went,
it really was nothing. No recording has known nothing but Keith.
I think Keith said he went two weeks later and
he thought he saw something on the therm all in
the area.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was last year. The
year before he may have seen one there as well.
He thought it was a rock, yeah, but when he
looked again it was not there. So yeah, So it's
a weird area, very eerie and very quiet.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Oh when it's you just don't hear a thing, not
a bird, nothing, even like in the daytime. It can
be really creepy out there.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
And I do think that's a place that that's a
perfect description for the kinds of places they like. I'm
telling you I really think that they like the quiet
places more than almost anything else. Well, that didn't end
your bigfoot stuff. You actually put your eyes on one
of these things this past year, right.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, we'd never done a hike on the Oregon coast
and so it was my West's birthday, so it was
September and we went. It was a wilderness area north
of Florence, and we did a bit of research. There
was a brewery there and I had a big foot
shirt on. The bartender saw my bigfoot shirt and she said,

(40:47):
are you a believer? I said yeah, and she said
I never was my husband is I am? Because I
saw one? So I said, where did you see one?
And there's a river comes all through the woods into
the ocean, and she said. I was driving the work.
We lived fourteen miles back in the woods, so I
was like three miles from town. And then I thought,
what is that idiot doing splashing on the water early

(41:07):
in the morning. So I slowed down and looked, and
it was a seven foot tall, black, hairy creature just
slapping its hands on the water in the river, in
the river, standing in the river, just splashing its hands.
And she says, well, because she called her husband. He
was pissed because he's never seen one and she had.
And so then we'd looked at some BFI reports reports

(41:27):
in the area and we thought, well, this is a
good area. Me and you had a beer and you
said you'd taken people out there and had experiences in
this area. So we figured that's a great place to
do a hike. And just you know, it's a squatchy area.
You know, it's a million to one shot. And so
we go into the forestry area because I'd read some
stuff online it said the road in it's a two

(41:49):
and a half mile road in and you basically go
up all these switchbacks to the trailhead. It says, the
most awful road you'll ever drive on. Leave your car
at the bottom. Well, we thought, if we do that,
that's five miles there and back just to the trailhead.
You know, we're getting older, we're not doing that. So
we were going to drive that. But I go to
the forest guy and I said, how bad is the road?

(42:10):
And I told him where we were going. He'as oh,
went up there in my Honda. That's a great road.
I went, really, he said, oh, yeah, great road. I said,
are you sure and that there was two hikes half
a mile apart. One was the ridge hike, one was
the creek hike. He was talking about the creek hike.
I said, I get a mapper. I said, it's this one.
It's the ridge hike. He went, oh, I wouldn't go
on that road. No, you can't drive that road. Thank god.

(42:32):
We asked anyway. We drove a mile and a quarter up.
Then the road got really sketchy and we go early,
so it's barely light and I couldn't see. There was
a big drop on the side. We've only got one vehicle.
We can't go over the side. So we left the
car and we walked the last mile and the quarter.
Get to the top. There's a young guy pull him

(42:54):
out in the suber at the trailhead and he was
shot that. He said, where you guys walk from? I said, well,
about a mile and a half away. He said, did
you leave your car at the sketchy spot? I said, yes,
I did. He said, if you're real careful, you can
go almost over the edge and get around it. That's
what he'd done. We're not doing that in the dark.
But he thought we were mushroom pickers. He said, oh,

(43:16):
there's so many mushrooms. Are you looking for mushrooms? I said, no,
we're looking for sasquats, joking, And then he looked a
bit worried. He said, less slept here all night in
my car. He was a little bit worried. I said, well,
did you hear or see anything? He said, not a thing,
absolutely nothing. So then we say goodbye, an he left
and it was really overgrown trail. I mean people hardly
go up there. It was really overground. We found the

(43:37):
trail and once you got a mile or so up
it opened out a little bit, so it was quite comfortable.
We're still a single track and you've got like a
deep ravine on your right hand side, and on the
left hand side you've got like a twenty foot bank,
and you're going along just below the ridge. And we'd
gone it was about two and a half miles, and

(43:57):
we looked ahead and you could see a saddle area
where the bank on our left disappeared, and it was
just an open, an open top ridge, and we could
see the wind blowing through bushes move in and Karen's like,
she's always like twenty yards behind me, and we're just
plodding along and I'm looking ahead. Nothing there. I just
looked down at my feet because we're always looking make

(44:19):
sure we don't trip over. I look up again and
as I look out, I jumped. Karen saw me jump.
I said, what is it? And I said, I've just
seen something. She said, what was it? I said, Well,
it seemed to be about three or four feet tall,
completely black, and it took one step and was gone.
So it was from our point of view, it was
going from left to right, like I come up over

(44:40):
the ridge and was going down the other side. But
I literally literally saw this little black figure on two legs.
But it was like a kid. And had we been
at a campground or a populated trail, you'd have thought
it was a small kid like my grandkid in a hoodie,
just black from head to foot. So I think, I
think I've just seen one. And it sort of shook

(45:01):
us up a little bit, so we we'd go running
up there. We looked to where it had gone. It
was really thick brush going down into like a ravine,
so we couldn't get down there. And we look at
the other side. It was quite a wide game trail
where it had come from. I'm assuming didn't find any footprints.
Spent probably thirty minutes just looking around trying to get
any evidence, and I made Karen stand where I saw it.

(45:25):
Then I went back to where I saw it, and
I could see a white skin, blonde hair, orange coat. Great,
I can see every color, whereas this thing was just
jet black from head to foot and just two legs.
It wasn't like the back of the bed. It was
like a little round head. I guess it's like a
little Murphy.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Now you have grandchildren,
how old if it was a human, how old would
you say that child?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
It would be about My youngest grandson is seven, so
it would be probably eight year old. And then so
I got Karen to stand now, I said, you're too tall,
duck down, back down. So she duck down to exactly
what I saw, and it was about three to three
and a half feet. But I only saw it for

(46:24):
you know, like a blink of an I like a
second second and a half and it was like and
I sort of went whoa. It made me jump because
it shouldn't have been there. And it just took a
step and was gone. And so then we spent thirty
or forty minutes looking around and couldn't find anything. We
go about another half a mile and we said, well,
let's go back. Maybe it's going to come back, who knows.
We come back, there's nothing, and we got about forty

(46:47):
yards past the spot and there's a lot of massive
sicker spruce trees out there. Charenter, there's something up in
this tree. You could hear branches breaking, and it was
way up, but we could not see the thing. We
had binoculars. We did all we could to see what
was up this tree making it. It wasn't like a squirrel,
it was like loud noises, but it's way up in
the top of the tree. So we're there for about

(47:08):
ten minutes trying to get sight on this thing. And
then below in the ravine we hear that awful cougar
noise where they make like a whistley screamy. Yeah, it's
a weird noise. We hear that, and Karen said, that's it.
I'm not staying here. We'll even so as we walked away.
Then we then we had the only tree knock of
the whole the whole trip. We got a tree knock
as we walked away.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
From that same spot where the cougar noise was.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yes, so so well, you told me that your friend
is sinner sasquatch mimica a cougar, cougar? Could it have
been the mum? Maybe the baby was up the tree
and the mum mimic the cougar. And did the tree
knock when we left? I don't that's your speculation. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Yeah, the tree knock is very compelling, and of course
the cougar noise, I mean, the most reasonable suggestion is
that it was a cougar.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
That's that's what we thought. But you can knock.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
But think about Lance, you know, the guests that we
had on whatever episode that was, He said he had
eyes on the sasquatch and it made cougar noises.

Speaker 5 (48:05):
Yea.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
So it was clearly imitating a cougar. And we've talked
about that a lot in the show. How about sasquatches
being good mimics. Just this past week, somebody reported that
car door slamming again up on Lolo Pass Road. Oh yeah,
two and a half miles back on some trail up there,
so I think it's safe to say sasquatches are almost
certainly excellent mimics. So was that indeed a sasquatch or

(48:26):
was that indeed a cougar? But the knock coming outterwards,
that's the.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Thing, and we know the trade kmark it was a cougar,
and we would leave it anyway. We weren't stand around
with a cougar.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
But yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
That was And then I called you and you said, well,
you know what you saw, And I'm like, I didn't
see it for long enough to know. It wasn't like
seeing Patty walk across the field. It was so quick.
But there's nothing else it could have been. I mean,
it couldn't have been a kid. I mean, there's no
one out We were the only ones out there.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
So yeah, a black furry figure on two legs and
half feet tall. You saw a little roundhead and the
most horrifying thing in the woods, a baby sasquatch. That
wasn't the end of it, if I remember correctly, because
didn't you go back to a different trail the next day?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
We were this was the weirdest thing we've ever experienced.
It was the other trail, Like how far away from
the mean trails half a mile to a mile from
this trail. This is the creek trail and the same thing.
We get there real early, it's barely light. Get we
get out of the car. Immediately we hear a cougar.

(49:27):
So Karen's no, I don't you know. We don't like
going if there's cougar. So I said, just just wait.
We'll wait a minute. We go back in the car
and she said, we'll get the thermal out. We'll have
a look with the thermal, so don't see anything. Then
then we hear on the ridge crack crack crack, lots
of branches snapping. No idea what it was, but it
was loud. And then we hear another cougar sound from

(49:51):
the other side of the trail. So apparently we had
two cougars. Lots of tree snaps at the top like
crack crack, crack crack, and then we had one tree
in the middle. And we got in and out of
the car twice. We kept getting the thumb all out
and I said, oh, it was a creepy wood as well,
a lot of whole growth. We hadn't been there before.
I said, oh, I think we should go back to
the hotel. That's our that's the Kena. She said, oh,

(50:12):
we have to do it maybe, And then at the
end of it, I said, well, let's do the woop thing.
And it was still something was breaking, maybe it was
a bear treading on stuff, but it was loud. Now
we're the only ones there and it's early in the morning,
so it echoes anyway, and so so we did a
couple of whoops and the whole forest went silent. Never
heard another thing all day long, and we ended up

(50:35):
hiking ten or twelve miles. We didn't realize this singing
up over ridges and we were in the middle of
nowhere and we heard this incredible elk bugle and we
both said, that's made the whole trip. We've never heard
that in real life. And we're really excited. And we
get to the top of the ridge. Two bow hunters
come out of the come out of the bushes with
a bow. I said, what are you doing? They said,

(50:56):
what are you doing? Because we're older, we're way out.
They where did you come from? I said, the trailhead?
You went really well? Yeah, I said, does it keep
going up? He said, you're almost at the top. He said, well,
we're you know, have you seen it? And I said no,
but we heard the coolest one. You went, I'm real
sorry that was me and it was like, oh so disappointment.
But anyway, but.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
You saw a sasquatch that weekend and it didn't so
there you go.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
So that was that was our story.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Very good. Yes, this area is a is a great spot.
I went on a bfro O expedition that Chris Minier
hosted many years ago and brought people into this particular
area and ran across one. I got knocks and some
other loud noises and such. Didn't didn't see it. Unfortunately.
I kind of wonder if that saddle was the same

(51:43):
one that I ran into one on, but the pictures
look so different, right, I doubt. But it's been a
long time great area though, Holy smoke's a really good area.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
So we're going to do the same thing. We're going
to do the Blueberry Bug the same time, me and
my son, and we're going to go back to her
birthday weekend at the same spot. I think these things
are in the same spots year after year after year.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Yeah, I would think so too. It seems like you
married well.

Speaker 5 (52:05):
Yes, big time.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, she deserves the metal.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Very good.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
Good job on that one.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
It was actually on a sixty fifth birthday. I got
Cliff to sign one of the sasquatch posters in the
museum and it was signed by the artist and I
gave it to a for a birthday up at the
Blueberry Bug. That's a really cool picture. She's all proud,
but it's science. That's a picture up in the Blueberry Bug.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
That's a good date. So the one that you saw
the little guy, how fast was it moving, because I
know you only got a second or so.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I literally just saw it go like it was. It
was fast, so I'm assuming it maybe heard us coming
and just ran across the ridge.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
I'm assuming so the amount of time you were looking
down before you put your head up again, that was
enough time for it to clear that.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yes, because it wasn't very wide up there the saddle area.
It was probably only it's not not even the length
of this room, so not even twenty feet no, no,
And it went down really steep and really thick brush. Yeah,
maybe the thing was just hiding down there.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Yeah, if it was still running, you probably would have
heard it.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
So, yeah, there was no noise. We as soon as
two or three seconds.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Then we rushed down there to see if we could
see anything. There was no sound whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
And how far did you say that was between you
and the creature.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
It's got to be about thirty yards or like one
hundred feet, okay something like that.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Yeah, enough far at all?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
No, no, And like I said, when Karen got in
the same position, I could see everything, the color, but
she was standing there posing or is this thing just
it was gone?

Speaker 4 (53:33):
So yeah, just thin and scrawny like a little boy.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
It wasn't bulky whatsoever. It was just like like baby Murphy.
That's not really bulky. That's like, yeah, it's pretty like gamely. Yeah,
it was sort of like that, and just two legs.
Round head did have a rounded head. Yeah. It wasn't
like a hat or anything. It was like a little
rounded head.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
So no saginal crests in otherwise, which makes sense because
it hasn't been developed yet.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Just a little roundhead.

Speaker 7 (53:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I mean I wish I'd had longer to see it.
It was just like so quick.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Yeah, so I remember when you called me so I
don't know what it was as well. You'll see there's
describe it again, hairy upright, covered in hair, three feet tall.
It was had to be a baby sasquatch.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
I don't know what it was, but at the time
you're like in a bit of a panic. It's like,
you know, yeah, it was funny because like what else
could it be? Yeah, I know, you know, I mean,
you've said Plainer's day. It was on two late.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
It was two legs, and it was like a small child.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, And like I'm saying, it was such a quick glimpse.
Had we been at a campground and probably said that
I was a kid running across in the hood, but
it was when Karen stood there at the same distance,
I could see every color and this thing was jet
black from head to foot. So yeah, And it wasn't
like the back end of the bed. There was like
a gap before the tree and then it just went.
So it wasn't like the back end of something that

(54:47):
was hiding in behind the tree. It was just a
a little person.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
Yeah, a little person. And we're just talking a few
weeks ago how scary little ones would be versus big ones.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Too, so less the big one screams out there.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Yeah, for the record, to say, a big one's a
lot scarier than a small one.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Perhaps it could be true because we ran up there
to look for it. If it would have been a
big one, we'd probably run the other way.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Hope to have a taste test some day to find
out which one is scarier.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
So all those all those decades of searchings, you feel
like it paid off when you saw that it did.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I mean, if you look at it, if you go
from nineteen eighty to now, what's that forty five years?
So for all them thousands of hours in the woods
out bigfoot in and hiking, we've had three or four
really good incidents, which is not really a lot for
all those hours in the woods, but it's still very cool.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
I think Alan is a testament to persistence if nothing else.
You know, he goes every weekend and not and not
to see a sasquatch. He just goes to areas that
happened to be squatchy for other reasons, and over the
years he's been rewarded with a small number of really
amazing experiences. Persistence I learned. I learned this when I
took kung fu for those years. Persistence is more important

(56:01):
than skill because it'll come eventually, you know. Yeah, patients
and persistence are the two most important things you can
have as a big footer, perhaps besides curiosity.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
When we saw the baby, I was teasing Melissa. I
wanted to ty die in a be shirt and when
I got it, I said, to it, let me see
a sasquatch. I wore it that day.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Oh you're wearing the tied eye and listening.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I've got a photo of it. And I texted her
so I said, excellent, it worked, and she was just laughing.
I said, yeah, we saw one. Yeah, it was a
tight die.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Everybody. Everybody should buy a ti die.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
We have new ones in the shop now. We are
going to sell them online because everyone is distinctly different.
And I know if I started selling them online people
say that's not the one in the picture and complain.
But if you do want one and you don't care
what color you get, call the shop. We'll sell you
one over the phone and perhaps you can see a
sasquatch and your tight iece and mel I'll take five. Yeah, yeah,

(56:58):
guaranteed to see a sad watching this shirt. Well not really,
not really at all, but you know what I mean.
It'll certainly up your chances.

Speaker 5 (57:06):
There you go, hawt to get out? Now? How happen
to get out nowadays?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Maybe we go out every weekend?

Speaker 5 (57:13):
You still do?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Huh oh, yeah, you know, I'm not quite that decrepit.
I mean we when we do when we do, like,
we do anywhere from five to ten miles, but some
of it like five miles sometimes if you're off and
I have a ridge, is that seems like twenty miles
if it's on the flat. So yeah, we get out
all the time in.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Good areas too, Like he's one of my eyes and
ears in the woods that I hear from when something
good is happening.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Yeah, well, there you go, Bobs, you want to take
us out?

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Sure? All right, folks, we're gonna head over the pictureon now.
Thanks for tuning in and listening. Thanks to Alan for
coming and sharing the stories with us, And until next week,
y'all keep it squatchy.

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