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August 4, 2025 57 mins
Cliff Barackman and James "Bobo" Fay welcome long-time researcher and conference organizer Marc DeWerth back to the podcast! Marc discusses updates from the field, what makes Ohio such a 'squatchy state, and gives us the scoop on the upcoming New York Bigfoot Conference in October! 

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Keep its watching.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
So all right, roll it.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
How are you doing? Bobs?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Okay, that's go on, Cliff, It's all right, It's all right,
So far, so good. Been a busy day already. Not
much Bigfoot stuff happening today necessarily, although the shop isn't
very busy lately. Been just got a new display up,
kind of a smaller one. Remember back in the day,
this is early two thousands. I know you'll remember this, Bobo,
but John Green was offering one hundred thousand dollars on

(01:00):
anybody who could replicate the footprints that he personally observed
back in the late fifties early sixties. Yeah, yeah, so
that to particular his challenge, his written challenge. It was
donated to the museum by the Willow Creek Museum. So
I got a scan of it and we printed that
out and put it up in our entry way in

(01:22):
the museum so people can come read about the stuff
that John Green personally saw and was willing to give
one hundred thousand dollars away if somebody could replicate footprints
under the same conditions showing the same features. A hat written, No,
this one is typed. This was typed. It was official.
It was definitely official. So then, of course, needless to say,

(01:43):
nobody ever collected it. That's not to say hoaxes don't happen,
of course, but nobody ever collected it.

Speaker 5 (01:49):
Okay, hold, I like, what are we doing right now?
Is this members or is this the main episode?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
This is the intro for the main episode.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Okay. At first of all, I was doing hymns out.
I'm like, wait, what.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Was it night yet?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
No, no, so both We're coming up on the end
of the month here that if I remember correctly, don't
you have to be in out of your place and
in a new place by August first?

Speaker 5 (02:11):
Yeah? Yeah, we uh, we were out of here. Well,
actually they gave me till the fourth. My walkthrough is
on the fourth because it's the weekend. The first is Friday.
We can't move in the new place until then, so
like they're just going to refurbish it, you know, they're
going to strip this place and read you the whole
things like it's not it doesn't matter. Then if I'm
not here over the weekend, they're not going to do
anything with it anyway, So that takes some of the

(02:33):
pressure off. Then we did a pre moved plan party Saturday.
Crew Tou was out of town, so I had some
of the boys come or they were going to help
help move. So we uh watched UFC and kicked out
some steaks and had a good time.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Have you been nesting in your man cave? Dude?

Speaker 5 (02:54):
The man cave? I think it's getting freaking ruined. The
new place. It's a one her garage and crew just
bought that electric car and now she wants to park
it in the garage to charge at which I get.
Then she's got this big jogging machine whatever treadmill, and
then an elliptical machine, and like, dude, it's like going

(03:14):
to fill the whole thing like full. So that was
gonna be my man cave.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
This cannot stand.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Well, it sounds like you wouldn't stand. You'd be on
the elliptical machine.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Yeah, maybe not the worst thing.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, the picture, all the imagine, all the exercise will
be getting by hanging out in your own man cave.
So you're probably in the midst of packing everything up
at this moment.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Right.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Oh, well, crew is donepack and I still got to pack.
I'm shocked.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Okay, So her stuff is all in boxes and taking
her stuff's taken care of, and yours is waiting to
be taken care of.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
I got some trash bags and then just throw stuff
in there in a good role.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
There you go.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
All right, Well, then I boxed. I boxed all my
books up and got those into the storage unit cause
we got a climate controls storage unit. I keep most
of my books and stuff, and they are a lot
of camping gear and chainsaws and malls and gas jugs
and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Gas jugs in a storage unit, Yep.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
They like them in there.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, you like them in there in case it does
go up there's no evidence left.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Yeah, no, I keep the empty ones in there.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Maybe by the end of August, you'll be all situated
in a new house, have a new office area, scanner,
all going, podcast station, new life, new bobs. That's the
hoe nice, that's cool. Are you going to be working
back at the school that's coming year? Do you think
or no, yep, I'm going back.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Once they get you, it's hard to let go.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
It wouldn't be that hard to let go.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Okay, before we hop into our guest today, I want
everybody to know that I'm going to be out in Ohio.
This coming weekend, August seventh through tenth is the Hawking
Hills Bigfoot Festival. It's going to be at the Vinton
County Fairgrounds in MacArthur, Ohio. I think most of the
events actually free, which is kind of cool. I think
you had to pay maybe see the speakers or something.
But there's tons of vendors. There's gonna be like a

(05:11):
night hike. Apparently Tom Powell's going to be out there,
a lot of other bigfoot folks, Charlie I know, Charlie
Raymond and Steve Coles are going to be out there,
some various podcasters. It should be a really, really good time.
And of course this is the third or fourth year
of the event, and it's ridiculous. Every year it keeps
growing and growing and growing. It's grown so much actually,
they've had to move it to a new location, which

(05:34):
is why it's gonna be at the Fairgrounds of Vinton
County Fairgrounds in MacArthur, Ohio this coming weekend. Come on
out and say hi, Come on out and say whatever
you want to me. If you're a pigeon, you can
go at me and I'll do it right back at you.
It's going to be a good time. Hopefully I'll see
you out there. But speaking of Ohio, let's go ahead

(05:54):
and talk to our guests today. Of course, we have
a return visitor today. Are at the Lovely Intellent, Mark
Dwerth from out in Ohio. He's the organizer of the
Ohio Bigfoot Conference and a bunch of other stuff. He's
a regular speaker at local events and libraries near him.
He's out in the woods all the time because of
his living, of course, and what let's just jump right
into it. Mark, how are you doing today?

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Mark?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
What's going on? Bobs?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
How are you good?

Speaker 5 (06:19):
Man?

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Good?

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Great?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Thanks for coming on the show again. Mark. Has been
a couple of years now, I think since we've had
you on. I think what's new out in Ohio?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh? Just the weather? I mean, it's been an amazing
year here in Ohio. We had a very average normal
winter which led into a very very kind of a
traditional old time spring where we had lots and lots
of rain going out throughout all of spring, and a
very few of those really warm weekends or weekdays during

(06:53):
spring that we've been having over the last five six years.
And so a lot of people were quite unhappy that
there wasn't super warm weather in the spring. But then
as summer rolled around in mid July, we started hitting
in the nineties again, and you know, then not getting rain.
And now we're like in what I would say the
dog days this summer, where it seems like every evening

(07:15):
there's a chance of a thunderstorm somewhere around and it
might rain here, might rain there, And so of course
it spikes the humidities and then you have a lot
of humidity in the air. No, everything's doing good. I mean,
I can't be happier on this year.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Well, you pretty much have your thumb on the pulse
of the Bigfoot thing out in Ohio in general. Do
you notice any correlation between any of these weather patterns
that you're talking about and sasquatch reports. And I only
bring that up because Moneymaker, when he lived out in Ohio,
he would comment about these real, real hot days and
how he thought that that changed the behaviors of the
sasquatches and where they chose to hang out.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well, I would most definitely agree. What we find in
Ohio is that if you get these real long, hot
stretches of summer that depletes the water sources in the
small creeks and any little feeders to any of the rivers,
it forces all the larger mammals and everything to get
closer to the rivers and lakes, which of course, in

(08:14):
turn is going to force the bigfoots to do the
same thing, especially if they're hunting deer and turkeys in
different other wildlife that the state has to offer. So yeah,
most definitely the heat the summer can play a big
role in determining where they're going to be located at.
And like last year when we had that big drought
for about three weeks, I mean, if we did get

(08:37):
any sighting reports, there were always by a big body
of water.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
That's hilarious. You guys had a three week drought.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I'm just not here.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
We'll be talking to years out here. It's just funny
hearing from Ohio.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, and the funny thing is is that we did
have a three week drought, but I mean the whole
rest of the of the year, especially previously to that drought,
we had tons of water. So where we truly in
a drought, No, we just had a three week period
where we weren't getting any rain.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
So a lot of these dammed up rivers. Something I've
noticed out here for a number of years, and I
don't know why, if there's a correlation, or if there's
even a real strong correlation, but it's just something I've
kind of picked up, I guess over the years, is
that a lot of siding reports come from right underneath
reservoirs that are dammed up for whatever reason. I don't
know if if it's because those river valleys underneath the
reservoirs are pretty deep and you know, not a lot

(09:28):
of people go into them because they're focused on the
lake themselves, or what. Do you see that same sort
of thing out in Ohio?

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, most definitely, because when the reservoirs were created,
they were created to make a deep fishing or boating
or recreation type lake. And yes, all those little feeders
that are feeding in on all the different sides, they
become kind of just left, you know, left to left
a pasture, and no one goes around there anymore because
they're too busy up on the main body of waters.

(09:54):
So yeah, most definitely. And plus I mean, and I
don't know how it is up by by you guys,
but I truly feel that the bigfoots in Ohio, they
definitely follow those dry creek beds are the semi wet
creek beds to and from food source.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
So when you talk about the food sources, have you
personally observed with your own eyes signs of sasquatch foraging
and can you describe them if you have?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
You know? And when I say foraging, I had a
report back in nineteen ninety six. It was it was
the winner of ninety six. It was over in Columbiana County,
which is east central Ohio, and it was pretty close
to an air area where there were a bunch of
sighting reports. There was a bunch of vocalizations recorded and
things like that. And I happened to decide to go

(10:44):
down below this property why some other investigators were still
talking with the witnesses, because I noticed there was a
small trailer on the property below this property that set
up on this big knoll. And when I went and
talked to the lady of the property and I just simply,
you know, if she had seen any prowlers around in
the summer. And of course she said, oh, yeah, I

(11:05):
saw that, sob and I told him to get off
my property and I was going to shoot him with
my gun. And I go, really, I go, what did
he say? She goes, he just growled and walked away.
And I said, well, what do you mean growl? She goes, yeah,
he kind of just made like a growl sound, and
he turned in when he left. He didn't leave my
property toward the road. He went back into the woods.

(11:26):
But she had no clue. But anyways, I got permission
to take a look around on her property, and lo
and behold, we were back on this one section and
there was snow on the ground because this was February,
and there was an area maybe about twelve foot diameter
of an area where there was deer here, hair spread everywhere,

(11:47):
like in this strange circular pattern. And as we were
looking around, it's like, well, where are the bones, where's
the body? We couldn't find anything. And then lo and behold,
I see like a hoof sticking out under a like
some briar bushes, and when I went to put my
hand on the hoof to thinking I was just going
to pull the hoof itself out, it was the whole deer.

(12:08):
And I ended up pulling three deer from out underneath
this brier patch. They were all frozen solid. The only
thing wrong with them where their backs were snapped, and
it was almost like these things were they were being
stored underneath these briers in the snow, and that whatever
had eaten whatever I mean, I'm going to say this

(12:30):
was a deer that was eating because it was it
was obviously deer hair that they were obviously having a
feeding at this location, and it was just right below
the property that was having all these sightings in all
these vocalizations, so I assumed that that was a bigfoot
doing that.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
As far as feeding on the deer, kind of what
parts of the deer seemed fed.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Upon, well, the three frozen deers, the only thing noticeable
on there were their backs. Spines were like literally snapped
tongues hanging out, but they had they did not touch
anything on these three deer. The deer that had been consumed,
judging by all the hair that was there, we could
not find anything like. There were no bones scattered, nothing.

(13:15):
It was just a totally circular, twelve foot diameter, circular
pattern of deer hair spread all over the place like
something had been eating. And so we presumed there was
another deer that was taken and that they had eaten
this one, and that maybe the critters came along and
cleaned up the mess.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
So that this might be. Maybe you didn't notice at
the time, maybe it did. When you say the back
was broken on these three deer, were they broken in
about the same spot or could he describe how the
back was broken?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I would say from the base of the neck to
the to the backbone itself. It was roughly about six
inches back and it was very consistent on all three
of them. It looked like something got their hands on
it and literally just snapped the spine.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Very interesting.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
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Speaker 3 (15:53):
So, anything else happening in Ohio recently that any recent
reports you've been able to follow upon.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, there has been a some sightings in east central
Ohio over in like Columbiana and Jefferson County. The reports
were a couple of them were of bigfoots crossing the
road in front of cars at dusk. Another one was
along the Buckeye Trail, which is a trail system that
goes all throughout the greater state of Ohio. It goes

(16:21):
around like a big circle around the state. And it
was hikers on the Buckeye Trail had what they saw
in a rainstorm, they heard some movement in front of them.
They spooked out what they said was a large hair
cover creature. Obviously it was raining quite hard with lightning
and thunder and they obviously they kind of walked up

(16:42):
pretty close to it. It must have not heard them
coming because of all the storming, and it spooked the thing.
The thing crossed the trail and quickly went up a
hill side up an embankment, out of site, very quickly.
But it scared them to the point where instead of
continuing going straight, they went the mile back to where
their car was parked because they didn't want to continue.

(17:04):
And that happened. Oh, that was just about a month ago.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
And how did you hear about that?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I heard about it because I was doing some work
with someone that maintains the Buckeye Trail in the state,
and he happened to see I had a bigfoot shirt
on and he's like, oh, wow, cool, he said he
was bigfoot. I said, yeah, I said, there's been settings
around the Buckeye trade. He goes, oh, you heard about

(17:30):
that one. I go, what are you talking about? There's
the one that happened a few weeks ago over near
in Harrison County. I don't want to say the name
of the name of the lake. And I said, oh, really,
tell me more. And you know, he sat down and
we talked in he got me in contact with the
people that actually had the sighting, and and yeah, because
it's kind of funny because people do talk about it

(17:51):
along that trail, but most people talk about it in
a very jokingly fashion. I it's just you know, bs,
there's nothing true about it. There were three witnesses on
this that saw this thing, and you know, obviously it
was quite large in sizing. It had scared them out
of there. And you know, people that hiked the Buckeye Trail,
especially that section of the state, they're not I wouldn't
call them wimpy hikers because it's pretty rugged out there.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Now, you have a you have a job of course
that kind of puts you out in the woods all
the time. You're interested in large trees in the area,
and you're doing some surveys from an understand that that
sort of thing. When you're out in the woods surveying
these trees and recording them and what and whatnot. How
often do you either encounter sign of sasquatches or stories

(18:35):
of sasquatch from save property owners? And how do you
get that how do you get that information without you know,
like scaring the witnesses off.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
You know, and typically what it is is that you
know me, I'm so excited about the tree for our
trees for example, that I just literally go, you know,
hog wild on these properties, you know, evaluating their trees
and everything like that. But I typically I like to
wear bigfoot shirts when I'm out in the woods. So
I might have an NABC shirt, I might have an

(19:03):
Ohio Bigfoot conference. I might have a you know, a
Bigfoot and Beyond pick. And of course then I get
these property owners. They'll say, hey, I noticed your your
shirt and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's cool. And
he goes, oh they have museums like that. I'm like,
oh yeah yeah. And I tell him about it and
everything like that. And then then of course they get
around to saying, hey do you do you really think
these things are are legitimate? And I look at him,

(19:27):
I said, well yeah, I said, I I pretty much
can guarantee you they exist. And he they look at me,
they goes, well, just so you know, my brother who
lives over you know, over in tim Buck too. Let's
say he likes to come and hunt my property and
and you know, and when I when he was up
in his tree stand, you know, he comes, you know,

(19:48):
comes back a couple hours later, he looks as white
as a ghost. I said, what's going on? He said,
And what's going on? What's wrong with you? He goes,
you ain't gonna believe what I saw. And he, you know, explains,
you know, this huge eight nine foot tall bigfoot, you know,
walking within twenty feet of his stand and even seeing
them up in the stand like he knew he was there,
and it scared the guy to death. And you know,

(20:09):
and he said, I used to make fun of my
brother about it all the time, not believing him because
I never heard any stories. And he goes, after talking
to me, he's going to take it more seriously. And
that's just one of them. That was over in Kashoktan County.
Then I had one where over I believe it or not,
in northwest Ohio, like up near Defiance, which is like

(20:29):
in the flatlands of the state farmland where you know,
a woman and her husband and I was on the land,
said yeah, you know, two or three years ago, you know,
we were coming up to this Blanchard River area over here,
and there were five very discernible, five toed footprints when
came up on the bank of the of the river.
And then it went back down into the river and

(20:52):
she said there, Yeah, there are five tracks there, and
you know they were probably you know, fifteen sixteen inches
in size, and so yeah, I mean I do get
I do get people commenting all the time, and so,
you know, people are seeing things, they just don't want
to talk about it or they don't know who to
talk to about it.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
It seems like the general attitude in Bigfoot has changed
a lot over the last fifteen years, where people are
becoming more and more comfortable speaking about encounters. But do
you think that Ohio is maybe lagging a bit in
there because it is a Midwestern state, I think, technically right,
and people don't expect sasquatches to be in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
You know, I could say yes and no, but I
think that because of the conferences like the Ohio Bigfoot
Conference and some of the other events in Ohio, I
think the public awareness has gone up to a point
where now it's over saturated, which now to me leads
leads to having should I say, highly diluted data. And

(21:52):
because you know, and I'm sure you see it all
the time, Cliff Bobo, you guys see this all the
time where people want everything to be a bigot, and
when they get the bigfoot pill in them, that's all
they think that everything's legitimately a bigfoot and unfortunately, you know,
I'm the one that has to tell them it isn't.
And you know, obviously sometimes they're not happy, but it's

(22:12):
to their benefit. But you know, I would have to
say it's in Ohio. People are a little bit more
acceptable than they were, say twenty years ago. But there's
still the skeptics, of course, and I hope there are
because I think we need skeptics.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
So when you say highly diluted data just because it's
a lot of wishful thinking, is that what you mean
by that? Mostly?

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I think people think everything they that has happened
around them is bigfoot. And they're claiming these tree structures
are bigfoots. They're claiming this sounds a big foot, yet
they didn't record it. They're claiming that the overlapping bear
tracks are bigfoot tracks. Because all they're waiting for is
for one so called bigfoot investigator to say that he

(22:52):
thinks they're bigfoot tracks. So they just go from investigator
to investigator to investigor until they get what they want.
And I hate deluded data. I'd rather have a data
set of fifteen great reports than a thousand reports where
five are only good in the rest or garbage.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Well, you know, that's one of the things that's always
really I guess pushed you touch upon something here that
has always put Ohio in the forefront of bigfoot research,
and that's the sheer number of bigfoot researchers in Ohio.
I mean when people look at say the BFROO database,
or you know, any of the online databases. I know,

(23:30):
when they come in the museum, they're very often quick
to point out that Ohio has a whole lot of reports.
And of course that has to not only correlate with
the number of sasquatches and people overlapping in their similar habitat,
but also the number of bigfoot researchers willing to listen
and record. I think that's probably still true even with

(23:50):
the proliferation of the subject through you know, all the
all the various places in the United States and North America,
et cetera. But Ohio just has a ton of researchers
who are out there quite often. Do you think that
that trend is continuing or you think other states are
catching up or what do you think's going on there?

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, I think Ohio as long as I've been in
this field, I initially got in, did my first interview
with a witness in nineteen eighty nine, kind of got
active in the research per se in ninety two, then
started researching with Don Keating in ninety five and it
went crazy. But even back then, there was a good
amount of bigfoot researchers, even in the mid nineties in Ohio.

(24:30):
And it continues, you know, obviously to this day that
we have a trend of lots of small groups of
bigfoot people going out doing their own thing. They have
their own social media presence, and they are obviously like promoting,
promoting awareness and everything like that. So yeah, we continually

(24:52):
have interest in this state. Some states don't have hardly
any at all, and I'm not sure why.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah, that's one of the things about Ohio. I guess
that really, like I said, puts it in the forefront
of this bigfoot research thing. But also, it can't just
be a sociological thing. It can't just be a demographic thing.
But there's people who are interested in it, there has
to be something else about it. What is it about Ohio?
In general. That makes it so conducive for sasquatches and.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Resar and I think, and I call Ohio it's broken
up in four sections. You have the northeast part of Ohio,
which is where I live, that's going to be somewhat wooded.
As it goes to the toward Pennsylvania, gets more wooded,
more swamp land, a lot of water, a lot of green,
and as you get farther east toward Pennsylvania, a lot

(25:39):
less population. Then you go southeast to Ohio, which is
your kind of your Appalachia foothills, which obviously heavily wooded,
lots of reservoirs, lots of water, lots of deer, everything
like that. And then you have southwest Ohio, it's going
to be those big sprawling river valleys that feed the
Ohio River that have lots of agriculture mixed with rolling

(26:02):
hills in heavy forest. And then of course you have
northwest Ohios which is the old Black Swamp, which is
oak and hickory savannahs which were like open plain growing
trees with massive amounts of swampland and just soil so
fertile that anything can grow in it. And so it's

(26:22):
kind of a strange state. How you can go around
the whole thing and get all four things. Well, then
we got Lake Erie on the top, Ohio River on
the bottom. I mean, the one thing for sure with
Ohio is why we have so many reports is we
get a ton of rainfall. We have a ton of water.
We have a ton of oak hickory type forests that
produce masts on the forest floor to feed everything. Bigfoots

(26:44):
like eating deer an other small game. If there's food
on the floor for them to eat, there's still going
to be around. The bigfoots are going to take advantage
of it. And then of course, you know, then of
course you just have the unbelievable lack of natural predators.
I mean, it's not like we have lots of cougars
in the state. We might have a few in the
southeast section. We don't have packs of wolves. Our biggest

(27:06):
predator might be some packs of coyotes, and they're not
going to be able to take down a healthy deer.
They can take down the week and old ones, but
not like big feet can. So I think it's just
that perfect combination of everything that gives the big fits
the perfect type of habitat and being at the foothills
of the city of the Allegheny's appalachis whatever you want
to call it. Most of the food grows down on
those lower levels as opposed up in the high higher altitude.

(27:30):
So you just we just have a lot to offer.
But Ohio, our deer population is insane and it's quite
it's we have some monster bucks all throughout this state.
And and and like I say, just for the years
and years of not having a lot of natural predators.
I mean, the deer are huge here. I mean we

(27:51):
have we have state and world records here.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
How big are the big white tails in Ohio? You know,
like the big bugs.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I know, Coyote was telling me some of them are
dressing out two hundred and fifty pounds. Oh geez, yeah,
I mean, and some non there's a non typical that
was taken over in like northwest Ohio and the farm country.
It I mean, it's it's booming. Crockets scores like a
world record. And if you just google it Ohio, like
world record deer, you'll see and and I mean this

(28:21):
hunting season, this or the last hunting season that happened,
I'm always seeing I'm following people and they're taking sixteen
eighteen twenty twenty two point bucks with huge wide racks
on them, you know, dressing out the deer one hundred
and eighty one hundred ninety two hundred, two hundred ten pounds,
big big deer. And you know, like I say, the
big deer live long when they don't have a lot

(28:41):
of predators to work, you know, to worry about.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages. Now, I
have a couple of questions of historical stuff in Ohio,
and that's because you know, obviously Sasquatches being regular old

(29:07):
animals that their habitat driven, you know they're going to
be found in appropriate habitat. And I'm assuming that most
of the reports in Ohio come from the eastern part
of the states, the state rather and probably increasing a
little bit to the south as well, when you get
down to those particular areas, you know, the bordering West
Virginia and all that sort of stuff down there. And
there's probably only a few reports I'm guessing from the

(29:30):
northwest corner, but as of now, about thirty or a
little a little bit more than thirty percent of Ohio
is forested. A little pre research getting ready for the interview,
I found that at some point because of deforestation, I
think that it peaked in the nineteen forties. Only twelve
percent of the state was forested at that time, like

(29:53):
in the nineteen forties, at some point early nineteen forties.
So now we've had sixty seventy eighty years of regrowth.
Can you see any reflection of that in the sighting reports,
like perhaps in the eighteen hundreds that were more than
the first half of the twentieth century it dropped off,
or can you see any evidence of that in sighting

(30:15):
reports or has it been pretty steady for all this time.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
No, it's most definitely had the effect I think at
the top of the nineteen hundreds, nineteen oh nine, nineteen ten,
because they were cutting down all the trees for the
furnaces down in southern Ohio to burn. And I think
what got to the point by the forties the deer
population there used to be elk in our state and
everything was gone. There was hardly anything. And it's weird because,

(30:41):
as you know, the good thing with Ohio is there's
a lot of people with a lot of money that
lived here at one point of their lives that left
endowments to preserve parks, preserve you know, forested lands, valleys,
things like that, waterways. So over the years, and with
some a broad scope objective to bring Ohio's forests back,

(31:06):
you know, say starting in the forties. By nineteen seventy five,
all of a sudden, we were starting to get a
lot more forest cover. And like Cliff you said that
the forest covers twelve percent in nineteen forty, it was
probably down to six or seven percent in like nineteen ten,
nineteen fifteen, so it was almost totally gone. So when

(31:26):
you take all that forest away, you take all the
game away, you talk any predators away. If there were
any bigfoots around, they would have to isolate themselves in
those small pockets, and even that might be risky. So
I think we had a time period where there was
hardly anything until about the late sixties early seventies. And
it kind of kind of correlates with when deer started

(31:48):
coming back into human eye. Like in the seventies, if
you saw a couple of white tailed deer that was
considered huge, like, oh my god, I saw it. Saw
two deer. Now they come up to you and stalk
you as you're walking your neighborhood. So there's so many
of them. So yes, the forest cover has been huge
for bringing back bigfoot population numbers, citing report numbers, you know.

(32:10):
And like one thing that I always thought was when
I first met Don Keating in ninety five, ninety four,
ninety five. I mean I talked to him on the
phone before, but meeting them in person, and what really
kind of shocked me was the fact that all the
the majority of the bigfoot sightings in our state, you
could literally correlate them to the number of deer taken

(32:32):
in deer season by the counties. So the most reports
were coming where the most deer were taken. So the
bigfoots like us wanting to hunt deer, were also hunting
the deer too, And it was you know, obviously showing
them the statistics that that's what they were doing. They
were following water, shelter, food source, and that part of
east central Ohio was the place to for sure that

(32:55):
had the most of it at the time.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
A lot of people forget because we're we're trapped in
our modern day society and whatever else but people forget
that Ohio was once the frontier, you know. I meaney,
over ninety percent of the state was forced at one time.
I mean, that's a tremendous amount. And people would move
out to the wild West, and at that time that
was Ohio, you know, So it was just a resource

(33:20):
rich area. Now we mentioned deer in general, you also
mentioned sasquatches seeking small animals and whatnot to eat as well.
What kind of vegetables so to speak, resources are there
from tree like nuts and fruits, like what kind of
wild things are growing out there for sasquatches to take
advantage of acorns galore?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
We have about fifteen eighteen native species of oak trees
that are heavy producers. They're going to like the white
oak family better. It's a better tasting acorn, so I
would presume since the critters like it better, bigfoots will
probably be the same way too. Hickories. We have multiple
species of hickories that produce a lot of a lot
of food for the ground. Beech nuts get produced by

(34:03):
the big beech forests in our state. And then of
course we have wild onions. You have all different types
of wild vegetables that grow all throughout our our ecosystem here,
including some very rare ones too. But of course we
also have to throw in the agriculture. We have plenty
of produce farms in this state. We have plenty soybean, corn,

(34:24):
you know, wheat, et cetera. Is being grown all around
all the time. So there's all this food source available
for everyone. And it's just you know, truly benefits something
like a sasquatch because you know, if they can't catch
it deer, they have other things to eat until they
can catch it deer. And like I say, Ohio has

(34:45):
a lot of deer, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Ohio's resource rich. It is researcher rich. Is that why
there's so many conferences you think out there? Because I
can off the top of my head there's three or
four plus there's all these library gigs I hear about
it all the time going on out there. There's just
a lot of bigfoot activity in general in Ohio, which
kind of guess, I guess dovetails into the end of

(35:08):
this topic of the sheer number of conferences we're looking
at nowadays. I mean, the Ohio Bigfoot Conference has been
around for quite a while. This course started before you
got your your gloves on it. Don Keating was kind
of the guy pushing that forward, and you've brought it
into central focus for everybody by doing a great job
over the years out there in Salt Fork State Park.

(35:31):
Let's let's talk about the sheer number of conferences and
their success and why that would be true.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Well, I think, for one thing, I remember years ago
people saying, oh, I wish there were more big Foot conferences.
In my reply would be, I do too. People just
need to do them, and a lot of people were
afraid of the task to set one up and how
to do it when it's really not that hard at all.
And you know what, I just say this, if you
have a good wooded area, you have a good venue,

(35:59):
and and you're you're going to attract people. Because the
one thing Bigfoot does that a lot of other like
nature subjects don't do, is attract kids and families. And
when you can get the kids and families involved, or
get the communities involved in it, because you know, you
see a lot of the newer conferences they're hosted by
like chamber of commerce or small cities, small townships where

(36:23):
they are they're the ones hosting it. And they just
invite people out to have a good old time in
an outdoor street festival, you know, with vendors and food
trucks and just the local businesses where Bigfoots want to
say the subject matter part of part of the event,
and which attracts people to the subject and you know,
bigfoot is. In my opinion, I think you could do

(36:44):
conferences in every state and I think they'd all do
well as long as they're promoted well and you have
a good lineup of speakers at least, you know, some
keynotes and then some locals. A good mix is always good.
And I just think it's just the sign of times
that Bigfoot's become so popular that you know, people are

(37:07):
taking advantage of it.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Your conference, the Ohio a big Foot Conference has been
got a nice mix of kind of both those things.
I mean, you do have the support of SALTFORLK State Park.
Of course they love having you there, and there is
an additional fee to hear the speakers. But you have
an open vending area. I know this weekend, this coming weekend,
I'll be out there at Hawking Hills that's largely an

(37:29):
open festival sort of thing. Like last year, I think
forty fifty thousand people showed up to the town of Logan.
This year, they've moved the location. It's going to be
a different situation, So we're going to see how well
that success translates over to the new format. But that
combination of kind of a private and public event sort
of thing seems to work out really well. And now

(37:50):
you've taken up the banner and are now helping to organize.
Is it the first New York Bigfoot conference or what's
going on with that?

Speaker 1 (38:00):
The first New York big Foot conference. It's in Johnstown,
New York, which is right on the like the foothills
of the and Orantick Mountains. It's my friend Loretta Collins,
you know, wants wanted to do at an event, and
I told her that, hey, I'd be glad to help
you do it, and so we so, you know, through
her and and reaching out to different people, we have

(38:22):
a you know, a great lineup of speakers. The event's
going to be October fourth, twenty twenty five at the
it's like the Johnstown Gloverville Holiday Inn. It's at very
nice meeting facility with lodging right there, and like I say,
it's within like fifteen minutes of of you know, the
foothills of the of the and Orantick Mountains where there's

(38:44):
been a lot of historic Bigfoot sightings. And you know,
I think we have coming in. We have you Cliff
coming in, we have doctor Jeff Meldroom, we have doctor
estabund Sarmiento, we have Adam Davies coming in, we have
Renee Holland coming in from Finding Bigfoot in and then
of course I'm going to be the MC for the
first year for her, and it's going to be a

(39:06):
you know, a great event, you know, and we're trying
to keep it pretty scientific this year. We're trying to
get to a lot of people to want to come
and learn more about Bigfoot and more about you know,
the scientific aspect of it, you know, as well of
course of course about all the sightings that from the area,
because there have been plenty of them, and you know,
I would encourage you to go to the New York

(39:26):
big Foot Conference on the Internet or on Facebook and
check it out, and you know, and and to tend
it would be great for a first event, trying to
get it off the ground, and you know, like I
told Loretta, you know, it'll take a couple of years
to build the event up to get it to where
you're just going to sell out all the time. But
the first year is always going to be a struggle,
which I would think, And but it's going to be

(39:48):
a great event nonetheless.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
And I'm aware of one other vent. There's something up
in Whitehall, right but other than that, I'm not so sure.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, there's a Whitehall Festival and it's more of like
an outdoor type festival, and you know, I've never been
to it. I heard it's a really nice event run
by nice people. I think. I think Steve Coles is
involved with it, and maybe Paul Bartholo. I think that's
say pronounce it. And but it's a very nice event

(40:17):
run in Whitehall and stuff like that. And like I say,
we were just looking to try to, you know, do
just a much more of a conference than say an
outdoor event. And even though we will have some outdoor
vendors at the New York conference, you know, in October,
but like I say, there's other than those that and
and I know that there's one in New Jersey done

(40:39):
by Cryptid Promotions, which is a good event. But other
than that, there isn't a lot there, and you know,
I thought, you know, like maybe we can get more
people to come out of the woodwork and talk about
their encounters out there. We're doing a town hall on
Friday night before the conference. It's free and open to
the public, and we're looking for people from New York, Vermont,
a those surrounding areas would come forth and tell about

(41:01):
their encounters.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Now, of course, you've been at as a successful event
for quite a while, for many many years out there
that sult fork the Ohio big Foot Conference. So you're
taking some of you're going to model I'm assuming the
New York stuff after the Ohio event, I assume, right.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, yeah, of course, because I think the Ohio event
is a great success, you know, in terms of being
an educational type event. I mean, like I said, I'm
i and I've known you guys for years, and I'm
big on educating people on not that Bigfoot exists, that
that there's a lot of data out there that will

(41:36):
maybe sway you into the way to think, hey, maybe
there is a possibility of these things being real, because
I think that you shouldn't say they exist until you've
seen one, or until you've had some kind of encounter
that's changed your life and then you can go into
that wagon, and you know, so you try to educate
them as much as you can.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
So with all the year, all the years of running
the Ohio big Foot Conference, what are some of the
memories stand out to you about some of the maybe
perhaps great successes if you can label them that from
the conference itself, maybe things that you've learned, or special
speakers that you've had in attendance, or just surprises that
you walk away going well, that was rad.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
One of the best ones was seeing Robert W. Morgan
show up to the event and see Bob Gimlin for
the first time. It must have been like thirty years
and to see the two of them talk, hug, shake hands,
take photos and just chat with everyone was amazing. Also

(42:37):
when Lauren Coleman was there one year, Tom Page came
and having Tom Pager and Bob was there that year too,
and it was just such a And so we inducted
Tom Page in the Ohio Bigfoot Hall of Fame and
of course he was very you know, teary eyed over
it and emotional because you know, he knew that he

(42:57):
had a lot of contribution to the subject from the
sixties and the seventies, but you know, now for him
to finally get recognition for it, I think him and
his wife thought it was very special. And you know,
and that's the thing I like. I like to see
people happy, and you know, seeing the looks on people's faces, like,

(43:17):
you know, I'd never forget this one time, you know
me because I'm running around everywhere in that place while
the event's going, and I walk into the front lobby area,
just coming around the benin and I look over on
the chair and there's Bob Gimblin's there. And Bob had
got in maybe two hours ear and it was Thursday night,
I think, And as people were coming in, Bob would

(43:39):
get up and say, Hey, are you folks here for
the fro the Bigfoot Conference?

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yes, well I'm Bob Gimlin. I'd like to thank you
for coming in. And he would sit there and just
thank people for coming to meet him on his own accord,
on his own choice. And to see someone like that,
I mean it just I knew what a genuine person
he was, but that just like, you know, hit the
nail home. I mean, like, wow, what a person. Then,

(44:04):
of course, you know, I you know, not to float
your boats or anything, but like you know, finding Bigfoot,
that you guys coming. I mean, I remember the first
year you came. I remember the first year Bobo came,
where an A came, Matt came. I mean, just just
amazing to see the people respond to people they see
they saw on TV. They respected, and you know what

(44:26):
I think. I think twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
and even twenty seventeen were some pretty special years. And
you know, those are things I'll never forget. I mean,
just just that. And of course the kids all watching
kids come and now they're young adults, and some of
them now have families of their own, and they're coming back.

(44:49):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages. We do
have a lot of listeners who were perhaps kind of
new to the subject, or they're civilians so to speak.
They're not lifers that just enjoy the subject. They're ficionados.

(45:12):
So can you tell us briefly for their sake, who
Robert Morgan is, and then of course Tom Page.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Robert was known in the nineteen seventies to be doing
bigfoot research out in Washington State. He was He's originally
from Seabring, Ohio, and he was out there actually trying
to hunt bigfoot and actually, you know, obviously attain a
specimen to prove that these exists. And he had been
doing research in Ohio before and after he you know,

(45:42):
went out west and he did research for people like
Don Keating, I think even Matt Moneymaker he did some
research with in the state. And you know, he wrote
multiple books about the grassman I guess are what you
call the forest people, I think he called them. And
you know, he's kind of a legend in the community.
If you watch some of the old documentaries from the seventies,

(46:04):
you will see Robert Morgan's in a lot of those.
And so let's just say he's kind of part of
the old Guard. And yet to this day, even though
you know he's not in the greatest health, he's still around.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
That guy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Of course in the old documentaries he stands out forbody
else because he is like Cubol Bold, completely bold. And
so if you have seen any of those nineteen seventies documentaries,
that he stands out in that sort of way. Tell
us about Tom Page, of course.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Well, and then Tom Page was one of the secret
funders of the Tom Slick Expedition. Tom had access to
a lot of equipment I believe, including helicopters and things
like that that helped fund these expeditions out in the
Pacific Northwest that were headed by Peter Burn, John Green
to hind In all the famous bigfooters that we've learned

(46:52):
to know and read about. And Tom was kind of
the guy that was behind the scenes, you know, help
funding it and help, you know, help this success of
the event. And a lot of people didn't know anything
about Tom Bage too many years later after Tom Slick
died and things like that, and so and here lo
and behold he lives in Youngstown, Ohio, which was like

(47:14):
amazing and uh. And then he reached out to me
before one of the conferences and asked if him and
his wife could come down. I'm like, you guys, you
guys got free seats, you got free dinner, you get
if you need travel money, it's it's on me. And
so they came down and they were the nicest, most
humble people. And you know, Tom passed away a few
years back, but but it was an honor to know him,

(47:35):
an honor to meet him, an hour to honor to
hear his stories, like about slick about Patterson. You know
he like the Patterson's book company. Tom Page, I think,
is the one who funded the money to get the
get his first book printed. And so you know, Page
had a lot to do with a lot of things.
And like I say, he was a very nice and

(47:58):
humble man. And he didn't sit there and shoot off
his mouth saying Bigfoot's real. This is that you No,
he was interested in the science aspect of the creature
and wanting to prove that these things do exist.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
For people that haven't been with us very long. Mark
was our guest on episode one ninety one and he
went through a bunch of that kind of stuff, the
history with like Don Keating and Ohio history and all that.
It's pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
What episode are we on now? I don't know, Matt Brewoit,
do you know that number?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
This will be episode three hundred and twenty six.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Wow. Who that's a long run.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
And there's about one hundred and fifty bonus episode so
we've done a lot in the last six years. But
I love the conversation we had with Mark the first time.
Mark's and the audience loved it too, So very glad
to have you back. And while I can toot your
horn here again, like I love the Ohio Conference. It's
absolutely one of the best experiences every year. The fact

(48:56):
that you've got it laid out in such a way.
It's such a beautiful place, but everybody's under the same
roof all the speakers and the attendees. It's just an
awesome weekend. So thanks so much for all the hard
work that goes into that every year.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Oh I appreciate all you guys helping support and promote
it because it takes a group effort to make something special.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
I know people were pretty stoked when I heckled that
one year when I was giving my talk.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I'm, oh, yeah, you know, they love that. I got
some good Bobo stories, but I guess we'll save that
for another time.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Well, I don't know you got one that we can
tell into four or five minutes.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I do have one. The last time Bobo was out,
we left the lodge on a Monday, obviously to take
him to fly out. I think his fight was about
six o'clock in the in the in the evening so
as we're driving out of the park, I'm like, well, Bobo,
are you hungry? And I looked over and he's already
passed out. And I literally drive two hours up to Cleveland,

(49:52):
and I stopped twice to look at a couple of
trees that I knew about, and the whole time he
just kept sleeping right through it. I left the car
running both times when I learned to look at the
trees with the air conditioning on. And then we continued
on and I finally get back up to like the
Greater cleven every close to the airport, I'm like, you know, like, Bobo,
are you hungry? Just let me sleep a little longer?

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Dude like that.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
So I go, I'm going to go for a hike.
I park over near Berea Falls, which is an area
I like to park to go hike. And I said,
I'm going to go for I cool, go have fun.
And he falls right back asleep. The windows are open
and everything. I hike an hour and forty five minutes
there and back come back, he's still hanging halfway out
the car, sleeping away as people are coming and going everywhere.

(50:36):
And then then of course it's like, are you hungry,
and he finally said, okay, we'll go get something to eat.
We went and had Mexican He barely ate like five bites.
And then I take him to the airport. And then
let's just say that when his flight was getting ready
to leave, he gave me a call. He says, hey,
thanks for everything. He says, Oh, when I was in
the bathroom, I took a good number two. It was awesome.

(50:58):
And that was it. But no, uh, it was it
was funny. I mean, just for the fact that I
never saw someone sleep that long in a car.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
I didn't sleep the whole weekend.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
That was well.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
And and that's and that's and that's the truth. And
and I understand you just finally had had an opportunity
to sleep and you literally just sleep slept for five
hours in a car, and it was It was hilarious.
And you know, like I say, we always wanted to
have you back. Everyone I was always asked me, what
are you going to get Bobo Beck, I said, you'll

(51:29):
have You'll you'll have a better chance having a class
a sighting than that.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Well, I mean, just look at Bobo. You can tell
he gets a lot of beauty sleep.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Well, yeah, of course he needs it, like, you know,
fifteen hours a day, I guess so, uh No, I
mean you know, like I say, I just appreciate all
of you and everything that you've done for the conference.
So it's it's been. It's been a it's a great run.
And uh I'm glad you guys enjoy it.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
When's the last sighting out of Salt Fork State Park?
Because that place goes off. I mean I've never seen
one there, but I've heard him there.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
There was a sighting like within three or four miles
of there, maybe in the last few months, and it
was your real a typical you know, the guy was
walking back to a creek to fish or something and
he saw something out of his corner of eye step
behind a tree and then he you know, heard something
walking away or skid and he could see like the

(52:22):
outline of it, but it wasn't a real definitive one.
Let's say, you know, the biggest problem with that bobo
is that Salt Fork because everyone goes there to Bigfoot.
That means everything is Bigfoot, and with all the hoaxed
videos that come out of there, where people just have
their brother dress in a suit and you know, they
film from up on a ridge and say, look, see
there's Bigfoot at Salt Pork. It's like, it's crazy, all

(52:44):
these hoaxes that go on. So you have to really
really filter it down to only the real good data
to even get anything legit. And not that there isn't
legit things that happen, it's just the problem is when
you have thousands of people looking for Bigfoot there, you
get all this misidentification.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
Yeah, I met like someone like that you knew or like,
you know it was a legit one, because I know
there's times of be I mean, there's it's it's just
the most squatched place in the in the world.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
It could be. It could be. It's you know, and
if you look at that part of the state and
and you know, and I've hiked everywhere through there, from
lake to lake, all the finger lakes up there, there's
so much water and so much forest cover that if
I was a Bigfoot, that'd be the part of the
state I'd be living in because I'm convenient to Pennsylvania.

(53:32):
I'm convenient to the corner of West Virginia and the
Ohio River Valley, and right then and there you have
a confluence of everything meeting, and it is fricking squatchy
as heck down there, that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
You've built a lot of memories for a lot of
people in Ohio, and now you're starting in this new
chapter helping out with the fledgling New York Bigfoot Conference.
And I think it's just going to be a hit man,
because there's really not much going on as far as
conferences in that specific area. There's a whole bunch of
bigfoot reports and the cat skills in general, including you
know the famous and New York baby footage for example,

(54:08):
that wasn't that far far away from there. I'm really
looking forward to this event and seeing how it grows
and matures over the next decade or two. I mean,
goodness knows how what kind of legs this conference is
going to have. It could be around, could be one
of the longest running ones ever for all you know.
Because it's not too far from the city, right.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Well exactly, it's probably a few hours from New York City,
but it's out in the beautiful area. And like I say,
I think a lot of people I notice on the
Facebook page, because there is a Facebook page New York
Bigfoot Conference, a lot of people are asking, well, what
is the what is the admission fee costs? Well, the
cost is to go see the speakers. There's gonna I'm
We're going to have like a specialty door prize raffle

(54:48):
with some really cool donated and rare Sasquatch and Bigfoot
related items for people to win. And you know, but
and of course you know, uh, it gives them you know,
exclusive you know, seating to see all the lectures and
everything like that, because like me, when I go to
go to a Bigfoot event, I want to see all
the lectures and which I never get to do it at

(55:10):
my own events. So when I do go to them,
that's what I do. I go see the speakers. I
want to I want to learn. And if if folks
want to learn on the New York Bigfoot and all
the Northeast you know Bigfoot settings, you know, this is
gonna be a good step to start at. And I
think you should give it a chance and see what
it's like, because it's going to be great. I guarantee that,
Oh I would one hundred percent agree. I mean, and

(55:32):
of course we have doctor Meldrum, we have doctor Sarmiento speaking.
I'm going to be there. Rene is kind of come
as well and talk to us about some stuff. And
Adam Davies a lot of great speakers, great people, a
great location. I think it's going to be a great
event man. Yeah, oh yeah, it is. It will be.
And like I say, we just got to get more
people to say, hey, I want to come to this event.

(55:53):
I mean, this is the time to get your tickets
and get your rooms booked and things like that. And
you know, like I say, people trust me, show up.
You won't be disappointed.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
And that's October third and fourth, twenty twenty five, the
New York Bigfoot Conference. And for all the information you need,
go to NY Bigfoot Conference dot com ny Bigfoot Conference
dot com for the New York Bigfoot Conference on October
third and.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Fourth, or click the link in the show notes.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
Yeah, or do that all right, folks. That's another episode
done this week for Bigfoot and Beyond with our special
guest Mark to Worth. Check out those links below. We
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