Tony Allen

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
First of all, we appreciate you. You know what I'm saying,
First team All D.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah shot Town in
this bill and you feel me.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah it's shot Town today. Baby, long time coming. You
know you our gout.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
We go way way back, Summer days and all that stuff. Man,
you know you're from the crib, first team All D
and we really appreciate you coming to rock with us.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Man on the show, Man, What's Up? I appreciate y'all
having me.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Man ran five show that show that.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
When you first got to the league. Who was the
first person to bust your ass?

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Man?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
That's a good question, man, because I mean I played
against a lot of a lot of two guards that
they had that work. You fear me, and but it
don't go unnoticed with Kobe obviously he the first person
that you felt. I mean, I'm talking about to ask
you when you say bust somebody, you gotta you gotta
put pressure on them. And I say that man, Kobe

(01:02):
had I played eight minutes at six thousand eight minutes.
He talking about busting that man. Listen, bro I went
for every head fake for every job I'm talking about
any draft, I'm pushing up coach too hard, an extra
too ready I'm talking about It's like I over studied them,

(01:24):
you know what I'm saying. And at that time it
was like they calling them the Mama at this time.
So it was like, you don't want to get bit
by that snake. So I got bit man. So yeah,
it had to be Kobe Man. He had too many
attributes at that time.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yo yo yo.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
We live on location San Francisco, California. We all here,
all start twoenty twenty five. I got the blackest one
with me with his red Saint Louis Hat.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
We got a very very special guest, First Team All
Defense Out the Mud Podcast, The Grime Father two thousand
and eight, NBA champion, six times All Defense overall in
his career.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Don't let we ain't gonna short him.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
And he got a jersey going up to the rafters
and Tennessee. We got Chicago's on mister Tony Yalla man Ty,
if you really know what's going.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
On, appreciate you pulling up bro Man's family.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
You know, we always understand it. There's one team, one
go May Let's get it.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Chicago, Illinois.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
The Lanta Ballers shot Atlanta it was great not you
know what I'm saying, To even be mentioned with some
of the names that came out Chicago is like a
big deal from where we're from. Did that tell us
like the journey? You know, you grew up like us,
you know, poverty. You know, we could have sold drugs,

(03:05):
we could have gained bang, we could have did a
lot of stuff that would have made us go another route.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
But you wind up getting through it and going to this.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
So who was something the Chicago legend that you like
seen or somebody in your family that you've seen that
you was like, nah, I want to I want to hoop.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, honestly, it wasn't nobody in my family. I come
and keep that all the way together and like everybody
in my family was on that type of time. So
we're gonna keep that short and sweet, but that type
of But if I could say anything, man, you know,
I grew up to forty eight West ninety fifth Street
right there back and then rand Lone home projects, man
stand up south Side, south Side for show man. A
lot of the biggest misconception for me, A lot of

(03:44):
people think I'm from the way from the west. I
thought you from the west side.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
No, I thought you from the West side, man, you know,
one of the guys who probably might shock y'all.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Man. You know, Juwan Howell grew up ten like like
ten doors down the street from me in those projects,
you know what I'm saying. And to see him come back, man,
you know, saying, the big old, hundred million dollar deal man,
come back. Change our big feel to a black top playground.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I remember vividly, like just leaving school, you know what
I'm saying, trying to get back and rush to you know,
to see Juwan Howard. And you know, all I can
remember is pulling off of that bent Ley azor man
looking like, damn, that's a spaceship up.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
Looks.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Don't get rid.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Like I'm talking from the hood.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
The big homies in the hood.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Got love for him with them, and I'm talking about
that's what made me look up to this day, bro
to this day. I'll tell you, like hit him and
Mike Finn was the pictures of perfection for me in
Chicago growing up going to hoops every day, like cause
like what we want to do, we want to be
all stars, what we want to do gonna get He
had the first hundred million dollar deal in the league.

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Like Bro, he didn't did everything, and like you said,
he still showed loove all the young homies. He always
tried to pour into whoever. It was like you said,
coming back to the hood doing what he did, and
just like you said, they was Mike. They we called
both on Mike Lowry, Bro, because like you said, the
cars they coming up and they ain't like everybody who's
got to be got to range. The boy was coming

(05:18):
up in MJ type whips. You feel me like them
really like you say, real spaceships, and I'm talking about
everything they did, Bro, Like it was respect on all
levels from the team to the corporate to theonships to
then you even bring it to the hood feeling.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
In New Gut hood love.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
All the hood boys know them and what it is
they pull up the it is love, ain't no issues.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Like that was what you wanted to be. Yeah, I promise,
and I ain't gona front Like man coming up in
my neighborhood. It was like, man, guys was was hustling
like that was the like I know lot, like I
would think I was like nineteen years old when he
did that. Man, it's catched ten eleven years old, walking
around with thousands in their pocket, got chevyes on thirties

(06:00):
and Vogues twelves. I'm talking about getting to it. So
that's the influence you got right then and there. So
it's like, man, come get this bread or do you
want to stay focused? And you know me, I'm front
of whod I love my partners even till this day. Man,
you know what I'm saying. I meet them where they at.
You know what I'm saying. But I can't front like
by Juwan Howard putting that court right, I'm talking about
directly in front of my my project apartment.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
It did something to me. Man, I ain't gonna lie.
I stay on that court every day. My mom usedly
had to come down there with the belt to bring
me back in the house. And so I got a
lot of love from my OG's always they always told me, like, yo,
stay away from them cats. Bro, you got something special.
And so I can say that about my neighborhood. They
always put me in a position to say, you know what, bro, hunh,

(06:45):
We'll take care. We'll give you a little something, brother,
but just stay away from them.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
You from so in Chicago, you know it's a lot
of high schools that got history. You know, Whitney Young
got history, you know from Morgan Park, sameon King.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Farragant Western House, Western House Man said, bank Shall Sea
bank Man. A lot of people got history, but you
chose Crane to go to.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, so what was the choice of know?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
You could have went no, no, no, I aint could
have win.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
He did go.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
This is the part you about to know about about
you ain't know about it. He played with my cousin,
Big hand Nate Thaniel co Haund Julian High School.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Why tarry Mark for sure?

Speaker 4 (07:38):
He to Julian.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Lance School with history man.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
So so my thing was like and the reason why
I went to that school, Bro, I ain't.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Gonna let my homeboy man got his ass whooped. Man,
My homie, Reggie, they whooped his ass. Man, they beat this.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
I said, you know what, Homie, I said, you know what, Joe,
I'll be up that next I'll be up that next year.
Don't even managine I'm six fol my freshman. I've been
this height since I've been six folk.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, freshman year.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Gonna be saying, didn't it I was taller than what
when I got my freshman year, that's crazy. When I
stayed six two sixty three. So listen, when I got there, bro,
it was like all right. When I got there, bro,
it felt like to me, I ain't gonna looking back.
It felt like a fashion show.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
It felt like, man, everybody parents had money. Man, everybody
come in fresh air force one. Man, my mamma give
me two three four five dollars to come to school.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I'm like, man, you know what, I ain't gonna be
all do this. I ain't gonna do that. I can't
keep up, and so I I ain't gonna lie. I
kind of got discouraged.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Man.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
But one thing I can say is, you know the
Hoop squad. You know why you know you say hound
laying smoked Corey. You know they saw me Hoop and
they assumed that I'm talking the first time they saw
me who I came to the they were like, you know,
they called me on, you feel on, come Hoop. So
I got them at Hoop. You know, they saw me
and they were like, man, Shorty got game. But in

(09:10):
my man, I was discouraged. I was like, man, I
come from the project, Bro, I ain't got no I
ain't got ship, Bro, don't got nothing. And so what
I did was, you know, a lot of my time
was spent like in that gymnasium and the back, always
shooting dice, you know, going the home room but missing
all my classes, trying to trying to hustle and shoot
dice and win enough money just to be able to

(09:31):
go to the city sports and get some gear.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
You feel the sports man, Yeah, city sports man.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I ain't gonna lie. I put a lot of my
time into that man, and I ain't gonna lie. I
ended up. I ended up dropping out. I dropped out, Bro,
I honestly got discouraged.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Man.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
I came in front, but more so and poorly man like,
I definitely won't bring up one story about your cousin
because you brought up half. I remember one day, Bro,
I don't know if y'all ever saw the movie Juice.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Y'all saw Juice. Y'all saw Juice? Okay, y'all.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I remember how Tupac act when he saw roder Mass
and then he'll see his crew and then he'll be like, yo,
what's up? He get it busting?

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Right?

Speaker 1 (10:09):
So one day, Bro, and he gonna he gonna he
gonna snap the story. So you get so you got
this pod call him listen. So one day, bro, I'm
a freshman in high school. So one some some little,
some little dude may walk up on me, like, man,
straighten your hat up. I'm like, straighten my hat up?
What Chicago Ship? So I'm like, so when I go

(10:29):
to class, I'm knowing Hound class right here, Boom. I
just ain't seen her. I don't even know what hound is.
Then he could straighten this issue for me. They about
three folk deep two. So we come out the class
Boom Hound first person in the hallway. I'm like, hey, man,
some motherfucker talking about straighten my hat. He talking about
some who who way yet turned out instantly turned up.

(10:52):
He looked dead at Homie like I said, right there.
He said, oh him right here, him right here, laid
him clean out boot. I'm talking about light skinned dude too.
So it's like I'm talking about his whole hour was
like Martin off one when.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
He first listened, when he first said, how what I said,
heavy hitter with heavy hitter broke he from the guards,
from the guard He not from the guards, but he
lived okay, living Cooper Park say that yeah, shout out
to cool park. Mother.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Hey, so look when dude fell out. Boom, dude, some dude.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
So gangster, I ain't gonna be li He found my
next class soon. He walked to my next class. He
tell me, broke. When I heal up, I'm whooping your ass.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
That way.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
He told me, man, you haven't get like a twelve
day suspension off this ship.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
So boom. All right, dude held up about a month.
Go by, dude, come back to school now all you
hit around the school man coley on. Dude back in school, man,
he say he's fina whoop your ass. Bro, he just
waiting on you at school. So man, you I can't
be no mad. So I walked after school, walked out
of school.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I'm like, as long as I get to this Vincent's
bus right down, give me the ninety field on straight.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I walked out of school. I'll tell you I've seen
about thirty motherfuckers behind me.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
I said, oh I can't run, on Kody, Oh, I
can't run. But look, if you know Julian right when
you ride down her third bro, it's once you get
past the school, it's like a little driveway right there.
Tell me who I see walking out that little driveway
hound Watari lance.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Now I look back, I said, Man, what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Is up man about that ship?

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Wants something? Man, you got a problem with me? Man, listen, Bro,
I tell you, Bro, we was on the rumble with
about twenty five guys.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Bro. Right then and there, I was like he my brothers.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
But again what ended up happening? Bro? Everybody went back
to school. Guess what kind of suspension they gave me?
Ten days suspension. I'm the only one guy suspended that day. Man.
And then right then and there I knew. I was like, Bro,
I'm not plugging into this, this hoop lot thing that
they got at. Julian ended up dropping out. Bro, I
ended up missing a whole lot of days. Truancy officers

(13:15):
came and from there, Bro, I ain't gonna lie. I
started to, you know, try to do the street life. Man,
I ain't gonna lie. I dropped cold turkey. My mama
kicked me out the house. Uh you know, she ended
up moving from off ninety fifth without even mean knowing,
and uh you know, uh, because we talked about it.
This why I'm elaborating one day, you know, being on

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the block. You know, shit happens, bro, you know, and
some bullets came past my head. You know, we were
serving in the place we weren't subsb to be serving that,
and you know for the shot at us, you know
they was, they was, you know, some gds you know
what I mean at the time, and uh, they pull
up on me. You know, my homie hit back, you know,

(13:57):
and they pull up on me and they sell me like, hey, man,
y'all ain't sposa be sorry, and y'all just hit one
our gout now. Manager, it's about twenty five of these guys.
No exaggeration. We on fortnighte Indiana. No exaggeration.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
What the fuck is you doing on forty nine in Indiana?

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Man, I'm out here, I'm out there. I'm under the act.
I'm under the act. I'm under the act. I'm under
the act. Though you know what I'm saying, I'm under
the act. You know, my cousin they I don't even
speak to my cuk till this day.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
But just to realize, you know, you had me out
here doing all this extra shit, and I'm a pro,
I'm a whole pro.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
I'm doing all this shit. My daddy got killed. But meanwhile,
make a long story short. Man, you know that happened.
Them guys come back me, I go get my partner.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Me.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I say, man, I'm so scared, Bro. I'm talking about
literally so scared. I think I smoked a cigarette that day. Bro. Listen, Bro,
I tell them, I say, man, listen, brother, about twenty
five guys out there. Man, they talking about they need
to talk to a chief.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Man.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I say, Man, go on out there and holler at them.
Let me know. I'm telling you, I'm ready to run upstairs,
jump the motherfucker five staircase and gonna run out the
back way. I'm so scared you and me. He went
out there hollering them for me. I said, Man, you
know what I'm getting up out of here? Jet livery cab?
You mean I don't know y'all remember jelivery jelivery cab.
It's a service service cab called jailivery cab servy Bro,

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and I shoot pad, I t that's my first time
ever seeing it in my life, Bro, my first time
seeing it. I see all type of European cars out there.
I'm like, dangn, what's going on? I tell the cave stop. Bro.
Let me out right here, man, I got a bank
roll on. I said, let me out right here. He
let me all right there. I walk in there. I
think I gotta pay. I ain't got to pay his

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free walk in there. Guess what I see? Jason straight.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Look hey, he like, man, what's up? So he's like, man,
you got big as hell?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Man? He looking at me like.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I'm like yeah, Bro, He's like you who I'm so embarrassing, man,
I don't even want to tell me I dropped out.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I ain't got put out. I'm literally out here on
my own bro him bro everything. I love man. Who
Guess who we played?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Though?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
We played Seine Marianna Marion played tricks, big shot tricks.
I killed this.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
I killed I had about like eighteen. But guess who
in the stands. Guess who you know?

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Guess what everybody's waiting on to come to see player three?

Speaker 3 (16:24):
That's what they Guess what they're trying to say. I said, okay, cool, now,
mad you? I remember three? Or from uh from West
Pullman what they used to call it? A small fry,
small fry. I remember I remember playing against Will Small.
I was too big to play. I never played, but
I remember going up there playing one game and they
let me play. But I remember three or from that,
and I'm like, damn, Thriell, they come, they straight like

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they come. Everybody comes see three. I'm like, damn, he
got the city like that.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I'm like, I ain't know that.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
So when we go downstairs, you know in the program,
right when you're done, you gotta go downstairs in the
locker room, and I see three three right there with
Coach long Street, you know long Street, big as hell.
He just shaking heat real ar again. He looked yeah,
he like he looking at me like yeah, I saw
him play like three. Was like, no, I could use you, bro.
He's like, I just took a blue division to a

(17:14):
red division. Remember remember they got blue last week blue
if you was in the blue Yoke team, but if
you red well or you red South, like Red South
was too you knowee what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
So he took Crane to the Red West. And he
told me like, Bro, I get you, but I'm so embarrassed,
I don't even wanna tell. I dropped out, and so
just so happened.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
When I left there, Bro, I go back to my
on ninety fifth, to my mama house, and at this
time I didn't even know she had moved. She moved.
So I get to the crib.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
All the folks in the hood like your mama moved
by like a month ago, two months ago. Bro, your
mama been gone. I'm like, damn, So go back to
the jailvery cab boom, go to my grandma house. Grandma like, man,
you know, Mama say don't well, don't come nowhere near her.
She's straight.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
She threw with you. What I say, grandmam, I'm about
to get back in school. I just holl let some people,
they say, get me in school. Yeah, what end up happening?
Grandma said, well, baby, she stayed twenty one fifty's randall
twenty one right, Look so look twenty one fifty rand. Dog, Look,
this is God in God. That's on Lake Street, Crane

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on Jackson, like a five block walk. Like that's crazy.
So it ain't like you know back then, if you
ain't stay in the area, you can't really play. You
remember that.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
So he's like, oh, man, this is God. So I
gotta get it right.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
And just so happened. Man, I don't get home. Let
no pod can go past without giving wheel bite on
his flower because he actually brought me back to that
life of basketball.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
I was what projects straight from when I was in
the projects with j straight planning to like too in
the morning, Iggy the projects with him. They got the
cars all on the court, all sorts of that.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
It's like two in the morning straight for dumb ball. Yeah,
real different.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
So when you went to Crane and you start really
seeing like what's going on? What was the transition of
you getting there and start trying to because now you're
so behind that you can't get the scholarships that you want.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
So you gotta go the loan route.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
We call that the loan rod long run jucos or
you gotta go to the prep schools. What was that
process for you to stay in that lane, to go
that route?

Speaker 4 (19:52):
I was in it.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I was in it by then. You know, uh Will
was showing me like yo, He's like, man, Yo, this
what's up? Rock? I got invited to the Fast Start
East invitation. I got invited to whether A B, C,
D or all them little camps. And I'm looking like
what the highly recruited too. I'm like, what is you
talking about? Bro? What is this you didn't even know about?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Like what is this a chess club?

Speaker 1 (20:16):
But where is you getting all these jerseys from? Bro?
I ain't got one. And then he was breaking it
down to me like, yeah, bro, you got play au
you gotta. By that time, it was like too late.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
I was a junior.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah old, Like I'm like, all right, you fall behind.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
So I was like, then, man, you I don't even
want to talk about ship. When I got the crane,
I had point five credits right now, when you're a junior,
you you.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
At least sixteen seventeen already. Meanwhile I got point five. Man,
that principle looked at me talking about some man, what
you need to be looking for a job? You feel me?

Speaker 3 (20:49):
How did the butler the community college come and play
like this saying stack Jack went stack Jack went to
Buller Community Ye, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
That's history. I didn't even know that. Yes, So list
is so boom was obviously I get eligible with my
senior year boom. And so I get so that, I say,
how I got that? So magic boom. So as soon
as I get out, let's just say I graduate from
high school. Boom. I go to Long Street and I say, man,

(21:20):
what school you got for me? He was like, what
school he was like, shit, ain't no school. So at
the time, he was like, boom, and I'm just founding
this out twenty years ago because I've been so mad
at in Long Street for him not having no school
for me, you know what I'm saying. And he told me,
which makes sense now that I look back, and big
shot of the Long Street he said, Man, you remember

(21:42):
at the time I told you about prep school. I say,
you right on street. So it's been a misunderstanding this
this whole time with my Coadwe I'm talking about my man.
We talked every day now, but he had brought up
prep school and I at the time, I'm like, man,
prep school wasn't the thing back then, my fuck, go
to prep school. I'm like, what you done?

Speaker 4 (22:00):
I'm in hell twenty years old in prep school.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
You're doing the prep school Now today that's the thing.
But back then, I was like, man, how the funk
I'm gonna go to prep school? When Will Bannam got
a he and his junior year, he got a full
commitment to everything, Yeah, that was It didn't make sense
to me. So I ain't taking over. I just worked out.

(22:24):
I kept working out, I kept working out, kept working
out in the summer time.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Here I t came back.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
You know, I T what it is? He asked about Butler.
Right so, now, I don't know if y'all remember a
cat named James Peters. Damn y'all remember James. James Peter
went to junior he was He was supposed to the
Leon Smith. He played just like him. He pold to
you know, well, went out of high school. Come to
find out James Peters was then at twenty three years old.

(22:49):
My man, shout out, James p I know you're gonna
see about love you brother?

Speaker 4 (22:52):
A hell you? He so.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
List So I catch him at the I playing on
the team boom. So when he playing boom, I'm like, man,
what's up, bro? Why you ain't getting ready for the draft.
He's like, man, all right, come on, let's play. We
play boy. I killed soon we I b listened, bro,
I can't make this up. Soon we get done playing.
He called coach Dennis Hams Junior College. Butler communicats. He say,

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I got a guard six folk right now, really now
manager at this time eighteen years old, but I ain't
never been on a plane.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Damn my life.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
They just send me about five tickets. I would have
missed five flights. I'm lost, like mother, I said, man,
look at at what's going on? Well, so I went
to Delta. I went to American Airlines just to find
out my flight was SOLF what So the room was

(23:54):
supposed to have been I supposed to got there twelve.
The room was supposed to be Friday that night. I
ain't get there till Saturday. Imagine I gotta beat out
of Jamaican cat, a cat from the walls, and some.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Cat from Australia.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Man, I'm out there, when I tell you, I'm giving
them my averson crossover, my twime.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
I'm I'm getting all this town ship man.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Within the fourth game, man coach Hams calling blew the whispers,
Hey Tony to come upstairs. Hey man, you uh you
will be at tending hig Scholarship. I ain't even read
that much.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
I just signed.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Come on, man.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
I called my mama, Hey, mama, going to college.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
She said, boy, if you gonna come back here and
sign the application to Walden all these and goddamn it, dominick,
Yeah you feel her dominant.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
That that what she was on.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
But you know I got my first scholarship.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Man.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I ain't gonna like it started getting real then how
you wind up at walbag Man, I ain't even gonna
keep going Okay, I want I want to keep going
this here man? Well right, so how so boom so
Jane Peter's manager. He got me to the school Boom.
I ended up becoming a freshman of the year in
that conference. I ended up you know, killing so. But

(25:09):
you know me and my shot town instinct. You know
I'm gonna fast something up. You feel, don't lie after
season nowhere, I'm blowing it down. It's just that simple,
you feel. And so in the in the in the
dorms though it's here, you right on them before you
walk in the door. No smoking, some alcohol, this, that
and the other. So I'm thinking season over with man,
I'm like, it's over with what they won't like? You

(25:29):
feel me?

Speaker 4 (25:31):
So I got the.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Candles, I got them in fresh Fresh, I'm talking about
everything set up. I'm fine. I'm blazed up.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Bro, Tell everybody, folks, I'm knock on the door.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
You hate that knock when you're blowing. I'm like, damn,
what don't they know? I mean, I'm knowing the whole dorm. No,
I'm fin the five. I already told bro, it's them
bringing me my motherfucking Freshman.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Of the year war. Oh wow. So the athletic director boom,
he's smelling.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
I closed though, I'm like, what's up. I'm trying eyes blush,
I rid, what's up?

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Man?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Hey, hey, hey, he'll go you award. Uh, make sure
you come to the athletic the rest of the first
thing in the morning before you go to class. I'm
all right, cool, go down there. First thing they got
down there was and you finished blowing after.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
You, man, hell yeah, hell yeah. And so that look
out the war one up after that. But they had,
but they had they had to try to, like to
try to surprise me with the award. I had knew
I had the war. Yeah, you see what I'm saying. So,
but make a long story short, man.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I went down there, took the piss test, Brouh held
the pitts tests, and they kicked me out. Man. I
remember just getting out of class coming back home. Man,
all my Jordan boxes was sitting outside, my clothes, my teeth.
They just kicked you out. It's clearly tell you no smoking. Yeah,
but they ain't just tell you like we don't want

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you no more, but you can go and get your
in my room, boxed my shit up, took my TV down,
took my shoes, put all my shoes, and just left
his sitting right there. And so they was like, yo,
coach Hams will be talking to you shortly and shout
out coach Hams.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
He was able to reach out to the national Junior
college people who won the championship with is Wald Bads.
They won the championship. They had a cat name Antoine Barber.
He had ended up. You know, he was supposed to
he was the MVP. He was supposed to actually leave
out a junior college. It would have been three junior
college players go straight to the league. Quent Tail was

(27:35):
Keydrick Brown, and it had been Antoine Barber. Now Managin.
Antoine Barber averaged more points than all of them and
won the National Junior College Association Championship. He came back
to school. So he came back to school. They lost
a two guard. They was like, we need a two guard.
They look go along with him. He was the point guard.
You fee what I'm saying. So school reached out and

(27:55):
they was like, yo, we can bring y'all Tony Ellen
and that's how I got that, so you get.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
The walk back.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
How did it feel when now the big time colleges,
the colleges that you see on TV, you know what
I'm saying, like the Oklahoma States, the Clems and the Cincinnatis,
Michigan State, all of them showing interest in you. How
did you feel when you first seen one of them
letters or your culture anybody just told you like, yeah,

(28:24):
this college here want to look at you.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
It wasn't that, man, It won't that. It was ain't
nobody looking at you. Bro, They looking at dude. You
gotta figure the only motherfucker that's bringing colleges in town,
it's Antoine Barber.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
But I'm just saying, like, right, I understand that, but
I'm talking about but once state start seeing you with
them and they start offering you.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
They didn't offer me until a seasons though, That's what
I'm trying to tell you. So it was like it
was crazy or because you gotta figure this man got
every school coming to him. Then boom soon he soon
as he signed with Kentucky. NWA, it's a drought. You
don't see none of them coaches no more. But you said,
but you see one coach. Who was that Oklahoma steak
Okahoma stak shout out Glenn cipro Chase some fun funny story.

(29:07):
So now at this time, you know, back then, college
coach couldn't say nothing to you. They kind they like the.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Talking about every game. Ship front row. He's winking this ship,
winking this ship. I'm like, Paul, shut out, going on, man,
you're still showing up winking at me and ship the
fuck is going on around? Shut up, shut up coach

(29:44):
because he was more like a father figure to me too, bro,
because he he really was a genuine and you don't
find too many people that genuine like this.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
And so boom after the season. You know, I finish
up in junior college rank, I was all American whatever whatever,
And at the end of the year, it was like boom,
the coach came with all the letters. I don't know
if he was doing that to be like keep me focused,
ground keep me grounded. And then he came out of
nowhere like yeah, you know, we got Arizona State, They're

(30:11):
they're very interested. Uh, Miter State is interested. Cratlings and
Cincinnati even came back. And then we got West Virginia.
I'm like, yeah, all these people want to get a
visit with you all, and I forgot Yeah, Oklahoma State,
Oklahoma State. I'm like, ship, I've been seeing Oklahoma State
all mother.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah. I'm like, shit, ain't they've been interested. I'm like,
i gotta go see what's up.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
He was like yeah, but you know they got a
senior in front of you, and uh, if you get there,
you know they got the most TV games. I'm trying
to I need, I need to pick and roll all
this ship. You're talking about what you got going on?

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Man, I told him I'm going on my first visit
of Oklahoma State. Man. When I got down there, problem
rest in peace, Edie Sutton. Man, I got down there, man,
you know obviously they showed me a good time.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Man.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Man, When I got in front of Eddie soon he
was looking like the Godfather.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Man.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
He looked back at Liv's cross looking at him. Man,
ain't saw none of my games. The man like, yeah,
they told me you're a pretty tough defender. You can score.
And I'm like, damn, folks, I ain't seen Mama. He
ain't seeing what he was working with. I'm like, I'm like,
all right, okay, that's what they told you. I'm like, well, listen, coach,

(31:26):
if I signed him, I'm like, yo, am I going
to the league? No, cap, Well, I found my kids.
He looked back. He said, that's a good question.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
He was like, well, you know what if you do
everything I asked you to do far as this team,
and you know you play hard on the defensive end
and do everything out there, I don't see why not,
I said, coach, come on, what cous.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
You know what I'm saying. I'm good man. They got
at like nine ESPN games. Man, you I ain't triven
about the singing in front of me. Man, you ain't
trined about the other all American junior college guard that
y'all saying. I'm finna go out here. I'm finna outwork
you people.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
I'm from Chicago, Joe, I ain't got man. You folks
you hit with no hez O like, did you folks.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Ship you feel me? That's and that was my approach
when I got there. And uh, like I said, when
I got that, man, I ended up becoming Newcomer of
the Year.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
So first time I heard your name, you know it's
a guy about to say it's a guy from where
I'm from. Man, he averaged like thirty two. His senior
year name Maurice Baker.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Oh big shut out the most, no matter of fact. Listen,
while we're talking about More, I used to watch More.
I'm a fan of More Baker because I used to
look at it like, damn they letting that boy getting busy.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I'm for real, fool, I'm talking to We played this
in my high school. Listen, Bro, I saw that and
that orange and black looked at so.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
I ain't gonna have orange.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Os U Jersey look come up and Bro, I used
to see him. I used to be like, damn, hold
out here doing this thing. Yeah, And so when I
got there and I actually got a chance to meet him,
I told him in his face he could stamped it.
I say, Bro, only reason why I want to come here.
I want to be able to get loose like how
you got him, I promise you. Yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Bro Baker paces now yeah, yeah, Mo Baker Man one
of my big brothers. Man.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
He two years like you above me. Man, he ever
a thirty two is senior year like he played for
what the Eagles?

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, he played He played for the Eagles. But he
played for Madison. One of the coldest dudes I ever
played with or played against. Man the first time I
ever heard your name, he.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Told me that you was cold, like you was not.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Nah.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
We got this dude Tony Allen, like he he it
and I'm like, who, I ain't never even heard of
him from Chicago?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I was, I ain't never even.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Heard He's like at the backblocks.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
He was like, nah, I'm telling you. So after that,
I start following you everything that you did. You know
what I'm saying, every all the college games and all that,
because I was looking at him and following him because
even though he was above me. I went to the
league straight out of high school, he was in college,
so I was always following him to see what he
was doing. But that made me follow you too. How

(34:28):
was it when you got there?

Speaker 1 (34:29):
When I got to Oklham, it was cool, Like I
can't front like I was. I was seeing just the
work ethic these folks had me. Like these folks had
me like working out right in between classes. I workout,
but like they'll come get me in the morning too,
Like I do individual workouts by myself in the morning,
and it'd be like, damn why y'all got me in
here by myself.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
So I guess they saw something in me. And then
I was always a steady member of the nightclub, like
I'm coming.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
To a steady member. No, no, I'm talking. I'm coming
far as basketball, like I'm coming to the gym shooting
that gun. Remember that gun came out around that time,
two thousand and two, two thousand and three. For that gun,
it was the gun. So I'm shooting on the gun
like I'm like, I like this machine. So although that
motherfuckers been clanking there since I got up at that motherfucker,
I was. I was an aviad member of the gun and.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Just going out working on my game, and so getting
there and seeing just the coaching staff really looking at
me like I'm different, it kind of really boosted my mentality.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
It had got to the point, Bro, once I got
a Newcomer of the year Bro. Right after the year, Bro,
they brought me in the manager. That's the year bron
them coming out.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
These folks set me down in a meeting. BRO had
me crying, Bro, telling me all the deficiencies in my game,
telling me I ain't ready for the league. Bro, I
wasn't even thinking about the league, right, I'm like, damn.
So they thinking like, okay, I got new think I'm
gonna just dial. But I wasn't thinking about dipping in.
But I really appreciated them just having that much. You

(35:58):
know what I'm saying. Just they put a lot of
interest in me.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Bro what that.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Was it? After your junior There had to be after
your junior year. The first year you came to uh
to hoops and was hooping, said that, look, so look,
so look Joe, look Joe is he in there with
old Clay Oklahoma station. So listen, so listen right, you're right,
so listen. Yeah, so shout out my homie Schoop Man,
my homie Scoop, and he had end up on how

(36:25):
did that come about?

Speaker 1 (36:26):
So Scoop, I don't know, Scoop, No, what's it is it?
So Scoop no rep? And then so boom Rep telling him,
ro man, I got to college, were gonna be We
liked that. We like that now, so madg you boom
so school, get me in the gym. We in the gym,
you know, we pull up dropped top s L five,
you know, we looking like y'all in that we get it.

(36:47):
That joint boom and uh man, I sat down about
thirteen month games. Man, you know they ain't get to play.
You know, you see you don't get no run on this,
Like what's going on? So I finally get in that joint.
I finally get in for members only, members only, bro, And.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I've been hearing a few stories about my fuckers saying that,
so that's that's really how Tim was running his program,
paying that that ope, y'all gonna pay till y'all get tacked,
which is understandable.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
But for me though, it's like that I'm around pro motherfucker.
And Q had set down this time too. You was
like you was taed too. You had sit down and
you saw me. I think we won the first game,
then we played the next game. Then when I had lost,
as soon as I sent down, I can't sit back.
Q Q looked at me. He was like, hey, shorty,
well you go to Oklahoma State.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I'm like yeah, he like, and you a pro im
promised O A god, Bro, you don't know how much
that they did my confidence. Bro, I ain't gonna even
laugh that next year killer. Couldn't nobody tell my bad?
Couldn't nobody tell me. I wanted to pro. Couldn't nobody
tell me? I wanted to pro?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I mean, you know we did though. We sat in
that gym and any young boys that came through, that
was what it was. If you saw somebody who you
knew it.

Speaker 4 (38:01):

Speaker 3 (38:02):
We did it too long, bro, I said. I was like,
cause I remember asking TG and G and I'm like,
who the fuck is that? Like, you know what I'm saying,
Because he had, like you say, six four motherfucker. We
had had the athletic body, the strong shit.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
But I saw the.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Athleticism and the defense that shit shined through immediately and
it was like dog shit. So I was like, hold on,
I'm sitting there, I said, there watching one yard, watch
two games.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I'm looking at folks.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
I'm like, like she home over here, like sit in
college right now.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I'm like, while the games and shit going on, I
walk up by ass teacher like who like he like yeah,
he shit?

Speaker 1 (38:34):
And then they telling me.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Like motherfucker with the crawn like he was the crane.
I ain't never seen that, heard nothing about him. I'm like,
all right, whatever, it don't matter. You know, when you
see certain shit, don't matter what you heard of what
you know. I was just looking and I'm like, nah,
this motherfucker one of them, bro, Like I'm watching how
he moving out here, like he could get like he
could hoop with us, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like nah, he came out.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
I was sitting out like yeah, like nah, you nice.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Like you know what I'm from that point on when
you told me that, and I was telling them, I
told everybody named Mama cute went told me I'm a pro. Q.
I went from the south side, the west side, east side.
Q just told me I'm a pro bro. Before you
knew it, man, you had every morn fucker in the
city trying to invest in Tony out. Hey man, you

(39:19):
need this, you need this, hey man, come rad this
cop back. And I was saying, I'm like, Yo, it's
really getting into that. It's really getting to that. Tell
me Like in college, I felt y'all was a solid team.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I felt y'all could have made a couple of attorney
runs what you feel happened in attorney for y'all because
y'all had a solid, decent squad.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
I'm going ahead tell y'all, man, I'm gonna tell y'all. Man,
I went and Final four. I was focused off through
the through to get to the folk I'm talking about.
We knocked off of Memphis, we knocked off Pittsburgh, We
knocked off a whole bunch of people. When we got
to the final four, was out.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
I got a little excited, man, just to even you know,
be able to run back up with my you know,
high school teammate will bind on him, you know, actually
showing me them just getting me off the streets. Bro,
you know what I'm saying, Just you know what I'm saying,
him being able to be like man, bro basketball said
like that shit you doing? Bro, I ain't nothing, Bro,
come do this, Bro.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
This was this.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
This is a move. That's the move right here. So
man for him, for me to get back and see that, Bro,
I ain't gonna lie. I I bucked our curfew, I
bucked the study hall and all that. I said, I
gotta go over there because around that time, you know,
the MMS message was going on the on the phone.
You get to see in the video, Man, they are

(40:40):
kigging it. They got women everywhere they hanging out.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Man.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Meanwhile, we and the motherfucker looking up algebra, trigue and
all this shit. I'm like, man, this ain't it.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
This ain't it.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Bro. I'm telling Luke Lucas my you know, John Lucas,
John Lucas was my hunniest he was my roommate. And
funny story how we got John Lucas. You know how
we got John Lucas after the crash, so right, he
had they had an incident over there, Baylor with one
of his homies off when his one of his teammates listen,

(41:12):
Planecraft reci But I'm saying he got over there with us.
But meanwhile people don't know is Will Binnam. He had
transferred from Arizona and was gonna have to sit out
the first half of the season, right, he told all
my coaches, I'm about to come to Oklahoma State. So
within that transaction, I don't know what part of the

(41:35):
GP has sent them down south. But in that same
instance that happened with Baylor with you know, a tragedy Haue,
and so Lucas said, you know what, I don't want
to play nowhere else. I need to transfer right now.
I need to go to Oklahoma State. C double a
man him play, right, away.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
So to see that all come full circle and then
damn Boom were in the final four, were playing Georgia Tech.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
I'm like, damn, this unreal and so you know, will
he hit me?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Heah, what y'all doing over there?

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Man?

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Meanwhile, I got a sneak on the phone. We got
watching this. I'm like, man, Man, as soon as I
get out of here, bro on my way over there, Bro,
and I went over there. I ain't gonna lie. I
had a good time.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I had.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
A good job, man. I think if I had got
me some rest that game. Man, we probably would have
bust in senior year.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
You know, you don't have no choice, no juco to
go to, no other options. It's only league overseas. You
know what I'm saying. How many workouts you did?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
See? How many teams in the league.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Like me?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
You did a twenty nine workout something close to runoffs. Mhmm.
That was the most shape I've ever been in as
an athlete doing all the workout.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
And I know the workout process, like you'll workout in
Seattle and then you'll work out in Portland and next
day they might have a day off. Didn't work out
in LA. I was ready, and that's why I love
the program. Oklahoma, say them, folks, that's why I said.
The early morning workouts and late night workouts and individuals, all.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
That prepped me up. What was your best workout?

Speaker 3 (43:13):
I remember being in Atlanta going against the real Right
one time. I'm telling me, y'all gotta get some better
players of this motherfucker. Like, yeah, I remember going to
Memphis and tell them, man, hey man, you know what.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
D Right was out of high school too. I'm like,
come on, bro, like some grown man stream excuse me
and one I'm talking about. We was in Atlanta and then.
But I tell you, I ain't gonna lie whenever I
seen Trevor Reason, I ain't gonna lie. I don't even
know how he slipped. Trevor Reason. Damn motherfucker was him.

(43:46):
He was with the shit, he was loan, he was competing,
he was knocking down. Even in the drills. He hitting
the motherfucker funny shit with trail. But I was at
the workout with him in the smooth and La. They
was about to fight. They got two. They had to
get broken up in the workout. Mm hmmm, true story.
See what I'm saying, and I forgot smooth my class too.

(44:07):
It's two thousand folk class. Let me ask you this,
that two thousand.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Folk class, it had like seven guys went straight out
of high school.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, Al Jefferson, s Sebastian Te, Dwight, Derel, the real damn.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Hold on, it's a it's a few Smith Smith will
in that hold on. Hold On Swift, Yeah, swift, big
Robert Swift.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yep. Oh, that's what I forgot about Robert, about seven
eight guys in that class to two years after. But listen,
that specific class though, I ain't gonna lie though. Man,
we was like everybody in there wanted to like get it,
like I can't. The only pick that I was mad
in and I thought I opposed to went to what's

(44:57):
the kurse? Snyder? When you talk about you, dude went
in the battle. I'm talking. I bust them. I bust
them in Utah. It took him, the team that took him.
I bust them and Jay, you know, Jay, y'all pulled up.
I was killing so hard.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Jay, I was like, no, listen, that's the thing about like,
because I felt like that you remember like you didn't
have as many workouts as me, but.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Like I was looking for the smoke.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Two teams.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
No, you didn't work out, so yeah, he had dinners
in conversations, yes, And I'm not listen the same I'm
not saying that he wasn't. I didn't say you weren't
looking for this. I'm talking about what they was looking
for from you. The difference is, like you remember, that
was my argument. I got picked eighteen in my draft
and I was cool with it at the end of
the day.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
But like, you know.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Facts, let's look at that shoot you because it would
have been in the teens though, But bro, I don't know,
but either way it go. I just know the same
exact thing you saying. It was people, And I'm not
gonna name no names. Man, I was taking motherfucker's lunch money.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Bro, you hear me. Oh, and I'm sitting here looking
like wait a.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Mini, that's what was making me. You won't know until
you see it. You will see a motherfucker just out
of know where. They doing the whole work out, doing
the whole works soon as you get the cooking. You
heard me tell that story, heard you tell that story
about some people Like Bro, this motherfucker tapped.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Out on this that come from the agent saying, hold on, now,
you see yourself not doing good. Now, so tell us
when the draft came. What did you do? Draft came in.
I ain't gonna let men imber my homie, scoop Man,
ain't gonna We was chilling and you have the family around. Man, hey, listen, listen,

(46:52):
three hundred wings listen, Man, hey Man, two cases of
mod Man.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Then you know we were just waiting because they told
me I was gonna go anywhere from eighteen to twenty two.
You know what I'm saying. So I'm like, damn. So
when eighteen going, I don't get picked, bro, it.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Crushed two go you donna get picked.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
With no I back eighteen it crushed me.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I'm looking at my age and like, boy, you are
asked fin to get fired next week.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
That's first thing that shout out Mike Higgins. But you
know what I'm saying, I'm like, damn, that was going
on in the game. I went, I walked straight upstairs.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Man, Man, I got the I.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Got everybody outside, man, everybody outside, everybody well, everybody inside,
but everybody just wait.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
We were standing room only, and I went upstairs at
the eighteen. Man, you know he called me back.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Yeah you might go nineteen, Yeah, you might go twenty one.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I'm like, man, I just hung up. I ain't asking
the phone no more. He called me back at like
twenty three. I think that might have been pulling in something.
Don't get me thinking too had but I pick up, like,
what's up?

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Man?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
What?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Man? No, they don't call you right now. Just wait,
just wait. Twenty three pick come boom, alright, then that
Boston up next, twenty four they got two picks. Manager.
They didn't brought me in three times. They brought me
in three time, boss, I told.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
You, Broy.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
They tried to do me like that. I had like
three workouts with them. Then they tried to do a
day before the draft type d You know I did,
I did?

Speaker 4 (48:19):
I did? What the fuck else you need to see?
You just saw me two three.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Times, had dinner with me and my sister and my daddy,
like but not fucking cut cue. Did y'all run that
thing where you gotta run beat test and then they
tell you Steve Nash ran at twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Goddamn, look good. I'm not a point goud man. I
ain't gonna lie, man, I said, damn, bro, why y'all
got me running?

Speaker 4 (48:42):
Am?

Speaker 1 (48:42):
I am? I a track stop. So it was funny though,
because when they got the twenty four and manage you,
they picked Delonte West twenty four and so it was like, damn,
I just put him after mother fucking playoffs before I
got here, and he was averaging twenty five a game.
He left the building with twelve. You see what I'm saying.
So I'm like, all right, how the fuck this happened?

(49:04):
So boom my my agent, you know that little three
four minute process before you go to the next man
calling me like a motherfucker I'm talking about He can't
be calling me this much not to not to be
talking about something now, Boma pickle, he said, yoa, they
about to pick you or we're gonna stay on the phone.
I'm gonna guarantee they from the picky. So I get
to walking downstairs, walking downstairs, you know, walking a little

(49:25):
bit slow, he said. He said, I boom shot downstairs.
On I hear coming up. Boom eight Tony Allen at
the twenty five pig.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
WHOA.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
I ran straight outside.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I ain't want nobody hugging me.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Graanda.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
I don't about twisting my ankle or nothing. I went
and jumped straight. Oh my grandmama, alum enough jumped on
that motherfucker the whole I'm talking about, the whole roof
down the k Then she come out of the baby.
If you don't get off of my concert, Grandma's time
you stop driving anyway. Meanwhile, I got my baby mama
coming out the wood working with the baby.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Come on that to you.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I'm like, what the hell I popped the bottle? Go
out spread over everybody, man, the whole neighborhood. Come outside, man,
twenty one fifty way, random, all the west side. Man,
I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, you propped about what talk
about it?

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Head?

Speaker 4 (50:10):
You go little nectar, little nectar, like you know, like
get that out the way, man, But I ain't gonna lee.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
That was that was a surreal moment. It was like, Damn,
I actually did it. Man. I'm talking about from getting
faeded to you know, trying to thug it to hustling
to to actually you get kicked out of school when
you get drafted.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Kind of it's like a flashback of everything everything, Like
I'm talking about that point I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
It's it's people right now today, I was doing wrong.
I was going left. They couldn't understand how I went right.
They like, how the hell he did that? Cord was around.
I'm doing so much wow ship like I'm talking about
she I don't even want to pretty much say but
I said if you know, you know, but man, I'm

(51:01):
talking about man, ain't no mystery in my history. Bro,
I'm mister cole On for real.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
You hear me.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
When you get to Boston and.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
You see uh Paul Prarice, you see walked Dog, you
know what I'm saying, Like you see these banners up,
you know, like Boston is one of them historic franchises
even though they weren't winning like they was winning. I
was just I say, get correct back back in the day.
But they're still a historic franchise. How was it to

(51:32):
get to Boston and you know, to finally see your
last name on the back of a jersey and you
know you gotta still prove yourself because I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
If if you can look at the Geddy images right now, man,
you can see me the Latte, Al Jefferson, Jess Recipe, Jessee. Man,
we got our jersey up smiling, so goddamn hard magic.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
This just for the fuck you up, because Lizzen, when
I went to the press confers, I had a Larry
Bird jersey y'ard.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I'm thinking, nown you know, I see Larry gonna on
to the fact. Yeah, I got the Larry y'all. You
know what I'm saying. Oh, I'm holding my jersey. Man,
we played the Pagers. I see Larry. Look at Larry
trying to see all that larrying. Come say whatever on
warming up?

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Man?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
That man walked dead past me.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I don't care about the talking about championship battles and winning.
Only man, you ain't win number one. You tell it
was like one of those just so real moments, like
all right, cool, like all this jersey really means.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Winning? Or go home? Bro Like they don't, they don't.
They don't expect nothing but that. And that's a coach
of really understanding how you need to be preparing to
get read of.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
That's one thing about the drafts. You know, you do
all this ship to get to the NBA draft. Once
you get to the NBA Draft and you get on
the team, you got to start all the way.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
The funk over, like.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
You in college, what you did in high school, how
many All Americans or however many trophies you got, that
don't mean shit on this level. You gotta start all
the way the fuck over to prove yourself to the
best of the best.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
And that's a fact. And that's a fact. And I
ain't gonna lie bro. I had bad habits, Bro coming
in the league. Bro, I ain't gonna I was still
stuck on me. I go, I'll go eat me a
motherfucker six peep from pape right far I go to
the game.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Bro, I ain't no nothing bout routine. I ain't no
nothing about none of that. And so being a professional,
none of that, Bro, I ain't gonna lae.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
And part of that, mar I ain't gonna liae was
probably why I told my ACL I had to actually,
you know, change my game, bro, Like I really thought
I was a score. I really thought, like, like, I know,
my fucker allowed to see my jump shot like that,
But my my ship was like this at first. You
know what, I ask you about that because I remember

(53:54):
Tony Allen and the bucket gather exactly. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
You had defense, like you compete on both ends, but
it didn't stand out as much to me because I
remember you are go and get a bucket and you
a dunk that thing.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I mean, that's how you got it.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
That's that Chicago. Remember bring back, Let bring back and
bring back in Chicago. Two things.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
When I'm cooking what we're gonna do, We're gonna clear
out cool right now, picture yourself on the other end. Man,
y'all got me fucked up.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
And see that's the difference that I'm trying to tell you,
the fucking difference right there when you came here to Chicago,
I t is that's the difference between.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
Rookie and all that.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Because if rutger, they gonna go back and forth with
a motherfucker throwing it between your the real dogs in
Chicago gonna work your.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Ass and we're gonna come back down here and what fuck.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Somewhere, go somewhere. I'm not the lick. I'm not the lick.
I'm not the lick.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
Period. So I learned that from ad T. I learned
that being in Chicago. I learned locking up as you told,
embarrassed me. Bro It hurt me if you scorn me
my hood and look at me like I'm fried. So
that part of once I got critiquing. You know, I
get the doc boom. All right, cool, this is my
this is my bread and butter. But more so importantly,

(55:22):
I told my A c L. So it was like,
all right, cool, how do I adapt? And one thing
for show?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Truth for certain. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna
get you know, be true is his blows.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Now.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Once I told my A c L.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
He like, ship, ship, don't stop. You still gotta play
me one on one. We still gotta do the same
ship we gotta do. You can guard me and you
guard anybody in the in the league.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
And so I took that as like motivation because look, homie,
look when I told my bro they traded Al Jefferson,
they traded just reed, they traded Delonte. Well, they traded.
While is the reaction, bro? Why they keep me.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
A cl y'all want to know contra because people might
not remember how you to your it was after the play.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
And I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
I hate I hate guys even doing that now, man,
when when a whistle blow man just stopped, Bro, I
ain't gonna lie. I remember it like yesterday, man, and
through this span of me playing, you know, we had
you know already established. Okay, Paul Pierce, he got his extension,
but hene went to the media.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
I need help.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
And so at this point the organization was saying, all right,
what what we're gonna do with this bowler gum? But
we got Rajon Rondough, we got Gerald Green, we got
Al Jefferson, we got Justin Reed, we got Tony Allen,
got Ryan Gomees. What we're gonna do with it? What
we're gonna do? Yeah, what's my guy man McCarty, Yeah yeah,

(56:52):
o g yeah yeah. But more so importantly, it was like,
all right, now y'all get y'all get to play. Now
we're finna put y'all in this position to see who
were gonna keep, who we could trade who was at
that And that was me started understanding the business. And
Paul pi Is one day, Bro, as soon as he
got his distance, he was like, yo, if from shut
it down on ta, you got the juice. I always

(57:16):
get back to the Juice movie though. He's like, you
got the juice? So I say, bro, what it's like?

Speaker 4 (57:22):
What you mean?

Speaker 1 (57:23):
He's like, I'm shutting it down, bro, you about to
be starting swing like a ten gamespan killer. I was
averaging like nineteen. Yeah, he was getting busy in then,
like a ten gamespan getting business.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
So when I got to Stephen Jack shout out Steve Jacks,
I'm thinking, like, Bro, I'm busting Jackass.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
I got nineteen with six seven now about eight minutes
left in the third, I might get forty to night
to go to the last shoot to get twenty one.
That's how I'm thinking, Bro. You building up within that file.
When he found me was on the penalty. It was
over the pency boom, I blow past. I'm feeling groovy. Yeah,

(58:05):
I know the hood watching me. Let me go upstairs
and this around the town that jont this around the town.
Bron made this look six.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Yeah, you come back in the day, you remember, Jordan,
You know you would come up just dunk it or
are you doing a coffee? Got up there when Bron
brought that thing out. I'm like, I'm feeling like I'm
feeling like Bron. Listen, Bro, I'll tell you I take

(58:35):
off Bro. No, I'm upstairs.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Baha, man, soon I come down, manfucker Pops so Loud
I said, Oh Joe, I mean our hands like yo son,
that's our your son, yo son. Like what are you doing.
I'm like, oh, jack over that motherfucker, like what are

(58:59):
you doing? They both tell me what I'm doing, like, oh, bro,
I ain't gonna lie. When they picked me after, I
was hurgly, I'm liken, this ain't nothing, Bro. I tried
to I tried to walk through the back like still
walking like no, ain't nothing, ain't nothing. I fell out
right in the back and it was right then and there.
I was like, damn, bro, I might be out the league. Bro,

(59:22):
I might be out the league, Bro. And it blew me.
It blew on lie. That's that's one of my biggest
regrets in the league. I ain't on your lab bro.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
How you yeah, because then the athleticism, how you jump,
move fast, like to have to come out how you like?

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Well, people don't understand. So when I be seeing guys
going through these.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Injuriespecially these knee injuries or they turn some you got
to persevere, You got to get through your depression. It's
a lot of stuff come with that because you're definitely
not gonna come back as you was the first time.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
I ain't never seen that happen. Only the only person
I seen come back how they it was coke.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yeah, and Katie. But other than that, I ain't seen
I ain't seen nobody else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
But how did you just kind of mentally get through that?
Because it's a long road, and if you ain't never
been through a process of being hurt before, knowing that
you gotta stack your days. You know, every day count
You got to slowly stack your day. It's gonna be months.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
It's probably be three months before you feel any type
of strength. It was challenging. It was challenging I confront
you know, we was just interviewing d Road not too
long ago. And the part about like the process is
really trying to get your need to go in full
circle of just riding a bike in the motion. But
you know what I'm saying them actually been in your knee,

(01:00:44):
you know what I'm saying it some weak ass exercise
to what it like, Damn, this ship would have never happened.
I'd be looking at the train of personal training like
what the fuck you got me doing what you're doing?
And it was a lot of days, man, I gotta
I gotta give big shouts out to air Assert you know, Todd,
Brian Due, you know Walter, Uh, these all guys that

(01:01:04):
you know the Strengths and conditioning guy. You know the
trainers who helped me, you know, rehabilitate myself and get
back to the point whereas you know, I might not
be the dude that I was, I might be not
as athletic as I was, but I could work back
to it, and they got me close as I could
get back to it, because man, it was. It was
times where you know, I ain't gonna liugh just looking

(01:01:26):
at it like yo, I could be out the league
like I was looking at it like you know, it
was a depression I can't confront like it. It was
contract gift for for me too. You know, guys went
on and got extensions like Al Jefferson he went on,
got an extension, big boy extension too. Yeah you know
what I'm saying. Uh, you know I was looking at
it like damn. You know that was probably my extense.
I remember days, me and me and Al Jeffson get

(01:01:46):
on the back of the bus. Within those ten games,
I was telling you about, like, hey, what you finished
with today, Chia. Hey I'm nineteen and nine and five.
Feel I'm like, well, yeah, I'm twenty five and fifteen. Yea, yeah,
I'm looking like a seventy million dollar man. Hey yeah,
I'm looking like a fifty million dollar man. Meanwhile, we
dine lost, but we not understanding, like, but we that

(01:02:06):
valuable to other teams, you know what I'm saying. So
we knew that much. And it was like, damn I
missed that on that and you know, I get shouts
after Danny ings Man, you know, yeah, every every opportunity
to trade me to, you know, to not extend me to,
you know, cause they did the surgery on my knee

(01:02:27):
and I still today got a screw on my knee
from right now. What was you when when they added
kJ and Ray to the mix? Oh, they added kJ
and Ray to the mix? I ain't gonna in front
like you know, I had already knew Kzy. All my
guys had already you know, they had already been telling
me about Caz. You know, they had already already been

(01:02:47):
telling me what he was on, what he was doing,
what like he did go. You know what I'm saying.
I was already familiar with who he was, you know
what I'm saying, So just to have him get there,
and you know, it was like, damn, this shit coming
off full circle like, okay, cool, and just when he
got there, I understood his professionalism like I didn't understand,

(01:03:07):
like how you prepare for a game, Like he do
so much work in practice in the days before the
game that when he get to the game, he just
focused on the game. He don't even go out there
and shoot, like you know how people go out there
and shoot before the game. Bro, don't even go out
there and shoot. He mentally gather himself up and get ready,
you know what I'm saying. That's one of the things
that I looked at. I was like, okay, okay, you

(01:03:29):
gotta have your mentor together before you play. I picked
that up as before I went to Memphis and then
getting Ray. I used to see Ray come in, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Three o'clock, like he dit three four hours before the game,
like before everybody get there. I'm like, damn, bro, you
stay farther away from the rener than I do. And
he there faithfully. And it was about routine. I learned
from them guys, and them guys do the same thing
every day, every day, every game, every game, repetition, and
it showed and they performance and professionalism and probably was

(01:04:00):
the best thing that happened to me, man, how those
guys come Just see how you you know, properly prepare
for games. And I wouldn't take it for granted for
none in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
How did the city change the city you've seen when
you got there, y'all was losing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I haven't won and forever Like yeah, y'all was making
the playoffs in a while, Man, you should see coming
out Listen when you put it that specific, we lost
what nineteen I want to say, eighteen in a row
coming out the coming out the park and lock them
fans be like, hey Tony, Tony, you better off in

(01:04:39):
another city. The accents go them fans was brutal. So
it's like, damn ship. Then go from boom getting KG
you know, I love you, from going out to restaurants,

(01:05:01):
giving your dinner comp to you see what I'm saying,
How was it being.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Amongst all that winning though, Like when like the Red
Sox the Patriots, y'all was like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Like, how like how was that?

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Because like that's like not a lot of people, Like
it's a lot of people that want championship, whether they
be baseball, football, or bat It's not a lot of
people to get their experience living in the city that
achieve what y'all did, you know by the sports team
all in one year, Like how the hell was that?
Like y'all had to be some of the most sport
fans in the world, and like everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Like what champion, it's a parade every fucking other.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
You'd be surprised of some of the you know things
that people just you know, they bow down and self
show praise too. But uh, I remember vividly, like just
going to the Red Sox series and you know, watching
those guys you know, win it, you know what I'm saying,
and seeing those they season in and you know, watching
Brady and you know what I'm saying. It's just it

(01:06:03):
was like one of those situations where all right, we're
next in line, and I saw it, and I could
tell from our you know, our big three that they
kept us a focus to where like, hey, we gotta
get this done. I mean, we ain't come together for none,
you gotta figure at that time it was the Big
Three that was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I think that was the time where they started calling
it the Big Three, the Biggest ship.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
I always hear about the training camp y'all had, how
lit and hype y'all training camp was that once all
y'all got together and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Tell us about the trip overseas that y'all took. Yeah,
and so that's what the training camp started. Yeah, that's when.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
That's when baby pulled up on the bike with the
job was lady ship.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
He was lying.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Bro, that's the story. All I o't get y'all the story.
And that's why that's my guy. I ain't gonna what
we do said Listen, listen, listen tell me that. All
I'm gonna say is this, bro, how did you ride
a bike from the hotel and the hotel and the
restaurant is fifteen miles apart? But when you get there

(01:07:08):
your shirt still creased, there's no sweat on them.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
And where did you get this little boy from in
the bike?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
So you had a little boy and a bike.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
He had a little boy and a bike with a
man managin But look you the owners, the owner, everybody,
the whole organization.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
You got a big dinner. Bro, it's a big dinner man,
baby coming out where you hit the boy? Now, manage
your baby from New Orleans. He gonna be you heard me.
You know he wanted them type of cat. So when
he got in there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
He was like, yo, I was like, I was, I
was here, I was riding.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
I was looking for you the heights. I couldn't see
the property, said, boy, where you dinna learned some English from?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
And so they told him come on in, man, you
all right, man, just take the fan and this, that
and the other. He's like, he's like, I had to
give the guy a hundred bucks and you know, get
your cap ass. But yeah, that happened, man shout out
the big baby. Yeah, that definitely happened.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Tell us about that season.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
You know you and then you went to Julian, dropped
out of school, you went to Craying, you went to Juko,
you went to Oklahoma State.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Fact.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
But now you get the opportunity to go through a
whole season and play a role.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
You know, they needs you to get a bucket.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
They needed you to play a role role which everybody
played a role like ticket, even the Big Three. Everybody
played a role. But you played that role and you
go all the way and you win the championship.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Man, you gotta figure though, you gotta figure Like my
first year, I'm gonna put it out there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Look, my first year there they had Ricky Davis and
Paul Pitt. These boys want the ball. You played with
Riggy Davis. But Ricky Davis, he don't get the ball.
You know what he gonna him get the about ay
bro passed that. So Paul pi is feeling like, hey, man,
do you want to be here? You feel then?

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
So he So I was the fault at the fault
put in the start.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Lineup my rookie year. Atter about about twenty some of
our games, I'm in the start lineup. That was different
to me because Doc don't want me shooting no shots. Well,
go get you a putback, go get you a still,
get you some hustle points. But one thing, so you
better not get in your Tracy McGrady bag. Do not

(01:09:37):
get in your average bag. And that was cool with
me because I was like, all right, man, I'm enjoying
the league. I'm learning the league, and for the most
part my rookie year, you know, understanding the playoffs. Got
to the playoff, I played against Reggie Miller. You know
what I'm saying, shout Regi Miller. I got a chance
to see what a real legend is about. You know

(01:10:00):
what I'm saying. I remember you know, getting a tip
dunk boom. I'm feeling so good stuffing the ball and
Reggi Miller's stomach and letting him know, like, yeah, motherfucker,
I'm Tony shot down in the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Say hey man? He came back down the court and said, man, yeah,
you just woke me up. Next game thirty something. You
feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Let me ask you this was you like me?

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Because I don't know if this was the Chicago thing,
but I swear it was not like when I first
got to it. I didn't really care about too many people,
but I wont what fuck Reggie Miller up? Because I
just hated Reggie Miller against the bulls.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
I hated it was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
It was that promising guy like ID no no grudges.
When I got I was like, what you know about
the fuck Regimentler?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
What what talk about?

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
I'm strong, I'm about the fuck he puts Jordan to
get off, Come on my life. I was at US
try out boy for USA.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
Bof A.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
I was so goddamn man, I was this, I promise you.
And now I got to the NBA, I was like,
I'm a fuck Reggie Miller, like that was my that
was my mentality too. So Chicago, it was my thing
to where like all right, we went into game one,
we win it. But that's when I learned about a

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seven games. Hey be careful because oh Riggy Dames and
the crowd, we beat them by like a Duggy Dames, get.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
The broom, Get the broom. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
I was starting first game, second game, third game, fourth game,
fifth game out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
I was on the bench. Bro, I ain't play no
more man so and then again like moving forward to
just like I said that those draft season and didn't
get into the run. You know what I'm saying. It
was experience. Man, It grew me up, like it showed
me like, man, you got to be a professional. You
gotta take this ship like a job. Bro, this ship
you go asking being the lead right now, but you ask.

(01:12:00):
I also be gone like tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
I wasn't when you did, when you and that that
confetti dropped to y'all in that moment. I can remember
watching on TV seeing all you'll boys, and I'm like, damn,
every time you see somebody like damn, such such guy wing,
such such guy went like the people you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
That you know you fucked with, like So how was
that for you? Like, in that moment, I ain't gonna that, bro.
It was contracted for me. Bro, they had already denied
me extension. You know what I'm saying. I was happy,
I was excited. I ain't gonna probably excited. My my
family was excited. My mom and my sister, my brother. Well, ship,
I was like, damn, what like you know, I'm looking

(01:12:38):
at them, you know me, I was get paid. What's
next for me? Man?

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Joe?

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
I just told my a cl I'm like, man, damn
at the town fight cases all type of ship like
you you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
It was like, how the fun? I'm like, am I
after league?

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
After this?

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
What the fuck going on?

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
And so I took it for what it was. But
the operation and getting there, that's what I really honor.
Like the parade, the champagne and the cheers was cool,
but under the fact that like, damn, man, fat guys
and the start lineup said we're gonna cut our heir Man,
We're gonna we're gonna go ball. Bro, We're gonna like this,

(01:13:18):
We're gonna let it be known we won Team one
go man. Just the goal that was set out up front,
like you know, they say, I'm boom too. You know
what I'm saying, Like that was what we was rocking on. Man.
You know, I can only be better when you we together,
you feel me? And we actually rolled with that man
to see it all come true. It was definitely. It
was definitely a blessing. But man, what I picked them

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from all of that, just those guys preparation.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Have you ever been?

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Because I came, y'all won a championship. I came to
that training camp the next year, I was there. I
was there the first two months September in October.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
Portland was playing with you. Yeah, but I seen how
have you ever been?

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
It's tight and it's close as a team out of
any teams that you ever played with. Because when I
got there, I was like, man, I see all, y'all
was different personalities, but y'all was close.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
It's hell, that's a fact. You know what I'm saying,
y'all joking on each other like something of the ship
and the ticket was saying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I was just like, bro that boy our Wow, you
know that's a fact. That's like, but y'all was against
y'all was with each other. But y'all was against everybody.
It was like one of the things like I don't know,
ticket was tinking this. He thought we was back in
the rack. I ain't gonna last. He was acting like
we was back in the rack. But we won in
the rack. So I'm really looking at it like, man,

(01:14:40):
we basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
Want to let you get nobody else no props, however, bro, and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
It's crazy you brought up that so you on the
bus suck him off, then that should be wow. Like
he was killing he was like it was sucking out.
Then you didn't know how you know that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Come on, man, we've been doing this long now. We
heard so many stories.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
Oh my goodness, bro. And it'd be like you look
at the stat sheet. You know they give you all
the scores in the back of the league. Back in
the day, they used to get the scores for all
the team on the bus and.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Got the whole thing like this, Like damn.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Still today you're like boy way in the back.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
So motherfucker what But look, you could be talking about
Trent Hassel, you be talking about Trent House.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Motherfucker ain't hit nothing. Soon as you say, yeah, Chris
Bosch had twenty five or seventeen. Suck them up, bit man,
I be talking about No.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
Four, man No. Five.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
When that boy said this is preseason, I was back
there crying. Boy, that's a fact. That's the fact. That's
a fact. But I think I think that's you know,
when you play bro, everybody need a draft. You know
what I'm saying, Like, I ain't even lie, like just
saying this other day. Kevin Martin, y'all know Kevin Martin. Yo,
he was an all star. You know what I'm saying.

(01:15:58):
He did his thing, big shot him. But it was
something about him getting these buckets. It was like, bro,
he on our scout report. Man, this man went twenty six.
Hold on time, all stock.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
You let me tell you what it is about about him.
For you you from Chicago, I'm like, I ain't going,
ain't going. I ain't going, I promise you. So every
night night and when we played them, it was like,
hold on, brot men tell me, y'all think he liked that?

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
And it was something built in in me that I
know he nice. I'm not gonna hated that, but I'm
just ain't about the honor that I'm gonna I'm about
to compete with that I'm against so this is it
was one of them, one of the things that I
think Ticket instilled early and he kept at the drive him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:16:47):
I got some pills. That's that's nice. But I'm gonna
get y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
I got bullshit every time I got to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
If Ticket went, that got hurt, and we would have
got three years of Lake or Celtics, who would have
had two to one because both of y'all won one.
Y'all won the first one meeting, they won the second meeting,
but it was a year in between that Ticket got
hurt and they adn't make it to make the Lakers

(01:17:15):
win too in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
So if y'all had that year, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
I tell you what.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Seeing Bro hurt that that year, I ain't gonna lie.
I haven't seen days of crying and training trying to
get back like I hadn't seen times with him like
just looking at it like damn, I want to be
out there with y'all. Like so I knew it meant
more than him like trying to get back and helping

(01:17:41):
his guys than actually us being in that field without him,
because he like man if y'all had me, he knew
his worth then, like and it showed when we went
back in twenty ten. Boohm, we lose another soldier, Kendrick Perkins.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
I feel we the one that year that Perk Perk
was shuttingh it down by them, was frustrated.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
You fee, I'm saying he wore he wore the guys out,
he wote sheet out. You know what I'm saying. He
ain't players ben second half. And you know a lot
of people that get on Doc ass for that, But
I love that man. I ain't gonna lie, don't got
nothing bad say about it. I love Doc Rills, And
you know, he went with his guys like it like that,
like like like any like any of y'all would do.
Like if you're saying it, if you're saying we're finna

(01:18:26):
go do some some combat shit, let's just not. Let's
say some athletic shit. You're gonna pick your most athletic guys.
I need y'all to go jump over these hurdles. You're
gonna go get d mail, You're gonna go get running field,
you gonna go like you gonna name all the shot
town guys that can jump hiding them ontherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Yeah, you got some bruises, but you gonna go with
your guys. That's gonna go to that job, and all
them guys that was fit for that. You know, he
went with his guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
But I just think man us getting there in twenty ten,
and you know, I just think we was short one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
So they tell me this, right, anybody played in that era, No,
Kobe was the dude, and everybody dishonest with theyself was
gonna say it, like, how was it for you?

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
You played against him many NBA finals on the highest
level and you did your ship.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
You the one one lost one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
And he's somebody, well you somebody that as great as
he is, that he names like this motherfucker was the dog.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
He gave me problems. You knew what it was. Ain't
nothing like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
That's what I'm saying, Like, what do that mean for
you to have somebody that he was the standard for
our generation? He was the dude, He was the measuring stick.
And for him to single you out, he don't do that.
He hadn't, you know, God bless that he hadn't done
that about a lot of people. But he singled you
out and called your name and said this motherfucker here

(01:19:56):
already know that he could have did anybody, Like, what
does that mean to you to know that he he
put that type of respect on your name and what
you did and what you brought to the table as
a defender. This ain't got should have do an offense
or nothing. This got to do with the harder side
of the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
First thing. First, it was. It was definitely a surprising moment.
I was definitely flattered, but more swiming pointly. Man back then, Man,
I ain't gonna lie. It took so much out of
me just to prepare for him, and just my teachings
came from James Posey, man, Like I watched James Posey.
I watched James Posey prepare for that man, and I

(01:20:33):
actually I watched James. I really took his whole DNA.
I forgot to even give him a shout out, but
I took his whole DNA. The way he prepared for
a game, the way he kept his focus in the game,
the way he had that laptop that went and brought
me the same laptop he getting, man, big ass laptop. Man,
I'm talking about he'd be watching film and all the
people he playing I'm talking about he getting, he getting

(01:20:55):
they transitions, move getting their offensive like the isolation moves,
he getting they pick and ro old moves. He getting
when they drive left, he getting when they drive right.
And I asked him one day, and I asked Hi
him like, damn, like what you looking at? He was like,
I'm looking at tendencies. Like so I know when I
get these situations out of FID so boom, so boom.
I fast forward twenty ten, I get to play against cold.

(01:21:18):
That's what I had been doing ever since he got
went to wait with the Pelicans. I'm like, this is
what I'm on. I'm picking up that right there. Every
motherfucker that I run against it. I don't give a
fuck of you. Terrence Ross. Yeah, I'm watching all your tendencies.
So you want to just catch and shoot, You want
to just drive left and take off? No, your ad
gotta go this way. You fee what I'm saying. And

(01:21:40):
I took his whole blueprint, and so to get there
to the finals, man and actually see it effectively work,
I gotta get my kudos to change posy and and
love make shot the posing and a lot of people
don't know man, Me and me and Cole never had
a conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
That's the coldest thing about him, though, bro. Like that's
why I asked, what does that mean? Because he's not
somebody who nobody even saw him fuck a conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
You didn't see him if it wasn't on the court.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
And most of the time when he saw him in
the court, he was looking crazy, like in his bag
in his zone.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Say some slick ship till you fuck with your head trying.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
Nothing to me.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
No, I'm just saying, like the pitch y'all Eastern.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
Well, we played against some more times because I was
on the West, so I would get little ship, you
know what I'm saying. But like it's still like that's
why he said smart and sat down with him, Like, bro,
we had never had a conversation with you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Cute. This man was so smart, bro. Right, So listen
when I stopped studying him so much, right, you know
I'll overplay you. I think my best defense is than that.
You know what I'm saying. I keep one foot behind
you ain't gonna back doome me. I'm now you do
past this offense gotta be ran I might get this.
Still I'm going the other way. That's my best defense.
This motherfucker was so smart he'll hook your foot.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
No, no fuck that he'd get to speaking of Spanish
to the pallid just saying some type of ship idios meos.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Job meg.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
He'll get to saying whatever I'm saying myself. What the
fuck is you speaking? His betters?

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
I know you setting up the upscreen so he could
pass it to you on you when you up corner
setting up the All right, I'm a flash so I
can go back though on the trainingle is gonna be
running only so many ways. You get what I'm saying.
So you speaking in all this Spanish, you ain't fooling me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Brof you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
So that's overplay for the underplay. So I'm like, I
studied him, that must even learn that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
So when you see he shot thirty percent that specific year,
it was for me to studying and I get all
them kudos and James Post.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
That's sick right there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
I like pose, pose, get a lot of love and
you know, the leadership and ship like that. But I
still think it's understated who he was and the championships
he can.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Like, for sure you and post Eddie House, Sam CAUSEL PJ.
Brown adding on to what that starting five did the
perk KG, Paul and Ray and Rondo, that was a
whole nother starting five right there coming off the bench, No,
for sure and not letting up on folks.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Did you think leaving Boston and going to Memphis was
gonna be as good as it was? Did you think,
like because you're leaving the championship organization? Memphis clearly wasn't
that when you went there. And we know how it
is when you and the league, you're gonna go where
that contract sitting there and where the money at. It
depends on what the time and the scenario and what
you got out there. But like leaving Boston and going

(01:24:42):
to Memphis, what was you thinking when you were going
there that you think it was gonna be like fruitful?

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Like it became.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
No, Bro, you gotta figure when I got the NBA Finals, Bro,
you gotta figure I ain't saying that contract until August tenth,
late almost camp time. Like I'm sitting act I'm talking
about I'm so frustrated. I'm like, damn, I just got
through competing with Kobe. He shot his lord's percentage in
any series on the strength of me him being my assignment.

(01:25:10):
And so I waited all the way until like late August,
and then I remember my co Cibrian co Cibrians like
yo yo. I got Chris Wallace on the line. He
trying to see what would you think about coming to Memphis.
And at the time, when you come to Memphis, Bro, you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Doing contract and then you doing treye swaps all that type,
like we're trying to rebid.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
But this ain't where you just see to go. And
so once they put that money on the table, they
had one little they had one little discrepancy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
They said in this documented they said, Chris Wallace said,
I know you're about to go. He say, Man, can
you and Zach Randolph play with tell y'all two different affiliations?
I said, what man, mag was sitting at the year
about State and motherfucking Ontario.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
Man, I've been scratching my head in motherfucking night. Man,
you don't give me this deal?

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Man, what we doing? I said, yeah, making me, Yeah,
we're good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
He he flew me to They flew me to Memphis,
took my physical and then recipes Lorenz are right, because
this is when I first ran back into z Bo
and I say, man, Joe, you know they I'm about
to sign a contract. Later on they told me. You know,
they saying we can't play together. Man, you know this
that And you say no man, He say, bro, were
about to make some noise and I ain't gonna lie.

(01:26:33):
Z Bo was there, authentic man, he said, Man, were
about to make some you know like that. Before then,
you know, we had ran into each other couple of times, covers,
couple little shake Johnson. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
You know, man, you know you know what? What?

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
What did you and Zebo?

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Because I was there the year before and I seen
Mike Conley have talent, Rudy gay O, Ja, Marcusol, but
they was missing something.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Then you and z Bo come to town and it changed.
Actually was there before me? He was, yeah, they you
know they had so so I was that. I was
the US that that year too, when they when y'all
lost ten games. I remember, I remember the whole story
on you. Well they Memphis. They were saying, Memphis, if
Memphis play you, they gonna lose X amount of dollars.

(01:27:34):
They got hit, So they played. They did that day year.
Y'all had lost that year, average play that year and
then you got there, right, yeah he did. They was
ten games out of five hundred. You know, they missed it,
but they made one sign in that yet. And so
that specific signing, you know, I guess you know the
coach wanted you know, he wanted the real right, they're

(01:27:55):
all saying he wanted space and he wanted some you know,
some shoot.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
So I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Was like man, the coaches like, man, what finals you
just uh with this team, we need a three point shooter.
And so within that, we're gonna roll with our shooters, man,
and I ain't gonna lie if I played.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
It was either said Atlanta, yeah, Wenna get.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
We gonna gona.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
But he definitely put he definitely put the press on
me like, bro, you can't shoot that motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
I needed a shooter. He was like, you're gonna play
if I can fit you in. And he kept it
that blunt. You know, we had drafted a rookie guard
name exactly Henry. Oh yeah, I ain't gonna let Rudy came.
Rudy came to training camp with the with the exiviate Henry.
You know grammar school pitch on like you know, giving

(01:28:47):
me the impression like damn, bro, like this is who
you want to start at the two? Like y'all already
made it clear, y'all bring oj May off the bench.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Ain't enough rock.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
You see what I'm saying, so o J gonna shoot
that thing, so they that OJ to the bench. You
know what I'm saying. I'm thinking, I'm coming here, I'm
about to start, you know what I'm saying. And it
didn't go that way. And for the most part, Coach Holland.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Just you know, he was just a tough nose coach. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
You know what I Mentally he was trying to like
just show me, like you wanna have to work for this,
and so you know, I ended up working for what man?

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
And that was that man. How was it?

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
Making first team All Defense the first time man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
Making first team All Defense meant the world of me
because the first year I got second team All Defense,
I thought I should have been first team. You feel me,
I gotta figure like, you know, we got to lock
down Mino Jernobili. I'm in here, I'm competing with Kevin Durant.
I'm you know what I'm saying I'm just like that's
specifically that whole year, like the best of the best.
Like I don't want to like, don't put me on

(01:29:45):
your I don't want to stick, no stationary shooters.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
I want.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
I want everybody in action.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
That's how I gotta survive. That's how I gotta eat,
This's how I gotta feel. This's how I gotta fan
my role.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
And I was birth from that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
From Boston, it was like, all right, cool Ray Allen
shooting all these threes, Paul isolating. You can look at
the salaries, you can tell who's who's from that and
from when I got the Memphis I was just like
on that man. I remember Vivially telling Bally gay Man,
Hey man, I'm that guy. Bro down the stretch. It's
me bro oja COB's come off the bench whatever whatever.
He could play throughout the game. Last five minute, Bro,

(01:30:20):
bring me in. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
You ain't got to stick nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
I got you. Man. That man told me Man, you
know I'm just average, like twenty two, twenty five, you
know we should be good.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
I said, what you might need to get a fifty?
What you're talking about twenty miles?

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Man? Let's finish this commercial. So it was then and
that I knew that like my role one, really it
wasn't really honored.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
So I just imagine what the coach thinking if you
thinking like you ain't under this defense ship, bro, come
on y'all a And so it was then I had
to show him, like you know what I'm saying, like, allright,
this what's gonna win us. This is our identity, this
what we standing on. We ain't this a non negotiable. Yeah,
we ain't doing all that fancy shit. We on defense

(01:31:06):
and defense only and once we hold our hats on that,
we're gonna go through our starts from that down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
So your first all defense was the second team. Yeah,
I know you you wanted to be first team. You
just feel like you deserve. But how was it like
knowing your peers voted like that was? Notice, you know
what I'm saying, like around the league, because like you
just want the top defenders on the Celtics.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
You know what I'm saying. You go out in the
best players, but you're not making them teams. That's because
I wasn't playing that many minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
No true, but still you wanted the top defenders even
though you're coming off the bench. But now to see
your peers really appreciate you from what you're doing, how.

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Was that for?

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
It was flattering? I ain't gonna lie like it's like
said everything like a puzzle man, you always want to
be a piece to that puzzle, you know what I'm saying.
So whenever you be able to be a piece to
a puzzle man, you feel like you apart. And once
you can feel apart, man, magic happened from that, you
know what I'm saying. Everybody got a player.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
A role, Like you say, at what point though, like
after you know, you get second team, you get first team,
you get first team, it's a point in there where
it's a shift where that offensive player now knows that
you are a threat defensively, Like when did you see,

(01:32:28):
let's be real, we really here, Like certain motherfuckers don't
play the same They be scared, Like at what point
did you see people whether it was being fearful of
your defense.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Whether it was just straight up being respect for your defense.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
And some people like you know, a Cobe type motherfucker,
like he might don't give a fuck about it, he
like giving right, So like when did you start to
see because you evoke all those emotions when they know
that you can do something well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
So like, when did you start to see some people
talking about like trying make Oh no, I'm gonna try
and butst your ad because you're supposed to be this
and that. When did you see some people shot away
from being them normal?

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
And then.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
The only mother fuer that I know that didn't give
a fuck about that was Russell Westbrook. Hey, that's that's
bout right for man. Russell Westbook did give up about.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
Just say.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
He used to be like, yeah, motherfucker, come over here
and stick me, Come over here and stick me like
he used to be that type of what I used
to be, Like what, Yeah, he would And he used
to get mad having to pass the ball to KD
while I'm playing the pass and like I'm then I'm talking,
I ain't that ship shake. You see what I'm saying,
I'm playing the pass, I ain't know the players all that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
He'd be mad.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
He turned over.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
He'll come back here, motherfucker stick me. He's the only
one that went other and that ship. But it was
guys that you know you would see like you'd be like,
all right, come on. I don't got time be wrestling
with this one.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
Y'all get off, they'll come off and the play design
for them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Hey, people will not believe that, bro. Some of your
favorite players was like they show up on certain nights.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
I ain't fucking with it to night. I ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
I ain't seen that for show because they don't want to.
They want to fuck up the eight percentages. They want too, Coulo,
and they waiting on your ass to get back on
the bench so they could go crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
No, no, this is but like I say, this is
the thing that I always respected about Cold. He met
that ship. He was ready for that ship. Oh that's
what you want, bitch, I'm on that time, and that's
got me fucked up. I no, like I'm telling you,
I promise you. It was players, and they that you
would come out there and get on your raw ro

(01:34:40):
and like they'll be like not today, not today, not him,
not today. He was too he knew, bitch, you can't
beat me up. They ain't gonna allow it. And if
you try and fuck with me, I'll put sixty on you.
And that's what I'm gonna try and put fifty six
legitimate fifty or six shit with me.

Speaker 4 (01:34:58):
Okay, let's do that's.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
The embarrassing part.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
I don't I don't want to be that guy. But
it's nowadays. When you look at today's game, Bro, it's
nowadays guys is cool like tripping, Yeah, fifty it is cool.
Nah Hey he gets camera. Man, Hey, come on, let's
take these pictures. Thirty's like, what.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
The fuck like?

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
You just got fifty?

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
Put on?

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
You want to go out there and vote for the camera?

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
Fucking swap jersey do all that?

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Goofy asks man. I'm straight on you man, you just
had fifty. I'm going to the locker room. So start
bench trade defense.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
You know, the hardest person to defend start to the
easiest person to defend get traded. So start bench trade. Okay,
lebron kd this is Cormella and like bird man, damn

(01:35:54):
d man.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
He said, went on he okay, look like cool. So
look what I about Brown. We're talking about Bron today
Causebron done had the same attributes he got today. Back
we're saying, how you judge who's the hard I played
against back in the day. Ain't gonna laugh our scout
report on Bron go under. Yeah, of course our Scout

(01:36:16):
report on Bron.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
Was we live with the Jay, Yeah, you feel me. Mellow,
we couldn't do that, KD. We couldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
So hardest the guard I had to, I still had
to go with Kadi. Okay, well, Mellow right behind that
and the bench bench Mellow, you trade. But that sound
ugly with forty.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
One thousand points, Bro, I'll just say that soundly, you
know what I'm saying. That sound ugly though. It sounded
ugly because it's like when I played him, he didn't
have some attributes. That's all I'm saying to me, and
I don't want to do you tell about the period
you play he.

Speaker 4 (01:37:01):
He's a motherfucker that didn't played for twenty one twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Two years, so.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
That there's a player he wasn't who he is now
when you played against him exactly. So you speaking on
your time period against him, you just spoke on the
I never.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Had looked like this. I never had a moment where
Lebron kept running up on me like watch out, y'all,
watch out, I'm gonna do this.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
I had that moment with Cole, I've had that moment
with Mellow. I've had that moment with Durant.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
I've always had a part well when I played Bron,
he pick and choose when he's gonna do his That's
part of.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
I mean, I think that's what part of the phenomenon
that is Lebron. And you know, the fact that he's
the all time scoring lead, I think that's the debunker
because nobody sees him like that. It's this ultimate like bitch,
I'm about to get the ball and just scoring.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
He's never been that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
The fact of his twenty plus years, his consistency with
health and being.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
Available, and it happen to be like I'm gonna just
take all the shots.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Want to say it, you know what I'm saying, Like
all of those things make it what it is, like
when you say forty k Like he's got that because
if you think about it, Carmelo was out the league
for like two or three years, KD then missed the
whole year with achilles injury and all of these different things,
and then Lebron still older than him, so like that's
why he's been able to accumulate. And he's always kind
of been passed first.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
And y'all know both of y'all, both of y'all been
in the league where you a hold of the fucker?

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
Yeah bothver y'all have been in the league where you good? Yeah?
Hell boy over y'all ain't never been in the league.
Well you got a stick a motherfucker like this.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
That's what I'm saying. We first came.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Now you six nine or sixteen? What have all you
to sixty? What have a fucking what?

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
You win?

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
And you going that motherfucker fast? And I gotta I
gotta slap my feet on you. With your handles that
good and your strength, and yo, bro, y're gonna lose
every time. You gonna get twenty five hundred points every season.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
You had a lot of teammates over your career, a
lot of guys you played with. Out of all the
teammates that you played with, if you had to pick
four other teammates plus you to make an ultimate five
to go against anybody, ultified, everybody in their prime, the
two who would beat them other. Four, let me come

(01:39:21):
off the bench, bro, you got you, I gotta start.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
You got only four?

Speaker 4 (01:39:27):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Look did it?

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Alright? We're gonna go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
We're going kg easy.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
Z bo. Hold on, that's five.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Hold on, that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
The bench? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
We're going.

Speaker 4 (01:39:43):
We're going z Bo.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
That's five four, We're going.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Damn bro oh man, we gotta to go Rajo right no,
and Paul years bro, So.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
I know you Paul here is z BO and KG.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
I like it. But see, look I polled to put listen.
That's what I'm saying. I wanted to. I want to
play Ticket at the three and put Mark at the five,
play him with z Bo z Bo. Put Paul at
the two, Paul at the two, and look, you know,
night in and night out. You know, we gotta roll round.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
He got he got to go ships ride though. This
ain't this ain't a team thing. It's just your five
getting on the court. Who you're finna running with.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
That's fact. That's how this.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
Is what I want to know, you know, shot town
player like itself. Man, I'm ready for it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Get what what what?

Speaker 4 (01:40:42):
What like?

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
You know, I don't want to hear about buying no
crib for mom, dudes and nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
I don't hear. We all know that happened. We all
had to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Take care of the fan.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
I won't know what t A did for young t
A when you spent something like right now you've grown.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
You can look at like tripping, but like, god damn,
I don't care if it was a wide y'alln' cares
it was a wibbon care if it was a fellows
trip or something like what did TA do the first
time you win and you did something that you consider
like y'all did that with the money?

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Like, I don't care what you did that you felt like,
I ain't never did.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
Nothing this big.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
This feels good right here. I just treated myself one time.
We all had our moments. Now, man, listen, all right, cool,
So when I won a championship, Okay, Rondo just gave
us a championship.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
So I want to hear your championship.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
These foods, said man, were finna go Bentley craze a
team man I got.

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
I think I got like three hundred and eighty grand
on the on the playoff money on the playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
When I wont championship, the gave me three hundred eighty grand. Man.
That Bentley had to been three hundred and thirty grand
cash out. I gave him three hundred thirty grand cashut
off the flow put some Volano's on that thing, man, Listen.

Speaker 3 (01:42:01):
That's the same story Rondo just gave. Rondo said, look
me and Perk on our rookie deals. He said, we
won that thing, he said, we didn't even get our
money yet we knew it was coming.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
We went and walked straight to the to the roads,
and see they did that. I wait till my bad came.

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
I walking up there first, get that, man, I ain't
gonna And then it was crazy because soon as I
got to Bentley, it was like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
I'm gonna go to the store, go here, and go
ahead there. After that, like, well, Madrid this, I gotta
go back and play in Boston. You can't ride this
in the snow. And boss, Bro, what the hell I'm
gonna do with the Bentley and Boston and all the snow.
You remember when I brought my cars out to Boston. Yeah,
you had the roads and all that betraying horn.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
Oh that was all deep man, looking forward to doing that.
I'm gonna do that one day. Funk out there, Listen,
scared the ship out of me coming out. Listen got
out of his car. No, we were leaving practice. So
we leaving practice. Brom come pulling out in the ring.

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
I'm leaving.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
Then the thing one coming up. You know they had
they had the little you know you got the gate
the gate. That man said, b I thought the mother
is something wrong? I said, what the father man? That
man got up and look train hork.

Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
It blew me brock to practice.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
I say, brother, don't you ever get behind me and
blow that motherfucker. That ship should be illegal. Bro you
think that was some sick ship. Shot used to ride
around with police lights. He'd ride around with limo tent
on all of all of.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Before he pulled me over one time out the mud.
You know what I'm saying, coming man out the mud.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Y'all, y'all the biggest inspirations all that brother, let y'all know.
Y'all know, y'all is the biggest inspiration of this podcast.
Ship that ship don't go and notice if it went
for y'all. Man, we see you in Zebo.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
We finally got a chance to really see y'all talk
and show your personality, show who you are, and just
watching it from first episode to now, how your peers
embracing y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
That was one of the things I was telling z Bo,
like man, folks want to hear you folks want to
see y'all. You know what I'm saying, y'all some of folks'
favorite players. For both of y'all to hook up and
be together. Your peers are embracing you. Anytime that y'all say,
man a, we want y'all to be on the show,
the folks come running. Man, So how is it to

(01:44:39):
be in this space and you know, just navigate through it?
I know this like it's y'all first year or so
doing it, But how is it to just you know,
have your own podcast, do it with your partner, your
grind partner that you've been grinding with for sure, and
for y'all to be embraced by your peers and guys
want to get on there and just talk to y'all
and just you know, have a meeting of the minds,

(01:45:01):
which y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
It's been great. And honestly, man, I ain't gonna lie. Man,
just hearing everybody's story it excites me, you feel I'm saying,
because like, I know how it came up, and I
just want to hear how a lot of other people
came up and just to see that. Man, everybody's journey's
been different, you know, what I'm saying. And certain guys
who you think, like Vince Dealt the Silver Spoon, they

(01:45:23):
got obstacles that they went through, and I'm talking about
certain battles that they had to go through. And so
for me to see everybody coming, you know, and show love. Man,
it's just been a big brotherhood. Man, from the fraternity
that we all started in and ended in. It's like, man, Joe,
we still family, like no matter how the battles win,
no matter how we competed against each other. Like at

(01:45:45):
the end of the day, Bro, we all had the
journey to get here. And guess what.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
Guess what they tell us when we first get to leave. Bro,
This ain't a right, boy. This is a privilege.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Everybody out of the what now eight thousand people that
have ever played in this league can't get to talk
how we talk. So for you guys to have a
platform and tell these stories and you know how these
experiences and for us to come together and have a
you know, a kumba, y'all, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
Bro, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
I honor it because it's a fast majority of the
world that don't even understand the world. We've been in
the atmospheres that we walk in and what it takes,
even you know, for me to be around Q Rich.
I know for sure I gotta not only make it
competitive if we playing, but I also want to pick

(01:46:35):
up something from Q Rich. I'm also looking for his
it's some inspiration where he gonna tell me something, Well,
he gonna give me some game if it's coming in
podcasts where I'm honoring it. You feel what I'm saying.
So I love it, man.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
I love this space, man, and I'm glad that I'm
around y'all even now.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Bro, this is a true Let me ask you this
because Q had to get me out of this and
y'all seeing you and Zebo is like the exact same thing,
the same thing I was trying to say playing a Zbo.
We don't do cameras and microphone never, it's a cold
we kind of stayed away from.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
We don't do cameras and microphone. How was it for
you to get past?

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Like, man, you gotta do something different to kind of
move forward, you know, to start doing the cameras and
microphone and not being so afraid of them that you
might say something wrong, or you you might say something
that might disrespect somebody or you know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
Say something the biggest like like like we're still under
the microscope, you know what I'm saying. And so I
played like you know what I'm saying because I'm also
tied to organization, you know what I'm saying. And it's like, damn,
I don't want to offend nobody, but I'm also be me.
You see what I'm saying. I'm also be.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Real and y'all do a good job of displaying it, like,
well you could be you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
You know what I'm saying. You can calm down on
the N word. You know what I'm saying to show
you trying to calm down on it. You know what
I'm saying, s version And I take that as y'all
my ogs, bro, and each one should always teach one
and so as we move forward in these platforms, man,
that's that's the game we're given. You feel support each
other and like I said, man, we man, we got

(01:48:11):
We're from a fraternity, bro. Everybody can't even.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
Talk about man, and so moving in this space, bro,
I ain't gonna lie him enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
It's also you know, you should get my mojo back.

Speaker 4 (01:48:21):
You know, Hey, man, we love out the Mud.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
You know what I'm saying different. They ain't even saying
hoop and ship. It ain't about who. Ain't even saying
we love you with the Celtics. We love you, Hey,
We're fucking with you out out the Mud.

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
That's crazy. And so I'm like, damn, so I mean
And then it was crazy because just told me the
other day he was like, Bro was out.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
Bro. He was like, I think he was doing some
grocery shopping or something. He was like, Bro, somebody just
was like, man, I was going through a hard time.
Bro looked at y'all podcast and just to see how
y'all made it to wh y'all made it to Bro,
he said, gave me motivation to keep going. So I'm like, Yo,
we reaching some people, and so as long as we
keep reaching some people in just making it fun, make

(01:49:05):
a lot of people want to hear this shit, man,
A lot of people. A lot of people want to
hear what going to the locker room? Cause everything what
they portraying the media, it's another intail, and we got it.
We can tell we got it. We got the intail.
Check out out the mud man real man.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
I definitely take pride and feel proud like hearing people
like you, z Bo kg just be like you know,
watching me and Black Dude.

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
We did because it's something that we didn't know we
was doing. We got into it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
We didn't know that we was going to inspire nobody
to do nothing or let people know they could do
it their own way. And it don't got to look
a certain way, you know what I'm saying, that people
could still rock with it and like for us like
I take especially when you talk about z Bo because
having z Bra listen, Bro, I'm having z Bo on
here for the first time on our show, Me and him, Bro,

(01:49:57):
true to form. This is probably one of the first
things he did. You thought z Bo was on bond
or something like. Ze Bo was not talking to us.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
It was like one of the quickest, shortest interviews. And
I'm talking about like z Bo just was the other
day on the NBA Hooper visual with me like the
little when we do the live games, me and Mall cars,
z Bra up there kicking killing in that and it's
night and day the conference zone and he's in ye
have it own show and be doing Bro. He was

(01:50:25):
up here talking to us one word yeah, you know
ze Bo sweating once you think about me and its
like I'm like, hold on, bro, Like we did this
ship in l A. I'm like, bro, when we got through,
I say, I say, bro, ain't he ain't want to talk?
No cameras and like to see him now y'all got
your own show on platform and he's asking people the questions,

(01:50:47):
he's sharing all types of different ship with just his
conference on. Like it's crazy to see and like I'm
telling you, like if you you can go look it up,
it's it's in our life. Bro. You go look at
the z BO so you canna be like, man, what
was on? Like you know what I'm saying, Like he
he wasn't there yet, And it just goes to show
you everybody get to that certain point because I mean,
I know, the grow for me and him. When we

(01:51:09):
first got up here. He wouldn't do certain ship did
he do?

Speaker 4 (01:51:13):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
I wasn't even comfortable from the beginning. But you you know,
like everything a week, man, we creature a habit. Like
once we get reps, reps reps, that shit become nothing else,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Just like riding a bike with that being said, It
is getting to the point now where obviously I'm working
with him, but he's starting to dive into sharing his
own experience and an equivalence to whoever we you know
what I'm saying, like whoever we interview, and he like
he could see he could meet him there, like right exactly,
he could meet them where they at, like damn like.

(01:51:45):
And one thing he loved talking about though, that make
Mickey d All American game. Y'all gotta give me y'all
experiences all because both of y'all. I ain't never that
was ship.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
I would they you know, they invited me to the
motherfucker win the All Star Games. Man, I ain't gonna lie.
I would, yeah, but the trasportation was bad. But yeah, yeah, yeah, back,
I ain't gonna hold you, bro. That's that's the crim
little crib in high school high school feel.

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
That's the epitome of what like, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
That's the hall of fame.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
That's the grill, that's like the hall of fame, that's
whatever you want to call. That's as big as it gets.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
Me and Zebo was on a whole different so y'all
played together. Yeah, we was on the saying Okay, So
everybody say that me and Zebo just was mad and
angry at everybody and ship. We kicked everybody ass all week.
So they said we was being mean and stuff. It
was like, man, y'all, man, y'all had a attitude.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
I was on that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Yeah, kids, that was my chance to actually but you know,
it was a lot of Adida guys and guys that
I ain't get to see that was ranked high to me,
like me and Zebo when it came down to it,
we was like ninth and tenth in the rankings. So
when they got there, when we got there and we
were seeing these guys that was that was older than that,

(01:52:57):
I mean, that was us. We started getting on their
ass and let him know he was better than at McDonald's.
At McDonald's and.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
I just want y'all to know when y'all made it,
bro Inner City, y'all like bro listen, you brought up
said Banks, Yeah, brought up Utel, You brought up uh,
Julian Whittt, You dropped Lance.

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
Broh in the city. Bro, y'all was the blueprint.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
At least in my error, we saw the mail leave
out of the Jointed go there we saw q rich
sleeve out of wit.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Y'all go to Paul and purposely stay an extra city
to here.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
Why we don't know you Listen, I had the city
on smash bro.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
You gotta understand my right hand of God. And you
know how you are when you're young, your head is
way more bigger. You think you bigger than you ever were,
and all you thinking invisible. But like, I had a
lot of shit to back me up. When I signed
the d Pall, it was like it was like, oh shit,
the city went crazy. They thought it was about to
be market Guare Teddy grubbs Ter and then it was like.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
Espn MA. Then I showed up and showed out.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
I got every award my freshman year, E three award,
from Player of the Year to every freshman in the year, national, local.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
The thing that influenced me, this thing is that I
played the fucking four. I played, so the Scots wanted
to see more. They wanted to see me.

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
They wanted to see me shoot threes and play the perimeter.
And even when I came the crazy part is that
I came back to school and still didn't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
They listened me at the three and I still played
the same shit.

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
That's why I got drafted way I got drafted because
they wanted to see something different and I did the
same team.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
Go look at my numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
It was twenty and eleven, then it was nineteen and ten.
It was the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
I played a four both years, even though I was
a three. So they thought when I got to the league,
he worked his hands off in the shot when truthfully,
I've been there to shoot since I was a fifth grade.
That was the first thing I was ever able to
do is shoot the ball. I just didn't do it
because I was a better rebounder. Every team I played
for for my seventh grade year averaged double figures in rebound.
I had a knack for rebound. I went to college

(01:55:18):
every sixteen seventeen fifteen rebounds.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
I went to college led the nation in rebound as
a freshman, so it was like like bro.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
When I first played against Kenya martin Cincinnati, we had
to jump ball. That motherfucker looked at me and said.

Speaker 1 (01:55:30):
Bitch, I thought you was like sixt eight.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
Like. I got that so many times when I played teams.

Speaker 3 (01:55:36):
Because you're playing a fold the foe and leading the
country in rebounding as a freshman.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
Nobody knew that I was six', five, so like you
know What i'm.

Speaker 3 (01:55:44):
Saying that was the only thing that WHEN i got to,
school like you already, Know like you, SAID i brought
the mentality with. ME i brought Red West chicago with.
Me WHEN i call, here, Everybody i'm playing For, like,
bro before we played the, Game i'm sitting here looking
were playing you, know athletes in, action, know like the
little bullshit tend you playing. Exhibition i'm chilling that motherfucking popcorn.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
Pop then they, saw, yes see one of the.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
Excitement it's all, NAH i wanted TO i need to
just in college because it was, Like, bro we was
four and twenty something the year.

Speaker 4 (01:56:15):
Before what AM i getting out of this practice and?
EVERYTHING i showed?

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
Up?

Speaker 4 (01:56:19):
Arrogant? Cocky is?

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
Hell we here because y'all could. Not i'm, LIKE i
don't got to compete against. Y'all like they were trying
to punk, us like do that freshman? SHALL i was, Like,
bro are you shitting me right?

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
Now was it?

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (01:56:30):
Was it was?

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
You you never heard one of.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
That it was Me, Lands Bobby, simmons carry Hard, Field
sean Burn old. Lamar we had the number one recruiting
class In. America you aren't about telling me shit. Anyone,
YEAH i couldn't me, particularly. BITCH i had EVERYBODY i
could have went to anywhere in the. Country so it
was Like i'm staying here like our freshman year was. Errogant,

(01:56:54):
NO i know, THAT i.

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
KNOW i love. That you couldn't tell shit In.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Chicago bro just won't.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
Say, man we appreciate you coming on the, show but
we're very proud of, you know what fining.

Speaker 4 (01:57:07):
What you're, Doing, Man so keep doing your. Thing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
Brow we, family, man y'all got y'all got always, Know. Bro,
listen hold on. Cute you gotta always.

Speaker 4 (01:57:14):
Know.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
Bro BEFORE i got into this hoop and. Ship, bro
y'all are the, Guys, bro AND i don't want y'all
ever not feel like y'all ain't the godfathers of that. City,
bro and any hooper coming up before, That, man they
gonna understand. That so big salute to y'all for having
me on the. Platform, man AND i had.

Speaker 4 (01:57:34):
FUN i already know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
Do it, again, man we gotta do a collapse, now
we gotta come on out the.

Speaker 3 (01:57:40):
Mud now that's the set. Up we need both of
these guys on out. There my mother play for the.
Underplay they too near not to.

Speaker 4 (01:57:49):
HEAR i want to thank y'all for your continued support
of The Knuckleheads.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
Podcast be sure to give us two that by writing
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(01:58:18):
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