Ep. 335 - Q&A - October, 2025

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Big Food and Beyond.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
With Cliff and Bulbo. These guys are your favorites, so
like to subscribe and read it.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Five Stock and Me.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Grates on Yesterday and listening watching Lim always keep it Squatching.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James booble Fay.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey Bob, So what's happening man?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Oh, not much, just uh getting ready for a pod.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Getting ready for a pod. Yeah, Well, we have a
little bit more sad news to uh spread this week. Unfortunately,
good friend of ours, great bigfoot researcher, guy who's been
in the game a long time, super enthusiastic, super active,
Scott Violette, has passed away. Unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah, it's terrible, man. He's a great guy. Him and
his wife Hannah had that Squatch America that were going on.
We had him on the show. I mean they were
guests on here, and well, I just feel terrible for Hannah.
And he was I mean, he was he knew his stuff,
he was level headed, I mean, he was open minded,
he was he was just a really good dude and

(01:14):
truly dedicated.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, and outside of the bigfoot world, he was a
veteran of course, I think he served in Afghanistan if
I remember correctly. And yeah, and he was just a
great dude to be around. Who I mean, the entire community.
If you knew the guy, your bundy's gone. I mean
it's the bottom line, Like, this's not like anybody didn't
like the guy. He was beloved wherever he went, you know.
So he's huge loss for the Bigfoot community. Super sad

(01:37):
to see him go.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
It just like a week and a half after Jeff.
I mean, it's just they go in threes. It's like
God just dreading if someone else is going to pop
up now. Yeah, well this is for you, Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, and then for it's worth you know, to help
Hannah out throughout this time. And she has a GoFundMe
going Prude'll put that in the show notes. If you
have an extra buck, like even a dollar, if you
have one hundred dollars, come my gosh, give it, but
an extra dollar. If if half of our listenership did that,
she would be very very much better off than she
is right now. So give what you can help help

(02:11):
Hannah out in Scott's memory, And yeah, but we don't
want to dwell too long on the sad news. What
have you been doing bobs.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Uh when I went to get my phone again in
the day, but it ended up pouring Like they said
it was gonna start raining kind of light and the
late after early afternoon and then pick up this you
know later than that you really start raining. But it
was dumping about like eight thirty nine this morning was
like fully just pouring rain. So we uh made it
a tempt but it was just it was so wet.

(02:42):
It was like, no way, it's it's gonna be too
like we you know, were supposed to go down like
the hill side and stuff. It was gonna be like
way too muddy slippery. So supposed to rain for a
couple of days, like another day or so and then
wait till it drives up a little bit and go
back up there again.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
And you need the phone now for what reason? Is
it just just the pictures and stuff fun there because
it's been this deactivated, right, yeah, but it's.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Still it's still getting my messages for to open up
my online accounts. Most of them are still going, like
the banking stuff are still going to that other phone.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Okay, well, it seems like that could be taken care
of on the back end.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
That's a long story. I'll tell you later.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Okay, very good, very good. Well you've been out of
the field at all, you've been doing anything interesting like that,
any bigfoot stuff. You said there were some tracks or
something right there.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
That got rained out this morning too. We're gonna go.
We're gonna go. Look. But the guy was, he was
his job was he was in charge of the guys
monitoring the fire old fire lines up there from the fire.
But they all they didn't they bounced today because it
was poor and run. They just didn't even come into work.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, they're in the area. It's a good place to go.
I guess we'll probably leave some more prints.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Doug and Todd we're sitting on the side of the
road on the Go road on Donahue Flat intersection there,
you know, like six miles up whatever that is. And
this guy pulls because you guys, all right, you need
help anything like now, we're just chilling, you know, hang, guys,
what are you doing here? They're like, oh, we're looking
for big fist. If he goes, no way goes. Check
this out. He jumps out of his truck, shows me
we had his on a cell phone. He found tracks
the day before offtime. He fled along along the cut line.

(04:10):
He was hiking it. There was prints coming down. I
guess they're not much bigger than mine, probably my shoe,
But there came they weren't They weren't huge. I could
be twelve thirteen inches, it looked like. And they the
guy uh took pictures, like just two photos, one of
the track line, one of one of the tracks up close,
so you could see all the toes, like the detail
like it was in kind of like the sophom like

(04:32):
kind of half dried mud. They said it looked really good,
and they waited. He said, he goes, hey, I gotta
do something for ten minutes. I'll be right back. I'll
take you guys right to it. Jumped in his truck, goes,
wait here, I'll be back on ten, and took off
and never came back. They waited over two hours. The
guy never showed up.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's unfortunate. I assume they didn't find it.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
They didn't even look, dude, they didn't know it was
somewhere along the burn line.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, that's the kind of dangerous if you're going to
go play around in those areas. I guess, well, cool,
Well I got out a little bit. My brother was
in town. My brother showed up last Wednesday, Rob Rob exactly.
So he showed up Wednesday night. I picked him at
the airport, you know, and I've made some dinner at
the house, just hung out. Thursday, took them out to
the woods all day just to say, hey, this is
this is what your brother is up to. This is

(05:15):
what I do at least once a week, because that's
it had been a while as well. I've been pretty
tied up with some other way more important stuff unfortunately,
dealing with like the meldrum stuff, that all that sort
of thing. But I did get out to the woods
on Wednesday for the first time in a couple of
weeks and went to some of the regular spots, you know,
the outer rim. Basically, I'm not you know, I'm not

(05:37):
really going to the other spots so much at this point.
So I'm trying out some new regular spots because I
have like four or five spots I try to frequent,
some kind of diversifying my locations.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
At the moment.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Because of those fake tracks that were found out there
and at one of my regular spots in July, so
I'm leaving that one alone for from now on, basically,
because the other spots are just as good and nobody
knows where those are, and I don't have to be
concerned about infiltrators and hoaxers and all that sort of stuff.
I'm not sure how word got out on that one,
but somebody told somebody and told somebody else sort of thing.

(06:11):
So anyway, but sure enough I found tracks. I found
a fourteen inch track that wasn't too old, I'm guessing
within a week or so, maybe two, because I want
to show my brother some tracks in the ground, you know. So,
and I located a trackway of three different individuals. Back
in June, I was out there with my buddy Kelly

(06:32):
the mue and that guy from buck Cherry, you know.
And so I took him out there and we found tracks.
That day, I visited again with I think I went
out with Less Stroud. Next we did this little filming
out there for his documentary. So I put him on
a trackway and you know, film some stuff, cast a

(06:52):
couple of them. A couple of them came out pretty
okay too, not the usual blobso plaster. And then I
brought Darby out there when he visited July, and so
I figured, you know what, tracks round here can last
a long time. So I went out to the outer
rim in hopes of finding one or two that were
still in okay shape so I can show my brother
some tracks in the ground. And we got out there,

(07:13):
there was nothing new going on. We looked to change
the cameras out that we have out there and stuff.
Didn't find any other tracks. Didn't go to the swamp
that would have been some pretty rough, you know, hiking
from my brother. But we did locate the trackway and
there was a handprint there that still looked okay. You
can see all the fingers and stuff. And then that
was on the berm going up on the side of
the abandoned logging road that we were walking on. And

(07:36):
then I showed him with a couple of tracks, a
couple of tracks that we had already cast, and then
we went off in the woods. I did find a
track that I had not cast or done anything with
that the big toe and that couple of the other
toes impressed into the moss a little bit and had
a nice heel, So I got to show him that,
which is nice. And then we went back to the

(07:57):
car and to get some water, and then I said, well,
you know, let me go look down this other side
road that I almost never go on, but I have
found tracks down there one other time. I found the
seventeen incher down there one time. We nicknamed that Sasquatch
Jaba because we nicknamed this whole place the Outer Rim.
So last year I did find a track one time

(08:17):
down the side road, so I said, let's try that.
Let's go down there. My brother decided to stay at
the car and kind of poke around and just enjoy
the silence, because you know, he lives in Long Beach, California,
within hearing distance of the freeway and stuff, so he
really enjoys the silence of coming up to Oregon to
visit his little brother. So he stayed at the car,
and I walked down the road this other trail thing

(08:41):
about ten minutes down and towards the end, probably within
fifty yards of where we found Jaba's track. Last year,
I found this other track. It seemed to be of
the fourteen inch individual. It was on a slight incline,
like maybe a thirty degree slope, and it was walking
alongside the slope to the point where it The only

(09:02):
reason I really even noticed it because the impression wasn't
deep at all, and that's kind of a one of
these myths about the bigfoot tracks is that they're insanely
deep because they're super super heavy, and yeah, that can
be true sometimes, but I don't find that to be
true most of the time.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Honestly.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
The only reason I noticed this one it had a
pretty nice heel and then a couple of the toes
impressed really nicely. Not deep though, because what happened here
is that the foot pushed down and then slid slightly
sideways a little bit to the left. And what that
did is it disturbed the top layer of soil and

(09:38):
exposed a slightly moisture layer underneath, so you could see
the darkness of the soil. It was a darker color
than the stuff that was you know, sun bleached and
bone dry up on top. And so you can actually
see all four or five toes in there. Beautiful heel.
It measured about fourteen inches long, and there were some
other scuffs nearby, but that was the only track that

(10:00):
you can really make things out of, you know, And
the rest of this stuff was, Oh, I can tell
something walked here because the ground was disturbed, but you could.
You couldn't really nail any shape or anything down. So
I did send you a picture of that one, right, Yeah,
I was.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Gonna say, I got the picture of that. Yeah, that's cool.
How those those ones that aren't how do they shop
with a three D scan of the show up on
the app? You got? Not?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well? Not well? But I believe me, check real fast
on my phone right here. I'm pretty sure I scanned
that one mostly the scans on my phone. At least
they have the GPS coordinates on it, because you know,
I keep the uh my e x IF information on
the download there. I don't really, I don't. I don't
show the locations on my photographs, you know, because it's

(10:45):
nobody's business where on Bigfoot as far as I'm concerned. No, no,
they It turned out okay. But you know, I can
export it as a little movie and I'll send it
to you. Maybe Matt Proute'll put it on the members
or something like that for you. So maybe that's a
good way to go with it. But yeah, yeah, So
I found a pretty cool track this this this week.
It's nice to getut in the woods, and honestly, I
mean it's a weird thing to say. My young Cliff

(11:06):
would never ever say this, but I'm kind of looking
forward to the end of summer here and you know,
the onset of fall and winter, because the tracking is
so much better during those months, even though a lot
of the area is inaccessible because of snow, especially once
winter hits, but the tracking is just so much better.
And in the ground, you know, the ground's all dry

(11:26):
and crusty during the summer, it's like, yeah, this sucks, man,
Let's let's give me some mud.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
That's always the best. Have it rained early in this
like a late Indian summer kind of rain thing, and
then then you get like another four or six weeks
of dryness. But there was enough to like make tracks
possible for a few days, and they're preserved for a while,
like not like in the winter, like there's tracks and
they're washed out like two days later or something. You know.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, and the forest Duff doesn't hold stuff very well.
You can't cast in it. And yeah, I'm ready. I'm
glad falls here. You know, the trees are starting to
turn and stuff. I'm looking forward to getting out woods,
but that's got to wait a few weeks because I've
got to go to New York in a couple of
days for the first ever New York Bigfoot conference. So
I'm gone till Sunday, and then I'm home for a
couple of days, and then I'm gonna head down to

(12:12):
Willow Creek to help out with their museum thing a
little bit, to help help them with their display stuff.
And I hear some folks might be in town and
around that time, try to rally with them, or maybe
try try to rally with you. Drop by Humble State
University to check out the archiving out down there. So
a lot of stuff to do, a lot of stuff
to do here in the next couple of weeks. But
after that, towards the end of October, I actually have

(12:33):
some breathing room in my schedule for probably the first
time since June. So I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Cool.

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Speaker 4 (14:41):
I guess we got Q and Ago on theday from
the listeners.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's what I hear. That's what I hear. Matt Pruit,
Do you have some questions for us?

Speaker 3 (14:48):
We do.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
We got a number of questions here, but as usual,
we'll start with the voicemails, so let me cue the
first one up for you.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Hey Cliff, Heybomo. Big fan of the show is Dan
from Mesa. First of all, with how accurate Bigfit have
been seen to throw rocks not just small pebbles, but
large bowlders as well. Do you think they can use
these rocks as tools for hunting, say an ambush and

(15:15):
throwing a rock at high velocity breaking legs and necks
of deer? Love the show? Thanks?

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Yeah, I definitely got a lot of stories better than
throwing Rocks. Mean, there's a story of not hunting with them.
But Derek Randalls saw him throwing when he got chased
off the Olympic Peninsula about thirty something years ago. It
was they were throwing kind of like a almost like
an underhand softball pitcher, but more side arm to it,

(15:43):
you know, with their with their fist facing you, coming
like the backhand of their hand facing then flicking it
like flicking it kind of side under arm. And he
said that I was throwing it with pretty good accuracy. Personally,
I've been hit with pebbles a couple of times. I've
seen someone get hit holding a camera a recorder in
New Mexico that Hiccaria one in two thousand and four.

(16:05):
Right before before I saw that one, we were walking
around and Chris was holding the camcord in two times
in like five minutes. I know. It was right after
I saw the way it was right, that's right. It
was like minutes after I saw. We were out there
with the cameras and you know, infrared floodlight whatever and spotlight,

(16:25):
trying to do it the old Sony cam. And then
he added up to his eye walking around and twice
pebble's bank hit the you just cracked, like you hear
the pebble, you know, little rock small maybe marble size,
hit right hit the camera exactly and just you know,
you're just like WHOA Like the thing I had such
good and it was we never saw it, but it

(16:46):
was obviously nearby. I've heard of the people described them
throwing the same way and throwing rocks and like just
throwing something the size of a candlope, just blasting a
deer in the ribs and just just you know, knocking
it down and knocking the wind out of it, you know,
breaking its ribs and they jump out and then snap
its neck. I mean, I've I've heard him throw things.

(17:08):
I've seen it. I've seen rocks come flying out over
tree lines and landing behind us on Bluff Creek. But
then uh yeah, then there's the classic store. Was this
guy the Navy, the Navy seals all these these wing
inflatable boats are like the best inflatable They're like kind
of like a zodiac. They're like a like a high
custom made zodiacs soft soft shell boats. And it was

(17:31):
they test them on the rivers up here and all that,
like that's how I got to go look for tracks
for my buddy. Used to be the test platform back
in the late nineties early two thousands. But anyways, the
owner of that guy, Bill Wing, he was a kid
growing up in the sixties. His dad, he stick came
to his brother out and dropped off separate places and
they have to go for two weeks every summer and
he's cash food for him and like supplies. They had

(17:53):
a hike all through the Trinity Outs right where our
classic I think it was episode fifty five. I think
that was one of the most popular ones. That forester
that had that experience, which she was nineteen backpacking at
ran Byron the night right right right like within like
three miles there was with this guy. This happened like
thirty years earlier, but he was he got there about
there's a little airstrip up on top of this like plateau,

(18:17):
and his dad was going to pick him up there.
So he was sitting there waiting and was back against
He was in this old clump of old growth trees
on the edge of a on the edge of a
canyon up on top. He sitting there with his back
like five six foot you know, diameter old growth furze
all a sudden boom, the tree just explodes behind him,
like just the whole tree shakes. So what that? Then
another one boom just he looks over about one hundred

(18:41):
and eighty yards away because his dad was measuring it
from there. When they got in the plane, there was
like an eight nine ten foot he couldn't tell, he said, huge, huge,
bigfoot flinging rocks the same way he described as Derek
Randalls at one hundred and eighty yards or swinging like
candilop sized rocks like laser beams across the canyon and
just blasting into that trees and take got big chunks.
And apparently the last time that there was fifteen twenty

(19:03):
years ago in the two thousands, and those trees were
still there with those big chunks scarred into the trunk.
You know, multiple multiple, multiple hits with this thing blasted
rocks into the tree. So that gives you an idea
about how they're throwing ability. But you guys, just did
you guys just see that article about chimpanzees and other
great apes how inaccurate they are when they throw objects

(19:23):
like sticks and rocks. Did you guys see that article?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
No, I didn't see that. Did you submit it so
we can talk about it during the next topical episode.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
I got it to say, I'll pull it up.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, please do that. Might that'd be a great one
to look at.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Yeah, they I thought I sent them. Toby just saved it,
but they got only twenty percent accuracy. The great apes
the chimps were the best, and they were like a
twenty percent.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I always wondered if the rock throwing was mostly used
to flush animals, because it seems to be used it
humans to flush them in many of those situations, you know,
like how many stories have you heard about where you
know everyone's outside and it's either quiet or there's minimal activity,
and then they all go into a cabin and then boom,
a rock hits the cabin and then what happens like
everyone runs outside the look and then it's quiet again,

(20:09):
and you know that repeats itself, and so it's almost
like the intention is to get you to move where
you're visible again. And you think, man, if you're a
nocturnal hunter, you have an inkling that there's deer hiding
in some brush or a thicket or bedded down. If
you could toss a rock that would scatter them, you
could lay eyes on them.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
So I don't think it's out of the question that
they could hunt with rocks.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
But it's interesting that all the hunting reports and the
claims of people seeing sasquatches hunt animals as always by
like apprehending them by hand and dispatching the animals that way.
You know, that doesn't mean they don't use rocks to hunt.
It's just interesting that people haven't claimed to see that
or watch that occur.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
So well, yeah, I've talked to people, not a lot,
but I'm talking to people that have seen more back
in like Tennessee, Kentucky that out.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Area premanancy, like the animal get hit by the rock.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yeah, like the squatch is there and it just we'll
see a rock come flying out and blasted deer and
then and then a squad. I saw one person they
saw it actually throw it then or maybe two people, Yeah,
I think I think I talked to two less, so
they actually saw it throw the rock. But I've talked
to like probably four or five people that have seen
a rock come flying out and blasted deer in a meadow,
then the thing run out and get it. And so

(21:22):
when also when they saw a rock blast a turkey
out of a tree one time. If they're looking at
these turkeys, they're glassing these turkeys in the tree, they're
you know, hunting in full cameo and uh, it's you know,
like four or five hundred yards away. They've just seen
this rock up with just big shower of feathers come down,
the turkey get blasted out of the tree and they
all go flying off. So I guess, uh. And then

(21:45):
I was told up in Quinnallt in the Olympic Olympic
Peninsula the natives up there, so that they said they
hunt with rocks up there.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Also, Yeah, I've never heard anything personally, but I wouldn't
be a bit surprised if they did, of course, But
I was just going to add that they must be
fairly accurate with the rock throwing, if for no other
reason then people don't seem to get hit by the
large rocks, that they're only generally hit by small ones.
That right there is somewhat of an indicator that they

(22:12):
have some level of accuracy.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, but then there's people have I've talked to people that
said they've had bowling ball rocks go within five feet
of their head like one hundred miles an hours. You've
heard that before, right.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Not any near misses with like bowling ball, but you know,
I've I've talked to plenty of people who've had like
big rocks land around them, but not like whiz by
their head.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I mean that'd be pretty terrifying.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
Yeah. Yeah, I've definitely heard that for sure several times,
like or a bigger rock could have killed and going
like I think how to have pinpoint accuracy or just
or it didn't because they said it was scary as hell,
Like there's like that, like just they're like the fact
that they could have killed them not easily, like they
said it was like definitely it would have been fatal

(22:57):
to get hit by it. You know, it comes by
like wizzing by their head within five feet. That's pretty sketchy.
I mean I've had him throw big rocks around me,
but never at me.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, I can't say I ever have, so, I mean
I've had things around me again, but not at me.
I've never been hit by a pebble or anything like that. Yeah,
it was hard to say, but again, I think the
lack of people being hit says something about how accurate
they can.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
Throw yeah, yeah, exactly, because it was random that hit
people once in a while. Totally.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Well, hopefully we've answered us question well enough. I guess
should we move on to the next one. I know
we have several more voicemails to get through.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Here is the next voicemail.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
Hi there, Cliff, Matt, and Bobo. My name is Janet
and I live in Vermont. My question concerns monkeys in
South America. I think the leading theory now is that
monkeys arrived in South America via vegetative rafts from Africa.
That seems pretty unbelievable given the distance between the two continents,

(23:59):
but I guess it's it's true. I know that you
were looking for a bigfoot creature in the Amazon. At
one point I had assumed that if they were. If
bigfoots were traveling to South America, they would have come
through the Bearing straight. Do you think that there is
a chance that bigfoots would have crossed over the ocean

(24:19):
on vegetative mats? They are kind of heavy and that
you have the most adorable giggle, Thanks so much from
a squatchhead pigeon.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
This is obviously a wonderful woman of an exquisite.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Taste right, well, soundsquatches on rafts. I don't think so.
I don't think that's the way they got to North America.
I think that they just came over the land bridge.
And because we don't know how long they've been there,
of course, and I guess the theory about rafts with
like these monkeys and stuff coming over from Africa, that
apparently that happened something over thirty million years ago. I

(24:55):
don't know how much closer South America and Africa were
at that point compared to what they are now, because
plate tectonics would have moved them around a bit. I mean,
once upon a time, Africa and South America were connected.
After all, if you look at the shapes of the continent,
it's like two pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. They fit together,
and the rocks are the same on both those locations,
and they are dated the same. It's a done deal.

(25:18):
It's a slam dunk that those two continents were actually
connected at one point, you know, back in the Pangaea days,
basically so. But how much closer they were they I
don't know. I don't know. So the thing I'm looking
at right now says about nine hundred miles between the two.
Maybe that's accurate. I don't really know. I have no idea,
but I don't think sasquatches do that. I don't think

(25:38):
sasquatches came over in rafts. But I would say this,
there is a parallel thing going on, in my opinion,
down in Indonesia. When you look at the Indonesian islands,
quite a few of them have stories of both the
little folks, the little guys like the Homo fluesiensis or
Homo louson ensis. Some places call them Ebu Gogo. Now,

(26:00):
doctor Gregory Fourth, who's been a podcast guest before, talked
about his new book where there's some critters living on
the island of Floras. Even still, he believes he's an
anthropologist and he does a lot of work down there
on Flora's And when you look further, Sulawisi has reports
of both the little guys and the big guys. Several
of the islands down there have reports of large and

(26:22):
small hairy hominoids. And then of course you look past
that and you have Australia. So I think that down there,
I think that there's a very reasonable chance that that
much much shorter journey could have been made on some
sort of rafts or you know, these things were swept
out the sea and grabbed a big floating log or

(26:43):
a chunk of you know, seaweed or something and floated
over to a new place Australia for example. Right, maybe
that's how those things, yeah he's got there back in
the day. Don't really know. And I think that's one
of the cool things that we will learn eventually once
the discovery of the sasquatch is said and done. When
we start, it'd be hard to track that sort of stuff,

(27:03):
especially twenty thirty fifty years ago. But now you can
actually track ancient migrations to some degree based on genetics.
So if we get once sasquatches are proven to be
a real species, several of the other unknown hominoids Harry
bipeds around the world will certainly be the next dominoes
to fall, because if those things can be in North America,

(27:26):
then they can be in China, they can be in Russia,
they can be in Vietnam. That's no problem. If they're
actually under our nose here in North America, then I
think that the scientists won't laugh as hard at the
idea of a bipedal primate being alive in those other
places and several others Australia for example, and when then
those other species are recognized and we can do some

(27:48):
genetic sleuthing to find out the migratory routes that they
took once so large enough sampling has been obtained. So yeah,
a lot of interesting questions are going to be answered,
and I think it's all going to start with the
discovery or the academic recognition, I should say, of the sasquatch,

(28:09):
stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Ay, Cliff, didn't they didn't they find it real like
way more recent hal overgramss.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, there was one between sixteen and nineteen thousand years
ago in China. Yeah, insane, right, insane. I mean we've
started living in cities just a little bit after that.
You know, agriculture was developed about what what is it,
twelve or fourteen thousand years ago in humans Homo sapiens,
So yeah, that's just a bit before. And just because
we have a fossil from sixteen to nineteen thousand years ago,

(28:48):
that does not mean that's when they died out. That's
that's an assumption made by people who listen to the
news reports. Basically that you know, like the most recent
fossil of Paranthropis boise eyes eight hundred thousand years ago,
But that doesn't mean that's when they went extinct. I mean,
what are the chances that the most recent fossil that
we have is the very very very very last one

(29:09):
that ever exists? Like almost zero right for each species too.
I know that's saying that's a ridiculous assumption. I mean,
maybe it's true. I mean, anything's possible, but it seems
awfully unlikely. So the fact that we have a homohydelber
against his skull from China sixteen to nineteen thousand years ago,
that's a pretty strong indicator that they were maybe some persisted,

(29:33):
maybe even to the present day. Who knows, who really knows.
I don't know, of course, but I do think it's
ridiculously unlikely that sixteen to nineteen thousand year old skull
was the very very last one.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
To ever exist.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
That means that human beings, when they started living in
small villages and kind of starting raising animals and farming
and that sort of stuff, they were seeing these large,
you know, rather robust, likely hairy bipeds living in the
woods outside of town. Basically, they were seeing these things

(30:09):
out there, and of course they slapped words on them,
because that's what humans do. We name things and we
make up stories about them. You know, that's very likely
the source of a lot of these stories, you know,
from you know, the green man or nephelum or whatever
word you want to slap on these things. The people
living in town saw these weird kind of humanish things
out there, put a word on it, made up a

(30:31):
story about it. Innerbred with this animal, or innerbread with
this angel or whatever. And there you go. And then
the cultural traces of relative hominoids throughout the world is
right there under our nose. It's so interesting. What a
fascinating time to be interested in paleoanthropology. Well, any who,
shall we hop onto the next one?

Speaker 7 (30:50):
Yeah, hey guys, it's John from the UK. I'm a
long time listener, love the podcast. Thank you so much
for all your efforts and contributions to the cause. I'm
as touched as anybody by the death of Professor Maldrum,
but it's prompted me to ask a question. I once
heard an interview with doctor Maldrum and I can no

(31:12):
longer find it. And he was relaying what he described
as his most convincing eyewitness testimony, and it was about
a woman that he appeared to know quite well, who
had worked in the city, I think, and then become
a bit of a recluse herding goats. And she recounts
how she saw a sasquatch, she saw that the emotion

(31:36):
on her face, and this sasquatch, apparently a female, had
a juvenile with her that leant out from behind her,
and apparently the main sasquatch picked the juvenile up and
walked off into the brush. And I just wondered if
you could point in the direction of that interview, or
if you had any further information about who that woman
was or what that particular instance was, because it was

(31:59):
very composed. Once again, thanks so much for the great podcast,
and really appreciate it. Thanks guys, Speak soon.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
That was Julie Davis of Colorado out in Higgins, good
friend of mine, longtime tassquatch researcher. Spent quite a bit
of time with her and knew her quite well. Some
of the details that John's remembering are a bit different,
but I did pull up. There is a report that
was submitted on the BFRO, so I'll link that in
the show notes, but if you're just listening, you want
to look it up real fast without clicking the show notes.

(32:28):
It's report two to one one zero, and it is
a fascinating report. But yeah, Julie, she actually had quite
a lot of field experience. She worked with the Great
Bear Foundation. She was a goat packer. I spent a
lot of time in the backcountry and had an amazing
class a encounter that I'd heard doctor Mildram talk about
many times. Theo Stein had interviewed her for the Denver

(32:51):
Post and then this report was published on thefro's website.
But one of these days we need to get out
and on the podcast for a lot of reasons. But
as a side note, yeah, he did spend time with
her and was very very impressed with her skills in
the field and outdoor knowledge.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Is anyone interviewer what if we get her on the pod?
Maybe possible.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
I think that'd be amazing.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Alten's the only person I've met that's met with her
in person, you know, I know doctor Melton's met with her.
I'm assuming John Manzinski and others have met with her,
But in terms of people from my personal life, I
know Alton met with her, potentially other I think that
was back when Alton was still with the bfr O
in the early days of the BFRO, But I don't
know anyone else who's like made contact with her. But yeah,

(33:33):
that would be I would love to hear that story firsthand.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Absolutely, Mayan Chinzi knows her.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Oh that would not surprise me.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, well, there you go. I was wondering if it
could have been dar Addington, who's another female goat packer
from the Blues, and she had she was involved in
a footprint find that Minezinski was involved in where there
was a sasquatch and a juvenile where the female presumed
female was walking along the slope and then every once
in a while there were juvenile footprints with it, but

(34:04):
then it would disappear, and then it would appear again,
then it would disappear and then appear it and they
realized that the juvenile was actually being carried by its
mother periodically off and on. So I was wondering if
that would have been it. So I'm so glad you
have the specific reference to the BFRO report and the
witness itself.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Now, I've heard doctor Melbourne reference Julie's story many times
and sort of retell it because she, you know, to
make a very long story short. You should definitely go
read her narrative. But you know, on an extended backpacking
trip with these pack goats and with dogs too, if
I'm not mistaken, she was inner tent and heard the
dogs and the goats either whining or making some sort

(34:41):
of alarm sound. So she stepped out of the tent
and like all of the goats were facing her, staring
at her, and she's like, what's going on is So
she turned around to see if there was something behind
the tent. There's this large sasquatch standing there and she
was like frozen, stiff, And then as it stepped away
to head back towards the tree line, it revealed behind
it another smaller one. So she saw two of him,
like an adult and a juvenile. And doctor Meldrim had

(35:04):
related that story, and I've heard him talk about that
one in a couple of interviews. When people say, oh,
what's the most compelling account you've personally heard, You know,
if you could pick one, that's usually the one that
he goes to because it was daylight. It was at
very close range. I mean they're gosh ten feet away
from each other something like that, I mean the distance
of a tent away from you, or she's at the

(35:25):
front of the tent, standing at the back of the tent.
And it was apparently focused on the goats. But anyway,
great report even references Julie Davis in his book in
Legend met Science. I try to remember the context. Maybe
it's just in the acknowledgments or the thank yous or
something like that, but oh no, I think it was
as a member of the North American Aid Project is
where her name is included.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
But anyway, it is in the book. But yeah, I
would I would love to hear her for her story firsthand.
One thousand percent.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
It's a much better answer than I could have given.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
They's your question, John already. So here is the next voicemail.

Speaker 8 (36:01):
Hi, Cliff, Bogom and Matt, how you're doing this? Is
Paul here from the UK. Just wondered how many instances
of bigfoot using tools or their interaction with fire you've
come across. Be interested to find out. Thanks for all
the stuff, take care by fire.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Almost none there is that one from Mount Diablo in
the Bay Area. But that wasn't using it necessarily, It
was just swinging around a branch that would happen to
be in the fire and as a quite old one
and might have been embellished for the sake of the
newspaper as well, which is where that that sighting thing
was published. But as far as using tools, I mean
very very few. There's a few of them that I

(36:45):
can think of. Like I remember on Finding Big What
we investigated some some sightings where the sasquatch was using
rocks to break freshwater clamshells. I mean throwing rocks as
a tool as well. We just covered that a little
bit a little bit ago. There's quite a few reports
of them throwing rocks anything. Off the top of your head, Bubba,
what do you got for tools?

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Just clubs or sticks for banging on trees. I've heard
people claim that they've found sharpened like flint like that
had been sharpened like for a cutting tool, for like
cutting up an elk hyte or something like that, But
I've never seen one or I don't know anyone documenting that.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah, I've recently heard from me an investigator I trust
that he found some sticks that seem to be sharpened.
I mean, and if that's Bigfoot related, that's that's new
to me. So we'll see about that. I'm going I'm
going to visit with this gentleman in a few months here,
and he's going to show me what he has. And
so maybe there's some way to tell maybe not. We'll

(37:43):
see about that. But they've been seen carrying and holding sticks.
There's a I think there's a famous picture in Bendernoggle's
book Eyewitness Drawing of one of these things holding a
stick and a duck in the other hand, which is
which is suggestive that maybe they use the stick to
take down the duck. But beyond you know, rocks and

(38:06):
clacking and banging stuff and opening clamshells and that kind
of stuff, I'm not aware of any other tool use now.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
And always love Moneymaker's discussion and this is a slightly
different question, but a lot of people would always ask like,
do you think they make tools? And you know, I'd
heard money makers say many times like, well, if they're
making tools, would be finding them otherwise, you know, it's
not like they're always carrying them all around with them
all the time. As a species for all these you know,
hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of years as

(38:33):
long as they've been here. So yeah, I think beyond
the wielding of you know, rocks and sticks and things
of that nature, which absolutely is tool use, you know,
there doesn't really seem to be anything more sophisticated than that,
and certainly not with fire beyond some sort of like
fascination or curiosity about fire. Occasionally them interacting with human

(38:55):
fires or who knows, maybe potentially wildfire, but I've not
really seen that, but.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
I heard of them being around like grass fires, brush fires,
like getting small animals coming out like lizards and right
roadings and stuff like that. I've heard of that, but
that's not they didn't start it or control it.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
But Paul's a good member of ours, if you recall,
Paul was the member who had reached out about coming
stateside at some point, and so I think he's still
planning on doing that. There's he'd send an email about that.
So we'll get back to Paul about that with some suggestions.
But thanks again, Paul. And then here is the last
of the voicemails.

Speaker 9 (39:33):
Hey Clobo, Matt. My name is Seth Kine, a longtime
listener out here delivering on my route for USPS. Listened
to your podcast all the time. Thought maybe sending a
voicemail sending some past questions. I was wondering if he
built a box out of two way mirrors and puts
trail cameras inside facing all directions, if that would be
enough of a curiosity factory to bring in Bigfoot, or

(39:55):
if they would still sense the cameras and maybe stay away.
Of course, you have to worry about sun reflect out
the mirrors and starting a forest fire. But if you
could prevent that problem with the box of mirrors the
cameras inside, do you think it would attract any sasquatches?
After ore ones in the area? All right, keep a squatching.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
I think so. I mean they've been seen looking in mirrors.
They've approached mirrors and people put them out for attractants
and people. So they've seen them like gazing the reflection
in ponds or lakes or in windows. Even they look
like they appeer up peer. They are looking at themselves
like you know, turn tilting their head and stuff like that.
So I think I think it could possibly work. Yeah,

(40:34):
give it a try.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Maybe, I mean and I know other apes have been
exposed to mirrors and with interesting effects. You can see
some of those videos online and YouTube. Probably. I think
the problem, of course, is the same problem run into
with basically trail cameras anyway. You know, who's to say
there's a sasquatch close enough to even notice the mirror,
let alone the the you know, get a picture of

(40:57):
it inside. I mean, I'm not saying you should and tried,
if that's that's, you know, something of great interest to you.
I think it would be difficult to cart around mirrors
and make boxes out of them and stuff in the woods.
At least it seems to me that would be difficult,
But maybe a mirror guy would think different. But at
the same time, that's the thing like attractants in general,

(41:20):
I don't think there's a good track record of any
attractant working with sasquatches really, I mean, not even food
items work consistently enough to do anything about from at
least from my knowledge about these things, I've tried all
sorts of stuff with zero results. I've tried stuff when

(41:41):
I knew sasquatches were there, and of course they knew
I was there as well, and so they probably just
stayed away from whatever I put out for them. But
I've never ever had luck with any of that stuff.
And a few times that there have been something that
I think is interesting or true for that matter, let's see,
almost always been on some sort of like long term

(42:02):
property where the sasquatches are know the routines of the
people who live there. But even then it's not that people.
Those people leave things out for them and to no
avail to very often. So I don't know, I don't know.
I mean, I hate to be so pessimistic, but I
just see problems with that. But I mean, if it works,

(42:23):
my gosh, go do it. I guess I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yes, I have to go out and try it. I'm
not going to do it.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
But I'm not saying that because I don't think it
would work. I just that ain't my bag.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, I just see problems, like I'm gonna I'm gonna
lacerate myself doing that. I just know it like carting
around a box a mirror box, Like how big of
a box? How small of a box? And it's got
to be big enough to catch attention.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Yeah, then if it's big enough to catch attention, then
I mean they're not going to approach so that it's
like out in the open, you know, like you got
to put it where they can approach it kind of covered, you.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Know, Yeah, where do you put it? And how do
you know what sasquatches? Even in the area.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
You know, you can't put it out the middle of
a pasture or or something. You know, it's got to
be where they can come up behind some large something
they can hide behind a approach like ruh, you know,
thick trees or logs down, big logs or brush. They
need something they can kind of creep up on it with.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
And the way that something like that would have to
work is you'd have to have cameras with massive hard
drives and big battery sources that are always recording. Because
something like a ring camera or a game camera, you know,
those are triggered. They have passive IR sensors and when
that beam is tripped, it activates the camera to record.
But if they're inside of glass, nothing's going to trigger

(43:36):
that beam because it's just going to be reflecting off
the glass on the inside. This is the same reason
you can't put a game camera, you know, inside your
house looking out the window because nothing will ever trip it.
So the only way that would work is if they're
recording twenty four to seven and they're either going to
run out of battery or fill up the hard drive
pretty quickly, so you'd have to service them very often.
So it's not the kind of thing you could leave

(43:57):
out in the field, like you could a motion activated camera,
like a game camera or something like that.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I didn't even think about the IR beam not being
able to penetrate the glass. Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Well, shall we move on to a few written submissions
with a few minutes we have here?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, I think we've pooped on Seth's idea enough that
we can move on.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
I didn't poop on it.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
I don't think it's a bad idea.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
I don't think it's a bad idea either. I just
feel bad. It's like everything that came out of my
mouth is like, I don't know about that. I just
feel bad. I'd like to be more supportive.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
I got a little poop update for the members section.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Now, I'm super excited.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
A little fecal update from Bobo coming up from members? Nice?

Speaker 4 (44:36):
Yeah, not mine.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, I'm a little disappointed now, but I'm still looking
forward to it.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
With Seth's idea.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
As is true of many ideas, I think it's a
great idea if the technology existed. That's the thing is that,
you know, the reason I don't think it's a great
idea mostly has to do with the fact that, like, well,
you'd have to haul it out somewhere. Besides all the
normal logistics stuff, you'd have to service it very often,
because I don't know how you can have something that
was just motion activated, and unless it's the kind of

(45:05):
thing that's always on and the motion activation is based
on changing pixels rather than some warm object breaking the
ir beam, but then it's going to trip every time
the wind blows, because the pixels are always going to
change every time an insect goes by or a bird,
or the wind blows and the leaves move, and so
there's just a whole lot of technological limitations that would

(45:26):
make that a bigger pain in the neck than it
might ostensibly seem to be.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo will be right back after these messages.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
So here is the first written submission.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
This is from Darren from Ohio. What is your favorite
new piece of gear you have in your pack, Well,
for me, it's it's the DNA tubes that I'm working
with the for the study over at North Carolina State
University because I think it's very very promising. So that then,
so that's mine, I mean, because I'm excited about this
project that we're working on and you never know what

(46:10):
might come from it, you know, So to me that
that's the most that's my favorite new piece of gear.
But as far as like what I think you're actually asking,
like the tech gear and all that sort of stuff,
I don't have anything new and I'm not really bringing
anything out really for the most part. I mean, well,
and I take that back, I'll say the three D
scanner because I've had that for about a year and
a half, two years. That's probably the newest piece of

(46:32):
technology that I bring out with me. The three D
scanning app on my phone gives really cool information and
it's helping me document kind of up my game a
little bit. So that's my answer.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
I got a new long durationion auto recorder. I'm getting
it's coming into the mail here pretty soon, so I'm
stoked for that.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, I've got that pulsar Healion thermal that I really love.
I only use that at night and then during the
day I use a from Amazon. I bought reformed a
few years ago, a Canon EOS two thousand and D
and a seventy five to three hundred millimeter lens for
daylight photos or video, and I love that thing. So
I'd probably pick that just because it's so much fun

(47:12):
to use, and you know, point and shoot sort of
a thing, and you can set up all sorts of
like settings so it auto focuses, and it's really easy
for a luddite like me, like I'm just not camera savvy.
So if I compare those together, yeah, the DSLR for
the daytime and the thermal for night, like, because I'm
a visual I want to see one, I want to
document one if I see it. So those are my

(47:34):
favorite new gear acquisitions, although I've had each of them
now for I don't know, three or four years.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, it's hard to it's hard to answer that because
a new piece of gear. I don't really buy gear
so much. I'm not really a gear kind of guy
because my focus is elsewhere now, you know.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Then I'm not.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Sure how the gear helps a lot, so it has
to be the app so for me, but I haven't
bought a new piece of a new toy for quite
some time.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
I guess we're really done with that one. Thanks for
the question there, Darren. Next we got Eric Strawn. Hey, guys,
I was watching some reruns a Finding Bigfoot and it
got me wondering, did you ever have trouble with locals
going out and screaming with your investigations, things like planting
fake evidence or returning your calls knocks. With the publicity
of the show filming in an area, I could see

(48:20):
jerks wanting to mess with you. We talked about that
one in Louisiana where we had to move because those
guys found out where we were. They were yelling and knocking,
and we had to move the whole location. But it
didn't happen very much.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
No, that happened in Minnesota one time, but I don't
think anyone ever planted him from planted fake stuff because
we never really found anything like that. First of all,
so and walking around at night isn't the best time
to find tracks or anything like that. But by and large,
people nobody really knew where we were gonna go, you know,
like that one in Louisiana. I don't think they were

(48:55):
out for us. I think that they knew we were
in town and went out and was doing they were
doing this stuff. Ain't anyway, Remember the.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Gate was locked. We had like seven vehicles in front
of this logging gate like it for like half an hour.
Remember that. That's how we got found.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, but they weren't out like, they weren't looking for us.
They were just camping drinking beer around a fire.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
No, no, they came out looking for us.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
The ones that were you that Matt, You and Matt
were on the team.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
No, My understanding is that they were just drinking beer
around the fire and doingking noise.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
But no, no, they were They were on foot, walking
like walking up the road we can't drove in on.
They were walking up, banging and yelling and drinking beers.
Are all drunk. Yeah, they we found out because they
we sat Remember we sat at the gate for like
thirty minutes, like a whole convoy on the side of
the highway with the U haul truck from the like
the same same vehicles at the town hall meeting and

(49:41):
all that, and they found out where we were and
they were like an hour or two later, they were
out there doing they're knocking and screaming and yelling.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Yeah, for the most part, I mean we were behind
locked gates and back in private land a lot of times,
or you know, even if we're on public land, we
had access to areas where other people couldn't really go,
So yeah, we.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Always had extra film from it. It's like we could
go multiple places, so no one knew exactly where we
were going.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
And then our schedule would move around a lot as well,
so we we often Yeah, so it was it was
we were pretty hard to find for the most part,
you know, pretty hard to find.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
I thought it was gonna happen way more, I'll say that.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yes, And as a show went on and on and on,
we got better at it. We got better at avoiding
where people were, and our producers became more savvy as
far as the bigfoot needs and all that sort of stuff.
So we didn't really have too much of a problem
with there. Just out of the nine years of shows,
over one hundred shows, I guess, you know. I mean,
you can count on one hand and they have still

(50:38):
still have a couple of spare fingers left over. How
many times that happened so it was very rare.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I think this would be a good one to end on.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
All right, This one comes from Ryan Gatrau. Patterson went
to his grave insisting the PG footage was real. I
keep hearing that Bob Gimlin has had doubts. However, I've
never seen an interview with Bob where he ever waivers
on his claim that the footage is real. Are either
of you aware if Bob has ever said otherwise?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
You remember that was that one interview?

Speaker 4 (51:13):
God, who was it?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
It might have been one of those there's some sort
of like British kind of hit piece, and they had
said like, is it possible that Roger could have had
someone in a suit waiting for you guys, and just
kept hammering that, and I think Gimmon was like, well,
I guess it's possible, but then it would have run
the risk of me shooting him because I had a
rifle pointed at it. And people have twisted that quote

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to go see even Gimwan admits that he might have
been fooled, where it's like, that's not what he was saying.
If I'm remembering correctly, Does that sound fun exactly.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
What it was? Yeah, the guy kicked going like, there's
no possible you're saying you were. He said you were
with Robert, with Roger every minute of every day. Goes, no,
we weren't together. He goes, well, you could have met
with somebody, and blah blah blah like all that kind
of bs.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I think that's the origin of that story. That quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Gimlin has had doubts is that, you know, they took
that one quote and tried to say, see even he
thinks he might have.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Been fooled, when that just wasn't the nature of what
he was saying.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, that sounds just like skeptics grasping at straws to me,
you know. But yeah, because I've had we've all had conversations,
I think with Bob Gimlin about this, and he told me,
I remember the cliffs like what I saw was an animal.
I mean I remember. I mean that's I think that's
a very very close to a direct quote. What I
saw was an animal. He's never given an indiandication at all.

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That was anything but that he told me, And again
sold the rights to the film for one dollar because
he was tired of it. So yeah, I mean I've
had great conversations with Bob. I've heard this story directly
from his own mouth numerous times, both because I've asked
him and because I was listening when other people have
asked him.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
The poor guy.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
But yeah, there's never I've never had any indication that
that was even on the radar. So we've said it
a million times. Patterson Gimlin film has kind of been
beaten to death. That's a great piece of footage, super interesting.
But let's go get another one, man, Let's go get
another piece of footage. That's where the focus should be.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
All right, folks, Well, here we go. There's another Q
and A wrapped up. Keep guys sending your questions. We'd
love to hear them. Or if you got a setting
story you want to tell us, let us know about
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