The Adult Industry X Plastic Surgery Collide: Behind the Scenes of Adult Entertainment

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to another episode of Plastic Surgery Uncensored. I'm your host,
Doctor Roder Raban, and I am actually very interested and
excited about today's episode. You guys are going to find
this very interesting because while we often talk a lot
about the surgery itself, today we're going to talk about
the psychology of the surgery, most notably in porn right

(00:29):
in the industry. And I think it's just so fascinating.
I find it's so interesting I talk about the psychology
and the impact and all those things of plastic surgery
because we always talk about oh, brass scars, bigger or smaller,
capsure contractor knows. While that's important, all that is bullshit.
What matters is I feel prettier, I'm more confident. I

(00:50):
married a guy. I was dating some piece of shit
I broke up. It's the impact of the surgery and
what it does. And so we're very lucky to have
Lenna Lena, right, Yeah, I was saying Lena, and I
got corrected, which I understand because everyone calls me Rady,
even Siri calls me Rady, rob On Roddy. And we're

(01:11):
gonna have a conversation about all things related to that.
So you came to me. We did some surgeries, we
did some breast revision, we did a little cleanup action.
You had had a child and had a sea section.
All that's and I'm assuming everything is looks amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I have the most beautiful sea sections car ever ever
obsessed with it.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Great, and you were very interesting enough, And I think
this is a great segue. You are a very picky person,
and I have all types of patients, right, I have patience.
Everyone wants a good result. There's no one that comes
in Here's like, hey, I don't give a shit. Whatever
it looks good enough, it's good. No. No, every come
to me for a reason. If they come to me,
then they're picky automatically, because if you go online and

(01:55):
you're like, okay, here are all the options, usually if
they gravitate towards me, they're generally a little bit more
aesthetically inclined. But within my patient population, I have really
picky people and then I have regular picky people. And
you're on the really picky side, which is great. I'm
a very picky person myself. And what a lot of

(02:16):
our conversations stem from. It's like I am my livelihood
is my body.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I have to look good naked, and I have to
look good.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Naked, which is very interesting because most people don't have
to look good naked. They want to look good naked.
They want to be pretty for themselves when they shower
and they go across the mirror. They want to be
pretty for their husband or their wives. But it's not
going to make or break their lives. For you, it's
your livelihood, it's your job, it's your career, it's what
you do. And so it's more than I just want

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to look good naked. It's like, I have to look
good naked. So that number one changes the dynamics of
what we can or cannot do, or what you will
or won't accept. And so it was very important. And
you're like this scar to be low, Like no, no,
I'm talking low. I'm like, we're pretty damn low. You're like, no, no, no,
it just really needs to I was like, Okay, we're
gonna be as low as physically possible. And so for

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the fact that you're happy everything turned out great is amazing.
You'd had multiple breast surgeries, which is not uncommon, right,
because you have breast surgeries, sometimes they're not done well.
Sometimes they have issues, and right now, your breast are
Your breasts are great.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
They're my favorite set.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Okay, so that's good. So we're in the winning category now.
So you and I were talking briefly before, and we
brought up a whole bunch of things that I think
is super interesting. So I have a million questions. You're
going to help me answer them. Number one is you
were mentioning God. There's so many things I want to
ask you about. Let's just start out with the basics.
What percentage of the women in the industry have had,

(03:49):
in your mind, cosmetic surgery or plastic surgery.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I would say like eighty percent eighty percent?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
And what are the things that are just what are
the most of the things that people are doing.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Probably the most common one is breast augmentation okay, BBL
also very common. I mean it's not surgery, but obviously
the filler craze.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Sure, what about things like labiaplastis.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yes, actually lots of lava plasties right, less people speak
about it, of.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Course, Yeah, because it's just one of those things. I
figured that LiPo section I'm sure is like of course.
So there's no different industry wise, say perhaps than a
regular woman, because at the end of the day, the aesthetics,
the beauty of it is no different. The thing that
you brought up, which is really interesting, which is very true,
is and this was one of the cop things I've
found so fascinating. You're like, most women who started in

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the industry at the beginning don't have a large fan base.
They don't have a ton of money, so either to
get into the industry or once they're in the industry,
they go and get surgery, and they usually do it inexpensive.
You don't have a ton of money. You need a
breast dog. Your first set of breasts, as you would say,
is usually not very good because usually you get what
you pay for, Like if you get like a thirty

(05:04):
five hundred dollars breast dog, it's usually not going to
be great. It'll encapsulate, et cetera. But then you sort
of develop a look, right, is that what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, It's like for me, when I came in, I
was heavier, and I think there's a lot of my
fan base is like, hey, where is the thick version
of you? Whereas even though I feel better and healthier
at this version, I still get like my fans being like,
come on, eat, let's go, let's go. But I had
two breast breasts when I started. That's just my natural anatomy,
and so pretty early on I got a breast augmentation.

(05:34):
So I don't think so many of my fans are
concerned with that, but the weight thing is a big
thing for them.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
So you said something very interesting. The people that you're
successful because you have people that follow you, your fan base,
people that subscribe to you, that follow you, that watch you.
Those people, your fans have an image of you that
they like. Yeah, as you were saying, some people like young,
pu prefessant type looking girls, right, some people like curvy.

(06:05):
There's overweight, there's l older, right, there's all these category categories. Yeah, right,
And you sort of come in and you if you
make it, you make it a certain look. So like
if tomorrow you suddenly chopped your hair off, it would
be game over. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
If I want like blonde with a pixie cut, I mean,
I'm the product and the product changed, So I can
understand why my fans would be upset about it.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Right. So what you were saying is that as the product,
as you come in young and you start doing things.
You had said something about being the best version of yourself,
but then that's not what your fans like. So tell
me a little about what that concept is like.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
So, like, my fans would just like it more if
I put on twenty pounds, right, because.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
That's who they the person they started this journey with.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, And that version of me was also, you know,
almost ten years younger, And so sometimes I'll get comments about, like,
you look better before, and it's like, well, I just
looked younger, and there's like almost nothing I can do
about that fact.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Correct, It's just that I've aged.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
But you know that's why I was in your office
two weeks ago trying to get a face look like.
It's like, as much as I don't want to be
influenced by that fact, it does influence me. No.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I mean we all we all say we don't care.
But number one, when I look in the mirror and
I see saggy eyelids, which I didn't have five years ago,
it bothers me. Number Two, when someone comments something, even
though you're like a super confident person, you're like, oh wow,
do I fucking bag you? C under my eyes? And
three when everyone's looking at you, and you are the

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visual product. There's no one who can just go on
skaale or they don't care. I mean, Brad Pitt, Angelie Dli.
Everybody is under that pressure. What did I tell you
when you came in for a face off? E said no,
I said, get the fuck out of my office. Okay,
but you will be back for that. So what you
were saying, which was really cool, makes sense is people
come in, they do whatever they do, They scrap together

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whatever money they have. If it's good or bad, it's
not really relevant. It's what were you develop a fan base,
people are like, ooh, I'm into Julie or whatever. And
then as you get make more money and you make
more progress, all of a sudden you don't like that
version of yourself, so you start changing it and it
can actually have we can backfire you soon. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
I mean if you're a girl who gets popular for being,
you know, one hundred pounds natural breasts, and then you
go get a breast augmentation, it could you might open
yourself up to a new fan base, but it'll really
shut off a lot of the fan base that you are.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
And do you know girls that have you've met throughout
the years where that actually happened, it ended their careers.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Not anyone that I could think of right now, But
I know girls who have, like you know, gotten bangs
and then fully just started growing them out right away.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Right, well, now you don't have to do well, now
you don't have to worry about that. You just go
get extensions the next day so you can under bangs.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Can you do that?

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Can you? Can't you do that? Anybody know what? If
I knew the answer to that, we got a major problem.
Like I know a lot of things. I don't know
anything about bars. Yeah, I don't know about I'm not
sure about that. And then you were, you were what
kind of pressure is there in industry that you think

(09:12):
is different than say a traditional celebrity. So you're Angelina Jolie,
you have pressures. People are looking at you, people admire you.
You're constantly being viewed. You're imporn, you're also being viewed.
It is something that you're both the product. What do
you think is unique about that industry that doesn't apply

(09:32):
to other.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I mean, the thing that comes to top of mind
for me is that, you know, if Angelina Jolie was
to go off and get pregnant, she can kind of
just like hide from the cameras for a little bit.
She doesn't have to show her body naked. But for me,
it's been something that I've thought about a lot, is like,
when am I going to continue my family and grow
my family because my whole livelihood is determined by my physicality?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Interesting you, so you won't be able you have? And
do you do? Are women in industry successful at having
kids and coming back and having kids and coming back
or pretty much when they have kids it ends their career.
How does that work?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Of the friends that I know that have kids, they
have gone and have kids and come back. But I
think that in a lot of cases they maybe would
have wanted to have more kids, but they also need
to work. And so for me, that's what's happening with me.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Is like, so you would have had you have how
many kids?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I have one kid and I got pregnant February twenty
twenty during a shutdown. Okay, it was like great.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Time, great, great timing. So you're like, if only we
could somehow conjure another pandemic, I would have another child,
my pandemic baby. So when are you going to have
another kid?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, I don't know, because now I have this beautiful
scar that you fix. And that's the other thing is
like you have the baby, you get your body done right.
I fix my breasts because I breastpled for three years.
I fix my cesarean scar and then I'm like, Okay,
now I want to get pregnant. Well, yeah, let's undo
thousands of dollars of surgery, all the you know, the

(11:04):
care of my body to just go and do it
all over again.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Potentially it's tough, Yes, that make that makes total sense.
And then you know, so people have a there's a
lot of sort of misunderstanding about different aspects of industry,
and you were saying that it's not you think the
girls who are in industry are mostly doing things that
they like and then they get to go out and

(11:29):
get admired for it or not, or they're doing things
to be like they don't really like the way they look,
but it works for them for their fan base.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Honestly, I just think it's a slippery slope with probably
a lot of people you come see coming here where
they're beautiful. Maybe you're a little something, but then your
whole Instagram is feed is showing you all kinds of
surgery all the time, because that's the algorithm you're following.
And so you just get this warped idea of what
you're supposed to look like, and slowly but surely, you
move towards it without even realizing, like what you've done.

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And I don't think that girls fans necessarily want that.
I think it's more of something that's happening internally, right
have you seen?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
I mean? And that's that's another thing, because I have
other patients who everyone who follows me and knows me
knows that I don't participate in any like I don't
care if you bring me up suitcase full of eight
million dollars, if you want to do something, I'm like,
are you fucking great? Like that's going to ruin your body.
I won't do it, but they get it done. I've
had several patients who came to me and asked for X,
Y and Z. I'm like, no, it's a bad idea,

(12:28):
you're perfect, And then they show up to fix X,
Y and Z. Of course I'll help you once you've
already made the mistake. I wouldn't have done it to you,
And I was like, what the hell? And She's like, well,
you said you wouldn't do it, but I needed it
and I had it done and now I regret it.
So how do you how? How do you know how?
I mean? I think like I would think that it

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would be never ending as a as a as A
as an adult film star who's always naked, you would
think like bigger, bigger breasts, I gotta get bigger breaths,
I got to get more live a section. Oh my god,
to have a wrinkle, Like I mean, we're talking hyper
focused on your physicality.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, it's really sad. I mean when when I show
up on set and there's another girl always, it's like
we get undressed and as we're putting on our lingerier,
we're just talking about all of the things that we
want to fix about our bodies. When we're being admired
for our bodies, we're being paid for our bodies, and
it's just so ironic.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
It's like a girl showing me a tiny little lump
from a previous light bow and it's like, oh, I
need I need to go fix this and this and this,
and I'm just looking at her like, wow, you're so beautiful,
you know, And I'm doing the same, and she's commenting
on me like, no, you don't need that. But it's
just like you have to believe that you don't need
it in order for you not to go get it done.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I mean, but but aren't you getting a ton of
comments as well? Like aren't people are we in it?
Back in the day, you would just it would just
be viewed. Yeah, right, You weren't interacting with the fans,
were you? You just weren't you. It was an adult film,
like you would post something and it would go into
whatever they help, whatever method. People would watch it, but
they weren't writing you dms and comments. Well, now you're

(14:03):
getting like feedback from people.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
But I think sometimes so for example, with me, I
lost weight and now my ears look bigger, and my
fans are all commenting on my ears, right, like this
is something that I didn't necessarily notice about myself so much,
which someone might be looking me like you're ears big?
How do you not know? But so it's like my
fans are commenting on this thing and I don't really care.
But then there's things I notice about myself that my
fans don't notice, or like among my peers, they are

(14:27):
picking on themselves and it's little things that like a
male would never recognize, you know. But it's just like
we are so hyper focused on our bodies because we're
in most cases now it's not just like a big
major company filming something of you and putting it out.
It's like you are filming yourself. You are editing yourself.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh is that right? So you are? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
If I mean, if you sell your content on OnlyFans,
you might be the one filming on your iPhone and
then also editing. So you have to watch yourself back.
I make it a point to not watch myself back
because I know myself. I'm just gonna pick on myself.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
So would you say the majority of industry today, So
here's just this is how little and stupid. I know.
Majority of the industry is now self driven content, self
posting or traditional you know, uh, vivid, vivid whatever, I
don't remember.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, I mean there's a bunch of girls who are
still going that route, right. They have no following, so
they go and they work for a company, and then
the company is the one that's building their name. And
then there's like me where I just started posting photos
on Instagram and I gained a following and then I
opened my only Fans account, and there's now because of
that route, there's just so many more girls doing what
I do. So I would say, I guess that is

(15:36):
more and more popular. There's more people doing it. And
then when I started, you know, I was twenty five,
and then now that OnlyFans thing has become so big,
so there's just so many more girls on it. And
those girls are launching their accounts of the day they turn eighteen.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
So I am like ancient, They're ancient. But isn't there
is there in your mind in the world of adult film?
Is there is there? Isn't that? Isn't there another whole
new market for that? Isn't that how that worked? Like
how do you like, Oh, they have milf, they have overweight,
they have like you think like, oh, you're one hundred

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pounds overweight. The last thing you'd be doing is adult
film and you're like, oh, I have a eight hundred
million follow up.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, there's something for everyone.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
So what I'm saying is I wonder if that, if
it just isn't an evolution to the next phase of
whatever it is. Right, you were young and now you're
getting more mature.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, I guess for me, I don't necessarily know. If
I feel comfortable like a leaning into the MILF.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Think, well, you're not there yet, you're in mid transition.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
No, no, no, I mean I feel if you can
be in the industry and be twenty five. But if
you have like a thousand CC implants, you're on milf
you're the step mom?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Is that right? Yes? And you're casting that.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
So I mean, I work for myself, so I only
cast myself as myself. But like if I worked for
a company, that's what my agency agent is going to
book me for.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
So let's talk about these agents now. So let's talk
about what do they How how much influence do agents
have on girls in their plastic surgery? So you go
to an agency, you say, listen, I want to get
involved in the industry. They say, okay, we need you
to gain weight, go get a breast dog. You got
to fill in your hip dips? And is that how
that works? How much does the agency drive there? In

(17:20):
your instance, you've made it, You're on your own, You
run your own show. What about the younger girls who
don't have any following?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I can only speak to like stories that I've heard.
I think that the way it works with agents is like,
you know, a girl calls them up and they're like, hey,
I'm interested in The agent's like, all right, I'm going
to put you on three sets next week. Let's see
how you do. Because some girls might be like, oh,
I'm uncomfortable in front of the camera. I thought I
could do this, but I can't. I think if the
girl starts gaining massive popularity, they'll say, don't change a thing.
But if then if the agent cannot book the girl,

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they might start putting ideas in their ear, like well,
if you got rest implants or if you did this,
maybe I can you know.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Okay. So it doesn't necessarily mean that they're gonna they're
gonna mold a girl from the beginning, because I think
I would think that you they would come and they'd
be like, okay, so what we need you is go
get a breast dog. Your breasts are too small, and yes,
I think you're a little fat in the love handles
and blah blahlah. I somehow I envision the producers or
the directors telling these poor girls that they need to

(18:14):
do these things. But you're saying that not necessarily that however,
they show up through the door, they'll give it a
shot and see if it works, if it sticks.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I was. I'm not saying that an agent has never
told one of its girls like, hey, you need to
lose a little way. I'm sure that happens all the time.
But I think it all just depends on if the
fans become attracted to this girl because they like, for me,
I was bigger right at the time that I got popular.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
So how much bigger is bigger? Because you could you
might have been seven pounds bigger and you're like.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Oh, I always bay like twenty pounds bigger.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
How tall are you?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Five to one?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
How much do you weigh now? One?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Twenty five?

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Okay, I mean it's not bigger, but okay, twenty pounds
at five.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
You were curer way curveer. My thighs were bigger, My
butt was bigger, like in the areas that people generally
want to be bigger. I was so Now it's like, oh,
your butt is so small now, even though to me
it's a big butt.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Still I got it. So you got that, So that's
so fast. See, that's the thing that I don't think
other people understand is like you are recognized for whatever
it is. There's a group of people that find this attractive. Right.
That's why when you open one of these things, there's
like billion categories, right, and then if you change that,
those people don't find you attractive anymore. And all of

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a sudden, now you're maybe you made it another category,
but like you got to stay your part. I didn't
understand that until you mentioned that to me, that what
are we doing with all this o zempic stuff. I
think everybody would go in the skinny category. Like I mean,
let's say, I'm listen, most people aren't curvy by choice.
Curvy not in the sense that we call it now.
We call everything curvy. If you're overweight, you're overweight, we

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call it curvy because it's got a nice sound to it.
But if you're forty pounds overweight, But in industry, it
may actually work for you. I'm I'm assuming there are
people that are curvy and overweight and they're killing it
as far as fiscally and financially. What happens now when
you can just take a shot and lose all this weight,
what's happening in the industry.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
There's definitely a lot of girls that I'm friends with
who are bigger, and a lot of the bigger parts
of them are because they're carrying all their fat and
their butt and their legs, and they would like to
be on the shot. I think to, you know, maybe
have their upper body or their stomach be smaller. But
then they're like, I'm going to lose my butt and
I'm going to lose my fans.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
So they actually have with hell from taking the shot
losing the weight because of fear of actually changing their
bodies sufficiently that it would change your fan base.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, but I also think they like maybe they like
their butt being big more than they like themselves being
thin as well.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
That I understand, because there is always that duality irrespective
of the shot, right, patient come into like I want
to lose more weight, but I just haven't lose into
my butt. But would you say, overall in the industry,
what has what are these semi glue tides and glp's
done for the industry Because I can tell you outside
in my practice, seventy percent of people are on the drug,
like to eighteen year old, twenty two year olds, forty

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seven year olds, fifty two year old. So what about
an industry.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I think for the girls in the industry, it's like
I'm always ready, so I don't have to like get ready,
you know. I feel like a lot of girls would
prepare for, like, let's say, a big shoot, like someone
might prepare for their wedding day, like just really watching themselves,
but they'll just get on the shot and then it's
just like, Okay, I don't need to worry anymore, you know,
I'm always just right.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
So you don't think that there's a huge shift towards
skinnier women all of a sudden, like in other words,
like the categories were all scattered and bigger girls were good.
And remember there was a period of time we started
embracing that the Kardashian YadA YadA YadA, bbl's YadA YadA,
and now all of a sudden, you know, cocaine chic,
supermodel thin that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I wouldn't say so. I mean, I definitely think there's
girls in the industry who were taking the shot and
they're getting too thin, and their fans are probably getting
upset with them for that because they're looking sickly. But
I don't think that like skinny girls are getting booked
more than thick girls, not at all.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
So that did so we did it. The whole shot
thing didn't mass change the industry.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I wouldn't say so. And I feel like the reason
is is because even though women generally want to be
thin and look thin, most of the time the men
are saying, I like you a little extra weight on you.
And it's that's the audience, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
So that's very interesting and I think that's actually true,
which is when your audience is yourself, which is the
people who are just regular folks. Yes they don't want
to have smaller breasts, Yes they don't want to lose
the weight in their butt, but overall, women almost across
the board want to be skinnier. Yeah, and when you're
the person who's paying your bills, is a guy looking

(22:36):
at you, they are going to sort of prefer you
on the fuller side, which is a fascinating concept in general,
because what a weird cluster fuck you want to be
skinny the person admiring you, your husband and or your fans.
Once you fuller, it's like, you know, what do I do?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I think it's like women are always looking at the
beauty trends and it tends to be that the clothes
that are that we want to wear just like look
better on smaller bodies or are made to fit better
on smaller bodies. But then you know, men want to
see us naked, and they want to see us lingerie,
and maybe they want that to be more filled out.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
How do you determine how do you not go and
get your breast bigger. So one of the other things
that people think about is you think porn you think
huge breasts. Like it's just just like I'll give a
perfect example. When women come into my office, the first
thing they say to me, if I had recorded one
thousand interactions, the word I don't want to look like
a porn star has been said nine hundred and forty

(23:34):
six times in my office, to the point that I
tell them in advance so I don't have to hear it.
It's like, I know, you want to be natural, you
don't want to look like a porn star. I got it.
So that connection, which may be passe, it may be
old school, No, that's not it. People like small breasts
not whatever. What's going on with that whole concept of
big breasts and pornography? Tell me about that.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I feel like most women that I know who have
their breasts and their I mean, I have big boobs,
but they're not.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Like you know, no, your breasts are not grmal.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
They're not like out in your face where it looks
like big balloons that are going to pop. I do
think that that's like more of a thing in the past.
There are some girls in the industry where they just
like that. They want to look very like a bimbo fide.
That is exactly the aesthetic they're chasing. But it's not
like across the board.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
So that was you think that was an old that
was like an Yeah, that was old school industry. Like
the old school industry was like porn, huge tits, that's
it because we didn't have bbls and we didn't have
other things.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
So like the only modification you could really get right.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
And you don't think that that's in the world of
all the women that are out there that represent the
adult industry. You don't think that that's still a substant
like that that's it is. It is a look, but
it's just one one.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I feel like it's more fringe. I feel like there's
a set of girls who are like, oh, I know
in five years, I'm going to get bigger ones and
they just want to keep going bigger and bigger. That
was never me, Like, I want to be able to
go hang out with my family and just look like
a normal person.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Okay, So that's another thing. So if I saw you
at the bank, I'd be like, oh, what a nice
looking girl. I wouldn't be like, oh, she's important.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Is that more common now? Is it more common that
there are much more normal looking, every day looking women
in it now than in the past, Because again, you
say pornography, I think you have an idea. It's like
that da da da, da da da. I don't think
people watching we're gonna be like, oh, she looks classic

(25:25):
or quintessential. So is that just because the trend is
more that way that the viewers like more natural looking women.
Is that because women that are more natural are now
getting in the industry? How does that work?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
It's hard for me to speak to like how it
was before because I just have like those stereotypical.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
But let's assume it was, say the stereotypes. Stereotypes often
have some truth to them, So let's assume that before
was the before. But now.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I really feel like almost all of the girls that
I come across just look pretty normal.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
There's normal.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, there's very few that have like that crazy, plastic
y look. And I don't think that that's mostly what
people want in the indust I think they want the
girl to look like pretty normal, pretty normal, and if
they have a girl who has, you know, the crazy
BBL and the big boobs, they just happen to like
like that sex doll type of vibe. And that's just

(26:22):
one category. That's one kids minor, I think.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
So, so you do think that the industry, all the
pornography industry, has also moved towards more natural because right
because you can when you're on Instagram and you're scrolling
through things, the word natural is thrown out like it's.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Like, I think it depends. It's like there's like the
girls in Miami who has who have that Miami look
with their all it's like standard, everyone has a BBL,
everybody has huge boobs. But then there's a lot of
girls who are really natural. And it's like if you
build your fan base based on your natural look and
you decide that you're not going to modify, and you're
able to keep that fan base, then now you've just
made you know, that category for you, there's a category

(27:00):
for everyone.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
That's But what I'm looking for is I mean you
said it, you said it before. You like, if you
come out you have no boobs, you're super skinny, you're flat,
you're boyish looking, whatever, there's a fan base for you.
My point is disglobally, like there is in the regular
side of the world, there's trends and the trends that say,
oh look look how natural the facelifts look. Nobody looks

(27:22):
super pooled anymore. Smaller breasts are definitely in now on
the natural side. If anything, X plants are in, So
there's definitely those trends on the outside. I was wondering
if that also mimicked on the inside, because I don't
know that men necessarily like people assome men want what
they don't have in the regular world, right they have

(27:43):
a regular girlfriend, regular wife, regular, no disrespect, just not
all done dolled out. But in terms of adult industry,
it's kind of your fantasy world, and so they would
want something a bit more extreme. That's why I think
the whole big boob thing maybe occurred. It's sort of
a fantasy fetishy thing so, but you're not like that,

(28:07):
and it seems like the people that you encircle yourself aren't.
Is that just your little subset or you think that
that's actually the change in the movement.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I feel like in the industry and the girls, I know,
not everyone is going for this crazy bimbo super curvy look. However,
I think the girls who are mainly making a career
for themselves based on Instagram and views and just purely
putting that into their OnlyFans, I think they are going
for the bigger look because if you're scrolling, that's the

(28:38):
thing that's going to stop.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Okay, you know so? And then who in the industry
who makes more money? Right at the end of the day.
Nobody's doing this, I assume because it's it's a hobby
of mine. You do it as a profession to generate money,
which then allows you to do the things you want
to do. So do you think the crazy BIMBOI curvy,
big boob, huge, you know, get done crazy look, that

(29:01):
girl is going to make more money or the girl
next door normal?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Now, if you're if you have an OnlyFans and you're
trying to make money, it has really little with how
you look, it's a lot about your personality and what
you do to go viral. Right, Like I went viral
for saying that I'd make a sex tape when I
got a million subscribers on YouTube. This is twenty seventeen. Okay,

(29:26):
there would not be a story now, but I went
viral at the time for it. Now there are girls
saying that they're going to have sex with one thousand
men in one day to go viral. So now it's like,
what's the one up story to get the attempt?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
So it isn't that necessarily the people who are success
to people that are successful in pornography or adult them
are necessarily a look is what's making them successful? You're
going to you're saying the curvy one successful, the one
that It's not that. What successful is how what triggered
their fan base? So what is the largest platform in

(29:59):
terms of in terms of the adult content receiving? Is
it only fans? Is that the place where most people are?
Is it actually traditional porn hub kind of thing? Is it?
Where is where is it attained? Because we never had
so many streaming like before it was like you go
to a videotape store and you get a video tape,

(30:20):
then it became this then and then the internet. So
where is where do where is the ideal Where are
all the places in the ideal place for industry?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I think what most people are doing is trying to
use all the other platforms, including pornhub, because pornhob has
a lot of traffic to lead back to their only fans.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Their only fans, because they monetize the most in that
they have the greatest control over that. Is that why
no one takes a cut kind of a thing?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
No, they take a cut. I mean the website charges
you to be on their platform. It's a twenty percent cut,
but you you just want the subscribers to pay to
you versus you going and shooting for a company and
getting that flat ray and then you never make any
money off of it. Right, So, like, even though pornhub
is a free plot form, if girls are using it
in a smart way, they're just using.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
It to traffic just be out in places, and so
there isn't necessarily an ideal places. And then yeah, you're right,
because I think when you scroll through Instagram, it's really
the curvacious ones that have one hundred and fifty thousand
likes per post. Nobody gets a one hundred and fifty
thousand likes for drinking, you know, a glass of champagne.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
And I think that's where the one upping and like
just going bigger and bigger and bigger on implants or
bbls come.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
That's what I was thinking, is the only way to
be successful today, because that's why I'm that listen. It's
a visual thing, and that's what catches your attention, that
gets the likes, that gets the blah blah blah advertising.
So that's why I was saying, I'm surprised that let's
say you started earlier before that, so you have a
sort of a little bit of a head start. But
a young girl that's starting now, is she going to

(31:55):
have to go and get bigger, bigger boobs and big
curvy because and then or not really that exciting anymore
because there's three hundred and fifty million of those girls.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
It all depends on how she gets popular, right, Like
if she decides to be a streamer. Streaming is big now,
and like you know, there's just so many big platforms
on there. If she just works with one streamer one
time and she gets known in this space, and then
all of a sudden she's popular, and then a lot
of girls are just like planting stories about themselves and

(32:25):
some of them might be sure, some of them might
not be true, but it doesn't matter because if people
are talking about it, then they're just going back to
this girl's only fancy.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, And then how much of it? What's going on
with AI and changing the What are your thoughts on
the AI? And let me back up with that before
I get to AI. What percentage of girls actually looked
the way they look when they so? Obviously, you can
photoshop the shit out of anything you want, I mean literally,
you can make yourself into Jessica Rabbit if you want.

(32:52):
So with still photos you can change everyone's filtered, their face,
everyone's feeling. But you do video content, can you, And
but that can also be photoshopped or whatever, manipulated or morphed.
How much of that plays into adult now? Adult film now?
Back in the day, it was nothing. Whatever you saw
is what you got. Now.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I don't know if there's like body modification happening in film.
I'm sure they're smoothing, but mostly just lighting right, you
light everything in a way so that there's not a
lot to do in post production. But recently I've noticed
with my audience, they've asked, you know, can you do
a video? Or we're not wearing any makeup. They're just like,
I think there's a craving for the natural or the

(33:36):
realness where you like could just have been their girlfriend
and you come. You know, it's like if it seems
too unattainable, then it's not as attractive to some people interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
So it's not as if it's too polished, it's not realistic.
But you don't think that, Like you don't go to
a shoot and be like, oh my god, that's Susie Kay.
We shouldn't look anything like her photos, because I would
imagine because I see people come in my office all
the time, right.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
So it happens.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I don't have a ton of industry people, right. It
just isn't the makeup of our practice. As I said
when I started the first thing, I said, when we
started the episodes, you're very picky, so your pickiness trumped
and you're successful, so you make enough money or whatever.
But our practice isn't. Really we don't. We don't. I don't.
I don't think I've had three OnlyFans patients in my
whole life. I know other practices, their whole practice is

(34:22):
only fans. So I don't know, but I wonder, you
know if if in general, with these fates, the girls
like what that come in and I'm like, oh wait,
you don't look anything like your images? So what percent
is that not happening? That's not a huge it's not

(34:43):
a huge part of it. Then that they show up
and you're like, oh wow, everything's fake now, Like, you
don't even have to be that way. I'll give you
an example. My wife used to be was a model
at some period of time. She's like, if you showed
up to a casting and you were not identical to
your photo, they kick you out.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
That's crazy though, because in most of the photos the
girls are wearing makeup and they're well, doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
You need to be skinny, tall, no celluli, no acne.
You have to be your image. You can't like nowadays,
you don't even have to mean whatever version, you just
alter everything. So is that not a huge game changer
in the industry where people are no longer like you
kill yourself to be skinny, in shape and fit, so
you show up as the person that it needs to
so there isn't much manipulation.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
It just depends. It's like if you're booking someone through
their agent, their agent has the set of you know,
photos of the girl. She's you know, naked from the front, back, whatever,
and let's say she was one hundred and ten pounds,
and then you walk on set and you're not the same,
and you're one hundred and forty pounds. You know, when
you walk on set. I'm sure that sometimes girls have
gone turned away. I don't know how often that's actually happening,

(35:42):
but you know, for me, I work with girls and
I usually am finding them on Instagram and sometimes my
husband will send me a girl and I'm like, that
is not herre's a I know what a filtered video
looks like, but he as a meal does not right.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Well, well, i mean that's exactly where I'm getting at,
because we're looking at images and they're not that's not her.
But I'm wondering when you get into translate into doing
videos and things, well then it needs to be her
or now within videos they can even alter that.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I'm sure that some girls are doing that on their own,
only fans taking the time to modify the video personally,
I'm not right. It's way too much work. But I
just choose not to work with those girls sure, because
I'm like, I want to know what you look like
before you come, right.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
And then what do you think is going to happen
with AI? Because now they're doing AI models, right, So
you look at it, you look on Instagram and you're
I've seen the ads for it. They're like, are you
using models to sell your products? Are you paying them
hours and out? And of do you have to worry
about over time? Why don't you use one of our
AI models? And you're like, she's fucking hot, yeah, and
she's perfect, and it's an AI model. It's just some

(36:47):
bullshit ass generated thing. What are your thoughts on that?
I mean, you're sort of you know, you've been in
the industry for a while, but what do you think
Because AI is affecting everything, right, It's impacting grocery sales,
it's impacting medicine. Interness may be gone.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I know that a lot of girls, myself included, have
been approached like do you want to use an AI
version of yourself? So I actually have like an AI
that you can subscribe to and talk to, and she
talks like me, and she looks like me. You know,
so there's a lot of embracing going on from the
you know, content creator perspective. I don't know of any
companies like deciding not to hire a model because they're

(37:28):
using AI right now. I'm sure at some point it
might move towards that.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, I'm just's that's I'm wondering how that's going to
impact the industry, because ultimately, it's a visual thing, right
You're creating an image and then creating a persona. I mean,
AI now is machine learning. I mean I think there
would be an environment. I mean, you see ex Machina.
Did you ever see that movie X Machina?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
No, I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
X mackin is about a robot who's like, she's pretty hot. Yeah,
I mean, and it's just a robot that becomes like
this guy's lover kind of thing. It's just crazy. I
don't think we're too far from it. To be honest
with you, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
I won't exist in ten years.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
You and I will just well, I think they'll still
have to operate. Yeah, but like in turn is so
be gone, you'll just tell that, You'll just tell AI
I've had diarrhea for two days. I was in the congo.
I take this medication. I'm thirty eight years old. Here's
a picture of the rash on my arm. What do
I have? You have gone a rhea?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Like I tell Chat every day, I'm like, this is
like do this, do this, do this?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, okay, So I'm trying to think of I have
a million and one questions that aren't really plastic surgery related.
That's the thing. I think everybody is so fascinated. And
then on the biggest platform by far right now is
only fans. Wouldn't you say that has the largest number of.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
People outside I mean, I think maybe less than pornup.
I think pornup is one of the most, like the
top ten websites in the world. But as far as
like where creators are signing.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Content to, Yeah, you make your content, and then where
do you distribute it? Wor only fans, not only fans,
that's the only place you put it on.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
But sometimes I upload like teasers to lead back to
my only fans on.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Porn of God. So I've there's no admission to make
any of it. I've never been on it, so I
don't know anything about it. What are you allowed and
not allowed to do? In terms of it? Is only
Fans just another porn hump except it's through Instagram. Is
it direlated to Instagram?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
No, Only Fans is its own website. It's it's not
in the app store because it's eighteen plus and you
can't be in the app store. You upload to it
like you're uploading to a YouTube channel. However, what you're
allowed and not allowed to do is dictated by the
credit card companies who do the processing on these realms. Yes,
so that's.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
So interesting that it's not the only fans that's regulating,
it's the credit card company. Yeah, so what are they like, MasterCard, Visa, Yeah,
they have.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Their own Apple pay the rules. I don't know if
Applepey gets processed on there. But it's like you have
to adhere to what the credit card buties want to
do because if you can't use the credit cards, then
you're screwed. But it's like, you know, no pea stuff, right,
So then okay, square is it pee? Is it square?
What is it like?

Speaker 1 (40:09):
You have to what are so? Why would they give
a shit? I do? I understand You're you're allowed to
have traditional pornography on there. That's because I remember at
the beginning they're like, oh, it's soft porn. No, it's porn.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
No, it's it's porn. It's full porn. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
But then they say within the full porn, you can't
have pea stuff, but you can have like right, they
have these nuances.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
There's a lot of rules. It's like no true public sex.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Right, Like you can't be outdoors like in a park.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, okay, there's a lot of rules.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
For example, I used to have videos where milk would
be coming out of my breast because I was blactating,
and now you cannot have anything with lactation.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
So that's on there there. It's like no milk, like no, yeah,
no lactation.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
So you have to go under the terms of service
because if you put something that they're not you're not
allowed to put up, they'll either remove the video or
with you.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Oh, they may remove it. You might get actually like
x stout. Yeah, it wouldn't be like, hey, that you
didn't like, wouldn't be a slap on.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
The I guess it depends on how great strips it
was like an accident, you know, And I mean it
could even be things like, you know, if you upload
with a bunch of copyright music in the background, you know,
there's not just like don't want to be sued, or
if you know you're doing a scene and you don't realize,
like your cat ran through the back because you're not
allowed to have animals on only fans, you know, because

(41:26):
then I might consider bestiality just because your cat ran
through the back. You know. It's just like they're overly
cautious because as a platform, they don't want to get
shut down.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Well, yeah, they're It's okay, I get it. So that's
so that that I I didn't realize that, but that
you would only know if you were sitting there doing
the logistics of how to run it. Yeah, that's very interesting.
I know that everyone in the whose editing is sitting
here going, God, I have not fucking twelve questions. Why
don't you text me some questions? I know you guys,
this is a very unique opportunity to ask her. And

(41:56):
she's so articulate and so poisoned well, and it's actually
like nervous.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Because I'm like, I'm speaking on the whole industry. I
hope all my answers correct.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Your answers are correct, and actually the fact that you
were able to articulate. I don't think people, I'll tell
you this much. I don't think people who listen and
or watch this episode. I think they're gonna be like, huh,
I wouldn't have put two and two together because I
would tell you that ninety nine percent myself included. You

(42:25):
say pornography, I have a thought.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
We're drug addicts. We're living under the highway.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
You're married. You're married, Yes, you have a child? Yes? Right?

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Like what the like, I have a degree, I have
a great relationship.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
With my family, like your husband and you are like tight, Yeah,
he's involved in your work.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, it works together. I mean we have a podcast
together where we have a guest on and we interview
her and then we have sex at the end. So
it's like a real porn podcast.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
But this and people are like, you met your husband inborn.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I met him like right before I started.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
But he came in with you. It wasn't like he
was a he's an accountant. No, and you're doing pornography,
and he's like totally, like you have to be in
the industry.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
He was a YouTuber and a podcaster at the time,
and I was just a girl who had fifty thousand
followers on Instagram and was like, what am I going
to do with this? And that's kind of you know.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
And then question for you what percentage of the people
in porn are married?

Speaker 2 (43:23):
So many I mean maybe not married married, but like
in serious long term relationships, I would say like seventy
or eighty, especially now with the only fans, girls who
they don't have to shoot with anyone but their partner.
You know, they might have like a prop penis, but
you and you don't know that the girls actually married
to him and he's pretending to be the Uber driver
and the FedEx guy, but it's all the same guy.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
You know, He's always the same guy. So for some
girls that's like a sex tape of them and their partner.
But it's not only fans. Yeah. And then of the
people that are not their husbands, what percentage of the
people that are married or in relationships are those partners
in porn? In other words, what I'm saying is how
often is it that like a regular dude and a

(44:05):
woman who's in pornography or vice versa, there's a guy
who's in pornography and his wife's just a regular dude,
Like I.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Would say, it's it could be fifty to fifty honest, really, yeah,
I don't think that most girls aren't necessarily married to performers.
I think sometimes it might be the lightning guy or whatever,
but they maybe they met in the industry. But maybe
the other guy's not a performer, but maybe he's just
like a carpenter, like a regular dude.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
How many percentage of them have nothing to do with
the industry. The reason why I'm asking, I don't know
all their husbands, so I can't know that. Very true,
Very no. I'm asking you questions that obviously you don't
have an answer to it, and it's not specific. The
reason why I ask is I'm chasing down the thought
processes that people have, right, which is, if you're in pornography,
right then you can't sort of parallel the normal reality,

(44:47):
which is I have a husband and he happens to
be an accountant. My kids are great, they go to
school with some other people, and this is my job.
That's not how people force like, at least historically, I
think only fans is Obviously, change is a game changer,
because now you're going to all these a lot more
people in it because I think the bearer of entry
is easier, right, exactly right. So it wasn't suddenly it

(45:08):
became like like different. It's still the same industry. It's
just it's easier to get involved now. But I don't
I think that ninety nine percent of people have a
very very specific thought process, and whether it's the way
people look their lifestyle, the things they do, et cetera.
And I think you really are the actual one eighty
two that in regards to the way you present you

(45:30):
have You're not filled like a duck, your breast aren't ginormous.
It just you can articulate very straightforwards. You're not tattooed
from head to toe. There's all these sort of phenomenon
that you think. And then you're married and have a
daughter and I actually met your mom and it's just like, yeah,
it's all regular, except oh yeah, this is what I
do for a living.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
That's really what it's like. I mean, I would say
it's I was describing as someone else the other day,
like it's almost like I'm playing like a character online.
And then I go back to my regular life where
I'm just a regular person.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
And what about your friends. Are your friends predominantly in
industry or out an industry?

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I would say mostly in the industry, just because.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
I'm so do you find it when you're having conversations
with just you're at a dinner party and you meet people, Okay, Hi,
you doing? You are very comfortable with it, which makes
us comfortable with it. The more uncomfortable you are. It's
like if you if you didn't do anything wrong, then
what's right kind of a thing. So when you're comfortable
with it, I can tell you it makes other people

(46:31):
comfortable with it because it's like, and what's You're like?
It's like I went in there and stole something or
killed or killed a small child. It's like whatever. But
I imagine that the conversation with other people. I would think
that most people stay within their own the MILLIU.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, it's hard. It's like now I'm a mom and
my daughters in school, so I do worry about you know,
I want her to go to private school, Like how
is this going to go?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Right?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah? I don't ask questions because I don't want I
would say it, oh mom, okay, Like I don't know,
I don't know how I'm gonna move around in this space.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
But yeah, that'll be interesting. I think that'll be an
interesting phase for you. And what do you And then
with your daughter right now, she's how old? She's four four? Okay,
so she's almost the same age as my son when
she becomes ten to eleven and she starts to recognize
these things and starts to understand what is your dialogue
with her? Obviously you're proud, you don't have anything to

(47:28):
hide you And would it is it? Would you be
would you be cool if your daughter decided to do that,
if she went into industry.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Have you thought about it?

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I've thought about it a little bit, and I think
the things that I've thought about that make me want
her not to do it, or more like, how it's
affected my body image and the fact that I'm constantly
thinking about my appearance.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
I can tell you right now, as a very well
respected plastic surgeon, your body image is no different than
the average person's body sash. So I don't think your
body image if you came in here and you were
more of a classic humongous breast and you're at like
seven hundred ccas you're like, I don't know, doctor bond,
I think I need to go a little bigger. I
would tell you that you skewed past eight. There's no

(48:15):
such thing as normal, but out of the range of
two standard deviations. In other words, if right now your
lips were humongous, if anything, you look you're less done.
So the fact that you look at yourself and you're like, god,
I don't know, I have a wrinkle here, whatever, that's
just because you're critical, but I don't know. I don't.
To me, your body image is not out of norm

(48:35):
such that it's Oh, it's because you're in the industry,
and if you were not in the industry, you would
be much more.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
My baseline is just so different, though, because I grew
up here in Glendelle amongst a bunch of Armenion women,
and obviously, as an Armenian woman, you body modify, you
do makeup, your hair's always done, you're getting design or whatever.
And I think I was I was trying to be
anti that my whole life, and then I went to
college and I didn't shave, I didn't wear makeup. I
was I was just trying to not look at myself

(49:03):
in that way. And then now I've like I moved
back to la and I'm like, gotten all this plastic
surgery and I'm concerned with my appearance. So for me,
it feels like more than I would like to be
doing because I think that it's not really in line
with my values. Like I want to raise my daughter,
like she lives in the middle of nowhere in Montana
and I care about lip filler.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
I get that a one hundred percent. And I think
that's a struggle that's no different than the struggle we
have with our children, which is we want them not
to become lost in the superficiality of today's world. Yeah,
but specifically the other aspects of the industry, and if
your daughter wanted to do it, Like, for example, you

(49:44):
and I talked about STDs. You're like, do we get
tested every day?

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Like every two weeks we get tested. I mean for me,
it's different. It's like I've I've only ever slept with
my husband and two other men in ten years, and
then I slept with women, and the obviously the risk
of getting something from a woman's just like a little
bit less.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Right, So STDs is a concern. You're like, oh, what
about your daughter? Then the idea of you have managed
it psychologically very well. In other words, you're able to
compartmentalize it. To me, you don't seem disassociated, right, there's
this idea of disassociation, like I'm talking to you, but
you're really not here, because this is such an unusual

(50:25):
experience for us that you have to dissociate from yourself.
You're like a regular. Hey, how's it going? Totally normal?
Maybe your daughter won't have that psychologic capacity, and what
if she went into it and whatever. That's the things
that I think. I wonder if you'll want your daughter
to it, because do you think all the girls that
you interact with are managing it as well as you do?
Do you think because you're doing it ultimately fiscally right,

(50:46):
it makes a good living.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I think my initial interest was the freedom financially and
with my time as well. Was working for someone ten
hours a day behind a dusk, and I was not
making very much money, and I was unhappy. And now
I take my schedule. I work three days a week,
and I take like random selling classes, and I have
a garden, like I can do whatever I want with
my time, and I can take two vacations.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Money. Initially, that's what you wanted to do. But now.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Now, now, obviously financial is like financially and like I
already made the mistake by everyone's standards, right, Like it's
all online. I can't go back, right, So this as
far as it goes.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
So I might as well make the most of it. Yes,
So let's say you win the lottery tomorrow, you have shit,
I don't know more money than god. Are you out tomorrow?
I think so tomorrow? Like I think, is there anything
about it that you enjoy other than the fact that it,
for it makes a ton of money and you don't
have to work that hard.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I mean, I have fun. I have fun when I'm
having sex with other people, so it is enjoyable. Yes,
it's enjoyable. And then I think, for me, since I
do a podcast, like last week, I did a podcast,
two podcasts with couples and then they did a scene
after and it was just like learning about other people's
real relationship dynamics and the psychology behind all of that.
Like I had fun doing that, right, But if I had,

(52:05):
like you know, right now, it's like you're grinding out
a certain amount of scenes every month, And if I
didn't have to worry about hitting a quota or whatever
that would be also be nice.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, but you wouldn't necessarily just bow out no.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
And I also, I'm in an interesting position where I'm
considered sort of like an influencer in the space where
I have, you know, I have my audience that is
not watching me for porn. They're watching me just because
they like me, and they've been following me for ten
years and my relationship and my whole trajectory. So then
I can sort of lean into that if I really want.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
It, right, okay, and it's it's interesting to see if.
And then the other girls that you interact with, do
you find that they're pretty well adjusted or do you
think they're unhappy? Do you think because for a person
who's not for a person who in whom their sexuality
is more traditional, like I have my intimate partners, it's private.

(52:53):
I like to keep this inside of me. I don't like,
I don't want anyone watching me right they would think
that that it's if I had to do it, I
would be uncomfortable. It would weigh heavy on me. I
think you understand what I mean. So I wonder are
there other girls. I'll give you an example. It's totally
different prostitution, for example, Like the girls are doing it
for money. They don't want to be doing it. They're

(53:15):
doing it, they're making money, but you can tell they're unhappy, right,
They're like like if you sat down and talked to them,
they're carrying a heavy bird enough. So I'm wondering how
many people in the porn industry are not just so
as well adjusted as you and like, hey, I'm totally fine,
my husband.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
My kids. I honestly think that the girls that I
know are all happy to be doing what they're doing,
and they're well adjusted, because I think if they weren't,
they wouldn't make it. You know, they'd be out after
a few scenes or whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
It's just you think anyone who makes it long enough
can only make it if they've adjusted to it, because
you can't, can't you can't you certainly it's like I can't.
I couldn't do this more than a few times.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, I mean I think that girl. There are girls
who have come in and left and then said I
wish I didn't do or whatever, and that's why they left.
But and I'm sure there's some girls who maybe do
want to leave or they're sick of it and whatever.
But I think most of the girls that I know
are happy. They enjoy their job, and they're excited to
be there.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Okay, well that's an interest that's very fascinating. And I
think those were all I think all these things that
I asked you or I think are not what one
would think. Yeah, does that? Does that make sense? Like
they wouldn't think all these things. You think all these
people are all miserable, but they have no choice because
they need the money. It's like, no, actually, we enjoyed
doing it. It's it's it's it's its own thing. So

(54:32):
I could ask you one hundred more million questions, but
we're already almost at the hour mark. And I really appreciated.
I appreciate your your transparency, candor, and easiness of your
own subject matter. I think that when you do something
in life, whatever it is, you hope to do it
in a way that, aside from being excellent at it
and you're proud of it, whatever, that you can communicate

(54:54):
what you're doing in such a way that other people
are like, they can ask you anything and feel fascinated
about it. Because the truth is, it's like if you
have a daughter and you're going about you want to
feel proud of what you're doing. You shouldn't feel shame
about it. And when you don't feel any shame, you're
able to communicate it. It's like, if anyone want to
ask me a question about plastic surgery, I'd have zero
hesitation about talking about. Oh, but you're altering people's images

(55:16):
and they should love themselves. I have no issue talking
about any of that stuff because I genuinely believe I'm
doing something I like and it's good and whatever. So
you do an amazing job of articulating that.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Any other what is it?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Is there anything else that you think people misunderstand about
adult film individuals? Is there anything else that you think
is like I think we touched on a lot of
things that are miss misunderstood. Is there any anything else
that you commonly hear that's not accurate, like, for example,
and this would be a last, people assume that I'm

(55:48):
a plastic surgeon. I'm gonna be sleazy and I'm all
about money, like, oh, I probably drive it for Lamborghini,
and I just think I'm hotter than shit, and I'm
not right, and that just isn't true. Isn't true? I
don't give a shit about your money. I have the
highest level ethics and morality and I could care. No
one will care more of you than me when you duation.
So it's not true, but that is a stereotype that

(56:11):
is associated with plastic surgery. Is there anything else about you?
One last thing that you people should know about you
that you're like, that's like, oh, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
That's very about me.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Be in the industry.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Oh, I mean, I feel like with the industry, the
one I hear the most is just like they must
all be drug addicts and just I I'm sure there
are girls who do drugs, but I just like, we're
not around drugs all the time. If you come to
set and you even seemed slight like there was slightly
anything up with you, you're out there, you know, it's like,

(56:41):
we don't mess around with.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Us, right, So it's a highly professional group of people.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
And we care because we care about consent. We care
about making sure that everything was done consensually. So no,
we do not mess around with that. So I just,
you know, hear the drug thing. And obviously there's people
who drugs in every industry.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
I'm sure. Yeah, I mean there's guys that. I mean,
every year there's a doctor who will die in the
operating room inhaling some anesthetic or shooting himself up with
some propofol. So can't get any worse than that. Well,
I think that was an amazing episode. We're so grateful,
thank you for coming. And yeah, that's very fucking cool.
All right, guys, that's yet another episode of plastic surgery

(57:19):
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(57:40):
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