Ep. 328 - Hybrid Hominins, Bug Bites, Orca Offers, and More!

Cliff Barackman, James "Bobo" Fay, and Matt Pruitt dive into the newsfeed to discuss potential hybrid hominins, evidence that Neanderthals ate maggots, ancient tools from the "Hobbit's" neighbor, and gift-giving orca whales. Check out Pruitt's recent appearance on Sasquatch Chronicles! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Stock and Greatest Gone Yesterday and listening.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Oh watchy limb always keep its watching.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hello, Bobo, what's up?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Cliff? Oh?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
All sorts of stuff, All sorts of stuff, live in
the dream, waking up, screaming every once in all, but definitely
living the dream.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, I just got back from Ohio. I was out
there for the Hawking Hills Bigfoot Festival. Hawking Hills Bigfoot
Festival once again roaring success, which is kind of a
that wasn't necessarily a given this year, Bobo. Why, well,
it's because, well, you know, the last couple of years
it's been absolutely ridiculous, just absolutely ridiculous. I think last year,

(01:01):
the conservative estimates indicate that about forty or forty five
thousand people showed up, and it may have been as
much as fifty or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah. Year before that, I think it was eleven or twenty.
I don't know, a lot of people come to this thing.
And of course because it's not a conference. You know,
it's not like the Ohio Bigfoot Conference or something like that,
or you know, where there's speakers and it's all inside
and it's contained. It's an outside festival. And the last
couple of years it's been in this little town. Actually
for the area, it's a fairly large town, but you know,

(01:30):
by most standards, it's a fairly small town called Logan, Ohio.
This year they moved it, and which had benefits and detriments,
I suppose, but you know, since they moved it, it's
kind of a gamble. You just never know how that
stuff is going to go. They had something real solid
and they used to close down I'm four to six
blocks of the main street of Logan and vendors up

(01:53):
and down the side of the street on both sides,
which I think was a pretty good format. Although I'll
tell you rain pretty good. It rained really hard actually
one year, so I was standing, you know, like up
past my ankles in essentially the gutter. I mean it
wasn't like, you know, like filthy like fecal ridden pond waters,
but I mean it rained so hard that it kind

(02:15):
of flooded up a little bit. So but so I
guess that that's kind of what might have gone sideways
with that venue. But anyway, b Mills, the organizer, and
her lovely and talented assistant, Susanne fairincheck, who's of course
a pigeon here. They organize this thing and they moved
it to the Vinton County Fairgrounds, which is a much
wider expansive area.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Then they'll be signing some animal extrament. If it rains
too much, well there was.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I would have welcomed rain. I would have welcomed rain,
or even packing cool fecal matter all over my skin
to keep myself cool because it was like ninety five
degrees every day.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I people pack mud on themselves and said like like, okay,
maybe I wouldn't have put a horse poop all over me,
but you hear you smell when I'm stepping in.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I know a guy who delivers equal matter by mails.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Inside joke with the pigeons. Yeah, But anyway, it was
at the Vinon County Fairgrounds, and you know, it had
been raining a lot in the area, and so there
was a bloom of flies. So there were a lot
of flies in the area. I guess that's one downside
I do think that the people were absolutely wonderful. As usual.

(03:26):
I love Ohio. Everybody in Ohio seems to be just fantastic.
Love them all. Picked up a couple of interesting siding reports.
One gentleman saw one twice in one of his areas,
like a couple of years apart. I thought that was
pretty cool, just a very kind of boring siding. Like well,
one time he was in there and he heard noises
and he and one was trailing him out, like, you know,
paralleling him in the woods, and he saw he caught

(03:48):
a you know, a decent like a second or so
glimpse of it between the trees. And then I think
a couple of years later, he saw a different one.
It was a different color, standing there just staring at him,
and when it noticed it was being observed, it just
basically turned around and walked away. And he and you know,
it's interesting, this guy said. It is like I look
at all these videos online and how the bigfoots are

(04:10):
pushing branches and stuff out of the way, and I
think those are bs, Like, oh really, why is that?
You know? He said, cool because when I saw the one,
the second one, and it noticed that I was observing it.
It just turned around and walked away, you know, swinging
its arms, and it walked in between these two trees.
And these were fairly small trees, about maybe an inch
and a half two inches in diameter, and they were growing.

(04:33):
Oh it's two and a half feet apart. So the
shoulders of the sasquatch were much wider than the two
trees were apart. And he said it just walked through
that those trees, didn't bother, pushing them aside at all.
The shoulders did all the work. It just forced this
way through the trees like it was absolutely nothing. It's
like boom boom, walking away. The trees parted and he

(04:55):
never saw it again. So that was kind of an
interesting report, mostly because he saw it in pretty much
the exact same spot. And I think that's, you know,
that's important for the work that I've been doing lately.
We've been finding footprints in numerous locations literally feet away
from where we had previously cast footprints. And this is
in numerous of my look. I've got like three or
four locations, some of them have been neglected lately, but

(05:18):
I've got three or four locations that I go to
that I find Sasquatch footprints, and that is the case
in all of these footprints or these these locations so far,
and we're finding sasquatch footprints in the same spot, like
sometimes within two, three or three feet from where we've
previously cast prints. So the fact that this guy saw
two sasquatches a few years apart in the same area,

(05:39):
I love it. I love it. That's kind of just
more support for this idea that they don't move very far.
There's certainly no migration going on or anything like that.
Another gentleman I spoke to, he said that he was
in a power line cut, if I remember right. It
might have been a some sort of right away, but
I think it was a power line cut, if I
remember right. And he saw a fox near the edge

(06:00):
of the clearing next to the woods, and the fox
was he was kind of trotting down away from him,
down the power line cut, kind of weaving in and
out of the forest line. He'd disappear into the forest
for a few moments, come out into the clearing and
kind of continue kind of trotting like the sort of
s shape pattern randomly down and he says, a good
distance down, I don't know one hundred yards or something

(06:21):
like that, one hundred and fifty yards that the fox
kind of was out in the power line cut and
then all of a sudden, a very large bipedal furry
figure stepped out of the woods and just went doink,
picked up the fox and disappeared with it. It was
a bigfoot festival. I mean, obviously he thought it was
a sasquatch, but he described it as a large bipedal, hairy,

(06:41):
dark colored figure stepping out of the woodline a step
or two, grabbing the fox by the scruff or the
back or whatever, and just stepping back into the woodline
and whenever you know, you know, you know, I am
about sidings, road crossings or that's a dot on a map.
But interesting behavior like that, well, that's pretty cool. I've
never heard of a story of one killing and presumably

(07:03):
getting ready to eat a fox, so I think that's
kind of neat.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Makes sense that they do it a domestic house casts
so boxes are pretty close to that kind of so
they wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm surprised. More dogs don't
go missing the same way. Tom Powell was there, of course,
he was in the booth next to me.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
That was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Tom doesn't do a lot of these jobs, you know,
but he came out and sold some of his books,
his new book, of course, Planets Strange, which we had
him on the podcast to kind of help him push
that a little bit. He's so funny. God, I love
Tom Powell. He's just so great. Oh yeah, he says,
I'm Tom Powell. This is my Tom Powell imitation. I
don't do a very good one. I'm Tom Powell. I
write books that no one reads about things I can't.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Prove that's such a Powell.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
It was really nice. It was a good crowd, good people,
good event. I'm sure it's going to keep on going
over the next few years. And so anyway, trial run
at a new location, I'd say it's a great success.
I thought it was. I thought it was wonderful. So
I've certainly been to other events that have been going
on for years that perhaps they had more glitches than
this one.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Well, gosh, I mean I took up a lot of time.
But do you have anything going bows? How are the
new digs?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Uh? It's cool.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
The only it's kind of in a hassle because we're
trying to acclimate the cat, who's an outdoor cat, wildcat
get used to the property in the house first, and
so Creda hasn't got much sleep last week.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
It's been up catterwalling all night.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
But you can sleep through that.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, I just closed the door and it's her.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Cat, because if I remember right, in general, you are
not a deep sleeper.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
No, no, but you know, I well I didn't. I
didn't sleep much, but it wasn't because of the cat.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
It was just because of normal soreness and stuff like that,
like pain and.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Whatever like all that move.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
And I definitely did some strains on the ligaments and
tens and muscles and my ax shoulders were pretty hurt.
But whatever, it's fine and it is good. Got to
get some hard work out stuff in kind of. And yeah,
so the cats she got finished the cadio yesterday and
he went in for the first time.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
So I got some videos of that.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
The cadio, it's like an kit closure outside, goes in
and out the window and goes into a like a
six or eight foot by three foot by six foot high,
multiple shells and a little hiding spots and like you know,
it goes down to the ground so you can get
in the dirt and take a poop.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Sounds like somebody we know.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, so do they have a bobo yo? What is
it like a patio for bobo?

Speaker 4 (09:42):
Just pee off the porch, not number two off the porch.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Oh, I can't see that on this podcast. Last time
I said that we got a bunch of heat from it.
A bunch of people wrote in saying that we shouldn't
be talking about that.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
If you got to run outside that she attaches you
to a leash and you have room to dig.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
So when we tackling today prout, we're doing articles.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
We got a bunch of topics. You guys have sent
in a lot of things, and so I pulled five
from each of you. There's still a couple left over,
but I knew we couldn't get to that many. But
there's five articles that Cliff sent, five articles that you
sent there, Bobo, so we can just pick them one
at a time and see which ones. They're all good
and they're all relevant. So lots of stuff is going on.
I will say one of the funny things, you know,

(10:27):
I've been reading anthropological news forever but really doing this
on a regular basis for as long as we've been
doing it, and I know some of its media spin,
but some of it's true. Is like the number of
times that an article says, like a new find overturns
our understanding of human evolution, right, Well, it's usually like

(10:47):
along the lines of, you know, some finite number. Let's
say it's a timeline, like humans appeared in this area,
you know, no earlier than x, and then a new
fossil shows up that shows that no were in that
area for tens of thousands of years prior. And then
they say, like new finding overturns everything we thought we
knew about, you know, human distribution or whatever the case

(11:08):
may be. Or there's like a new primate species discovered,
And so I just think it's funny because that's the
media spend, Like, yes, there are new discoveries that disrupt
previous sort of statements or axioms, but they certainly didn't
like overturn the whole thing. But it is a clickbaity
sort of title. But it also just goes to show
you that the idea that something new could be discovered

(11:29):
like the sasquatch, would be a radical discovery. It's like, well,
not really, because we're making quote unquote radical discoveries all
the time. And also it's amazing when you look at
how many you know, there's only a number of known
hominid species that have ever been discovered, and of those,
like depending on how you you know, lumpers or splitters,

(11:51):
how you you lump or split it, five to ten
of those were discovered in like the last fifteen years,
you know, a pretty significant number of them. And so
it just all kind of reminds me that like, yeah,
to us, it would be groundbreaking, huge, and I think
to a lot of people would. But at the same time,
when you see the number of new discoveries that happened,
it's like, oh, would it really be that groundbreaking? Like

(12:11):
now we should we should expect that there are still
things left to be discovered, living or fossil apes, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeah, there was a paradigm shift of course in the
late eighties early nineties in paleoanthropology, but it didn't overturn
everything we knew. It was just like more information gave
us a better model of what actually was going on,
and that of course was the back prior to that time,
evolution was thought to be kind of a linear thing,

(12:38):
you know, and like Homo Heidelbergainstis was here, and then
eventually Neanderthals showed up and they out competed them, or
just better at being alive, better at doing the same things,
and drove Heidelbrigainst's extinct. And then of course Homo sapiens
showed up. That's us. Of course humans, We showed up
and we were better at it than Neanderthals and drove
them extinct. And that was the old model. That's the
linear model where one speed was replaced with another species.

(13:03):
Because there was this idea, and I don't remember the
scientists who figured this out. Doctor Meltrim talks about this
in his presentations, and I'm sure it's going to be
in his new book whenever that's published. There was some
guy that basically a scientist back in the early part
of the twentieth century, discovered that by using microbes of

(13:24):
some sort in a Petri dish, that two microbes that
occupy the same ecological niche like the same that they
do the same thing, in other words, the same ecological niche,
one will eventually outcompete the other and dry it and
drive it extinct.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
It's called the principle of competitive exclusion.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
There you go, there you go, you know, And of
course people thought that that also applied to human species,
you know, of our genus Homo, and it doesn't apparently.
And of course, in that time period, the eighties and nineties,
we were discovering fossils of human ancestors or human relatives,
because very few of the hominin's are actually anset of ours,

(14:00):
but they're all cousins, so to speak. They were discovering
that some of these species lived at the same time
and same place as one another, which is always an
interesting thing to learn about because it shows that it
could happen today. Because that was one of the arguments
against sasquatches in general, is that sasquatches cannot exist because
they're too similar to us, occupying the same ecological niche,

(14:22):
and therefore we're here, so they can't be here. There's
no way, And of course now we know that's incorrect.
It's not a linear progression. It's a very bushy one,
with all sorts of branches going out in all sorts
of directions, and some of those branches have survived until
very very recently in some unexpected places. Heidelbergensa's I think
I talked about this a couple months ago. Homo Heidelbergenst's

(14:44):
fossils exist from China that are between sixteen and nineteen
thousand years ago. That's insane that these large Heidelbergensis. There's
some indication that these things got about seven feet tall
in some cases. So these large, robust, very thick and strong,
possibly hairy bipeds we're walking around, you know, sixteen to

(15:08):
nineteen thousand years ago at least, and that skull that
is in China that is dated to that time. There's
no way, there's just it's ridiculous to think that that
would be the very very very very last Homo heidelber
againstis Oh, of course, you know so, I mean how
long did they last? Are they still here today? Maybe
that's what is roman. Maybe that's what the almosty is.

(15:29):
For all we know, we don't know. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be
right back after these messages. Hey, Boba, whatever happened to
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Speaker 4 (15:47):
Now I don't have that hat anymore.

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I gave it to Lauren Coleman for his museum, But
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Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Kind that would bring us to one of our articles too,
about the three hundred thousand year old teeth from China
have the evidence that humans and Homo erectus in our
bread new study, Well tell us about it. Yeah, they
get they found like a little small collection like twenty
one teeth, but yeah, they think it shows it's they're
kind of in between erectus and human that they got

(17:48):
some interesting overlaps. And I don't think it's canon law
or anything, but there it's shown some interesting traits or
they've never seen before. It's like the evolutionary clock was
taking at different speeds and different hearts of the body,
said one of the co authors.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Now, of course, so was it inter breeding or was
it some intermediary form. I get you had a wonder interbreeding,
said you think. So, okay, so these the teeth were
mostly modern, it seems, but there's even to be very
very large roots, of course, and some of the are
more archaic, like older characteristics to the teeth, and so

(18:23):
they're pointing towards Homo erectus being a reasonable you know,
culprit for this. I suppose you know some sort of
almost like a cross between Homo sapiens and Homo erectus.
I thought I saw something recently about Homo abolist as
well doing having something else. Maybe that's in one of
the other articles that we're going to get to today.
But very interesting because you would expect to see a
lot of things, a lot of things not just beyond

(18:46):
beyond teeth, like other body parts like bones and stuff
that would show a little bit of both as well,
because you see these other things like I think the
Homo he I'm sorry, Homo floresiensis fossil was kind of
described as a little bit of this, a little bit
of that as well, even though they were kind of
a different breed altogether.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Say something smart for it.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Well, I don't have anything smart, but I do have
to point out that the location where these were found.
Who long Dong? I love that word.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
They had a fan of sixteen candles. I saw that.
I had to keep them laughing out loud.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Who long do? It just sounds good. I just like
words that sound good. Who long Dong, gazebo, you know, spatula.
I mean, I just love words that have a good sound,
and that's one of them.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
That's a good I love that. That's an awesome name.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
But you know, if there's anywhere in the world that
human evolution isn't going to be linear, you know, well,
I guess there's two in Africa and Asia are the
big places because so many different species existed on both
of those continents. So it seems to make sense that
there's a lot of like drift, I guess, you know,
a lot of a lot of like crossing over and
like a really really diverse anatomical characteristics to a lot

(19:51):
of the fossils, and and the more that comes out
of there, I think we're just going to see this
again and again and again.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, yep, exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
So in China, right, we had homoerectus, we obviously had
Homo sapiens are still there today. There was Denisovans there.
I think Neanderthals might have gone over that far east
as well. And you know, when you look at a
larger landscape, think about Indonesia, right, we have Homo louson
ensis in the Philippines, we have Homo flurriesiensis and flores

(20:24):
and those guys, those little guys on the islands down there,
they had to get there somehow. They didn't go the
long way. They went through Asia. So Asia, I think
it is just a cornucopia of potential as far as
studying human evolution and in the fossils that are there
and also have that have not been pulled out of
there yet.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Yeah, and as far as like they talk about like
well they must have drifted over there on after a storm,
they floated on a log or something like, I'm not
so sure. Like even though they were primitive, and I know,
like there're stone tools. I mean, they're not going to
find any wood or fibrous They're not making canoes or
anything out of rocks, you know, so that's going to survive.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Rocks are a terrible building material for boats.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Yeah, So I mean they might have had some primitive boat,
you know, some kind of rafting thing they made, and
that's how they got it. I mean, who knows. I
mean they always read it up. They read all that
stuff like they couldn't have done that. It's like, dude,
what kind of evidence is going to be from three
hundred thousand or one point one million years ago or
whatever time frame you're talking about? Wooden or fiber you know,
some kind of reeds or something woving together? What evidence

(21:31):
that's going to be left you just found on stones?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Yeah, well, I think one or two months, didn't we
do it? Didn't we tackle a topic? Or they found
wooden like maybe spear tips or something like that from Neanderthals.
And it's extraordinarily rare because wood rots away and the
stone doesn't, which is why we don't have much wood.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
But yeah, that's like cave stuff, Like boats are around
in water around water like it's not gonna plus with
depending on when the relation to the sea rising with
the ice sheets and all that knows.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
And of course anybody who lives close to the ocean,
it all knows the kind of damage that the ocean,
even air will do to anything metal, fiberglass, et cetera.
Your house, I mean you just you just moved away
from the coast bobs, I mean, right, I mean, am
I right? Am I wrong about that?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
No? Did I went?

Speaker 5 (22:17):
I was looked at the garage and at the house,
like all this stuff at store, like not all of it,
almost all that was just completely shot.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Like everything, I mean, even moist climates, you know, like
a British Columbia or whatever, you would just do a
number on you. But when you had that salt element
in there, like that salt air, it just destroys everything.
So we wouldn't expect to find any boats or whatever.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah, and the humidity is so high down there also,
I mean I have a factor, I mean, just all
of it.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
What don't too?

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Like they thought it was sixteen individuals, they got twenty
one teeth. Did they need more like a complete dental
set from like a few individuals. Would that be more
helpful than like a random tooth here or random tooth there?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
I don't know, you know. And then so this is
this article suggesting, and maybe it's true. They don't know
if it's a genic drift or whatever, but it's suggesting
that humans and Homo erectus actually inner bread. So that's
that's humans and Homo erectus. Now we also have we
know humans in the enderthals you know did the deed,
and also homodenisovans as well. That's three different non non

(23:17):
Homo sapiens species that have innerbred with Homo sapiens in
the past. It's it's kind of not exactly supporting, but
it certainly isn't writing off these tales of sasquatches abducting
humans and trying to interbreed with them.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Exactly that I was going to say when I saw
an art calls like you know that could lead to well,
like what if they were Hilbergains's what are the chances
they'd be able to sub mate with a human?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
I don't know how far back would it go? Right,
and no idea.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Well, again, typically species within a given genus can produce offspring.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
But not viable like reproductively viable.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I think it really just depends. I'm sure there's a
lot of factors in that, like how how distant within
the same genus or whatever in time or genetically. But
I think with heidel bergins as the obstacle would be
tool use and control fire.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I like sasquatches are a good candy or Heidelbergens
is a good candidate for sasquatches or even some of
these almosty things. You know, I know I mentioned that earlier,
but yeah, they did use in fashion tools and they
also used fire.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
So, speaking of Neantl's, I thought the article about that
they may have feasted on maggots which they harvested from
rotting flesh, was a pretty interesting read.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, let's pull that one up and take a look.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
They definitely did that because people still that today.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
I mean the modern indigenous tribes that are still you know, like,
for lack of a better word, uncontacted, that's they still
eat like that.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Well, and you know l s, it's like that grizzly bears,
yep bears. Yeah, grizzly bears will bring down a deer
or an elk can maybe eat a little like a
little snacky snack on it. They leave it out in
the woods, and they leave it in the sun or
wherever and to and they'll come back periodically over the
next few weeks just to eat the maggots.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, of course, the maggots are really high not only
in protein but also fat. And you know, you can't
live your life, you know, humans, we found this out.
We can't. We can't. Can't live your life eat rabbits
and stuff because rabbits are so lean, they don't have
a lot of fat on them, and you get that
what is it called rabbit starvation?

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Is that right that I'm not familiar with.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Oh yeah, well there's something I'll look it up real fast,
but I think it's called rabbit starvation.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Yeah, you don't give enough calories and fat.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah, protein poisoning is what they call it, I guess.
And the deal is like rabbits don't have a lot
of fat on them, so you kind of get like
too much protein in a way, And so you can't
just live off rabbits or whatever. You have to have
a lot of fat, and eating maggots would just I
would solve that because you know, fat's probably a pretty
rare commodity I think in a lot of the woods,
because the animals don't really have a except for time,

(26:00):
you know, half the year, I guess, but you know,
during spring would be kind of hard to get that fat,
I would imagine. Now, I'm I'm not a hunter. Have
you guys butchered deer before? I've never I've never done
such a thing. Is there a lot of fat on deer?
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I have never feel dressed the deer, But I don't
think there's a lot of fat on them.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
I mean no, there's.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Usually you can see a significant amount of like their
rib cage, you know when you encounter deers in the wild,
not like totally emaciated, but you know, your typical healthy
deer is not going to be thick, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
It's not like, yeah, it's not like domes achnanalogies, you
getting butchered like pigs and cows.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
It's not like that at all. Like there's just fat
bubbling up everywhere.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
They have low body mass indexes. They're spelt.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
It's it's like me at the beach, fat bubbling up everywhere.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Well, what was interesting is that they had always assumed
that the intals consumed a whole lot of meat. In fact,
when a lot of the older books about Neanderthals that
I have make that asumption that they would have eaten many, many,
like pounds per day or whatever the case may be.
And it seems like that was based on the high
nitrogen isotope ratios in the inertal bones. Now They understand

(27:13):
that maggots carry extremely high nitrogen levels, which potentially skew
the chemical signals in animals that consume maggots, which would have,
you know, led these earlier researchers to believe that all
that nitrogen came for meat. But it might have seems
like more plausible or more parsimonious that it came from
consuming maggots that were on these you know, putrefying carcasses

(27:37):
that the antol stored.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, just like I mean, one hundred years ago, I
remember reading about how the explorers in Africa they did
like chastise the there are porters, you know, the natives
for eating like rotting meat in all the maggots. Like
they love, they love the maggots. They're good, They're socially
kind of sweet.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Right, I've eaten several kinds of maggots, both raw and cooked. Actually,
I might add wow. Yeah, years ago, I ate some
grubs that we got out of a you know, a
rotting tree or something like that. Dug him up, And
I was with my friend. My friend Tom was out there.
You don't know Tom, Oh, you know you met Tom.
He went to Humble State University. The newspaper yeah, in

(28:18):
San Francisco you met him. But uh, we were out
and we dug up some you know, some grubs I
guess from a rotting tree thing rotting tree. And he goes,
so I think, I come to eat one of these,
and he and I go, really is you know at
the time, it's just you're gonna eat that? You don't
eat that. He goes, Dude, like half the world survives
on this, Like how bad can it be? And so
he put it in a you know, little pan and

(28:39):
cooked it up and stuff and it kind of and
he ate it and he said it was really good.
So I gave it a try and got a little
bit of those and ate it. It tasted like, honestly,
it tasted a lot like popcorn, you know, definitely had
that corn sort of taste, you know, because it was
eating away at the rotting wood and stuff.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Inside maggots maggots from rotting flesh. But I eat it
from a trio.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
No, No, I have not eaten maggots from rotting flesh.
But they're basically, you know, the same sort of deal,
same grubs of some sort. Right.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
I just I mean, I could it wouldn't phase me
at all. The you know, out of it, out of
a tree, but a robbing course that stinks and there's
flies everywhere and maggot's worming out of it. I could,
I mean I could eat if it was fries, but
not raw.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well they had fire, Andanderthals had fire.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Do you think they were cooking them?

Speaker 3 (29:28):
They might have been. I did, and it was delicious.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Because I know that I know that native people's like
up in the modern times that you know, just see,
would eat them raw out of that, right out of
the meat.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Now I ate on finding Bigfoot for the Brazil episode.
I ate a very large grub. It was legitimately as
large as my thumb, and we just pulled it out
of that that palm tree or whatever we cut down
and they said, here you go. And then I had
a little pincher on one side and it was it's
pretty nasty looking thing. But I think you were camping,
or you're back in town or doing you know, doing

(29:58):
the sideshoot down there. It's just bobo, I'm telling you.
It was just a matt renee and I out in
the woods and it's not like they're gonna eat it,
you know, so at least at first I think they
ate one later. But yeah, we pulled that thing out
of there and I threw that back and it burst
in my mouth. Man, talk about flavor crystals.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
It was.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
It was really something. It was really something, and it
was a splash of go. It wasn't bad, though, I
will say that it wasn't bad. I can't say it
was good, but it wasn't bad.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
It's like it's like a cream filling and a doughnut.
You bite it and you get that big squirt.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, it was a little bit like a cream filling,
but yeah, it was like that where you bite into
it and you get this liquidy burst throughout your mouth.
And admittedly the grub straight out of the tree and
then the Brazilian rainforest did not have a strawberry flavor
to it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Yeah,

(31:01):
but anyway, grubs or sill eating today by all sorts
of cultures all throughout the world. So yeah, of course
it makes total sense that Neanderthals would have done this,
and if they cooked them, it would have been delicious.
I can't imagine that maggots like the meat maggots. When
you cook them, they probably taste pretty good too.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
When I saw that headline and like read the article,
I'm like, why is this even like debate?

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Like it's of course I did. It's not even like
a question to me at all.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah. Yeah, But then again, I guess, uh, they have
evidence for it. I guess, which is the deal. We
can we can speculate that they did it, just like
we can speculate they might have given high fives or something.
But until you have evidence for it, it's not really news, right,
And again, grizzly bears do that today. It makes perfect sense.
Why wouldn't And I've heard somewhere I don't know where

(31:47):
that was.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
But like.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Humans, very likely when they especially when they moved into
new neighborhoods so to speak. You know, they cross the
land Bridge and the North America or moved into a
habitat Biome, I guess that they perhaps the fresh folks,
you know, the ones who first moved into a new area,
were pushed out of an old area. When you're not
familiar with the plants and animals and all that sort
of stuff in the area, how are you going to

(32:10):
know what to eat? Well, if you watch the other
animals do it, you watch the bears eat stuff, and
it'll probably give you a pretty good idea of what
is edible. At least that'll give you a first stop
on the in the food carts. You know, at least
like what's good here. Well, the bears eating that, let's
give that a try, and you know, most of the
time that will probably work out pretty well for you.
And if bears were eating that, it makes sense that

(32:31):
the local people or Neanderthals in this case, whether Homo
sapiens or neandertals, it doesn't really matter, they would probably
do a bang up job feeding themselves just by watching
what the bears are doing.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, then we got this other article from August sixth
and fizz dot Org. Archaeologists find oldest evidence of humans
on Hobbit's Island. Neighbor Who they were remains a mystery.
There's a Sulawesi island down there, just next to Flora's
Island where the homoflugiensns the Hobbit people were discovered, and

(33:06):
they got there much of than they thought they found
that they had them being in there for the last
two hundred thousand or two hundred thousand years ago, but
these new tools from the early Places scene are between
one million and one and a half million years old,
so they've been there way longer they thought. And it's
causing a lot of speculation on who exactly were they that,

(33:26):
what hominids made these tools, what happened to him, and
who liked what did they evolve into or whatever. But yeah,
it's really interesting that how they how much. It's just
you were talking about earlier, like you know, timeline is changing.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
This is a.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
Dramatic timeline, I mean jumped, you know, from two hundred
thousand to one point five million possibly.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
And obviously would require crossing that Wallas line like you
had brought up earlier, you know, you know the.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
Wallas line exactly, like it could have been more intentional
than give them credit for.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
And oh uh, doctor fourth, yeah, doctor fourth. Doctor Gregory Fourth,
who's course been guests on our podcast. In his first book,
Images of the Southeast Asian wild Man, which is fantastic,
It is absolutely a fantastic book, he mentions persistent sightings
of Harry hominoids on the island of Suluisi, like these

(34:25):
these guys might be there today still or at least
very very recently, certainly, and if I remember right, there's
been a couple of years since I've read it. If
I remember right, the reports on Suluisi are the ones
that are several meters tall, like two to three meters tall,
so that's you know, six to nine feet so to speak.
So those are the big ones. So who knows what
those things might have been. And of course another question,

(34:48):
these tools, these tools, are they associated with the persistent
hominins or that might be there still today. We really
have no idea, of course, although I would tend to
think that they probably aren't, just because you you would
think that we would still be finding like fresh tools
that weren't so old. So maybe these are you know, uh,
leftovers from Homo Erectus, which we know was in the area.

(35:10):
They the first, i mean, the very first home Erectus
fossil came from Java after all, just a spitting distance
away from there. So I mean we're Homo Erectus all
throughout all the islands down there. I mean they very
well could have been. They very well could have been.
And just a shout out to home Erectus, by the way,
just one of the most by far one of the
most successful Homonists to ever live. They are around for

(35:33):
like a million years from Africa to at least Southeast Asia,
and who knows how much further so are are they
responsible for these tools that have been discovered? Who knows?
Who knows, But Indonesia I think is Uh will be
a star. I think this next century in reshaping the
history books for paleoanthropology. I think a lot of the

(35:54):
lot of the really cool stuff is going to come
out of there.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Yeah, that's a that's a big island. I mean it's
but it's something like twenty thousand square miles or something.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
It's a lot bigger than Flora's that's for sure, eight
times bigger, eight times toll. I didn't know that. Wow.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Yeah, so they're saying that, Yeah, if that Florida has
caused dwarf ism, what happened on.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
SULUWIESI that's so so much. I mean it's a huge island.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Well apparently it's a much more ecologically rich, so large
variety of food items, a large many more niches in
which a critter can make its living. Whether it has
four legs or two doesn't really matter.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Yeah, because this place like Suluisi is like kind of
shaped like a starfish. There's long peninsulas stick out on
all sides, just magnified coastline. There's just endless coastline. Intertitle coat.
So they got and then it goes into high mountains,
pretty high mountains, like eleven twelve thousand foot mountains. I mean,
it's got everything right there in a somewhat compact zone.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, And of course the ocean is just so bountiful,
especially back then nowadays. You know, even nowadays, really the
island or the ocean is very very bountiful. I remember
I went camping down in Baja for a week, and
you know, many days we just get up, go swim
in and catch breakfast, you know, like go catch some
you know, scallops or clams or something like that and

(37:15):
cook those up for breakfast or dinner. We did that
right before dinner a couple of times. It's like you can,
even someone like myself who doesn't doesn't know anything or
very very little I guess about, you know, foraging wild
foods and whatever. It can make a living if you're
buy the.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Ocean, speaking to the ocean. I think a good one
to end on would be Cliff's article about orc is
bringing humans gifts since people do ask us about gifting
a lot.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Yeah, that was a good time.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah, I thought this was a really interesting article. Basically
the gist is and it's from a new scientist. Of course,
all these links will be in the show notes, as
Matt prudoways does there. But the gist here is that
wild orcas you know, killer whales, in other words, wild
organ not These are not domesticated ones once. I've never
been in a case. They have been documented quite a

(38:02):
few times, I think thirty four different instances over about
twenty years. They have been documented bringing and offering dead
animals or parts of dead animals, you know. And these
heats are like birds and stingrays and all that sort
of stuff to humans in the water or on boats
or along the shoreline or anything. And this is this

(38:24):
is an isolated area. It's not like only in California.
It's like British Columbia, California, New Zealand, Norway and Patagonia.
And this is not accidental. They pretty sure at this
point they're doing it on purpose. People have actually I
heard on NPR actually an article with one of the
people who was involved in this study. I heard an interview, right,
I should say, with a person who was involved in

(38:44):
the study, and they would sometimes take it, sometimes give
it back to them just to see what they would
do this. Remember one person gave it back to the
orca and it took it and swam off with it.
It's like, oh, you didn't want this, cool, I'll take it.
Then you have a good day.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
It's like when your cat catches a mouse and drops
it dead on your porch, Like, here you go, there's
a nice gift for you.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Yeah, yeah, I suppose so. Now I wonder if cats
do that because they think that we're part of their pride.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
You know, that's a cadio housewarming gift.

Speaker 5 (39:18):
Yeah, that's not the same as that, but it could
be similar to bigfoots dropping dead deer and rabbits and
stuff on people's porches or what.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, I can see why a cat would think that.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
There's that one story that from the Northern California habituation
claims the Oreville case where the woman had had like
multiple sightings from that remote cabin over a number of years.
And I had heard this directly from doctor Fahrenbach. But
he said one of the interesting claims was that there
was a nearby home or homestead or maybe small farm

(39:52):
that had goats. This woman who was the Sasquatch claimant,
the witness came out and on her I think it
was a screened in like something an animal couldn't just
jump into. There was this goat on her in her
screened in porch like something, and open the door and
put the goat in there, and she assumed that that's,
you know, it must have come from this nearby place.
And I think, if I remember correctly, that she went

(40:14):
and returned it to the woman and said, like, oh yeah,
there was this big giant guy who just stepped over
the fence and took this goat that she had seen
it like at dusk or in the dark or something
like that. So like the sasquadj had absconded with someone's
goat and gifted it to this lady.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
Dude, she invited me to come over there, like about
I don't know, four years ago. I was talking to
her kind of frequently and she's, you know, telling me
all kinds of stuff going on, And the week before
I was in a shoot over there. For like two
or three nights there was that major fire swept there
and burned down the whole place.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah, well, you know in the article there is a
brief mention of this that researchers are kind of saying, yeah, well,
maybe we should think about this again, because some captive
orcas have used dead animals to lure other animals in
for predatory reasons. How's that for just little cautionary tales like, yeah,

(41:08):
maybe you don't want to take that fish from that
orca because you might be on the menu.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I've seen that. I've seen that they do that to
the seagulls.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Oh yeah, yeah, they do that with birds, they do that. Yeah,
they try to lure birds and to eat them.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Now, of course, no aggressive behavior has been observed, you know,
so your your image of the orcas in your brain
is probably safe. They're not out to get us. Although
I'm kind of surprised that, you know, sharksy this. Why
wouldn't orca seat this. I don't think there has ever
been an attack by an orca that you guys have.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
There's only one. There was a surfer bit off northern
California in like nineteen sixty eight or something. But what
the what the researchers are speculating on is that they
think that they might be engaging in altruism and recognized
the sentence sentience in us, like they can recognize sentience
and other species. But there's so then while they feeding

(41:55):
on other whales, you know, that's you know, if that's
the case.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, just to clarify, I did find the correspondence I
had with Hinterer, and so I'll just a brief quote
he said, quote a tiny baby goat was hopping around
on their large front ports, fenced to chest high all around.
Research found a lady goat owner about a mile away.
She said that a quote very big man came one
night and clamped three goats under his arms and stepped

(42:21):
over the fence with them. She didn't chase because he
was so big. He returned subsequently to get the remainder,
including the kid. It might have been a return gift
for feeding, because this female witness was leaving food for
the sasquatches. So that's the story, the gifting story.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, I think that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
I just want to make sure I had the record straight.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
And again, it's well known that sasquatches are not very
good gift givers. They have terrible tastes and gifts.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Oh man, a kid goat would be pretty rad.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Yeah, that's one of the best ones I've heard.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, yeah, here, Melissa, there's our anniversary gift. It's a
rabbit that I tore the head off. Yea, wrap it
up for you, give it to you. Stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be
right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
I've been in the water with killer whales a couple
of times.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
That must have been a little scary, right, terrifying.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
Yeah, this was back when people like that woulde Orcid
had come out. I love that movie. I was like
a little kid with the OrCAD. The guy kills its mate,
then it hunts him all around. Either's that cheesy able
to be?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
I remember it. I remember It's like a Jaws spin
off in a way, or not a spin off, you know,
like a yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
It was so like that was I knew about orchards,
like killer whales whatever, blah blah blah, and see them
at Marine Land and stuff, and so I was surfing,
but I mean I didn't trust them at all.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
And I was surfing and I.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Was in baha, and I was these guys on the
cliff and I was They're all whistling and pointing out,
and I was like, oh, there must be a big
because it was kind of big, you know, it was
pretty good size. I was the only guy out and
everyone was on the cliff watching and I was paddling
out and I started just paddlingly on my kind of
in deep waters, and they still they're all screaming and yelling,
and I thought there must be a huge sec. I

(44:13):
was like, I finally saw there's no way, there's ways,
but I'm in such deep water.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
And also here.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
Two big like five foot four foot dorsal fins, you know,
the black back, you know, coming just diving down and
went right underneath the end. Dude, they were so it
was two males, two big males, and it dude, they
were so big.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Last what I was going to say, They're so much
bigger than you would think until you see them right
there in front of you.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
Yeah, and being like just on a surfboard. I was,
you know, sitting on my surfboard, and they were like,
I don't know, five six feet seven feet below me,
just whoosh, and then they and I was like, and
then I couldn't see them because it wasn't a good
water visibility. And then all of a sudden, you know,
like I don't know, another one hundred feet by pass
manag again, there they are. They They didn't stop it,

(45:03):
didn't look at me right, undereath me and just kept going.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Good thing.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Yeah, but I was scared.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Obviously they could have bitcher or something or dragged you
under and drowned you, like like that that one captive
killer whale.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Did you guys ever watch that documentary Blackfish?

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah, I watched that. That was We shouldn't keep these
You can't. Don't don't keep things that are that smart
in captivity. That's not cool, especially in those tiny little tanks.
So uncool. Yeah, I mean I do think zoos and
aquariums do play an important role, of course, you know,
in preservation and study and stuff. But that I don't know,
that seems so inappropriate.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
That's wrong.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Yeah, I don't feel good about that fish and stuff. Yeah, okay,
I mean I keep fish. I have an aquarium and everything,
but yeah, not not that monster.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Mons.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
But imagine one of these things, and not I mean
biting used one thing, but imagine if they'd is playful
and they flip you with with their tail like they
do to baby seals. And then suddenly Bobo's flying fifty
feet above the ocean like flipting this getting tossed about
like a rag doll.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Yeah, I did that. I could see that happening. Like, well,
there was just some people that swam out. There was
a mother hump back with her baby or no it's
gray well and the surfers and this guy got off
his board and swamp real close to the baby and
you try to pet it, and the mother just comes
up and just wom just gives him a tail smack
like didn't actually make contact with them, but it came

(46:26):
right next to him. And just something guy tumbling like
ten feet back underwater.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
And we've probably all seen that that video on social
media somewhere where that guy is kayaking and the killer
whale orca just like jumps up and lands on the deer.
Yeah yeah, And of course that's before all the deep
fakes and all that jazz. So that's probably real deal
right there. You know, they're dolphins right there.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
Purposes I think there are purposes, right or is.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
There a different I don't even know there's a difference.
But I told you about that one time I was
driving home, I was late for something. I was going
really really fast and I got pulled over by a
dolphin and he should be a speeding cetacean.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Oh, well, that's.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
One of my better jokes. Arguably, I'd like to think
that my jokes are so bad that they cause fist
fights for amongst our listeners.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I've never seen any feedback roll through about your your
dad jokes.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Well, I think that says everything you need to hear.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Like not the proton ar con. It's just like there's
there's been zero response, you know, It's like neutrality, So
people speak up, let us know what you think.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
I think that neutrality is again a generous thing to
say about it, because, uh, you know, the opposite of
love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference. Yeah,
they don't love my jokes. They don't hate the jokes.
They they just don't even like I guess they prefer
not to think they exist.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Now, people do comment on Bobo's jokes and his super
lightning fast one liners, so there's no ambiguity there. People
love the Bobes Zingers.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
Cliff jokes or cliff jokes are way better than like
well thought that like they're closer, like they may go, oh,
but they're so good.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah, my jokes are like ancient Greek sculptures broken but
like the arms are off, they're all the.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Years are like you know, architecture, like fine work, crafted, built, sophisticated.
Bobo's jokes are like you know, the Grand Canyon. They're
just like raw natural, unfettered one nature, and it's finest
for you exactly. They just they come from the the unconscious,
you know, they just rip forth from nature itself.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
You know. I actually I I I listened to, uh, Matt,
your appearance on West's show Sasquatch Chronicles this past week.
That's probably the first podcast, including our own, by the way,
that I've listened to in like a year or two maybe,
But a good job, by the way. So yeah, Matt
was on Sasquatch Chronicles this past week. Did a great job.

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You know, got to talk a little bit about the
up you know, the big pot and beyond stuff and
saying our praises, which is nice. I think you need
to sing your own praises a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
I know.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
West recognized that. He commented that this show would be
completely impossible in a big pile of crap without you.
So thank you very much Matt for doing what you
doing stuff. But good job on your appearance on Sasquatch Chronicles.
Feel free to put that link in the show notes
as well.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
I appreciate that, But no, I disagree with this is
your podcast. I'm just grateful to be a part of
it with you guys. You guys have a huge loyal
audience that's been with you for years and so and
they're the best people. I mean, we hear from them
all the time through emails and the comments through the
member section, and they're great. I think they really get
you guys. And I know this is going to sound

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like an ad for the Patreon, but Man, Bobo did
tell one of the most epic Bobo story times ever
in this week's bonus episode that just came out as
we're recording this on Thursday.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
It involves Bigfoot history and controversy.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
It does. It's got It's like a multi tiered story
that extends into like Sasquatch history and you know, like vengeance,
moral gray areas vengeance, righteousness. And I was like, I
wonder what people are gonna think of this. But you know,
the membership, which are like sort of the they're the
audience that's listened to every single episode, and most of
them have seen every episode of Finding big Foot, so

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they really know you guys. Like they all loved it.
I was like, oh, I should have expected that. I
thought it might be more divisive, but no, I think
everyone agreed with Bobo's righteousness.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
I just opened up the Patreon for a Bigfoot and
Beyond and I see you entitled it Bobo's Brazen Bag
of Justice.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, the episode, since it was a Q and A,
the episode is titled you know, Q and A Number
thirty two because I differentiate those from the main shows
Q and A's, which are like, you know, August twenty
twenty five or whatever. So the episode was titled Q
and A Number thirty two and Bobo's Righteousness.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Well, you know, speaking to members, maybe we should go
over there and do the member episode now. Yeah, click
that link in the show notes. Be a member so
you can hear all the cool stuff. You can hear.
You can hear the behind the scenes nonsense that we pull.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Some There's one article that Cliffs submitted that I think
we'll be right in keeping with.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
The Yeah, we gotta do that one.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Intellectual elite over there on the membership.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Yeah right, I know which one you're talking about. So
why don't we pop over there and get that done?

Speaker 4 (51:26):
All right, folks?

Speaker 5 (51:27):
That was another episode of Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bubbo and at this time Matt and so thanks
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and until next week, y'all keep it squatchy.

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