April 29, 2019 • 36 mins
26-year-old, Prisma Reyes, is reported missing hours after failing to pick up her 6-year-old son from the babysitter. Police find security footage of Reyes at her last known whereabouts, but there is no trace of the former member of the National Guard
Nancy's expert panel weighs in:
Ashley Willcott: Judge and Trial Attorney
Jeff Cortese: Former FBI supervisory special agent
David Mack: Syndicated Radio Host
Robyn Walensky: crime online investigative reporter
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Her son he needs, he
needs to have his mother. Police have been searching for
the twenty six year old mother since Wednesday. Right now,
Mesquite Police detectives are going door to door that night,
she didn't pick up her child from the babysitter. Since
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her son was born, that's her whole world. I would
love this year. I'd love to be able to give
her a hug again, bringing her home to not pick
up their child when they're supposed to. I think that's
part of our biggest concern is why she didn't pick
her child up, and you know, is she safe? Where
is a beautiful young mom? Prisma, Denise Reys, I, Nancy Grace,
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this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Straight out to David Max, indicated talk show host. Start
at the very beginning. What do we know, Dave. We've
got a twenty six year old, beautiful woman with a
six year old son who leaves work during her lunch
hour and that's the last time anybody has seen her.
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She didn't show up to pick up her six year
old son. That was the tip off that family and
friends had knowing that something was amiss, because she would
never ever leave her six year old without his mom.
So they knew, and they immediately alerted everybody they could
and started looking immediately. We were talking about a twenty
six year old mom Priest mont Denise Rays. We know
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she didn't pick up her son from the babysitter's house,
which she did every work evening around seven thirty. Now,
this is what we know. She gets up as normal
that day, she goes to work, she drops the baby
at the babysitters like she always does, She reports to work,
she goes to lunch, and then she's never seen again.
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That's my understanding of the facts. With me an all
star panel, ash She Willcott judge Law, your anchor at
Ashley Wilcott dot com. Jeff Cortez, a FBI special agent,
Dave Max indicated talk show host from Karen Stark Psychologists
joining us from Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. And
Robin Malinski Crime Online dot com investigative reporter. I want
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to go to Jeff Cortiz, a former FBI special agent. Jeff, I,
like Dave Mack, find the most uncharacteristic mark of this
to be that she did not pick up her baby,
Because maybe I'm projecting my own feelings, but I would
never ever not pick up the twins. Ever, I'd have
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to be incapacitated not to pick up my children. Jeff, Yeah, absolutely,
And I think that that point was definitely not lost
on law enforcement between especially after understanding and gaining some
visibility and clear y on the relationship between the mother
and the son, it did appear that that to be
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a very standout, in significant moment, not the least of
which also included the fact that they found the vehicle
the next day. So those were two extremely telling indicators
for law enforcement. What do we know about the moments
of her disappearance? Listen to our friend at CBS eleven.
This is Andrea Lucia. Security footage shows Prisma Rayas standing
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by an elevator at this Dallas department complex just before
six o'clock Wednesday evening, talking on the phone. It is
the last sign of the twenty six year old single mother.
Mosquite police have been able to find her. Cheap wrangler
was found parked in the same complex. Her mother, Lilia Batata,
says this has never happened before. She last communicated with
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her daughter Wednesday at noon to warn her about the
storms in the forecast that evening, she kept checking her phone.
Badauda says she was looking to see if Rayas had
sent her a message or a photo of her grandson,
as she usually does instead, but out that later learned
her daughter had never showed up at her friend's house
to pick him up after work. Now Musquite police are
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trying to piece together what happened. It is unusual, I think,
for anyone to maybe abandon a vehicle, and but really
to not pick up their child when they're supposed to.
I think that's part of our biggest concern is why
she didn't pick her child up and you know, is
she's safe? Okay, that's telling me something I didn't know
with me. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor at Ashley
Wilcott dot com. Ashley, that puts her alive after six pm,
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and then she is reported missing after she doesn't pick
up the baby at seven thirty. Now that's my understanding
of the facts. In my mind. Before I hear that reporting,
I thought she just didn't come back from once. That
was one report I had heard, Ashley. But if she
is alive and well at six and then she's not
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somewhere at seven thirty. That should really refine the timeline absolutely, so,
as you well know, Nancy, in all of these cases,
timeline is the most important thing because you've got to
narrow it down to figure out and be able to
focus the investigation. That significantly changes the timeline, so they
can start focusing on where did she go at six
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o'clock and what happened between them and seven thirty. You know,
and right now this is a huge, vast investigation because
we don't know where she is during that timeline yet. Yeah,
I mean that's a huge, big deal. Jeff Cortez, FBI
Special Agent, Jeff, because if we're starting the timeline where
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I thought we were starting it at twelve when she
goes to lunch, this buys me six more hours of
knowing she's alive and well, now I don't have to
worry about who she had lunch with, where she was
at lunch and trk that down with receipts or ATMs
or even you know, the on star in her car
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or serious radio. Now I can start at six o'clock
if that reporting is accurate, that she's caught on video surbillance,
and I'm looking right now at the video surveillance. If
this is the same thing, and I'm pretty sure it is,
she is. She has on a red it looks like
an i don't know, like a soccer a professional soccer shirt.
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She is talking on her cell phone, she's got her
pocketbook in the crook of her arm, she's holding her keys,
and she's you know, walking around. It looks like waiting
on an elevator in a parking deck, talking on her phone.
If that's at six o'clock, the advancement of that timeline
is highly significant. Jeff No, absolutely, and the timeline is
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critical to the investigative process. There's there's no doubt about it.
But certainly the events leading up to six o'clock. So
even where she was at noon and where those receipts are,
what restaurant they might be coming back from, those are
also critical because the events leading up to the point
in which we last identify her location could be significant
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to painting the picture of where she is now. Speaking
on spotting her, listen to ABC thirteen reporter David Goins,
it's been four days, but it feels like it's already
longer than then. When there are a few clues, Rudy
Peralta fills his time instead with questions he cannot answer.
I want to know where my sister's in, he says.
He spoke with twenty six year old Prisma Peralta Reus
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about a week ago. Nothing eventful, just work and busy
life as a mom to her six year old son.
Deep was her baby, I mean, her kid was her world.
Mesquite police says something in Prisma's world change Wednesday night
when she failed to pick up her son from the
babysitter after work. I just need that that's not her.
Detectives discovered her jeep wrangler fifteen miles away, abandoned at
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this apartment complex just east of downtown Dallas near Hall
and Ross. Prisma wasn't there, she wasn't entering her phone.
Then on Friday, Mesquite investigators released this video. They are
the last known images of Priestman, taken outside an elevator
at that East Dallas apartment complex. Belie say they've counted
the person that she's on the phone with and interviewed them,
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but haven't said anymore. I've seen that videos. It made
me break down and made me just falling, you know,
knowing that that's the last thing I could see from her,
But Arlta says he looks up to his big sister,
the first to go to college, inspany, a hard worker
and dedicated mom. She's really muture, really smart, she's really funny,
which is why he admits nothing makes sense right now.
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He hopes anyone who may have seen his sister around
this complex on Wednesday will come forward and provide a
clue that could help lead her family to answers they
do not have tonight. I don't want to spend the
rest of my life knowing that I don't I don't
have one older sister. Straight out to Dave Max, indicated
talk show host Dave, what can you tell me about
the timing of that video? Is it at six o'clocks
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and Nancy and it is crucial the location where this
part deck is and why she was at that apartment
complex you mentioned earlier. We don't know where she was
between noon or roughly around lunchtime until we see her
in the surveillance video at five fifty pm. It is
the apartment complex of an ex boyfriend and the relationship
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did not end well, according to her sister. Prime Stories
with Nancy Grace Photos Chrisma rayas posted on Facebook. The
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endearing caption reads, Dad, look at all of these memories.
Very loving, very karen, very smart. Dan Fuchs is the
dad she's referring to. He's her stepfather, but loves Prisma
like his own. I looked at her just like she
one of my own natural children. Dan said he was
out of state driving his truck when he got the
call about Prisma's disappearance. I just haven't come to the
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reality of it yet, you know, I just I'm just
trying to keep myself busy, man, That's all I can
really do. Police have been searching for the twenty six
year old mother since Wednesday. That night, she didn't pick
up her child from the babysitter since her son was born.
That's her whole world. We are talking about a gorgeous
twenty six year old mom, PRIs Mareus, who goes missing
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after work, apparently on her way to pick up her
baby from daycare. You know another thing about her, to
Robin will Let's ki joining me now Crime online dot
Com investigative reporter, is not only did she hold down
a very responsible job as a paralegal, she also had
been National Guard and that invokes the idea of a
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certain discipline to be in the military, and she had
an excellent reputation and record with the National Guard. I
find it very difficult to believe this mom, who had
never once failed to pick up her child, didn't call
in sick to work, didn't lay out whatever she felt
like it, suddenly missus the pickup for her child. And
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the fact that I'm now learning she was National Guard
gives me a different insight into her personality. Robin, you know, Nancy,
she's a very disciplined person. By all accounts. They have
looked at her records. She shows up to work on time,
she takes her son, the six year old, to the babysitter.
She has a brother and a sister. She's in touch
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with the parents on a regular basis. This is not
someone who is irresponsible. This is someone who is very
responsible and Nancy, as you know, I lived in Dallas
for many years. I just want to say something about
the geography of this. She was living in Mesquite, Texas,
which is a little bit more suburban, and there's a
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fifteen one five mile radiant from her home where she
lives with the sun to the location where she's last
seen on the videotape wearing the red shirt a soccer
shirt as you described with the jeans. So fifteen miles
it doesn't sound like a lot, but in Dallas, Texas,
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where the highways are very vast and there's just you know,
a lot of road between point A and point B,
there is terrain here to cover. Robin Willinski, jointing me
Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. Then we get another
development in the case of discovery of her vehicle seemingly abandoned.
That's right, Nancy. The car is found in a parking
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deck in Old East Dallas. This is fifteen one five
miles away from where she lives in Mesquite, Texas, and
you would have to go on highways and then a
couple of small roads to get to where the apartment
complex is an Old East Dallas and where she works.
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I understand it's kind of midway between the two between
the home and where the car, the jeep Wrangler twenty
seventeen model is found. But more can you tell me
about that? Dave, Max and Kady talks to her us
about the discovery of her jeep. Well, the jeep is
actually located about a block away from the apartment complex
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that it was associated with. H she will cut, joining
me as well as Jeff Cortez, FBI, Dave matt Ker,
and start Robi Linsky to Jeff Cortez, what's the first
thing the FBI would do with an abandoned vehicle given
these circumstances. One of the things they're gonna do is
they're gonna process that vehicle. So they're gonna be looking
for fingerprints DNA. They're gonna be checking the position of
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the driver's seat to see if, in fact, a five
foot two woman was driving it, or if somebody else
was driving it. They're gonna be looking for signs of
a struggle, any indication that this vehicle was part of
some Let me go through everything you just said, Jeff Cortez,
he is the former fed with the FBI special agent.
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I'm gonna go through everything you just said with the
fine tooth comb number one. When you said the seat,
Remember Ashley Wilcot and Tara Grinstead's car, who a beloved
high school teacher, beauty queen getting her master's degree, brilliant, beautiful.
The works disappears, never seen again. She was a neat freak.
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Her home was incredibly neat everything in order her car.
You know those people that their car still smells new
after two or three years. She was like that. But
when they got her car, Ashley, it was covered in mud.
And just like Jeff Cortize is saying, the driver's seat
was pushed back, nobody her size would have been able
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to hit the gas or the brakes, Ashley. That says
everything to me, Nancy. You know, my very first employer
got in my car when I was out of law school.
We were driving to a deposition, and you know, he
said to me, you could always tell a lot about
a person by their car. I completely agree. But with
the seat all the way back like that, that is
a huge clue that it wasn't just her driving, got
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out of the car, got a wild tear, took off
all of that in conjunction with this is a reliable,
responsible young mother who's never not picked up her child,
and the seats back like that, We've got a problem. Yeah, everybody.
If you want to see mock up of her vehicle
or the video of her the last known signing a Prisma,
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please go to crime online dot com. We've got the
tipline and everything breaking in this story. Another issue back
to d Jeff Cortez regarding the car, what would you
look for if you were looking for signs of struggle,
as you pointed out, if she was somebody who was
more meticulous in her cleaning. I'm gonna look for something disrupting,
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something that suggests that the the items within the car
had been moved around. I'm gonna be looking for tears.
I'm gonna be you know, this is a relatively um
small vehicle or smaller vehicle, but I'm gonna be looking
for bloodstains. I'm gonna be looking for globs of hair, mud,
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or dirt, things that might otherwise seem out of place.
You know, all of that is visible to the naked eye.
Jeff Cortez a FBI. What about that evidence that is
not visible to the naked eye? Fibers. I'm talking about
fibers that was that were used to connect all the
victims in the Wayne Williams serial killer case first time
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in the country. I'm talking about the use of luminol
to find possibly invisible to the naked eye blood. What
else can you find in a car that would not
be visible to the naked eye? Sure scent, you could
find DNA fibers, skin follicles. You can find pieces of
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from an individual person that might identify a DNA that
is different or unusual or inconsistent with the rest of
the car. You know, speaking of the car and everything
that Jeff Cortize is advising us that would be looked for.
You know, also Jeff Cortize, you have to look at
something like you're on Star which might be tracking you
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or some type of GPS in there that may say
where the car has been before it was abandoned there.
And speaking of where it's abandoned, Robert Lensky Crime online
dot Com, I'm curious because it means a lot. Was
it down or ravine? Was it left out in the woods?
Was it in a disley wooded area? Was it in
a Walmart parking lot? You know a lot of times
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you hear of cars that are part of kidnappings or
that have been stolen part of the very last spot
in a Walmart or behind the grocery store where nobody's
going to see it until several days have passed. What
do we know about where PRIs moray As jeep was abandoned?
It was in some sort of a parking lot area
because the neighborhood where this apartment complexes in oldies Dallas
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is basically nancy three to four story apartment buildings, and
it has lots of parking lots. It's not really a
wooded area. There's basically apartment complexes and places to park
your vehicle. So somebody would park it there and it
would just blend in into dozens and dozens and dozens,
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maybe hundreds of other cars as the days pass. Where
is PRIs montray As. One day after her disappearance, police
recovered Rayz's jeep from the same apartment complex and say
they've spoken to the person on the other end of
Rays's phone call. I've seen that video. It made me
break down, made me just following, you know, knowing that
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that's the last thing I could see from the Mosquite,
Texas police say Rays seemed to be behaving normally. She's
just talking on the phone. She doesn't not appear to
be under drest or anything, but her stepfather says he
is concerned that this video may show just the opposite,
the way she was floundering, her arm and a lanyard
for her Keith run. It's just a trait that she has.
It is unusual, I think for anyone to maybe abandon
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a vehicle and but really to not pick up their
child when they're supposed to. I think that's part of
our biggest concern is why she didn't pick her child up,
and you know, is she safe? And so that surveillance
video is critical, and this morning we don't know what,
if any evidence, police have been able to gather from
her car. We do know, however, that calls to her
cell phone have gone unanswered. Her family and police are
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desperate to find her. You're hearing our friends at ABC's GMA.
That was Marcus Moore. That's another issue. To Jeff Corteze,
it matters to me if when you dial a cell phone,
if it goes straight to voicemail, if it continues to ring,
you go straight to voicemail. To me, that says is
dead or it's been shut off. If it's still ringing,
I mean, this is just anecdotal, and I think that's
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what that means. It means it's still working. If it's
still working, you can get a ping off of it. Yeah. Absolutely,
And that's going to be an early investigative step that
law enforcement should be taking. And I would imagine did take,
and that is to triangulate and circulate around the cell
towers in which that phone might be heading off of two.
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Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer or anchor at Ashley Wilcott
dot com. Ashley, the cell phone records should tell us
a lot. Cell phone records are some of the best
evidence because remember we can then see where the phone
last was, where did it ping, and how far was
it from where she is Because wherever it pinged, wherever
it was, then law enforcement can go to those locations
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to track her down. So cell phone records are one
of the things that often can break a case wide open.
You know, I keep looking at this video and again
you can see it at crime on line dot com.
Some people have says she looks distraught. She doesn't look
distraught at all to me. She's got on um like
capri jeans or gene tights. She's got on black tennis
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shoes with a white bottom. She's got her bag on
her arm like she may be going backs cooked in
her right arm. She's got a long key chain. It
looks like it's something should wear around her neck like
an employee. I d and again kind of a red
soccer looking shirt, and she's talking a lot of phone.
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She's just kind of wandering around talking to me, and
I know all of you guys have looked at it.
To Dave, Max Indicated talks to her, she doesn't look
distraught at all to me. And she's not flailing her
arms around. She's just walking back and forth, shifting her weight.
It looks like she's waiting on an elevator in a
parking debt. That's clear. It appears to be. But Nancy,
here's the catch. Her stepfather, Dan Fuchs, actually made a
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comment specifically about how normal that appears to most people.
If you've got a child, you know, they have different
tells when they're nervous, when they're upset, they do different things.
And Dan feuds her stepfather, who she referred to his dad.
He says that that actually shows that she was nervous,
there was something going on, because what appears to be
normal to you and me, we don't know her. He
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knows her, and he said that that behavior actually showed
something was going on to him. You know what, you're
right as she will hut. I mean I can look
at John, Dave or Lucy, my twins and they can
exhibit a behavior that looks normal to somebody else, but
I know it means something very different. Absolutely, you can
look at a child, you can look at someone that
you're related to, your own child, and you're right, you know.
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And I always say trust your gut because even if
you don't know what it is, why they're acting different,
why they seem different, you know, And the majority of
the time, if not every time, you are going to
be dead on right that something's wrong. Guys, we are
talking about missing Prisma Ress, twenty six year old mom.
Her little boy left at the babysitter. She always picks
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the baby up at seven thirty when she gets off.
So I want to talk some more about what we
can see in the video about the location of her vehicle.
Another issue I'm trying to find out about Robin Molinsky
Crime Online dot Com is the nature and scope of
the search because at the beginning they no one would
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even say she was missing. Why is it, Robin. Whenever
a woman disappears, everybody says, oh, she's run off with
her boyfriend. She has not run off with her boyfriend.
It took some time before everybody agreed she's missing. Yeah,
that's nonsense. Set women are just running off into the sunset.
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I don't buy it for a minute. This is someone who, again,
who really has a regulated schedule. When you have your
kids at the babysitter, you pick them off so you're
not overcharged. Here's the bottom line. This is a woman
who abided by a schedule every day. She didn't just
run off into the sunset. That's nonsense. But what strikes
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me about this video that is so specific. I've watched
it a couple of times. The phone, Nancy, She's speaking
on the phone, she's holding it in our hand. The
conversation is on a speaker phone. Are you talking in
a private conversation, a deep conversation with your lover or
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your husband, or your boyfriend or a boss, and letting
anyone who would be walking by getting off that elevator.
She has the phone on speaker in her right hand,
and the ID and the keys on that long lanyard
are in her left hand. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Robin, Robin,
So you think it's unusual for someone to talk on
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speaker because hello, is it just me, Dave mac Because
I've read all these suggestions that you should not ho
your phone right up to your head. Okay, I don't
want all those radio waves going through my head. I
don't care who's scoffing at me. They said cigarette didn't
cause cancer either, Look what about that? So I talked
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to everybody on speaker. Unless I can manage to steal that,
you're plug away from one of my twins who clutch
it like it's gold. So I'm always on speaker. Everybody
hears everything i'm saying. I'm just saying. I'm sorry. You
have to hear me talking to my eighty seven year
old mother. He's hard of hearing. I have to scream. Okay,
I'm sorry, But yeah, I don't think that's ought to
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be talking on speaker? Is that? Is that just me?
Dave Matt No, I think it's normal. And actually, Nancy,
you know, while many of us we see that and
we wonder who she talking to, what's going on? Well,
the police have already talked to the person on the
other end of that phone call. They're not telling us who, what, when,
or where, but they already talked to that individual and
then said it has nothing to do with this case. Okay,
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Ash will caught. Did you just hear Dave Matt completely
ignore what I say said? What is it with men? Dude?
Can they not? First of all, cut Dave, Max, Mike.
I don't want to hear him right now, Ashley, what
is it not you, Jeff Cortize? Of course, because you're perfect,
But what is wrong with them? I just said, I
don't think it's weird che's on speaker phone, that I
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do it all the time because I don't want ear
cancer or brain cancer or any other kind of cancer.
Lord help me. And he just goes off on something else.
Did you hear that? I did hear that I did?
It was non responsive, darn it. So let me just
say with him, I completely agree with you. I'm on
speaker phone the majority of the time. Now. If it's
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in a bunch of people and it's rude, I certainly
take it off speaker, but I always use speaker phone.
It's also easier because I can hold it right in
front of me. Yeah. I can clear out a whole
room screaming into the phone trying to make my mother
hear me. No problem, Okay, let Dave mac back in
now he's spanked enough. So Cortez, did you hear that?
Jeff Cortize, what Mac just said that they've spoken to
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the person she was talking to on the phone interview.
Then they whoever it is, they won't divulge it, but
they've spoken willingly. So that's really not helping me except
giving me a time another clue. Maybe that person knew
where she was headed. Man, it helps me a little bit,
I guess. Jeff Cortiz, Yeah, I think even identifying people
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who are not facilitators in nefarious activity is helpful to
law enforcement. So being able to cross names offul list
can always be helpful and is helpful, especially when you're
dealing with a missing person case. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
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Dan says it's out of character. Prisma would never run away,
and most importantly, she would never leave her son. Her
son he needs, he needs to have his mother. Police
release surveillance video of prisma last scene in Dallas. To
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people who don't know her, it may seem normal, but
to Dan, he's analyzing every movement and worried she was
in distress. The way she was floundering, her arm and
a lanyard for her keys round. It's just a trait
that she has. He is hoping his daughter is safe.
I would love to see her, you know, I'd love
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to be able to give her a hug again, to
bring her home. That's about all I ask. As you know,
right or wrong, every investigation into a homicide or a
missing person starts close to home. I'm talking about your husband,
your boyfriend, your ex, the guy that was your ex
three years ago, and you've got a t r against him,
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anyone close to you and your immediate orbit. And if
that fails, you step out. Coworkers, neighbors, associates. Then you
step out, and you keep going. End up with the
pizza delivery boy, you end up with the guy at
the grocery store, you end up with the bank teller,
and it goes on and on and on. Because normally,
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right or wrong, Jeff Cortez, a former FBI special agent,
homicides occur by people that know you, not necessarily your husband,
but maybe your husband, your ex, your boyfriend, and then
you move out, ever so slightly. Statistically, that's true. Do
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you agree? Oh? Absolutely, absolutely that's the case. So in
that scenario, I want to hear first about the search.
What is being done? Are they using k nines? Are
they walking shoulder to shoulder with cadets? What has been done,
Dave Matt syndicated talk show hosts Two Fine Prisma Denise Matthy.
They actually have done exactly as you describe. They've gone
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door to door, canvassing the entire apartment complex that is
attached to this parking garage where we saw her on
that video at five fifty in the evening. They've canvassed
the neighborhood. They've talked to everybody, every family member, co workers,
pasco workers, They've talked with everybody at this point. There
it's an exhaustive search. Letscape police going door to door
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in the area where Prisma Denise was last seen. They
asked everyone to check security cameras and hopes of finding
more footage of her the day she goes missing. The
little boy, I understand is with relatives. What can you
tell me, Robin Malinsky crime online dot com about where
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where's the father of the little boy? Where does he live?
That is the big outstanding question. Let's talk about the search.
To Dave Matt, you said everything has been done. I
assume that may's looking at bodies of water if there
is one nearby, bringing in tracker dogs, cadaver dogs, scent dogs.
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You told me shoulder to soldier shirts. Have they done
drone and air search as well? Dave Matt Nancy. What
we've been told by the police thus far is that
they've done an extensive search around the apartment complex of
that thirty five hundred block of Roseland Avenue, which is
where her vehicle was found at what they referred to
as abandoned and where that video was taken of the
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CC camera that we saw. They've gone to every apartment building,
every apartment, they've knocked on the doors. They've gone to
the other buildings along that same block, knocking on doors
to talk to anybody who has any information about the
evening that Prism was last seen. Speaking of starting with
a small nucleus, take a listen to our friend at
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fox Ford, Dallas, says Alex Boyer. Right now, Mesquite police
detectives are going door to door in this area. They're
asking folks to check their surveillance video. They're hoping that
there's additional video of PRIs Mareyas from the night she
went missing in this area. Meanwhile, her mother and sister
are devastated. They're waiting for answers. Where is she? We
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have to know? Still no sign of the devoted single
mother from his ski. It's hard seeing my nephew every
morning and knowing that he might not be able to
see his mom ever again. Dallas police officers located rays
Is cheap abandoned on Rosalind Avenue in Oldies, Dallas last
Thursday morning. Surveillance video released by police places ray Is
at a nearby apartment complex around five to fifty Wednesday night.
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Investigators have not said why they believed she may have
been there, but Rays' sister revealed a possible link. We
do know of an ex boyfriend that lives there and
her car was parked the block from there. As Morelda
Pilalda reported that information to police. She tells me the
relationship ended badly. Let's talk about the obvious, the boyfriend.
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Ashley Wilcott judge, trial lawyer or anchor Ashley Wilcott dot com. Ashley,
he should expect to be questioned. That's just sp stenter
operating procedure. And I find it very probative that she
was in his apartment complex going to pick up the
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baby and the car was found not too far away
from the apartment complex. Ashley, Yeah, it does not give
me a good feeling at all, Nancy, A couple of things.
Number One, he should absolutely expect to be questioned, because
they should be questioning everyone that she has contact with
or known in the area, or that knows her. Second,
you know as well as I do, the statistics part
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of it, most people. Things don't happen to most people
by strangers. Usually statistically, it's by someone that we know,
someone that knows us. And he would fit that bill.
So he is a potential He's certainly a person of interest,
if not a potential suspect. We know that in the
hours after Prisma Denise disappears, her sister called her on
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her cell and it rang and rang and rang, going
to voicemail. Now the cell phone appears to be off
or the battery drained. That's significant, Jeff Cortiz, because right
after we note she was gone, and that's around seven thirty,
when she didn't pick up the baby, the phone was
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still working. How long Jeff, does it take to get triangulation. Well,
I mean you could look at historical records to get
an idea of a general vicinity. If you're talking about
getting a precise location, Uh, you know that that doesn't
take very long. But you know, there are court processes
in place that you know, protect people from the government
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being able to do that too seamlessly. Now in a
missing person case, obviously there are some exigent circumstances that said,
this being the same evening, the turnaround time on such
a court order might might be hard to put a
finger on that. And I don't really know at what
point the phone stopped working, so you know, the phone
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does need to be operational for them to get that
close pings beyond just hitting off a cell tower. Another
thing we know, and correct me if I'm wrong. Robin
will as Kin, Dave matt Is, the person she was
talking to, has not only been identified interviewed, but they
have been cleared as well, according to the information that
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we're getting. Yeah, he's no longer he's not a person
of enter or she He or she is not a
person of interest. They've already done the interview and has
said that that call has nothing to do with What
about the boyfriend. I don't know the boyfriend's name yet,
that has not been released. But is he considered a
person of interest? Nancy? At this point, I don't know
his name either, And I'm not even going to assume
the police have talked to him, because you know as
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well as I do, people lawyer up right away, and
knowing that this according to her sister, the relationship ended
badly infer and that what you want. But I'm going
to assume that she's telling the truth and that this
guy is going to have already lawyered up, is not
talking to anybody, but we don't know that. Where is
PRIs mut Denise Yes. If you have information, please call
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nine seven two two eight five six three three six
repeat nine seven two two eight five six three three
six Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Her son he needs, he
needs to have his mother. Police have been searching for
the twenty six year old mother since Wednesday. Right now,
Mesquite Police detectives are going door to door that night,
she didn't pick up her child from the babysitter. Since
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her son was born, that's her whole world. I would
love this year. I'd love to be able to give
her a hug again, bringing her home to not pick
up their child when they're supposed to. I think that's
part of our biggest concern is why she didn't pick
her child up, and you know, is she safe? Where
is a beautiful young mom? Prisma, Denise Reys, I, Nancy Grace,
(00:49):
this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
Straight out to David Max, indicated talk show host. Start
at the very beginning. What do we know, Dave. We've
got a twenty six year old, beautiful woman with a
six year old son who leaves work during her lunch
hour and that's the last time anybody has seen her.
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She didn't show up to pick up her six year
old son. That was the tip off that family and
friends had knowing that something was amiss, because she would
never ever leave her six year old without his mom.
So they knew, and they immediately alerted everybody they could
and started looking immediately. We were talking about a twenty
six year old mom Priest mont Denise Rays. We know
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she didn't pick up her son from the babysitter's house,
which she did every work evening around seven thirty. Now,
this is what we know. She gets up as normal
that day, she goes to work, she drops the baby
at the babysitters like she always does, She reports to work,
she goes to lunch, and then she's never seen again.
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That's my understanding of the facts. With me an all
star panel, ash She Willcott judge Law, your anchor at
Ashley Wilcott dot com. Jeff Cortez, a FBI special agent,
Dave Max indicated talk show host from Karen Stark Psychologists
joining us from Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. And
Robin Malinski Crime Online dot com investigative reporter. I want
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to go to Jeff Cortiz, a former FBI special agent. Jeff, I,
like Dave Mack, find the most uncharacteristic mark of this
to be that she did not pick up her baby,
Because maybe I'm projecting my own feelings, but I would
never ever not pick up the twins. Ever, I'd have
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to be incapacitated not to pick up my children. Jeff, Yeah, absolutely,
And I think that that point was definitely not lost
on law enforcement between especially after understanding and gaining some
visibility and clear y on the relationship between the mother
and the son, it did appear that that to be
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a very standout, in significant moment, not the least of
which also included the fact that they found the vehicle
the next day. So those were two extremely telling indicators
for law enforcement. What do we know about the moments
of her disappearance? Listen to our friend at CBS eleven.
This is Andrea Lucia. Security footage shows Prisma Rayas standing
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by an elevator at this Dallas department complex just before
six o'clock Wednesday evening, talking on the phone. It is
the last sign of the twenty six year old single mother.
Mosquite police have been able to find her. Cheap wrangler
was found parked in the same complex. Her mother, Lilia Batata,
says this has never happened before. She last communicated with
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her daughter Wednesday at noon to warn her about the
storms in the forecast that evening, she kept checking her phone.
Badauda says she was looking to see if Rayas had
sent her a message or a photo of her grandson,
as she usually does instead, but out that later learned
her daughter had never showed up at her friend's house
to pick him up after work. Now Musquite police are
(04:09):
trying to piece together what happened. It is unusual, I think,
for anyone to maybe abandon a vehicle, and but really
to not pick up their child when they're supposed to.
I think that's part of our biggest concern is why
she didn't pick her child up and you know, is
she's safe? Okay, that's telling me something I didn't know
with me. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor at Ashley
Wilcott dot com. Ashley, that puts her alive after six pm,
(04:35):
and then she is reported missing after she doesn't pick
up the baby at seven thirty. Now that's my understanding
of the facts. In my mind. Before I hear that reporting,
I thought she just didn't come back from once. That
was one report I had heard, Ashley. But if she
is alive and well at six and then she's not
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somewhere at seven thirty. That should really refine the timeline absolutely, so,
as you well know, Nancy, in all of these cases,
timeline is the most important thing because you've got to
narrow it down to figure out and be able to
focus the investigation. That significantly changes the timeline, so they
can start focusing on where did she go at six
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o'clock and what happened between them and seven thirty. You know,
and right now this is a huge, vast investigation because
we don't know where she is during that timeline yet. Yeah,
I mean that's a huge, big deal. Jeff Cortez, FBI
Special Agent, Jeff, because if we're starting the timeline where
(05:38):
I thought we were starting it at twelve when she
goes to lunch, this buys me six more hours of
knowing she's alive and well, now I don't have to
worry about who she had lunch with, where she was
at lunch and trk that down with receipts or ATMs
or even you know, the on star in her car
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or serious radio. Now I can start at six o'clock
if that reporting is accurate, that she's caught on video surbillance,
and I'm looking right now at the video surveillance. If
this is the same thing, and I'm pretty sure it is,
she is. She has on a red it looks like
an i don't know, like a soccer a professional soccer shirt.
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She is talking on her cell phone, she's got her
pocketbook in the crook of her arm, she's holding her keys,
and she's you know, walking around. It looks like waiting
on an elevator in a parking deck, talking on her phone.
If that's at six o'clock, the advancement of that timeline
is highly significant. Jeff No, absolutely, and the timeline is
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critical to the investigative process. There's there's no doubt about it.
But certainly the events leading up to six o'clock. So
even where she was at noon and where those receipts are,
what restaurant they might be coming back from, those are
also critical because the events leading up to the point
in which we last identify her location could be significant
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to painting the picture of where she is now. Speaking
on spotting her, listen to ABC thirteen reporter David Goins,
it's been four days, but it feels like it's already
longer than then. When there are a few clues, Rudy
Peralta fills his time instead with questions he cannot answer.
I want to know where my sister's in, he says.
He spoke with twenty six year old Prisma Peralta Reus
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about a week ago. Nothing eventful, just work and busy
life as a mom to her six year old son.
Deep was her baby, I mean, her kid was her world.
Mesquite police says something in Prisma's world change Wednesday night
when she failed to pick up her son from the
babysitter after work. I just need that that's not her.
Detectives discovered her jeep wrangler fifteen miles away, abandoned at
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this apartment complex just east of downtown Dallas near Hall
and Ross. Prisma wasn't there, she wasn't entering her phone.
Then on Friday, Mesquite investigators released this video. They are
the last known images of Priestman, taken outside an elevator
at that East Dallas apartment complex. Belie say they've counted
the person that she's on the phone with and interviewed them,
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but haven't said anymore. I've seen that videos. It made
me break down and made me just falling, you know,
knowing that that's the last thing I could see from her,
But Arlta says he looks up to his big sister,
the first to go to college, inspany, a hard worker
and dedicated mom. She's really muture, really smart, she's really funny,
which is why he admits nothing makes sense right now.
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He hopes anyone who may have seen his sister around
this complex on Wednesday will come forward and provide a
clue that could help lead her family to answers they
do not have tonight. I don't want to spend the
rest of my life knowing that I don't I don't
have one older sister. Straight out to Dave Max, indicated
talk show host Dave, what can you tell me about
the timing of that video? Is it at six o'clocks
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and Nancy and it is crucial the location where this
part deck is and why she was at that apartment
complex you mentioned earlier. We don't know where she was
between noon or roughly around lunchtime until we see her
in the surveillance video at five fifty pm. It is
the apartment complex of an ex boyfriend and the relationship
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did not end well, according to her sister. Prime Stories
with Nancy Grace Photos Chrisma rayas posted on Facebook. The
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endearing caption reads, Dad, look at all of these memories.
Very loving, very karen, very smart. Dan Fuchs is the
dad she's referring to. He's her stepfather, but loves Prisma
like his own. I looked at her just like she
one of my own natural children. Dan said he was
out of state driving his truck when he got the
call about Prisma's disappearance. I just haven't come to the
(10:09):
reality of it yet, you know, I just I'm just
trying to keep myself busy, man, That's all I can
really do. Police have been searching for the twenty six
year old mother since Wednesday. That night, she didn't pick
up her child from the babysitter since her son was born.
That's her whole world. We are talking about a gorgeous
twenty six year old mom, PRIs Mareus, who goes missing
(10:29):
after work, apparently on her way to pick up her
baby from daycare. You know another thing about her, to
Robin will Let's ki joining me now Crime online dot
Com investigative reporter, is not only did she hold down
a very responsible job as a paralegal, she also had
been National Guard and that invokes the idea of a
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certain discipline to be in the military, and she had
an excellent reputation and record with the National Guard. I
find it very difficult to believe this mom, who had
never once failed to pick up her child, didn't call
in sick to work, didn't lay out whatever she felt
like it, suddenly missus the pickup for her child. And
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the fact that I'm now learning she was National Guard
gives me a different insight into her personality. Robin, you know, Nancy,
she's a very disciplined person. By all accounts. They have
looked at her records. She shows up to work on time,
she takes her son, the six year old, to the babysitter.
She has a brother and a sister. She's in touch
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with the parents on a regular basis. This is not
someone who is irresponsible. This is someone who is very
responsible and Nancy, as you know, I lived in Dallas
for many years. I just want to say something about
the geography of this. She was living in Mesquite, Texas,
which is a little bit more suburban, and there's a
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fifteen one five mile radiant from her home where she
lives with the sun to the location where she's last
seen on the videotape wearing the red shirt a soccer
shirt as you described with the jeans. So fifteen miles
it doesn't sound like a lot, but in Dallas, Texas,
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where the highways are very vast and there's just you know,
a lot of road between point A and point B,
there is terrain here to cover. Robin Willinski, jointing me
Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter. Then we get another
development in the case of discovery of her vehicle seemingly abandoned.
That's right, Nancy. The car is found in a parking
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deck in Old East Dallas. This is fifteen one five
miles away from where she lives in Mesquite, Texas, and
you would have to go on highways and then a
couple of small roads to get to where the apartment
complex is an Old East Dallas and where she works.
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I understand it's kind of midway between the two between
the home and where the car, the jeep Wrangler twenty
seventeen model is found. But more can you tell me
about that? Dave, Max and Kady talks to her us
about the discovery of her jeep. Well, the jeep is
actually located about a block away from the apartment complex
(13:23):
that it was associated with. H she will cut, joining
me as well as Jeff Cortez, FBI, Dave matt Ker,
and start Robi Linsky to Jeff Cortez, what's the first
thing the FBI would do with an abandoned vehicle given
these circumstances. One of the things they're gonna do is
they're gonna process that vehicle. So they're gonna be looking
for fingerprints DNA. They're gonna be checking the position of
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the driver's seat to see if, in fact, a five
foot two woman was driving it, or if somebody else
was driving it. They're gonna be looking for signs of
a struggle, any indication that this vehicle was part of
some Let me go through everything you just said, Jeff Cortez,
he is the former fed with the FBI special agent.
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I'm gonna go through everything you just said with the
fine tooth comb number one. When you said the seat,
Remember Ashley Wilcot and Tara Grinstead's car, who a beloved
high school teacher, beauty queen getting her master's degree, brilliant, beautiful.
The works disappears, never seen again. She was a neat freak.
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Her home was incredibly neat everything in order her car.
You know those people that their car still smells new
after two or three years. She was like that. But
when they got her car, Ashley, it was covered in mud.
And just like Jeff Cortize is saying, the driver's seat
was pushed back, nobody her size would have been able
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to hit the gas or the brakes, Ashley. That says
everything to me, Nancy. You know, my very first employer
got in my car when I was out of law school.
We were driving to a deposition, and you know, he
said to me, you could always tell a lot about
a person by their car. I completely agree. But with
the seat all the way back like that, that is
a huge clue that it wasn't just her driving, got
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out of the car, got a wild tear, took off
all of that in conjunction with this is a reliable,
responsible young mother who's never not picked up her child,
and the seats back like that, We've got a problem. Yeah, everybody.
If you want to see mock up of her vehicle
or the video of her the last known signing a Prisma,
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please go to crime online dot com. We've got the
tipline and everything breaking in this story. Another issue back
to d Jeff Cortez regarding the car, what would you
look for if you were looking for signs of struggle,
as you pointed out, if she was somebody who was
more meticulous in her cleaning. I'm gonna look for something disrupting,
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something that suggests that the the items within the car
had been moved around. I'm gonna be looking for tears.
I'm gonna be you know, this is a relatively um
small vehicle or smaller vehicle, but I'm gonna be looking
for bloodstains. I'm gonna be looking for globs of hair, mud,
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or dirt, things that might otherwise seem out of place.
You know, all of that is visible to the naked eye.
Jeff Cortez a FBI. What about that evidence that is
not visible to the naked eye? Fibers. I'm talking about
fibers that was that were used to connect all the
victims in the Wayne Williams serial killer case first time
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in the country. I'm talking about the use of luminol
to find possibly invisible to the naked eye blood. What
else can you find in a car that would not
be visible to the naked eye? Sure scent, you could
find DNA fibers, skin follicles. You can find pieces of
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from an individual person that might identify a DNA that
is different or unusual or inconsistent with the rest of
the car. You know, speaking of the car and everything
that Jeff Cortize is advising us that would be looked for.
You know, also Jeff Cortize, you have to look at
something like you're on Star which might be tracking you
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or some type of GPS in there that may say
where the car has been before it was abandoned there.
And speaking of where it's abandoned, Robert Lensky Crime online
dot Com, I'm curious because it means a lot. Was
it down or ravine? Was it left out in the woods?
Was it in a disley wooded area? Was it in
a Walmart parking lot? You know a lot of times
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you hear of cars that are part of kidnappings or
that have been stolen part of the very last spot
in a Walmart or behind the grocery store where nobody's
going to see it until several days have passed. What
do we know about where PRIs moray As jeep was abandoned?
It was in some sort of a parking lot area
because the neighborhood where this apartment complexes in oldies Dallas
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is basically nancy three to four story apartment buildings, and
it has lots of parking lots. It's not really a
wooded area. There's basically apartment complexes and places to park
your vehicle. So somebody would park it there and it
would just blend in into dozens and dozens and dozens,
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maybe hundreds of other cars as the days pass. Where
is PRIs montray As. One day after her disappearance, police
recovered Rayz's jeep from the same apartment complex and say
they've spoken to the person on the other end of
Rays's phone call. I've seen that video. It made me
break down, made me just following, you know, knowing that
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that's the last thing I could see from the Mosquite,
Texas police say Rays seemed to be behaving normally. She's
just talking on the phone. She doesn't not appear to
be under drest or anything, but her stepfather says he
is concerned that this video may show just the opposite,
the way she was floundering, her arm and a lanyard
for her Keith run. It's just a trait that she has.
It is unusual, I think for anyone to maybe abandon
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a vehicle and but really to not pick up their
child when they're supposed to. I think that's part of
our biggest concern is why she didn't pick her child up,
and you know, is she safe? And so that surveillance
video is critical, and this morning we don't know what,
if any evidence, police have been able to gather from
her car. We do know, however, that calls to her
cell phone have gone unanswered. Her family and police are
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desperate to find her. You're hearing our friends at ABC's GMA.
That was Marcus Moore. That's another issue. To Jeff Corteze,
it matters to me if when you dial a cell phone,
if it goes straight to voicemail, if it continues to ring,
you go straight to voicemail. To me, that says is
dead or it's been shut off. If it's still ringing,
I mean, this is just anecdotal, and I think that's
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what that means. It means it's still working. If it's
still working, you can get a ping off of it. Yeah. Absolutely,
And that's going to be an early investigative step that
law enforcement should be taking. And I would imagine did take,
and that is to triangulate and circulate around the cell
towers in which that phone might be heading off of two.
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Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer or anchor at Ashley Wilcott
dot com. Ashley, the cell phone records should tell us
a lot. Cell phone records are some of the best
evidence because remember we can then see where the phone
last was, where did it ping, and how far was
it from where she is Because wherever it pinged, wherever
it was, then law enforcement can go to those locations
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to track her down. So cell phone records are one
of the things that often can break a case wide open.
You know, I keep looking at this video and again
you can see it at crime on line dot com.
Some people have says she looks distraught. She doesn't look
distraught at all to me. She's got on um like
capri jeans or gene tights. She's got on black tennis
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shoes with a white bottom. She's got her bag on
her arm like she may be going backs cooked in
her right arm. She's got a long key chain. It
looks like it's something should wear around her neck like
an employee. I d and again kind of a red
soccer looking shirt, and she's talking a lot of phone.
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She's just kind of wandering around talking to me, and
I know all of you guys have looked at it.
To Dave, Max Indicated talks to her, she doesn't look
distraught at all to me. And she's not flailing her
arms around. She's just walking back and forth, shifting her weight.
It looks like she's waiting on an elevator in a
parking debt. That's clear. It appears to be. But Nancy,
here's the catch. Her stepfather, Dan Fuchs, actually made a
(21:56):
comment specifically about how normal that appears to most people.
If you've got a child, you know, they have different
tells when they're nervous, when they're upset, they do different things.
And Dan feuds her stepfather, who she referred to his dad.
He says that that actually shows that she was nervous,
there was something going on, because what appears to be
normal to you and me, we don't know her. He
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knows her, and he said that that behavior actually showed
something was going on to him. You know what, you're
right as she will hut. I mean I can look
at John, Dave or Lucy, my twins and they can
exhibit a behavior that looks normal to somebody else, but
I know it means something very different. Absolutely, you can
look at a child, you can look at someone that
you're related to, your own child, and you're right, you know.
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And I always say trust your gut because even if
you don't know what it is, why they're acting different,
why they seem different, you know, And the majority of
the time, if not every time, you are going to
be dead on right that something's wrong. Guys, we are
talking about missing Prisma Ress, twenty six year old mom.
Her little boy left at the babysitter. She always picks
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the baby up at seven thirty when she gets off.
So I want to talk some more about what we
can see in the video about the location of her vehicle.
Another issue I'm trying to find out about Robin Molinsky
Crime Online dot Com is the nature and scope of
the search because at the beginning they no one would
(23:24):
even say she was missing. Why is it, Robin. Whenever
a woman disappears, everybody says, oh, she's run off with
her boyfriend. She has not run off with her boyfriend.
It took some time before everybody agreed she's missing. Yeah,
that's nonsense. Set women are just running off into the sunset.
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I don't buy it for a minute. This is someone who, again,
who really has a regulated schedule. When you have your
kids at the babysitter, you pick them off so you're
not overcharged. Here's the bottom line. This is a woman
who abided by a schedule every day. She didn't just
run off into the sunset. That's nonsense. But what strikes
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me about this video that is so specific. I've watched
it a couple of times. The phone, Nancy, She's speaking
on the phone, she's holding it in our hand. The
conversation is on a speaker phone. Are you talking in
a private conversation, a deep conversation with your lover or
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your husband, or your boyfriend or a boss, and letting
anyone who would be walking by getting off that elevator.
She has the phone on speaker in her right hand,
and the ID and the keys on that long lanyard
are in her left hand. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Robin, Robin,
So you think it's unusual for someone to talk on
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speaker because hello, is it just me, Dave mac Because
I've read all these suggestions that you should not ho
your phone right up to your head. Okay, I don't
want all those radio waves going through my head. I
don't care who's scoffing at me. They said cigarette didn't
cause cancer either, Look what about that? So I talked
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to everybody on speaker. Unless I can manage to steal that,
you're plug away from one of my twins who clutch
it like it's gold. So I'm always on speaker. Everybody
hears everything i'm saying. I'm just saying. I'm sorry. You
have to hear me talking to my eighty seven year
old mother. He's hard of hearing. I have to scream. Okay,
I'm sorry, But yeah, I don't think that's ought to
(25:34):
be talking on speaker? Is that? Is that just me?
Dave Matt No, I think it's normal. And actually, Nancy,
you know, while many of us we see that and
we wonder who she talking to, what's going on? Well,
the police have already talked to the person on the
other end of that phone call. They're not telling us who, what, when,
or where, but they already talked to that individual and
then said it has nothing to do with this case. Okay,
(25:55):
Ash will caught. Did you just hear Dave Matt completely
ignore what I say said? What is it with men? Dude?
Can they not? First of all, cut Dave, Max, Mike.
I don't want to hear him right now, Ashley, what
is it not you, Jeff Cortize? Of course, because you're perfect,
But what is wrong with them? I just said, I
don't think it's weird che's on speaker phone, that I
(26:15):
do it all the time because I don't want ear
cancer or brain cancer or any other kind of cancer.
Lord help me. And he just goes off on something else.
Did you hear that? I did hear that I did?
It was non responsive, darn it. So let me just
say with him, I completely agree with you. I'm on
speaker phone the majority of the time. Now. If it's
(26:36):
in a bunch of people and it's rude, I certainly
take it off speaker, but I always use speaker phone.
It's also easier because I can hold it right in
front of me. Yeah. I can clear out a whole
room screaming into the phone trying to make my mother
hear me. No problem, Okay, let Dave mac back in
now he's spanked enough. So Cortez, did you hear that?
Jeff Cortize, what Mac just said that they've spoken to
(26:57):
the person she was talking to on the phone interview.
Then they whoever it is, they won't divulge it, but
they've spoken willingly. So that's really not helping me except
giving me a time another clue. Maybe that person knew
where she was headed. Man, it helps me a little bit,
I guess. Jeff Cortiz, Yeah, I think even identifying people
(27:18):
who are not facilitators in nefarious activity is helpful to
law enforcement. So being able to cross names offul list
can always be helpful and is helpful, especially when you're
dealing with a missing person case. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
(27:52):
Dan says it's out of character. Prisma would never run away,
and most importantly, she would never leave her son. Her
son he needs, he needs to have his mother. Police
release surveillance video of prisma last scene in Dallas. To
(28:12):
people who don't know her, it may seem normal, but
to Dan, he's analyzing every movement and worried she was
in distress. The way she was floundering, her arm and
a lanyard for her keys round. It's just a trait
that she has. He is hoping his daughter is safe.
I would love to see her, you know, I'd love
(28:32):
to be able to give her a hug again, to
bring her home. That's about all I ask. As you know,
right or wrong, every investigation into a homicide or a
missing person starts close to home. I'm talking about your husband,
your boyfriend, your ex, the guy that was your ex
three years ago, and you've got a t r against him,
(28:55):
anyone close to you and your immediate orbit. And if
that fails, you step out. Coworkers, neighbors, associates. Then you
step out, and you keep going. End up with the
pizza delivery boy, you end up with the guy at
the grocery store, you end up with the bank teller,
and it goes on and on and on. Because normally,
(29:17):
right or wrong, Jeff Cortez, a former FBI special agent,
homicides occur by people that know you, not necessarily your husband,
but maybe your husband, your ex, your boyfriend, and then
you move out, ever so slightly. Statistically, that's true. Do
(29:37):
you agree? Oh? Absolutely, absolutely that's the case. So in
that scenario, I want to hear first about the search.
What is being done? Are they using k nines? Are
they walking shoulder to shoulder with cadets? What has been done,
Dave Matt syndicated talk show hosts Two Fine Prisma Denise Matthy.
They actually have done exactly as you describe. They've gone
(29:58):
door to door, canvassing the entire apartment complex that is
attached to this parking garage where we saw her on
that video at five fifty in the evening. They've canvassed
the neighborhood. They've talked to everybody, every family member, co workers,
pasco workers, They've talked with everybody at this point. There
it's an exhaustive search. Letscape police going door to door
(30:19):
in the area where Prisma Denise was last seen. They
asked everyone to check security cameras and hopes of finding
more footage of her the day she goes missing. The
little boy, I understand is with relatives. What can you
tell me, Robin Malinsky crime online dot com about where
(30:39):
where's the father of the little boy? Where does he live?
That is the big outstanding question. Let's talk about the search.
To Dave Matt, you said everything has been done. I
assume that may's looking at bodies of water if there
is one nearby, bringing in tracker dogs, cadaver dogs, scent dogs.
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You told me shoulder to soldier shirts. Have they done
drone and air search as well? Dave Matt Nancy. What
we've been told by the police thus far is that
they've done an extensive search around the apartment complex of
that thirty five hundred block of Roseland Avenue, which is
where her vehicle was found at what they referred to
as abandoned and where that video was taken of the
(31:21):
CC camera that we saw. They've gone to every apartment building,
every apartment, they've knocked on the doors. They've gone to
the other buildings along that same block, knocking on doors
to talk to anybody who has any information about the
evening that Prism was last seen. Speaking of starting with
a small nucleus, take a listen to our friend at
(31:42):
fox Ford, Dallas, says Alex Boyer. Right now, Mesquite police
detectives are going door to door in this area. They're
asking folks to check their surveillance video. They're hoping that
there's additional video of PRIs Mareyas from the night she
went missing in this area. Meanwhile, her mother and sister
are devastated. They're waiting for answers. Where is she? We
(32:04):
have to know? Still no sign of the devoted single
mother from his ski. It's hard seeing my nephew every
morning and knowing that he might not be able to
see his mom ever again. Dallas police officers located rays
Is cheap abandoned on Rosalind Avenue in Oldies, Dallas last
Thursday morning. Surveillance video released by police places ray Is
at a nearby apartment complex around five to fifty Wednesday night.
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Investigators have not said why they believed she may have
been there, but Rays' sister revealed a possible link. We
do know of an ex boyfriend that lives there and
her car was parked the block from there. As Morelda
Pilalda reported that information to police. She tells me the
relationship ended badly. Let's talk about the obvious, the boyfriend.
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Ashley Wilcott judge, trial lawyer or anchor Ashley Wilcott dot com. Ashley,
he should expect to be questioned. That's just sp stenter
operating procedure. And I find it very probative that she
was in his apartment complex going to pick up the
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baby and the car was found not too far away
from the apartment complex. Ashley, Yeah, it does not give
me a good feeling at all, Nancy, A couple of things.
Number One, he should absolutely expect to be questioned, because
they should be questioning everyone that she has contact with
or known in the area, or that knows her. Second,
you know as well as I do, the statistics part
(33:32):
of it, most people. Things don't happen to most people
by strangers. Usually statistically, it's by someone that we know,
someone that knows us. And he would fit that bill.
So he is a potential He's certainly a person of interest,
if not a potential suspect. We know that in the
hours after Prisma Denise disappears, her sister called her on
(33:56):
her cell and it rang and rang and rang, going
to voicemail. Now the cell phone appears to be off
or the battery drained. That's significant, Jeff Cortiz, because right
after we note she was gone, and that's around seven thirty,
when she didn't pick up the baby, the phone was
(34:16):
still working. How long Jeff, does it take to get triangulation. Well,
I mean you could look at historical records to get
an idea of a general vicinity. If you're talking about
getting a precise location, Uh, you know that that doesn't
take very long. But you know, there are court processes
in place that you know, protect people from the government
(34:39):
being able to do that too seamlessly. Now in a
missing person case, obviously there are some exigent circumstances that said,
this being the same evening, the turnaround time on such
a court order might might be hard to put a
finger on that. And I don't really know at what
point the phone stopped working, so you know, the phone
(34:59):
does need to be operational for them to get that
close pings beyond just hitting off a cell tower. Another
thing we know, and correct me if I'm wrong. Robin
will as Kin, Dave matt Is, the person she was
talking to, has not only been identified interviewed, but they
have been cleared as well, according to the information that
(35:20):
we're getting. Yeah, he's no longer he's not a person
of enter or she He or she is not a
person of interest. They've already done the interview and has
said that that call has nothing to do with What
about the boyfriend. I don't know the boyfriend's name yet,
that has not been released. But is he considered a
person of interest? Nancy? At this point, I don't know
his name either, And I'm not even going to assume
the police have talked to him, because you know as
(35:41):
well as I do, people lawyer up right away, and
knowing that this according to her sister, the relationship ended
badly infer and that what you want. But I'm going
to assume that she's telling the truth and that this
guy is going to have already lawyered up, is not
talking to anybody, but we don't know that. Where is
PRIs mut Denise Yes. If you have information, please call
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nine seven two two eight five six three three six
repeat nine seven two two eight five six three three
six Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend,
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