August 11, 2025 • 48 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys
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keep its watching.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Boobo Fay.
I hear the resonant sounds of Bobo's new Man cave.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yep, you're hearing it.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It sounds cavernous.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's not cavernous. I'm up in the guest room.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okay, but's just is it kind of like the bat
cave at all? I mean, is it the stone walls
with like flying rodents or anything.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's got all redwood, little four inch tongue and grooves
slaps around the whole thing on the walls, and then
it's got a white panted roof. So it's not it's
not totally dark at all. It's it's it's a pretty
nice balance nice.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That sounds great, man, because your other house, being right
on the beach, was often very gloomy and stuff like that,
and you know it had dark wooden walls, so it
was darker inside than so your new situation is much
more bright and cheery.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, I did the last couple of days. I get up,
I look and I look west down the bedroom milks
due west and I look out. I just see this
gray wall like about five miles away over on.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The coast, meaning the cloud the fog, right, yeah, the
coastal fog. Holy smell. You're out of the fog.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Wow, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
That's kind of cool though.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, I'm stuck. I'm stuked. I mean, like, you know,
I'm a little homesick when we miss like there's certain
things we miss, you know. But it's cool. I'm excited
for the change. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, it's better to be homesick than sick with black mold,
like like the last place, you know exactly. Oh that's great. Well, congratulations.
How did the move go. That must have been because
you've been pretty uh entrenched, I guess in that last
place for decades.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, And hell, I had no I knew it was
going to be a hassle, but I had no idea
how bad because when I moved in, like I just
kind of moved like I had another place. I was
living at that beach house. The rent was like three
twenty five or something when I moved in, and I
was splitting it with Kyle. So you know, it's like
I had a beach house for like less than two
(02:19):
hundred bucks a month. So I was like, oh sweets.
I'd go back and forth, and over the course of
a couple of years, stuff moved in. And then when
I moved in, moved in, I didn't have any good
stuff at my old house because it was just a
total party pass or everything. It was the rash. I
just got rid of it and just moved in and
just got you know, bought a couple of couches and
you know, it was it just transition. It was nothing.
It took me like two hours to move in. You
(02:41):
know when I moved.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Places in your hont A Civic.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, oh, this wasn't funny, but it was kind of crazy.
Was we were moving my big half ton gun safe.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, it's a big one man, what is it six
feet tall?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, And we were hauling it up there. We were
there was four of us hauling it up the stairs
and had it on a big special Dolly, heavy duty
dolly for moving that kind of stuff. I was pushing
up from below and Albo was pushing from below, and
then these two other guys, jeffro and trash on top
pulling and the matt was there to wipe your feet off,
(03:17):
and he leaned back and pushed off so hard it
shot out. That shot the mat out from under him,
and he landed on his back, and then Jeffro couldn't
hold it by himself and so it fell on both
of them. Dude, that crushed him dead. No, no, just
like bad bruising and banged up and just really sore.
And Jeffro got kind of tore up. He had lost
a bunch of skin off was like his whole upper
(03:39):
arm and down his arm forearm. And he was leaving
the next day to go on a tuna trip out
of San Diego, h and m on a long long
range tuna trip. But it's not the best time they
go out to see on a fishing boat. When he
got he's probably got like one hundred and fifty square
inch gap of missing skin.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh jeez, well you sold it to me. When you
called me and gave me the date.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You were like, Oh, they're totally cool because they're skaters
and they like love scars and stuff, so they're.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Cool, I said, I said, they love scars. They're just
used to them. They don't care like they're both like
they're both hardcore skaters and just like whatever, like like
there's like they're they're covered in scars, so they're they're
just like, yeah, no worries.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, I'm sure that salt water will feel good on
that bear, like missing skin. Yeah in the sun? Oh man?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, yeah, what's what's squatchy going on? Oh man?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, I went, I was in the woods this morning.
I did the dawn patrol. I was out there before
dark or before daylight rather in the dark. I found
a couple of maybes. And there's another spot that I
this other spot that I was working, but some other
people are working it also, and uh it turns out
like two weeks ago I found some fake tracks in
(04:51):
the area. So that's unfortunate, like obviously tracks, Yeah, so
so unfortunate. That's the first so which brings up a
lot of problems of course, you know, because there's a
hoaxer in the area, and so the.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Guy that told you probably told someone else that you're
up there looking around up there.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Well you know, these other guys been working the spot
for a while and stuff. But I think what the
deal is is that, I mean, I don't think it's
one of them, like I know them. I don't think
it's one of them. But they've been bringing other people there,
and word, I think word got out that they're working
the spots, and I don't I don't know what the
deal is. I don't know like the whole you know,
(05:26):
politics sucks.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Do that sucks. That's why I keep it. I keep
it close to the vest. And that's why don't tell anyone.
Like I got a spot, like my good friends, I
don't tell them where it is.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so simple, man. If you don't
want people to know, don't tell them. It's that simple.
But I don't know they I have no idea. Maybe
they wanted the attention, maybe they won't just like bring
their friends out and show them or something. But but
you know, you tell one person and then well that
that one person is going to say, oh, I can
tell my brother or I can tell my my buddy,
you know, and then they tell and the next thing,
(05:56):
you know, six or seven people know. And luckily that's
not my best spot, you know, because it's not my
best spot at all, but still it's a good enough
spot that I would go there with some frequency, you know.
But Now, anything that comes out of there I have
to assume is hoaxed, or even if it's not. See,
that's the problem. There's been sightings in the area from
people I know and trust, so they are in the area,
(06:18):
you know. So it's one of these situations where we
have a good location that you know, there's a hoax
in there now. And the best analogy I have, and
I've probably said it before in the podcast, like everybody
loves a hot tub, right, feels good you go into
jacuzzi or whatever, you sit there, it's delicious, right, it
feels wonderful. Well, okay, now somebody takes a dump in
the jacuzzi. The water is still warm. It's gonna feel
(06:40):
good if you go in, but you don't want to
go in there. Dude, there's a turn in there, and
then you'll probably never go in that hot tub again.
And you know, there's a turn in the jacuzzie, basically,
is what it comes down to. That's the best analogy
I have for it. Even if there are our sasquatches there,
none of the data, none of the information can be
used now none because who knows now that the good
(07:02):
news and there was no good news in this honestly.
But one of the things about it is that I
was so capable of recognizing the wooden stomper thing because
London tracks, I'm very very well versed in that stuff.
But the stuff that i've I've previously gotten from this
one particular area looks very very good. So there's a
reasonable chance that, like the hoaxing thing is brand new,
(07:23):
because I think I would have recognized a hoax a
while ago, you know, like maybe the six months ago
or something like that, because these are so plainly fake.
So I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Many how many were there, like of the of the
the youse said the fake tracks, how many was there
like a whole trackway.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Or just a couple were Like now, it wasn't even
a trackway. It was like a few tracks here and there.
I found two or three in one spot. Then a
couple hundred yards away I found the same stomper, leaving
about two, three, five, four. I don't know. I think
I came home with six or seven fake tracks. You
cast them, yeah, definitely, absolutely, Yeah. I personally think it's
(08:01):
very important to cast fake prints when you find them.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I thought you just cast one maybe if it's the
same one over and over, or you got to cast
a couple to show us through repetitive I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's like the London tracks. Now, mind you,
I'm a bit obsessive about stuff. I have over seventy
of the London tracks, and I've said this often. If
I had one London track, if I would have just
chosen the best one and cast it, I would still
think they're real.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I just watched video on that the other day. I
was still kind of fooled by some of them. I
was like, like, we're like, did the Pirouette spin and
all that? I'm like, is that the best fake track
what you've seen? I mean, I haven't seen a lot
of them, but I never saw it in person, but
the video I saw it, but that looked like the
best one I've seen.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, I mean now that, well, I learned so much
from the London tracks. I can't say I was naive,
but I was less way less experienced. At that point.
It was twenty twelve, you know, and tracks are fairly
rare and that sort of thing. But by the way,
there's still bigfooters out there that think the London tracks
are real. Quite a few of them. Actually, one person
actually told me he's a kind of a paranormal guy
(09:02):
told me that the Bigfoots make their footprints look like
stompers in order to fool people like me, which I
think is ridiculous, of course, but it was at the
best trackway, I mean a lot. I personally think that
whoever faked that has some knowledge of sasquatch footprints. But
you know, the London track thing won't die. Last week,
(09:23):
I think it was last week, maybe the week before,
I don't know if you don't elastic timeline issues. But
recently this summer I got a text from these people
that I met. I think I met him at squatch
Fest last year in January. These people came up to
me and they said, yeah, yeah, our nephew knows about
the London tracks. He may have made them, or if
he didn't make them, he knows the person who did.
(09:44):
No way, Yeah yeah, like this past year in twenty
twenty five. Now, of course, you know, that's no different
really in substance than someone saying, oh, my neighbor's cousin
is the guy in the Patterson Gimlin film suit. R.
You know, it doesn't mean anything until there's some evidence
about it.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But just this past week I got a text from
them saying that their nephew's ready to talk and I
should I should try to get a hold of them.
So I texted them back saying, that's awesome. Can I
have some contact information? And I have not heard back
from them yet, you know. So it's one of these things,
just one of these people on the list that I
need to reach out to again and just start poking
(10:25):
and stuff. And I spoke to them on the phone
a few months back, I think in April or something
like that, and they said, Hey, he may not want
to talk because blah blah blah, you know. And I
guess if I had hoaxed something, I may not be
so willing to talk about it either or something. But
hopefully he is. I would love love, I mean not
mind you. If anybody in the world has a reason
to want the London tracks to be real, it's me.
(10:49):
I was on TV saying they're real, you know, I
would love them to be real, but I know they're not.
But I would love to get the Stompers. God, what
a score that would be for the museum. Yeah, but
we digress. But yeah, it's a Q and a episode.
So we're going to be taking some voicemails as we
always do, and then take some written questions for me.
(11:09):
All that will jump over to the member side and
do the same thing just for our pigeons because we
love them so much. So, Matt Prutt, do you want
to tell us how people can submit questions and then
give us one? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
You can head over to Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot
com and click the contact form or click the link
in the show notes aka the episode description below.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Oh and the most requested Bobo storytime story that I've
always refused to tell. I got talked into telling the
turn the driveway, Turn the Driveway story.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Oh really, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, so that's coming up. So if you look and
look forward to that, you tease.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, Well, here is the first voicemail. Hey guys, my
name's Larry Heck.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I'm from the Saint Louis area and I've been interested
in the subject of Bigfoot since the midnight nineteen fifties
when i read articles in some of my dad's Argacy
and True magazines about the Edmund Hillary expedition, and anyway,
I've been following it ever since. But I just was
curious to know about what your opinion might be about
(12:17):
Reinhold Messner and the accounter he had a number of
years ago when he was crossing eastern Tibet on foot.
He said he thought that it might be some kind
of a hybrid bear that he came face to face
with as it was getting dark. Anyway, I've heard the
account as he gave it to Mark Davies, and it
was I've always thought it was really a kind of
(12:39):
a spooky thing. But I'd appreciate any comments that you
guys might have. And anyway, keep up the good work.
Love listening to you guys, you Cliff and Bobo and.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Through it. You guys do a great job.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
It's always a lot of fun. So I hope you
all are having a great day, and take care.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I got I was so mad at him. I called
him a woosie after after when he came out and
recanted all that because he took so much grief. He
like he caves. I read his book twice, and I
read the book I read about him, that all this
stuff Lauren Coleman wrote on him, And yeah, I mean
he said it was a bear that was standing up
right darting on two legs from rock to rock and whistling. Yeah.
(13:23):
I was just like, I was like, dude, because he
couldn't handle like people heckling on it. It's like you're
the bad most badass mountaineer ever. Like he's he's if
you read his stories, it's he did the most amazing
stuff and he was super respective, but he just couldn't
handle getting heckled. So he he came up with this
whole thing about it was a bear, but he, uh,
(13:44):
he didn't discover that stuff about those bears, that those
when they're juveniles they climbed trees. Sub adolescens, they their
foot is actually the morphology of the foot changes, so
he can climb trees better. And think, that's what a
lot of people thought were yetie track, except that warn't
yety tracks. So he kind of went with that, and
he just kind of went off on that direction. Ok.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think I just found the section here in his book.
It's on page four. I'm going to read it here. Then, suddenly,
silent as a ghost, something large and dark stepped into
a space thirty feet ahead among the rhododendron bushes, a yak,
I thought, becoming excited at the thought of meeting some
Tibetans and getting a hot meal and a place to
(14:27):
sleep that evening. But the thing stood still, then noiseless,
and light footed. It raced across the forest floor, disappearing, reappearing,
picking up speed. Neither branches nor ditches slowed its progress.
This was not a yak. The fast moving silhouette dashed
behind a curtain of leaves and branches, only to step
(14:48):
out into a clearing some ten yards away. For a
few seconds, it moved upright. It was as if my
own shadow had been projected onto the thicket. For one heartbeat,
it stood motionless, and then turned away and disappeared into
the dusk. I had expected to hear it make some sound,
but there was nothing. The forest remained silent. No stones
(15:10):
rolled down the slopes, no twigs snapped. I might have
heard a few soft footfalls in the grayness of the underbrush.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Hey, Boba, whatever
(15:31):
happened to your gone squatch and hat used to wear
and finding Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Now I don't have that hat anymore. I gave it
to Lauren Coleman for his museum. But I might be
asking for it back because I'm getting a little nervous
in summertime, getting too much so on the scalp up
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paragraph it goes on. He talks about following it a
little bit, and it says, there in the black clay,
I found a gigantic footprint. It was absolutely distinct, even
(17:23):
the toes were unmistakable. To see that imprint was fresh.
To see that the imprint was fresh, I touched the
soil next to it. It was fresh. I took a
picture and changed and checked the soil around it. My
shoes shit and sinking nearly as deeply.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But yeah, so upright dashing about like his own shadow.
That doesn't sound like a bear, because what is at
the very end of it all That would probably be
much harder for me to find. But he comes at
the conclusion that, like no I saw a bear. I
saw a bear silently upright dashing about that appeared as
(17:59):
if his own shadow was cast upon the Nah. Yeah,
I'm with you, Bobes. I think he was stout man.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You know. I think I think it's like the second
last page hases his revamped I like when he changed
his his story.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, the second last page.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I think that's what it is. With the last page.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Maybe even well, I don't see it, and we do
have a live podcast going on here, but in the
middle of the book, we do have a plate, a
photographic plate of the the footprint, and the footprint that
he photographed is clearly a bear. So what what?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
What's the deal? Did he not describe it appropriately in
order to kind of lead us to believe that he
was observing a yetti or did did he not? Was
he unable to identify it as a bear print right there?
Because clear as day it's a bear print. You can
even see the nails in front of it. Yeah, So
there's something shady going on, like he either kind of
(18:56):
teased and let us on and the later later lead
us let us down, or he doesn't know what a
bear print looks like, which I find a little hard
to believe. Yeah, I don't know. Something shady about that.
I don't and whatever is going on, I don't think
it's cool. No, yeah, that's just my opinion. I don't.
I just think it's it's weird. Something's weird about it.
I mean, did you do that to sell books? That's
(19:18):
seems inappropriate. I don't know what the deal is, but whatever, man, whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I guess I guess we answered that one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
But let's pause a moment and give some kudos to Larry.
Since the mid fifties, he's been into this with the
Hillary pictures. That's pretty rad. That's a long time. That's
a long time man like that. That's that's impressive. So
hats off to you, Larry, and thank you for the question.
And thanks for the kind of words. Oh yeah, the
kind words too. All right, So here is the next voicemail.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Hi, Cliff Biber and Matt Nigel Cooling from LA really
enjoying the program. And I also appreciate you giving my
children's middle grade book Asha a couple of weeks ago,
Alphie and the big Foot of Bluff Greek. Thanks for
doing that. Then my question really is on bigfoot bodies.
I've been needing some research into bigfoot bodies, and I
was reading the story of the Minnesota Iceman, which was
(20:07):
a big foot that was told in the sixties as
part of a traveling show in an ice cube, and
then thought and examined. I'd love to know your thoughts
on that particular story and what you think the truth
of that is. Okay, thanks again for a wonderful program
gets me through Sunday night and the week. Keep it
Squatchy and look forward to you your thoughts and your answers.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Take care. Hey, well, Nigel, First of all, thanks for
the copy of Alfhi. I got it. That's literally on
the floor of my office waiting to be cataloged right now.
Thank you very much for the copy that I think
that was cool, really really appreciate that. So Minnesota Iceman.
Did we talk to Ken Gerhart about this? He's kind
of the expert in it right now, I think, isn't he?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
We talked to someone about it.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That's one of those things that's been brought up in
multiple episodes, but I don't think we've ever devoted a
whole episode or a big part of a discussion to it,
but we have.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's one of the things been touched on several times
over the years. Oh okay, because Ken's got an hour
long presentation on it and he's really done a great
job of doing some deep dives in there. Maybe we
should give him a call and have him back on
the podcast. Yeah, give Bobo a chance to not call
him le promises.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's uh. I haven't heard
Ken's talk, but I've talked to him about it in
the past, and then to meet you Baynov in Russia.
He did. He researched it for twenty five years and
he's still convinced that Jimmy Stewart bought it and had
it destroyed, the real one where he's passed now. But
until his death he thought that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, yeah, there is there. Peter Burn was chasing stuff down.
I think Todd Nice was telling me that Peter was
really working hard on that until pretty close to his death,
you know, just a few years ago as well. But
I kind of wonder if the Jimmy Stewart thing is
just kind of echoes of the Yetti hand thing, the
pain bull chief hand, you know. I kind of wonder
about that, if that's one of these, if there's any
(21:59):
paper trail at all, or if it's factual. I think
Todd was telling me that Peter was on the trail
of Oh, what's that guy, you know, the very very
wealthy guy, the spruce goose guy. You know what I'm
talking about, Howard Hughes. Howard Hughes. Yeah, I thought that
Peter was saying that he had something to do with
it or something. But I guess the longest short of
it when it comes down to it, as far as
(22:20):
the iceman to put it simply, it's like, I don't
know what was going on. Clearly the second one was fake.
Was there ever a first one? Who knows? I know
personally several people who have who saw the thing when
it was on tour through Minnesota and Frank Hanson's display thing,
And at least one of those people, if not more
(22:41):
than one, told me they could smell it's now. Of
course you could just put rotting flesh and something like
that and probably stink up the place pretty good. And
I wouldn't be surprised if mister Hanson, you know, was
that savvy to do that. You know who is?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, because they put the light, that light showed it
up better than the heat from the bowl cracked the
glass and then they got a powerful whiff of decaying flesh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, there was a new book that was translated from
the French who Webman's wrote the book, of course, and
I think Lauren Coleman, I think we had something to
do with re releasing it, and I just don't remember.
I've got again. I had the book on the shelf,
but it was translated from the French, and that was
an excellent account of it because as Ivan Sanderson and
Welbleman and whatever and kind of there talks about it
(23:23):
and well, they're their thoughts on it because they are
the people who saw it firsthand and first on top
of that, they were kind of the first investigators really
check it out. A lot of great photographs in it,
I think, if I remember right, Krantz commented in his
book that after it was dethowed and refrozen, you could
see that things had changed positions a bit. Some of
(23:44):
the details I remember off the top of my head,
pimples and flex a dirt in the follicles and small
hairs and that sort of stuff like I wouldn't be
a bit surprised if there was something real to that.
But at the same time Frank Hanson, I believe it's
kind of a showman if if I understand the reading correctly.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, I think that the Jimmy Stewart rumor came about
because Hanson had claimed that, you know that the reason
that the real body was not available to show anymore
was that there was like a wealthy, well known person
who was fairly evangelical who had purchased it and didn't
want it to be displayed, like some kind of vague
statement like that. That then people try to figure out
(24:26):
who this person could be, and because of the pangboci
hand involvement, they assumed it was Jimmy Stewart, if I'm
remembering that correct. But I think that's how that came about.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
That sounds about right. And there's always some sort of
like religious thing in there, like somebody was hiding it
so they like you wouldn't question evolution or something like that,
or you know, some some religious thing. But I think
that we're gonna have to be okay with no resolution
on the Minnesota Iceman thing unless somebody pops up with
(24:55):
the corpse at some point. But where we stand now
the Latex dummy, I guess the second one the model
that the rumor has it replaced the original, if the
original ever existed at all. That's in a museum in Austin.
It's like a Museum of the Strange or something like that.
I think it's called the Museum of the Weird, Museum
(25:16):
of the Weird. I was close for me. That's pretty good. Yeah,
so that's down in Austin, Texas. If I remember right,
I'd love to go see that. That'd be a cool
museum to go check out too. Yeah, maybe we should
invite ken Gerhard back on and you can talk about that,
because I know he's kind of done more work on
that than anybody I know as far as like you know,
being out of the road and seeing presentations that he
(25:38):
has a whole presentation about it, and he's really spent
a lot of time on that one.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The three of most cited people's explanations where it came
from is they say it was shot in Vietnam, like
it came back in the Vietnam War. It was shot
on the Ho Chi Min trailer or something like that.
And then there's some servicemen snuck up back to the US.
There's the one that was shot by a guy in Siberia.
That's why it's eyeballs hanging out. And then the other
(26:04):
one was was got up like Minnesota area, somewhere up there,
the Minnesota, miss Upper potential, Michigan somewhere up there.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, the two versions I heard is somebody shot at Minnesota,
so that overlaps. Another version I heard is that it
was found floating in a block of ice or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Oh yeah, yes, that's another one.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, there's a lot of rumors associated with that.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
But it looks like it looks like it got shot
in the head though, So it looks like, you know,
it was modern.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah, and if I remember the back of the head,
which is what blew the eyeball out of the socket.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, that's when I just love to know the truth.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, I'd like to think there was something there, and
maybe there was. I just don't have enough information. But again,
people I personally know have seen this thing like they
saw it back in the sixties, and they say, I
think it was real.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah. One of our sound one of our sound consultants
for Wild There Sounds and former guests on the show, Dave,
he saw it. I think he saw it twy.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think I was seeking a will a doctor epiphone
you know, Yeah, yeah, that works for epiphone guitars. Like
he saw it too.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, I mean I've talked about people that saw it
and they were like, yeah, I mean people like that
really set close with magnifying glasses.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You can see that every hair follicle, like it was amazing. Yeah,
based on what I've read, I kind of think there
might have been something there. But I certainly would like
to think there's something there. But again, who knows. And
at this point does it do unless somebody comes up
with the bones or something, does it do with any
good I don't know. Yeah, I have to be okay
(27:37):
with not having a resolution on that one.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, because he took it to Canada and then he
was totally he wasn't gonna be able to bring it
back or something, because that's why he made the rubber
mold or that's where that all came about. Because I
guess he made the rubber one because he was so
afraid that he was gonna get caught for like murder
or something.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Frank Hanson though, like he not only did he have
this you know Minnesota Iceman possible body and stuff, he
had like historical John Deere tractors as well. Oh yeah,
the very very first one. I think maybe I'm not
sure about that. Yeah, certainly historical tractors like this is
a known thing. Pretty interesting, But again that just means
he's a showman, which probably means he probably shouldn't be trusted.
(28:18):
So I don't know. I don't know, Like everything else
in bigfoot Land, man, just like there's so many convoluted
avenues and rumors and this, and that's I.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Think you just getting the wrath of the Carneys.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Or the Bigfoot community. I don't know. Yeah, clowns in
the circus. Well, thank you for that question, Nigel, and
thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I did get a copy of the book as well,
so greatly appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And here is an equally gruesome and macabre question for.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
You, Hey, Cliff and Bobo. Adam Gusman for Texas here
big fan, been listening since the beginning. Had a non
Bigfoot question for you, Cliff, you've mentioned Oingo Boingo many times,
Just curious what your favorite song is, and same question
for you, Bobo, but regards sublime.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Thanks guys, and keep it Squatchy.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
My favorite Oingo Boingo's song, private Life.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Oh, it's a great one.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
This is my private life. Yeah, I like it only
a lad too, because that reminds me of dancing at
the high school dances. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, gosh, that whole period, like those three albums. See
dead Man's Party. It's okay. I think that's when they
turned the page. It's just like, uh like like like
the Chili Peppers, they turned the page and became kind
of much more mainstream. I should with like Blood Sex
Magic I think it was called. And the albums before that, though,
are the best ones by far. I think dead Man's
(29:36):
Party did that. They put dead Man's Party put uh
Oingo Boingo on the charts, but the albums before that
only lad. It was a good fear of soul and
nothing to fear those three albums. I don't think there's
a bad cut on any of those albums.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
And they asked you what was my favorite Sublime song?
Oh God, I couldn't say just one. I like, uh,
I like it SCP, I like uh what happened There's
I like. I like several of them a lot. Uh oh.
DJs Man.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
When it comes to their singles, Santo Ria is my
favorite of the radio hits.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, that's that's good. So I like, I love Sanaa
and uh Badfish. That's a great one.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Santoria to me like really flexes all the like songwriting chops,
vocal chops, you know, there's some humor in it. Great
guitar chops in that solo, which is like a super
clean solo. You know, it's like a really technical solo,
but it's not you know, overdriven and compressed. Like it's
just there's a whole lot of chops in that song
that covers a lot of ground.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. That
is it for the voicemails. So let me grab some
of these written submissions. Yeah, we still have some time
(31:02):
for a couple of those, I think. Yeah, So here
is the first of the written questions for you. Would
you like to read it?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Bobo? Sure? Bob Brewer, that deer and elk throughout thought
to be primary food sources for squash. Has anyone brought
up the possible effects of wasting disease? It's been prevalent
in Colorado for years, it's now in the ozars. Could
sus squats be vulnerable in these areas. As your dad bruh.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
It does not seem to have made the leap from
ungulates to primates. So there's plenty of humans who've consumed
ungulate flesh that has chronic wasting disease and it's not
shown up in humans yet. I don't know that it's impossible.
It might be very possible. I've heard a number of
different podcasts and experts speak about it, but it seems
(31:47):
like the concern for that is existent, but a fairly
low concern at this point, as far as I understand.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It, and you know, I'd like to pop in here
that I think the deer and elk thing might be
over played a bit.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I know money Maker would disagree with me. He's one
hundred percent on the deer train. As far as I know,
I think the deer and elk thing might be just
a bit over like pushed a little too hard. I
think so to be primary food sources, Okay, primary maybe.
I think that in the same sort of way that
chocolate pudding is a primary resource or a primary food
item for Cliff. Deer and elk would be fantastic items
(32:24):
to get when they can, but the evidence that I've
personally observed in my own life with my own eyes
indicates that rodents and insects seem to be primary food sources.
So I don't know because I haven't seen, you know,
piles of deer and deer. I haven't seen all that stuff.
(32:44):
I do think there's a correlation, and I think that
part of that correlation is not only that Sasquatches would
be happy to take deer down if they could, and
they do. Don't get me wrong, I just don't. I hesitate, man,
I could be very very wrong, but Moneymaker would certainly
say I am. But I hesitate to say that deer
and elk are the primary food sources for sasquatch. I
(33:06):
think it's like the items that they would prefer to get,
but there are so many other things that are easy
to get. So, and it has nothing to do with
your question, but I just want to put that out
there that when you look a look at the stuff
that they do, or that they've been seen eating and
whatever else, I think the smaller game items might be
more primary than deer in olk.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I just did some quick research just for clarification since
we are talking about something health related I don't want
to get it wrong, and I've heard it pronounced both
pre on and prion, so I'm going to go with
prion because that seems more correct to me, But I
could be wrong. But it says there is significant concern
that CWD could jump to humans, but there's no evidence
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to date that this has happened. Laboratory studies have shown
that chronic wasting disease prions can infect human sales and
genetically modified humanized mice, and prion diseases in the past,
like mad cow disease, have crossed this DEC's barrier with
serious effects, which raises fears that other prions could similarly
adapt over time, and since CWD is spreading and evolving,
(34:09):
that might increase cross species transmission risk in the future.
But however, research demonstrates a robust species barrier at the moment,
and that a twenty twenty four National Institute of Health
study found that high levels of CWD prions failed to
infect human brain cells, and a decade long study in
macaque showed no CWD transmission after exposure, So it seems
(34:32):
like the juries out at this point in terms of
how that could or when it could happen. But it
seems like it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Well it doesn't. That would suck. I can see it
happening though.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, if it did happen, they'd be a lot easier
to discover. Yeah, there you go, silver linings. Yeah, silver linings.
Always look at the right side. Now, we did talk
about this on the member side, but the main folks
have not heard about this yet, So this is a
good one for Cliff.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Okay, John Jackson is asking when a track is found,
everyone's first instinct is to reach for the plaster to
make a cast. Would there be any benefit to scooping
up that substrate for an e DNA analysis? Okay, yes
and no, Yes and no, not really at this point,
but maybe hopefully in the future. I've got a couple
(35:22):
of thoughts on this, and I hate to be contrarian.
Two questions in a row. I think the first indication,
or first instinct is for people to touch the thing.
People just touch footprints in the ground. They go, oh
my gosh, look at this, and they touch it immediately.
That's because humans, of course, their dominant sense is sight,
so they look at it and go oh my gosh.
And then the secondary is they're going to touch it,
(35:42):
just like when my dog, so she was still alive,
dog rest her soul, first thing she would do is
smell it, because that's their dominant sense, and then she'd
put in her mouth. I see it every single day
when I'm doing these gigs, you know, doing these events
and speaking gigs, and I'm at my table. People come up,
they go, oh my gosh, look at that, and they
immediately touch whatever is on there. So first instinct is
always a touch to the thing, which is a hard
(36:04):
thing to overcome, you know. So first n sync is that.
But of course I know what you're actually saying. You're
not really saying that, but I just want to bring
that up again, just to put that out there that
if you are ever lucky enough to see a nice
looking print in the ground, do not touch it, please.
But as far as benefits of scooping up the substrate
for an DNA analysis, my understanding of e DNA at
(36:25):
this point, I'm no expert at all. I'm involved in
a study with the Darby or cut in the North
Carolina State University and all that stuff, but I'm not
an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just
a nerd like you guys, a learner whoa whoa, well
like everybody else about you bombs but you're still a learner,
right yeah, just not the nerd part. But anyway, like
(36:45):
the DNA part, at this point, I don't think there's
necessarily any benefit for that, and that's it's because of this,
it's because of the difficulties with the E DNA. The
way Darby is plained it to me is that at
this point, since we do not have sasquatch DNA, we
(37:05):
do not have a known sample. Finding an unknown sample
is kind of like saying this to somebody, Okay, there's
a word in this encyclopedia or better at the internet.
There's a word on the Internet. It could have nine
to seventy letters in it, and I'm not going to
(37:26):
tell you what that word is. Go find it. And
you're like, what, see, Yeah, there's a word out there.
I know what it is, but really nobody knows what
it is, and we're not going to tell you what
it is. But you have to go find that word
on the Internet. And that's kind of what it's like.
Whereas if you had had a sasquatch sample, that word
(37:46):
would be known, and you can just go, oh, I'm
going to use the search function. I'm going to use
the find function. I'm going to find this guy and
google it and there you got it, right, But that's
not the way it is right now. We don't know
what We don't even know what we're looking for. We
know some but it should kind of look like but
that's an assumption as well. So anyway, that's kind of
what the EDNA situation is right now. So the EDNA
(38:09):
study that I'm involved in right now, Yeah, I mean,
I guess there's a really far outside chance of actually
getting an DNA hit on the thing, maybe maybe depending
on the type of tests that you want to run,
which you know, the better the test, the more expensive
it is, et cetera. But the stuff that we're trying
to do is learn a little bit about maybe where
they're going or whatever might be in there, you know,
(38:31):
like we take some samples from within the footprint and
with outside the outside the footprint and compare them all
and see what's only inside versus only outside, right, So
seeing what we can learn. Maybe there's a pall in
or something might tell us where they're hanging out. We
don't know we don't know what there is. But at
this point in the game, even the basic tests, you know,
at at cost, not even retail, like if you go
(38:53):
to a lab, you got to pay more for time
and all at cost. Just the materials are several thousand dollars.
Who wants to do that? You know, like, do you
want to do that? I meant most bigfooters, most people
in general, just don't have that kind of funded funding.
So at this point, I'm not so sure it's worth
collecting the soil from that. You know, Darby knows I
(39:16):
have the mattress prints, and I took the soil from
the mattress before I frame them, before I frame the
swatches there. He knows I have those. You can. I've
got probably twenty or thirty casts in my garage right now,
cast over the last few years. That's still a dirt
on them. He knows that too. Not interested in it,
(39:38):
right because there's not much you could do about that
at this point. So I think in the future, once
we get a hit on sasquatch DNA, then I think
that's going to be of interest because you can find out, oh,
which sasquatch was this when we start keeping track of
individuals in certain areas. Most of that will be done,
just like with other mammals, by studying the signs they
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leave behind, not by visually observing sasquatches. All mammals, whether
you're talking you know whatever, bears or sasquatches or what.
All mammals are very hard to observe with your eyes.
Most of them are nocturnal, most of them don't want
to have anything to do with you know you're coming
before you get there and leave the area. So the
best way to study mammals is to look at the
(40:22):
sport the stuff they leave behind. So when we have
the sasquatch yet, we will, in my opinion, we will
be tracking sasquatch individuals by their DNA And that's my
hopes of working with North Carolina State University at this
point is that they will get a hit and then
we can go back to the data I've already collected
(40:42):
and start tracking those individuals and continue doing it, you know,
for the rest of my life. I think that would
be a fantastic way to spend my time, But at
this point I'm not so sure that there's any use
in that. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. Be right back after these messages, do
(41:08):
you ice?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I just found dude that I've been like, I found
on the move, I said the rest of I found
some really cool stuff. I found some stuff, some possible
hair DNA or hair hair samples.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I know a guy, his name's Derby.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna send them. I'm gonna send them in
next week.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Let me know if you need a direction to send
that or phone number, email or something like that.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Okay, well there is one more written submission. I think
this would be a fun one to end on. I
like such thought experiments.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Nathan Craig, if you could go back in time to
investigate one particular event or sighting within the Bigfoot world
that isn't the PG sighting? What which which would it be?
And why.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
There's so many?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Which one would you want to be there to be
present for to observe to see if it went down
the way they said it went down.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Maybe Ape Canyon, just because it's so iconic, but that
would be kind of scared they didn't see too much.
Maybe not that's something.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, but you could just be posted up on the
hillside or like wherever you have a commanding view, you know.
And I'm guessing since you have a time machine, like
you could bring a thermal back with you, you know,
or a camera or something.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It doesn't say that for it.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Oh, he did say investigate, so we have to assume that,
like this event just happened and you're the investigator and
you go out there. He didn't say witness. He didn't
say witness it. He said investigate one particular event or
sighting close very semantically oriented today. Yeah, I'm full of
piss and vinegar. Is why, man, You're like, wow, first instinct.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
It had been pretty cool to see the cripple foot
tracks in the ground.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, from it's got to be the Framan footage for me. Yeah,
because no one did it for so long, you know,
I mean, growing up in Bigfoot Land, people were saying, oh,
the area has changed so much, they developed it, blah
blah blah. Oh that wasn't true. The trees are all
still there. Nobody, I mean apparently West, Summerlin and maybe Paul.
I think West did it for sure, but I don't
know if Paul did it. Measured the tree at the
(43:00):
time and they said it was about seven feet about.
Isn't good enough, you know, I mean, and the footprints
that were there. There were other footprints at the site,
and of course Paul told conflicting stories about what he
did immediately afterwards, probably out of embarrassment because he was
so afraid. So there's a lot of unfinished business in
my opinion, having to do with the Freeman footage. So
(43:23):
for me, it would have to be that event, because
there was a lot there that was not mined, you know,
and it should have been that every ounce of gold
should have been gotten out of that one before it
was put away. And I just don't think that it
was a very robust investigation closer to the actual event
of August twentieth, nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
What did the invent poster where you could commercially buy
plaster of Paris? Do you don't have any idea about that?
Like or something similar, really similar?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I think that then like the Romans have it or
something like that. I don't know, well, I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Think you go on a store and just buy it
like a bag.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Who knows or no.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I'm going to stick to my interpretation because I think
if you have a time machine, it's not like, hey,
here's a time machine. You can go to any time
except when it happened. You can only go in the aftermath.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Of what it happened. That'd be a pretty crappy time machine.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Oh the Balman Balman, I'd go Bauman.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I would want to see the Glenn Thomas sighting. Imagine
if you had a camera and you can get footage
of that whole event, if it happened the way he
said it, you'd get minutes of daylight, unobstructed footage of
them interacting with those rocks, which are still displaced to
this day. And you'd be able to document all that
and show the world exactly what moved those rocks.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
And it'd be a long extended clip.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
You'd know what an adult male and adult female juvenile
look like. I mean, there'd be so much if you
could just get posted up with a camera and document that.
There's other things I'd want to see or experience, like
a canyon would be super cool. A bunch of those
other stories, but I think that one would be the
most data rich.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, well, I mean you're changed it there, but you're
saying you're gonna view it.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, he says if you could go back in time.
I don't think he's saying investigate. I mean I think
he's saying, like to participate in, to observe, to investigate,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Like, it's a time machine.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
It's not like, hey, you can go back to any
point in time except while the thing's happening. You can
only go back in time after it happened. That doesn't
make any sense, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, but then you can investigate it. Then you can
investigate it. Well, you could witness it and investigate it afterwards.
Nathan Craig, You're gonna have to tell us did you
mean investigate or witness?
Speaker 3 (45:37):
You're causing problems here, man, straighten it out.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
You're like breaking up the trio. You're gonna get it.
You think we're all in different states or be a
fistfight right now.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Nathan Craig's a Yoko Ono of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I think just offering a thought experiment about a time machine.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
It can't have too many.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
He already put in one caveat, like anything other than
the patterns, insiding like, okay, I'll give you that one caveat,
but then to have other well, you can only.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Go in the aftermath. You can only investigate it afterwards.
It's like, come on, man, let me ask you this.
Did Bob Gimlin investigate the Patterson Giblin site or did
Bob Titmas investigate the Patterson Giblin site.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
I would say Gimblin did both. He not only observed
the thing that happened, but then you know, he subsequently
followed up on the tracks and they cast a right
and laughed, et cetera, et cetera. I think you're zero,
very hung up on like the literal technical definition of
investigate here in your semantic obsession today.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Perhaps I like that plaster of Paris.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
It's been available since the eighteen hundreds commercially, like you
go in and buy it. So I'm just wondering why
no one else casts tracks sooner.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Good question.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
That is a good question.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
You should submit it using the contact form below and
see what we'll answer it next time.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Remember, but Nathan, I want I want to know your intent. Nathan,
send us an email. Get this all riled up? Yeah,
I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Well, that is it for the written submissions, and we
got plenty of submissions and a voicemail from the pigeons.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
All right, cou cou COO.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Want to gets out of here? Bobs.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Oh okay, I'm gonna leave in all that silence, you're
great for it. All right, folks, that's another episode of
Bigfoot and Beyond. We appreciate you tuning in. Hit like
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And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Boobo Fay.
I hear the resonant sounds of Bobo's new Man cave.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yep, you're hearing it.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
It sounds cavernous.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's not cavernous. I'm up in the guest room.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okay, but's just is it kind of like the bat
cave at all? I mean, is it the stone walls
with like flying rodents or anything.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's got all redwood, little four inch tongue and grooves
slaps around the whole thing on the walls, and then
it's got a white panted roof. So it's not it's
not totally dark at all. It's it's it's a pretty
nice balance nice.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That sounds great, man, because your other house, being right
on the beach, was often very gloomy and stuff like that,
and you know it had dark wooden walls, so it
was darker inside than so your new situation is much
more bright and cheery.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, I did the last couple of days. I get up,
I look and I look west down the bedroom milks
due west and I look out. I just see this
gray wall like about five miles away over on.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The coast, meaning the cloud the fog, right, yeah, the
coastal fog. Holy smell. You're out of the fog.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Wow, it's weird.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
That's kind of cool though.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, I'm stuck. I'm stuked. I mean, like, you know,
I'm a little homesick when we miss like there's certain
things we miss, you know. But it's cool. I'm excited
for the change. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Well, it's better to be homesick than sick with black mold,
like like the last place, you know exactly. Oh that's great. Well, congratulations.
How did the move go. That must have been because
you've been pretty uh entrenched, I guess in that last
place for decades.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, And hell, I had no I knew it was
going to be a hassle, but I had no idea
how bad because when I moved in, like I just
kind of moved like I had another place. I was
living at that beach house. The rent was like three
twenty five or something when I moved in, and I
was splitting it with Kyle. So you know, it's like
I had a beach house for like less than two
(02:19):
hundred bucks a month. So I was like, oh sweets.
I'd go back and forth, and over the course of
a couple of years, stuff moved in. And then when
I moved in, moved in, I didn't have any good
stuff at my old house because it was just a
total party pass or everything. It was the rash. I
just got rid of it and just moved in and
just got you know, bought a couple of couches and
you know, it was it just transition. It was nothing.
It took me like two hours to move in. You
(02:41):
know when I moved.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Places in your hont A Civic.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, oh, this wasn't funny, but it was kind of crazy.
Was we were moving my big half ton gun safe.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, it's a big one man, what is it six
feet tall?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, And we were hauling it up there. We were
there was four of us hauling it up the stairs
and had it on a big special Dolly, heavy duty
dolly for moving that kind of stuff. I was pushing
up from below and Albo was pushing from below, and
then these two other guys, jeffro and trash on top
pulling and the matt was there to wipe your feet off,
(03:17):
and he leaned back and pushed off so hard it
shot out. That shot the mat out from under him,
and he landed on his back, and then Jeffro couldn't
hold it by himself and so it fell on both
of them. Dude, that crushed him dead. No, no, just
like bad bruising and banged up and just really sore.
And Jeffro got kind of tore up. He had lost
a bunch of skin off was like his whole upper
(03:39):
arm and down his arm forearm. And he was leaving
the next day to go on a tuna trip out
of San Diego, h and m on a long long
range tuna trip. But it's not the best time they
go out to see on a fishing boat. When he
got he's probably got like one hundred and fifty square
inch gap of missing skin.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh jeez, well you sold it to me. When you
called me and gave me the date.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You were like, Oh, they're totally cool because they're skaters
and they like love scars and stuff, so they're.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Cool, I said, I said, they love scars. They're just
used to them. They don't care like they're both like
they're both hardcore skaters and just like whatever, like like
there's like they're they're covered in scars, so they're they're
just like, yeah, no worries.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, I'm sure that salt water will feel good on
that bear, like missing skin. Yeah in the sun? Oh man?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah, yeah, what's what's squatchy going on? Oh man?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Well, I went, I was in the woods this morning.
I did the dawn patrol. I was out there before
dark or before daylight rather in the dark. I found
a couple of maybes. And there's another spot that I
this other spot that I was working, but some other
people are working it also, and uh it turns out
like two weeks ago I found some fake tracks in
(04:51):
the area. So that's unfortunate, like obviously tracks, Yeah, so
so unfortunate. That's the first so which brings up a
lot of problems of course, you know, because there's a
hoaxer in the area, and so the.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Guy that told you probably told someone else that you're
up there looking around up there.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Well you know, these other guys been working the spot
for a while and stuff. But I think what the
deal is is that, I mean, I don't think it's
one of them, like I know them. I don't think
it's one of them. But they've been bringing other people there,
and word, I think word got out that they're working
the spots, and I don't I don't know what the
deal is. I don't know like the whole you know,
(05:26):
politics sucks.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Do that sucks. That's why I keep it. I keep
it close to the vest. And that's why don't tell anyone.
Like I got a spot, like my good friends, I
don't tell them where it is.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so simple, man. If you don't
want people to know, don't tell them. It's that simple.
But I don't know they I have no idea. Maybe
they wanted the attention, maybe they won't just like bring
their friends out and show them or something. But but
you know, you tell one person and then well that
that one person is going to say, oh, I can
tell my brother or I can tell my my buddy,
you know, and then they tell and the next thing,
(05:56):
you know, six or seven people know. And luckily that's
not my best spot, you know, because it's not my
best spot at all, but still it's a good enough
spot that I would go there with some frequency, you know.
But Now, anything that comes out of there I have
to assume is hoaxed, or even if it's not. See,
that's the problem. There's been sightings in the area from
people I know and trust, so they are in the area,
(06:18):
you know. So it's one of these situations where we
have a good location that you know, there's a hoax
in there now. And the best analogy I have, and
I've probably said it before in the podcast, like everybody
loves a hot tub, right, feels good you go into
jacuzzi or whatever, you sit there, it's delicious, right, it
feels wonderful. Well, okay, now somebody takes a dump in
the jacuzzi. The water is still warm. It's gonna feel
(06:40):
good if you go in, but you don't want to
go in there. Dude, there's a turn in there, and
then you'll probably never go in that hot tub again.
And you know, there's a turn in the jacuzzie, basically,
is what it comes down to. That's the best analogy
I have for it. Even if there are our sasquatches there,
none of the data, none of the information can be
used now none because who knows now that the good
(07:02):
news and there was no good news in this honestly.
But one of the things about it is that I
was so capable of recognizing the wooden stomper thing because
London tracks, I'm very very well versed in that stuff.
But the stuff that i've I've previously gotten from this
one particular area looks very very good. So there's a
reasonable chance that, like the hoaxing thing is brand new,
(07:23):
because I think I would have recognized a hoax a
while ago, you know, like maybe the six months ago
or something like that, because these are so plainly fake.
So I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Many how many were there, like of the of the
the youse said the fake tracks, how many was there
like a whole trackway.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Or just a couple were Like now, it wasn't even
a trackway. It was like a few tracks here and there.
I found two or three in one spot. Then a
couple hundred yards away I found the same stomper, leaving
about two, three, five, four. I don't know. I think
I came home with six or seven fake tracks. You
cast them, yeah, definitely, absolutely, Yeah. I personally think it's
(08:01):
very important to cast fake prints when you find them.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I thought you just cast one maybe if it's the
same one over and over, or you got to cast
a couple to show us through repetitive I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's like the London tracks. Now, mind you,
I'm a bit obsessive about stuff. I have over seventy
of the London tracks, and I've said this often. If
I had one London track, if I would have just
chosen the best one and cast it, I would still
think they're real.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I just watched video on that the other day. I
was still kind of fooled by some of them. I
was like, like, we're like, did the Pirouette spin and
all that? I'm like, is that the best fake track
what you've seen? I mean, I haven't seen a lot
of them, but I never saw it in person, but
the video I saw it, but that looked like the
best one I've seen.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, I mean now that, well, I learned so much
from the London tracks. I can't say I was naive,
but I was less way less experienced. At that point.
It was twenty twelve, you know, and tracks are fairly
rare and that sort of thing. But by the way,
there's still bigfooters out there that think the London tracks
are real. Quite a few of them. Actually, one person
actually told me he's a kind of a paranormal guy
(09:02):
told me that the Bigfoots make their footprints look like
stompers in order to fool people like me, which I
think is ridiculous, of course, but it was at the
best trackway, I mean a lot. I personally think that
whoever faked that has some knowledge of sasquatch footprints. But
you know, the London track thing won't die. Last week,
(09:23):
I think it was last week, maybe the week before,
I don't know if you don't elastic timeline issues. But
recently this summer I got a text from these people
that I met. I think I met him at squatch
Fest last year in January. These people came up to
me and they said, yeah, yeah, our nephew knows about
the London tracks. He may have made them, or if
he didn't make them, he knows the person who did.
(09:44):
No way, Yeah yeah, like this past year in twenty
twenty five. Now, of course, you know, that's no different
really in substance than someone saying, oh, my neighbor's cousin
is the guy in the Patterson Gimlin film suit. R.
You know, it doesn't mean anything until there's some evidence
about it.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
But just this past week I got a text from
them saying that their nephew's ready to talk and I
should I should try to get a hold of them.
So I texted them back saying, that's awesome. Can I
have some contact information? And I have not heard back
from them yet, you know. So it's one of these things,
just one of these people on the list that I
need to reach out to again and just start poking
(10:25):
and stuff. And I spoke to them on the phone
a few months back, I think in April or something
like that, and they said, Hey, he may not want
to talk because blah blah blah, you know. And I
guess if I had hoaxed something, I may not be
so willing to talk about it either or something. But
hopefully he is. I would love love, I mean not
mind you. If anybody in the world has a reason
to want the London tracks to be real, it's me.
(10:49):
I was on TV saying they're real, you know, I
would love them to be real, but I know they're not.
But I would love to get the Stompers. God, what
a score that would be for the museum. Yeah, but
we digress. But yeah, it's a Q and a episode.
So we're going to be taking some voicemails as we
always do, and then take some written questions for me.
(11:09):
All that will jump over to the member side and
do the same thing just for our pigeons because we
love them so much. So, Matt Prutt, do you want
to tell us how people can submit questions and then
give us one? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
You can head over to Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot
com and click the contact form or click the link
in the show notes aka the episode description below.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Oh and the most requested Bobo storytime story that I've
always refused to tell. I got talked into telling the
turn the driveway, Turn the Driveway story.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Oh really, that's a good one.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, so that's coming up. So if you look and
look forward to that, you tease.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, Well, here is the first voicemail. Hey guys, my
name's Larry Heck.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I'm from the Saint Louis area and I've been interested
in the subject of Bigfoot since the midnight nineteen fifties
when i read articles in some of my dad's Argacy
and True magazines about the Edmund Hillary expedition, and anyway,
I've been following it ever since. But I just was
curious to know about what your opinion might be about
(12:17):
Reinhold Messner and the accounter he had a number of
years ago when he was crossing eastern Tibet on foot.
He said he thought that it might be some kind
of a hybrid bear that he came face to face
with as it was getting dark. Anyway, I've heard the
account as he gave it to Mark Davies, and it
was I've always thought it was really a kind of
(12:39):
a spooky thing. But I'd appreciate any comments that you
guys might have. And anyway, keep up the good work.
Love listening to you guys, you Cliff and Bobo and.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Through it. You guys do a great job.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
It's always a lot of fun. So I hope you
all are having a great day, and take care.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I got I was so mad at him. I called
him a woosie after after when he came out and
recanted all that because he took so much grief. He
like he caves. I read his book twice, and I
read the book I read about him, that all this
stuff Lauren Coleman wrote on him, And yeah, I mean
he said it was a bear that was standing up
right darting on two legs from rock to rock and whistling. Yeah.
(13:23):
I was just like, I was like, dude, because he
couldn't handle like people heckling on it. It's like you're
the bad most badass mountaineer ever. Like he's he's if
you read his stories, it's he did the most amazing
stuff and he was super respective, but he just couldn't
handle getting heckled. So he he came up with this
whole thing about it was a bear, but he, uh,
(13:44):
he didn't discover that stuff about those bears, that those
when they're juveniles they climbed trees. Sub adolescens, they their
foot is actually the morphology of the foot changes, so
he can climb trees better. And think, that's what a
lot of people thought were yetie track, except that warn't
yety tracks. So he kind of went with that, and
he just kind of went off on that direction. Ok.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I think I just found the section here in his book.
It's on page four. I'm going to read it here. Then, suddenly,
silent as a ghost, something large and dark stepped into
a space thirty feet ahead among the rhododendron bushes, a yak,
I thought, becoming excited at the thought of meeting some
Tibetans and getting a hot meal and a place to
(14:27):
sleep that evening. But the thing stood still, then noiseless,
and light footed. It raced across the forest floor, disappearing, reappearing,
picking up speed. Neither branches nor ditches slowed its progress.
This was not a yak. The fast moving silhouette dashed
behind a curtain of leaves and branches, only to step
(14:48):
out into a clearing some ten yards away. For a
few seconds, it moved upright. It was as if my
own shadow had been projected onto the thicket. For one heartbeat,
it stood motionless, and then turned away and disappeared into
the dusk. I had expected to hear it make some sound,
but there was nothing. The forest remained silent. No stones
(15:10):
rolled down the slopes, no twigs snapped. I might have
heard a few soft footfalls in the grayness of the underbrush.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
We'll be right back after these messages. Hey, Boba, whatever
(15:31):
happened to your gone squatch and hat used to wear
and finding Bigfoot?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Now I don't have that hat anymore. I gave it
to Lauren Coleman for his museum. But I might be
asking for it back because I'm getting a little nervous
in summertime, getting too much so on the scalp up
there now, and I'm getting bit uy a mosquitoes. There's
not a big lush crop to fend them off. It's
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paragraph it goes on. He talks about following it a
little bit, and it says, there in the black clay,
I found a gigantic footprint. It was absolutely distinct, even
(17:23):
the toes were unmistakable. To see that imprint was fresh.
To see that the imprint was fresh, I touched the
soil next to it. It was fresh. I took a
picture and changed and checked the soil around it. My
shoes shit and sinking nearly as deeply.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But yeah, so upright dashing about like his own shadow.
That doesn't sound like a bear, because what is at
the very end of it all That would probably be
much harder for me to find. But he comes at
the conclusion that, like no I saw a bear. I
saw a bear silently upright dashing about that appeared as
(17:59):
if his own shadow was cast upon the Nah. Yeah,
I'm with you, Bobes. I think he was stout man.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You know. I think I think it's like the second
last page hases his revamped I like when he changed
his his story.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, the second last page.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I think that's what it is. With the last page.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Maybe even well, I don't see it, and we do
have a live podcast going on here, but in the
middle of the book, we do have a plate, a
photographic plate of the the footprint, and the footprint that
he photographed is clearly a bear. So what what?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
What's the deal? Did he not describe it appropriately in
order to kind of lead us to believe that he
was observing a yetti or did did he not? Was
he unable to identify it as a bear print right there?
Because clear as day it's a bear print. You can
even see the nails in front of it. Yeah, So
there's something shady going on, like he either kind of
(18:56):
teased and let us on and the later later lead
us let us down, or he doesn't know what a
bear print looks like, which I find a little hard
to believe. Yeah, I don't know. Something shady about that.
I don't and whatever is going on, I don't think
it's cool. No, yeah, that's just my opinion. I don't.
I just think it's it's weird. Something's weird about it.
I mean, did you do that to sell books? That's
(19:18):
seems inappropriate. I don't know what the deal is, but whatever, man, whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I guess I guess we answered that one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
But let's pause a moment and give some kudos to Larry.
Since the mid fifties, he's been into this with the
Hillary pictures. That's pretty rad. That's a long time. That's
a long time man like that. That's that's impressive. So
hats off to you, Larry, and thank you for the question.
And thanks for the kind of words. Oh yeah, the
kind words too. All right, So here is the next voicemail.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Hi, Cliff Biber and Matt Nigel Cooling from LA really
enjoying the program. And I also appreciate you giving my
children's middle grade book Asha a couple of weeks ago,
Alphie and the big Foot of Bluff Greek. Thanks for
doing that. Then my question really is on bigfoot bodies.
I've been needing some research into bigfoot bodies, and I
was reading the story of the Minnesota Iceman, which was
(20:07):
a big foot that was told in the sixties as
part of a traveling show in an ice cube, and
then thought and examined. I'd love to know your thoughts
on that particular story and what you think the truth
of that is. Okay, thanks again for a wonderful program
gets me through Sunday night and the week. Keep it
Squatchy and look forward to you your thoughts and your answers.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Take care. Hey, well, Nigel, First of all, thanks for
the copy of Alfhi. I got it. That's literally on
the floor of my office waiting to be cataloged right now.
Thank you very much for the copy that I think
that was cool, really really appreciate that. So Minnesota Iceman.
Did we talk to Ken Gerhart about this? He's kind
of the expert in it right now, I think, isn't he?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
We talked to someone about it.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That's one of those things that's been brought up in
multiple episodes, but I don't think we've ever devoted a
whole episode or a big part of a discussion to it,
but we have.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
It's one of the things been touched on several times
over the years. Oh okay, because Ken's got an hour
long presentation on it and he's really done a great
job of doing some deep dives in there. Maybe we
should give him a call and have him back on
the podcast. Yeah, give Bobo a chance to not call
him le promises.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, but I mean it's it's uh. I haven't heard
Ken's talk, but I've talked to him about it in
the past, and then to meet you Baynov in Russia.
He did. He researched it for twenty five years and
he's still convinced that Jimmy Stewart bought it and had
it destroyed, the real one where he's passed now. But
until his death he thought that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, yeah, there is there. Peter Burn was chasing stuff down.
I think Todd Nice was telling me that Peter was
really working hard on that until pretty close to his death,
you know, just a few years ago as well. But
I kind of wonder if the Jimmy Stewart thing is
just kind of echoes of the Yetti hand thing, the
pain bull chief hand, you know. I kind of wonder
about that, if that's one of these, if there's any
(21:59):
paper trail at all, or if it's factual. I think
Todd was telling me that Peter was on the trail
of Oh, what's that guy, you know, the very very
wealthy guy, the spruce goose guy. You know what I'm
talking about, Howard Hughes. Howard Hughes. Yeah, I thought that
Peter was saying that he had something to do with
it or something. But I guess the longest short of
it when it comes down to it, as far as
(22:20):
the iceman to put it simply, it's like, I don't
know what was going on. Clearly the second one was fake.
Was there ever a first one? Who knows? I know
personally several people who have who saw the thing when
it was on tour through Minnesota and Frank Hanson's display thing,
And at least one of those people, if not more
(22:41):
than one, told me they could smell it's now. Of
course you could just put rotting flesh and something like
that and probably stink up the place pretty good. And
I wouldn't be surprised if mister Hanson, you know, was
that savvy to do that. You know who is?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, because they put the light, that light showed it
up better than the heat from the bowl cracked the
glass and then they got a powerful whiff of decaying flesh. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, there was a new book that was translated from
the French who Webman's wrote the book, of course, and
I think Lauren Coleman, I think we had something to
do with re releasing it, and I just don't remember.
I've got again. I had the book on the shelf,
but it was translated from the French, and that was
an excellent account of it because as Ivan Sanderson and
Welbleman and whatever and kind of there talks about it
(23:23):
and well, they're their thoughts on it because they are
the people who saw it firsthand and first on top
of that, they were kind of the first investigators really
check it out. A lot of great photographs in it,
I think, if I remember right, Krantz commented in his
book that after it was dethowed and refrozen, you could
see that things had changed positions a bit. Some of
(23:44):
the details I remember off the top of my head,
pimples and flex a dirt in the follicles and small
hairs and that sort of stuff like I wouldn't be
a bit surprised if there was something real to that.
But at the same time Frank Hanson, I believe it's
kind of a showman if if I understand the reading correctly.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, I think that the Jimmy Stewart rumor came about
because Hanson had claimed that, you know that the reason
that the real body was not available to show anymore
was that there was like a wealthy, well known person
who was fairly evangelical who had purchased it and didn't
want it to be displayed, like some kind of vague
statement like that. That then people try to figure out
(24:26):
who this person could be, and because of the pangboci
hand involvement, they assumed it was Jimmy Stewart, if I'm
remembering that correct. But I think that's how that came about.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
That sounds about right. And there's always some sort of
like religious thing in there, like somebody was hiding it
so they like you wouldn't question evolution or something like that,
or you know, some some religious thing. But I think
that we're gonna have to be okay with no resolution
on the Minnesota Iceman thing unless somebody pops up with
(24:55):
the corpse at some point. But where we stand now
the Latex dummy, I guess the second one the model
that the rumor has it replaced the original, if the
original ever existed at all. That's in a museum in Austin.
It's like a Museum of the Strange or something like that.
I think it's called the Museum of the Weird, Museum
(25:16):
of the Weird. I was close for me. That's pretty good. Yeah,
so that's down in Austin, Texas. If I remember right,
I'd love to go see that. That'd be a cool
museum to go check out too. Yeah, maybe we should
invite ken Gerhard back on and you can talk about that,
because I know he's kind of done more work on
that than anybody I know as far as like you know,
being out of the road and seeing presentations that he
(25:38):
has a whole presentation about it, and he's really spent
a lot of time on that one.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
The three of most cited people's explanations where it came
from is they say it was shot in Vietnam, like
it came back in the Vietnam War. It was shot
on the Ho Chi Min trailer or something like that.
And then there's some servicemen snuck up back to the US.
There's the one that was shot by a guy in Siberia.
That's why it's eyeballs hanging out. And then the other
(26:04):
one was was got up like Minnesota area, somewhere up there,
the Minnesota, miss Upper potential, Michigan somewhere up there.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Well, the two versions I heard is somebody shot at Minnesota,
so that overlaps. Another version I heard is that it
was found floating in a block of ice or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Oh yeah, yes, that's another one.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, there's a lot of rumors associated with that.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
But it looks like it looks like it got shot
in the head though, So it looks like, you know,
it was modern.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Yeah, and if I remember the back of the head,
which is what blew the eyeball out of the socket.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, that's when I just love to know the truth.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, I'd like to think there was something there, and
maybe there was. I just don't have enough information. But again,
people I personally know have seen this thing like they
saw it back in the sixties, and they say, I
think it was real.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah. One of our sound one of our sound consultants
for Wild There Sounds and former guests on the show, Dave,
he saw it. I think he saw it twy.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I think I was seeking a will a doctor epiphone
you know, Yeah, yeah, that works for epiphone guitars. Like
he saw it too.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yeah, I mean I've talked about people that saw it
and they were like, yeah, I mean people like that
really set close with magnifying glasses.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You can see that every hair follicle, like it was amazing. Yeah,
based on what I've read, I kind of think there
might have been something there. But I certainly would like
to think there's something there. But again, who knows. And
at this point does it do unless somebody comes up
with the bones or something, does it do with any
good I don't know. Yeah, I have to be okay
(27:37):
with not having a resolution on that one.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, because he took it to Canada and then he
was totally he wasn't gonna be able to bring it
back or something, because that's why he made the rubber
mold or that's where that all came about. Because I
guess he made the rubber one because he was so
afraid that he was gonna get caught for like murder
or something.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Frank Hanson though, like he not only did he have
this you know Minnesota Iceman possible body and stuff, he
had like historical John Deere tractors as well. Oh yeah,
the very very first one. I think maybe I'm not
sure about that. Yeah, certainly historical tractors like this is
a known thing. Pretty interesting, But again that just means
he's a showman, which probably means he probably shouldn't be trusted.
(28:18):
So I don't know. I don't know, Like everything else
in bigfoot Land, man, just like there's so many convoluted
avenues and rumors and this, and that's I.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Think you just getting the wrath of the Carneys.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Or the Bigfoot community. I don't know. Yeah, clowns in
the circus. Well, thank you for that question, Nigel, and
thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I did get a copy of the book as well,
so greatly appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And here is an equally gruesome and macabre question for.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
You, Hey, Cliff and Bobo. Adam Gusman for Texas here
big fan, been listening since the beginning. Had a non
Bigfoot question for you, Cliff, you've mentioned Oingo Boingo many times,
Just curious what your favorite song is, and same question
for you, Bobo, but regards sublime.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Thanks guys, and keep it Squatchy.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
My favorite Oingo Boingo's song, private Life.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Oh, it's a great one.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
This is my private life. Yeah, I like it only
a lad too, because that reminds me of dancing at
the high school dances. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, gosh, that whole period, like those three albums. See
dead Man's Party. It's okay. I think that's when they
turned the page. It's just like, uh like like like
the Chili Peppers, they turned the page and became kind
of much more mainstream. I should with like Blood Sex
Magic I think it was called. And the albums before that, though,
are the best ones by far. I think dead Man's
(29:36):
Party did that. They put dead Man's Party put uh
Oingo Boingo on the charts, but the albums before that
only lad. It was a good fear of soul and
nothing to fear those three albums. I don't think there's
a bad cut on any of those albums.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
And they asked you what was my favorite Sublime song?
Oh God, I couldn't say just one. I like, uh,
I like it SCP, I like uh what happened There's
I like. I like several of them a lot. Uh oh.
DJs Man.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
When it comes to their singles, Santo Ria is my
favorite of the radio hits.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, that's that's good. So I like, I love Sanaa
and uh Badfish. That's a great one.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Santoria to me like really flexes all the like songwriting chops,
vocal chops, you know, there's some humor in it. Great
guitar chops in that solo, which is like a super
clean solo. You know, it's like a really technical solo,
but it's not you know, overdriven and compressed. Like it's
just there's a whole lot of chops in that song
that covers a lot of ground.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. That
is it for the voicemails. So let me grab some
of these written submissions. Yeah, we still have some time
(31:02):
for a couple of those, I think. Yeah, So here
is the first of the written questions for you. Would
you like to read it?
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Bobo? Sure? Bob Brewer, that deer and elk throughout thought
to be primary food sources for squash. Has anyone brought
up the possible effects of wasting disease? It's been prevalent
in Colorado for years, it's now in the ozars. Could
sus squats be vulnerable in these areas. As your dad bruh.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
It does not seem to have made the leap from
ungulates to primates. So there's plenty of humans who've consumed
ungulate flesh that has chronic wasting disease and it's not
shown up in humans yet. I don't know that it's impossible.
It might be very possible. I've heard a number of
different podcasts and experts speak about it, but it seems
(31:47):
like the concern for that is existent, but a fairly
low concern at this point, as far as I understand.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
It, and you know, I'd like to pop in here
that I think the deer and elk thing might be
over played a bit.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I know money Maker would disagree with me. He's one
hundred percent on the deer train. As far as I know,
I think the deer and elk thing might be just
a bit over like pushed a little too hard. I
think so to be primary food sources, Okay, primary maybe.
I think that in the same sort of way that
chocolate pudding is a primary resource or a primary food
item for Cliff. Deer and elk would be fantastic items
(32:24):
to get when they can, but the evidence that I've
personally observed in my own life with my own eyes
indicates that rodents and insects seem to be primary food sources.
So I don't know because I haven't seen, you know,
piles of deer and deer. I haven't seen all that stuff.
(32:44):
I do think there's a correlation, and I think that
part of that correlation is not only that Sasquatches would
be happy to take deer down if they could, and
they do. Don't get me wrong, I just don't. I hesitate, man,
I could be very very wrong, but Moneymaker would certainly
say I am. But I hesitate to say that deer
and elk are the primary food sources for sasquatch. I
(33:06):
think it's like the items that they would prefer to get,
but there are so many other things that are easy
to get. So, and it has nothing to do with
your question, but I just want to put that out
there that when you look a look at the stuff
that they do, or that they've been seen eating and
whatever else, I think the smaller game items might be
more primary than deer in olk.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I just did some quick research just for clarification since
we are talking about something health related I don't want
to get it wrong, and I've heard it pronounced both
pre on and prion, so I'm going to go with
prion because that seems more correct to me, But I
could be wrong. But it says there is significant concern
that CWD could jump to humans, but there's no evidence
(33:46):
to date that this has happened. Laboratory studies have shown
that chronic wasting disease prions can infect human sales and
genetically modified humanized mice, and prion diseases in the past,
like mad cow disease, have crossed this DEC's barrier with
serious effects, which raises fears that other prions could similarly
adapt over time, and since CWD is spreading and evolving,
(34:09):
that might increase cross species transmission risk in the future.
But however, research demonstrates a robust species barrier at the moment,
and that a twenty twenty four National Institute of Health
study found that high levels of CWD prions failed to
infect human brain cells, and a decade long study in
macaque showed no CWD transmission after exposure, So it seems
(34:32):
like the juries out at this point in terms of
how that could or when it could happen. But it
seems like it hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Well it doesn't. That would suck. I can see it
happening though.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, if it did happen, they'd be a lot easier
to discover. Yeah, there you go, silver linings. Yeah, silver linings.
Always look at the right side. Now, we did talk
about this on the member side, but the main folks
have not heard about this yet, So this is a
good one for Cliff.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Okay, John Jackson is asking when a track is found,
everyone's first instinct is to reach for the plaster to
make a cast. Would there be any benefit to scooping
up that substrate for an e DNA analysis? Okay, yes
and no, Yes and no, not really at this point,
but maybe hopefully in the future. I've got a couple
(35:22):
of thoughts on this, and I hate to be contrarian.
Two questions in a row. I think the first indication,
or first instinct is for people to touch the thing.
People just touch footprints in the ground. They go, oh
my gosh, look at this, and they touch it immediately.
That's because humans, of course, their dominant sense is sight,
so they look at it and go oh my gosh.
And then the secondary is they're going to touch it,
(35:42):
just like when my dog, so she was still alive,
dog rest her soul, first thing she would do is
smell it, because that's their dominant sense, and then she'd
put in her mouth. I see it every single day
when I'm doing these gigs, you know, doing these events
and speaking gigs, and I'm at my table. People come up,
they go, oh my gosh, look at that, and they
immediately touch whatever is on there. So first instinct is
always a touch to the thing, which is a hard
(36:04):
thing to overcome, you know. So first n sync is that.
But of course I know what you're actually saying. You're
not really saying that, but I just want to bring
that up again, just to put that out there that
if you are ever lucky enough to see a nice
looking print in the ground, do not touch it, please.
But as far as benefits of scooping up the substrate
for an DNA analysis, my understanding of e DNA at
(36:25):
this point, I'm no expert at all. I'm involved in
a study with the Darby or cut in the North
Carolina State University and all that stuff, but I'm not
an expert by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just
a nerd like you guys, a learner whoa whoa, well
like everybody else about you bombs but you're still a learner,
right yeah, just not the nerd part. But anyway, like
(36:45):
the DNA part, at this point, I don't think there's
necessarily any benefit for that, and that's it's because of this,
it's because of the difficulties with the E DNA. The
way Darby is plained it to me is that at
this point, since we do not have sasquatch DNA, we
(37:05):
do not have a known sample. Finding an unknown sample
is kind of like saying this to somebody, Okay, there's
a word in this encyclopedia or better at the internet.
There's a word on the Internet. It could have nine
to seventy letters in it, and I'm not going to
(37:26):
tell you what that word is. Go find it. And
you're like, what, see, Yeah, there's a word out there.
I know what it is, but really nobody knows what
it is, and we're not going to tell you what
it is. But you have to go find that word
on the Internet. And that's kind of what it's like.
Whereas if you had had a sasquatch sample, that word
(37:46):
would be known, and you can just go, oh, I'm
going to use the search function. I'm going to use
the find function. I'm going to find this guy and
google it and there you got it, right, But that's
not the way it is right now. We don't know
what We don't even know what we're looking for. We
know some but it should kind of look like but
that's an assumption as well. So anyway, that's kind of
what the EDNA situation is right now. So the EDNA
(38:09):
study that I'm involved in right now, Yeah, I mean,
I guess there's a really far outside chance of actually
getting an DNA hit on the thing, maybe maybe depending
on the type of tests that you want to run,
which you know, the better the test, the more expensive
it is, et cetera. But the stuff that we're trying
to do is learn a little bit about maybe where
they're going or whatever might be in there, you know,
(38:31):
like we take some samples from within the footprint and
with outside the outside the footprint and compare them all
and see what's only inside versus only outside, right, So
seeing what we can learn. Maybe there's a pall in
or something might tell us where they're hanging out. We
don't know we don't know what there is. But at
this point in the game, even the basic tests, you know,
at at cost, not even retail, like if you go
(38:53):
to a lab, you got to pay more for time
and all at cost. Just the materials are several thousand dollars.
Who wants to do that? You know, like, do you
want to do that? I meant most bigfooters, most people
in general, just don't have that kind of funded funding.
So at this point, I'm not so sure it's worth
collecting the soil from that. You know, Darby knows I
(39:16):
have the mattress prints, and I took the soil from
the mattress before I frame them, before I frame the
swatches there. He knows I have those. You can. I've
got probably twenty or thirty casts in my garage right now,
cast over the last few years. That's still a dirt
on them. He knows that too. Not interested in it,
(39:38):
right because there's not much you could do about that
at this point. So I think in the future, once
we get a hit on sasquatch DNA, then I think
that's going to be of interest because you can find out, oh,
which sasquatch was this when we start keeping track of
individuals in certain areas. Most of that will be done,
just like with other mammals, by studying the signs they
(40:00):
leave behind, not by visually observing sasquatches. All mammals, whether
you're talking you know whatever, bears or sasquatches or what.
All mammals are very hard to observe with your eyes.
Most of them are nocturnal, most of them don't want
to have anything to do with you know you're coming
before you get there and leave the area. So the
best way to study mammals is to look at the
(40:22):
sport the stuff they leave behind. So when we have
the sasquatch yet, we will, in my opinion, we will
be tracking sasquatch individuals by their DNA And that's my
hopes of working with North Carolina State University at this
point is that they will get a hit and then
we can go back to the data I've already collected
(40:42):
and start tracking those individuals and continue doing it, you know,
for the rest of my life. I think that would
be a fantastic way to spend my time, But at
this point I'm not so sure that there's any use
in that. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. Be right back after these messages, do
(41:08):
you ice?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I just found dude that I've been like, I found
on the move, I said the rest of I found
some really cool stuff. I found some stuff, some possible
hair DNA or hair hair samples.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
I know a guy, his name's Derby.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna send them. I'm gonna send them in
next week.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Let me know if you need a direction to send
that or phone number, email or something like that.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Okay, well there is one more written submission. I think
this would be a fun one to end on. I
like such thought experiments.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Nathan Craig, if you could go back in time to
investigate one particular event or sighting within the Bigfoot world
that isn't the PG sighting? What which which would it be?
And why.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
There's so many?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Which one would you want to be there to be
present for to observe to see if it went down
the way they said it went down.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Maybe Ape Canyon, just because it's so iconic, but that
would be kind of scared they didn't see too much.
Maybe not that's something.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, but you could just be posted up on the
hillside or like wherever you have a commanding view, you know.
And I'm guessing since you have a time machine, like
you could bring a thermal back with you, you know,
or a camera or something.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
It doesn't say that for it.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Oh, he did say investigate, so we have to assume that,
like this event just happened and you're the investigator and
you go out there. He didn't say witness. He didn't
say witness it. He said investigate one particular event or
sighting close very semantically oriented today. Yeah, I'm full of
piss and vinegar. Is why, man, You're like, wow, first instinct.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
It had been pretty cool to see the cripple foot
tracks in the ground.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, from it's got to be the Framan footage for me. Yeah,
because no one did it for so long, you know,
I mean, growing up in Bigfoot Land, people were saying, oh,
the area has changed so much, they developed it, blah
blah blah. Oh that wasn't true. The trees are all
still there. Nobody, I mean apparently West, Summerlin and maybe Paul.
I think West did it for sure, but I don't
know if Paul did it. Measured the tree at the
(43:00):
time and they said it was about seven feet about.
Isn't good enough, you know, I mean, and the footprints
that were there. There were other footprints at the site,
and of course Paul told conflicting stories about what he
did immediately afterwards, probably out of embarrassment because he was
so afraid. So there's a lot of unfinished business in
my opinion, having to do with the Freeman footage. So
(43:23):
for me, it would have to be that event, because
there was a lot there that was not mined, you know,
and it should have been that every ounce of gold
should have been gotten out of that one before it
was put away. And I just don't think that it
was a very robust investigation closer to the actual event
of August twentieth, nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
What did the invent poster where you could commercially buy
plaster of Paris? Do you don't have any idea about that?
Like or something similar, really similar?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I think that then like the Romans have it or
something like that. I don't know, well, I mean.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Think you go on a store and just buy it
like a bag.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Who knows or no.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
I'm going to stick to my interpretation because I think
if you have a time machine, it's not like, hey,
here's a time machine. You can go to any time
except when it happened. You can only go in the aftermath.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Of what it happened. That'd be a pretty crappy time machine.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Oh the Balman Balman, I'd go Bauman.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I would want to see the Glenn Thomas sighting. Imagine
if you had a camera and you can get footage
of that whole event, if it happened the way he
said it, you'd get minutes of daylight, unobstructed footage of
them interacting with those rocks, which are still displaced to
this day. And you'd be able to document all that
and show the world exactly what moved those rocks.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
And it'd be a long extended clip.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
You'd know what an adult male and adult female juvenile
look like. I mean, there'd be so much if you
could just get posted up with a camera and document that.
There's other things I'd want to see or experience, like
a canyon would be super cool. A bunch of those
other stories, but I think that one would be the
most data rich.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, well, I mean you're changed it there, but you're
saying you're gonna view it.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, he says if you could go back in time.
I don't think he's saying investigate. I mean I think
he's saying, like to participate in, to observe, to investigate,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Like, it's a time machine.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
It's not like, hey, you can go back to any
point in time except while the thing's happening. You can
only go back in time after it happened. That doesn't
make any sense, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, but then you can investigate it. Then you can
investigate it. Well, you could witness it and investigate it afterwards.
Nathan Craig, You're gonna have to tell us did you
mean investigate or witness?
Speaker 3 (45:37):
You're causing problems here, man, straighten it out.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
You're like breaking up the trio. You're gonna get it.
You think we're all in different states or be a
fistfight right now.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
Nathan Craig's a Yoko Ono of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I think just offering a thought experiment about a time machine.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
It can't have too many.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
He already put in one caveat, like anything other than
the patterns, insiding like, okay, I'll give you that one caveat,
but then to have other well, you can only.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Go in the aftermath. You can only investigate it afterwards.
It's like, come on, man, let me ask you this.
Did Bob Gimlin investigate the Patterson Giblin site or did
Bob Titmas investigate the Patterson Giblin site.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
I would say Gimblin did both. He not only observed
the thing that happened, but then you know, he subsequently
followed up on the tracks and they cast a right
and laughed, et cetera, et cetera. I think you're zero,
very hung up on like the literal technical definition of
investigate here in your semantic obsession today.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Perhaps I like that plaster of Paris.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
It's been available since the eighteen hundreds commercially, like you
go in and buy it. So I'm just wondering why
no one else casts tracks sooner.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Good question.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
That is a good question.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
You should submit it using the contact form below and
see what we'll answer it next time.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Remember, but Nathan, I want I want to know your intent. Nathan,
send us an email. Get this all riled up? Yeah,
I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Well, that is it for the written submissions, and we
got plenty of submissions and a voicemail from the pigeons.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
All right, cou cou COO.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Want to gets out of here? Bobs.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Oh okay, I'm gonna leave in all that silence, you're
great for it. All right, folks, that's another episode of
Bigfoot and Beyond. We appreciate you tuning in. Hit like
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Keep it squatchy.
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