June 24, 2020 • 37 mins
Private first class Vanessa Guillen has been missing for over two months. Now the Army says “foul play” is involved in her disappearance. Searches at Fort Hood are ongoing, but there are few leads. The leads investigators did have are falling apart as a supervisor who said he say Guillen now says he didn’t.
Joining Nancy Grace today:
- Myra Guillen- Sister of Vanessa
- Jim Elliott- Attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel for various Georgia municipalities and other governmental entities
- Dr. Angela Arnold Psychiatrist, Atlanta Ga
- Cloyd Steiger – 36 years with Seattle Police Department, 22-year homicide detective, Author of “Seattle’s Forgotten Serial Killer-Gary Gene Grant”
- Olivia Levada- Reporter, KXXV TV
- Tim Miller- Texas EquuSearch founder
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
A gorgeous a man goes missing, and to compound it,
she's a soldier. According to many, the Army seemingly is
closing ranks around the search for Vanessa. But why crime
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stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime
stories and let's kick it off. Take a listen to this.
Investigators say, the twenty year old soldier was last seen
April twenty second at one pm. There was a fellow
where girl she was Sney that would co hold that
it was world party to your wife being like a dame.
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Do you know it would be easy for her to
choose the other route and let her. She would come
home every weekend to Myra, says her sisters the world
to her, and she'd do anything to find her. I
love her and I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna
stop until I have her whistles, because I mean, I'm
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time with the army. CID is encouraging anyone with information
to come forward, even if you choose to remain anonymous.
What the hay is going on? She's been missing since April. Guys,
you're just hearing our friend Nis your poor Jasmine Caldwell.
Where is Vanessa? Joining me right now and all star
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paddles starting with Jim Elliott, renowned detorney, joining us from
butlersnow dot com representing multiple municipalities. Doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists
joining me from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Cloyd Steiger thirty six
years Seattle PD twenty two of that a homicide author
of Seattle's Forgotten serial killer, Gary Jane Grant. You can
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find him at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Our longtime friend
and colleague from Texas Equisearch, a victim turned victim's hero,
Tim Miller. But right now straight out to Olivia, Levada
with k x x v TV. Olivia, thank you for
being with us. I don't like this one bit. We've
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been on this case from the beginning and I've seen
little to none movement on the search for Vanessa. In fact,
as you know, Olivia, I have just been gone on
an RV trip with my children and I hear remains
found near fort Hood and I went, oh, dear Lord
in Heaven, it's it's Vanessa. Turns out, if somebody else
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that's been missing from fort Hood for a year, I'll
circle back to the other missing person, the other dead body.
Let's focus on Vanessa. Let's start at the beginning. Olivia,
I feel like the Army's not really helping as much
as it should, and I wonder are they trying to
cover something up. I can't help but wonder that. I
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don't want to accuse them, but when they're not forthcoming,
it seems to take on a nefarious bent. Let's stick
with the facts. Start at the beginning, when Vanessa goes missing,
Olivia Levada, Yes, Nancy, Well, Vanessa Gain has been missing
since April twenty seconds, so that is just over two months.
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We know that she is assigned to the third Cavalry
Regiment here at Courthood, and she was last seen on
April twenty second in the parking lot of her Regimental
Engineer squadron. That's the last time someone saw her. Now
you say, Olivia Levada, that she was last seen April
twenty two near her regimental squadron. So let me narrow
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in on that. Was she inside or outside when they
saw her? They saw her in a parking lot. Parking lot.
When you say squadron, does that I mean near her
where she was working or near where she lived her
barracks near where she was working. Okay, how close were
her barracks where she lived too, where she worked. I
do not know the answer to that. I'm very curious
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about that. I wonder if she's leaving work or if
she is coming back to work at what time of
the day was that she was last spotted, Olivia, if
you could refresh my recollection, there's been some discrepancies with
the timeline, but we know that she was seen sometime
around in the afternoon, around noon or one, and the
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last time she actually had correspondence with eleven thirty now
right there, Kloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle, PD. I
would think of all places the army would have surveillance videos,
so why don't we know what times she was in
the parking lots? Yeah, I was exactly thinking that same thing.
There must be surveillance videos all over there, the gate parts,
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coming and going from the fort. I don't know why.
Maybe they do have something they're just not sharing it.
I don't know why. I wonder why they wouldn't because
that would have her exact outfit on it and everything
you need to start a search back to you, Olivia
Leveda k x x V TV Olivia. It's my understanding
she was not in a typical army uniform. Please don't
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get me wrong. My father was in the military, my
father in law was in the military. All for the military.
But when it comes to a missing person, I would
think that they would have that security surveillance video released
asap day one and I haven't seen any of it.
And the reason I ask is because she wasn't wearing
a typical army style uniform. To my understanding, what was
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she wearing when she went missing? Olivia? She was wearing
a black tshirt and leggings, A black tshirt and leggings,
and that was okay to wear that to work? Am
I correct? That's what she was wearing. That's what we
were told she was wearing. It is interesting that she
wasn't in uniform. I've been informed that that is okay
to where to work. And what exactly did she'd do Olivia,
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Based on what she did, specifically what was her job
within the military, I know that on that day she
was working in the armory room. To you, Tim Miller,
Texas Equisearch guys. Tim Miller his family a crime victim
of themselves. When his daughter goes missing and has found dead,
who takes upon himself to start looking for missing people
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and has devoted his life to that. Tim Miller specifically,
she worked in the armory and that is a hands
on technical job. She was not required to wear full
army uniform. I have been told. The reason I'm bringing
that out, Tim Miller, is because for anyone looking for
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Vanessa Gein, she's not gonna have been wearing green camouflage
fatigues that day. That's not what she had on. And
I'm curious, and I'm wondering if you are too, why
surveillance video of her exactly in that outfit has not
been released by Forthood And this is just the tip
of the iceberg. Well, you know what, Nancy, that's a
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that's a good question. But they did not have surveillance. Uh,
you know, everybody was kind of beating the military up
in the beginning, and still today there was no surveillance.
She actually was not supposed to work that they and
then she got called in the work, which there's a
big question mark why why that happened? So when when
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she was reportedly last seen us, there is a lot
of discrepancy in that whether she really was last seen
or not. Now this is that actually the fifth time
that we've been up here, and and you know, in
a perfect world, we're going to have surveillance cameras. In
the perfect world, somebody seeing something's going to come forward,
and unfortunately we don't live at that perfect world. We
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somebody finally did come forward. They thought that they saw something,
and as we know, nancy to go ahead and get
to phone records and credit card records and things like that,
we have to have a judge go ahead and signed,
and there's got to be reasons for them to sign,
and we can't go deep in the investigation. But you know,
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somebody did come forward, they thought they saw something. It
was very credible information, so then they could go ahead
and get the pen on some things. And that's what
actually put us out there by the Leon River where
we were searching. I'm not going to say what we
found out there. Of course, we did not find her.
We didn't find her in the search continues, but we
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certainly found things that appear to be evidence that was
taken in and literally being processed as we speak. I
think that we're getting closer. I feel as if some
things are going to break In defense to the military,
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of course, they really did not have anything to go on,
and again as if somebody would have came forward earlier,
we probably would not be here today. But now, of
course we got to work with what we have. You're
so right about that to Millerne, as you said to
start with, it's not always a perfect world. You say
there was not surveillance video, but I find it very
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difficult to believe that there's not somebody manning a yate
or a post going in and out of forhood that
would have been able to identify Vanessa again if she
had left that day Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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we were talking about the disappearance of a gorgeous young
girl just twenty years old. She was in small arm
machinery repair for some reason, as you just heard, she
was not supposed to work that day, but she mysteriously
got called in and then goes missing basically before lunchtime
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is done. One sargeant came forward and said that he
saw her, and then later recanted that. Why now we're
hearing no surveillance video in the area where she went missing.
Who would have known there were no cameras there? Where
is twenty year old Vanessa Gain Take a listen now
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to KCN TV news anchor. Military officials needing your help
locating this missing Fort Hood soldier. This is twenty year
old Private First Class Vanessa go In. She was lasting
Wednesday afternoon and the parking lot of her squadron headquarters
on base. Authority say her car, keys, ID card, and
wallet were all found in the armory room where she
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was working earlier in the day. A be on the
Lookout or BOLO known as has been issued to surrounding
law enforcement and an extensive search is underway. Gillian is
by foot two, one hundred and twenty six pounds and
was last seen wearing a black shirt. Anyone with information
on her whereabouts should call military police. Did Jim Elliott,
attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel for multiple municipalities. Jim Elliott,
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You earlier heard Tim Miller for Texas Equisearch state that
there was not really enough evidence for PC probable cause
to get cell phone records, credit card ATM and so forth.
I completely disagree. The family has repeated over and over
that she would not have left without telling them. There's
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no sign, hide her hair off, her her cell phone,
her car keys, her up, her car keys, her ID
card and her wallet, not cell phone. We're all found
in the armory room where she had been king that day,
but she's not seen since lunchtime. If you were going
to go on a walk about or disappear off with
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your boyfriend, let's say, on your own, you wouldn't leave
in the middle of a work day. She had been
called into work. If you were going to leave and
didn't want anyone to find you, you would leave after work,
not just go a wall at work. So what does
it take to get a subpoena ducas teak in a
subpoena for documents for instance, cell phone wreckers, triangulation, that
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sort of evidence we really need. What do you have
to do, Jim Elliott? Well, you know what you have
here is kind of an interesting mix of jurisdictions because
you have a local police and then you have of
course the federal property and the right of the military
police to control the matter. So that probably played a role, frankly,
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and hesitation to move forward, be specific, be blunt with me,
what do you mean it probably played a role? What
probably played a role in what the local police probably
were hesitant to exert jurisdiction because of the role of
the Milton police and the federal government well, in other words,
they're stepping on their own. Let me just say belt
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take a listen now to ABC thirteen Houston News reporter
Steve Campbell. Vanessa Gain's sister says the missing soldiers parents
keep pleading for information, praying for a miracle. The Army
is battling back, rowing criticism and outrage on social media
that they're not doing enough to find one of their own.
The Army released photos saying they show soldiers searching Forthood
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for any sign in the missing twenty year old. A
sergeant said in a news release, quote, no one really
understands how much we're searching. I hope we can find her.
And as much as I know America has faith in
us to protect this country and to fight for our nation,
I feel like they should have faith in us to
know that we are doing everything possible to find her.
End quote. Texas Equisearch told us they'll be back in
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Clean next week helping the military. The news comes just
a day after the Army says they're launching an investigation
into allegations Gian was sexually harassed on base prior to
her disappearance. It's hard because if it happened inside the
military base, it has to be someone that had access
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to get inside. Every time that I come, I get fingerprinted,
picture taken, everything, driver's license checked, everything, so I'm allowed in.
You're hearing the voice of Vanessa's sister Myra, just to
get on base to see her sister. Now keep this
in mind, the sister Vanessa who's missing, is at the
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army base Furthood. The family lives a couple of hours away, Jackie.
If you could remind me how far away they live,
like an hour and a half, two hours away, and
Vanessa would come home every weekend to see her family
and her boyfriend. And let me tell you right up front,
the boyfriend has been placed in a different city at
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the time Vanessa goes missing. That's the first place you
always look. So if the sister has to go through
that in order to get on base, that tells me
some stranger didn't look on the base and snatch Vanessa.
Now straight back out to Olivia Levada k x x VTV.
What can you tell me about these sex harassment complaints
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one that she Vanessa spoke of just before she goes missing. Yes, so,
from my understanding, from what I've been told. A few
weeks before she went missing, she shared with several sexual
harassment encounters. What I was told is there was one
instance where a sergeant walked in on Vanessa when she
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was showering, and she felt very uncomfortable about that. Another
example that's been shared by the family is that a
sergeant was saying something inappropriate in Spanish to Vanessa. And
they've also shared that a sergeant a sergeant had been
following her when she ran and as she exercised. Okay,
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right there, Chloe Sier thirty six years Seattle, p. D.
Twenty two of that on homicide. You got a guy
allegedly following you when you jog. I mean, hello, that's
like a red flag being waved right in her face,
is Floyd? Yeah, sure, you know, And that'd be it
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shouldn't be that difficult to identify this guy and find
out where he was and check his alibi and zero
down on him. Who knows if they've done that, but
he's obviously the first place to check. After year, right,
the boyfriend would be the first place. Not so much
on a military basis, he's not military. His access as
a problem. So the first thing you got to know
is the guy who did this is probably military and
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go from there and this is the first place you look.
Yeahs again in defense of the army. Fort Hood is
about two hundred fourteen thousand acres, so that's a huge
area to search. Jackie's telling me the family is in Houston,
about three hours away, so it's my understanding Vanessa would
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go home on weekends. Very curious the way this whole
thing is playing out. Joining me right now is are
announce psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold. Doctor Angela,
do you know the vast majority of women that are
sex harassed at work never say a word? Why is that?
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Doctor Angela? I believe it's for the exact reason that
Vanessa said a word. They're they're fearful for their job.
Who's how do they know how that is going to
be taken? And it's it goes on. I'm sorry, you're
cutting out on me. Could you repeat that place? It
goes on all the time, Nancy. I have patience come
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to my office. I have all different kinds of patients
that come and see me, and they talk to me
about the sexual harassment all the time. And how there
is absolutely no one that they can talk to about
that because they fear for their job. Or let's say,
if you are in a position just let's just pretend
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as a prosecutor and you get sex harassed by let's
just say a judge, what are you going to do?
Jeopardize your case and let the victims down cause the mistrial,
I mean there are put yourself and yeah, and whatever
judge would want you put yourself in Vanessa's shoes if
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she was being if she were being sex harassed at
work and she complained, would it ruin her career in
the army, which she had always wanted to do. She
had always wanted to be in the Army. Crime Stories
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with Nancy Grace, we were talking about the disappearance of
a beautiful twenty year old young woman whose future was
bright within the Army. Now her family is begging to
help find her. For us to help find her, the
tip line is two five four four nine to five
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seven seven six seven repeat two five four four nine
five seven seven six seven. Now that is for the
Army CID. I want to give you another number. This
is for the League of United Latin American Citizens two
one four nine four one eighty three hundred two one
four nine four one eighty three hundred. Won't you help us?
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Please find Vanessa. I've spoken at length with her sister,
who was often too straught to even speak of it. Guys,
I find it very difficult to believe that there's no
connection between Vanessa discussing sex harassment at work and then
suddenly she goes missing. Take a listen to KHOU eleven's
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reporter David Gonzalez. The twenty year old soldier was last
seen on April twenty second. Her cell phone has not
been found, but the rest of her belongings were found
on the post. Vanessa's family claims she disappeared after telling
them she had been sexually assaulted. Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia joined
them in a call for action. We need to get
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to the bottom of this. We need to make sure
that we look at every single complaint, every single allegation
that is being made in this case. Outside of wourhood,
supporters continue to hold vigils and protest, demanding answers. There's
the same in the military. We leave no soldier behind.
We cannot leave Vanessa behind. We cannot leave her family line.
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They all want to see a more transparent investigation. Vanessa's
family says all the chaps high school grad wanted to
do was served this country this past June tenth. It's
been two years that she's been serving for our country,
and I just don't find it fair that they, whoever
this is, took advantage of her circuit liberty away joining
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me Olivia Leveta k xx VTV reporter Olivia, I'm very
curious as to the entry exit point of Fort Hood.
Is there surveillance video there? And is there a gate
that is armed? Is somebody there? So I have gone
on to Forthood to do several stories. As we mentioned earlier,
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it's not easy to access Forthood. Forth Hood has several
exits and entries, several gates. There's also there's always armed
guards at the gate. When I go to Forthood, I
have to be escorted onto the military post. They have
to check your ID. So, like I said, several entrances
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and exit and there they are all armed and guarded.
So how the hey would Vanessa have gotten off the
base and nobody noticed if every exit is covered by
an armed guard. Straight back out to our friend Tim
Miller with Texas equisearch. What about that, Tim, If she
is off that base, how did she get off with
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nobody seeing her? Well, you know what, you can drive
off that base with nobody seeing you. You are not
checked when you go off that base. I've been on
that base many many times. No, you can drive off
that base. Driving back on the base, then you got
to show your visitors pass or your military ID. But no,
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I feel as over the spot that she went off
of the base. We went off that exit several times,
and no, you were not when you drive out nobody.
That's a critical piece of the puzzles. You're checked when
you come in, but not when you leave. Let me
ask you this is that your experience Olivia, Levada, where
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you checked when you left? Yes, I agree with him
you basically, when I leave, I am not escorted off
of courthood. So she could have left without anyone noticing
whether she was in the front seat of a car
or the backseat or in the trunk of a car.
Let me go back to you, Tim Miller, Texas equa search.
You are searching. You have been searching a body of water.
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What led you there? Well, you know there's things again
in the investigation that literally just popped up where they
could go ahead and get some subpoenas and search wants
and stuff that led us there. Now we do know
where Vanessa's phone ended up. I mean the area her
phone has not been located. But yeah, the military jumped
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on that immediately. We know the area that the phone
went dead, and I can say that area where the
phone went dead is very very close to where Now
wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on just a second.
Because we first had reports that her phone had the
Army told the sister her phone pained in Belton, a
twenty minute drive from Fort Hood. But then the sister
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Myra told me she was advised that was incorrect, that
the phone did not paying in Belton. So I hope
that's not what you're talking about now, that that actually
was a false paying Nancy, when they pained the phone,
that was a false one. The phone actually went dead.
We know what time the phone went dead that day
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that she did disappear, very very close to where she
would last see and White. You just said her phone
went dead that day, very close to where she was
last seen. Did I understand that correctly? You understood that
her phone goes dead the day she goes missing in
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that parking lot at Fort Hood? Is that right? That
is correct? And now if the phone is turned off,
believe it or not, they can still preck that phone.
The only way the phone would have win dead that
quick is probably if it was thrown in water. So
we feel as though that is very strong possibility. There's
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a bird bath lake that is right there. We actually
so and are that. We've done extensive searches for her phone.
The phone has not shown up. But when I was
sownar in that lake, it has such a grassy bottom
and everything would be nearly impossible to fight to located.
I'm hearing two different things, Tim Miller from Equasearch, and
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I think both of what I'm hearing from you are true.
It's just that I don't understand it. We were told
she was last seeing a parking lot there at Fort Hood,
near the armory where she worked. Correct. Now you're saying
that you searched the area where she was last seen
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and that was near water. Those two don't fit together.
Are you telling me there was a search there was
a spotting of her near the water after she was
in the parking lot. Possibly her phone was thrown in
the water, and that's where it went dead. That's why
the last pin was so close right there to where
she was working. Is the water near where she was working? Yes, ma'am.
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How close? Oh eight some a mile? Oh okay, Now
now now I'm understanding what you're saying. I thought you
met the phone was in the parking lot somewhere, but
you're saying she was last saying we think in that
parking lot, although that sergeant then recanted that and her
phone pained near the water. Yeah, well, and near the
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water is near the armory. Yeah, So whether that phone
was thrown in that water or not, we don't know. Uh,
you know, from the from where it was last thing
than where it went dead. We felt as though, and
everybody fell as though that strong possibility was put in water.
That's why it immediately died and there could couldn't get
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out into Can you tell us the phone was turned
off or if it just went dead? Can they tell that? Yeah,
they can tell that. And if the phone was just
turned off, it would still get power reports if the
phone was traveling. But the phone went immediately dead, and
that's why they feel as though that phone was thrown
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in in some water to immediately kill it Crime Stories
with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance
of a twenty year old private first class in the
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Army of Vanessa Again and a lot of mystery is
shrouding the facts around her disappearance. We believe she went
missing there at work, called him mysteriously on a day
off at Fort Hood. This is just days after revealing
she had been sex harrassed multiple times within the Army.
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Now the case has gained the attention of the beautiful
and talented Salmahayak. Take a listen. It's been almost two
months since Vaness again has been heard from or seen,
and her family has continued to push for answers. But
this week it seems there's been a new energy brought
to her case. Salmahayak posted about the missing Fort Hood
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soldier twice in twenty four hours, and that's major because
she has fifteen million people who follow her, which really
increases the visibility on this case. And then this last
night in Colleen, a rally held with hundreds of people
chanting her name, wearing shirt with her face on it.
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This is just such a mystery to Guin's family. They
say this isn't like her at all. She hasn't been
seen or heard from since April twenty second. All of
her things were found in the armory where she was working,
except for her cell phone. Her family says she was
having a problem with someone else at Fort Hood before
her disappearance. They are keeping hope that the twenty year
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old Houston native is still alive. Let me give you
the tip lines again. Army CID two five four four
nine five seven seven sixty seven. Possibly a better number
is LULAC League of United Latin American Citizens two one
four nine one four eighty three hundred repeat two one
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four nine four one eighty three hundred. Not only has
some hyatt joined in the effort to find Vanessa take
a listen at you. ABC thirteen Houston reporter Steve Campion.
Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia is now involved after family said Vanessa
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expressed being sexually harassed prior to her disappearance. The military
says they've received no credible information about those allegations. A
spokesperson told us in a statement, quote, we are completely
committed to finding Vanessa and aggressively going after every single
piece of credible information and every lead in this investigation.
We will not stop until we find Vanessa. End quote.
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Today we learned Texas Equisearch founder Tim Miller plans to
return to Fort Hood as they hope to help in
search efforts. Would I suggested wild play was probably involved
in you know, my experience, and I'm gonna say yes,
I mean that, this is certainly shoutnut. I suspect that.
I think everybody else that's been involved suspects that. But again,
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investigator as keeping it closer, their rest and the outrage,
the growing concern seems to be only mounting by the day.
Her family plans to go to Ford Hood on Thursday. Again,
the reward is now over fifty thousand dollars for information
about Vanessa. As a matter of fact, it's fifty thousand
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dollars and growing. And then, to further muddy the water,
we find out that remains are found near Fort Hood
Army Base and they are another young person, another young
service person in their twenties. To Olivia Leveda k xx VTV, Wow,
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that's quite the coinkie. Inc that a nobody at Fort
Hood seems to know anything about Vanessa Gin's sex harassment concerns.
And to another body, of a missing person pops up
at Fort Hood. Wow, that's certainly something, isn't it. What
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can you tell me about the remains found? So the
remains were found this past Friday, CID, the US Army
CID received the tip about a body in a field
just a couple of miles away from Courthood and Friday
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night we were all there was a lot of speculation
on who that person could be. We knew the Army
was involved. I also knew that there were two missing soldiers.
Vanessa Gean has been you know, taking headlines and things
like that. But we've also been looking for private second
class Gregory Morales since August twenty nineteen, and it was
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later confirmed that it was him after almost a year
of him being missing. In him just vanishing from Kaleen,
which is the city right outside Courthood. Now that's why
understanding that this young man was last seen driving his
own vehicle, find it very difficult to understand. Why did
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he just happen to turn up body only in a
field about a mile away from Fort Hood? Where was
his car? What happened to him? And isn't it true
he had issues and he was about to be discharged
from the Army. Correct, Yes, this is this is true.
He was just days away from being discharged, and you're
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exactly right. He was last seen driving his car in Kaleen.
I know that there wasn't a reward for information leading
to his whereabouts until recently, so I'm not sure if
that had something to do with the tip coming in,
But like I said, we've been covering stories on him
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for months. To Chloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle, PD. Cloyd.
So you've got two young service people, very young in
their early twenties. One is about to be discharged, very curious.
Why had he made some sort of a complaint about
something that was happening. Was he having an issue at
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Fort Hood? And then you have Vanessa Gian who is
having is being sex harassed. According to her, I have
no reason to disbelieve her, and now she goes missing.
That's quite the coincidence, Cloyd Stiger. It is although Fort
Hood is a very big base with a lot of
people there, and you know that I lived there Fort Louis, Washington,
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which is a comporablie sized space, and things like that
happened here too. People go missing and vanish without a
trace or their bodies are found, Yeah, pretty regular, but yeah,
I mean individually. Yeah, it's a big thing, just like
any big city. It is a big city, so of
all the people who live there and things happen, and
maybe they're related, but maybe they're not. That's true. They
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can't be lumped together. But to me, that's a big
red flag too, Doctor Angela. Arnold Kaiser's joining us from
the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela. The army is saying they
knew nothing about the sex harassment complaints. What do you
make of that? I mean, that could be true. I'm
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not sure that I buy it. Well, I don't buy it.
She made a complaint. How could they not know about it?
So did they cover it up from the room beginning?
She did not make a formal complaint, doctor Angela. She could.
I know where you're getting that. She complained to her family.
She did not con file a formal complaint because she
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was afraid it would ruin her army career should be over.
And she's probably right, and I believe she was very
afraid that she because she never mentioned the person's name,
did she? I do know that she mentioned to her
family the name of a fellow officer that burst in
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on her while she was taking a shower. But I
think that there were other issues, other sex harass complaints
that were happening to her, either with a co worker
or a superior there at fort Hood. So to Jim
Elliott attorney, Butler snow joining us, isn't it true? Although
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the law says it, there's not supposed to be retaliation
once you file a sex harrassment complaint, very often there
is retaliation. Isn't that true? Absolutely? And I you know
that happens a lot of that is so earlier to
your guess earlier comment about why women, I guess others
don't bring those because they know they will be in
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that effect their career. You think, anty, I'll say, I
mean to me, gosh, murdering someone in retaliation for sexual
harassment allegation seems ridiculous. But let's think about the other
person that would ruin their career as well, ruin their career,
ruin their relationship with their why or girlfriend, that they
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have one even number of things, any number of repercussions. Guys,
we joined the search for Vanessa gain two one four
nine four one eighty three hundred. Nancy Grays crime story,
signing off goodbye friend,
A gorgeous a man goes missing, and to compound it,
she's a soldier. According to many, the Army seemingly is
closing ranks around the search for Vanessa. But why crime
(00:28):
stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime
stories and let's kick it off. Take a listen to this.
Investigators say, the twenty year old soldier was last seen
April twenty second at one pm. There was a fellow
where girl she was Sney that would co hold that
it was world party to your wife being like a dame.
(00:51):
Do you know it would be easy for her to
choose the other route and let her. She would come
home every weekend to Myra, says her sisters the world
to her, and she'd do anything to find her. I
love her and I'm not gonna stop. I'm not gonna
stop until I have her whistles, because I mean, I'm
(01:13):
time with the army. CID is encouraging anyone with information
to come forward, even if you choose to remain anonymous.
What the hay is going on? She's been missing since April. Guys,
you're just hearing our friend Nis your poor Jasmine Caldwell.
Where is Vanessa? Joining me right now and all star
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paddles starting with Jim Elliott, renowned detorney, joining us from
butlersnow dot com representing multiple municipalities. Doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists
joining me from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Cloyd Steiger thirty six
years Seattle PD twenty two of that a homicide author
of Seattle's Forgotten serial killer, Gary Jane Grant. You can
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find him at Cloyd Steiger dot com. Our longtime friend
and colleague from Texas Equisearch, a victim turned victim's hero,
Tim Miller. But right now straight out to Olivia, Levada
with k x x v TV. Olivia, thank you for
being with us. I don't like this one bit. We've
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been on this case from the beginning and I've seen
little to none movement on the search for Vanessa. In fact,
as you know, Olivia, I have just been gone on
an RV trip with my children and I hear remains
found near fort Hood and I went, oh, dear Lord
in Heaven, it's it's Vanessa. Turns out, if somebody else
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that's been missing from fort Hood for a year, I'll
circle back to the other missing person, the other dead body.
Let's focus on Vanessa. Let's start at the beginning. Olivia,
I feel like the Army's not really helping as much
as it should, and I wonder are they trying to
cover something up. I can't help but wonder that. I
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don't want to accuse them, but when they're not forthcoming,
it seems to take on a nefarious bent. Let's stick
with the facts. Start at the beginning, when Vanessa goes missing,
Olivia Levada, Yes, Nancy, Well, Vanessa Gain has been missing
since April twenty seconds, so that is just over two months.
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We know that she is assigned to the third Cavalry
Regiment here at Courthood, and she was last seen on
April twenty second in the parking lot of her Regimental
Engineer squadron. That's the last time someone saw her. Now
you say, Olivia Levada, that she was last seen April
twenty two near her regimental squadron. So let me narrow
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in on that. Was she inside or outside when they
saw her? They saw her in a parking lot. Parking lot.
When you say squadron, does that I mean near her
where she was working or near where she lived her
barracks near where she was working. Okay, how close were
her barracks where she lived too, where she worked. I
do not know the answer to that. I'm very curious
(04:09):
about that. I wonder if she's leaving work or if
she is coming back to work at what time of
the day was that she was last spotted, Olivia, if
you could refresh my recollection, there's been some discrepancies with
the timeline, but we know that she was seen sometime
around in the afternoon, around noon or one, and the
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last time she actually had correspondence with eleven thirty now
right there, Kloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle, PD. I
would think of all places the army would have surveillance videos,
so why don't we know what times she was in
the parking lots? Yeah, I was exactly thinking that same thing.
There must be surveillance videos all over there, the gate parts,
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coming and going from the fort. I don't know why.
Maybe they do have something they're just not sharing it.
I don't know why. I wonder why they wouldn't because
that would have her exact outfit on it and everything
you need to start a search back to you, Olivia
Leveda k x x V TV Olivia. It's my understanding
she was not in a typical army uniform. Please don't
(05:15):
get me wrong. My father was in the military, my
father in law was in the military. All for the military.
But when it comes to a missing person, I would
think that they would have that security surveillance video released
asap day one and I haven't seen any of it.
And the reason I ask is because she wasn't wearing
a typical army style uniform. To my understanding, what was
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she wearing when she went missing? Olivia? She was wearing
a black tshirt and leggings, A black tshirt and leggings,
and that was okay to wear that to work? Am
I correct? That's what she was wearing. That's what we
were told she was wearing. It is interesting that she
wasn't in uniform. I've been informed that that is okay
to where to work. And what exactly did she'd do Olivia,
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Based on what she did, specifically what was her job
within the military, I know that on that day she
was working in the armory room. To you, Tim Miller,
Texas Equisearch guys. Tim Miller his family a crime victim
of themselves. When his daughter goes missing and has found dead,
who takes upon himself to start looking for missing people
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and has devoted his life to that. Tim Miller specifically,
she worked in the armory and that is a hands
on technical job. She was not required to wear full
army uniform. I have been told. The reason I'm bringing
that out, Tim Miller, is because for anyone looking for
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Vanessa Gein, she's not gonna have been wearing green camouflage
fatigues that day. That's not what she had on. And
I'm curious, and I'm wondering if you are too, why
surveillance video of her exactly in that outfit has not
been released by Forthood And this is just the tip
of the iceberg. Well, you know what, Nancy, that's a
(07:07):
that's a good question. But they did not have surveillance. Uh,
you know, everybody was kind of beating the military up
in the beginning, and still today there was no surveillance.
She actually was not supposed to work that they and
then she got called in the work, which there's a
big question mark why why that happened? So when when
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she was reportedly last seen us, there is a lot
of discrepancy in that whether she really was last seen
or not. Now this is that actually the fifth time
that we've been up here, and and you know, in
a perfect world, we're going to have surveillance cameras. In
the perfect world, somebody seeing something's going to come forward,
and unfortunately we don't live at that perfect world. We
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somebody finally did come forward. They thought that they saw something,
and as we know, nancy to go ahead and get
to phone records and credit card records and things like that,
we have to have a judge go ahead and signed,
and there's got to be reasons for them to sign,
and we can't go deep in the investigation. But you know,
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somebody did come forward, they thought they saw something. It
was very credible information, so then they could go ahead
and get the pen on some things. And that's what
actually put us out there by the Leon River where
we were searching. I'm not going to say what we
found out there. Of course, we did not find her.
We didn't find her in the search continues, but we
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certainly found things that appear to be evidence that was
taken in and literally being processed as we speak. I
think that we're getting closer. I feel as if some
things are going to break In defense to the military,
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of course, they really did not have anything to go on,
and again as if somebody would have came forward earlier,
we probably would not be here today. But now, of
course we got to work with what we have. You're
so right about that to Millerne, as you said to
start with, it's not always a perfect world. You say
there was not surveillance video, but I find it very
(09:25):
difficult to believe that there's not somebody manning a yate
or a post going in and out of forhood that
would have been able to identify Vanessa again if she
had left that day Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
(09:52):
we were talking about the disappearance of a gorgeous young
girl just twenty years old. She was in small arm
machinery repair for some reason, as you just heard, she
was not supposed to work that day, but she mysteriously
got called in and then goes missing basically before lunchtime
(10:14):
is done. One sargeant came forward and said that he
saw her, and then later recanted that. Why now we're
hearing no surveillance video in the area where she went missing.
Who would have known there were no cameras there? Where
is twenty year old Vanessa Gain Take a listen now
(10:37):
to KCN TV news anchor. Military officials needing your help
locating this missing Fort Hood soldier. This is twenty year
old Private First Class Vanessa go In. She was lasting
Wednesday afternoon and the parking lot of her squadron headquarters
on base. Authority say her car, keys, ID card, and
wallet were all found in the armory room where she
(10:58):
was working earlier in the day. A be on the
Lookout or BOLO known as has been issued to surrounding
law enforcement and an extensive search is underway. Gillian is
by foot two, one hundred and twenty six pounds and
was last seen wearing a black shirt. Anyone with information
on her whereabouts should call military police. Did Jim Elliott,
attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel for multiple municipalities. Jim Elliott,
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You earlier heard Tim Miller for Texas Equisearch state that
there was not really enough evidence for PC probable cause
to get cell phone records, credit card ATM and so forth.
I completely disagree. The family has repeated over and over
that she would not have left without telling them. There's
(11:47):
no sign, hide her hair off, her her cell phone,
her car keys, her up, her car keys, her ID
card and her wallet, not cell phone. We're all found
in the armory room where she had been king that day,
but she's not seen since lunchtime. If you were going
to go on a walk about or disappear off with
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your boyfriend, let's say, on your own, you wouldn't leave
in the middle of a work day. She had been
called into work. If you were going to leave and
didn't want anyone to find you, you would leave after work,
not just go a wall at work. So what does
it take to get a subpoena ducas teak in a
subpoena for documents for instance, cell phone wreckers, triangulation, that
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sort of evidence we really need. What do you have
to do, Jim Elliott? Well, you know what you have
here is kind of an interesting mix of jurisdictions because
you have a local police and then you have of
course the federal property and the right of the military
police to control the matter. So that probably played a role, frankly,
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and hesitation to move forward, be specific, be blunt with me,
what do you mean it probably played a role? What
probably played a role in what the local police probably
were hesitant to exert jurisdiction because of the role of
the Milton police and the federal government well, in other words,
they're stepping on their own. Let me just say belt
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take a listen now to ABC thirteen Houston News reporter
Steve Campbell. Vanessa Gain's sister says the missing soldiers parents
keep pleading for information, praying for a miracle. The Army
is battling back, rowing criticism and outrage on social media
that they're not doing enough to find one of their own.
The Army released photos saying they show soldiers searching Forthood
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for any sign in the missing twenty year old. A
sergeant said in a news release, quote, no one really
understands how much we're searching. I hope we can find her.
And as much as I know America has faith in
us to protect this country and to fight for our nation,
I feel like they should have faith in us to
know that we are doing everything possible to find her.
End quote. Texas Equisearch told us they'll be back in
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Clean next week helping the military. The news comes just
a day after the Army says they're launching an investigation
into allegations Gian was sexually harassed on base prior to
her disappearance. It's hard because if it happened inside the
military base, it has to be someone that had access
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to get inside. Every time that I come, I get fingerprinted,
picture taken, everything, driver's license checked, everything, so I'm allowed in.
You're hearing the voice of Vanessa's sister Myra, just to
get on base to see her sister. Now keep this
in mind, the sister Vanessa who's missing, is at the
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army base Furthood. The family lives a couple of hours away, Jackie.
If you could remind me how far away they live,
like an hour and a half, two hours away, and
Vanessa would come home every weekend to see her family
and her boyfriend. And let me tell you right up front,
the boyfriend has been placed in a different city at
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the time Vanessa goes missing. That's the first place you
always look. So if the sister has to go through
that in order to get on base, that tells me
some stranger didn't look on the base and snatch Vanessa.
Now straight back out to Olivia Levada k x x VTV.
What can you tell me about these sex harassment complaints
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one that she Vanessa spoke of just before she goes missing. Yes, so,
from my understanding, from what I've been told. A few
weeks before she went missing, she shared with several sexual
harassment encounters. What I was told is there was one
instance where a sergeant walked in on Vanessa when she
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was showering, and she felt very uncomfortable about that. Another
example that's been shared by the family is that a
sergeant was saying something inappropriate in Spanish to Vanessa. And
they've also shared that a sergeant a sergeant had been
following her when she ran and as she exercised. Okay,
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right there, Chloe Sier thirty six years Seattle, p. D.
Twenty two of that on homicide. You got a guy
allegedly following you when you jog. I mean, hello, that's
like a red flag being waved right in her face,
is Floyd? Yeah, sure, you know, And that'd be it
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shouldn't be that difficult to identify this guy and find
out where he was and check his alibi and zero
down on him. Who knows if they've done that, but
he's obviously the first place to check. After year, right,
the boyfriend would be the first place. Not so much
on a military basis, he's not military. His access as
a problem. So the first thing you got to know
is the guy who did this is probably military and
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go from there and this is the first place you look.
Yeahs again in defense of the army. Fort Hood is
about two hundred fourteen thousand acres, so that's a huge
area to search. Jackie's telling me the family is in Houston,
about three hours away, so it's my understanding Vanessa would
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go home on weekends. Very curious the way this whole
thing is playing out. Joining me right now is are
announce psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold. Doctor Angela,
do you know the vast majority of women that are
sex harassed at work never say a word? Why is that?
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Doctor Angela? I believe it's for the exact reason that
Vanessa said a word. They're they're fearful for their job.
Who's how do they know how that is going to
be taken? And it's it goes on. I'm sorry, you're
cutting out on me. Could you repeat that place? It
goes on all the time, Nancy. I have patience come
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to my office. I have all different kinds of patients
that come and see me, and they talk to me
about the sexual harassment all the time. And how there
is absolutely no one that they can talk to about
that because they fear for their job. Or let's say,
if you are in a position just let's just pretend
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as a prosecutor and you get sex harassed by let's
just say a judge, what are you going to do?
Jeopardize your case and let the victims down cause the mistrial,
I mean there are put yourself and yeah, and whatever
judge would want you put yourself in Vanessa's shoes if
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she was being if she were being sex harassed at
work and she complained, would it ruin her career in
the army, which she had always wanted to do. She
had always wanted to be in the Army. Crime Stories
(19:08):
with Nancy Grace, we were talking about the disappearance of
a beautiful twenty year old young woman whose future was
bright within the Army. Now her family is begging to
help find her. For us to help find her, the
tip line is two five four four nine to five
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seven seven six seven repeat two five four four nine
five seven seven six seven. Now that is for the
Army CID. I want to give you another number. This
is for the League of United Latin American Citizens two
one four nine four one eighty three hundred two one
four nine four one eighty three hundred. Won't you help us?
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Please find Vanessa. I've spoken at length with her sister,
who was often too straught to even speak of it. Guys,
I find it very difficult to believe that there's no
connection between Vanessa discussing sex harassment at work and then
suddenly she goes missing. Take a listen to KHOU eleven's
(20:18):
reporter David Gonzalez. The twenty year old soldier was last
seen on April twenty second. Her cell phone has not
been found, but the rest of her belongings were found
on the post. Vanessa's family claims she disappeared after telling
them she had been sexually assaulted. Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia joined
them in a call for action. We need to get
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to the bottom of this. We need to make sure
that we look at every single complaint, every single allegation
that is being made in this case. Outside of wourhood,
supporters continue to hold vigils and protest, demanding answers. There's
the same in the military. We leave no soldier behind.
We cannot leave Vanessa behind. We cannot leave her family line.
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They all want to see a more transparent investigation. Vanessa's
family says all the chaps high school grad wanted to
do was served this country this past June tenth. It's
been two years that she's been serving for our country,
and I just don't find it fair that they, whoever
this is, took advantage of her circuit liberty away joining
(21:22):
me Olivia Leveta k xx VTV reporter Olivia, I'm very
curious as to the entry exit point of Fort Hood.
Is there surveillance video there? And is there a gate
that is armed? Is somebody there? So I have gone
on to Forthood to do several stories. As we mentioned earlier,
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it's not easy to access Forthood. Forth Hood has several
exits and entries, several gates. There's also there's always armed
guards at the gate. When I go to Forthood, I
have to be escorted onto the military post. They have
to check your ID. So, like I said, several entrances
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and exit and there they are all armed and guarded.
So how the hey would Vanessa have gotten off the
base and nobody noticed if every exit is covered by
an armed guard. Straight back out to our friend Tim
Miller with Texas equisearch. What about that, Tim, If she
is off that base, how did she get off with
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nobody seeing her? Well, you know what, you can drive
off that base with nobody seeing you. You are not
checked when you go off that base. I've been on
that base many many times. No, you can drive off
that base. Driving back on the base, then you got
to show your visitors pass or your military ID. But no,
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I feel as over the spot that she went off
of the base. We went off that exit several times,
and no, you were not when you drive out nobody.
That's a critical piece of the puzzles. You're checked when
you come in, but not when you leave. Let me
ask you this is that your experience Olivia, Levada, where
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you checked when you left? Yes, I agree with him
you basically, when I leave, I am not escorted off
of courthood. So she could have left without anyone noticing
whether she was in the front seat of a car
or the backseat or in the trunk of a car.
Let me go back to you, Tim Miller, Texas equa search.
You are searching. You have been searching a body of water.
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What led you there? Well, you know there's things again
in the investigation that literally just popped up where they
could go ahead and get some subpoenas and search wants
and stuff that led us there. Now we do know
where Vanessa's phone ended up. I mean the area her
phone has not been located. But yeah, the military jumped
(23:58):
on that immediately. We know the area that the phone
went dead, and I can say that area where the
phone went dead is very very close to where Now
wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on just a second.
Because we first had reports that her phone had the
Army told the sister her phone pained in Belton, a
twenty minute drive from Fort Hood. But then the sister
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Myra told me she was advised that was incorrect, that
the phone did not paying in Belton. So I hope
that's not what you're talking about now, that that actually
was a false paying Nancy, when they pained the phone,
that was a false one. The phone actually went dead.
We know what time the phone went dead that day
(24:42):
that she did disappear, very very close to where she
would last see and White. You just said her phone
went dead that day, very close to where she was
last seen. Did I understand that correctly? You understood that
her phone goes dead the day she goes missing in
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that parking lot at Fort Hood? Is that right? That
is correct? And now if the phone is turned off,
believe it or not, they can still preck that phone.
The only way the phone would have win dead that
quick is probably if it was thrown in water. So
we feel as though that is very strong possibility. There's
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a bird bath lake that is right there. We actually
so and are that. We've done extensive searches for her phone.
The phone has not shown up. But when I was
sownar in that lake, it has such a grassy bottom
and everything would be nearly impossible to fight to located.
I'm hearing two different things, Tim Miller from Equasearch, and
(25:47):
I think both of what I'm hearing from you are true.
It's just that I don't understand it. We were told
she was last seeing a parking lot there at Fort Hood,
near the armory where she worked. Correct. Now you're saying
that you searched the area where she was last seen
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and that was near water. Those two don't fit together.
Are you telling me there was a search there was
a spotting of her near the water after she was
in the parking lot. Possibly her phone was thrown in
the water, and that's where it went dead. That's why
the last pin was so close right there to where
she was working. Is the water near where she was working? Yes, ma'am.
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How close? Oh eight some a mile? Oh okay, Now
now now I'm understanding what you're saying. I thought you
met the phone was in the parking lot somewhere, but
you're saying she was last saying we think in that
parking lot, although that sergeant then recanted that and her
phone pained near the water. Yeah, well, and near the
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water is near the armory. Yeah, So whether that phone
was thrown in that water or not, we don't know. Uh,
you know, from the from where it was last thing
than where it went dead. We felt as though, and
everybody fell as though that strong possibility was put in water.
That's why it immediately died and there could couldn't get
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out into Can you tell us the phone was turned
off or if it just went dead? Can they tell that? Yeah,
they can tell that. And if the phone was just
turned off, it would still get power reports if the
phone was traveling. But the phone went immediately dead, and
that's why they feel as though that phone was thrown
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in in some water to immediately kill it Crime Stories
with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance
of a twenty year old private first class in the
(28:00):
Army of Vanessa Again and a lot of mystery is
shrouding the facts around her disappearance. We believe she went
missing there at work, called him mysteriously on a day
off at Fort Hood. This is just days after revealing
she had been sex harrassed multiple times within the Army.
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Now the case has gained the attention of the beautiful
and talented Salmahayak. Take a listen. It's been almost two
months since Vaness again has been heard from or seen,
and her family has continued to push for answers. But
this week it seems there's been a new energy brought
to her case. Salmahayak posted about the missing Fort Hood
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soldier twice in twenty four hours, and that's major because
she has fifteen million people who follow her, which really
increases the visibility on this case. And then this last
night in Colleen, a rally held with hundreds of people
chanting her name, wearing shirt with her face on it.
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This is just such a mystery to Guin's family. They
say this isn't like her at all. She hasn't been
seen or heard from since April twenty second. All of
her things were found in the armory where she was working,
except for her cell phone. Her family says she was
having a problem with someone else at Fort Hood before
her disappearance. They are keeping hope that the twenty year
(29:26):
old Houston native is still alive. Let me give you
the tip lines again. Army CID two five four four
nine five seven seven sixty seven. Possibly a better number
is LULAC League of United Latin American Citizens two one
four nine one four eighty three hundred repeat two one
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four nine four one eighty three hundred. Not only has
some hyatt joined in the effort to find Vanessa take
a listen at you. ABC thirteen Houston reporter Steve Campion.
Congresswoman Sylvia Garcia is now involved after family said Vanessa
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expressed being sexually harassed prior to her disappearance. The military
says they've received no credible information about those allegations. A
spokesperson told us in a statement, quote, we are completely
committed to finding Vanessa and aggressively going after every single
piece of credible information and every lead in this investigation.
We will not stop until we find Vanessa. End quote.
(30:31):
Today we learned Texas Equisearch founder Tim Miller plans to
return to Fort Hood as they hope to help in
search efforts. Would I suggested wild play was probably involved
in you know, my experience, and I'm gonna say yes,
I mean that, this is certainly shoutnut. I suspect that.
I think everybody else that's been involved suspects that. But again,
(30:54):
investigator as keeping it closer, their rest and the outrage,
the growing concern seems to be only mounting by the day.
Her family plans to go to Ford Hood on Thursday. Again,
the reward is now over fifty thousand dollars for information
about Vanessa. As a matter of fact, it's fifty thousand
(31:15):
dollars and growing. And then, to further muddy the water,
we find out that remains are found near Fort Hood
Army Base and they are another young person, another young
service person in their twenties. To Olivia Leveda k xx VTV, Wow,
(31:38):
that's quite the coinkie. Inc that a nobody at Fort
Hood seems to know anything about Vanessa Gin's sex harassment concerns.
And to another body, of a missing person pops up
at Fort Hood. Wow, that's certainly something, isn't it. What
(31:58):
can you tell me about the remains found? So the
remains were found this past Friday, CID, the US Army
CID received the tip about a body in a field
just a couple of miles away from Courthood and Friday
(32:19):
night we were all there was a lot of speculation
on who that person could be. We knew the Army
was involved. I also knew that there were two missing soldiers.
Vanessa Gean has been you know, taking headlines and things
like that. But we've also been looking for private second
class Gregory Morales since August twenty nineteen, and it was
(32:42):
later confirmed that it was him after almost a year
of him being missing. In him just vanishing from Kaleen,
which is the city right outside Courthood. Now that's why
understanding that this young man was last seen driving his
own vehicle, find it very difficult to understand. Why did
(33:02):
he just happen to turn up body only in a
field about a mile away from Fort Hood? Where was
his car? What happened to him? And isn't it true
he had issues and he was about to be discharged
from the Army. Correct, Yes, this is this is true.
He was just days away from being discharged, and you're
(33:24):
exactly right. He was last seen driving his car in Kaleen.
I know that there wasn't a reward for information leading
to his whereabouts until recently, so I'm not sure if
that had something to do with the tip coming in,
But like I said, we've been covering stories on him
(33:47):
for months. To Chloyd Steiger thirty six years Seattle, PD. Cloyd.
So you've got two young service people, very young in
their early twenties. One is about to be discharged, very curious.
Why had he made some sort of a complaint about
something that was happening. Was he having an issue at
(34:07):
Fort Hood? And then you have Vanessa Gian who is
having is being sex harassed. According to her, I have
no reason to disbelieve her, and now she goes missing.
That's quite the coincidence, Cloyd Stiger. It is although Fort
Hood is a very big base with a lot of
people there, and you know that I lived there Fort Louis, Washington,
(34:28):
which is a comporablie sized space, and things like that
happened here too. People go missing and vanish without a
trace or their bodies are found, Yeah, pretty regular, but yeah,
I mean individually. Yeah, it's a big thing, just like
any big city. It is a big city, so of
all the people who live there and things happen, and
maybe they're related, but maybe they're not. That's true. They
(34:51):
can't be lumped together. But to me, that's a big
red flag too, Doctor Angela. Arnold Kaiser's joining us from
the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela. The army is saying they
knew nothing about the sex harassment complaints. What do you
make of that? I mean, that could be true. I'm
(35:11):
not sure that I buy it. Well, I don't buy it.
She made a complaint. How could they not know about it?
So did they cover it up from the room beginning?
She did not make a formal complaint, doctor Angela. She could.
I know where you're getting that. She complained to her family.
She did not con file a formal complaint because she
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was afraid it would ruin her army career should be over.
And she's probably right, and I believe she was very
afraid that she because she never mentioned the person's name,
did she? I do know that she mentioned to her
family the name of a fellow officer that burst in
(35:53):
on her while she was taking a shower. But I
think that there were other issues, other sex harass complaints
that were happening to her, either with a co worker
or a superior there at fort Hood. So to Jim
Elliott attorney, Butler snow joining us, isn't it true? Although
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the law says it, there's not supposed to be retaliation
once you file a sex harrassment complaint, very often there
is retaliation. Isn't that true? Absolutely? And I you know
that happens a lot of that is so earlier to
your guess earlier comment about why women, I guess others
don't bring those because they know they will be in
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that effect their career. You think, anty, I'll say, I
mean to me, gosh, murdering someone in retaliation for sexual
harassment allegation seems ridiculous. But let's think about the other
person that would ruin their career as well, ruin their career,
ruin their relationship with their why or girlfriend, that they
(36:57):
have one even number of things, any number of repercussions. Guys,
we joined the search for Vanessa gain two one four
nine four one eighty three hundred. Nancy Grays crime story,
signing off goodbye friend,
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