June 24, 2020 • 30 mins
Terrel Barros and his friends thought they were just going out clubbing until a tragic encounter changed all that. Then, authorities compounded that tragedy by sending an innocent man to prison and setting the confessed killer free.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
August twenty six, twenty twelve, started off as a relatively
normal night. Terrell Barrows was at Monet Lounge in Providence,
Rhode Island, with Stephan Boden and some other friends, and
disagreement ensued between Stephan and two other clubgoers, Rokeem Henley
and Jamal Cruz, but the tension didn't boil over until
later in the parking lot. See Stephan Boden wanted his
(00:25):
cigarettes and he would ask Torell for his car keys
because that's where they were, so he left ahead of
the group, and as fate would have it, who was
parked right next to Terrell, but Jamal and Rokeem, who
were now ominously approaching. Terrell and the rest of his
friends though, were just arriving on the scene and trying
to avoid the drama, so Terrell made for the driver's
(00:46):
side door, and then gunshots. Terrell quickly ducked into the
driver's seat and Stephan bod jumped into the passenger side.
Seconds later, the cops were at the car and they
saw Stephan trying to hide the gun. Stephen confessed on
the spot to the shooting as both men were cuffed.
An intoxicated and mortally wounded. Jamal Cruz had put his
(01:10):
head down when shown Terrell, a far cry from an identification,
but that didn't stop a detective from testifying a trial
about a quote unquote dying declaration. The state even ignored
Stefan Boden's immediate and uncoerced confession, forging blindly ahead to
ultimately send Torell to prison, where he remains to this day,
(01:33):
serving two consecutive life sentences plus thirty years. This is
Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flamm. Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction
with Jason Flamm. Today we're going to be discussing the
(01:56):
really troubling case of Terrell Barrows, who was awfully convicted
of a shooting in which one person was killed and
another was badly injured. And with us today we have
a student at Georgetown who's been doing incredible work investigating
his case under the leadership of my friend, Professor Mark Howard.
So Nurgena Hendy, Welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
To the show, Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
The Georgetown class that Nurgenna is a student in is
taught by Mark Howard and a name that you'll recognize
from being on our show more than once. Marty Tankleff,
and of course, this class was directly responsible for the
exoneration of Valentino Dixon. If you haven't heard his episode,
please go back and listen to it. It's extraordinary. So
(02:41):
we hope to be hearing from Terrell Barrows very soon.
Of course, in this COVID time that we're in, it's
very hard to get to the phones in prison, but
we will be discussing his case and hopefully hearing from
him as the podcast progresses. So let's go back to
two twelve.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Back in August of twenty twelve, Terrell Barrows and a
group of friends headed out to Monet Lounge in Providence,
Rhode Island. While they're in the club, there's some sort
of verbal altercation between Terrell's group and a couple of
members of another group, including the two that got shot.
One was Rokim Henley, who got shot in the leg
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and who I spoke with a couple of times over
the past few months, and then Jamal Cruz who ended
up dying that night. But Terrell wasn't a part of
that verbal altercation. It was Stephanboden who was and so
a name was called someone's hat got tapped off their
head and then no one really stays.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
There's not a physical altercation at all.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Later on in the night, Stefan Boden asked Terrell, he goes, hey,
let me get the tack to go get your car keys.
So as he's heading over, there is another car that
is parked bumper to bumper with Terrell's car, and it
just happens to be the car of Jamal Cruz. Stephen
thought that Jamal and Roekeim were coming to cause problems
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when reality they were just walking to their car. Stefan
grabs the gun and you know, witnesses say he told
them don't come any closer. And at this point Terrell
starts heading over to his car with his group of friends.
Terrell is about ten to fifteen feet away from Steffan
Bowden and Jamal Cruz, which is where all eyewitnesses placed
(04:27):
him as well, and he's actually walking to get to
the other side of his car to hop in the
driver's seat because he knows that there's trouble about to
happen he doesn't want to be a part of it.
He hears two gun shots, he jumps into the driver's
seat and almost immediately Stephan jumps into the passenger seat,
and the cops are there to arrest them.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And there's more to this too, because when Stephan jumped
into the passenger seat, he had it sort of a
moment of self awareness right where he started apologizing to
Terrell for sort of involving him in this.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
At this point, the arresting officers are on either side
and the gun is still with Stephan Bowden. He is
caught concealing the gun in the passenger side door, and
Stepan actually confesses on the scene.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
He said it's me. It's all me, It's all mine.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yet they are both arrested, taken to a paddy wagon,
and then there's a show up that is done. Now
they spoke with a couple of jury members who told
me this is what caused us to believe Terrell is guilty.
So in the show ups, they bring Stephan over to Jamal,
who was in critical condition on the floor, extremely intoxicated,
(05:41):
and they say, is this the man that shot you?
And Jamal looks away. Apparently when they bring over Terrell,
Detective Matrasia says, Jamal.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Nods, that's what they say he did. It doesn't matter
if he nodded or not. He was in no position
to make any identification of anyone, and we still don't
know if he did. It's not like he stuck his
finger out and went, yeah, that's the guy who shot me,
and he's out right, that's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
They actually did not even do a show up identification
with the other guy, Rokeim Henley, who was shot and
he was not in critical condition.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
They also didn't bother to swab the hands of either
Terrell or Stephan, right, that would be so critical to
figuring out who did or did not commit this horrible crime.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And Jason, I think it was clear to arresting officers
this had to have been Stephan. It was in his hand,
he confesses. That's probably why they didn't even swab their hands.
And then you know, somehow the story gets twisted and
it's now in Terrell because of what they call a
dying declaration.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Terrell Owis says, he goes, there were two.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Lives lost that night, Mine and Jamal Cruz, and I
feel bad because Jamal Cruz didn't get justice.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
This is a free call from Roe and inmate at
Maximum Security facility. Thank you for using securists. You may
start the conversation. Now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I love Heyterrell, thanks for calling in. I know we
have limited time, so let would get right to it.
Can you take us back to the awful night of
this crime and give us your perspective having lived through
this night, mayor yourself.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, back at that night, the two dudes approached. You know,
we're talking to Stephan about something. The problem wasn't with me,
so you went outside in the front of the club.
Stephanim one of my keys to go get it a cigarettes.
So when we go to the PA, the two dudes approaching.
So I see them two dudes. Oh my god, man,
here we go. So I turned around to go with
jobside and the car, and I hear shots. So I
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just run into my car, just got run to my pa.
Pop is like he had the gun on me, and
put your hands on stading wheel. I put my hands
on stading whil and he keeps on saying it but
he's talking to stuff, and so he puts his hands
on the standing wheel and he's like, yo, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I love you, I love you. The police
officers hot and up and he's like, oh yo, the passions.
(08:08):
He's got the gun. So as soon as he opens
up the door, Stephan says, it's me. It's all me,
It's all mine. He's like it's shoot. He's like, yeah,
it's me. So when he took him out, he's already
han't come from the other cop that had the gun
on us. He comes, he flashed the cuffs on the wrist,
my wrists and slings me on the floor. Brings it
back to the paddy wagon. There's a guy that was shot.
(08:30):
I didn't know no one was shot. I could see
blood every this dude's hurt. So this dude shot in
the chest, and this dude's like doing a show up
with this guy shot in the chest, asking him this
shin the sin the shim. The guy just looked at
me and puts his head down. He ain't saying nothing.
He didn't do nothing. He ain't saying nothing. He just
put his head down. So then they had put me
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back into paddy wagon. They bring me back to the station.
When they bring back to the station, you know they
do the mob shot the fingerprints. Whether they got me
to a room with two detectives. I asked for my
lawyer to touch his Angelo Levon was the lead to
He was the one that questioned me the first time
in the first night. So he's like, oh, you know
he wants cigarette. You want a cigarett.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I'm like no.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
He's like, you want water. I'm like no, and he
catched on, chya talk to me, and I'm like, I
want my lawyer. I want my lawyer. I want my lawyer.
So he leaves the room and he comes back and
he brings back to holding himself. So it's one of
the times I'm like, yo, I'm banging on the door.
Cop comes. He's like, what you're banging on. I'm like,
I want my phone call. He's like phone call. I'm
(09:31):
like yeah, He's like, are you getting plenty phone calls?
Were aure going. I'm like, where am I going. He's like,
you're gonna chill? What the hell? They bring me in
the bus. They chanceport me there and I find out
Monday the raiment that I'm getting charged with murder. I
go up into the court room, had to split up.
Stephan was on the west sides on the right side.
(09:52):
So they reach Steff in his charges seventh bolroom possessing
a firearm and that was that and he goes with
Terrell Barrows first degree heard them, Paul showing everything I love.
I did not do it. He admitted it on the
scene for the p that's the power. I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I don't understand it either, because it should have been
over right then and there, throw the phone, Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
The caller has hung up.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I have never and may never again hear of a
case in which the actual shooter skates on the charges
after confessing on the scene. Right, I mean, at that point,
this should be a very short podcast. That should be
the end of it. I mean, this would be funny,
except it's so freaking serious, right, And this is this
(10:59):
is the system that we all rely on day in
and day out. I'd like to believe that we have
people who are doing the job that they're paid to do.
But in this case, it's absolutely true. It failed society,
it failed the victim, It failed to rell, and that's
what we're here to talk about. And then it gets
weirder because then you start with the eyewitness. The only
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eyewitness is a guy named Gregory's or Obedient, and he
initially claims he didn't see the shooting, and then changed
his testimony six days before the trial to say he
saw Torell do it. We have a document signed by
the assist Attorney General promising not to charge him for
perjury should he alter his testimony. That's maybe just a
little bit of a red flag there. Now get this, Okay,
(11:42):
this Gregory's or obedient guy had, well, let's just call
it an extensive criminal history. But that might not even
be doing a justice. So his rap sheet went back
thirty years. It included convictions not arrest, convictions for living
off the earnings of a prostitute, grand larson, d ui
causing death, cocaine possession, burglary, theft, escape, and that's just
(12:07):
the beginning. So do we think that after doing all
these other things he's done, he might be willing to
lie in exchange for a deal. I would say that's
a pretty good likelihood. And then let's get to Detective
Charles Mtrasia. Do you want to take that one, Jenna.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
He was actually the one who claims that he saw
Jamal cruz Nod. When they brought over Terrell, I asked herra,
I said, yo, were you watching Jamal? He said yeah,
I was watching him. I said, did he not? He
said no, he didn't do anything. So whether he did
or did not is another story. But again, Jamal Cruz
was under the influence of alcohol. He had a BAC
of point one six', two which seems like a lot
(12:43):
until we look At, rokin who had to.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Actually HIRE bac as.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well and then Both Stephan andterrell were wearing WHITE t
shirts and darker. Pants out of the group That terrell was,
in he was not the only one with two long black.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Braids he just. Wasn't it was a. Style if you
look at the pictures.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Of his friend, group he's not the only one with
two long black. Braids and so out of a group
of people wearing white, shirts dark, pants two long black,
braids you're dying on the. Floor And Detective matrasia, says,
yeah he nodded when we brought Over. TERRELL i, mean
how unreal could that? Be and so now we're moving
INTO gsr.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
TESTING gsr stands for gunshot, residue.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yep and there are three particles of gunshot residue that
they test for when they're looking at. Clothing so When
Stephan andterrell were initially, Arrested stefan was pulled out of
the car and he was slammed against the side of the.
Car When terrell was, arrested he was pulled out of
the car and slammed to the, ground so he actually had.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Some dirt on his white shirt in a specific.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Area what they initially test was the chest area of
Both terrell and Of stephan because the theory is if
someone is a shooter and they hold the gun right,
ahead that the gunshot residue will recoil and hit them
in the chest. Area so they talk about stuff and they, go,
well we found lead on stuffan and they, say, well
(14:09):
you also found lead On. Terrell So terrell whispers to
his attorney ask if they happened to find.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
The lead where my shirt was.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Dirty they said, Yes so it makes sense that that's
the only place on his clothing where they found. Lead
so this is all the information they had in terms
OF gsr at, trial but there is MORE gsr evidence to,
come which is part of what we are motioning for
with the new hearing coming.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Up, well we're on, initials, Right we'll go FROM gsr TO,
dna and THE dna report Excluded terrell from having held the.
Gun so let's touch for a second on THE dna
expert for the, state who we know was, WELL i,
mean most, unfortunately quote unquote experts are pro. Prosecution in,
fact the whole system is pro. Prosecution over eighty percent
(14:56):
of judges are former. Prosecutors so throughout the process there's
a tilt towards, prosecution and the experts that you're seeing
may not be objective at. All and this is one
of those cases WHERE i think that there's a strong
argument to that. Effect, So, ujena can you talk about?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That, Yeah Kara lupino gave extremely pro prosecution. Testimony in
the way that she had presented. It the attorney would
ask a question the, prosecutor she would respond and say,
yes And torell was. Included and then you all of
a sudden get to the very very very end and
they really quickly sneak in a couple of lines Of
terrell was excluded And Stefan BODEN'S dna could not be.
(15:36):
Excluded so When i'm talking to the, juror she, GOES
i don't even really remember him being. Excluded it was so.
Confusing there were a lot of numbers thrown. Out terrell
seemed to be included in almost every mixture that they're talking.
About it's absolutely, insane and IF i was in the,
JURY i would have thought the same.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Thing the state's witness essentially muddy the waters of what
was a pretty cut and DRY dna report that Excluded
torell from having ever held the. Gun but then There's Rokeem,
henley the other guy who got shot that. Night his,
testimony along with the ballistic evidence known at the time of,
trial make it an actual impossibility That terrell could have
(16:19):
been the.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Shooter he does, testify and WHEN i asked him the
same question WHEN i met with, him he, said the
only person standing close To Jamal cruz Was Stefan.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Bodden SO i, said here's the.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Discrepancy did you see who shot?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You he said.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
NO i, said, okay, well ballistic evidence proves that the
shot was made from near contact to eighteen inches, away
and you are telling me that the only person standing
near contact to eighteen inches away From Jamal cruz Was Stefan.
Bodden he, said, yes BUT i didn't see him shoot the.
(16:59):
Gun it's kind of a confusing. Testimony you don't see
stuff and do, it but you also claim you did
not See terrell. Outside you don't know Who terrell. Is
the only time he Saw terrell was at. Trial so
if rokeeem had never Seen terrell and the shot was
made from near contact to eighteen inches, away it is
(17:19):
impossible That terrell was the.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Shooter, nevertheless the incentivized, witness the MUDDY dna, report and
of course the testimony Of Detective matrasia with too much to,
overcome And terrell was sentenced to two life sentences plus thirty.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Years this is a free call from true an inmate
at maximum security. Facility thank you for using. Securists you
may start the conversation, Now.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Okay the investigators in your, Case, terrell it Was Detective
matrasha And Detective, angelo, right.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah, angelo though he was the leader of the, Case
matasha was the one that lied About, jamal saying it
was me at the show. Up so WHAT i was
told was this from a lot of, lawyers and they
all gave me the same. Answer you're in this. Situation
they tend this on. You it's because you asked for your.
LAWYER i asked for my. Way that's not, Right they, said,
(18:21):
yeah but you didn't tell them what they wanted to,
hear and they threw it on. You jamal ain't, here
so you could put any words in that man's mouth
you want because you can't put him on a stand
and cross examine. Him so what the cops. Do they
go on the stand and they, think, no they, know
they know that the jury look at them as. Superheroes
(18:43):
the jury don't think that the cops are going to
go on to stand and, lie and that's what they.
Did And jamal ain't. Here now this is before this
even going on With George. Floyd this was in like twenty,
twelve twenty, thirteen so around that time that climate was,
like oh, no the police ain't gonna lie on this, Kid.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Torell you've gone through this insane. Nightmare everything that could
go wrong has gone wrong so. Far but then comes
the moment where the jury goes out and they come back.
In did you think that they were going to find you?
Innocent tell us about that.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Moment they bring me down and the elevator to the court.
Room they can just feel like the tension in the
courtroom and the jury will come. In their faces are.
Funny they SAID i was, guilty and then, everybody just my,
family everybody was just, Like, noah he's. Innocent like they
just went. Crazy i'm just sitting there like and. Shocked
(19:41):
i'm in, shocked like everybody's standing. Up i'm the only
one sitting down and what got me out of the
chance As i've Seen Detective Angelo leva. Laughing SO i, said,
yo what do you think this is? Funny they just
looked at me AND i looked At jamaal's family AND
i turned around some AND i, SAID i didn't do
(20:02):
this to your. SON i promise. YOU i promise. YOU
i did not do this to your. SON i did
not do. This they didn't get justice for your. Son
they're lying to you and they're just looking at me
like in a. Shock everyone's going. Crazy so they're in that.
Commotion i've seen the prosecutor like hugged the brother like
like they want a Super, bowl smacking his back like, yeah,
yeah we got. Him And i'm just looking at him
(20:24):
like ye're lying into this family like this is a big,
lie like you just known an innocent kid guilty for
a time. Again do they just want a big? CONVICTION
i know they don't know WHY i didn't do, it
because the, prosecutors you, know when you see bogus, charges
but you still go forward with it because you want a.
Conviction they don't care.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yet What i'm. Say, yeah they're thinking about their, future their,
aspirations the way they can be, successful and they know
that's by having a good conviction rate by in. Large
but it's like it's some sort of six scoreboard and they're.
Decent oscar's out. There there are some really good ones,
Too but the ones that are willing to ignore evidence
(21:05):
of innocence and prosecute clearly bogus cases like yours just
to get another notch on their, belt just to move
up the, ladder Are they're a disgrace and they're actually
a menace to public.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Safety they used on that they went off family to
make this. Family, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Like and as if this case couldn't get worse or.
Weirder Stephan bowden put out a. SONG i guess he
(21:47):
was trying to rid himself of the guilt of skating
on the murder rap and allowing his friend to rotten. Prison.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right he wrote this song Called letter To.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Terrel it's really more of a guilt, trip saying things
like we should have never went out to the club that.
Night it's painful that you're in that. Cell it's painful
on my, mother And i'm sorry that you.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Win that gym's painful on my, Mother BUT i think
about you every day IN. Nfe how is he? Out
interrell's in.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Prison Stefan boden is now. Dead he was shot in
a car shooting in twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Seventeen it's too. MUCH i, mean the good news is
He's the only good news HERE i guess is that
he's got a fantastic. Team now we've got some. Momentum
can you talk about that new, evidence talk about his
new lawyer and what lays.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Ahead the original theory was if you hold a gun
straight out in front of, you THE gsr or gun
shot residue will fly back and hit the chest, area
AS i mentioned. Before, However Bob, Cando terrell's newer, attorney
went ahead and looked at the trajectory of the bullets
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and he had a couple of questions about where the
shot was actually made. From how is it possible That
rakim didn't see the. Shooter how is it possible that
If jamal gave a dying, declaration then he gave it
to the wrong. Person and how is it possible that
If stefan's the real, shooter we find only lead on.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Him where are the other particles OF.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Gsr So Bob kando goes ahead and puts in a
request for other areas Of boden's clothing to be, analyzed
including his crotch and belt. Area lo and, behold they
come back with more particles OF, gsr which ends up
being huge. News putting together trajectory of the. Bullets putting TOGETHER,
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Gsr Stefan boden actually took the shots.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
From right next to his. Belt he actually did not
hold the gun straight.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Ahead so if that were to, happen someone who's extremely
intoxicated wouldn't be able to see the. Gun and WHEN
i actually ended up speaking To rakeem, later IF i, said,
well you, know the new evidence really says that the
gun was next to him was, sponsor he, goes, oh
that might explain. It so that might explain Why rokein
didn't see That stefan shot. Him so that's very. Exciting
(24:10):
and with this new, evidence with the new affidavit that
we have, written new eyewitnesses who are coming, forward family
members Of stephan Bod and who are coming forward and
SAYING i Know stefan did. It he told me multiple.
Times we are taking all of this And bob is
pushing for a hearing In september with emotion for a new,
(24:30):
trial and we're hoping that we can Get terrell home very.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Soon and that leads to what happens now and what
can people?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
DO a mini documentary came out About Terrell. Barrows please
check it. Out the title of it is on. YouTube
it's Called making An exonerary twenty twenty dash The story
Of Terrell. Barrows and then that you'll really see everything
that we outlined throughout this entire, podcast as well as
getting to hear from people who heard From steffan himself
(25:00):
that he did. It and then there's also a change
dot org petition that sends a letter to the, governor
who has been pretty vocal about THE blm movement and
everything that's happening right, now so we're hoping that she'll
also hop onto this change dot org slash Free. Terrellbarrow
so it's change dot org Slash Free Terrell.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Barrows our wonderful producers have put the link in the
podcast description so you can just scroll down on whatever
platform you're listening. To please share it on social. Media
tell people listen to the, episode watch the video content
that's out. There we can win. This so now this
(25:41):
is the part WHERE i get to thank our guests
in this, case and, There Jenna, handy thank you for being,
here and of Course Terrell, Barrows we're here for. You
i'm going to fight for, you and thank you as
well for sharing your thoughts with. Us Now i'm going
to turn off my, microphone pick back in my chair
(26:02):
and Let Noorgena handy share her final thoughts in the
segment we call closing.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Arguments terrelle is an amazing.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
MAN i could go on and on about who he
is as a, person the character that he, has and
the change that he will make when he is brought.
Home and it has been such an honor to be
in his, life to be in his mother's, life to
be in his attorney's. Life And i'm hoping that we
can Prove terrell's innocence and bring him home to his,
(26:32):
mom to his, family and to society where he belongs
and WHERE i am one thousand percent sure that he
is going to make a. Difference this is not the,
end and it's definitely not the. Beginning this story With
terrell has happened many times in the past and unfortunately
will continue to happen unless people like, me like You,
(26:54):
jason come together and Bring terrell.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Home and now over to You torel, again thank you
for being here and thank you for your courage and your.
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one
August twenty six, twenty twelve, started off as a relatively
normal night. Terrell Barrows was at Monet Lounge in Providence,
Rhode Island, with Stephan Boden and some other friends, and
disagreement ensued between Stephan and two other clubgoers, Rokeem Henley
and Jamal Cruz, but the tension didn't boil over until
later in the parking lot. See Stephan Boden wanted his
(00:25):
cigarettes and he would ask Torell for his car keys
because that's where they were, so he left ahead of
the group, and as fate would have it, who was
parked right next to Terrell, but Jamal and Rokeem, who
were now ominously approaching. Terrell and the rest of his
friends though, were just arriving on the scene and trying
to avoid the drama, so Terrell made for the driver's
(00:46):
side door, and then gunshots. Terrell quickly ducked into the
driver's seat and Stephan bod jumped into the passenger side.
Seconds later, the cops were at the car and they
saw Stephan trying to hide the gun. Stephen confessed on
the spot to the shooting as both men were cuffed.
An intoxicated and mortally wounded. Jamal Cruz had put his
(01:10):
head down when shown Terrell, a far cry from an identification,
but that didn't stop a detective from testifying a trial
about a quote unquote dying declaration. The state even ignored
Stefan Boden's immediate and uncoerced confession, forging blindly ahead to
ultimately send Torell to prison, where he remains to this day,
(01:33):
serving two consecutive life sentences plus thirty years. This is
Wrongful Conviction with Jason Flamm. Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction
with Jason Flamm. Today we're going to be discussing the
(01:56):
really troubling case of Terrell Barrows, who was awfully convicted
of a shooting in which one person was killed and
another was badly injured. And with us today we have
a student at Georgetown who's been doing incredible work investigating
his case under the leadership of my friend, Professor Mark Howard.
So Nurgena Hendy, Welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
To the show, Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
The Georgetown class that Nurgenna is a student in is
taught by Mark Howard and a name that you'll recognize
from being on our show more than once. Marty Tankleff,
and of course, this class was directly responsible for the
exoneration of Valentino Dixon. If you haven't heard his episode,
please go back and listen to it. It's extraordinary. So
(02:41):
we hope to be hearing from Terrell Barrows very soon.
Of course, in this COVID time that we're in, it's
very hard to get to the phones in prison, but
we will be discussing his case and hopefully hearing from
him as the podcast progresses. So let's go back to
two twelve.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Back in August of twenty twelve, Terrell Barrows and a
group of friends headed out to Monet Lounge in Providence,
Rhode Island. While they're in the club, there's some sort
of verbal altercation between Terrell's group and a couple of
members of another group, including the two that got shot.
One was Rokim Henley, who got shot in the leg
(03:22):
and who I spoke with a couple of times over
the past few months, and then Jamal Cruz who ended
up dying that night. But Terrell wasn't a part of
that verbal altercation. It was Stephanboden who was and so
a name was called someone's hat got tapped off their
head and then no one really stays.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
There's not a physical altercation at all.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Later on in the night, Stefan Boden asked Terrell, he goes, hey,
let me get the tack to go get your car keys.
So as he's heading over, there is another car that
is parked bumper to bumper with Terrell's car, and it
just happens to be the car of Jamal Cruz. Stephen
thought that Jamal and Roekeim were coming to cause problems
(04:06):
when reality they were just walking to their car. Stefan
grabs the gun and you know, witnesses say he told
them don't come any closer. And at this point Terrell
starts heading over to his car with his group of friends.
Terrell is about ten to fifteen feet away from Steffan
Bowden and Jamal Cruz, which is where all eyewitnesses placed
(04:27):
him as well, and he's actually walking to get to
the other side of his car to hop in the
driver's seat because he knows that there's trouble about to
happen he doesn't want to be a part of it.
He hears two gun shots, he jumps into the driver's
seat and almost immediately Stephan jumps into the passenger seat,
and the cops are there to arrest them.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And there's more to this too, because when Stephan jumped
into the passenger seat, he had it sort of a
moment of self awareness right where he started apologizing to
Terrell for sort of involving him in this.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
At this point, the arresting officers are on either side
and the gun is still with Stephan Bowden. He is
caught concealing the gun in the passenger side door, and
Stepan actually confesses on the scene.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
He said it's me. It's all me, It's all mine.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yet they are both arrested, taken to a paddy wagon,
and then there's a show up that is done. Now
they spoke with a couple of jury members who told
me this is what caused us to believe Terrell is guilty.
So in the show ups, they bring Stephan over to Jamal,
who was in critical condition on the floor, extremely intoxicated,
(05:41):
and they say, is this the man that shot you?
And Jamal looks away. Apparently when they bring over Terrell,
Detective Matrasia says, Jamal.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Nods, that's what they say he did. It doesn't matter
if he nodded or not. He was in no position
to make any identification of anyone, and we still don't
know if he did. It's not like he stuck his
finger out and went, yeah, that's the guy who shot me,
and he's out right, that's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
They actually did not even do a show up identification
with the other guy, Rokeim Henley, who was shot and
he was not in critical condition.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
They also didn't bother to swab the hands of either
Terrell or Stephan, right, that would be so critical to
figuring out who did or did not commit this horrible crime.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And Jason, I think it was clear to arresting officers
this had to have been Stephan. It was in his hand,
he confesses. That's probably why they didn't even swab their hands.
And then you know, somehow the story gets twisted and
it's now in Terrell because of what they call a
dying declaration.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Terrell Owis says, he goes, there were two.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Lives lost that night, Mine and Jamal Cruz, and I
feel bad because Jamal Cruz didn't get justice.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
This is a free call from Roe and inmate at
Maximum Security facility. Thank you for using securists. You may
start the conversation. Now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I love Heyterrell, thanks for calling in. I know we
have limited time, so let would get right to it.
Can you take us back to the awful night of
this crime and give us your perspective having lived through
this night, mayor yourself.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Well, back at that night, the two dudes approached. You know,
we're talking to Stephan about something. The problem wasn't with me,
so you went outside in the front of the club.
Stephanim one of my keys to go get it a cigarettes.
So when we go to the PA, the two dudes approaching.
So I see them two dudes. Oh my god, man,
here we go. So I turned around to go with
jobside and the car, and I hear shots. So I
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just run into my car, just got run to my pa.
Pop is like he had the gun on me, and
put your hands on stading wheel. I put my hands
on stading whil and he keeps on saying it but
he's talking to stuff, and so he puts his hands
on the standing wheel and he's like, yo, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry, I love you, I love you. The police
officers hot and up and he's like, oh yo, the passions.
(08:08):
He's got the gun. So as soon as he opens
up the door, Stephan says, it's me. It's all me,
It's all mine. He's like it's shoot. He's like, yeah,
it's me. So when he took him out, he's already
han't come from the other cop that had the gun
on us. He comes, he flashed the cuffs on the wrist,
my wrists and slings me on the floor. Brings it
back to the paddy wagon. There's a guy that was shot.
(08:30):
I didn't know no one was shot. I could see
blood every this dude's hurt. So this dude shot in
the chest, and this dude's like doing a show up
with this guy shot in the chest, asking him this
shin the sin the shim. The guy just looked at
me and puts his head down. He ain't saying nothing.
He didn't do nothing. He ain't saying nothing. He just
put his head down. So then they had put me
(08:51):
back into paddy wagon. They bring me back to the station.
When they bring back to the station, you know they
do the mob shot the fingerprints. Whether they got me
to a room with two detectives. I asked for my
lawyer to touch his Angelo Levon was the lead to
He was the one that questioned me the first time
in the first night. So he's like, oh, you know
he wants cigarette. You want a cigarett.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I'm like no.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
He's like, you want water. I'm like no, and he
catched on, chya talk to me, and I'm like, I
want my lawyer. I want my lawyer. I want my lawyer.
So he leaves the room and he comes back and
he brings back to holding himself. So it's one of
the times I'm like, yo, I'm banging on the door.
Cop comes. He's like, what you're banging on. I'm like,
I want my phone call. He's like phone call. I'm
(09:31):
like yeah, He's like, are you getting plenty phone calls?
Were aure going. I'm like, where am I going. He's like,
you're gonna chill? What the hell? They bring me in
the bus. They chanceport me there and I find out
Monday the raiment that I'm getting charged with murder. I
go up into the court room, had to split up.
Stephan was on the west sides on the right side.
(09:52):
So they reach Steff in his charges seventh bolroom possessing
a firearm and that was that and he goes with
Terrell Barrows first degree heard them, Paul showing everything I love.
I did not do it. He admitted it on the
scene for the p that's the power. I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I don't understand it either, because it should have been
over right then and there, throw the phone, Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
The caller has hung up.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I have never and may never again hear of a
case in which the actual shooter skates on the charges
after confessing on the scene. Right, I mean, at that point,
this should be a very short podcast. That should be
the end of it. I mean, this would be funny,
except it's so freaking serious, right, And this is this
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is the system that we all rely on day in
and day out. I'd like to believe that we have
people who are doing the job that they're paid to do.
But in this case, it's absolutely true. It failed society,
it failed the victim, It failed to rell, and that's
what we're here to talk about. And then it gets
weirder because then you start with the eyewitness. The only
(11:20):
eyewitness is a guy named Gregory's or Obedient, and he
initially claims he didn't see the shooting, and then changed
his testimony six days before the trial to say he
saw Torell do it. We have a document signed by
the assist Attorney General promising not to charge him for
perjury should he alter his testimony. That's maybe just a
little bit of a red flag there. Now get this, Okay,
(11:42):
this Gregory's or obedient guy had, well, let's just call
it an extensive criminal history. But that might not even
be doing a justice. So his rap sheet went back
thirty years. It included convictions not arrest, convictions for living
off the earnings of a prostitute, grand larson, d ui
causing death, cocaine possession, burglary, theft, escape, and that's just
(12:07):
the beginning. So do we think that after doing all
these other things he's done, he might be willing to
lie in exchange for a deal. I would say that's
a pretty good likelihood. And then let's get to Detective
Charles Mtrasia. Do you want to take that one, Jenna.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
He was actually the one who claims that he saw
Jamal cruz Nod. When they brought over Terrell, I asked herra,
I said, yo, were you watching Jamal? He said yeah,
I was watching him. I said, did he not? He
said no, he didn't do anything. So whether he did
or did not is another story. But again, Jamal Cruz
was under the influence of alcohol. He had a BAC
of point one six', two which seems like a lot
(12:43):
until we look At, rokin who had to.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Actually HIRE bac as.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well and then Both Stephan andterrell were wearing WHITE t
shirts and darker. Pants out of the group That terrell was,
in he was not the only one with two long black.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Braids he just. Wasn't it was a. Style if you
look at the pictures.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Of his friend, group he's not the only one with
two long black. Braids and so out of a group
of people wearing white, shirts dark, pants two long black,
braids you're dying on the. Floor And Detective matrasia, says,
yeah he nodded when we brought Over. TERRELL i, mean
how unreal could that? Be and so now we're moving
INTO gsr.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
TESTING gsr stands for gunshot, residue.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yep and there are three particles of gunshot residue that
they test for when they're looking at. Clothing so When
Stephan andterrell were initially, Arrested stefan was pulled out of
the car and he was slammed against the side of the.
Car When terrell was, arrested he was pulled out of
the car and slammed to the, ground so he actually had.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Some dirt on his white shirt in a specific.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Area what they initially test was the chest area of
Both terrell and Of stephan because the theory is if
someone is a shooter and they hold the gun right,
ahead that the gunshot residue will recoil and hit them
in the chest. Area so they talk about stuff and they, go,
well we found lead on stuffan and they, say, well
(14:09):
you also found lead On. Terrell So terrell whispers to
his attorney ask if they happened to find.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
The lead where my shirt was.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Dirty they said, Yes so it makes sense that that's
the only place on his clothing where they found. Lead
so this is all the information they had in terms
OF gsr at, trial but there is MORE gsr evidence to,
come which is part of what we are motioning for
with the new hearing coming.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Up, well we're on, initials, Right we'll go FROM gsr TO,
dna and THE dna report Excluded terrell from having held the.
Gun so let's touch for a second on THE dna
expert for the, state who we know was, WELL i,
mean most, unfortunately quote unquote experts are pro. Prosecution in,
fact the whole system is pro. Prosecution over eighty percent
(14:56):
of judges are former. Prosecutors so throughout the process there's
a tilt towards, prosecution and the experts that you're seeing
may not be objective at. All and this is one
of those cases WHERE i think that there's a strong
argument to that. Effect, So, ujena can you talk about?
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That, Yeah Kara lupino gave extremely pro prosecution. Testimony in
the way that she had presented. It the attorney would
ask a question the, prosecutor she would respond and say,
yes And torell was. Included and then you all of
a sudden get to the very very very end and
they really quickly sneak in a couple of lines Of
terrell was excluded And Stefan BODEN'S dna could not be.
(15:36):
Excluded so When i'm talking to the, juror she, GOES
i don't even really remember him being. Excluded it was so.
Confusing there were a lot of numbers thrown. Out terrell
seemed to be included in almost every mixture that they're talking.
About it's absolutely, insane and IF i was in the,
JURY i would have thought the same.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Thing the state's witness essentially muddy the waters of what
was a pretty cut and DRY dna report that Excluded
torell from having ever held the. Gun but then There's Rokeem,
henley the other guy who got shot that. Night his,
testimony along with the ballistic evidence known at the time of,
trial make it an actual impossibility That terrell could have
(16:19):
been the.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Shooter he does, testify and WHEN i asked him the
same question WHEN i met with, him he, said the
only person standing close To Jamal cruz Was Stefan.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Bodden SO i, said here's the.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Discrepancy did you see who shot?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
You he said.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
NO i, said, okay, well ballistic evidence proves that the
shot was made from near contact to eighteen inches, away
and you are telling me that the only person standing
near contact to eighteen inches away From Jamal cruz Was Stefan.
Bodden he, said, yes BUT i didn't see him shoot the.
(16:59):
Gun it's kind of a confusing. Testimony you don't see
stuff and do, it but you also claim you did
not See terrell. Outside you don't know Who terrell. Is
the only time he Saw terrell was at. Trial so
if rokeeem had never Seen terrell and the shot was
made from near contact to eighteen inches, away it is
(17:19):
impossible That terrell was the.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Shooter, nevertheless the incentivized, witness the MUDDY dna, report and
of course the testimony Of Detective matrasia with too much to,
overcome And terrell was sentenced to two life sentences plus thirty.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Years this is a free call from true an inmate
at maximum security. Facility thank you for using. Securists you
may start the conversation, Now.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Okay the investigators in your, Case, terrell it Was Detective
matrasha And Detective, angelo, right.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Yeah, angelo though he was the leader of the, Case
matasha was the one that lied About, jamal saying it
was me at the show. Up so WHAT i was
told was this from a lot of, lawyers and they
all gave me the same. Answer you're in this. Situation
they tend this on. You it's because you asked for your.
LAWYER i asked for my. Way that's not, Right they, said,
(18:21):
yeah but you didn't tell them what they wanted to,
hear and they threw it on. You jamal ain't, here
so you could put any words in that man's mouth
you want because you can't put him on a stand
and cross examine. Him so what the cops. Do they
go on the stand and they, think, no they, know
they know that the jury look at them as. Superheroes
(18:43):
the jury don't think that the cops are going to
go on to stand and, lie and that's what they.
Did And jamal ain't. Here now this is before this
even going on With George. Floyd this was in like twenty,
twelve twenty, thirteen so around that time that climate was,
like oh, no the police ain't gonna lie on this, Kid.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Torell you've gone through this insane. Nightmare everything that could
go wrong has gone wrong so. Far but then comes
the moment where the jury goes out and they come back.
In did you think that they were going to find you?
Innocent tell us about that.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Moment they bring me down and the elevator to the court.
Room they can just feel like the tension in the
courtroom and the jury will come. In their faces are.
Funny they SAID i was, guilty and then, everybody just my,
family everybody was just, Like, noah he's. Innocent like they
just went. Crazy i'm just sitting there like and. Shocked
(19:41):
i'm in, shocked like everybody's standing. Up i'm the only
one sitting down and what got me out of the
chance As i've Seen Detective Angelo leva. Laughing SO i, said,
yo what do you think this is? Funny they just
looked at me AND i looked At jamaal's family AND
i turned around some AND i, SAID i didn't do
(20:02):
this to your. SON i promise. YOU i promise. YOU
i did not do this to your. SON i did
not do. This they didn't get justice for your. Son
they're lying to you and they're just looking at me
like in a. Shock everyone's going. Crazy so they're in that.
Commotion i've seen the prosecutor like hugged the brother like
like they want a Super, bowl smacking his back like, yeah,
yeah we got. Him And i'm just looking at him
(20:24):
like ye're lying into this family like this is a big,
lie like you just known an innocent kid guilty for
a time. Again do they just want a big? CONVICTION
i know they don't know WHY i didn't do, it
because the, prosecutors you, know when you see bogus, charges
but you still go forward with it because you want a.
Conviction they don't care.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yet What i'm. Say, yeah they're thinking about their, future their,
aspirations the way they can be, successful and they know
that's by having a good conviction rate by in. Large
but it's like it's some sort of six scoreboard and they're.
Decent oscar's out. There there are some really good ones,
Too but the ones that are willing to ignore evidence
(21:05):
of innocence and prosecute clearly bogus cases like yours just
to get another notch on their, belt just to move
up the, ladder Are they're a disgrace and they're actually
a menace to public.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Safety they used on that they went off family to
make this. Family, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Like and as if this case couldn't get worse or.
Weirder Stephan bowden put out a. SONG i guess he
(21:47):
was trying to rid himself of the guilt of skating
on the murder rap and allowing his friend to rotten. Prison.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Right he wrote this song Called letter To.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Terrel it's really more of a guilt, trip saying things
like we should have never went out to the club that.
Night it's painful that you're in that. Cell it's painful
on my, mother And i'm sorry that you.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Win that gym's painful on my, Mother BUT i think
about you every day IN. Nfe how is he? Out
interrell's in.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Prison Stefan boden is now. Dead he was shot in
a car shooting in twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Seventeen it's too. MUCH i, mean the good news is
He's the only good news HERE i guess is that
he's got a fantastic. Team now we've got some. Momentum
can you talk about that new, evidence talk about his
new lawyer and what lays.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Ahead the original theory was if you hold a gun
straight out in front of, you THE gsr or gun
shot residue will fly back and hit the chest, area
AS i mentioned. Before, However Bob, Cando terrell's newer, attorney
went ahead and looked at the trajectory of the bullets
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and he had a couple of questions about where the
shot was actually made. From how is it possible That
rakim didn't see the. Shooter how is it possible that
If jamal gave a dying, declaration then he gave it
to the wrong. Person and how is it possible that
If stefan's the real, shooter we find only lead on.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Him where are the other particles OF.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Gsr So Bob kando goes ahead and puts in a
request for other areas Of boden's clothing to be, analyzed
including his crotch and belt. Area lo and, behold they
come back with more particles OF, gsr which ends up
being huge. News putting together trajectory of the. Bullets putting TOGETHER,
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Gsr Stefan boden actually took the shots.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
From right next to his. Belt he actually did not
hold the gun straight.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Ahead so if that were to, happen someone who's extremely
intoxicated wouldn't be able to see the. Gun and WHEN
i actually ended up speaking To rakeem, later IF i, said,
well you, know the new evidence really says that the
gun was next to him was, sponsor he, goes, oh
that might explain. It so that might explain Why rokein
didn't see That stefan shot. Him so that's very. Exciting
(24:10):
and with this new, evidence with the new affidavit that
we have, written new eyewitnesses who are coming, forward family
members Of stephan Bod and who are coming forward and
SAYING i Know stefan did. It he told me multiple.
Times we are taking all of this And bob is
pushing for a hearing In september with emotion for a new,
(24:30):
trial and we're hoping that we can Get terrell home very.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Soon and that leads to what happens now and what
can people?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
DO a mini documentary came out About Terrell. Barrows please
check it. Out the title of it is on. YouTube
it's Called making An exonerary twenty twenty dash The story
Of Terrell. Barrows and then that you'll really see everything
that we outlined throughout this entire, podcast as well as
getting to hear from people who heard From steffan himself
(25:00):
that he did. It and then there's also a change
dot org petition that sends a letter to the, governor
who has been pretty vocal about THE blm movement and
everything that's happening right, now so we're hoping that she'll
also hop onto this change dot org slash Free. Terrellbarrow
so it's change dot org Slash Free Terrell.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Barrows our wonderful producers have put the link in the
podcast description so you can just scroll down on whatever
platform you're listening. To please share it on social. Media
tell people listen to the, episode watch the video content
that's out. There we can win. This so now this
(25:41):
is the part WHERE i get to thank our guests
in this, case and, There Jenna, handy thank you for being,
here and of Course Terrell, Barrows we're here for. You
i'm going to fight for, you and thank you as
well for sharing your thoughts with. Us Now i'm going
to turn off my, microphone pick back in my chair
(26:02):
and Let Noorgena handy share her final thoughts in the
segment we call closing.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Arguments terrelle is an amazing.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
MAN i could go on and on about who he
is as a, person the character that he, has and
the change that he will make when he is brought.
Home and it has been such an honor to be
in his, life to be in his mother's, life to
be in his attorney's. Life And i'm hoping that we
can Prove terrell's innocence and bring him home to his,
(26:32):
mom to his, family and to society where he belongs
and WHERE i am one thousand percent sure that he
is going to make a. Difference this is not the,
end and it's definitely not the. Beginning this story With
terrell has happened many times in the past and unfortunately
will continue to happen unless people like, me like You,
(26:54):
jason come together and Bring terrell.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Home and now over to You torel, again thank you
for being here and thank you for your courage and your.
Spirit hang in. There we're all out here rooting for
you and more importantly fighting for. You so now over
to you for closing.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
ARGUMENTS i just want to thank everybody for, listening AND
i want to start off while, Thinking Jason form for
give me this platform to explain my. Situation we need
people Like Jason Mock, Poward Madi, tank with The georgetown,
students the Genre Leo. Caroline they are fighting so hard for.
(27:36):
Me my, Attorney Robert, kando just want to thank him
for being there for me and really really fighting for
me because he Knows i'm really, innocent you. Know AND
i also got to thank the two main women in my,
wife my mother And Ann. Lisa if it wasn't For
An lisa reaching out to my out with, that none
of this right, now this, interview the, documentary the, petition
(27:59):
none of this would be going on right now because
it wasn't for. HER i want to thank my mother
for always being there for. Me her strength is WHERE
i get it. From, well right, Here i'm innocent and
she told me to, fight, fight fight UNTIL i get my.
Freedom but the post convincing am't coming. Up And i'm
fighting for a new child And i'm fighting for. FREEDOM
(28:21):
i need your. HELP i just need as much people
to sign this.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Petition you have one minute. LEFT i spread the.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Word we need. Allies there's a lot of us in
here that are, voiceless AND i am blessed to have the.
FAMILY i have to have this voice to speak because
it's given me a platform to speak for the. Voiceless
in this, PRESENT i feel like people are playing in
(28:52):
my life for a. REASON i know That i'm going
to get out of jail AND i gotta fight on
the front line for people get innocent in present because
it has to. Stop these pos needs to be held.
Appounable they're not just killing us in the. Streets they're
killing us in these courts and there's no consequences when
(29:14):
they do. It they need to be. Accomplished too many
people in the prisons system what their life took me,
fact it has to.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Stop don't forget to give us a fantastic review wherever
you get your. Podcasts it really. Helps And i'm a
proud donor to The Innocence, project AND i really hope
you'll join me in supporting this very important cause and
(29:46):
helping to prevent future wrongful. Convictions go To Innocence project
dot org to learn how to donate and get. Involved
i'd like to thank our production, Team Connor hall And Kevin.
Wartis the music in the show is by three Time
Oscar nominade Composed Jay. Ralph be sure to follow us
On instagram At Wrongful conviction and On facebook At Wrongful Conviction.
(30:06):
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Jason Flom
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