June 25, 2020 • 36 mins
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has agreed to hear an appeal of Bill Cosby’s 2018 sexual assault conviction. The decision will allow five additional accusers to testify, along with Cosby’s claim that a prosecutor once told him he would not face charges.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Jim Elliott- Attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel for various Georgia municipalities and other governmental entities
- Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta Ga
- Cloyd Steiger – 36 years with Seattle Police Department, 22-year homicide detective, Author of “Seattle’s Forgotten Serial Killer: Gary Gene Grant”
- Levi Page - Investigative reporter CrimeOnline
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Bill Cosby back in the headlines. Does it never end?
All those years he had of being America's dad, being
the big movie star, the number one comedian in the country,
and what was he doing molesting women, doping them and
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then molesting them raping them. He finally gets convicted after
a twenty or thirty year run, and now it's not over.
His case is rearing. It's ugly head. I want to
run as if I had seen a monster, But no,
you know what, I'm gonna fight crime stories with Nancy.
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Thank you for being with us. I mean it. See Grace,
this is crime Stories again. Thank you for being with
us here at Fox Nation. It's serious. ExM One eleven.
How in the hay is it back? He was convicted
by a jury, right, Remember all those women crying on
the stand, take a listen to this E news anchor.
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In a stunning ruling, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court will allow
Cosby to appeal two issues in his sexual assaults conviction.
Since twenty eight, the eighty two year old has been
serving a three to ten years sentence after a jury
convicted him of drugging and sexually assaulting a woman and
dracunstand in his home in two thousand and four. E
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News has obtained the court documents confirming Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ruling.
The court will review whether the jury should have heard
testimony from five other accusers about alleged assaults that were
not a part of the original charges. It will also
review the judge's decision to allow the trial to proceed
after Cosby was allegedly promised immunity by former prosecutor and
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then agreed to be questions during depositions in two thousand
and five and two thousand and six. Okay, let me
just boil that down. What the court is saying is
the case has not been reversed. That hasn't happened. But
Cosby has the right to appeal his case on two grounds,
at least two major grounds. They'll probably throw in the
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standard grounds like insufficient evidence. They always say that there's
not enough evidence to convict me, even though a jury
did convict them. They might say ineffective assistance of counsel,
because that always get raised. You pay a guy a
million dollars to represent you, and then on appeal you're
sitting in your jail cell wondering how can I get
out of here. You then claim, oh, he did a
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horrible job. This is what he did wrong. Those don't
concern me. These two do concern now that I agree
with them, but they concern me. Guys joining me an
all star panel. First of all, very famous in his region.
Lawyer Jim Elliott with Butler Snowy is legal counsel for
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multiple municipalities like cities, counties. Also with me, psychiatrists doctor
Angela Arnold joining me from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Cloyd Stiger
thirty six years Seattle PD, twenty two of those years
on homicide. He's seen it all. He is also the
author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant. You
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can find him at Cloyd Stiger dot com, but straight
out to Levi Page, investigative reporter with Crime online dot com,
where you can find this and all other breaking crime
and justice news you know must Nobody can say it
better than one of the victims herself. Take a listen
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to what Janice Dickinson, as she calls herself America's first supermodel,
tells me. Janice Dickinson, supermodel and reality TV star, is
joining us. Mistakenson, thank you for being with us. I
can't breathe because of Bill Cosby. What do you mean?
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I can't breathe because I haven't slept in weeks, and
you know, I just you know, you know, with everything
that's going on, I haven't been able to breathe. Like
the whole nation is doing right now protesting. I am
protesting because of the unresolved issues due to rape from
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Bill Cosby. I'm just starting to exhale. And I will
say this, you know, I sobbed all weekend, not just
for me, for what's going on with these other women.
I'm in huge gratitude to the Los Angeles Police Department.
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You know, thank you guys and gals out there. You know,
it's about time that this guy gets his cup up.
And you were hearing America's first supermodel, Janice Dickinson, described
her reaction to waiting for justice for Bill Cosby. You know,
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the other day I heard Eddie Murphy, who was hilarious
ever since he did Doctor Dolittle, well ever since he
was in coming to America. You know, who could not
be an Eddie Murphy fan. But he was saying, how
Cosb became jack out and have you heard this? And
lectured him on being a good example, lectured Eddie Murphy,
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and the other day Eddie Murphy was saying, Wow, check
it out, America's dad. Who's America's dad? Now you're in jail.
And I've got ten children and I'm supporting and taking
care of all of them, however many children he has.
And I'm just thinking about how Cosby used to lecture
everybody on how to be a better person. You know,
leave my page. I know I was going to you
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for the facts, but let me go to doctor Angela Arnold.
Doctor Arnold, I don't want you to give any personal story,
but and all of your personal to you that happened
to you. But when a person goes through trauma, be
at a sex attack, be it you know, your loved
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one getting murdered right before your wedding, any traumatic event,
I believe. And I'm just a JD. You're the MD
and a shrink. You're left with not only the injustice
of what happened to you or your loved one, but
this feeling of helplessness and then certain things for the
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rest of your life trigger that. And women think, oh
why did I one two three wear a short skirt
go out that night to a barbed drink, that drink,
blah blah blah. It goes on and on and on.
I have interviewed spoken with so many of Cosby's victims,
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and they all say, oh, I was so stupid. I
feel in the blank, as if they somehow contributed to
being raped. And I'm hearing who I consider to be
a friend. She may not even remember me, but Janice
Dickinson telling me her story, and her voice got higher
and higher, and hire and hire. I'm giving my chill,
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myself chills just remembering it as she recounted what Cosby
did to her. And now he's manipulating the justice system,
just like he manipulated all these women. I have no
doubt in my mind. Dickinson and all the other women
were telling the truth. Does it ever go away? Doctor?
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And she does it ever go away? Dia? Ever wake
up one morning and you don't feel helpless, and you
don't feel like you can't breathe as she was saying,
does it ever quit? No, it's certainly waxes and wanes.
And there are very specific kinds of therapy that people
can have that will help them dissociate their actual feelings
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from the actual trauma that they experienced. I'll just never
forget speaking to her, and I can tell you this much.
It has not subsided for her or so many others
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time stories with Nancy Grace. What's happening right now is
Cosby was convicted on the attack regarding Andrew Constat catch this,
catch this, and want you to hear what here's our
attorneys are saying. Now, take a listen to this E
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News anchor. Following the ruling, a spokesperson for Cosby told
E News in a statement that they were extremely thankful
to the States Supreme Court or Pennsylvania for agreeing to
review the appeal, adding America and the world is witnessing
the twenty third day of protests regarding the abuse and
murder of black people. Not just that the hands of
corrupt police officers, but these extremely vital and important protests
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are exposing the corruption that lies within the criminal justice system.
District attorneys and judges. Andrea Constans released her own public
statement asking the State's court to reconsider releasing Cosby back
into the community. While everyone deserves for their cries and
appeals to be heard, even convicted criminals. If anyone's cries
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matter most right now, it's a women who have lifted
their voice and selflessly put themselves in harm's way, such
as a prior bad act witnesses. In my case, they
are the true heroes. So basically, Bill Cosby is jumping
on the injustices committed upon victims like George Floyd and
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claiming that somehow he has been victimized. To leave my
page Crime online dot Com investigative report, what exactly is happening.
So Nancy Cosby was found guilty of three counts of
aggravated indecent assaults in twenty eighteen, and he was sentenced
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to three to ten years in state prison. And now
his attorneys are appealing that. They say it's unfair that
five unrelated accusers were allowed to testify in his twenty
eighteen sex assault trial. They also are one of those
people was Janice Dickinson, who you just played audio love
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and she alleged Nancy and she testified to this at
the trial that Cosby had been following her career, invited
her to his hotel. Remember she was a glamorous model
in the eighties. This is when this allegedly she still
glamorously Page your glasses go ahead and gave her wine
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and a pill, and she said she fell asleep in
his hotel room after drinking wine being drugged, and she
woke up to him raping her. She wanted to include
this in her autobiography, but her publisher cut it out.
They say, we're afraid to be suited, so we're not
including this. But there is evidence to back up what
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she's saying, because in twenty two thousand and six, she
was being interviewed on Howard Stern and she said Bill
Cosby had been inappropriate with me. But I'm not going
to go into details because I'm scared. But Nancy, a
lot of women. Yeah, it's funny how you get sued
for telling the truth. Yeah, that happens. Go ahead, if
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you came forward, Nancy. After the Me Too movement broke out,
and sixty women have accused Bill Cosby of sex assault.
So Cosby's lawyers are upset. You know, I really like you.
I like you a lot. But reality, you said they're
complaining because unrelated victims. Right, No, you said unrelated accusers.
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Hold your horses, little boy, because these are not unrelated accusers.
Their stories were heard by the judge and they were
deemed to be similar transactions incidents committed by Bill Cosby
in the past that are so similar to his attack
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on Andrew Constat that they prove motive, modus operandi, method
of operation, course of conduct, frame of mind. Basically fingerprint
crimes so identical to the case in chief that one
tends to prove the other. In other words, a similar
transaction victims, not unrelated accusers prove the case in chief.
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That's what a similar transaction is, is is it not? Jim
elliott Yeah, certainly an answer that cut upotit section four
or four B among people in your world, and you know,
and I'm confident you know what, Jim elliott I always
loved it on elevators in the courthouse when lawyers would
start saying things like you just did spouting out section
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four O, four A B, subparagraph dot dot I, or
even better, when they try to use Latin terms they
learned in law school like racips a loquatur, or there's
so many to pick from and you just watched the jury.
Eyes just glaze over. Okay, that's sad. Similar bad, go ahead,
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go crazy, okay, similar transactions. And so I mean, I
think what's gonna happen oftimoy Supreme Court's going to conclude,
and the trial judge made a very thorough analysis and
found that the prior acts, the other similar transactions were
relevant to the case. And I think this claim goes away.
I think you're right, and I mean, think about it.
You just heard Levi Page say there were at least
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sixty other women that made sex attack claims on Bill Cosby,
and only these five were allowed in front of the
jury as similar transaction events, which is allowed in court.
I brought in so many similar transactions. I don't even
know how many I brought in in cases that I
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tried in front of juries. But right now, guys, I
want you to take a listen to this, let me hear,
let me find what I want to hear. It is
Bill Cosby himself speaking to my old friend Larry King.
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Listen to this. Spanish fly was the thing that all
boys at from age eleven on up to death. We
will still be searching for Spanish flyer. And and what
was the old The old story was if you took
a little drop, it was on the head of a pint,
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matter it didn't make it, and the girl would drink it.
And she's hello, American straight out to doctor Angela Arnold,
medical doctor and psychiatrist. What is Spanish fly? I don't know, Nancy.
I'm so nate. I would need to look that up.
I'm so sorry. I'll out Spanish fly well. I met
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Clorde Stiger nos Clode Stiger. Spanish fly. The name has
come up in so many sects at cases. Great. What
is it? It's allegedly an aphrodisiac that will turn them
in onto you or something. I don't know. I don't
have any personal experience with it. I'm glad to hear that.
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In the Cosby assault trial, Queludes came into evidence. His
admitted use to using Spanish fly on women that he
wanted to rape did not come into evidence. What came
into evidence was his surreptitious doping of women and once
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they would pass out, he would then proceed to rape them.
Many of them describe him even wearing the same bathrobe
every time, women that were separated in time and space.
As a matter of fact, take a listen to what
our friend Janice Dickinson tells me, Janics, what was the
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preach hands of flying you there? He told me that
I was going to get a job on the Cosby Show.
That I was going he was going to get you know,
talk to me about, you know, putting me on the
Cosby Show. And he also told me, you know, I
heard you were singing, you want a singing career, because
he knew prior to that that I had been in
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rehab in nineteen eighty two, you know, and he had
heard because he contacted me in rehab. Then you know,
sent me a couple dozen red roses, this married pig,
and he told me that he wanted me to h
He'll have someone hit there helping me with my questions
career of if a married man sent me a couple
of dozen roses, I would, I would. I mean, it's
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a different it's different. And women, you know what I mean.
If you get flowers or something or fruit, but when
you get red roses, a dozen long stem red roses,
that sends a completely different message. You're hearing the voice
of supermodel Janice Dickinson telling me about how Bill Cosby
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raped her crime stories with Nancy Grace right now. Believe
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it or not, Cosby's conviction is in jeopardy. The case
is being appealed based on two major claims. There will
be other claims thrown in the pot, just throwing it out,
see what sticks. The two that are concerning. Number one
is the claim that the judge allowing similar transactions. Five
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other women testify as to their rape at the hand
of by Bill Cosby, one of them as Janice Dickinson.
Take a listen to this. Bill Cosby called me out
of the blue and he said, can you come by
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and see me? And I was like, of course, And
I went up to his hotel and I was alone,
and he talked about let me see what type of
acting skills you have. I want you to improv. And
as I tried to do improv, he fixed a drink
and then he brought it to me. It was a
brown liquid and it looked like a shot. I told
him I didn't drink. He said that this was going
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to relax me so that the lines would flow out
a lot easier. So I did drink it. He made
a second drink and add me drink the second drink
as well. I noticed myself getting on the edge of
the couch. He said, come over here and have a seat.
He had his legs open and when I sat down,
I was sitting down in between his legs with my
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back to his crotch. He started to stroke my hair
back in a petting motion like this. The last things
I remember is just feeling the strokes on my head.
After that, I don't remember anything else. I remember speaking
with Janice Dickinson with so many other of his victims.
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Karla Frigno, who is the wife of the hult Loufrigno,
who describes his assault on her. The list is endless,
joining me an all star panel, Jim Elliott, doctor Angela Arnold,
Cloyd Steiger, and Levi Page. Cloyd Steiger. Very often when
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you deal with a rapist, you will find they don't
go from zero to sixty mph overnight. They have a history,
and that's just what we see with Cosby. Agree or disagree? Oh,
absolutely agree. They you know, they start out small and
workede and grooming, which accelerates other things, rubbing against women
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and sometimes ultimately to whether it's forceful rave or drugging
somebody and rapping them like in this case. And it
just does. Yeah, it's a pattern of Behavior's who they are,
and there's not much they can do about it. I mean,
that's the thing. So people have to be protected from
those type of people. I want you to take a listen.
Just to add insult to injury. Throughout this Camille Cosby,
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Bill Cosby's wife has remained largely silent. Well, she broke
her silence, and I certainly wish she had not take
a listen to what she says, but me too. Movement
and movements like them have intentional ignorance pertaining to the
history particular white women, not all white women, but particular
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white women who have from the very beginning, pertaining to
the enslavement of African people, accused black males of sexual
thought without any proof whatsoever, no proof anywhere on the
face of the earth. And by glory that history, they
have put out a lie in itself, and that is
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because I'm female. I'm telling the truth. Well, history disproves
that as well, and gender has never ever equated with truth.
So they need to clean up their acts, and that
all of us, as women who have not participated in
any seeing nefarious, we know how women can lie. We
know how they can do the same things that men do.
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That some men do because they are good men and
bad men, they're good women and bad women. You have
called your husbands and cheesers a mob of women and
say that he was railroaded. What would be the motivation
for dozens of women to come forward with similar accusations
against your husband, accusing him of sexual soul? And also
we have to be mindful that they weren't all white.
I mean there were several black women in those who
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came forward. Yeah, just joining the group. You're hearing our
friend at ABC News that was Lindsay Davis questioning came
on Cosby. You know to doctor Angela Arnold, how blind?
What self induced blindness do you have to conjure up
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in order to believe one man, be it your husband
or not, versus sixty women and blame it on quote
women know how we are, how we can lie completely
discounting all these women and probably a lot more that
never came forward, then blaming it hopping on the misery
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surrounding the horrible attack on George Floyd using that and
then basically when that doesn't fit your argument as to
certain of the victims, you go, oh, they're all just
lying to just jumping on the bandwagon. I mean, how
can you ignore the truth? And I also believe Nancy
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when she when she says these things, it's going to
make anything else. She says completely unbelievable, because it's none
of what that is not true. How can and how
can you make such broad, sweeping judgments about everybody, about
every woman, who ever is going to say that they weren't.
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Women are never going to get anywhere, or are they.
They're not going to be able to say that they've
been assaulted if other women are going to come out
and say, well, you're just lying about that, They've got
an uptill battle to climb anyway, don't they. And I
was just hearing Lisa lot Lublin speaking to her my
longtime friend, doctor Phil describing how she was drugged and
raped by Cosby. So even right here, as we've been
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talking for these very few brief moments, we've already heard
the words of multiple victims, separated in time and space,
giving this same account. I want you too, now take
a listen to our friend Gloria Alread. I woke up
some time later hearing voices, and it was my friend
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Judy leaving. I was now in the living area on
the couch with my jeans unzipped and my blouse was open.
Bill Cosby came and sat down with me on the
couch and asked me if I was feeling okay. He
had me leaning against him on the couch while his
arm was around me, and it was then he put
his hands inside my open blouse. I remember him then
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helping me up the stairs to a bedroom. I was
in no condition to leave. I was so humiliated that
I had passed out, and I didn't know what had happened.
He had assured me that it was okay to take
the pills, but obviously it was not. I woke up
the next morning naked in bed with a naked Bill Cosby.
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He was touching my belly and on my genital area.
The phone rang and it seemed to be a business
so I got dressed and went downstairs to leave. I
was mortified at what had happened. He came down and
met me at the front door, and as he opened
the door for me, he stopped it part of the
way before I could get out, and he said these
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exact words, this is between you and me. That was
Gloria's client Janice Baker Kenny describing what happened to her.
I mean, who are you going to believe all this
one guy or all these people that tell the same story.
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You would have to believe that they all got together
somehow and they've all agreed to lie on Bill Cosby.
I mean, how likely is that? Jim? Very much not so.
I mean, obviously, again, I'm very confident to trial judge
consider this because I mean, they're a risk and bobbed
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with allowing these similar transaction. But I'm confident a judge
just a very good job and discerning what was appropriate
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time stories with Nancy Grace. You guys, we're talking about
Bill Cosby. It's not over yet, believe it or not.
As his wife Camille Cosby comes out fighting blaming the
Me Too movement, His case is on appeal, It's heading
to the highest court in Pennsylvania on multiple grounds. Take
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a listen to our friends at ABC News, as is
Lindsay Davis with a jurar from the case. What was
the evidence that made you sure beyond a reasonable doubt
that he was guilty? I think it was his deposition, Really,
Miss Crosby admitted to giving these coeludes to women, young
women in order to have sex with them. When Andrea
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was on the stand, did you believe her? Yes? What
about those other five women who tells about If you
hadn't heard from the other five and you just had
her word. Would that have mattered to I don't think so,
because in the deposition he stated that he gave these
drugs to other women. I don't think it really necessarily
mattered that these other five were more here because he
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said it himself that he drugs for other women. So
you found it to be his words that were the
most damning of all. Yeah, but when you entered the
room for the first time, were you sure that he
was guilty now? So what then made the difference for you?
Once you started deliberating, hearing everyone's comments about certain pieces
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of evidence and going through the different counts. So you
don't feel even now that it was an open and
shut case now, And that's what you want a gurar
to say. You don't want them coming in with their
mind made up. You want them to hear the evidence
and identify which was the most important evidence that led
to their decision, be at conviction or acquittaled. You were
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just hearing a Jerrard Harrison Snyder speaking with Lindsay Davis
about why the jury convicted Bill Cosby, and one of
the main reasons was that he admitted to giving women
queluds and having sex with them when you're passed out.
You can't give consent to sex. That is rape. It
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is not consensual sex because you can't give consent when
you're passed out, totally out of it to doctor Angela
Arnold psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta, exactly what is
a quelude? I know you, you know you're struck out
on Spanish fly? How about queylus? Can you answer that?
Arnold Aude is a sedative hypnotic. So it puts people
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to sleep, and it has horrific side effect. It's so
dangerous to do this to someone, and that's what it does.
It puts people to sleep. It can also have other
side effects in none it can make Mene have a
sustained erection. I don't know if he took the quelu
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because that would probably make him fall asleep, but it
makes people fall asleep. In a stunning decision that could
affect the framework not only similar transaction law, but the
me too movement that we have all fought so hard
to advance, and appellate court in Pennsylvania is going to
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hear claims by Bill Cosby that his case should be
reversed and thrown out if a higher court rules at
the prosecution in any way is guilty of misconduct, the
case could be thrown out with prejudice. That means with
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no retrial possible. That's what that means. So the first
claim is that the similar transactions should not have been
brought in and the second claim back do you leave?
Page refresh plays the second claims. The second claim, Nancy,
is that he was under a deposition in a civil
suit where he admitted that he gave women drugs to
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make them go to sleep. He admitted that he had
done that in the past before at parties. And Nancy,
you mentioned Spanish fly. What exactly that is. It's a
beatle in southern Europe which emits a chemical from it
to attract female partners, and it lures females to them
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during mating season. And in the eighties there was this
speculation that you could get these beetles and get that
chemical from them, and they would sell it as supplements.
It's mouth been debunked. It doesn't work with humans, but
people in fratrees and the eighties used to take this
and put it in female's dreams, thinking that it would
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make females attracted to them and be open to them sexually.
So that's what Bill Cosby was talking about, and he's
actually admitted to it in depositions. And his lawyers are saying, look,
he only agreed to do this deposition because he entered
into a no prosecution agreement with in the Andrea Constant
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case back when she first made the allegation and they
declined to press charges. They're saying it should have never
been allowed into evidence. As a matter of fact. Take
a listen to six ABC reporter Alicia Vitarelli. This is
a big break in this case, a big moment for
his team. Right now, the eighty two year old Cosby
is behind bars and Skippack Township, Montgomery County. I spoke
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with two members of his legal team today. They have
been appealing Cosby's conviction for the past two years. They
say the timing of this decision is big, especially given
current protests calling for racial justice and equality. Part of
the thing is criminal justice reform also, so we feel
that this is the road to vindication from mister Cosby,
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and we're very excited that state Supreme Court would even
consider agreeing to review his trial. The court has only
agreed to review two aspects of the case, as he
says he had with former District Attorney Bruce Castor that
he would give a deposition in a civil lawsuit only
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if he would never be charged in the case. But
that testimony from the civil case was admitted as evidenced
by another DA in the criminal trial in twenty eighteen. Guys,
you're hearing a lot of legal wrangling about Cosby's words
under oath in a civil deposition regarding Andrew Constant. He
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claims he had an immunity agreement that if he testified
under oath that the deposition, he would never be prosecuted
for that. Well, that immunity agreement came under attack, But
let's just cut the bs. Take a listen to Katherine
McKee speaking to the New York Daily News. So I
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arrived at the hotel, knocked on the door. He opened
the door. He was wearing a robe and a hat cap.
And I stepped in and he took the ribs out
of my hand, set them down on a table, shut
the door, pulled me to him, spun me around and
had his way with me. And it was very quick
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and very fast, and it wasn't even there was nothing
I was shocked because I had known him for such
a long time and we had a friendly friendship relationship,
and it stunned me. And it happened quick fast, bada boom,
over and out. I pulled myself together and went into
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the powder room, you know, straightened myself up, and Bill
went and got dressed, came back out and joined me in.
We left. Come on, let's go. We left. We went
to get in the car and go to this party,
which I was driving him, because that's why I had
come there, was to pick him up. So bottom line
to you, Jim Elliott, you're hearing yet another victim who
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I also spoke with, describing her rape at the hands
of Bill Cosby. How did the immunity agreement get tossed?
Was there ever really an immunity agreement to start with?
Let makes you wonder. I mean, I have to believe
he was not rich enough to give the civil deposition
without doing so. But I mean, you know, that's something
I think there's not an extensive news coverage about. I'm
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really curious to hear about the extent of the agreement
and it's bonding authority on other prosecutors and that sort
of thing. Well, I find it very difficult to believe
that a secret agreement that allows a very wealthy defendant
to get out of a rape case. Find it very
difficult to believe that that is going to be upheld,
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and basically leaving any attempt at justice snake bit. I
don't agree you can basically buy an immunity agreement, but
we'll see as justice unfolds. Bill Cosby appealing his case
to the highest court in Pennsylvania. Nancy Grace Crime Story
signing off goodbye friend,
Bill Cosby back in the headlines. Does it never end?
All those years he had of being America's dad, being
the big movie star, the number one comedian in the country,
and what was he doing molesting women, doping them and
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then molesting them raping them. He finally gets convicted after
a twenty or thirty year run, and now it's not over.
His case is rearing. It's ugly head. I want to
run as if I had seen a monster, But no,
you know what, I'm gonna fight crime stories with Nancy.
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Thank you for being with us. I mean it. See Grace,
this is crime Stories again. Thank you for being with
us here at Fox Nation. It's serious. ExM One eleven.
How in the hay is it back? He was convicted
by a jury, right, Remember all those women crying on
the stand, take a listen to this E news anchor.
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In a stunning ruling, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court will allow
Cosby to appeal two issues in his sexual assaults conviction.
Since twenty eight, the eighty two year old has been
serving a three to ten years sentence after a jury
convicted him of drugging and sexually assaulting a woman and
dracunstand in his home in two thousand and four. E
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News has obtained the court documents confirming Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ruling.
The court will review whether the jury should have heard
testimony from five other accusers about alleged assaults that were
not a part of the original charges. It will also
review the judge's decision to allow the trial to proceed
after Cosby was allegedly promised immunity by former prosecutor and
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then agreed to be questions during depositions in two thousand
and five and two thousand and six. Okay, let me
just boil that down. What the court is saying is
the case has not been reversed. That hasn't happened. But
Cosby has the right to appeal his case on two grounds,
at least two major grounds. They'll probably throw in the
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standard grounds like insufficient evidence. They always say that there's
not enough evidence to convict me, even though a jury
did convict them. They might say ineffective assistance of counsel,
because that always get raised. You pay a guy a
million dollars to represent you, and then on appeal you're
sitting in your jail cell wondering how can I get
out of here. You then claim, oh, he did a
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horrible job. This is what he did wrong. Those don't
concern me. These two do concern now that I agree
with them, but they concern me. Guys joining me an
all star panel. First of all, very famous in his region.
Lawyer Jim Elliott with Butler Snowy is legal counsel for
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multiple municipalities like cities, counties. Also with me, psychiatrists doctor
Angela Arnold joining me from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Cloyd Stiger
thirty six years Seattle PD, twenty two of those years
on homicide. He's seen it all. He is also the
author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant. You
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can find him at Cloyd Stiger dot com, but straight
out to Levi Page, investigative reporter with Crime online dot com,
where you can find this and all other breaking crime
and justice news you know must Nobody can say it
better than one of the victims herself. Take a listen
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to what Janice Dickinson, as she calls herself America's first supermodel,
tells me. Janice Dickinson, supermodel and reality TV star, is
joining us. Mistakenson, thank you for being with us. I
can't breathe because of Bill Cosby. What do you mean?
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I can't breathe because I haven't slept in weeks, and
you know, I just you know, you know, with everything
that's going on, I haven't been able to breathe. Like
the whole nation is doing right now protesting. I am
protesting because of the unresolved issues due to rape from
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Bill Cosby. I'm just starting to exhale. And I will
say this, you know, I sobbed all weekend, not just
for me, for what's going on with these other women.
I'm in huge gratitude to the Los Angeles Police Department.
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You know, thank you guys and gals out there. You know,
it's about time that this guy gets his cup up.
And you were hearing America's first supermodel, Janice Dickinson, described
her reaction to waiting for justice for Bill Cosby. You know,
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the other day I heard Eddie Murphy, who was hilarious
ever since he did Doctor Dolittle, well ever since he
was in coming to America. You know, who could not
be an Eddie Murphy fan. But he was saying, how
Cosb became jack out and have you heard this? And
lectured him on being a good example, lectured Eddie Murphy,
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and the other day Eddie Murphy was saying, Wow, check
it out, America's dad. Who's America's dad? Now you're in jail.
And I've got ten children and I'm supporting and taking
care of all of them, however many children he has.
And I'm just thinking about how Cosby used to lecture
everybody on how to be a better person. You know,
leave my page. I know I was going to you
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for the facts, but let me go to doctor Angela Arnold.
Doctor Arnold, I don't want you to give any personal story,
but and all of your personal to you that happened
to you. But when a person goes through trauma, be
at a sex attack, be it you know, your loved
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one getting murdered right before your wedding, any traumatic event,
I believe. And I'm just a JD. You're the MD
and a shrink. You're left with not only the injustice
of what happened to you or your loved one, but
this feeling of helplessness and then certain things for the
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rest of your life trigger that. And women think, oh
why did I one two three wear a short skirt
go out that night to a barbed drink, that drink,
blah blah blah. It goes on and on and on.
I have interviewed spoken with so many of Cosby's victims,
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and they all say, oh, I was so stupid. I
feel in the blank, as if they somehow contributed to
being raped. And I'm hearing who I consider to be
a friend. She may not even remember me, but Janice
Dickinson telling me her story, and her voice got higher
and higher, and hire and hire. I'm giving my chill,
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myself chills just remembering it as she recounted what Cosby
did to her. And now he's manipulating the justice system,
just like he manipulated all these women. I have no
doubt in my mind. Dickinson and all the other women
were telling the truth. Does it ever go away? Doctor?
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And she does it ever go away? Dia? Ever wake
up one morning and you don't feel helpless, and you
don't feel like you can't breathe as she was saying,
does it ever quit? No, it's certainly waxes and wanes.
And there are very specific kinds of therapy that people
can have that will help them dissociate their actual feelings
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from the actual trauma that they experienced. I'll just never
forget speaking to her, and I can tell you this much.
It has not subsided for her or so many others
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time stories with Nancy Grace. What's happening right now is
Cosby was convicted on the attack regarding Andrew Constat catch this,
catch this, and want you to hear what here's our
attorneys are saying. Now, take a listen to this E
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News anchor. Following the ruling, a spokesperson for Cosby told
E News in a statement that they were extremely thankful
to the States Supreme Court or Pennsylvania for agreeing to
review the appeal, adding America and the world is witnessing
the twenty third day of protests regarding the abuse and
murder of black people. Not just that the hands of
corrupt police officers, but these extremely vital and important protests
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are exposing the corruption that lies within the criminal justice system.
District attorneys and judges. Andrea Constans released her own public
statement asking the State's court to reconsider releasing Cosby back
into the community. While everyone deserves for their cries and
appeals to be heard, even convicted criminals. If anyone's cries
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matter most right now, it's a women who have lifted
their voice and selflessly put themselves in harm's way, such
as a prior bad act witnesses. In my case, they
are the true heroes. So basically, Bill Cosby is jumping
on the injustices committed upon victims like George Floyd and
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claiming that somehow he has been victimized. To leave my
page Crime online dot Com investigative report, what exactly is happening.
So Nancy Cosby was found guilty of three counts of
aggravated indecent assaults in twenty eighteen, and he was sentenced
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to three to ten years in state prison. And now
his attorneys are appealing that. They say it's unfair that
five unrelated accusers were allowed to testify in his twenty
eighteen sex assault trial. They also are one of those
people was Janice Dickinson, who you just played audio love
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and she alleged Nancy and she testified to this at
the trial that Cosby had been following her career, invited
her to his hotel. Remember she was a glamorous model
in the eighties. This is when this allegedly she still
glamorously Page your glasses go ahead and gave her wine
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and a pill, and she said she fell asleep in
his hotel room after drinking wine being drugged, and she
woke up to him raping her. She wanted to include
this in her autobiography, but her publisher cut it out.
They say, we're afraid to be suited, so we're not
including this. But there is evidence to back up what
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she's saying, because in twenty two thousand and six, she
was being interviewed on Howard Stern and she said Bill
Cosby had been inappropriate with me. But I'm not going
to go into details because I'm scared. But Nancy, a
lot of women. Yeah, it's funny how you get sued
for telling the truth. Yeah, that happens. Go ahead, if
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you came forward, Nancy. After the Me Too movement broke out,
and sixty women have accused Bill Cosby of sex assault.
So Cosby's lawyers are upset. You know, I really like you.
I like you a lot. But reality, you said they're
complaining because unrelated victims. Right, No, you said unrelated accusers.
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Hold your horses, little boy, because these are not unrelated accusers.
Their stories were heard by the judge and they were
deemed to be similar transactions incidents committed by Bill Cosby
in the past that are so similar to his attack
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on Andrew Constat that they prove motive, modus operandi, method
of operation, course of conduct, frame of mind. Basically fingerprint
crimes so identical to the case in chief that one
tends to prove the other. In other words, a similar
transaction victims, not unrelated accusers prove the case in chief.
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That's what a similar transaction is, is is it not? Jim
elliott Yeah, certainly an answer that cut upotit section four
or four B among people in your world, and you know,
and I'm confident you know what, Jim elliott I always
loved it on elevators in the courthouse when lawyers would
start saying things like you just did spouting out section
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four O, four A B, subparagraph dot dot I, or
even better, when they try to use Latin terms they
learned in law school like racips a loquatur, or there's
so many to pick from and you just watched the jury.
Eyes just glaze over. Okay, that's sad. Similar bad, go ahead,
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go crazy, okay, similar transactions. And so I mean, I
think what's gonna happen oftimoy Supreme Court's going to conclude,
and the trial judge made a very thorough analysis and
found that the prior acts, the other similar transactions were
relevant to the case. And I think this claim goes away.
I think you're right, and I mean, think about it.
You just heard Levi Page say there were at least
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sixty other women that made sex attack claims on Bill Cosby,
and only these five were allowed in front of the
jury as similar transaction events, which is allowed in court.
I brought in so many similar transactions. I don't even
know how many I brought in in cases that I
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tried in front of juries. But right now, guys, I
want you to take a listen to this, let me hear,
let me find what I want to hear. It is
Bill Cosby himself speaking to my old friend Larry King.
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Listen to this. Spanish fly was the thing that all
boys at from age eleven on up to death. We
will still be searching for Spanish flyer. And and what
was the old The old story was if you took
a little drop, it was on the head of a pint,
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matter it didn't make it, and the girl would drink it.
And she's hello, American straight out to doctor Angela Arnold,
medical doctor and psychiatrist. What is Spanish fly? I don't know, Nancy.
I'm so nate. I would need to look that up.
I'm so sorry. I'll out Spanish fly well. I met
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Clorde Stiger nos Clode Stiger. Spanish fly. The name has
come up in so many sects at cases. Great. What
is it? It's allegedly an aphrodisiac that will turn them
in onto you or something. I don't know. I don't
have any personal experience with it. I'm glad to hear that.
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In the Cosby assault trial, Queludes came into evidence. His
admitted use to using Spanish fly on women that he
wanted to rape did not come into evidence. What came
into evidence was his surreptitious doping of women and once
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they would pass out, he would then proceed to rape them.
Many of them describe him even wearing the same bathrobe
every time, women that were separated in time and space.
As a matter of fact, take a listen to what
our friend Janice Dickinson tells me, Janics, what was the
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preach hands of flying you there? He told me that
I was going to get a job on the Cosby Show.
That I was going he was going to get you know,
talk to me about, you know, putting me on the
Cosby Show. And he also told me, you know, I
heard you were singing, you want a singing career, because
he knew prior to that that I had been in
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rehab in nineteen eighty two, you know, and he had
heard because he contacted me in rehab. Then you know,
sent me a couple dozen red roses, this married pig,
and he told me that he wanted me to h
He'll have someone hit there helping me with my questions
career of if a married man sent me a couple
of dozen roses, I would, I would. I mean, it's
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a different it's different. And women, you know what I mean.
If you get flowers or something or fruit, but when
you get red roses, a dozen long stem red roses,
that sends a completely different message. You're hearing the voice
of supermodel Janice Dickinson telling me about how Bill Cosby
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raped her crime stories with Nancy Grace right now. Believe
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it or not, Cosby's conviction is in jeopardy. The case
is being appealed based on two major claims. There will
be other claims thrown in the pot, just throwing it out,
see what sticks. The two that are concerning. Number one
is the claim that the judge allowing similar transactions. Five
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other women testify as to their rape at the hand
of by Bill Cosby, one of them as Janice Dickinson.
Take a listen to this. Bill Cosby called me out
of the blue and he said, can you come by
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and see me? And I was like, of course, And
I went up to his hotel and I was alone,
and he talked about let me see what type of
acting skills you have. I want you to improv. And
as I tried to do improv, he fixed a drink
and then he brought it to me. It was a
brown liquid and it looked like a shot. I told
him I didn't drink. He said that this was going
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to relax me so that the lines would flow out
a lot easier. So I did drink it. He made
a second drink and add me drink the second drink
as well. I noticed myself getting on the edge of
the couch. He said, come over here and have a seat.
He had his legs open and when I sat down,
I was sitting down in between his legs with my
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back to his crotch. He started to stroke my hair
back in a petting motion like this. The last things
I remember is just feeling the strokes on my head.
After that, I don't remember anything else. I remember speaking
with Janice Dickinson with so many other of his victims.
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Karla Frigno, who is the wife of the hult Loufrigno,
who describes his assault on her. The list is endless,
joining me an all star panel, Jim Elliott, doctor Angela Arnold,
Cloyd Steiger, and Levi Page. Cloyd Steiger. Very often when
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you deal with a rapist, you will find they don't
go from zero to sixty mph overnight. They have a history,
and that's just what we see with Cosby. Agree or disagree? Oh,
absolutely agree. They you know, they start out small and
workede and grooming, which accelerates other things, rubbing against women
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and sometimes ultimately to whether it's forceful rave or drugging
somebody and rapping them like in this case. And it
just does. Yeah, it's a pattern of Behavior's who they are,
and there's not much they can do about it. I mean,
that's the thing. So people have to be protected from
those type of people. I want you to take a listen.
Just to add insult to injury. Throughout this Camille Cosby,
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Bill Cosby's wife has remained largely silent. Well, she broke
her silence, and I certainly wish she had not take
a listen to what she says, but me too. Movement
and movements like them have intentional ignorance pertaining to the
history particular white women, not all white women, but particular
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white women who have from the very beginning, pertaining to
the enslavement of African people, accused black males of sexual
thought without any proof whatsoever, no proof anywhere on the
face of the earth. And by glory that history, they
have put out a lie in itself, and that is
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because I'm female. I'm telling the truth. Well, history disproves
that as well, and gender has never ever equated with truth.
So they need to clean up their acts, and that
all of us, as women who have not participated in
any seeing nefarious, we know how women can lie. We
know how they can do the same things that men do.
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That some men do because they are good men and
bad men, they're good women and bad women. You have
called your husbands and cheesers a mob of women and
say that he was railroaded. What would be the motivation
for dozens of women to come forward with similar accusations
against your husband, accusing him of sexual soul? And also
we have to be mindful that they weren't all white.
I mean there were several black women in those who
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came forward. Yeah, just joining the group. You're hearing our
friend at ABC News that was Lindsay Davis questioning came
on Cosby. You know to doctor Angela Arnold, how blind?
What self induced blindness do you have to conjure up
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in order to believe one man, be it your husband
or not, versus sixty women and blame it on quote
women know how we are, how we can lie completely
discounting all these women and probably a lot more that
never came forward, then blaming it hopping on the misery
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surrounding the horrible attack on George Floyd using that and
then basically when that doesn't fit your argument as to
certain of the victims, you go, oh, they're all just
lying to just jumping on the bandwagon. I mean, how
can you ignore the truth? And I also believe Nancy
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when she when she says these things, it's going to
make anything else. She says completely unbelievable, because it's none
of what that is not true. How can and how
can you make such broad, sweeping judgments about everybody, about
every woman, who ever is going to say that they weren't.
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Women are never going to get anywhere, or are they.
They're not going to be able to say that they've
been assaulted if other women are going to come out
and say, well, you're just lying about that, They've got
an uptill battle to climb anyway, don't they. And I
was just hearing Lisa lot Lublin speaking to her my
longtime friend, doctor Phil describing how she was drugged and
raped by Cosby. So even right here, as we've been
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talking for these very few brief moments, we've already heard
the words of multiple victims, separated in time and space,
giving this same account. I want you too, now take
a listen to our friend Gloria Alread. I woke up
some time later hearing voices, and it was my friend
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Judy leaving. I was now in the living area on
the couch with my jeans unzipped and my blouse was open.
Bill Cosby came and sat down with me on the
couch and asked me if I was feeling okay. He
had me leaning against him on the couch while his
arm was around me, and it was then he put
his hands inside my open blouse. I remember him then
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helping me up the stairs to a bedroom. I was
in no condition to leave. I was so humiliated that
I had passed out, and I didn't know what had happened.
He had assured me that it was okay to take
the pills, but obviously it was not. I woke up
the next morning naked in bed with a naked Bill Cosby.
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He was touching my belly and on my genital area.
The phone rang and it seemed to be a business
so I got dressed and went downstairs to leave. I
was mortified at what had happened. He came down and
met me at the front door, and as he opened
the door for me, he stopped it part of the
way before I could get out, and he said these
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exact words, this is between you and me. That was
Gloria's client Janice Baker Kenny describing what happened to her.
I mean, who are you going to believe all this
one guy or all these people that tell the same story.
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You would have to believe that they all got together
somehow and they've all agreed to lie on Bill Cosby.
I mean, how likely is that? Jim? Very much not so.
I mean, obviously, again, I'm very confident to trial judge
consider this because I mean, they're a risk and bobbed
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with allowing these similar transaction. But I'm confident a judge
just a very good job and discerning what was appropriate
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time stories with Nancy Grace. You guys, we're talking about
Bill Cosby. It's not over yet, believe it or not.
As his wife Camille Cosby comes out fighting blaming the
Me Too movement, His case is on appeal, It's heading
to the highest court in Pennsylvania on multiple grounds. Take
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a listen to our friends at ABC News, as is
Lindsay Davis with a jurar from the case. What was
the evidence that made you sure beyond a reasonable doubt
that he was guilty? I think it was his deposition, Really,
Miss Crosby admitted to giving these coeludes to women, young
women in order to have sex with them. When Andrea
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was on the stand, did you believe her? Yes? What
about those other five women who tells about If you
hadn't heard from the other five and you just had
her word. Would that have mattered to I don't think so,
because in the deposition he stated that he gave these
drugs to other women. I don't think it really necessarily
mattered that these other five were more here because he
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said it himself that he drugs for other women. So
you found it to be his words that were the
most damning of all. Yeah, but when you entered the
room for the first time, were you sure that he
was guilty now? So what then made the difference for you?
Once you started deliberating, hearing everyone's comments about certain pieces
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of evidence and going through the different counts. So you
don't feel even now that it was an open and
shut case now, And that's what you want a gurar
to say. You don't want them coming in with their
mind made up. You want them to hear the evidence
and identify which was the most important evidence that led
to their decision, be at conviction or acquittaled. You were
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just hearing a Jerrard Harrison Snyder speaking with Lindsay Davis
about why the jury convicted Bill Cosby, and one of
the main reasons was that he admitted to giving women
queluds and having sex with them when you're passed out.
You can't give consent to sex. That is rape. It
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is not consensual sex because you can't give consent when
you're passed out, totally out of it to doctor Angela
Arnold psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta, exactly what is
a quelude? I know you, you know you're struck out
on Spanish fly? How about queylus? Can you answer that?
Arnold Aude is a sedative hypnotic. So it puts people
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to sleep, and it has horrific side effect. It's so
dangerous to do this to someone, and that's what it does.
It puts people to sleep. It can also have other
side effects in none it can make Mene have a
sustained erection. I don't know if he took the quelu
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because that would probably make him fall asleep, but it
makes people fall asleep. In a stunning decision that could
affect the framework not only similar transaction law, but the
me too movement that we have all fought so hard
to advance, and appellate court in Pennsylvania is going to
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hear claims by Bill Cosby that his case should be
reversed and thrown out if a higher court rules at
the prosecution in any way is guilty of misconduct, the
case could be thrown out with prejudice. That means with
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no retrial possible. That's what that means. So the first
claim is that the similar transactions should not have been
brought in and the second claim back do you leave?
Page refresh plays the second claims. The second claim, Nancy,
is that he was under a deposition in a civil
suit where he admitted that he gave women drugs to
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make them go to sleep. He admitted that he had
done that in the past before at parties. And Nancy,
you mentioned Spanish fly. What exactly that is. It's a
beatle in southern Europe which emits a chemical from it
to attract female partners, and it lures females to them
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during mating season. And in the eighties there was this
speculation that you could get these beetles and get that
chemical from them, and they would sell it as supplements.
It's mouth been debunked. It doesn't work with humans, but
people in fratrees and the eighties used to take this
and put it in female's dreams, thinking that it would
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make females attracted to them and be open to them sexually.
So that's what Bill Cosby was talking about, and he's
actually admitted to it in depositions. And his lawyers are saying, look,
he only agreed to do this deposition because he entered
into a no prosecution agreement with in the Andrea Constant
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case back when she first made the allegation and they
declined to press charges. They're saying it should have never
been allowed into evidence. As a matter of fact. Take
a listen to six ABC reporter Alicia Vitarelli. This is
a big break in this case, a big moment for
his team. Right now, the eighty two year old Cosby
is behind bars and Skippack Township, Montgomery County. I spoke
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with two members of his legal team today. They have
been appealing Cosby's conviction for the past two years. They
say the timing of this decision is big, especially given
current protests calling for racial justice and equality. Part of
the thing is criminal justice reform also, so we feel
that this is the road to vindication from mister Cosby,
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and we're very excited that state Supreme Court would even
consider agreeing to review his trial. The court has only
agreed to review two aspects of the case, as he
says he had with former District Attorney Bruce Castor that
he would give a deposition in a civil lawsuit only
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if he would never be charged in the case. But
that testimony from the civil case was admitted as evidenced
by another DA in the criminal trial in twenty eighteen. Guys,
you're hearing a lot of legal wrangling about Cosby's words
under oath in a civil deposition regarding Andrew Constant. He
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claims he had an immunity agreement that if he testified
under oath that the deposition, he would never be prosecuted
for that. Well, that immunity agreement came under attack, But
let's just cut the bs. Take a listen to Katherine
McKee speaking to the New York Daily News. So I
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arrived at the hotel, knocked on the door. He opened
the door. He was wearing a robe and a hat cap.
And I stepped in and he took the ribs out
of my hand, set them down on a table, shut
the door, pulled me to him, spun me around and
had his way with me. And it was very quick
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and very fast, and it wasn't even there was nothing
I was shocked because I had known him for such
a long time and we had a friendly friendship relationship,
and it stunned me. And it happened quick fast, bada boom,
over and out. I pulled myself together and went into
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the powder room, you know, straightened myself up, and Bill
went and got dressed, came back out and joined me in.
We left. Come on, let's go. We left. We went
to get in the car and go to this party,
which I was driving him, because that's why I had
come there, was to pick him up. So bottom line
to you, Jim Elliott, you're hearing yet another victim who
(35:18):
I also spoke with, describing her rape at the hands
of Bill Cosby. How did the immunity agreement get tossed?
Was there ever really an immunity agreement to start with?
Let makes you wonder. I mean, I have to believe
he was not rich enough to give the civil deposition
without doing so. But I mean, you know, that's something
I think there's not an extensive news coverage about. I'm
(35:39):
really curious to hear about the extent of the agreement
and it's bonding authority on other prosecutors and that sort
of thing. Well, I find it very difficult to believe
that a secret agreement that allows a very wealthy defendant
to get out of a rape case. Find it very
difficult to believe that that is going to be upheld,
(36:02):
and basically leaving any attempt at justice snake bit. I
don't agree you can basically buy an immunity agreement, but
we'll see as justice unfolds. Bill Cosby appealing his case
to the highest court in Pennsylvania. Nancy Grace Crime Story
signing off goodbye friend,
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