October 26, 2018 • 39 mins
Karlie Guse disappeared from her home in a small California town nearly two weeks ago. Nancy Grace talks in this episode with the last person known to have seen the 16-year-old -- stepmother Melissa Guse -- and the teen's father, Zachery Guse. Nancy's expert panel includes Dr. Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist and host of Investigation Discovery’s “Fatal Vows” series, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, and reporter Robyn Walensky.
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Do you know another parent or a soon to be
parent and expecting mom or dad. Please don't give them
another onesie or another toy that you know is going
to end up in the garage or at the goodwill.
Give them something that matters, and what matters the most
protecting your child. What do you love the most in
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the world Your children? I do, and I will do
anything to protect my twins. Go to crime stops here
dot com. It is a five part series with action
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protect your child's life. Payment starting at six. Give that
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Give them something that matters. Find out how to protect
your child out and about at the mall, at the store,
at the grocery store, in the parking lot, at home.
By doubt about protection regarding babysitters, in daycare, even online
cyber security. Oh yes, my children are online, and you
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Payments starting six. I would much rather have that than
yet another plastic baby doll or god forbid, a toy gun.
Just what I don't want. Joined the Justice Nation. Crime
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stops here dot com. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace re
searching for a sixteen year old girl missing in Monto County,
east of Yosemite National Park. Card goose was last seen
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early Saturday morning in Chalfont, about fourteen miles north of
Bishop Thor. He says she doesn't have her cell phone
or any personal belongings with her, and maybe disorder ended.
Police dogs and helicopters have been assisting in the search,
but as of last night, they've not been able to
locate her. Carly described to be five seven pounds with
dark blonde hair and blue eye Where is Curly Goosey?
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Tipline seven six zero nine three two seven five for nine.
This is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Gray. So we are
trying to find answers in the disappearance of a gorgeous
young girl, Carly Goosey. We know that investigators have searched
nearby neighborhoods and the desert terrain using helicopters and sent dogs.
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They have not found any clue. Listen. She's five ft seven,
about a hundred and fifteen pounds. She has blue eyes
and the cutest little nose and a great smile, and
her hair goes all the way down past her like
do her belly, let's say, mid waste, and she left
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in her jeans, um and a T shirt. So I'm
putting out there and just go for it. Everybody help
me out here. I love you all. Everybody please watch
share your friends share, my friends share. Everybody's just shared
out of it all right? Thank you? You are hearing
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the stepmother of missing Carly Goosey. That is Melissa Goo Say,
begging for help. Carly is missing and joining me right now?
Is that stepmm? Melissa Goo say and the bio dad
of Carly goo Say, Zachary Goo Say, Zachary and Melissa,
thank you so much for being with us. Thank you
for having Thank you Melissa. My first question is this, UM,
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I understand that you last saw Carly in bed with
you at around five thirty a M. Is that right?
But I'm sorry for you five Yeah, okay, I've got
five thirty and I've gotten six thirty, but now you're
clarifying it's five now. In your Facebook live, you said
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that she was wearing jeans. I think, yeah, I only
said that because she always wears her skinny jeans, so
I just assumed that she had her skinny jeans on?
Would she have worn blue jeans to bed? I have?
I had picked her up and she had her skinny
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jeans on. I no, But I mean when you were
in bed with her at five forty five am, did
she still have on her jeans? No? Okay? So yeah,
T shirt and just her underwear. Okay, let me understand
because in the Facebook live trying to get the description
of what she had on the last time you saw
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her out there. So in the Facebook last time I
saw her in our home, she only had a T
shirt and her undergarment. Okay. Then that Facebook live that
she blasted out saying look for her and the skinny jeans?
What what are we supposed to do with that? That?
That's not right? Well, yeah, I was in a panic,
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and she's not wanted to go out of the house
and sweatpants or hating. Okay, all right, So the last
time you saw her, she was not wearing what was
on the Facebook while she was wearing a T shirt?
And Andy's all right, question, Well, her pjs, the T
shirt was the T shirt found in the home after
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she disappeared. No, okay, what was on the T shirt?
What was it? From what I can remember, It was
like a van T shirt or some kind of T
shirt that had a logo on the back and then
the small one over like where your heart is got you?
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Was it white blue? What was it? It was like
a white creamish color. Okay, do you know what the
T shirt said? Okay, do you know the colors of
the T shirt? It was like a white creamish and
then the the logo was also very light. Okay, got it.
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And that T shirt that she was in bed with
wearing it is not in the home. That tells me
she's still in the T shirt? Yeah, she I could
not find that in the laundry or anywhere. Okay, got it. Now,
what about her skinny jeans? Are they missing? Yeah? I
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wouldn't even be able to say yes or no because
she has so many clothes. She has like hairs of
skinny jeans and so two different shirts. She has a
lot of clothes. Okay. Regarding the skinny jeans, were they
black or blue? The ones that she had worn the
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night before were light blue? Light blue? Are those missing?
The ones she wore the night before? Are they in
the dirty clothes? Where are they? I'm trying to figure
out what was she wearing? When she disappeared. I don't know,
because the two confirmed neighbors said that she had the
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white shirt and gray sweatpants. Okay, are the great sweatpants missing?
I don't know. Okay, she has so many clues I
can't even Yeah, let me ask you. This her cell phone.
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The boyfriend that came over said the cell phone her
cell phone, which I'm surprised you left it behind, but
that the cell phone was by the bed when the
cops got there. The cell phone was on the island
or in the kitchen? Is that part right? No, the
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cellphone was in the chicken the whole time. Okay, got it?
Let me think, do you know the code to get
into her cell phone? Yes? Okay? Did you go into
it to find out who she last texted? Yes? Okay.
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Who was she last speaking to? In what time? I
don't remember the time, but um, I was the last
person I had called her? Yeah, it was eight thirty
the name before because he got home at nine, so
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she was in the home at nine pm Friday night? Correct? Okay,
got it? Joining me. Also, in addition to carly Cusa's stepmother, Melissa,
is her biological dad, Zachary Zachary, Thank you for being
with us. We have got callers, callers, callers trying to
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nail down what happened and what the timeline is. Tell
me what your recollection is, Zachary. Of the night Carly,
your little girl goes missing the night early morning of Well,
what you recall? I assume you went to bed right?
All right? Well I got home just after work. Um,
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have you had a drink? Drink a couple of beers? Um?
Melissa and Carly showed up. Uh, Carly was acting enid? Um?
Wh wait what do you mean by that? Why was
she acting paranoid? Yeah, she had acted Well, I want
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to go to Zachary, what was she doing to to
saying paranoid? To you? She had admitted to smoking marijuana
and as the reason why I was I went to
go pick her up early. What was she doing that
was acting paranoid to you? Scared? I know? But what
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did you observe about her that seemed she was paranoid?
She just she just was acting very nervous and scared
about you know, her phone, about about us being around
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her at moments, and then at other moments she changed
and just just you know, say she loves us and
asked us if if she was okay, and of course said,
when you said she was acting nervous and afraid to
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be around you, what was she doing to make you
think that? I don't know she was she sloped hot.
I don't know what we were wrong with her, I know,
But you're telling me that she told you or told
your wife she had had marijuana. All right, you're saying
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she's acting paranoid. What was she doing? Was she pacing
the floor? Was she biting her fingernails? Was she twitching?
Was she crying? Was she anxious? Was she on her phone?
Did she call nine one one? What was she doing
to make you tell me that she was acting paranoid?
Because I've never seen children act paranoida I don't know
what that even looks like for a child. What was
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she doing? She was, uh, just staying in a corner, afraid,
afraid of not being safe. Did she say that, yeah,
she felt like she wasn't safe. Okay, Well, now now
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I'm hearing something. After many questions, she said she was afraid.
What was she afraid of? I really wish I knew
so when she said, Dad, I'm afraid, you didn't say
of what are you afraid? What are you afraid of? Yeah?
I did. I asked her several times, and she said,
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I don't know, Melissa, what do you recall? What was
she saying? I'm trying to figure this out so I
can figure out what may have happened to her. What
was she afraid of? Because to me, the fact that
she's too on you guys, she's afraid and then she
goes missing can't be separated. That's important, Melissa. What was
she saying she was afraid of? She kept saying, I
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don't know. I said, what are you afraid of? Your home?
We're safe, and she said and she said, I don't know.
And I was like, while we're here, you're home, you're safe,
It's okay. And then she's just very up and down
with being paranoid, and then the next minute she was
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like fine. It was like a roller coaster with her.
And then that's when we said, well, maybe it was
laced for something, but we don't know because nobody's saying anything,
and every says that it was just marijuana. Melissa, did
you video Carly that evening? Yeah? Why? Because I wanted
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to show her the next morning how she was acting
and what does the video show? It sas a voice clip.
It wasn't like a video of anything. Okay, Um, her
talking to me? What was she saying? She was saying
all sorts of things. She wanted me to spend the
night with her. She wanted me to paint her tone nails.
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She wanted to keep my tone nails. She wanted to color,
she wanted to read the Bible, she wanted to write.
There's so many things. Okay, that sounds crazy right there. Um,
let me think this through. So where is the video? Now?
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Have police saying the video? No? Why did they not
want to see it? Did you say boys? Police? Police? Oh? Police, yeah,
I believe they have it because our phones involved in flashed.
I mean did you show it to them? Yes? Good? Good? Good? Um,
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let me ask you this was the door locked when
you guys went to sleep that night? Now we don't
lock our house. Was there a yeah? Did did you
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guys have a dog? Is there any any way you
would be alerted if there was an intruder? Yeah, we
have a dog. She would have started barking and nothing
like that happened. No, okay, you with her? Okay? Now,
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then at at five, what happened. Do you say you
saw her the last time at five in the morning
in bed with her? What happened at Yeah? And then
I spelled back to sleep, okay, and then when I
woke back up, it was like seventy she was gone.
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So the working theory is between five and seven thirty
she disappears. Are any of her ses missing? Yeah? Okay.
Let me ask the obvious next question, what she's her?
There's several pairs of her she's missing now, investigators and everything? Right,
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she always wears bands, and her one pair of bands
was missing when they went through a closet, So that's
why I believe that she was in her band. Were
those missing that morning? Yeah? Okay. To Robin Willinski, Crime
online dot Com investigative reporter, what do you make of it? Well?
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I think that the clothing and the shoes is critical
because the weather in that area of the country at
night is going to be very cold. So did she
leave on foot? Did she indeed have those sneakers on?
Was she barefoot? Did she wander off? Did someone else
come into the house and say, hey, come with me.
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I think the clothing is absolutely critical. I think that
any video from any other homes in the area, any
you know, the local stores, you know, a seven eleven,
a gas station. Has she been seen? I think security
tapes really need to be reviewed. But I think it's
critical if someone had on sneakers, or they're leaving barefoot,
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or they're in soft I think that the what she
was wearing, there needs to be an inventory done of
her clothing as to really what she was wearing at
the time. I just go, oh, go ahead, Zachary. How
many people in the world war the exact amount of
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what clothes their kids have? I have three resting. I
just don't know. I wish I did, Zachary. I can
tell you right now that my son is wearing a
pair of black laceless tennis shoes, and my daughter was
wearing a pair of tan low cut converses. I know
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exactly what shoes and what socks they were. But on
the other hand, they're younger, and I laid those clothes
out for them, so I know what they have on
right now. I'm just wondering. You know, she, as you
were saying, was disoriented the night before. Did she take
off her clothes and leave them in the floor. Did
she wake up and put those back on because right
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now we can't even tell people what to look for
if she's wandering around because we don't know. Tennis shoes, vans,
a dark stair of sweatpants, and a white T shirt.
That's what we know. And that was confirmed by three
different people, two neighbors. And then okay, now I'm just
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hearing that for the first time. Tell me about that.
What did three neighbors say? Um? Okay, So when we
first went out searching in the morning, we searched for
two hours, and one neighbor that lives on our street,
he's older, and I asked him, I said, did you
see my daughter walking down the street, you know, young girl?
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And he said, yeah, actually I did, And I said
do you know what time? When he says he was
about six thirty and I was like okay. And then
as this just the searching, every thing keeps going on,
we have had three more people, who our neighbors who
live right in this community, that saw her wearing a
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white T shirt, gray sweatpants, and tennis shoes walking west
on our high on our and then the other one
confirmed person was a wotter, which is like some of
you broke out to chalk wood. He saw her at
seven thirty down by highway stick. Where in the world
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do you think she was headed? I have no idea.
I wish I knew. Do you know another parent or
a soon to be parent and expecting mom or dad,
Please don't give them another onesie or another toy that
(20:36):
you know is going to end up in the garage
or at the good will. Give them something that matters.
And what matters the most protecting your child. What do
you love the most in the world your children? I do,
and I will do anything to protect my twins. Go
to crime Stops here dot com. It is a five
(20:59):
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(21:20):
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starting six I would much rather have that than yet
another plastic baby doll, or god forbid, a toy gun.
Just what I don't want. Joined the Justice Nation, Crime
stops here dot com. M My name is Melissa whose um.
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If you're gonna watch this video, please do not have
the kids around. Carly lane go say is missing. Still
she's been missing. Students breathe, mm hmm. She's been missing
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since six thirty am. The last time that I spoke
to her was by thirty. She didn't take her cell phone.
We're coming up on ten hours that she's been missing,
and I want to put this on blast because I
don't think she's out in the desert. I think that
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she could have been abducted or taken because we do
live by a highway and it happens, and I'm being real.
Where is Curly? Help us bring her home? Tip line
seven six zero nine three two seven five nine. Let
me ask to Robin Willinski. I'm hearing that police have
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not been able to confirm those neighbors saw Carly. What
do you know about that, Robin, Yeah, I think it's
still being looked into. I think that everyone on the
block is going to be interviewed in depth. And they're
going to you know, when, when are they going to
confirm it? I mean, that's that's a great question. I
will tell you this though, that you know this, Nancy,
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that people have very selective memories. They've done studies. You know,
you put somebody in a room and someone's wearing a
black shirt and you know, in red pants or or
white sneakers, and they commit a crime, and they say, hey,
what do you remember about that guy? And then you know,
especially if the person is older, people remember things very differently.
So are gonna have to take those neighbors and interview
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them separately and find out, uh, you know, what's up
and what's down? Did they really see her or not?
At six thirty in the morning, seven thirty in the
morning on a Saturday. Why are these people outside? How
did they see her? I have a lot of questions,
a lot of whats zach and Melissa are telling us.
Three neighbors thought, if even one of them are correct,
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then that was her. On the also that that that
three of them separated in time and space. Have all
three stated, at least to Melissa and zach Ory have
not police that they saw her. One corroborates the other
you see what I mean. The key thing is her demeanor.
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Was she running around in circles alone, acting crazy? Was
she having some sort of breakdown? Was she with the boyfriend?
Was she with some stranger. There's a lot of questions here,
a lot of those yourself. She was by herself, and
all witnesses have already been questioned and confirmed that, yes,
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it was her. Oh so police have confirmed the signings Melissa, Yes, yes, okay,
So let me go out to Joseph Scott Morgan forensics
expert Joe Scott. This investigation is going in so many directions.
But if these three witnesses are real, okay, then that
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is that's a serious, serious lead. If those three are real,
And I know what Robin Willinski is saying. I've had
defense attorneys say that in court a million times, and
there is a grain of truth to it. There is
that eye witnesses can be wrong. But when you've got
three different witnesses out of the neighborhood in three different
locations that I've not gotten together and cooked up a story,
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I can't imagine why they would. Then that is a
credible lead. Yeah, yeah, it is. And plus uh, if
they're marking time along this way where you have these
benchmarks where they're seeing this young girl at various locations
that kind of match up. I think. I think my
question to uh, to the dad is this, Uh, you
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guys live in this very isolated area that's just adjacent
to a lot of wilderness, and I'm just curious, do
you guys actually live north of the community of Bishop. Yes,
that's that's ten twelve miles north of the community of Bishop. Yes, okay,
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and then northbound of y'all is just kind of vacant.
I mean, there's not a lot a lot around that area. Uh.
Was she headed? Was she seen headed toward Bishop or
away from Bishop? With all of these neighbors on this timeline,
there's there's no clue to that. Um. The clue of
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her heading down towards Hiway six was was good because
then it corroborated with the man who was going looting
in the morning. If she was just standing on the
side of higher Wave six. The idea in which the
directions she had gone on Ihoway, if I could guess,
I would say south back to Bishop because his friend's
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boyfriend whatever is that? Where? Yeah? Is that where you
said her friends and whatnot? The boyfriend. Is that where
the school was located that she or where the school
is located that she currently attends. Is it in that
area there or is it some okay? Alrighty well, I
was just curious because it's so desolate out in that area.
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And am I correct in uh in stating that you
guys live adjacent to a national forest? Or is that
an Indian reservation? Yeah? We well, we're in the We
do not live on an Indian reservation. Our Indian reservations
in the town of the sup that is south of us.
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There's an Indian reservation in the town of Benton, which
is north of US. Um, I don't specifically live on
an Indian resident I guess what he's trying to ask
is the terrain around where she was headed. Is it desert?
Is it mountainous? Is it populated? What is it? Well,
(28:34):
it's high desert and it's high desert. And in that
you're I mean, we would live not far from the
Sierra Mountains. I live my house backed up to the
White Mountains. Um. Yeah, desert, the mountains here, it's not
what can you tell me? Okay, I've we've established the terrain.
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Joe Scott so we'll percolate on that for a moment.
I want to ask about a call in of a
possible signing of Carly and Labette, California at a gas station.
What if anything, do we know about that, Roby Wilensky. Yeah,
I am not venture on that. I will tell you
Nancy that the question that I have to the biological
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dad and step mom is really what the state of
mind was and when she was being recorded by her
step mom, what were the exact statements. Was she suicidal?
Was she upset with the boyfriend? Was there some other
kind of spat going on with another girlfriend? Sixteen year
old girls fight all the time? Was she suicidal? What
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was her state of mind? She wasn't suicidal. She was
just very paranoid. She was scared, and then when she
wanted to go to Bess, she didn't want to leave
my side, so I spent the whole night with her. Guys,
we are trying to find Carly. You say she's a
gorgeous young girl missing tipline seven six zero nine three
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two seven five four nine. You were just hearing from
the biological father of Carl Goosey. That would be Zachary
and the stepmother and Melissa do say, Remember all three
of these parents have been working with police, and they
all three say that foul play is involved. What do
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we really know? Joseph Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath
My Feet, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott, what's
your take on the evidence? One of the problems, Nancy,
is that the waters are so muddied that you can't
accoumple it. You can't accomplish the task that's at hand,
and that is finding this girl. That's the most critical
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thing here, because nobody can get on the same sheet
of music. I'm hoping that the trail has not gone
cold as far as physical evidence goes, that it hasn't
been destroyed, that hopefully we can we can peg down
some answers to try to get her found. Joining me
right now, Robin will Lynskey, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
Where we are on this, bringing you the very latest
(31:08):
updates by the hour on Crime online dot Com. She's
also an author of The Beautiful Life The c S
I behind the Casey Anthony Trial. Robin will Leski, you
and I have seen a lot of investigations and let
me just tell you something, Robin. I can tell you
right now what John, David and Lucy even had in
their snack and what was in their backpack, the whole
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ship bang, right down to their socks. Okay, maybe I'm crazy,
and I own it. I own that. But They're all
I've got and I'm gonna know everything i can about them,
protect them, watch them, the works. I'm not taking away
from these parents. Maybe they're doing that in their own way.
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Plus there get as a team, all right. I imagine
it's gonna get harder as the years go by. But
I want to know, Robin, what you believe the facts
really are, what is going on, because none of this
is making sense to me. Yeah, I'm with you. I
have a little bit of a different take on the
than and your other guests. I think that the biological mother,
it sounds to me that she was not there. Clearly
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she may have known of dysfunction in the home if
her daughter was unhappy with the stepmother. There's no consistency
to anything. And here's another thing, and I'm gonna have
to go to Dr Brian on this. When I was
talking to Melissa and Zachary and I don't know if
I could detect it or not. With the mother, the
bio mom. Usually parents are like falling over trying to
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give you all the facts that they possibly can. Okay,
I felt like I was pulling teeth. I felt like
it was a kind of a little bit of a
confrontation trying to get facts out of the stepmother and
the dad. On the other hand, Brian, they may have
felt like they've been under attack, all right, So, and
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they're responding in that way when anybody's in a corner
and there to attack, they come out defensive, right. So
I don't know what the truth of that is. But
I look, I'm a j D. I'm not a d D. Yes,
I don't know how to pull teeth. Okay. So I
was having a hard time getting facts. Well, yeah, and
that the difficulty that everybody hurts you having is the
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thing that that is so curious. I mean, you and
I have talked to a lot of parents, sadly unfortunately,
whose kids have actually gone missing due to actual abduction
and foul play. They sound desperate to give us every
piece of information that could possibly help find their child.
They want to take a lie detector to rule themselves out.
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They want to give an inventory of the clothes. They
want to get an accurate timeline. But if we really
have witnesses saying they saw the girl outside the house,
then it really doesn't matter if she had underwear, jeans
or whatever on in the house. She left the house
of her own under her own power. It sounds like
to me that's a runaway. Yeah, I'm with you on that.
And it's again, whenever I have family members of somebody missing,
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they are beside themselves trying to give you facts. And
and also, I mean, you know, my model is always
smart class. I mean, that guy practically laid on the
courthouse steps begging for people to take his polygraph, takes DNA, dagas, fingerprints,
whatever to to help. Okay, um, in this case, maybe
they all feel guilty, or maybe they all feel attacked
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in some way by you know, media, by everybody. So
maybe that explains it all. But I would be in
there going through her clothes trying to find out what's missing,
trying to find out where if the shoes are there,
so I could get an accurate description of what she's wearing. Also,
the cell phone joining me right now. In addition to
Robert Willinski, Joseph S. Gott Morgan and Dr Brian Russell
(34:49):
Is our crime online investigative reporter and journalists Lee Egan
Lee tell me one thing off the bat is have
those three witness ideas in the neighborhood being confirmed by police.
We did confirm with Sheriff Ingrid Braun with the Mono
County Sheriff's Department in California, that three different people did
indeed say that they saw someone who looked like Carly
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walking through her neighborhood early morning October. Now, two of
those people live inside the neighborhood, and then the other
person lives outside of the neighborhood and said he saw
her around a mile away from her neighborhood by a
barbed To our offence, two of the people have never
met Curly before, so they wouldn't know who she was
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if they saw her, but they did give a description
of the person that they saw which matched Carle's description.
The other person that has met Carley before said that
they could not be sure it was her, but it
was somebody that looked like her. Tipline seven six zero
nine three to seven five four nine, Hold on stop everything.
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We have got breaking news out of a d C
jury trial the so called mansion murderer who allegedly breaks
into a home many people believe, under the disguise of
delivering a pizza and wipes out almost the entire Savopolos family,
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the mom, the dad, the ten year old little boy,
and the housekeeper for what we now are learning, the
jury return a verdict. First, take a listen to this.
The trial went on for about six weeks and took
the jury about a day and a half to go
through all the evidence, and they returned with their verdict.
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The judge brought the jury in. They had the foreman
stand and then had the jurman foreman go through the
twenty counts in the indictment, and it was guilty on
every single count. Darren went stood next to his defense attorneys.
He was dressed in a dress, shirt and a tie.
He bowed his head as he was listening to the guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty,
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one after another. Afternoon straight out Now to Alan, do
you joining me, Allen? What happened in that courtroom? Well,
there was some blockbuster testimony. First, a little background. Savasavopolis,
his wife Amy, their ten year old son Philip, their housekeeper,
found beaten, strangled, stabbed to death inside this mansion in
north west Washington, d C. Back in May of first
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investigators thought several people were involved, but then finally they
arrested Darren Went, the only person arrested in charge. It
took him three years to build their case against Wit,
the case relying heavily on DNA evidence, including some DNA
taken from pizza crust that was ordered apparently during the incident.
Some eyewitness testimony at the trial was far from definitive,
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but it was forensic scientists testifying that Wentz DNA was
found on the pizza crust and also in a vest,
a green vest that was found inside the family's Porsche
that he stole from the house and set fire in
Prince George's County in Maryland. A lot of bombshell testimony.
In fact, Went took the stand in his own defense.
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His brother's Stefan Went, and his half brother Darryl, who
helped investigators, testified against him. His former fiance his brother
in law, also testified against him. Jordan Wallace, who worked
as an assistant for the family, took the stand and
spoke publicly for the first time since he was asked
to hand deliver forty dollars in ransom to the home.
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You know, one family member was not at home, the
other child. Her life has been totally devastated. I don't
think there's any such thing as closure in a case
like this, but I pray to God at least she
feels some sense of justice. All we can do now
is pray for remaining family and to the so called
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mansion murderer. Wrought in Hell. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing
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stops here dot com. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace re
searching for a sixteen year old girl missing in Monto County,
east of Yosemite National Park. Card goose was last seen
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early Saturday morning in Chalfont, about fourteen miles north of
Bishop Thor. He says she doesn't have her cell phone
or any personal belongings with her, and maybe disorder ended.
Police dogs and helicopters have been assisting in the search,
but as of last night, they've not been able to
locate her. Carly described to be five seven pounds with
dark blonde hair and blue eye Where is Curly Goosey?
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Tipline seven six zero nine three two seven five for nine.
This is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Gray. So we are
trying to find answers in the disappearance of a gorgeous
young girl, Carly Goosey. We know that investigators have searched
nearby neighborhoods and the desert terrain using helicopters and sent dogs.
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They have not found any clue. Listen. She's five ft seven,
about a hundred and fifteen pounds. She has blue eyes
and the cutest little nose and a great smile, and
her hair goes all the way down past her like
do her belly, let's say, mid waste, and she left
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in her jeans, um and a T shirt. So I'm
putting out there and just go for it. Everybody help
me out here. I love you all. Everybody please watch
share your friends share, my friends share. Everybody's just shared
out of it all right? Thank you? You are hearing
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the stepmother of missing Carly Goosey. That is Melissa Goo Say,
begging for help. Carly is missing and joining me right now?
Is that stepmm? Melissa Goo say and the bio dad
of Carly goo Say, Zachary Goo Say, Zachary and Melissa,
thank you so much for being with us. Thank you
for having Thank you Melissa. My first question is this, UM,
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I understand that you last saw Carly in bed with
you at around five thirty a M. Is that right?
But I'm sorry for you five Yeah, okay, I've got
five thirty and I've gotten six thirty, but now you're
clarifying it's five now. In your Facebook live, you said
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that she was wearing jeans. I think, yeah, I only
said that because she always wears her skinny jeans, so
I just assumed that she had her skinny jeans on?
Would she have worn blue jeans to bed? I have?
I had picked her up and she had her skinny
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jeans on. I no, But I mean when you were
in bed with her at five forty five am, did
she still have on her jeans? No? Okay? So yeah,
T shirt and just her underwear. Okay, let me understand
because in the Facebook live trying to get the description
of what she had on the last time you saw
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her out there. So in the Facebook last time I
saw her in our home, she only had a T
shirt and her undergarment. Okay. Then that Facebook live that
she blasted out saying look for her and the skinny jeans?
What what are we supposed to do with that? That?
That's not right? Well, yeah, I was in a panic,
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and she's not wanted to go out of the house
and sweatpants or hating. Okay, all right, So the last
time you saw her, she was not wearing what was
on the Facebook while she was wearing a T shirt?
And Andy's all right, question, Well, her pjs, the T
shirt was the T shirt found in the home after
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she disappeared. No, okay, what was on the T shirt?
What was it? From what I can remember, It was
like a van T shirt or some kind of T
shirt that had a logo on the back and then
the small one over like where your heart is got you?
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Was it white blue? What was it? It was like
a white creamish color. Okay, do you know what the
T shirt said? Okay, do you know the colors of
the T shirt? It was like a white creamish and
then the the logo was also very light. Okay, got it.
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And that T shirt that she was in bed with
wearing it is not in the home. That tells me
she's still in the T shirt? Yeah, she I could
not find that in the laundry or anywhere. Okay, got it. Now,
what about her skinny jeans? Are they missing? Yeah? I
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wouldn't even be able to say yes or no because
she has so many clothes. She has like hairs of
skinny jeans and so two different shirts. She has a
lot of clothes. Okay. Regarding the skinny jeans, were they
black or blue? The ones that she had worn the
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night before were light blue? Light blue? Are those missing?
The ones she wore the night before? Are they in
the dirty clothes? Where are they? I'm trying to figure
out what was she wearing? When she disappeared. I don't know,
because the two confirmed neighbors said that she had the
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white shirt and gray sweatpants. Okay, are the great sweatpants missing?
I don't know. Okay, she has so many clues I
can't even Yeah, let me ask you. This her cell phone.
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The boyfriend that came over said the cell phone her
cell phone, which I'm surprised you left it behind, but
that the cell phone was by the bed when the
cops got there. The cell phone was on the island
or in the kitchen? Is that part right? No, the
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cellphone was in the chicken the whole time. Okay, got it?
Let me think, do you know the code to get
into her cell phone? Yes? Okay? Did you go into
it to find out who she last texted? Yes? Okay.
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Who was she last speaking to? In what time? I
don't remember the time, but um, I was the last
person I had called her? Yeah, it was eight thirty
the name before because he got home at nine, so
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she was in the home at nine pm Friday night? Correct? Okay,
got it? Joining me. Also, in addition to carly Cusa's stepmother, Melissa,
is her biological dad, Zachary Zachary, Thank you for being
with us. We have got callers, callers, callers trying to
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nail down what happened and what the timeline is. Tell
me what your recollection is, Zachary. Of the night Carly,
your little girl goes missing the night early morning of Well,
what you recall? I assume you went to bed right?
All right? Well I got home just after work. Um,
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have you had a drink? Drink a couple of beers? Um?
Melissa and Carly showed up. Uh, Carly was acting enid? Um?
Wh wait what do you mean by that? Why was
she acting paranoid? Yeah, she had acted Well, I want
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to go to Zachary, what was she doing to to
saying paranoid? To you? She had admitted to smoking marijuana
and as the reason why I was I went to
go pick her up early. What was she doing that
was acting paranoid to you? Scared? I know? But what
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did you observe about her that seemed she was paranoid?
She just she just was acting very nervous and scared
about you know, her phone, about about us being around
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her at moments, and then at other moments she changed
and just just you know, say she loves us and
asked us if if she was okay, and of course said,
when you said she was acting nervous and afraid to
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be around you, what was she doing to make you
think that? I don't know she was she sloped hot.
I don't know what we were wrong with her, I know,
But you're telling me that she told you or told
your wife she had had marijuana. All right, you're saying
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she's acting paranoid. What was she doing? Was she pacing
the floor? Was she biting her fingernails? Was she twitching?
Was she crying? Was she anxious? Was she on her phone?
Did she call nine one one? What was she doing
to make you tell me that she was acting paranoid?
Because I've never seen children act paranoida I don't know
what that even looks like for a child. What was
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she doing? She was, uh, just staying in a corner, afraid,
afraid of not being safe. Did she say that, yeah,
she felt like she wasn't safe. Okay, Well, now now
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I'm hearing something. After many questions, she said she was afraid.
What was she afraid of? I really wish I knew
so when she said, Dad, I'm afraid, you didn't say
of what are you afraid? What are you afraid of? Yeah?
I did. I asked her several times, and she said,
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I don't know, Melissa, what do you recall? What was
she saying? I'm trying to figure this out so I
can figure out what may have happened to her. What
was she afraid of? Because to me, the fact that
she's too on you guys, she's afraid and then she
goes missing can't be separated. That's important, Melissa. What was
she saying she was afraid of? She kept saying, I
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don't know. I said, what are you afraid of? Your home?
We're safe, and she said and she said, I don't know.
And I was like, while we're here, you're home, you're safe,
It's okay. And then she's just very up and down
with being paranoid, and then the next minute she was
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like fine. It was like a roller coaster with her.
And then that's when we said, well, maybe it was
laced for something, but we don't know because nobody's saying anything,
and every says that it was just marijuana. Melissa, did
you video Carly that evening? Yeah? Why? Because I wanted
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to show her the next morning how she was acting
and what does the video show? It sas a voice clip.
It wasn't like a video of anything. Okay, Um, her
talking to me? What was she saying? She was saying
all sorts of things. She wanted me to spend the
night with her. She wanted me to paint her tone nails.
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She wanted to keep my tone nails. She wanted to color,
she wanted to read the Bible, she wanted to write.
There's so many things. Okay, that sounds crazy right there. Um,
let me think this through. So where is the video? Now?
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Have police saying the video? No? Why did they not
want to see it? Did you say boys? Police? Police? Oh? Police, yeah,
I believe they have it because our phones involved in flashed.
I mean did you show it to them? Yes? Good? Good? Good? Um,
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let me ask you this was the door locked when
you guys went to sleep that night? Now we don't
lock our house. Was there a yeah? Did did you
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guys have a dog? Is there any any way you
would be alerted if there was an intruder? Yeah, we
have a dog. She would have started barking and nothing
like that happened. No, okay, you with her? Okay? Now,
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then at at five, what happened. Do you say you
saw her the last time at five in the morning
in bed with her? What happened at Yeah? And then
I spelled back to sleep, okay, and then when I
woke back up, it was like seventy she was gone.
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So the working theory is between five and seven thirty
she disappears. Are any of her ses missing? Yeah? Okay.
Let me ask the obvious next question, what she's her?
There's several pairs of her she's missing now, investigators and everything? Right,
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she always wears bands, and her one pair of bands
was missing when they went through a closet, So that's
why I believe that she was in her band. Were
those missing that morning? Yeah? Okay. To Robin Willinski, Crime
online dot Com investigative reporter, what do you make of it? Well?
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I think that the clothing and the shoes is critical
because the weather in that area of the country at
night is going to be very cold. So did she
leave on foot? Did she indeed have those sneakers on?
Was she barefoot? Did she wander off? Did someone else
come into the house and say, hey, come with me.
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I think the clothing is absolutely critical. I think that
any video from any other homes in the area, any
you know, the local stores, you know, a seven eleven,
a gas station. Has she been seen? I think security
tapes really need to be reviewed. But I think it's
critical if someone had on sneakers, or they're leaving barefoot,
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or they're in soft I think that the what she
was wearing, there needs to be an inventory done of
her clothing as to really what she was wearing at
the time. I just go, oh, go ahead, Zachary. How
many people in the world war the exact amount of
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what clothes their kids have? I have three resting. I
just don't know. I wish I did, Zachary. I can
tell you right now that my son is wearing a
pair of black laceless tennis shoes, and my daughter was
wearing a pair of tan low cut converses. I know
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exactly what shoes and what socks they were. But on
the other hand, they're younger, and I laid those clothes
out for them, so I know what they have on
right now. I'm just wondering. You know, she, as you
were saying, was disoriented the night before. Did she take
off her clothes and leave them in the floor. Did
she wake up and put those back on because right
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now we can't even tell people what to look for
if she's wandering around because we don't know. Tennis shoes, vans,
a dark stair of sweatpants, and a white T shirt.
That's what we know. And that was confirmed by three
different people, two neighbors. And then okay, now I'm just
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hearing that for the first time. Tell me about that.
What did three neighbors say? Um? Okay, So when we
first went out searching in the morning, we searched for
two hours, and one neighbor that lives on our street,
he's older, and I asked him, I said, did you
see my daughter walking down the street, you know, young girl?
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And he said, yeah, actually I did, And I said
do you know what time? When he says he was
about six thirty and I was like okay. And then
as this just the searching, every thing keeps going on,
we have had three more people, who our neighbors who
live right in this community, that saw her wearing a
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white T shirt, gray sweatpants, and tennis shoes walking west
on our high on our and then the other one
confirmed person was a wotter, which is like some of
you broke out to chalk wood. He saw her at
seven thirty down by highway stick. Where in the world
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do you think she was headed? I have no idea.
I wish I knew. Do you know another parent or
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starting six I would much rather have that than yet
another plastic baby doll, or god forbid, a toy gun.
Just what I don't want. Joined the Justice Nation, Crime
stops here dot com. M My name is Melissa whose um.
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If you're gonna watch this video, please do not have
the kids around. Carly lane go say is missing. Still
she's been missing. Students breathe, mm hmm. She's been missing
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since six thirty am. The last time that I spoke
to her was by thirty. She didn't take her cell phone.
We're coming up on ten hours that she's been missing,
and I want to put this on blast because I
don't think she's out in the desert. I think that
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she could have been abducted or taken because we do
live by a highway and it happens, and I'm being real.
Where is Curly? Help us bring her home? Tip line
seven six zero nine three two seven five nine. Let
me ask to Robin Willinski. I'm hearing that police have
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not been able to confirm those neighbors saw Carly. What
do you know about that, Robin, Yeah, I think it's
still being looked into. I think that everyone on the
block is going to be interviewed in depth. And they're
going to you know, when, when are they going to
confirm it? I mean, that's that's a great question. I
will tell you this though, that you know this, Nancy,
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that people have very selective memories. They've done studies. You know,
you put somebody in a room and someone's wearing a
black shirt and you know, in red pants or or
white sneakers, and they commit a crime, and they say, hey,
what do you remember about that guy? And then you know,
especially if the person is older, people remember things very differently.
So are gonna have to take those neighbors and interview
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them separately and find out, uh, you know, what's up
and what's down? Did they really see her or not?
At six thirty in the morning, seven thirty in the
morning on a Saturday. Why are these people outside? How
did they see her? I have a lot of questions,
a lot of whats zach and Melissa are telling us.
Three neighbors thought, if even one of them are correct,
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then that was her. On the also that that that
three of them separated in time and space. Have all
three stated, at least to Melissa and zach Ory have
not police that they saw her. One corroborates the other
you see what I mean. The key thing is her demeanor.
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Was she running around in circles alone, acting crazy? Was
she having some sort of breakdown? Was she with the boyfriend?
Was she with some stranger. There's a lot of questions here,
a lot of those yourself. She was by herself, and
all witnesses have already been questioned and confirmed that, yes,
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it was her. Oh so police have confirmed the signings Melissa, Yes, yes, okay,
So let me go out to Joseph Scott Morgan forensics
expert Joe Scott. This investigation is going in so many directions.
But if these three witnesses are real, okay, then that
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is that's a serious, serious lead. If those three are real,
And I know what Robin Willinski is saying. I've had
defense attorneys say that in court a million times, and
there is a grain of truth to it. There is
that eye witnesses can be wrong. But when you've got
three different witnesses out of the neighborhood in three different
locations that I've not gotten together and cooked up a story,
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I can't imagine why they would. Then that is a
credible lead. Yeah, yeah, it is. And plus uh, if
they're marking time along this way where you have these
benchmarks where they're seeing this young girl at various locations
that kind of match up. I think. I think my
question to uh, to the dad is this, Uh, you
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guys live in this very isolated area that's just adjacent
to a lot of wilderness, and I'm just curious, do
you guys actually live north of the community of Bishop. Yes,
that's that's ten twelve miles north of the community of Bishop. Yes, okay,
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and then northbound of y'all is just kind of vacant.
I mean, there's not a lot a lot around that area. Uh.
Was she headed? Was she seen headed toward Bishop or
away from Bishop? With all of these neighbors on this timeline,
there's there's no clue to that. Um. The clue of
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her heading down towards Hiway six was was good because
then it corroborated with the man who was going looting
in the morning. If she was just standing on the
side of higher Wave six. The idea in which the
directions she had gone on Ihoway, if I could guess,
I would say south back to Bishop because his friend's
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boyfriend whatever is that? Where? Yeah? Is that where you
said her friends and whatnot? The boyfriend. Is that where
the school was located that she or where the school
is located that she currently attends. Is it in that
area there or is it some okay? Alrighty well, I
was just curious because it's so desolate out in that area.
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And am I correct in uh in stating that you
guys live adjacent to a national forest? Or is that
an Indian reservation? Yeah? We well, we're in the We
do not live on an Indian reservation. Our Indian reservations
in the town of the sup that is south of us.
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There's an Indian reservation in the town of Benton, which
is north of US. Um, I don't specifically live on
an Indian resident I guess what he's trying to ask
is the terrain around where she was headed. Is it desert?
Is it mountainous? Is it populated? What is it? Well,
(28:34):
it's high desert and it's high desert. And in that
you're I mean, we would live not far from the
Sierra Mountains. I live my house backed up to the
White Mountains. Um. Yeah, desert, the mountains here, it's not
what can you tell me? Okay, I've we've established the terrain.
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Joe Scott so we'll percolate on that for a moment.
I want to ask about a call in of a
possible signing of Carly and Labette, California at a gas station.
What if anything, do we know about that, Roby Wilensky. Yeah,
I am not venture on that. I will tell you
Nancy that the question that I have to the biological
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dad and step mom is really what the state of
mind was and when she was being recorded by her
step mom, what were the exact statements. Was she suicidal?
Was she upset with the boyfriend? Was there some other
kind of spat going on with another girlfriend? Sixteen year
old girls fight all the time? Was she suicidal? What
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was her state of mind? She wasn't suicidal. She was
just very paranoid. She was scared, and then when she
wanted to go to Bess, she didn't want to leave
my side, so I spent the whole night with her. Guys,
we are trying to find Carly. You say she's a
gorgeous young girl missing tipline seven six zero nine three
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two seven five four nine. You were just hearing from
the biological father of Carl Goosey. That would be Zachary
and the stepmother and Melissa do say, Remember all three
of these parents have been working with police, and they
all three say that foul play is involved. What do
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we really know? Joseph Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath
My Feet, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott, what's
your take on the evidence? One of the problems, Nancy,
is that the waters are so muddied that you can't
accoumple it. You can't accomplish the task that's at hand,
and that is finding this girl. That's the most critical
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thing here, because nobody can get on the same sheet
of music. I'm hoping that the trail has not gone
cold as far as physical evidence goes, that it hasn't
been destroyed, that hopefully we can we can peg down
some answers to try to get her found. Joining me
right now, Robin will Lynskey, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
Where we are on this, bringing you the very latest
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updates by the hour on Crime online dot Com. She's
also an author of The Beautiful Life The c S
I behind the Casey Anthony Trial. Robin will Leski, you
and I have seen a lot of investigations and let
me just tell you something, Robin. I can tell you
right now what John, David and Lucy even had in
their snack and what was in their backpack, the whole
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ship bang, right down to their socks. Okay, maybe I'm crazy,
and I own it. I own that. But They're all
I've got and I'm gonna know everything i can about them,
protect them, watch them, the works. I'm not taking away
from these parents. Maybe they're doing that in their own way.
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Plus there get as a team, all right. I imagine
it's gonna get harder as the years go by. But
I want to know, Robin, what you believe the facts
really are, what is going on, because none of this
is making sense to me. Yeah, I'm with you. I
have a little bit of a different take on the
than and your other guests. I think that the biological mother,
it sounds to me that she was not there. Clearly
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she may have known of dysfunction in the home if
her daughter was unhappy with the stepmother. There's no consistency
to anything. And here's another thing, and I'm gonna have
to go to Dr Brian on this. When I was
talking to Melissa and Zachary and I don't know if
I could detect it or not. With the mother, the
bio mom. Usually parents are like falling over trying to
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give you all the facts that they possibly can. Okay,
I felt like I was pulling teeth. I felt like
it was a kind of a little bit of a
confrontation trying to get facts out of the stepmother and
the dad. On the other hand, Brian, they may have
felt like they've been under attack, all right, So, and
(32:57):
they're responding in that way when anybody's in a corner
and there to attack, they come out defensive, right. So
I don't know what the truth of that is. But
I look, I'm a j D. I'm not a d D. Yes,
I don't know how to pull teeth. Okay. So I
was having a hard time getting facts. Well, yeah, and
that the difficulty that everybody hurts you having is the
(33:18):
thing that that is so curious. I mean, you and
I have talked to a lot of parents, sadly unfortunately,
whose kids have actually gone missing due to actual abduction
and foul play. They sound desperate to give us every
piece of information that could possibly help find their child.
They want to take a lie detector to rule themselves out.
(33:41):
They want to give an inventory of the clothes. They
want to get an accurate timeline. But if we really
have witnesses saying they saw the girl outside the house,
then it really doesn't matter if she had underwear, jeans
or whatever on in the house. She left the house
of her own under her own power. It sounds like
to me that's a runaway. Yeah, I'm with you on that.
And it's again, whenever I have family members of somebody missing,
(34:03):
they are beside themselves trying to give you facts. And
and also, I mean, you know, my model is always
smart class. I mean, that guy practically laid on the
courthouse steps begging for people to take his polygraph, takes DNA, dagas, fingerprints,
whatever to to help. Okay, um, in this case, maybe
they all feel guilty, or maybe they all feel attacked
(34:27):
in some way by you know, media, by everybody. So
maybe that explains it all. But I would be in
there going through her clothes trying to find out what's missing,
trying to find out where if the shoes are there,
so I could get an accurate description of what she's wearing. Also,
the cell phone joining me right now. In addition to
Robert Willinski, Joseph S. Gott Morgan and Dr Brian Russell
(34:49):
Is our crime online investigative reporter and journalists Lee Egan
Lee tell me one thing off the bat is have
those three witness ideas in the neighborhood being confirmed by police.
We did confirm with Sheriff Ingrid Braun with the Mono
County Sheriff's Department in California, that three different people did
indeed say that they saw someone who looked like Carly
(35:11):
walking through her neighborhood early morning October. Now, two of
those people live inside the neighborhood, and then the other
person lives outside of the neighborhood and said he saw
her around a mile away from her neighborhood by a
barbed To our offence, two of the people have never
met Curly before, so they wouldn't know who she was
(35:31):
if they saw her, but they did give a description
of the person that they saw which matched Carle's description.
The other person that has met Carley before said that
they could not be sure it was her, but it
was somebody that looked like her. Tipline seven six zero
nine three to seven five four nine, Hold on stop everything.
(35:51):
We have got breaking news out of a d C
jury trial the so called mansion murderer who allegedly breaks
into a home many people believe, under the disguise of
delivering a pizza and wipes out almost the entire Savopolos family,
(36:11):
the mom, the dad, the ten year old little boy,
and the housekeeper for what we now are learning, the
jury return a verdict. First, take a listen to this.
The trial went on for about six weeks and took
the jury about a day and a half to go
through all the evidence, and they returned with their verdict.
(36:33):
The judge brought the jury in. They had the foreman
stand and then had the jurman foreman go through the
twenty counts in the indictment, and it was guilty on
every single count. Darren went stood next to his defense attorneys.
He was dressed in a dress, shirt and a tie.
He bowed his head as he was listening to the guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty,
(36:55):
one after another. Afternoon straight out Now to Alan, do
you joining me, Allen? What happened in that courtroom? Well,
there was some blockbuster testimony. First, a little background. Savasavopolis,
his wife Amy, their ten year old son Philip, their housekeeper,
found beaten, strangled, stabbed to death inside this mansion in
north west Washington, d C. Back in May of first
(37:20):
investigators thought several people were involved, but then finally they
arrested Darren Went, the only person arrested in charge. It
took him three years to build their case against Wit,
the case relying heavily on DNA evidence, including some DNA
taken from pizza crust that was ordered apparently during the incident.
Some eyewitness testimony at the trial was far from definitive,
(37:42):
but it was forensic scientists testifying that Wentz DNA was
found on the pizza crust and also in a vest,
a green vest that was found inside the family's Porsche
that he stole from the house and set fire in
Prince George's County in Maryland. A lot of bombshell testimony.
In fact, Went took the stand in his own defense.
(38:03):
His brother's Stefan Went, and his half brother Darryl, who
helped investigators, testified against him. His former fiance his brother
in law, also testified against him. Jordan Wallace, who worked
as an assistant for the family, took the stand and
spoke publicly for the first time since he was asked
to hand deliver forty dollars in ransom to the home.
(38:24):
You know, one family member was not at home, the
other child. Her life has been totally devastated. I don't
think there's any such thing as closure in a case
like this, but I pray to God at least she
feels some sense of justice. All we can do now
is pray for remaining family and to the so called
(38:48):
mansion murderer. Wrought in Hell. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing
off goodbye friend,
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