169 - This Old Sandwich

Karen and Georgia cover the Power Rangers Murder(s) and the murder of Denise Huber.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome my favorite Murder the True Crime Comedy
podcasts for all of your true crime and comedy needs.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yep, the one your mom told you about.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
The one your sister keeps forcing you to listen to.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And you're like, girl, we're never gonna like get over
that thing that happened in tenth grade.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, so you can't. You can't use this as a
hold on a second, it's working.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
I love you again. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
We have so much to talk about, and it's bad
stuff and I have doesn't have anything.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
To do with that. I'll never have to talk about that. Really.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's just we're creating with this podcast a series of
icebreakers for Thanksgivings and say your upcoming easter discomforts that
are heading not.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
You personally, but it's me too. Sorry. I've asked you this.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Question questions like this so many times.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'd love to question my Judaism.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's just is there the easter equivalent? Which I know
is not that story wise, not the equivalent? But is
there a spring celebration in Judaism?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Passover? That's really yeah, because you know there's like an
egg on the satyr plate. Yes, those you motherfuckers stole it.
That's why the eggs are the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
You guys were first, you and all I got ideas.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Luckily, I mean sadly. I'll be gone for my family's passover.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Twitter, what's the plan? Is it at a house? Private home?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Are that my mom's teeny tiny apartment that we all
cram into?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Fun?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's fun?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
And then yeah, and then that man of shovit starts
getting poured everybody, the truth starts getting spoken.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, I elbows last time I got a scar in
my hand from walking into a wall. It just gets
it gets fun, it really does.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Were you walking like the brider Frankenstein, no kind of
hands out.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Making a hilarious joke with and I talk with my
hands and I turned and didn't see the stucco wall
coming at me, And now I have a fucking legit
scar right there.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
You should sue your mother because there goes your fucking
hand modeling career. Georgiacho, it was supposed to be your
safety net when all this fucking falls apart and.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
My toe fucking gets screwed up and my foot modeling
career is over.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Good buy internet foot fetish website. You used to be
the star of wiki feet.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Thank you. I own stock in it. It's not true,
but it is a great dream to have ship for
your dreams. Everyone.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
My aunt Carol was mad that I wasn't going up
for Easter, and my Dad's like, what.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
For the traffic? Are you going with the traffic?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
I know, just for like those big Catholic holidays don't
really bring the family together the way they used to,
which by force, yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Now it's all Now it's more casual.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Of going up because Nora has her ice dancing competition
and then we all actually have a great time.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, fun. Forced to fucking eat eggs or whatever the
hell you do.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yes, it's we have to eat eggs. It's a It's
basically Easter is a Christian egg eating contest and I'm
sick of it.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I'm sick of it. Tho some poor chickens. It's like
cool hand Luke, But on Easter, just gulp them down. Oh,
just keep eating them.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Follow to the Lord that you love him through egg
consuming parents, fallow your eggs. I'm drying, mommy. We were
talking about though Easter between our family and the hospitals,
which are our closest non relative relatives, because they were
our neighbors for years, and we used to always do
Easter at one of our houses. And I'm sure I've

(03:37):
told the story before, but my uncle Steve, because I
was the youngest, he taught me how to pay attention
to nonverbal cues. Because when I was two years old,
we were all doing the Easter egg hunt in the
backyard and of course all my older cousins are running
around and finding all of them, and I'm like two,
kind of stumbling around, and then I realized my uncle
Steve is walking ahead of me, and he keeps intentionally

(03:59):
walking ahead of me, and finally I look up and
I just noticed that he's doing this with his cigarette hand.
So he's always smoking, always had a cigarette between his
first two fingers, and he was joke style exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
He is a total.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
He was a total like Clinias Wood Paul Newman type,
and he strong and silent. He was pointing at where
all the eggs were. He was showing me where they were.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
So two year old Karen was like, verbal clues, Yes,
got it.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I looked up nonverbal clues because I looked, I was like,
why does what's he doing with his cigarette? And I
put like all of a sudden, beautiful mind style. I
put it all together. He's pointing at where the eggs are.
He's helping me cheat.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And then I was like, of course, And then it
turned out he never existed.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
He was the Bundy or the cigarette all along. The
Easter Bunny has a big mustache and he smokes.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Can I tell you that we have the thing that
past ever called hide the Afie Coleman, which is hide
a piece of maza somewhere and the kids have to
go find it and you get money if you It's like.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I saw Ipe Comen was a CNN contributor. I really,
up until this moment, did I even say it?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right? O? You did? No. So it's like, there's how
much money do you get? They're related. It depends on
your family.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
That would make sense, you know, it always depends on
your rich kids are always twenty dollars.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, when the kids are like you get eight presents
for Hannic cuts, Like, well, it depends on your family. Fucker, Yeah,
that's right, that makes sense. I called my friend's fucker
as a kid as a.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Two year old, I too was Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Verbally I use verbal cues, yeah, the verbal que fuck
you bucker, never asked me about Hankai again. When will
you learn? Karen?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
But passover and I know I've told you this. The
our friend, the Greenberg's but invited us over Marsha Greenberg
and her husband who is a doctor in Zatsa and
they lived in Marin and they invited us over for
a passover and fun. We went.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
It was spread to beat the band in.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Their beautiful home. Of course I got to read because
I was the youngest at the tablet.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
So much fun. Yeah, I was always the youngest. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
So I was like, this is the religion for me.
That's why I've always had Judaism has been so close
to my heart because I'm like, these are my people.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
They get what I.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Bring to you.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
This religion different than all other what's different? Like, I
don't care, I just want to join.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Mom, I want to switch. But that's when my mom
explained to me. I guess now that I look at it,
she was just like, no, not everybody.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Has that spread.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Like to me, that was the set like almost like
a Thanksgiving dinner. That's what you got for Passover. And
she was like no, no, no, they're rich like that
was like they've they shipped in fresh fruit from you
know whatever. All the things that we got there.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
We rich haterals.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah exactly, Yeah, because I was like, this is the religion.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yes, well you still eat pretty good when you're poor too.
Fucking what are they called holidays?

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, you guys got a cover.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
We love it.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
We're more about suffering and came tenants.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Live it up while you can live it, love it,
pass it over, learn to levitates, move on from our
religious This is a religious things you want to I'd
rather talk about it. Um, let's do corners. So everything
is new, it's all new. We have a new fucking
office that actually has like sound paneling in it.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, this might sound much different to you than it
normally does, and that's because our acoustic panels have gone
up and the recording studio is one step closer to
being finished.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's right. This is our office, Karen or business women,
I know, how cool is that? It's the greatest. There's
a drawer over there that someone put together for us.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
We've got a mug of pens just fucking sitting there.
We can use any one of the pens we.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Want, any and all. We could take one home, we
could put the whole fucking jar in our in our purse.
And though someone will put new pans out leave when
we're paying for them. Though that's the problem. Oh, that's yeah,
the back end. So another new thing is that we
got the our website and our fan cult totally refucking refreshed.
It got botox, it got juvenim, it got fillers, it

(07:59):
got fucking it got the Beverly Hills Express. That's right.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Basically, we heard you. We knew the interaction wasn't great.
We knew. So we've been working on this kind of
behind the scenes this whole time, and we finally got
to debut it. If you hadn't had a chance, please
go over to www dot my favorite murder dot com
and take a look at the brand new website and
consider joining the brand new fan Cult.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
That's right, it's so much different now. There's a new
logo that's on new merch. We're gonna maybe do a
fan Cult store with fan Cult only merch. There's the
forums are amazing now they're not fucking shitty in all
caps anymore.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, we heard. We definitely heard your feedback on that.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
We felt the same way. Can I just say, like,
that's been on my mind like the fan cult. My
website looking bad has been weighing on my mind for
as long as it's been bad.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Well, of course, it's your way. It's how there's this audience,
this listenership so wants to communication with each other and
with us, and the idea that we weren't able to
facilitate that correctly for so long has been driving us insane.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
It's very frustrating, So you stress. But I'm really proud
of the new site. Yeah, new fan call.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
It's a new company and we basically wrapped our arms
around all of the issues and it's really exciting to us.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
The videos look better, unboxing videos, there's like exclusive content.
Ticket contests are book tour very short, but we're going
on a three city book tour that's right to promote it.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
It's called Say Sexy, Don't Get Murdered. You may have
heard of that title. It's from this show.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, so have you listened to your sister?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Do you even care?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
We're proud of it. It feels like it feels like home.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
And also it feels like we're finally delivering this baby
that we've been pregnant with for like two years. Yeah,
enough with this already we're we're not elephants, goop?

Speaker 2 (09:56):
How long are they pregnant?

Speaker 3 (09:56):
For two years? Steven test me, Holy Shitan thinks it
is two years, But I believe that it's a really
goddamn long time. I guess humans nine months.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Ten months technically, why because they they they judge it
from your the end of your last period, so you
could have been pregnant or something like that. Oh yeah,
you know what I mean for that whole time. It's
actually technically like ten months. Ew I know.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Right, even grosser?

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Ninety five weeks?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Whoa come on?

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Well for years?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Fifty two weeks? Okay, great, good, I knew that.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, human pregnancy is forty weeks.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
An elephant is ninety five weeks basically double, basically double.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, two years basically almost twenty two months.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, a little less than hey.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Speaking of elephant elephants giving birth tomorrow Steven's birth I
don't know that's that sounded shitt than I would restate.
Did not mean your parents are elephants.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I just spent speaking of birthdays. Birthday, thank you tomorrow.
So what day would it be?

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Day? Yesterday?

Speaker 3 (11:04):
The day this comes out was yesterday with Steven's birthday.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
April seventeenth.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, today's Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah this week.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah for us, tomorrow Steven's birthday. But for you, yesterday
was Steven's birthday. So please get those online birthday wishes
to him.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Please, you know he lives for it. Send him gifts
cats to take care of her. Yes. Oh I met
a cat over the weekend. Oh my god. She was
this little Siamese with a broken tail, and maybe she
was incontinent from it, but she was so cute. I
was wanted to cry. What part was cute about the

(11:42):
She was just cute? Okay, Santa to or our local
fucking our local cat rescue.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Are you about to go over the three cat limit?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Hear me out? Okay, poor cats over the to my argument,
what a four is the limit?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Doesn't four make my more sense than three?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Right? Yeah? Two and two? Yes, that's that's counting. Looked,
basic fucking counting. Don't make me count for you. I
don't want to have to add your cats.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
I while I was driving to Pedaloma this weekend, I
was actively looking for stray dogs on the side of
the fire right because one time, honestly, sixteen years ago,
as I was driving up the five, I saw two
dogs running on the side of the road and I
didn't stop for them, and it has haunted me ever since.
And but it was near there. I could see that

(12:30):
we were near somewhere. I think it was near Bakersfield,
so they could have been lost, but they probably were dumped,
you know. Ever since then, I'm like, if I spot one,
I'm taking it. And that's, you know, God's way of
giving me a new dog.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I saw a fucking dog in my neighborhood off leash
and I was like my new dog. Like I slammed
on my brakes and was like yay, and the guy,
the guy just walked by, Yeah, like I was about
to steal your fucking do Yeah, that's all I want.
I know. I mean to hide to Peppie in the bushes.
And you had a kitten in the bushes and four
fine shed there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yes, that's nice gift giving for your friends that you
can't get anything for. How about you plant a stray
animal of their choice into a bush. You know they
passed the same time every day. What are they doing
hanging around that bush?

Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's really weird. Theyd you should save it?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Is it your friend with the raincoat and that's always
got their hands in the pockets.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Why does Michelle like bushes so much? It's really weird.
I do you ever notice that she can tell you
what every kind of bush is when you pass.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
It's so weird. I mean some people call it a
green thumb. I think she's a pervert. She's a bush pervert.
She's a bushman. So yeah, definitely joined the fan call
what are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I don't know, Uh, do you have any any corners
to correct?

Speaker 3 (13:45):
There was just a little bit of a corner that
Stephen printed up because so this woman named Donald's from
the Bay Area and she was a big fan of hippos.
She's a hippohead's and always has been since the eighty
early eighties, says worked at the Oakland Zoo. She remembers
mugs from your from our hometown, the hometown where their

(14:06):
mugs basically half swallowed a child and then got punched
and the nose for it and everything worked out okay.
But basically she was there to say she was there
when mugs lived at the Oakland Zoo. And she still
has mugs that said save baby mugs, coffee mugs that
said save baby mugs, and.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
So she's sending them to us, one of them, just one,
just one, Donna, you know your roommate's going to break
one anyways, you might as well just send it to
us first.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Yeah, exactly, because we need them. Basically, just Donna's here
to say she's she wasn't.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
It wasn't a fucking fever dream of your childhood. She
was there.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
She knows mugs. She's got the mug to prove that mugs.
The hippo was real. And also I think does she
run hippos dot com?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Is that her?

Speaker 4 (14:51):
I think it was posted on there.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Oh, she posted it on hippos dot Oh my god,
which I have Hippo feet dot com. I'm for that next.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Ballerina hippoka with the toast painted pink. What I liked
is just there's really good hippo clip art that was featured.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Who knew?

Speaker 3 (15:13):
You know, when you have a free chance, go on
over to hippos dot com and to spend a little
time and it's just good to know for that person
that got swallowed. Oh wait, I want to show you
this was the.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
This was the one I was looking for. Join us
on Facebook. Oh.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
The International Hippo Society is having a reunion in Albuquerque.
Oh sorry, that was last year.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Look at that clip art, don't break my heart. I
want to go to that fucking What is it a
five K? Or chase you and your drums breath?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
I am in it's a five k, but you just
keep getting dipped into a baby hippo's mouth and then
running to get out of it. What about that drunk
hippo clip art.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
That's a ship faced hippo. Yeah, I love that idea.
He's thumbsapping everyone.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
All right, So anyway, join the fan called to join
that fan called god thing are new over there and
the hippo context.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Bought Hippo dot hippos dot com.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
And we folded them into the new website.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Right, we are hippos dot com, we are hippo we're
ballerinos now.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
And we're also hippa dot com, which is all about
the rules and regulations of doctor.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
We're just taking over websites. We watch out Amazon. Yeah, Besos,
uh yeah, I believe the newly single Jeff Bezos.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Oh you're yeah, Hey, pay your taxes, buddy. Getting political.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, that's that's what we're like.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Politics, bucking hippos and then Matsa, it's just happening. Get
with it.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
God, I wish you could have seen all the gestures
we were doing.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Were just starting.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
I was kind of mimicking her over here over there.
It was like semaphore.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
If you've been to a live show, you've seen it.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
You've seen the great gesturing that goes.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
On when you're listening to a live show and people
just start laughing for no reason. You're like, why are
they laughing? It's because we're weirdly touching each other. Yes,
like a weird, pinchy, awkward way.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yes, we're reaching out for support, physical support for each other.
Or sometimes I'll just turn and do a take to
the audience, like a Carol Burnett style.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
We're I'll just do a big what kind of thing?

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And then she's a big Karen's a big facial actress. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
I like to buy that sounds a facial actress's uh
not the porn style, which God bless I mean, yeah,
let's call it more of an eyebrow actress.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Wouldn't you say that? As I would always say that.
I say it all the time.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Have you ever logged onto wiki eyebrow ew It's so gross?

Speaker 2 (17:37):
That reminds me. There's an Instagram called girly Mags. It's
like gurly dot mags, and they just will post stuff
from the nineties, Like they'll do like an eyebrow slide
show of like what her eyebrows look like famous people's
eyebrows in the nineties. Yes, it's just I don't raise her.
Then kids must think we were fucking crazy. Back then.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
We were.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
We were on diet pills.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Everyone was on either diet pills or it was this
thing of like the style was you try to do
a throwback thing if you can't, if you have enough
taste on your own. But there was no Internet to
guide you, so it.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Was pretty forties of us. Yes, it was very forties.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I mean I'd full on Clara Bow eyebrows for a
long time, but in high school they were full on Brookshields,
late seventies brookshields.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
What we're trying to say is trends come and go.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Be yourself, but don't get anything tattooed onto your face.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Hide your razor when you're drunk, I mean your fucking.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Tweezers razor, Hide everything.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Hide sharp blades to cut your bangs with when you're drunk,
don't Yeah, don't make any hair head face hair.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Decisions when you're drunk. You're always wrong and don't do
what I used to do. We is get drunk and
then brate my roommates into cutting my hair for me.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I'll do it, I.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Do it, I do it.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'm the friend. He'll fucking won't say I don't know.
I'll be like, yes, I have says, and I'll come
do it. Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Because it was always like, all I'm asking for is
an a line bomb, except for I have seventeen layers
of hair. It doesn't look like it on the surface.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I get halfway through and be like, I don't want
to do this anymore. That's literally what would happen.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I can't tell you how many times Dave Mesermer was like,
I can't finish that, it's too much hair, and then
I'd be like, it's fine, we'll be tomorrow. Go is
super cut.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Well, we're staying together this weekend in Nashville at B
and B because there was a hotel issue, so we're
staying at an airbnb. You mean, Vince, there's a jacuzzie.
I'm sure Vince is gonna go straight to the grocery
store and get me canned wine. Nice, I'm gonna cut
your fucking hair.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
What's that experience going to be like when I'm sober?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Sober? How did I just spin you around thirty times?
And then I'm like, can I cut your hair? I
mean you could also dose me. There's a lot of
ways this weekend can go, so grand old Opry. You
just get ready for Karen's new fucking look.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
New look.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
It's gonna be it's gonna be way less hair. It's
going to be next level, literally because I've shaved it
with the next level clippers. That was It's funny.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Oh like you changed the clippers level to the next level.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's goodt I got it. It was an easier way
to go.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
It was a thinker. But I feel like it means
you respect me because you made such a high end joke.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
You're welcome. Is there more business?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
D D D boo boo boo b boom be boop bop.
I think we're ready. I think you go for us amazing.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I think that's perfect because, oh my gosh, the story
I'm going to do, and I should actually say stories
is the power Ranger murder do you remember.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
No, I was a little too old and into math
at the time.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
See same here.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I am old enough so that.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
When all of the Power Ranger things were happening to
the children, it was ninety three too. I mean ninety
three it fucking now.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Basically, ninety three is my peak matth years. Okay, well
back when this started, I was gone already.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Same here. I moved to la in ninety four, and
I was on those diet pills and I think ninety five.
So I wouldn't have paid attention to the beginning of
the mighty Morphine Power Rangers at all. Too old in
every respect except for to see little kids kicking and
punching each other much more than they normally did before.
But that's fine with me. I love it. I love violence,

(21:29):
but always have.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
But uh, that's what this podcast is not about.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Loving violence. But yeah, so I was in the age
where I wasn't paying attention. You know, wouldn't be into
it anyway. So I truly have no idea what the
show aside from the research that's been done, no idea
contextually about this show, what it's about. And it's really
funny when you write up a show like this that's

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like basically a kid's a kid's show that's completely a
made up universe, and it's of course based on I
believe it Japanese, originally a Japanese show. So everything about
it is just I don't even know what anyone's talking about.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
And it does sounds like a dream.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
It does, and when you look it up and read
it like off Wikipedia, it doesn't help.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, it's like, how did this pitch make it to
a TV show? Right?

Speaker 3 (22:20):
And they didn't have to because they were like kids
already love it on the other side of the world.
We know they it always translates over here.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Let's Hollywood, everyone's on diet pills. Let's make this show.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
They won't know the difference. They it won't seem weird
because everyone's high. Let's do this thing.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
It's the nineties. There's no websites, bye, right, there's nothing
to base it on. There's no internet.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
They have to go with this. So we'll start in
the early life of a guy named Ricardo Medinet Junior.
He was born on January twenty fourth, nineteen seventy nine,
in Kern County, California. But you know the Kern River,
it's your favorite place to go vacation. Okat, his family
moved to Downy, another.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Place I loved to Vaka.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
It's so beautiful there. Downey, California, famously known for the Carpenters.
Karen Carpenter and her brother Richard were raised in Downey, Okay.
And then of course this guy. So he grows up
there with his hardworking, middle class family. He's big into sports.
In middle school and through high school, he was a wrestler,

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he played football, he was in street hockey, and he
did martial arts. He also, as a kid, took up
singing and acting because he wanted to, according to his
IMDb profile quote, use the attention to make a difference
and be a positive role model, which I think.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Is what most kids.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
It's like, if you live within two hundred and fifty
miles of Los Angeles, you wanted to be on television
right probably or a movie star right as any kid.
I mean even if you didn't, but especially if you
lived in southern California, it seemed like the opportunity was there.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It totally does. It's like it's actually an option. You can.
You're right by la. Other famous people get places where
you don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Yeah, yeah, no, you can see the pattern. You could
see the path where back then, that's kind of what
it took was near byess, what's the word for that?

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Nearby proximity? Thank you? How did I do?

Speaker 4 (24:13):
That?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Was good? Yeah? We our fucking brains are sync. We're
doing it and our periods are we should do podcasts together.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
So yeah, before the Internet and before American Idol and
all these things were it was like, we want just
anybody to come and show how everyone's talented.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Listen, can we not make star Search? Can we not
be little star Search? Right now?

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
The Orige, the og talent show.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Fucking do you remember Stars Service?

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Do?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
I were out of four stars?

Speaker 5 (24:44):
No?

Speaker 3 (24:44):
But I mean, like, we love.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
That best show. So I wanted to be a spokes
model when I grew up because my I had low
self esteem and thought it was stupid. So that's all
I could That's all I really thought I could do.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Like I'm going right there, I wanted to be Remember
in the Earth versions of it, when they had the
acting thing and the people had to come and and
do scenes, it was so uncomfortable. They'd be like cut
over to a set and it'd be like a written
scene that two actors had.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
To act out.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Oh God, I love that show so much.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Rosi o' donald comedy, stand up comedy, children, the children, rapping,
so many children, rapping.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Children, rapping people, laughing, smile after smile from Ed McMahon.
Three out of four stars. There's tons of people.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Three and three quarters three and three quarter stars.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
My friend Karen Anderson has a really good story about
being on there. But cut this because I can't remember
what it is.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Don't cut that, Okay, something about her how many stars
she got and she was on it?

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, a bunch of comics from back in the day,
like went an audition for it because people were actually
like Rosie o'donald was on it, and like it got
her somewhere, you know. Okay, so what are we talking about.
We're talking about, oh, showbiz. So he pursues acting through
his teen years, and in two thousand and two, when

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he's twenty three, he lands his first major role in
the Power Rangers series, and it was actually season ten
Power Rangers Wild Force.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh so it was already like an established thing.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
It was way established, so it was like a big gig.
Probably it's a huge gig. He gets the leading role
of Cole Evans, the Red Lion Wild Force Ranger who
sheds the Power Rangers team me too, right, your well,
probably your favorite character of the.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Season, I mean, the only one to me.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Okay, So now I'm going to go into talking about
the mighty morphin Power Rangers. Please do in a way
that could not be more ignorant or Wikipedia based. So
go with me and enjoy this as I'm sure that
young children of today listening because they know that this
is like this would be like if somebody was describing

(26:56):
Scooby Doo to me, where I just don't under stand.
In so here, I'll tell you the original mighty morphem
Power Rangers plot line okay, season one, which started in
nineteen ninety three. In August of nineteen ninety three, and
apparently apparently it says that this show essentially launched the
TV network Fox Kids.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's where it started. Okay, Okay, So.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
The plot is astronauts on an exploratory mission open up
an extraterrestrial canister and they released several monsters led by
an evil alien sorceress named Rita Rapulsa. That's a good names, Stephen,
Tell stop me if anything of this.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, Stephen, this is your fucking jam. It's Stephen.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
For my seventh birthday, I got the original Mighty morphm
Power Ranger megazord and I showed Karen for Halloween.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Rangers. My god, post your photo of you in your
little Power Rangers outfit from your birthday and the Instagram.
It's a basic role and you guys tag us if
you have any young power Power Rangers outfit photo, Yes,
post it on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Hold on a second, Well, let me explain what the
swords are first.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Okay, of course, oh my god, we have an expert
in the road.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
But that's perfect because first of all birthday memories for
Stephen's birthday yesterday yesterday. But also then we have someone
here that can actually you're going to now be the
go to when there's actually questions, because all of this
is like I'm reading a translated thing. Okay, So Rita
Propulsa now free. Rita and her monsters plan to take

(28:27):
over Earth. The wise stage zord on from planet el Tar,
someone's five teenagers to his planet, and he gives them
each the ability to perform to transform into the Power Rangers.
This gives them special powers that will help them fight
off Rita and her goons. Each Power Ranger has a Zord,
which is basically a dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Uh oh over the perfect.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
Jurassic Park and Power Rangers were my two favorite things
as a kid.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Now, Power Rangers was before Jurassic Park.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Right, yeah, they like around the same time. Okay, and
yeah this story takes place after after my but this
origin story is was my Power Rangers.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Okay, yeah, can you just describe what a Zord looks like?

Speaker 5 (29:12):
Sure, the original Zords there was a t Rex. There
is a sabertooth cat, there was a Triceratops. There's a Terranodon.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Then there was a mammoth.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
So they were like the Transformer.

Speaker 5 (29:25):
Yeah, they're basically robots, and then all the main kids
like controlled it and they became one giant robot that
like fought guys and like almost like Godzilla suit type
monsters and stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
So it's like Paw Patrol, but they turned into fucking
no idea what that? Okay? I have a young nephew
and that's why I know what that is.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Oh oh, it's today.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
It's today, okay, okay, Okay, I think I get it.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I don't at all, because it's basically you're you're saying
dinosaurs turned into robots.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
They were robot dinosaurs.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Oh okay, they were never they never.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Had scales, No, no, got it.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
So each power Ranger has a zord and then there
are signed to them they can invoke when they want
to power up, and then all the zords can join
together to form of course a megazord. Oh sure, and
what the megazord fights other other.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
Like monsters that read a Rapulso would like summon and
they would like destroy Angel Grove, which was the city.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
I feel like, please, we love it. It's great.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Now let me ask a question.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
This is your birthday present.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
By the way, wasn't there the fact that we're letting
you talk about it?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
We don't anything else.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
This is our chance of being like now we're the
older sisters. You know when the power Rangers would like
strike those poses.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Did that have something to do with calling the zords
up or getting it all together?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (30:41):
They basically would like summon. It would like summon the
robots to come out, like the to like come from
wherever they were, and it was like then they would
be like in there, you know, just kids, and then
they would like the costume would like come over them,
and they would.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
It was like it was like a telephone booth for Superman.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
But they or just was it a gesture? Did they
yell something.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
It's morphin time?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (31:04):
No, god?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
And now did anyone ever mistake that for its muffin
time and serve them banana chocolate chip muffins?

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Accidentally?

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Kids eat healthy?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
It's morphin time. Okay, so that's the baseline. Did you
know any of that?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
No?

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Great, I didn't either. I'll just skip to Power Rangers
Wild Force, which was the season that he was on.
This is now season ten. There were twenty six seasons altogether.
Each year had sixty episodes.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
And it just went from ninety three on till twenty nineteen.
It's still going.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Are you serious? I swear to god.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It's just on a different channel now, I believe. But
like they've never stopped. They just keep So it was
Mighty morphin Power Rangers for the first couple seasons, and
then it changed and like, for example, so it's Mighty
morphin Power Rangers season one, season two, season three, season
three point five, Mighty morphin Alien Rangers Season four is
Power Rangers. Zeo that had to do with the Zeo

(32:05):
Crystal being resorted, restored, rest rest. This isn't that year
about Power Rangers. Season five is Power Rangers Turbo. Season
six is Power Rangers in Space, and seven is where
were they If they weren't in space.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Before they were on fake Earth Earth?

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Well it was Yeah, I think like Angel Grove was
just a fake.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
It was supposed to be I guess Burbanker or whatever
the studio.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, they're just like a Grip's daughter that can also
change into a dinosaur, robot or whatever the fuck. Season
seven is Power Rangers Lost Galaxy. So every after that
it just kept on changing. Season ten was Cole Evans,
who was Medina's character. He's a boy living with a
tribe in a jungle outside the fictitious town of Turtle Cover,

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and he was that ring a bell. Stephen was out
by season ten trying to find his quote destiny, and
then one day he stumbles upon the Anna Mariam, a
floating eye where wild Zords roam free, and there he
meets his new mentor, Princess Shila or Sheila, essentially filling
the role of Zordon from the original series an regular person.

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Sheila gives him and four other Rangers their metamorphosis powers,
and the new Power Ranger team must use their new
abilities to defeat the Evil Orgs, a team of monsters
headed by the Master Org.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Describe my face.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Georgia is bored and angry.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
That's the boat. Angry is the botox.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
He's so basically, Ricardo Medina Junior is on Season ten
of the Power Rangers for that season, only that season,
and that's it. That sucks, Yeah, especially because the Mighty
Morphem Power Rangers are on the list of highest grossing
media franchises. They in their twenty six seasons and then

(33:53):
the additional movies, merch everything. I've got sixteen billion in
retail sales, thirteen billion in March, two hundred and eighteen
million in box office.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
So it's quite. It's quite the franchise.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, but I bet the actors made little to none of.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
That, probably, and especially because it sounds like they probably
just First of all, they all had masks on when
they were the Rangers, right, so they didn't need to.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
Well, so the actual show was that they the fight
scenes were actually footage from the original Japanese show.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yes, so all.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
They did was just take the scenes with like the
cool teens in the nineties, that was all original here,
and then they just reused all the fights scenes.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
They saved money.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
It's so they showed their actual faces. Yes, if you
were as the team that you were an actor. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
But then once the fights and they were in the
outfits and the zords, all that was just.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Faced from Japan and it was a lot of that
right posing and kind of like a lot of cheerleader arms.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
It's called kung fut. It's called cheerleader. It's not. I
think Bruce Lee would have an issue with you calling
it cheerleader.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
I feel like everything is centered and based in cheerleading,
and then from there it's kung fu.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Got the idea from cheerleader. Dragon ball Z originated in cheerleading.
It's just cheerleading, Okay.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
So after Wild Force ends, Ricardo all keys on CSI
in a one off role. He gets a part an er.
In two thousand and five, he gets a spot as
a contestant on the VH one reality show Kept Do
you remember this one?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Jerry Hall, former model, used to be married to Mick Jagger.
She tries to turn American boys into refined British gentlemen. No,
that was a reality show on one.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I'm just giving him away at that point. Young, Yes, seriously, I.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Mean they were just like people want to watch this stuff.
Make up to take two disparate things, two things that
are the opposite, put them on a show call VH one.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
We're all set.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
So he got eliminated in the fifth round, which isn't terrible.
But then six years later his luck turns around because
he goes back to his Power Ranger roots and he
gets the part of the villain Decker in seasons eighteen
and nineteen of Power Rangers Samurai and Power Rangers Super Samurai. Right,

(36:17):
that all ends in twenty twelve. Okay, so in twenty eleven,
thirty two year old So now we're like, that's basically
the background on Ricardo Medina Junior. In twenty eleven, a
thirty two year old man named Josh Sutter moves to
la to help his sister Rachel open a business that
places rescue dogs with new homes and it's called Lucky Puppy.

(36:40):
So they rent a house in Green Valley, which is
just west of Palmdale, and they Josh lives in the
house and they keep the dogs, the rescued dogs they keep,
They board them and care for them in this house.
And the eventual goal is to turn this property into
a dog paradise where all the dogs that aren't placed
in home can live a happy.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Healthy life. That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, so they're basically they're selling rescue dogs to people
and then taking the money and putting it back into
trying to develop this like a farm where dogs can live. Yeah,
which who wouldn't want to live?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
That's like that if you can retire and do anything.
Mine has cats instead of dogs, but whatever.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah, just what you like. While he's working there, Josh
meets a coworker named Sandra Vasquez. They fall in love
with each other. So Sandra says she fell in love
with Josh's warm heart and even killed nature. In late
twenty fourteen, Rachel and Josh hire Ricardo Medina. So this
is basically two years after all of his TV stuff
has dried up, and he gets a job there helping

(37:42):
care for the dogs, and then they also let him
live in.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
The house with Josh. That's got to hurt after your
you know, he's trying to be an actor for fucking
years and years.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yes, and you're on You're on a show that is
ostensibly a humongous hit, a successful show. Yeah, you've been
a part And like, I'm sure kids recognize him. There's
like there's an element to it where he did get
a touch of fame in the kind of way that
it sounds like, is just enough ye to get a

(38:13):
little bit fucked up. Yeah, or maybe by exactly the
wrong amount of drugs, which is what happened to me.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
So no judgment right now, that's happening.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
It's happening now. I meant to tell you, I'm on
so much crank right now, I can't believe it. So
they hire Ricardo. He starts working there, he moves into
the house. Everything at first is great, but then Josh
and Ricardo start arguing a lot and everything starts to deteriorate,
and at one point, Ricardo threatens to release all.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Of the dogs into the wild. No, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
That's not cool at all. So on the night of
January thirty first, twenty fifteen, Ricardo has his girlfriend over
the house, and according to him, Josh had told him
he didn't want him bringing his girlfriend to that house,
but he ignored him and invited her over anyway, this
is how bad it is, and like, it would be

(39:07):
very interesting to know the real details behind this, but
we probably never will in any meaningful way. But essentially,
Josh comes home and Ricardo's Girlfriend's parked in their.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Driveway her car.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Obviously, Josh comes home, Ricardo's girlfriend's cars parked in the
driveway is like blocking things or something where you're like,
you don't even want her there, and then it's like
and then she's just coming up the works and you
come in, come in hot. It's there's nothing worse than
not liking your roommate. Absolutely, it's a nightmare. So and

(39:40):
this is only two months after he started working and
living there two months, so it wasn't good from the
get go and clearly building. Josh comes in pissed. He
confronts Ricardo in the kitchen. They get into a screaming
match and it escalates into a physical fight. So this
is now all according to Ricardo. He says that Josh's

(40:01):
violent outburst scared him badly enough that he and his
girlfriend ran and hid in Ricardo's bedroom. Josh, however, says
this fight isn't over and goes and kicks down the
bedroom door and charges Ricardo, and Ricardo just grabs what's
ever closest, which is a conan the Barbarian.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Style sword, Oh my god, Oh like a blade.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yes, like a big, thick, heavy sword that he constantly
held over his head forever.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Reason a fucking coincidence that it's the closest thing to you. Yeah,
and not like your Garfield fucking penny jar or whatever
what do they call it? Oh like a piggybank. Piggy bank?

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I thought you meant did you see that story about
the Garfield phones washing up on the It's my favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I was just talking about it over the weekend.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
So good, even though it's garbage. Look up, yeah, look
up booths haunting and it's like in France or somewhere
where I'm sure they're just like, what does this gat? Uh?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
So essentially he he claims that in self defense, he
stabbed Josh in the abdomen with his cone and the
barbarian style sword ten times.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Ten times. No, that's not that's not how you defend yourself.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
No, But then he calls nine one one and stays
at the scene. So when the authorities arrive, Josh has
taken to the hospital. He's pronounced dead on arrival. Of course,
he's been stabbed ten times with the cone, the barbarian stime.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I mean him staying there and calling nine on one
tells a difference, like is like, oh well that's.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Not yes, we have to hear what's happened here. It's
like suddenly it's his narrative, that's kind of running the show.
So the police don't arrest Ricardo. They hold him on
a million dollars bail. They don't formally charge him with
any crime because they have to go he he's claiming
self defense, and they realize they have to further conduct

(41:58):
an investigation or they can charge him. They don't have
enough evidence to hold him, so he's released on February third,
twenty fifteen, and after his release, he makes a brief
public statement saying, I want to say I'm very, very
very sorry for what occurred. I'm very happy to be
out of jail. And my heart goes out to the
Sutter family. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
There's so many little I want someone who's good at
dissecting shit to dissect that. Yeah, I want to say
just say it. Yeah, you say too, but you don't. Yeah,
I'm happy to be out of jail. Don't fucking say that.
It's not about you. That's unnecessary, right.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
It's like saying I'm happy I won this or something.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Yeah, it doesn't seem like anybody went over this statement
with him before he presented it.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I mean, every single line of that is has wrongness.
Yea in it.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
I want to say, I want to say I'm very
very very sorry, but.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
You're not saying it. It's that I'm sorry you're upset
about it.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
I'm sorry you're upset, too bad, you're so sensitive, So
and Karen. According to Josh's autopsy, he'd been stabbed a
total of ten times, and he also had stab wounds
on his hands, indicating he was trying to defend himself
during the attack. And Josh's sister and his girlfriend do

(43:16):
not buy Ricardo's self defense story because they've only ever
known Josh to be a calm, rational animal lover who
would not hurt a fly, which, obviously, since his whole
life was devoted to that, you know what I mean,
It's not like that's just kind of like wow.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I mean, I don't think it's true with this guy,
but you can be nice to animals. And a fucking monster. Still.
But if your sister and girlfriend have say that you
have never been angry or violent like one of them,
at least would know if you have had an anger
problem in the past.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yes, true, and usually if you have, if you are
socio or psychopath. When you don't have empathy or conscience,
animals are the first to go. That's when you start going.
You don't see animals as you know, living creatures with
feelings or anything like that. It's just like, oh, what's this,
So it doesn't But but you're exactly right there, I mean, yes,

(44:08):
to be.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
That extreme and you just fucking hate people.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yes, true, that's very true. Anyway. His girlfriend also points
out that Ricardo stabbed Josh multiple times, so that idea
of self defense is crazy. That clearly and quote this
is what she said. Quote to continually stab someone over
and over again, that's not a split decision, a split
second decision.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
That's a killer.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
And minutes before the argument that led to his death,
Josh was on the phone with his father, Donald, discussing
the best new ways to grow organic vegetables on the
property so he could use them to feed the dogs,
and of course the father backs up Rachel and Sandra's
characterization of Josh saying there's not a mean bone in
his body.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I feel like, yeah, here's what self defense is for real.
Plunge the knife in, leave it there. Oh my god,
freaking freak.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Call nine one one, apologize, cry the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yes, we don't do that. Everyone well, and however, Yeah,
that's what that is. That's what that is.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
And clearly if anybody there is that, it's that frustrating
thing if someone's dead and the other person killed them
and is the only one there to tell the story.
We don't know why that door was broken down. I
can say Josh broke it down, or he can have
opened the door, stabbed Josh and then kicked the door
down himself, like any numbers.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
So with Ricardo's girlfriend there too, she was, she was
in the room with that, So what's her story.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
I mean, there's nothing, nothing quoted as her saying so
I'm sure she just backed up his story. Maybe I
would imagine. And I'm not saying that like he wasn't
mad or he who knows, He simply don't. Except for
there's so much said in ten stab Wounds, as we're saying,
totally that's just it's overkill, insanely violent and stabbing someone

(45:58):
one time is so just right.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Taking the knife out and putting it back in.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Sword Conan sword a Conan, the barbarian style sort heavy, huge,
I'm sure inflicted insane amounts of damage.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
So the investigation goes on for a full year before
police have enough evidence to charge him. So on January fourteenth,
twenty sixteen, Ricardo's arrested again on first a first degree
murder charge, so he's in jail. Back in jail, he
faces a life sentence, and his attorney strikes a plea

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bargain with the court, and on March sixteenth, twenty seventeen,
Ricardo pleads guilty to voluntary manslaughter, which is, while still
a felony, a lesser crime that carries a far less
severe punishment, a maximum sentence of six years.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Why no, can we let's raise that everyone.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
On March thirtieth, twenty seventeen, Ricardo's finally sentenced to the
maximum amount of time six years, and he continues to
serve that sentence to this day and released in twenty
twenty three. So Ricardo Medina has an agent that described
him as a trusted friend who had never exhibited a
violent streak, and he said that he did not have

(47:13):
a criminal history prior to the arrest. And he said, quote,
I've known Rick for years. He really is one of
the most peaceful guys. He was thrilled and loved being
a power ranger. He rescued and trained a wonderful German shepherd,
and he was a client and a friend. And he said,
it's still very difficult. This agent says, it's still very
difficult for me to believe that this was anything but

(47:34):
self defense.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yeah, who knows. I mean, what if the story is true,
then it's like, well he you know, yeah, he's fucked
because he's the only one who can tell it. You know.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
I know it's and it's really vague. And I looked
back because I was thinking, so here's.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
At this part.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
I was like, I thought there was drugs involved in this,
or I thought there was something a little more sinister involved.
I didn't think it was this gray, you know, this
kind of like basically clearly to me, it seems like
the cops couldn't prove anything more than that manslaughter charge. Obviously,
there just was no evidence of anything else. Then I
realized that was because there's another Power Ranger murder. And

(48:14):
so that's what I was, That's what I was just
looking at as I was because I put in Power
Ranger murdered drugs, a different Power Ranger murder came up,
and so this but this is and the reason it
didn't come up first and foremost is because this is
a non speaking power Ranger oh murder from two thousand

(48:34):
and four.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Okay, so I don't count it. Fucking count it counts
if you got on to that screen. The word power
and rangeer are in it.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Mighty maybe more.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Fair, maybe they don't.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
But this guy was essentially an extra on the mighty
morphin power. And so this is a story and you
probably know this one. I fucking know a man named
Tom Hawks who was fifty seven years old and his
wife Jackie, who was forty seven.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Oh yeah, the boat yeh yes.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
So they're from Prescott, Arizona, and they had been sailing
around the world on their fifty.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Five foot yacht, the Well Deserved.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Which is such an amazing name for a yacht. They
had used it, they had done all this stuff with it.
But then I think a family member was having a
baby and they wanted to be back in southern California
to be nearby for the family, so they put an
ad out selling the Well Deserved, putting this Well Deserved

(49:31):
up for sale for four hundred and forty thousand dollars. Wow,
yeat money, baby, yacht money. Let's get yachts.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I get seasick. I'm going to pass. I'm scared.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
I'll be scared of the open ocean.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I'll be on the at the restaurant over that overlooks
the ocean, waving at you. Good job, Karen.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I want to be out cut to me.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
The yacht is sunk as surrounded by sharks.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
See save Karen. So get down there.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
I just started a.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Time I would do it, and I do want to
do it. On November fifteenth, two thousand and four, Tom
and Jackie are taking out the Well Deserved for a
test run for their prospective buyer, twenty nine year old
Skyler de Leon and a couple of his friends. So
when he first responded to their ad about selling this yacht,
they didn't trust him, but he showed up with his

(50:24):
wife and brand new baby and their older son, so
then they realized, oh, this is just a young family
and they have this interest and they have the money,
and you know they're being judgmental or whatever. So they
actually end up striking up a bit of a relationship.
And then basically Skyler comes back and goes, I want
to take the yacht for a test run. Oh and

(50:44):
also I'm going to bring a couple of my friends
if that's cool with you, and yeah, and the Hawks were.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Like, sure, that's okay, I trust him now, Yeah, our
cackles are down, yes, cackles.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
They all go out for a test run out of
Newport Harbor and they're out on the open ocean, and
that is when the three men overpower the couple forced
them to sign the boat's ownership over to them.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
What the fuck.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Handcuff them to the anchor, fucking throw them overboard and
drown them intentionally. The Hawks's bodies were never recovered.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Oh what is wrong with this world?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Yes, so that was November fifteenth, so basically to the
two thousand and four. Yeah, So basically how it happened
for like the family was, they went out for they
went out for this test run. The yacht comes back,
but they don't come back, so they don't really know
what's going on, and then ten days later, someone tries

(51:48):
to access their bank account from Mexico. Holy sh And
so that's when the family's notified by the bank. The
bank goes straight to the police and is like, we're
not sure what's happening here, but like this needs to
get investigated. And of course, the second the police start investigating,
all roads lead.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Back to Skylar DeLeon.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah, the non speaking Power Ranger who actually he wasn't
a Power Ranger. He was just an extra in an
episode of The Power Rangers, which is why this is
not the foremost Power Ranger murder. But it did happen before. Yeah,
uh okay. So essentially the plan was that they were
stealing this boat. So basically Skyler Ja Leren tells the

(52:28):
police like, oh, no, I gave them the money and
I got the boat. I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Happened to that. I was like, that was a normal transaction.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, go by standard yacht buying, you know how I
always do. And then you look at his mugshot and
you're like, that guy would never be in the market
for a fucking yacht.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, sorry, no offense to your goatee, but no one
fucking buys it for real.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
It's like, you're no, but his hair is spiked up
with a ton of jail same thing. Yeah, it's a
it's an indicator, it's an Orange County, it's a thing.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
It's how they do.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
So essentially they trace it all back, of course, find
all the evidence. Skyler de Leon is convicted of the
murders and given a death sentence and his wife is
given two life sentences.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Without without the possibility of parole.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Yes, then they find out that also daly On is
charged with scamming fifty thousand dollars from and then slitting
the throat of forty five year old John Jarviy of Anaheim, California,
whose body was found near a roadway in en Sonata
on December twenty seventh, two thousand and three. So basically,
once they start like uncovering what's happening with the Hawkses,

(53:33):
then they realize that he has done this before and
that this is.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Basically they were.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
They were trying to collect and scam people to get
money so they could launder their drug money. And it's
it's kind of lame because then there's an article about
how da Leon's attorney at the start of the trial
said Skyler is guilty of all three murders. But at
the end of this, I'm going to ask you to
give him a life sentence without the positive ability of
parole as the appropriate sentence, and then go into this

(54:00):
whole thing of what a.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Difficult life he's had.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
His dad was a drug dealer and abused him and
all that stuff, where it's just like and clearly the
jury is just like too bad, Like I was abused.
I never killed anybody, Yeah, exactly. That was the lesser
one that I found right at the end before.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
I went to do the other one.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
And this is the very involved and very confusing and
foreign to me mighty more from Power Rangers.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Murders, but also very informative, and now I know everything
about the Power Rangers. So thank you, absolutely, my pleasure, great,
thank you a fucking solid pick.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I'm envious and yet happy for you, honestly.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
The second one I found eleven minutes before you show up, and.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
You started laughing, yeah, because we were sitting across from
each other finishing our murders and I heard you start laughing.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
And then I was just like, oh man, how do
I do this? And like tell it quickly and actually
know what I'm talking about, so I've actually seen and
I'm sure you have to. There's definitely at least a
one twenty twenty or forty eight hours or something about
the Hawks's murder, and you should definitely look into it
because it's I mean, the whole thing is really really gross, obviously,

(55:12):
and really it's that thing of to launder drug money.
They killed, They terribly murdered that couple to launder drug money.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
It's just this world that makes me want to leave,
not leave the house.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Yeah, it's so terrible and inhumane, but it's just you know,
don't trust anybody. We got the solution right here, that's right.
When I just want to tell you one more thing.
This is just my favorite Power Rangers related media piece
of media. You gotta have one, right, which is a
picture I found on Tumblr. I still believe in Tumblr,

(55:47):
even though all the porn's been banned, and.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
There's never about porn.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
No, it's about love and making love.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Yeah. Bad cookbook photos from the sixties, yes.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
And awesome hilarious family photos that like are become then
become legend because they're real, one of which is this
legendary picture of the pink mighty morphin power Ranger kicking
her grandpa in the face.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
That is classic.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
Isn't that the best?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Beautiful?

Speaker 3 (56:14):
It's oh my god, everything about and he's clearly just
playing along with her being a power.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
We had that couch in the eighties. I know, he's
so cute. I love this. It's a I want a
shirt of this. It's a grand image grand Okay, sorry,
I will send this to you, Stephen. So this is
a murder that turns out is one of my top
hometown murders that I completely forgot about.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
So I'm always like I don't have any good ones
or I've done all the good ones. And then I
was on the phone with my mom the other night.
There's wine happening for both of us great and we
were talking about murder, how do you do? And she
reminded me of this one, and I and I was
in I was eleven years old at the time, so
she must have shielded me from it somehow. But I've

(57:02):
seen forensic files about it. I must have just fucking
blanked on this. But it's totally like happened next door
to Irvine where I grew up in Orange County. Amazing
this is the murder of Denise Huber aka the Cold
Storage Killer. Don't know this, I'm sure you will. I'm
not sure you've seen this Forensic Files. And this is
the fucking weirdest part. It takes place in Newport Beach

(57:25):
and Prescott, Arizona. WHOA just like your fucking story, that's right,
and involves a bucking asshole who tries to use his
shitty childhood as an excuse for killing someone. I feel
like it happens so much, it does, so buckle the
fuck up. Yeah, because here we go. I got a
lot of info from a Ranker article by Phil Gibbons,
the Forensic Files. It's called Frozen in Time, Yes, of course.

(57:47):
And there's also a book about this called Cold Storage
by John Lassiter. So you know Lassiter, the guy from
Pixar Don Lassiter. So glad you know who the Pixar
head is because I don't.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
All right, he might not be anymore. I have some problems. Okay, anyway,
we will get into the Showish your taxes, Hey, your
taxes similar but sexual?

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Great? What's not sexual about taxi?

Speaker 3 (58:14):
I mean it's one of the sexier things. That's why
we love accountants so much.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
We talk about how sexy and exciting accountants.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Are all right, time that tie.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Me rewriting history because we shot on accountants so many times.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Right, and dentists. Okay. In June nineteen ninety one, here
we are Orange County. I'm eleven. It doesn't matter. I'm
not part of this.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
I'm twenty one in Sacramento, and on my twenty first
birthday drank at a bar that was a biker bar,
and at the end of the night, walked out the
door and said, as I said, I don't think I'm
that drunk, tripped on my own sandal and fell straight
flat onto the ground.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Now it's your stucco wall story, but mine.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Is the sidewalk knuck up on me, okay, And it
was all uphill from there, as it was so twenty
three year old Denise Hubert, she's bright.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
It's the fucking it's a tale that we've heard a
million times. She's bright, friendly, young woman. She's fucking got
her world ahead of her. She'd graduated from the University
of California, Irvine, which is my fucking town, with a
degree in social sciences, and she was just starting her
life as a grown up so, of course, she lives
at home with her lovely parents, Dennis and Ioni Hubert.

(59:31):
They live in Newport Beach, California, which is an upscale
city in Orange County, and she works part time two
different jobs so she can afford to move out someday.
She's a waitress and a sales assistant at Bloomingdale's Bloomy's,
and she's saving up to a FOURD to r own
place and also until she could get a job in
the field she wanted to work in. So she loves traveling, reading, waterskiing.

(59:57):
She probably would have contributed a lot to society. I
know it was a wonderful fucking person. Beautiful of course,
blue eyed Brunette her whole fucking life ahead of her.
She also loved music. So on the night of Sunday,
June second, nineteen ninety one, Denise picks up a friend
from Huntington Beach and together they drove to the Los
Angeles Forum in Inglewood. You know that place? Is that

(01:00:19):
the place for what's the roller skating movie? They film
it there? What's the roller skating movie? Just roller skating?

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
You mean Xanadu? Yes, oh, that was filmed at the Forum. Yeah,
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah, I've never been side of it. Oh I saw
a couple of manser okay, I's got a couple of fans. Anyways,
they go to the Forum, it's about forty five minutes
away from Orange County, and they go to see Morrissey. Oh,
I know, heartbreaking. They drink in the park like they're
like us. They drink in the fucking parking lot. Yes,
they don't have a ton of money. They share a

(01:00:54):
beer inside because they don't have a ton of money.
And they go to a bar on the way back.
And around two am, Denise drops her friend back off
at his house and she starts her short drive home.
It's like a it's from Huntington Beach to Orange County.
It's like not even ten minutes. So shortly after two am,
just minutes from her parents' house and her off ramp.
Her car blew attire on the southbound lane of the

(01:01:16):
seventy three, which is the Corona del Mar Freeway. It's
like a really small little connector freeway. Denise pulls over
to the side of the freeway. The area is well lit.
It's in a view of several emergency call boxes that
she could have easily walked to and just off the
freeway as a residential neighborhood, there's a gas station she
could have easily walked to to call for help. Of

(01:01:39):
course we don't have We didn't have cell phones then,
so it's the only way to get help. But Denise vanishes.
The next morning, Denise's parents worried that their daughter hadn't
come home. Of course, the night before, call her friends.
No one's seen her. Her best friend Tammy, was like,
I can't just fucking sit around, so that later that
night she just is like, I'm going to drive around

(01:01:59):
and see that can find her car. I know, Tammy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
And also this is starting to sound familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I know you know this one, okay, poor fucking Tammy.
She finds Denise's silver blue Honda on the freeway, pulled
over with a flat tire where Denise left it about
ten pm that night. She finds it. The car is unlocked,
it's battery is drained from the emergency blinkers having gone

(01:02:24):
on all night and all day. Her keys are gone,
and her purse is missing. There's no signs of blood,
no signs of foul play or any other damage to
the car. And also the flat tire doesn't seem like
it was tampered with. It seems like she actually got
a flat tire. Okay, So police arrived and they don't
have a shit ton to work with. They just have
an empty car. Police dogs quickly lose her trail and luckily,

(01:02:47):
and we don't hear this a lot, they believed her
parents when her parents said, she's not someone who just
would have fucking left with someone. Yeah, you know. So,
detectives conduct interviews with everyone in X's life, her boyfriend,
the dude, she went to the more concert, with people
she fucking met at the bar, like all of that shit,
and they can't come up with any answers to what
had happened to Denise. She just fucking vanished it a

(01:03:09):
thin air. So grasping for any break in the case,
they did this crazy thing where they staked out the
freeway where her car went missing, took pictures of the
license plates. And this is before the internet. Shit, ran
those plates with the DMBs and sent those people letters
saying were you on this freeway that night? Did you
see anything? Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
I know that's a great some kind of strategy. Yeah,
I mean, like, at least they're doing something totally that
they come up with fucking nothing right. Unfortunately, yea, so
Denise's family, they're obviously frantic and kind of Orange County.
And this is what my mom was telling me that
she remembers the bumper stickers and the fucking billboard and
just people being so worried about this really normal girl

(01:03:51):
who just vanished out of thin air.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yeah. They put up a six by thirty foot banner
on the side of an apartment building, like you know,
the kind that say if you'd be home, you'd be
home now if you live here. Yeah, it's that overlooking
the spot where her car had been found, reading have
you seen Denise? And it has her photo and all
this stuff with the phone number for the Coasta Mesa
police department. But you know, nothing comes up. Even psychics
are like, mm, we don't know. Her father covers his

(01:04:17):
car with those photos. He says, every time I saw
a girl with long brown hair, I'd go back and
I had to see her face and make sure it
wasn't to kure. These poor parents were just frantic, and
despite all their efforts in the whole fucking community, including
my mom rattling around trying to find Denise, the trail
went cold.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
So cut to three years later, nineteen ninety four, when
forty something year old Elaine Connelia she owns a paint
manufacturing company with her husband in Phoenix, Arizona. Okay, so
she's this second kind of cool woman and she meets
a man selling paint at a swap meet in Prescott Valley, Arizona.
What the fuck? Right, that's really weird, so weird. So

(01:05:02):
the man's a thirty something year old, gaunt bearded dude
named John. He just looks like your average creep, your
average like your average nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
So many dudes right now just have a single tear
rolling down their cheeks. He just isn't gaunt with a
beard in the twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Yeah, that's true, but he even we take it all back.
He looks like Ted Kaczynski's like son and maybe a
little Italian dude. Oh okay, so it's like that kind
of gaunt, the like you've been living in a forest Gaune. Okay,

(01:05:40):
So she meets. So Elaine meets this dude named John,
and according to Elaine, he's personable, seems intelligent and articulate.
He's this fucking normal dude, and they met at the
swap meet where Elaine and her husband sold paint. Sometimes
were and this guy John's old paint as well, so
John tells them they met him a couple of times.
He tells him he had been a painting contractor in

(01:06:00):
California and moved to Arizona for a fresh start, and
that business hadn't been as good as he'd hoped, so
he wanted to sell his surplus paint and his house
was nearby. Did Elaine and her husband want to come
buy it? And they were like, great, let's do it.
So they get in their car and they follow John
to his home, which ends up, you know, he's this
scrubby dude, and ends up being this like exclusive country

(01:06:23):
club area, like luxury custom homes, like golf course area,
who nice house whatever. John leads them. They get to
this house. John leads them to this. Around the side
of the house, there's a driveway at the end of
a wooded fence, and there, among all these insane amount
of paint cans that they go to buy, Elaine sees

(01:06:44):
a twenty four foot GMC Rider rental moving van that
had been backed into the pad and was partially covered
by a canvas tarp. Does you remember this?

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
It's starting to seem familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Yes, there's like an okay, so I wrote to Elaine's
cautious eye. It was also covered in a million red flags.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Yes, I already love Elane so much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Elaine is nosy as fuck and doesn't mind her own business,
and I love her.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Oh yes, Elaine, do it, Elaine, And to all the
Elaines of the world, we salute you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
That's right, my aunt, Elaine. What's up? So she notes
that in her mind, she's like calculating some shit, and
she's like the truck I could tell, she could tell
have been sitting there for some time. It was yellowing
and dusty. She said she felt the hairs on the
back of her neck stand up and at the side
of the truck because it just seems so out of
place and odd, which is the reason I mentioned that

(01:07:36):
it's a rich community. It's just like, what is this
weird truck doing here? Right? The truck had California plates,
and so, assuming the truck had been stolen, Elaine, the
busy body that she is and should be, she writes
down the license plate number, rents the rental company's serial
number bless her and everyone. This is like a U
haul like a U hauled truck that you'd rent for
like us moving your small apartment. Let's say, yeah, right,

(01:07:58):
but it's a writer, so it's like bright fucking yellow.
Oh yes, So if she writes such down, takes it
with her, They buy the paint. This guy's creepy. They
get the fuck out of there. She kind of forgets
about it until a couple of days later when a
friend visits their warehouse to purchase some paint and he
happens to be a detective. Oh yes, Andy Laine tells

(01:08:20):
Detective Stephen Gregory of the Phoenix PD about the strange
truck she had seen in the Prescott County club tract
and gave him the license number along with the serial number,
and she's like, why didn't you check this out? I
bet you anything had stolen? So he Detective Gregory calls
Ryder and is like, Yo, do you have any trucks
that have been stolen from California. Here's the number of

(01:08:42):
the representatives Like, I don't see anything in my system,
and Detective Gregory, it was like, how about you fucking
double check? Thank God? Really turns out he's a great detective. Yes,
just for that simple reason. So shortly after, the rep
calls back and was like, oh shit, you know what,
It's been missing from Orange County for six months.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
Whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Yeah, So no one writer had ever contacted the police
about it, even though they knew it was missing. So
it probably would have stayed missing if it weren't for Elaine, Yes,
having been like, you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
I don't like it. It makes me feel because here's
the thing though, she got a gut reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, she trusted her intuition.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Your hair, the hair on the back of your neck
stands up for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
And when you honor that and follow it, I think
you prove it will be proven that you were right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
And even if you're wrong, no harm, who cares, there's
no harm. Yeah, you didn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
You just want to check something.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Just being nosy. It's fine, it's fine. Don't mind your
own business. That's when people get fucking hurt. That's right,
stopping so goddamn selfish Eline. No, Elaine's good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
No, I mean non Elaine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Okay. So the rental company then reports the vehicle stolen
to the Orange County Sheriff's department so that the truck
can now be searched. Nice. So they're like, great, let's
fucking do this. They so in the morning of July
thirt chance, nineteen ninety four, like right after they find
out that it's been stolen, they just fucking get up
in there. Yes, Deputy Joe Digiacoma goes to the house,

(01:10:09):
checks out the rider truck, and then he's like, this
is fucking weird. There's the thick electrical extension cord that's
coming from the locked back door. You know that slides
down all heavy. Yeah, there's an extension cord coming from
that locked back door. It goes over the fence and
into the neighbor's yard and like is plugged in there?
What right? And he's like, oh great, this is a

(01:10:32):
fucking meth lab. Oh right, So he contacts the narcotics
team of Prescott. Okay, they get there and they're like,
let's fucking do this. This is breaking bad. It's not
made yet though. They cut the lock. A fucking locksmith
has the most fun day of his life breaks that lock.

(01:10:53):
They go into the truck and in the front there's
like paint cans and just a whole bunch of bullshit.
Then they go towards the rear of the cab. What
do they call like the truck thing? It's not a
pickup truck.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
It's like a right, because that would be a truck bed, right,
it would just be the back of the container.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Yes, a truck container, you know. Thank you. Sure it's
not accurate, but I like to participate. Thank you. You're welcome.
When they go back there, they see a large, white,
rectangular chest freezer. The switch for the freezer is in
the omposition, so the freezer had been running constantly, hence

(01:11:30):
the electrical cord. The freezer is also locked, and a
dozens a dozen heavy masking tape pieces had been placed
around the lid to like keep it double time closed.
I don't know, so locksmith cuts that one again and yeah.
Immediately when it opens, the officers smell a horrible scent,

(01:11:53):
and inside they could see like frost on the walls,
showing that it had been there for a long time,
and a large object completely covered with black plastic garbage
bags at the bottom. One of the officers reaches in
to touch it and says, I feel an arm. Oh yeah,
And immediately they close the freezer and call the homicide unit.

(01:12:14):
Don't touch a thing, right, which is great. Yeah, the
freezer's taken into the medical examiner, doctor Anne Vocaltz Bucklets
bou Schultz. That just became a moment to yourself, Georgia, Georgia.
The freezer's taken to the medical examiner, doctor Anne bouch Schultz,
who is able to identify the body, and three years

(01:12:37):
after her mysterious disappearance from the site of an Orange
County freeway, Denise Huber has been found. Oh my god,
I fucking know. Do you remember this at all?

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Yes, I remember seeing it on one of those shows, Yeah,
on like American Justice or something.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Yeah, and it was on I mean back then, he
was even on America's Most Wanted. Yeah, you know, let's
talk about this fucking dude, John, who owns this truck
in this house, the pink guy. John Famalero is born
in Long Island in June nineteen fifty seven, youngest of
three children. Eventually they moved to Santa Anna, California. So
this is all about John's mother, Anna. She's the domineering

(01:13:15):
force of the fucking family. He has two siblings and
she just like dominates them. She's super fucking religious, she's
verbally abusive, and she controls everything about their lives, doesn't
let them play with any kids, doesn't let any kids
come over, and she is super strict whatever, no excuse
for murder. I'm just telling everyone a story. It's the background. Yeah,

(01:13:38):
so Anna, her yard is super fucking clean and orderly
and lovely, but inside she's a hoarder, like a legit hoarder.
Oh yeah. House is filled with stacks of newspapers, magazines, food, laundry,
just boxes of shit. She wouldn't let her kids throw
anything away unless they showed it to her first. Yeah,

(01:13:58):
just so much.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
It stresses me out so much because I feel like
I have the capacity to be a hoarder inside of me,
because I get it. Yeah, there's just a weird of
what if what I might need it. I can't I
can't let go of.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
It because I have certain things that I'm like that with,
But like plastic bags, I'm like, what if I use
it again?

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
It's just the Yeah, but it's like almost like you
just take that mentality about the plastic bags and then
you just spread the logic around to everything else, which
is crazy obviously, But there's it's so much unresolved and
then having a perfect front yard.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
That's that whole thing. That's like, I don't want anyone
to know this shit. Yeah, well, my grandma fucking washed
tinfoil and reused it, but she went through the depression
and also escaping Russia.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Yeah no, no, that's good. That's almost good sense. Yeah,
you're just like, I'm saving this string and I don't
give a shit. We don't know what's going to happen.
I just don't like clutter, right, Well, it feels so
much better when you get rid of it. Yeah that Yeah,
that's why I told you the first time I watched
a hoarder's marathon and then got up and immediately cleaned
out the closet in the room that I was watching it,

(01:15:05):
because it freaked me out so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Nothing feels better than that. Yeah. So, and she Anna
also hoarded silver because she was fiercely anti communism and
thought that the family needed to hoard food and silver
to survive a possible Russian invasion. So she wasn't fucking
doing the best she could in her head.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Well, and it's just that thing of like fear dominating
your life in that way where you are preparing for
an eventuality that will never come, and you are you're
basically shutting down your life for this and of giving
this fear.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
All of this power.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
You're talking about me right now, Well, I'm talking about everybody.
This is what we're all facing and dealing with constantly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
You know, my dad gave me silver for mine e
Vince's wedding because when the end days.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Come, you'll have something to barter with.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Yeah, paper, money's not gonna matter, you need got it.
It's just yeah, I get this a little bit sure,
but not to this extreme obviously, Yeah, I actually like
my dad. No.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Well, and also it's like, what if he's right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah, what if he's right? That's my problem, Like what
if it's true? What if I will fucking get in
a car accident, like you can't live your life? And
what if?

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Well, because when you do that, what you're doing. I
had a whole conversation with my therapist about this today,
but it was instead of about like future apocalypses or whatever,
it's about relationships. I for a long time had this
idea of here's how I'm not going to get hurt again.
I'm going to date people that aren't that thrilling and
that that way, Yeah, when the bad part comes, I

(01:16:40):
won't care that much safe And the problem is it
doesn't work that way. It doesn't because you're going to
get hurt either way. You cannot prevent it. And when
you like underdeal yourself the way I was doing for
so long, then you don't get any of the good
part and you get the bad, but.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
You're not going you might not be hurt either way.
You could bet on someone who turns out to be
fucking great and who sees through all your bullshit and
is like, shut up, yes, I'm talking about Vince and
me and be thinking like.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Well, yeah, but you're right. I mean, like, it's that
thing where when we decide what the future looks like
and then it's only bad, and then we start preparing
for that future. Then we start living for a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Future like that, and we prove ourselves right and we're like, see,
but really, we just fucking did it to ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Yeah, and it's sad.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Yeah, we're working on it. Don't do it. Everyone, work
on it. Work on it, work on it, work on it. Karen, Georgia,
get rid of your silver. Okay, So John isn't violent
as a child, but he has these crazy mood swings,
hyperactivity to depression. It sounds like bipolar. I'm not a doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
What I know you told me when we started this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Meant to tell you I got it in my hippo.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Why are we wearing that white coat on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Why do you stepis goo? Why do you keep taking
my poles?

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Why do you keep taking my poles?

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
That's not what I heard? Okay? By what? Nothing?

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Okay, okay, it's even happy birthday though, serious, seriously, it's
your best birthday ever.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
You're welcome. We got you a Power Rangers costume. No
Power Rangers go? Okay whatever? This is all this ship
they call him, they call him names. Yes, life is hard,
life's hard. Yeah, all this ship. And let's talk about
his mom though. Still she's fucking she's she bathes them
into their preteens years, her pardon her back, including her son,

(01:18:32):
her two sons.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
She bathed them in the newspapers. So that's not clean, No,
it isn't. That's the problem with a hoarder bathing you, Right,
they're just like, here's this old sandwich from three months ago,
scrubbing under your armpits.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Well, she scrubbed their junk. Really hard. I'm until they
were like in the preteen teenagers straight out of VC
Andrews exactly. It's something I'm trying to hit home that
this chick'sick. That is bad. There's some shit going on.
She her fucking breath change, her brother later. His brother
later says her breath changed when she would be scrubbing,

(01:19:10):
they're junk, and they'd be like, this is your special
area and it needs to be cleaned correctly. So she'd
do it for them.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
No no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Don't let anyone touch your junk. But that happened to
her obviously, Yeah, something along those sure, and so she
was really big about like you can't even watch kissing,
no dating, Oh this bullshit that we've heard a million times.
She would sorry, that's not funny. She would burst into
their rooms at night to make sure they weren't masturbating
when they were teenagers, Like it just wasn't a way,

(01:19:38):
it wasn't no wayly healthy way to grow up and
grow your brain. No parts, bad stuff. And so this
culminates in nineteen eighty Anna runs for a seat on
the Santa Ana City Council. Campaign again the hoarder u
huh okay well, she's like, she's campaigning against abortion, pornography
and a local adult theater. So she's got this fucking okay,

(01:20:01):
gusto to change. She's fired up. Oh yeah, all these
sinners and shit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
And then it's like we're moving up to two baths
a day everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Yeah, it's getting serious. Okay. On the same day she
announces her candidacy her older son, John's big brother, Warren,
he's now a chiropractor. He's arrested from lasting two ten
year old patients and we're having unlawful intercourse which come
on with a seventeen year old girl.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Yeah, Warren's convicted and he's committed to a state hospital
as a mentally disordered sex offender, that's what they call him.
And to get away from the embarrassment, that's when the
parents moved to Prescott, Arizona. Okay, can I do an
a side of a quick hometown? Please? Just little bits
of it that because I always look it up on
the Okay, Yeah, to cross references. Yeah, yeah, And this

(01:20:51):
is sticking with Anna, Hello, Karen, George Stephen and pet
cohorts Da Da Da Dadah. I was recently diagnosed with
a brain aneurysm, and I found MFM to be an
excellent way to distract myself and keep my blood pressure
down as I await my upcoming surgery.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
In two thousand and two, I was a first semester
a nursing student, and it was assigned to the local
VA hospital for clinicals. On one of my earliest clinical days,
I was walking down the hall when a little old
lady came out of a patient room and asked me
if I could help, If I could come in and
help her. Husband quick description of the little old lady,
kind of small, with a toothy fake smile plastered on

(01:21:23):
her face, and eyes that were simultaneously too bright and
dead inside. Oh. Also, she seemed hella innocuous, but she
was actually ven a missus fuck. I politely informed her
that I was a nursing student and that I would
get someone who knew what they were doing to come
help her. I went and found the staff nurse that
I was assigned to, told her about the woman's request,
and the nurse immediately stopped what she was doing, looked
me square in the eyes, and said, never go into

(01:21:46):
that room without a staff member. Whoa she explained The
woman who flagged me down, had a history of tricking
nursing students into coming into the room, having them do
some innocuous task, and then fucking with her husband's dressings,
the catheter, bedding, whatever, and blaming on the nursing student.
I'm talking about Anna. If you don't know this, hurry
I kind of caught on. Yeah, okay, so I don't

(01:22:10):
think you're stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
It was a bit confrontational, Louise, which part I'm talking
about Anna?

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
As my supervising nurse went to see if the patient
actually needed anything, she whispered to me and their son
is a serial killer, which ended up not being true,
but killer, yes. I heard a lot of stories about
her and her incessant sabotage, mental torture of staff. She
would pocket her husband's meds and then accuse the staff
of not providing them. She would remove his catheter and

(01:22:37):
blame it, blame staff for his wet sheets. The woman's
mind games resulted in a lot of people quitting, and
she was at one point refused access to the property
after she brought a gun on campus. Little Old Lady
following a verbal altercation with some of the nursing staff,
Dang it, and it says stay sex, you don't get murdered,
and if you have a family history of aneurysms, go
get yourself checked out.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Smart.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
And I'm not gonna say her name because of hippo reasons,
and I don't want her to get in trouble, that's right.
But and you're a hip back thank you, you know
your name?

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
That is.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
It's because it's almost like it's you know, like we're saying,
like the hoarding thing is like tip of the iceberg.
Clearly it's about other things. Then as you're talking about
the other things, and it's like, oh man, it is
way worse. It's way worse. And then it's like something
like that, where where was the husband through all of
the other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
The thing he was that meek let her do whatever
she wanted. It was all her, It was all her.
They were super religious, so he was like, it's God's fuck.
Whatever she's saying is God's will, and so I back
her up. Oh wow, yeah, okay, you know it's one
of those situations. Yeah, it just sucks. So so they
went to Prescott, Arizona, the parents to skid out a

(01:23:44):
lot of that massive child molestation shit. Right, John stayed
in Orange County and attended various colleges. He studied some
shit he won. Stayed to a woman who was being
assaulted at knife point out of bus stop, which to
me is so weird. So obviously he killed de niece,
but yet he also had this like hero complex and

(01:24:06):
saved this woman at who assailant was a tackling, was
attacking her with a knife. He tackles the assailant, takes
away that knife, pins him to the ground until the
police arrived, like he was also saving. There's just it's
just this weird brain. Yeah. So he gets into the
house painting business, hires it. He hires a team of painters,

(01:24:26):
and moves his business into a warehouse in Laguna Hills, California,
which is like twenty minutes from Newport. Beach. Has several
girlfriends over the years, and he has friends. They all
say is a good sense of humor. They described him
as fun, intelligent, nice, respectful, considerate, and polite, but they
also describe him as secretive, manipulative, and a smooth talker.

(01:24:49):
It's like fucking pick one.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
Yeah, really, well, it can be both, because it's that
thing where like the fun times are fun a lot
of It's a good thing to remember. It's easy to
have fun, right. It's easy to have fun, right. But
then when the shit goes down and someone suddenly is
just like gaslighting you for reasons that you don't understand,
that's when it's like, yeah, the fun, it doesn't counterbalance.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
It has to be close, as close to one hundred
percent as possible. You want someone who's reliable, I think
is what the secret is. Consistent, consistent, thank you, Yeah,
I have that. In the summer of nineteen ninety two,
John finally moves to Arizona to be close to his
parents because his father had been hospitalized. Like, our fucking
hometown just told us, okay, So he moves next door
to his parents, where he parks the twenty four foot

(01:25:33):
rider truck that he had brought with him from Orange County,
where it sat with an electrical cord plugged into next
door into his parents' house. Remember it was yeah the
neighbor m hm, until fucking Elaine comes along and is like,
not today, a motherfucker. I don't like this. I don't
like this, and red flags. So John.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
Some might argue she was sent by God.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
That's right. I think Denise's parents say that that's right.
So John he for Malero. He's thirty four years old.
He's arrested. Obviously, they search his house and it turns
out he's a hoarder too now saved everything in his
life and in a box labeled Christmas fucking handwritten, and
if you watch the Forensic Files episode, you can see
a lot of cool like photos and shit of like,

(01:26:19):
obviously all this stuff, all that evidence, and in the
Christmas box they find a lot of incriminating items that
John couldn't part with as a hoarder, So black garbage
bags that are similar to the ones that were that
Denise was wrapped in. In the freezer, they found Denise's wallet, purse,
everything that would have They found, you know, her fucking

(01:26:40):
driver's license is in there, her car keys, the outfit
she was wearing the night of her disappearance, this poor
baby girl. And then another box contain a bloodstained hammer
and basically the outfit that John probably was wearing that night,
covered in blood like he couldn't get rid of it,
which I don't like. Everyone talks about maybe you know,
the want trophies and shit, but the hoarding part I

(01:27:02):
think is more likely than him wanting a trophy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Yeah, he couldn't. Like throwing something away was threatening.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Yeah, he drove the SNK from California to Arizona. He
could have buried this stuff in the desert. He didn't.
He needed it. They had to keep it. Yeah. Yeah,
So of course that blood ends up being Denise's blood.
They find a receipt from a Montgomery Ward for a
freezer that's the same model. Obviously, the freezer's delivered to

(01:27:31):
his Laguna Hills storage unit only nine days after Denise
Huber's disappearance. And when an Orange County criminologist they go,
they perform what forensic files wouldn't exist without luminal tests. Yes,
on the floor, and of course it's blood. And the
fucking people who this is one of the parts I

(01:27:51):
will never forget. The people who had taken over the
storage unit later were like, oh, we thought it was
just a stain and we hosed it down. Never hoes
down a stain, No, I mean what? Yeah, so storage units,
I know, mighty so creepy. They call it a warehouse,
but it's clearly a fucking storage unit. And so, because

(01:28:15):
since it was determined that Denise was murdered in that
storage unit. John's extradited back to Orange County for trial.
So he's extradited back to California for trial. So John
fa Maalero immediately. The detectives say that he's just as
cool as a fucking cucumber, doesn't react or anything immediately,
It's like I want an attorney, doesn't say a thing

(01:28:37):
ever about it, and he refuses to testify, pleads not guilty.
So to the prosecutors could only speculate what happened to Denise,
which is that her tire did blow out normally and
she probably got out of her car started walking towards
a call box, and as John Famalaro drove by, he

(01:28:58):
saw her on the side of the road pulls. It's
possible he was out looking for a victim since it
was so late in the night, but we don't know.
It might just be fucking awful time and place right.
And there's no blood near the car, so they assume,
and Denise had no defensive wounds, so it's theorized that
she might have initially gotten into his car willingly to
get help. But when they searched his house, they found

(01:29:21):
two sheriff's deputy's uniforms in his possession. So it's probable,
and because this is my favorite murder, we can say
definitely yeah, fact that he was posing, he was posing
as a cop.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
That would make so much more sense because why would
she get into a strange man's car on the call
boxes right there?

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
You wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
It would be like, what do you want me to
drive you down to the gas station that you can see.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Right, or like, just take me to my parents' house.
They'll help me. Because she was literally like I think
the off ramp for her parents' house was right there,
So just drop me off my parents' house, they'll come
get My dad can change a tire whatever. Sorry, that
was sexist, My parents can change a tire whatever. Right.
They theorized that when she was in the car almost
because he was driving, and he immediately was driving where
he shouldn't have been driving, so he probably rendered her

(01:30:08):
unconscious unconscious pretty immediately, and then based on the autopsy,
he duct taped her face and eyes and handcuffed her
and brought her to a storage warehouse. And then because
they had all her clothes that he kept, they saw
that there were these weird scuff marks on the back
of her heels that indicated that he had dragged her
from the car to the warehouse, which is so fucking awful.

(01:30:31):
Once there, John Famalo raped Denise and then placed three
white plastic bags around her head since them and then
took what medical examiners later surmised to be a fourteen
inch iron nail puller that was found in his home
and hit her over the head at least thirty one
separate times.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
Yeah. Based on the fact that there was no external
trauma and no signs of defensive wounds, it's thought that
she was most likely unconscious when she was killed, which
like small favorite, yeah, a little bit, yeah, yeah, I
mean yeah yeah. So during the trial, all this other
like corroborating, corroborating shit came around, Like two of his

(01:31:13):
exes came forward and was like, there were these weird
moments where he handcuffed me against my will and like
humiliated me, and he was violent in these weird little times.
But both of them had gotten back together with him afterwards,
had freaked out, was like fuck you and left, and
then he fucking convinced them, yeah, that they just didn't
understand the situation that like he was like, no, that's

(01:31:35):
I thought we were playing. I didn't you. I didn't
mean it like that, and convinced these women that which
like they knew that it wasn't right, and so they
broke up with him and left. But he's a psychopagic psychopa.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
He knows what to say, he knows how to talk
to people, he knows how to be, like the friends
were saying, charming, casual, fun whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Exactly. Yes, it's terrifying. Yeah. Also, it came out that
poss Warren had also molested John as a child. You know.
Denise's murder was determined to be an incredibly violent and
brutal assault, and for it, John Pamlero was found guilty
and received the death penalty. WHOA, yeah, but of course

(01:32:16):
it's California. Yeah, well, not overturned. California has a moratorium
on the death penalty, and so Dennis and Ione, the
parents of Denise, say that they may never see their
daughter's killer put to death, but they've made peace with
it because we have this whole it's we're like a
we're like a symbolic death penalty state, meaning you can

(01:32:36):
be on death row, but we're probably never going to
kill you, but you'll never get out also, right, Okay, yeah,
that's important. Yeah, I hope her dad said that the
wound never heals, you just learn how to deal with it.
As a side note, identification and other materials associated with
other women were found during the search of his house.

(01:32:58):
Some of them were like and they're alive and fine,
and some have never been unidentified. So it leaves the
possibility open that John Famalaro murdered other women, but they
still don't know. It's the case is still open in Arizona.

Speaker 3 (01:33:13):
Because they always say that, like especially that age, it
does you don't start mid life, right, and you don't
start with an intensely brutal murder with potentially posing as
a cop and all that. That's not a first off.
Yeah that's a pattern, right, Yeah, that's long that's a
long held developing pattern.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Murder Squad, can we get on this? I mean for real?
So despite all his fucking stupid idiot appeals, he remains
on death Rone San Quentin. So Elaine Kennaliah our friend, Elaine,
our best friend. She and after he was caught, she
spoke with Denise's parents and she told them how sorry

(01:33:54):
she was, and they told her that it was God's
will that she helped them find her last child, and
they were like, you know, connecting and shit. Elaine told
him that she had felt this really weird feeling while
she was at the house and that she felt a
strong pull coming from this truck and her parents are like,
this is it was like intervention. It was supposed to

(01:34:14):
fucking happen.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Denise Huber was buried in August of nineteen ninety four
next to her grandparents in South Dakota. Over two hundred
family members and friends attended her services, after which dozens
of brightly colored balloons were released in Denise's memory, and
the inscription on Denise Huber's headstone reads, you will always
be loved. Oh and that's the story of the murder

(01:34:37):
of Denise huber Man, my fucking hometown murder.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
And such a good like that. Oh my god, there's
so many elements to that, you know, that's such a
good story.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
It's so weird because I remember like bits of this
in that, like I remember seeing I think on like
the Forensic Files are one of these shows like a
row of specific storage unit doors that look really specific
to Orange County because we have these like wide swaths
of like fucking weird storage and shit. Yeah, and every

(01:35:09):
time I drive by one now I think of like
someone was murdered in one of these and one of
these stories. Yeah, but like it never it never like
came to me that it was this murder. Yeah, so
now I have this connection to it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Unbelievable. Yeah, I remember. I feel like the first thing
that seemed familiar was the stretch of road that she
got the flat tire on that was like isolated but
not uh, it wasn't isolated, but it was this kind
of like she was stuck in this patch of road.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Yeah. It was definitely like I didn't drive done that freeway,
but the freeway that's like next to it, the fifty five,
was really similar. It was just this short freeway that
got you from Newport to Coasta Mesa or whatever. It
was like not a lot of traffic during the day,
let alone at two in the morning, so I could
see it. It feels isolated, even though you're surrounded in
Orange County. There's never any like you're never isolated in

(01:35:59):
Orange cat right, but it does feel that way. Yeah, man,
I know, and just all that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Yeah, it's very fateful and you know, Elaine getting her
nose in there and just being like, I don't like
the way this looks and I want someone to do
something about it. And then that detective who is like,
I'm going, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Something, I take you seriously, Yeah, and I'm going to
double down and I'm going to fucking make sure they check. Yeah,
it's pretty amazing, and you know, good for them. And
also I think I've heard a long time ago that
when you get a flat tire, and I know we
have cell phones now so it's different, but when you
get a flat tire, drive off the freeway, even if
you fuck up your rim. Yes, it's important to get
to it like a well lit gas station or something

(01:36:37):
and not pull her on the side of the road.
Not that it's her fucking fault, obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
Of course not, but you when you don't know that, like, yeah,
you can drive on rims for a while. Obviously, little
fuck your rim up, But you can drive on a
flat for a while. You can drive on a rim.
There's an amazing story in the Tails from the tour Bus.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Yeah, and I think it was it Jerry Lee Lewis.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
They drove on rims because they didn't want to miss
a show, and when they pulled up in I'm pretty
sure it was Chicago, the back of the car was
on fire because they had driven for so long on
the rims.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Don't do that. I'm going to look it up. Yeah,
don't do that for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
But what I'm saying is that basically you can go
for much further than you think.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Get out the freeway. I mean, first of all, for
fucking safety. There's cars zipping by. It's scary and dangerous.
But also, yeah, you want to make sure there's people
around you. Get to a gas station, get to a
Whilllip place. That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Yeah, yeah, amazing, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Fucking horai fucking horayh this shit. I wanted it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
I have wanted to fucking horay this for three days
because I just found so my sister's best friend, Adrian.
I'll never not describe her that way. It's it's how
I know her, So it's how you know her, big
podcast person herself. So what she asked me? Uh oh,
First of all, she called me. Now, these are my

(01:37:55):
sister and her best friend. Are the two people I
spent the most time I'm with all of my life
since I was ten, and they were the most bored,
irritated older sisters. They never were interested in anything I
had to say. I would always try to hang out
with them. They were always trying to get me to
leave the room. Adrian wasn't like that. My sister two
years younger, two years younger, and so they were the

(01:38:17):
ones that were like, here's how you can hang out
in my room. This is my sister's idea.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Yeah, you have to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Make up a lip sync to Pep and a Tar's
get Nervous or whatever some song.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
They would They would tell me what I had to do.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Then I would spend an hour in my room making
up a thing, and then I'd have to go in
and do it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
It's like you're being hazed constantly.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
Yes, but it's like we're still deciding whether or not
you can. The answer was always no at the end,
and I would just go back and try it again.
So they basically trained me for show. Yeah, exactly they did.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
But they also trained you for the heartbreak of it too,
because yeah, I used to hearing no. Since you no
was like, Okay, I'm just going to try again. That's great.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Yeah, so I owe them my career. So anyway, and
they both have good taste. I trust them, so.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
It probably right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
I wasn't giving that lip syn performance my all, and
I should have used a chair and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Sat backwards on it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
So anyway, So and Adrian is the one that, like
when we obviously started this podcast, called me and was like,
when are you doing Richard Meers And I was like,
oh my god, You're into this.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
She's been in it part of it from the beginning.
It's totally so.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
I recommended to her the Teacher's Pet podcast that we
have become obsessed with, and she, when I saw her
this weekend, had just finished it. And then she goes,
have you listened to Who the hell is Hamish? And
I was like, I don't know what you're talking about.
She goes, oh, that was the podcast that started when
the last episode of Teacher's Pet ended. It's another podcast

(01:39:44):
by The Australian, the newspaper, and it is so good.
It's about this fucking con man named Hamish. He's got
a million last names and his path of destruction is
un fucking believable. And here for this I recommend it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
It's first of all, and we've said this before with
Teacher's Pet, I want to listen to Australian people talk
all the time. They are super intelligent, they use very
big words.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
They clearly have a good educational system there. They're great
at expressing themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
I don't know what it is, and it's cute and
it's the phrases are funny too, so it's like, oh,
that's cute. They call it these things.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
And it all goes up at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
I know, I do New Zealand sometimes when I should
be doing it well, Australian they call things stuff that
we think is funny and weird, so it's entertaining too.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Yes they're yeah, their slang is good. But then also
just their ability to be interviewed. It's like they're all
kind of podcast ready, casual and not nervous. Yeah, not nervous,
very earnest intelligence. So it's just person after person who
has come up against this con man who has conned
multiple multi million dollars out of people over years and

(01:40:56):
is never like it has never gotten caught until something.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
Oh my god, I have to hear it. I need
to learn, do I well, I learn how to spot
a con man and not.

Speaker 3 (01:41:04):
Yes, well, because what it is is you have to
what I think the lesson is is it's you can't
spot a con man because they are masters at camouflage. So,
but there are things it's you can spot a compulsive liar,
and that's people like rite off and joke about compulsive liars.

(01:41:24):
But that is one of like the foundational things of
people who don't have consciences about how they affect other people.
Don't care, they don't care what your what your reaction
to their story. Right, They're going to tell you because
in their mind, here's how it's going.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
To go, and it's going to be believed.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
Yes, and I've ever impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
I don't think I've ever met a compulsive liar before.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
They're a pretty amazing real Yeah, I've met a couple
and it's or maybe I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:41:51):
Just so fucking good. No, but like one of those
like that's there's no way that happened right where.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
It's the thing of if you say, I went skiing
this weekend, they said, this is an example they gave
they he goes, well, I was actually a ski champion.
And the people that used to work with him, because
he started off as like a commodities trader or whatever,
they just would joke about him because no matter what
you said, he would come back with a bigger thing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Okay. I do know someone a friend dated who did
that all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Yeah, And I think there's pieces like that that you
put together. There's also like big stories, and there's they
try to get you when you first meet. They try
to get you with sympathy, so they'll come in if
I was an orphan, my parents were killed at this age,
I've been through this, I've been through that. And then suddenly,
especially with women, you have all this empathy and you

(01:42:36):
kind of have that look of alwa's been through so much,
so when he's lying to you or when he gets
caught in line, because you know the logic behind always
suffered so much.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
It's amazing. So anyway, I rather than it's called who
the hell is Hamish?

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
And it is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
I think it's eight eight episodes altogether. It's so good
and I just the Australian newspaper is like killing it
in the podcast rain, They're.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Just so good at it. I'm so excited because I
just finished I've beinge watching listened in a week to
a podcast too. Let's let's have it be my fucking
all right, which one is it? I'm stealing it from
you that I am so bummed is over And there
was this moment where I was like, why do I
want to clean the house so bad? Oh? Because I
want to listen to this podcast. Yeah, it's I think
a lot of people listen to it. But it's called

(01:43:22):
The Root of Evil or just Root of Evil, and
it's the one that the you know, the TNT thing
they just did. I Am the night. So the two
of the granddaughters of George Hodell, Yes, the fucking I
believe fucking black Dahlia murderer, slash, piece of fucking shit
like rapist. They narrate his life and all the horrible

(01:43:44):
things he did. And their mother is Fauna, the girl
who didn't know that she was. It's just this insane,
fucking family story. If you think your family story is bad,
listen to this. It's worse. And it's just really well
done because it's all family and the girl, the women
who are doing the interviews, it's their family. It means
a lot to them. They have so much heart and

(01:44:04):
they care and it's it's just an incredible story of
survival and you know, these this beautiful story that can
come out of it. Even though it's awful. Yeah, you know,
gives you hope, but it's also like devastating and I
cried in the shower recently.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
Oh yeah, I mean that's what I feel like. That's
so that's the true crime experience.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
Yeah, so rood of Evil.

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
Who the hell is Hamish? Yeah? I had one other
thing I had. Oh, I went and saw my friend
Crystal Langham do a pull dance competition. She started pull
dancing like six months ago, and to make herself learn
it and be good at it, she signed up for
a competition. I was like four months away, which I
think is great. It's very smart. Yeah, but she's been

(01:44:46):
stressing about it. It's been awful. And she went and
got fucking first place. That's amazing. She and I went
on Sunday. She fucking killed it. This whole pole dancing
community is a really beautiful fucking thing that I didn't
really know existed. Yeah, if you were looking to dance
and do stuff, go learn a full dance. Yeah, awesome
it congratulations Crystal, Yeah, congratulations Crystals. It was also inspiring

(01:45:08):
to me.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Yeah, I bet because it's very physical and that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
So I signed you up for a pole dance competition.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
No, no, okay, great, no, sure, but if you sign
me up for something in swimming?

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Okay, how about how about what have you become.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
A yep, synchronized swimmer? Yes, well I already you know.
I think I've bragged about my cousins Mary, Kate and Eileen.
We're on the San Francisco Marionettes, which was a competitive
synchronized swimming team, and we used to go watch them,
like sitting in the fog in like the mission, watching
them practice with their nose clips, and they're like, we

(01:45:45):
got taught to do the thing where you you are
laying on the water, then you go down and you
just leave your legs up and you go down like
an L shape so that you're down going down straight.
Your upper bodies go down straight, and then you flip
one leg up and then the second and you drill down. Yes,
we got they my I lean taught us for like
an entire summer. What that like basically combination so hard,

(01:46:09):
it's amazing, and it's the whole time underneath the water
you're like doing like goldfish arms.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
I'm going to be on the sidelines with a my
tie gun.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Karen, You're killing it. What's your activity you're doing?

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Are are you?

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
What about pole dancing? No?

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
I'm not doing that? Are you kidding me? I went
I was inspired to do something, not that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
There's no to do a thing event ye do.

Speaker 2 (01:46:31):
A thing that you want to try and give yourself
a challenge, and I promised to be there on the
sidelines with my tie cheering you on.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Well, I hope you rise to that challenge, and I
hope that dream comes true for you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
That's my dream. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
I think that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
Gosh, guys, thanks for listening. Guys, we appreciate your ears
and your heart and your we do. Thank you so much,
thank you. Thank you to Stephen and his birthday. Happy
birthday to Stephen birthday, Stephen, this we love you. Stay
sexy and don't get murdered bybye elbas you want to
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