237 - Anti-Hype Man

Karen and Georgia cover the wickedest woman in America, Patty Cannon, and the unsolved murder of civil rights pioneer Alberta Jones.

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome. It's my favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hardstar,
that's Karen kil Gariff. This is a podcast. Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
You know that because you pressed that little purple icon
on your phone and you're listening to podcasts.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
That's right. This is not a TV show. Don't wait
for the visual.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
This isn't an audio book. We're not going to read
you a story.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
No, this is uh, this is nonfiction, right? Nonfiction is true.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yes, it's also compusing. I remember being taught that in
like fifth grade and being like, who's in charge? This
is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Excuse me, how hard are you trying to make the
English language?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
This is that thing where like guys that play the
guitar won't just show you how to make a chord
with your hand. They need to talk about like all
the different whatever. Where it's like you could just got
Nonfiction's not true.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
That was the This is inner the same category of
when am I ever going to need math in my
adult life?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, it all goes in. It all goes in there.
Let us reconfigure the education system. We're just here for this.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Distinctly, remember being around ten and being like, I will
now say how we're going to refer to books that
are true or are not true? Yes, not true as nonfiction? Right,
true is fiction. This is how I needed to go.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Man, I fucking missed the day where they taught.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yours your your you are.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
That one, yeah, or let's one of those and just
wasn't in elementary school and just never figured it out
until high school because I just missed that fucking day
of class.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
That's the same thing happened to me with long division,
which kicked off my math anxiety.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
That became such a bad thing for me.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I flunked algebra third quarter of high school and then
had to go to a hypnotist to try to relieve
my math anxiety. Wow, that's a who ordered that, Pat Kilgariff, She's.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
All about it. She's so smart in there.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
And I was like, you know, Pat, and I know
that this is not I can have math anxiety for
the rest of my life and it's never truly going
to impact me.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Well, at least the nuns didn't just smack it out
of you.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Like.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
At least Patt was like, let me do something that
might actually work.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Let me step in and make up some dumb bullshit.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
You know what I think works? Acupuncture? Which it actually does.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
That does work. Yeah, that's ancient, ancient.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I love those ancient ones where it's like, who who here?
Our country's been around for what is it, one hundred
and fifty years? Who here is arguing ancient five thousand
year old medical knowledge? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
How dare you're smarter than five thousand years old? Don't think?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Oh, do you know what I'm going to do when
this pandemic is over? First thing I watch, I guess shit,
I want to let you what would you guess?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
What would you go to? Go to the Edendale Barn? Girl?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Actually, okay, that's the first one. That's number one, that's
what you said.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
The first thing.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Are you really gonna do ayahuasca? We do an internal reset.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
I think I'm gonna do ayahuasca? And okay, this is
a great segue into the podcast that you have fucking
set me down a rabbit hole on.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Steven, right down the date and time and date, because
Georgia has taken one of my recommendations right to.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Heart immediately, this podcast called this is actually happening. You
text me yesterday about it, and I've listened to three
episodes already, and last night I was listening to an episode.
It's basically people's true stories of just bananas, things that's
happened to them in their lives.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
And usually extremely negative, because that's the most satisfying story
to hear. Somebody's like, I love the latter, and then
and how their lives.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I mean, it's beautiful and it's just incredible. There's no narrator,
it's just the person telling their story the beautiful way.
And so the one I listened to is called what
If You Enter the Void? And it's this incredible if
you I mean, it's I've never heard depression explained so
beautifully and succinctly. And he goes and does ayahuasca after

(04:16):
a lifetime of depression. And I haven't gotten to the
end yet, so I don't know if it works or not,
but I feel like it must, so I'm just gonna
do it.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, I totally want to do ayahuasca.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
That's amazing. Well wait, so that's split up. That's two conversations,
So let's pause on the pause on Alwaska because I
definitely want to come back to that. But my the
first one, So I am I asked Jay actually to
help me find this because I'm off Twitter, but then
also I'm the worst conversation.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Put a pin in that one. Okay, that's right, this
is going to go back.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Steven start making a Homeland red thread map for this conversation.
But oh so I tried to ask because somebody actually
this was off of the radio rental recommendation of the
last podcast I recommend it. I believe it was the
most recent. Somebody wrote in and said, if you like that,
you're going to love this is actually happening, and I

(05:07):
really want to give you credit if you would write
back in, if you'd email in, that would actually help.
And don't lie, n don't try to We Canada. We
can just steal valor.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Oh so the first one I listened to because I
really think the idea that people and I wouldn't say
that every person telling their story and this is a
quote unquote victim in some way, but there are people
who have these experiences that when you hear about them,
it's so extreme.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
It's so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
There's a guy who talks about how he was homeless,
Him and his father were homeless, and he was also
trans and then he gets put into a shelter because
he was still under age when this was happening.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
And then someone.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
At the shelter whose name I want, puts them in
touch with people who live up in the Bay Area
who are also trans people, and it's like, you're welcome
to come and meet with us for super cheap and
then those people turn out to be living It's what
if you get pulled into an alternate reality or it's
called something like that, And it's one of the most upsetting.

(06:17):
But the narrator is so incredibly strong and of his
own mind the entire story, Yeah, where he's basically going
I just was agreeing to get so I could get
out of the house.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
I just kept going with it.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
And they were literally like everything is the government is
watching you, and you're being manipulated and you have to
do what we say and all this stuff that, Like
I feel like a less strong person would have been
so vulnerable to this concept of two people doing it
to him pointing out all this stuff and like that's
how you know you're not safe and all this stuff,
and he just like got super cheap rent in the

(06:52):
city while he tried to get his degree. It's an
incredible story that he got himself out of.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't remember where I saw this, but some we posted,
Oh in the I shouldn't be reading comments.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
This is part of the social media thing.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
But someone commented and one of the episodes that we
posted recently that was live, she said, I didn't realize
that the cheap rent I got from this when I
was in Wait. I didn't realize that the cheap rent
I got when I lived in this random place was
because I moved into a cult until Karen covered the
cult at a live show and I was sitting in

(07:27):
the audience. She also needs to write to us. She's like,
I was sitting in the audience and realized that I
used to live in like a cult compound because the
rent was cheap and I.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Didn't know, my god, oh my god. Wait?

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Is that the way I was going to say it
was like it was the yellow Yellow Deli or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I think it's that.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, it's a study and empathy this this show. There's
one that I just listened to that's a kind of
a newer one that I text you, Holy shit, but
is what if someone you love committed a monstrous crime?

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Did you listen to that one.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
No, Oh my god, oh my god, I will for sure.
It's unbelievable. I just can't wait to like fucking listen
to all of them.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
There's so many good ones, but the the one, the
first one I cite you.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Is called what If It Had Happened in Broad Daylight.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
About a woman who was attacked in at the bank,
and it's the craziest, creepiest story, but the way she
talks about how she doesn't like being treated as the
as the quote unquote victim of this crime was really
eye opening and really important to hear. That's why I
always love first hand account of the person that actually

(08:38):
went through it, because they get to dictate.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
How, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Like she is talking about when it first happened, you know,
she's they bring her into the back, she's her neck
gets sliced with a knife, and everyone around her is
freaking out, and she's like, it must have been like
the adrenaline or being in shock. But she didn't think
anything bad happened. She just knew it was kind of weird,
and she got moved away and it wasn't until she

(09:03):
saw the videotape played back for her by the cops
that she goes. I felt so bad for that girl
on the tape. It was completely like it wasn't it
didn't happen to her.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
It's a lesson of like how PTSD.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And how adrenaline works, and how you know what your
brain does in a panic situation, fact and how.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
People react to trauma or tragedy or violent situations that
are not the ones that happened to, but the ones
that were there. It's almost like the witnesses her version
of the story, I shouldn't none of this.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Is like, you know, the finished it as a fact.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
It was fascinating to hear someone's take on what that
was like to be the subject of it when that
is not how she felt, and she it would really
bug her. She was treated as this person that had
happened to and that because the person who perpetrated the
crime they believed she had the person had schizophrenia, so

(10:09):
she couldn't get answers.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
She was like, I just wanted to know what I did.
There is no answer caused it. There's no good explanation
as to why that happened. It's right, I mean, yeah,
it's an incrediblist. It's an incredible show. You guys should
listen to it.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
And it's a great thing to be able to hear
people discuss their like you say.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
It's like people getting to discuss the like say, most
painful or most difficult or worst thing that's happened to them,
being able to tell you they're a complete person, they're
a whole. They didn't get they didn't get smashed apart
by it. They're completely there saying and this is what
I learned. There's one woman who talks about some oh

(10:50):
it was her mom joined a cult, and she kept saying,
I want to I don't want to judge it, I
want to understand it. I want to know because I
know I didn't have the life she had or the
experience she had.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Which like made me go like whoa like?

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I take so much comfort in judging other people's actions.
It makes me feel more grounded to judge when actually
you never know the full story, and it's it's like
a weird fing.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
For what you would do in their situation.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
You can, you know, we can fucking talk about what
we would do in someone else's you know, shoes, tell
the fucking cows come home. But until you're really there,
you have no idea because there's so many other things
at play, including your fucking you know, fight.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Flight or fight.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Mode, which actually pertains to this because and almost brings
would you find a segue in a weird favorite thing, Yes,
in a weird fucking circular thing. So we we, you
and I together at the same time, took social media
off of our phones because we.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Thought you're gonna say we took some drug together. I
was like, what, Oh, I didn't tell you. I put
kenne meine in your coffee.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Sh We took social media off our phones together because
we both realized it was affecting us in a very
negative way. Yes, And so I was talking to my
therapist unrelated about fight flight or freeze freeze, Yes, And
so I was looking up the you know, who am
I What do I do? And actually in it said,

(12:17):
in the context of the freeze part, which I think
I do is mindless scrolling to get yourself. You just
can't move forward, and so you find something that's comforting,
like taking a nap or scrolling. And so I think,
maybe we're so panicked and have so much anxiety about
the world. What's going on today? Our fucking business life, right,

(12:37):
now is you know, for the past four years has
been bananas, and so this mindless scrolling, this commenting, this
getting reading comments and all of that is a really
great way to avoid the you know, avoid that the
stress that's actually happening that we just can't deal with
right now.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Well, it's almost like you get to pick your own stress.
So it's a control issue because it's like it's like saying, oh,
this is what I'm upset about.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Stress.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, I can be mad at this person and
blame yeah, yeah, totally. Also, Uh, that reminds me because
there's a similar thing I was saying. It was someone
we know made a joke about me being perfect, a perfectionist,
and so I actually looked up what because I was like,

(13:27):
I am not nowhere near being perfect.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
And then I looked it up and I.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Have it so fucking bad, Like what because I always
picture like a perfectionist is like Reese witherspace, it's.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Right, And that's not it at all.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
It's just a trying that makes it happen.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
It's the it's it's unrealistic expectations and goals. And then
the procrastination part is the sidelining yourself when you lose
all faith. And then it's like it's really fascinating, it's
it's it's so good.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I'm going to send you it was. I found an
article in.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Psychology today about it that had this really good illustration
where it was like a person here the goal set
is a road that goes straight up, and then it's
like finish line straight up, and there's someone on the
side of the road looking at their phone on one
side and on.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
The other side of the road cutting the grass. Was sysic.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
It's like perfectly tripping, like I'm a perfectionist, but that's
not their goal at all. That makes total sense.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
There's all these.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Things about it that I just was like, oh my god,
that's what that's what it is. And then you just
are always ruining your own good time with those kind
of like it'll never work, I'll never make it, I'll
never be so and so. So it's like comparing yourself
to people all all the shit everyone does.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, you know what the fourth f is that my
therapist just told me about it. I had never heard of.
So you have fight, flight, free freeze, or fawn like fawning,
like telling someone how beautiful they look and being like, oh,
on your own, you know, like to make them like you.
That's the way, Like you the tiger's about to attack you,
and you're like, you look amazing today, you're such you're

(15:08):
the fucking queen of the jungle, and wow, you look great,
and like that's the person's way to like make everyone
like them so that they, uh don't get attacked.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Wow, I know I feel like I do well.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
And also in my in the culture I grew up in,
that's how you know who to attack because that's clearly
fakeh and it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
It's clearly for me, and it doesn't. It's it's disingenuous.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
It's like it's like somebody going just putting in the
vote of I'm scared of you, which is like, great,
I'll take.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Care of that.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Remember, in one of our first which is perfectionistic of
me to be, I can't accept compliments because I know
you're I know you're lying.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
And in Hollywood at my old apartment during one of
our first fucking couple months, and you sat down to
like talk to me about a serious issue and I
was like, okay, yeah, totally. By the way, your hair
looks amazing, and you were like, don't talk about my hair.
This is serious, like you specifically called me out on it,
and yeah, whoa, I fucking totally do that where it's like,

(16:07):
let me let me diffuse the situation real quick. Now
you should like me go ahead. Yeah, which is so manipulative.
It's so manipulative.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
But this was before and look, this was before I
understood your background, where direct like we're going to sit
down and face to face discuss a thing is your
worst nightmare, and that is like that's all I know of,
Like no, no, no, we have to solve this right now.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
We're going to talk it out. We're going to put
it on the table.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
And like I was setting you up to be panic
like that approach was yours.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
And it didn't work. It didn't I want my diffusion
didn't wor oh my.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
God, no, because because I was like, please don't diffuse
while I have to tell you, it's hard enough to
be saying like whatever fucking a thing that I bet
you if Stephen was able to go like you know
what it was about, we'd both start laughing.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Because it's he has every argument on fucking.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
On his computer.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's so many, Oh, Steven, how many times do you
have to step.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Out of the not for the early days. That's what
his books to be about.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
The first time I was asked to step out of
the apartment and walk around Georgia's neighborhood was but I
didn't stop with recording, So don't worry.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
What else? Ayahuasca?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Wait a second, are you in the ayahuasca category? Are
you fine throwing up in front of others? Because that's
something that blows my mind.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I'm a I'm a I'm a lifelong recovering bellimic.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I can fucking do this. Tell the cow like, I
can do it anywhere.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I have a uh yes, I could do it anywhere.
I have no fucking issue with it.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
It's okay. Some of my best friends have seen me vomit.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's like, just not a thing for like, and by
the way, get help for your eating disorders. It's I'm
making a joke of it, but it's serious.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yes for sure.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
No, it's not good and also can it actually can
do serious damage, especially to your heart.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yoursoft everything. It's not good, But I am I am
an amy. I have an amiable gag reflex. I'm like
good at this thing. It sucks to be really good
at something that you just can't actually use, you know,
but there's upsets like ayahuasca.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I was being dirty. Oh but.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Mark, Stephen, Mark, I love it. Stam's shaking his head.
He's like, I'm not taking that out, Stephen. It's like,
where what's happened to this show? What's happened to you?
COVID nineteen ayahuasca? Oh, but I think I saw a
good special about you.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
They were using ayahuasca to help treat PTSD for soldiers
coming back from war and really having a hard time,
and that really they see a lot of a lot
of real change with that, So I think that could
be amazing.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
I think so too, And of course you might search
and take it very seriously, but I'm right.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
And there's one thousand stand up comedians of who have
slowly been transitioning into like iyahuasca shams because they're so
into it.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, so I'm gonna get me and uh Mark Maron,
maybe we'll just take a fucking trip to the Oh
that'd be nice. I know he doesn't he doesn't know me,
so that would be weird.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Well, that's how you get to know people's fucking rick.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Nothing like vomiting in front of someone to really get
to know them.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
And then you're like, I'm sorry, it's great talking to you,
but I can see the devil right now, So I
have to go deal with that.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I'm gonna hard to go without Evince because he's
not he's not. I have I'm more experimental than he is.
And I heard that you see a snake like a
lot of people see a snake, and he's terrified of snakes,
like to a point that's incredible, Like a snake comes
on TV for a second and he loses it.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Oh, they're pretty bad. Yeah, I'm kind of on his
side with snakes. I don't disagree. It's so slimy.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh I wanted to talk up Ooh, let's see, I
had a thing.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Hold on a second.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean, how are you doing though being off social
media in general? Do you feel an improvement?

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I feel more more focused.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah. The first couple of days I realized that every
single thing that happens in my life and around the
house and with the cats is me is. My brain
goes to, I should post that this will be a
good post. What do I post about this? That's all
I think about. Yes, and the mindless scrolling of course,
you know, I'm still kind of doing it on other sites,

(20:32):
like you know, news sites, but it's.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's so sad every time I like enter CNN dot
com into my phone, where I'm just like, I just
want to know what's going on. But it's like this
real kind of rickety grandpa version of getting the news.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, it's so hilarious.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
It's like it feels like social media, and it feels
like an intricate not that I'm tied up in. That
doesn't feel good. I can't, you know, move well, and
I can't. I can't thrive when I'm tied up that way.
But at the same time, it's it's comforting and I've
known it for so long and it's and it's been

(21:12):
there for me in so many ways and is part
of my like a self esteem boost for me that
I sure need. But at this but I'm also looking
for the negative stuff and it affects me in a
way that is really negative.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
And it's mind blowing how how the positive stuff you
you so easily take it for granted when people are
telling you beautiful, wonderful things, and then the negative stuff
can be just passing. You can tell it's just someone
trying to get attention and it'll like stick in your brain, right,
And that's the part that And it's not like I

(21:46):
honestly don't experience that much of.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
That because I just immediately mute everybody. I literally if somebody.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
You're better at that, then that's the thing is I
just am.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Like, you just disqualified yourself. You just qualified yourself, So
you don't get to talk to me if you're going
to use that tone or like honey, like anything that
starts like that, I'm like, sorry, I'm so much older
than you.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Right, goodbye.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Well, there's just no way that I can do the
work that I'm I'm doing with my therapist, which is
trying to get past old like bullying and you know,
self esteem issues. If I keep reading comments, there's no
way I can't both work on those issues that I
have and let people get to me that way, which

(22:29):
you know at the same.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Time, it just doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
So I'm picking, well, I'm picking my own fucking psyche
and working on that instead of social media.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Good great, that's the that's so much better.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
And then you want to go to I have a
can of wine at two thirty in the afternoon right now.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
But it's pandemics. What are you supposed to do? It's
a pandemic.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
So I'm I mean, we're doing this, you have to
have some vices. We're doing this experiment of just being
a little bit more off the grid in the middle
of the most isolated time in our life, which is
very difficult. I mean, my thing is I realized just
Twitter is a social thing for me that isn't real.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
So I keep going.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
To it, like, oh, I just want to conentunk to
some people, and it's like, then text your friends, right, don't.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I want to stay in the loop. It is a
totally different thing for comedians though, I'm like, you know,
I do, but but it.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Is the you're so true, You're so right about the
dopamine hit of interaction, which is good and fine if
you can keep the brackets around it. But if it
then begins to spill in because someone decided to be
kind of like, you know, bitchy or critical to you,
it's like, you don't know who that is the idea
that you just immediately take their opinions straight to heart

(23:42):
and this matters, and now I'm going to feel bad
about it. Is like it's a very sped up reaction
and we don't know that that's what we're doing, but
that's what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
We're going, whoever, you are, a random.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Person, you get to say, and you get a say
in my life and how I feel about.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
You got to say.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
And it's like, sorry, let's not do that to ourselves.
Let's keep that circle real small of people who get
a set.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
That's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
As my therapist told me, it like in Year one
where she goes, how many like close friends would you
say you have? And I'm like, I don't know thirty
and she goes, oh, that's not a thing. That's not true,
And I was just like, oh, you're right for oh Cloak,
keep it tight.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, your sister has agreed.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Your sister Laura has agreed too, and Steven does this too.
When there's a cute thing on Instagram that pertains to us,
she's agreed to send it to me. Yeah. I feel
like we should give her my favorite murder Instagram password
and just be like.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Post whatever you want anytime.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
That's not well, they're coming to visit, so maybe we'll
make an arrangement. Oh my god, what if Nora was
our social media manager? Your thirteen year old niece. She's
so TikTok based though. That's the only thing it's all about.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
We TikTok presence great. We need to eat the youth injection.
We're old people talking to young people. We need to
be managed by even younger people.

Speaker 5 (25:07):
There.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I think there is like a I don't know TikTok
at all, but we've been tagged in a few things
where like the gal will say stay sexy and don't
get murdered. I don't know. They play us saying stay sexy,
don't get murdered and then mimic it.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I don't know that that's a tiktoks. A laugh, I
can see Steven and Zuman's laugh. They lip sync. Stephen,
do you have something to say about TikTok?

Speaker 4 (25:30):
I'm too old for TikTok. That's how the only thing,
the only thing I follow on TikTok is a woman
who does coupon ing in Nashville, and she does cat
rescue stuff, but she also does shows like all the
extreme coupons, like CDs like you Saved four hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
I want to get.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Her name is Laura, but like it's just about all
the ways that you can like, and she donates a
lot of the stuff that she gets on coupons to shelters,
like women's shelters and things like that. She's doing great work.
It's it's really fun. It's very satisfying.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Love couponing, man, I love coople love that.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Laura bell X at Laura bell X on TikTok and
that's bell b E l l e x Laura bell.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
X beautiful love it. There, we are here, we are
We got our TikTok in. Yeah, we'll have Nora walk
us through it.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
You invents, you come over and we can sit out,
have dinner on the patio, and then we'll get we'll.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Set is your dad coming to her? Can you make
one of his well done burgers for us? Yes? Don't
tell them I fucking said that.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, the problem is they're either completely done or you
are eating red meat off of the styrofoam white thing.
I mean he's there in the past, he's served burgers
that were just like we everyone was pretending to eat
them and then then had to put them down after.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's like they were so raw. It's like to an
episode of Top Chef.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
It's insanity.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
We're going to make something that's not that's like tacos
where you just know exactly exactly what the cooking is.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
But yeah, we'll get that all figured out.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Look, I'm definitely not going to be off social media forever,
but I think it's so good at a time like
this to watch yourself and actually just be in the
world like I had to. As you know, I dropped
my I dropped my phone the other God, listen to.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
This, you guys. This is the most la thing you've
ever fucking heard. This is an asshole story, and I
do apology. Jay text me the other morning.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Our assistant so La was like, hey, I'm sure she
told you, but Karen dropped her phone in the pool,
so we have to cancel this meeting or whatever.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
And I was like, she fucking didn't tell me. Actually
I was the second it happened.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
I was like, yay, I don't have to do any
calls for like days.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
I was in my mind.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I was like, you just bought yourself a week of freedom.
And then I'm like, what am I talking about?

Speaker 4 (27:56):
It?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Like I can do everything on my laptop? No, what
am I? So I left my house and went to, uh, the.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Phone place that's not the I phone store or the
Apple store, because they're all closed to my local phone place.
And we're a woman who worked there. The I guess
what it would be sherman oaks at and T store. Cindy,
what's up?

Speaker 3 (28:22):
You kill me?

Speaker 2 (28:23):
They were the greatest. Okay, this woman, I loved her
so much.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Went in. Of course, there's like dots everywhere where you
should stand. Everything.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Now, all those tables in those like phone stores have
the plastic divider on them. I mean all this stuff.
It's so trippy, dystopian. Yeah, it's crazy. And we're both
wearing masks, and uh so she's I'm like, I just
need to replace this phone.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
What's the latest one? I'll have the one you're having.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I thank god I have insurance, pools count you know whatever.
So she's just doing it real fast, not asking me
all those extra questions. She just knew we needed to
both get out of there quickly. And uh so then
I go over, she goes back to get it. I
go over to like look for what my new phone
case will because of course it's a different size. Yeah,
they all know everything.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
And a woman.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Comes in who's wearing a mask but walks straight in
and starts telling everybody what to do, and Cindy's like, ma'am,
you could you please stand over there? You have we
have we already have three customers in the store. Them
to like just like I need to pay.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
My bill, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, but but Cindy's like, oh, you need to stand
over here because we already have the maximum people in
the store. And this woman, it was like she was
waiting for her cue. Oh did so I'm sorry, did
someone in this store die? Is that why you're being
this dramatic? And she started going off and I looked
I looked at her. I was just like I almost

(29:46):
started yelling. I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
This is total crap. And Cindy handled it beautifully. She
was just like, ma'am, I'm sorry, I understand your frustration.
This is for the safety of others. She handled it
like the woman immediately realized there was going to be
no attention got and there's going to be no no
one was going to join her in her fight, and
she just went and stood. She handle it so perfectly.

(30:09):
So you know how they usually say, can I just
say what a pitio is that?

Speaker 1 (30:12):
She because you were wearing a mask, didn't get the
full effect of Karen's.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Fuck you face.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
But at the same time, you were able to fucking
give it with just your eye showing and eyebrows.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Those eyebrows are pretty the eyebrows do it.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
They're plucked specifically for making people freeze in their trucks.
But I actually started yelling when she started yelling. I
immediately started yelling because that's double that's what we do.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Oh are you yelling? I'm more mad. Immediately they're like
her hype man.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
He's like, yeah, but I'm against her and the anti
anti hype man.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
But I realized I was like, do not escalate this.
Sydney's got it. You don't know, blah blah blah whatever.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
When they said, they sent me the thing of will
you fill out a survey, and normally I completely ignore those,
even if I've gotten great service. I filled out that
survey and wrote texted a paragraph this long about how
well Cindy handled herself and this situation and completely diffused it.
And if AT and T is going to have people
in stores, they need to pay them more because they're

(31:17):
doing more than the average job. Because now they have
to manage and mitigate people who are anti maskers coming
in and screaming at everybody, and that's on them. And
because I had a long conversation with Cindy about it
where I was like, she goes, we would have like
a weird thing happened in the store maybe once a
week before, she goes, now it's five times day, and

(31:37):
because but antigonizers. But the reason she understood, she goes,
it's easy for me to calm them down and to
stay neutral because I know your phone is your lifeline.
And if you're in a place where the government hasn't
sent you a check and you don't have anything, and
all of a sudden you can't make your payment and
you're getting your phone cut off, then you're cut off.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
And so this is all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
The people in these stores, this is they're on the
front line of people who are being affected by the
mismanagement of this entire situation. Oh my god, so Cindy,
So I wrote to I wrote to my in my
report in my review where I was like, please pay
these people more because they're protecting your brand, so you
need to protect that.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I mean, she can't imagine what it's like right now.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
It's horrible Georgia.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Ten years ago, I would have been fucked. There's no
moving home because there's no fucking home. There's no not
paying rent. You'll get kicked out. You're in your fucking
your roommates over.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
It's like, I don't know what I would I don't
know what I would do if I were Karen.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Karen five years ago would have been literally pack up
the dogs and move back to my dad's house because
and look, people are doing that, and there is no
shame in collecting yourself in a situation like this. This
is like unprecedented insanity. If you have to, if you're
lucky enough to have a family to go home to,
just say thank you and do those dishes and feel

(33:04):
not one ounce of shame because this.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Is crazy, it's unprecedented, and it's also it's also unmanaged.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
This is this is beyond but that Cindy's of the world.
Please think when you're out and about and you're going
to places that have reopened, please be ultra careful, concerned,
polite and defensive of the people who are now also
essential workers, but they're working at you know, at a
phone store, like please please be protective and careful and

(33:36):
know that those people are being deeply affected by the
stresses of others and the people who can't manage themselves.
And all of a sudden, you're like, I'm just here working,
trying to sell iPhones, and suddenly I have to I'm
a crisis manager, dude.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Cindy, Sindy, Cindy.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Props props to Cindy. Fuck all right, sorry that was
were talking about the book.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
God damn.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
We haven't even gone to exactly write news yet.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Literally when I sat down, I was like, I have
nothing me too.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I actually never.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Wrote two things down that I could talk about and
we haven't talked about them.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's like, what you got? What you got?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Well?

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I had the beautiful and amazing actor Dan Levy. He
posted this Instagram recently that I saw before I took
Instagram off.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Wait, can I stay?

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Is it about taking that class?

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I love him so much he is.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
There's a there's a free course being offered through the
University of Alberta called Indigenous Canada. It's a twelve lesson
course that explores Indigenous histories and contemporary issues from an
Indigenous perspective, and he is not only it starts this week.
It's like twelve courses. He'll be doing hosting a weekly
discussion with professors for twelve weeks and they're all going

(34:55):
to learn together. I have it pulled up right here.
It's it looks awesome. It's I mean, it's so brilliant. Yeah,
I love that Dan Levy's getting involved. He's incredible.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Well because also it's like, what are you doing with
your time? Like, you know, how many times can I
rewatch the same show that I already like? And when
I saw that, that was before I left Twitter. I
saw that, I was like, that genius bastard, he's done
it again, because it's like, learn about something you should know,
right that very few of our educations provided for us

(35:26):
in a meaningful way.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
And the other thing was that the Anchorage Daily News
I saw this on Reddit.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
They on the cover of their newspaper.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
It's a huge, blank newspaper page with a tiny little
paragraph at the bottom that says, over the past month,
we've presented the stories of women and men choosing to
speak out about their experiences with sexual violence in Alaska.
Talking about rape and sexual assault is difficult. Many survivors
may not be in a position to do so. Right now.

(35:58):
This space, which is the blank space, is dedicated to
those not ready to share. We're leaving this open for you,
Oh my god, so you can write and you know
how important it is to even write a letter that
you don't send. They left the entire front page open
for for survivors of sexual assault to write their experience

(36:19):
and just keep it beautiful.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I know, brilliant. Who is that editor in chief? I mean, hi, five,
I've anchorage, the anchorage.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
What is the news?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Averridge Daily News.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Wow? Congratulations, it's what a beautiful gesture.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I know, all right, that was what I had. Oh
and then we have.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
We have we're going to make some face masks. You guys.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
We made face masks. You guys, says we made face masks.
They say stay sexy and don't get no, they just
say stay sexy. They stay say and then they have
my favorite murder logo on them, so you can everyone
you walk by, you're going to be giving them a message.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
If you buy one, all proceeds are going to go
to Feeding America dot org.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
That's right, and so Feeding America their mission statement is
our mission is to feed America is hungry through a
nationwide network of member food banks and engage our country
in the fight to end hunger. So it's it's pretty cool.
It's been around since nineteen seventy nine. We're really into it.
So any any face mask you buy from us at
my favorite murder dot com in the store, all the

(37:21):
proceeds are going to go do them.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
To Feeding America, right which is super important right now,
as we were just talking about, this is a very intense,
very difficult time for so many people, and this is
just one way we all have. Like, you know, I
have about four different masks. One was one my sister
bought for me. One I got a package of like
the disposable ones. But so you know, you can have

(37:43):
one for your car, you can have one for your house,
answering the front door whatever.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Our house is littered with masks.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
It's really ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Vince keeps buying like different you know, he wants to
support the businesses you like, so he keeps buying masks
from different places. And then we have the big thing
of the disposable ones and it's just you know, love it,
love it the coolest.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, So get in there and so you can protect
yourself and support a very good cause and help help
out hungry people in America.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
And then real quick to you want to do exactly
right corner.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
This week, so good, So Monday Murder Squad covered the
case of the Taco bell strangler, who's named Henry Lewis Wallace.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
He targeted black.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Women in Charlotte, North Carolina in the nineties, but he's
only confessed to the murders that he everyone knew he
was tied to. So Billy and Paul explore how many
other potential victims he could possibly have.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
I've never even that's I've never heard of. I've never
heard of the bell stranguler. And on Bananas, Okay, when
we were told that this was going to be a
guest on Pananas, and you know how good Scotty and
Kurt are with guests, this one fucking tops them all.
Aaron brock Hi, Oh, how's it going, legend, let's all

(39:04):
watch that tonight.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
What the movie? The movie?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Aaron Brockovic, Absolutely such a good movie. But she's an
incredible advocate. So she is on Bananas this week, please
tune in, yep.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
And then The Fall Line is releasing this week. They
release part one of their new two part series called
Identity After Death, which.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Sounds so cool.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
They have a unh lecture and FORENDS forensic anthropologist named
doctor Amy Michael who's talking about common misconceptions, the state
of forensic science, how.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Cold cases might be solved.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Like this is a person who's in it and studying
it and on the cutting edge. So I can't wait
till listen. That sounds so good. Yeah, cool, great stuff happening.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
It's all crappening? Did is that everything?

Speaker 2 (39:51):
No?

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Sorry, there is one more thing.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
So last week because the the TV shin, God damn
it the TV show.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, okay, So we talked.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
A little bit about the new HBO series Lovecraft Country
premiered and we talked about how much we loved it.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Oh god, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So and that's a Jordan Peele is one of the
producers on it. Why am I not surprised? That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah. So we got.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
This email and it says, hey, crew, I was so
excited and moved to tears to hear you both bring
up Lovecraft Country this week. I'm one of the set
decoration buyers on the show, and the entire crew puts
so much love, sweat, and tears into it, and it's
just nice to.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Say our hard work being recognized.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I think my parents sometimes imagine I'm still painting flats
for a high school play as I was spending hours
in my van traveling around Georgia to find period correct pieces.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
This isn't the cool This is my favorite thing in
the world. Okay, say it, she.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Goes, and I mean it. There's not even a single
book on any set that was published after nineteen fifty four.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Fuck that, damn.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Rad could that be? That's my like, that's if you
weren't doing what you're doing now, what would you want
to do? That's my dream job.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Right, It's the coolest And y'all were keeping me company.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
So as she was doing this, doing these buyings, she
was listening to us, which is such a great compliment.
Every Monday and Thursday, several of us would get distracted
talking about this week's episode. In my office, you could
find various SSDGM, you're in a cult, call your dad,
and other MFM merch. I even have a few people
on our crew who remembered the casket with the quote

(41:36):
suspicious substance formaldehyde that was in a minisod that came
out while we were filming. Was that one was not
on our show. I promised to.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Never buy a used casket for work, no matter what
the discount is.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Anyway, I just wanted to say on behalf of the
Lovecraft crew, or at the very least the set decorating department,
that we are happy to be friends of the fam.
Stay sexy and stay away from racist and shagoths.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Natasha amazing. Yeah, I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
I was so excited, we were so excited. So thank
you to Natasha. I'm assuming she pronounces it Natasha, but
it's n Oto s a j Yeah, Natasha, Natasha.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yeah, it's a different spelling. Please say hi to everybody, Natasha.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
And way to go.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, super congratulations but beautifully beautifully made. Sha love it,
but also so fucking creepy like the first one.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
It's all spoilers. It's the episode.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Don't don't spoil Okay, Yeah, I watch it and watch
the other one and then we'll talk about it next week.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
And really quick, I just for the comedy side, if
you're looking for something to watch. I finally, I had
been saving it because when it first came out. I
didn't watch it, even though I love Rob Delaney and
I love I love He's just truly the funniest. He's
the king of Twitter. But he's also an amazing actor
and amazing. Cam's so kind too. He fucking I knew

(43:02):
him for a little while when he lived here.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
He remembers my name when he like didn't have to,
you know what I mean, Like I was not important
to your life in any way, but he had been
like Hi, Georgia and Vince. He was just so nice.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yes, he knows his he knows his stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
So he made a show with Sharon Horgan, he's an
amazing Irish actress and comedian called Catastrophe. There's I believe,
three seasons of it, so and it is so fucking
funny and so brilliant. Two people that get together and
start a family, and that's all you need to know.
The jokes are superb, the people are so real. I

(43:41):
love it so much, and I it's I always feel
bad when you I don't watch things the second they
come out, But oftentimes.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I resist because there's always this first.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Wave of like opinion, and I want to like get
away from that and then have my own opinion and
be set and.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
You just watched it and you love it.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I just watched it literally for like seventy two hours.
I did not stop watching it because I loved it
so much.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
You know what that reminds me of? Did you watch
The Nexim Cult?

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yes you memory? Yes? Episode one? It's called The Vow.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
The Vow on HBO and so good. It made me
think of this because I thought to myself, it's on HBO,
so it's episodic every week, and I am just like
I was mad that I couldn't binge watch it.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yes, can we not do that anymore?

Speaker 1 (44:28):
All I want to do is fucking sit there for
a weekend and binge the show.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yes and mean and while you're at it, if I'm
binging a show, you don't need to put up a.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Thing that asked me.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
If I'm still watching it, stop judging me for laying
on the couch for hours.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Still that still isn't a towels? Are Karen still Karen?
And then a little pig face.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, the Vow is really good. I am the vow
is being created about.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
It the way it is setting it up.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
For a second, I was kind of like, this feels
a little bit pronexiom to me what's going on. But
it's like they're establishing it's good documentary filmmaking. They're establishing
what was good about it because there's always people got
pulled in and you can totally understand, yes, the positivity
and the it's so I love that. It's it's like

(45:19):
a learning process where I'm I was like sitting there, going,
I don't like this.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
They're basically and then I.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Went, oh, yeah, that's the whole idea of a cult
is you don't see a cult and go this is
a bunch of bullshit. You like the girl who was
talking about realizing she's in a cult at the show.
Of course, it's welcoming, it makes you feel good. It's
hitting all of.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Those those things which sorry, isn't a real like doesn't
happen in real life unless you have kids. Maybe I
think if you have kids and that's the cult.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Not according to catastrophe, No, but I mean.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
It's it's it's.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Such a good This is the way we learn about
cults so that we can learn to stay away from
or to recognize when something switches from being super helpful
and beneficial to literally controlling your life. Yeah, yeah, thank god,
there's a lot of good TV out right now these times.
All right, are you are you ready to make some

(46:15):
media that are that will also entertain people?

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Well, we're forteen, we're forty nine and fifty something seconds in,
so I feel like now's the time.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
It's time.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Just tell me like a four minute story.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Stephen, who's first?

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Karen You're first?

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Okay? Is it me?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Oh? Because the last week.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
Episode, So right, Georgia did the dungeon in the Caroline
in Charleston, and Karen, you did the Still cemetery.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Okay, the right, Okay, okay, okay, So Georgia, the story
I'm going to do for you this week, read to
you is the story of Delawares Patty Cannon, the wickedest
woman in America.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Oh don't know, okay.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
This was suggested by Anna H. She sent this suggestion
into the MFM Gmail inbox. Thank you, Anna H. I'd
never heard of her, of course. What she was she
basically ran the reverse underground railroad. She was an escaped
slave catcher in the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
There's so much of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
As I was looking it up and reading it that,
of course I've never heard of any of it historic
as fuck.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
They don't teach they don't teach it in the fucking
they don't teach.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
It, and they don't teach.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Slave patrols, slave traders, all of it. It's it's such
an ugly time and it has to be discussed.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
This should not be the only thing you know about.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
It, so please, this is this is basically an overview.
There's plenty to read about this and to look into yourself. Okay,
so I got this information. There's a Ranker article that
was written by writer named Amanda Sedlac Heavener and all
that's interesting. Article that was written by Emily Stringer, and
articles from of course Wikipedia, newspapers, dot com and the

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Dover Post, just as a quick overview. As most of
us know. And this the only thing I've ever heard
of is that the Underground Railroad itself the original which
was the secret network of safe houses, hiding places, and
travel routes.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
That led escaped slaves out of slave.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Owning states and to free states and up to Canada.
So of course it is an incredibly secretive system. So
there's not much about like when it was established, or
who did it first, or anything like that that was
all very secret. But what we do know is that
it was set up by freemen who had been escaped

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slaves themselves black and white abolitionists at the time, many
of whom were Quakers. So the Quaker religion is very active.
They're very active in helping slaves, as also members of
the African Methodist Episcopal Church, which was established in eighteen sixteen.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
That they did tons of.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Work on the underground railroad and it basically just provided
it was. It was very loose. Some of the some
of the network, some of the spots in the network.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Knew about each other, but it was.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Very loosely organized. It wasn't like, oh, if you make
it to this place, you know exactly how go to
that place?

Speaker 3 (49:29):
We did was the setup.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Right now, It's the same thing with like you know,
fucking Jewish people in Germany during World War Two. The
more everyone knows about it, the more you can tell
the authorities when you get caught, so right better, the.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
More danger exactly exactly, you had to keep it small.
You had to keep it very very secretive, and especially
at this period of time, which would be like mid
seventeen late seventeen hundreds into the eighteen hundreds because America
was founded and established with slavery simultaneously. So the slave
codes that came to America, they came with the slave

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owners in America. They were just it was just kind
of there weren't the laws that were enacted.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
It was kind of like.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
What had been established in either France or Spain or England,
and there there weren't any.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Laws set up in any meaningful way.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Essentially, across the board, a slave owner was legally allowed
to beat, to rape, in some cases, to kill his
property quote unquote, these human beings at will.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
And so essentially there.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Were human beings that were bought into the servitude and
then treated so poorly, obviously backbreaking work, in humane living conditions.
I mean, so escaping to the Northern Free States was
obviously huge, and they had the slave owners made it

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a very very scary thing to try to do, right, and.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
So whoever tried it and got caught exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
And get these slave patrols, people that would just go
out at night, hired for money to try to catch
people who are trying to escape slavery. So there's I
read this article a couple of months ago and it
had this quote in it that I remembered, and it
was from There's a black composer named George Walker who

(51:26):
was the first black composer to win a Pulitzer for music.
He wanted in nineteen ninety six, and yeah, and he's
he died in twenty eighteen. But he was the grandson
of a slave. And when his grandmother, of course, never
talked about it, and when he finally had the courage
to ask her, what was it like, the only thing

(51:48):
she said to him was they did everything except eat us.
So okay, So I'm just giving the overview of this setup.
Definitely look into all of that slave patrols, all of that.
It's so creepy, horrifying, and it basically was the birth

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of what is happening in this country right now. In
about eighteen twenty, there's a woman by the name of
Patty Cannon and she tends bar at her tavern in
Johnson's Crossroad, which is in a town in Delaware that's
situated right on the Delaware Maryland border, and so it
sits right on the Mason Dixon line. So slave traders

(52:31):
would often stop at Patty's tavern as they were traveling
to and from the slave states.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
In the Freed States.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
So tonight, Patty waits on a slave trader who makes
the terrible mistake of flashing a huge wad of cash
that he has, and so she invites him to have
dinner in her nearby home, and he says yes. They
have dinner with her son in law, Joe Johnson, and
Joe's brother, Ebenezer. If you yeah, if you just want

(53:01):
a creepy white guy named Ebb, what's up, Ebb Ebenezer.
So the slave trader seated at the dining room table,
and Patty excuses herself to go outside to hoe her flowers.
She says, that's the excuse she uses, and from the garden,
which sits right below the dining room window, Patty has

(53:23):
a clear sight of this slave trader's back, pulls out
a gun, shoots him from behind, and kills him. Takes
his money, obviously. Then Patty, Joe, and Ebenezer hack his
body into pieces, wrap him in the bloody tablecloth, stuff
him into a blue chest three feet wide, and bury

(53:44):
him out behind her house. And this is standard fare
for Patty Cannon. This is this is life at her tavern.
So she was born Martha Patricia Hanley there. There's some
people say her first name was Lucretia, but they think
that that's just a rumor that stemmed from Lucretia Borgia,
who is the Italian noblewoman who was famous for poisoning people,

(54:07):
so they think that just kind of get tacked on
to her. But records of her early life aren't exact.
She was believed to be born in seventeen sixty in Montreal.
Her father was a British nobleman turned bad boy who
defied his parents and married a barmaid. So her father's
parents disowned him and they fled to Montreal. They have

(54:31):
Patty and three other daughters, and so Patty's father supports
the family by smuggling and other crimes, so she's basically
born into a life of crime. It's very common for her. Basically,
her father gets into a fight with someone who threatens
to turn him into the local police, so he kills
the snitch with an axe. He's caught in the act,
he's arrested and he's hanged for murder. So Patty's mom

(54:56):
is left to support the family on her own, so
she forces Patty and her sister into sex work as well,
and then she tries to marry her daughters off so
she doesn't have to take care of them anymore. So
around seventeen seventy six, when she's sixteen years old, Patty
marries a man named Jesse Cannon, visiting Montreal from Delaware
where he is a farmer.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
So she ends up.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
She marries him and moves back to Delaware with him,
and they moved to a town called Johnson's Crossroads which
is now Resilience, Delaware, which is right on the Delaware
Maryland border. So Johnson's Crossroad sits in the del Marva Peninsula,
so that's right along the border. There are three separate counties, Caroline, Dorchester,

(55:39):
and Sussex, and they all meet together right in this
one spot. So Patty and Jesse have two kids, Jesse
Junior and a girl named Mary. So she works as
a barmaid while Jesse farms, and eventually she wants more money,
so she tries to add sex work back into her rotation.
But she even like her idea. She'll start be a

(56:01):
sex worker again and then eventually become a madam and
run her own brothel. But she's such an unpleasant person.
She has such a shit personality that most of her
potential johns find her attitude off putting.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
They're like, could you lower your voice?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
So the brothel idea never pans out because she just
isn't very nice. This was the description of Patty Cannon
from the Dover Post quote descriptions of Canon, all written
many years after her death. Painter is a rather fearsome person.
She was quote massive of bosom massive elsewhere. According to

(56:44):
nineteen oh seven newspaper article and Amazonian Paul Bunyan, who
personally hogtied some of her kidnap victims, she was and
then it says she was more or less robust, had
a wealth of black hair, and her face, while showing
the effects of her passions and dissipations, was more or
less good to look upon. She was a hottie, but

(57:06):
our attitude was poor, So sorry, no sex work for you. Instead,
she leans on her bartending skills and opens a tavern
around seventeen eighty four, when she's twenty four years old,
her own tavern, so that she basically instead of the brothel,
she just has like middle age back then, essentially really

(57:27):
was she was scheduled to die within ten years. Okay,
so soon after she opens this tavern, her husband, Jesse
Cannon Senior, dies under mysterious circumstances, so Patty's left a
fen for herself and her kids. So sometime in the
early eighteen hundreds, her daughter Mary Cannon marries a man

(57:48):
named Henry Brereton. Henry is a blacksmith, but he's gotten
into the illegal slave trading game. So what happened was basically,
in they passed along in eighteen oh seven, which came
into effect in January first of eighteen o eight. That
was the Act Prohibiting Importation of slaves, So essentially they

(58:09):
made it illegal to import any more slaves into America,
and it's supposed to limit the slave population and end
international slave trading. But what happens is because slavery is
still legally in the United States, it then leads to
arise in the underground slave trading illegal slave trading market,

(58:30):
and that they call that the reversed underground railroad. So basically,
now plantation owners are willing to pay more for slaves,
so making basically, when if slaves ran away, it was
you couldn't just go buy more, so they would pay
people to go find them, bring them back, or just

(58:54):
buy an illegally.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yeah, it's such a sensitive thing to talk about.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
We're talking about people. It's so crazy. So what ends
up happening is with the illegal slave trade. These illegal
slave traders go to free states and kidnap free black
people off of the street. Fuck man, whether they are
ex slaves, whether they were born free in those free states, whatever,
they're kidnapping and getting them to boats and shipping them

(59:19):
back down to the slave states.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Super dark, really creepy.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
So essentially, in eighteen eleven, Henry teens up with the
Cannons to kidnap free black people and sell them back
into the slave trade. So Henry, Patty and other accomplices
they would like get other people help them out. They
joined Joseph Griffith and develop a system so the guys
find accomplices. They troll the waterfronts in a ferry looking

(59:46):
for free black men, women, and especially children, and then
they kidnap them through force or through trickery. Oftentimes they
would promise them work. Basically kidnap them in high them.
Patty had built in the attic of her tavern. She
built this horrible jail so she could keep people there.

(01:00:09):
She abused them, she tortured them. They were horrible conditions,
and essentially they would while they would stay up there
while she was making arrangements with these slave traders, so
she was making money. They would make the exchange and
then send the victims back down South. So one way
they would do this when they would end up tricking

(01:00:32):
black people is Patty owned a slave herself, who's just
a boy named Cyrus James. She bought him when he
was seven years old, so she would make and her
gang would force Cyrus to trick people into boarding their
faery by saying, oh, you are you looking for work? Here,
come with me. I'm going to take you to a place.

(01:00:53):
So of course they would trust a child, a black child,
when they weren't kidnapping free black people. And her gang
are also making counterfeit money, and they're also robbing the
tavern patrons, the rich tavern patrons, so they were just
they were just basically or an organized crime syndicate all
at this tavern. So in eighteen eleven, Henry gets caught

(01:01:16):
during an attempted capture in Georgetown, Delaware. He's given a
prison sentence for his crimes, but within a year he escapes.
He gets back to Patty's tavern and there he Patty
and Joseph Griffith pick up right back where.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
They left off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
And then one day in the spring of eighteen thirteen,
they devise a plan to rob a slave trader who
frequents the tavern named Rigel. They get him drunk, and
then as he's leaving for the night, they ambush his
carriage and they rob him, but he fights back, and
in the midst of that fight, Rigel gets shot and killed.
So Henry and Joseph are captured and found guilty of

(01:01:55):
Rigel's murder and they're sentenced to death, and at noon
on April theenth, eighteen thirteen, they're both hanged. So now
Patty's in charge, and it does not slow her down
one bit because right after the new widow Mary, her
daughter Mary immediately marries another legal slave trader named Joe Johnson.

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Joe partners up with Patty to continue this same slave
trading enterprise that she had built with Henry, and Joe's
an even better partner. They recruit as many as fifty
to sixty other people to help them, and they become
known in the area as the Canon Johnson Gang. And
we will never know the exact numbers because there was

(01:02:37):
a book written after her death that they think she
had a hand in writing. Yeah, so they're not sure
if the numbers are correct, but they think she killed
around thirty people and sold thousands of black people back
into slavery or into slavery for the first time, men, women,
and children. It's really sad they're these stories. Because this

(01:02:59):
became so common. There were posters on the streets of
Boston warning black people to be careful, not to talk
to police, not to not to interact with police, and
not to not to believe anyone offering them a job off.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
The street, which like, you'll get in trouble for immediately
if you don't talk to police and don't interact with police.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
If they interact with you, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
But it's almost just like it's that steer clear thing.
It reminds me of that that scene in Love Have
Country where they're just trying to stop for lunch and
they suddenly realize the cafe they're in isn't the safe
place that they got in their green book. It's that
place has been burned down and they are in a
sundown town that's so scared. Oh sorry, spoiler alert. But

(01:03:43):
it's the same thing where there's just traps everywhere. It's
again that thing we talk about about Black people culturally
have not been safe ever, right, They just don't. They can't,
they can't feel safe. Yeah, it's it's not right. So
law enforcement of course looks the other way. They know
what they're doing. But a lot of white people make
money off off of doing this, So this illegal, the

(01:04:05):
illegal aspect of this slave trading. No one, No one's
coming out and going this is wrong. You can't do
it right at all. But the crimes, the Canon Johnson Gang,
they start committing all these crimes against white people, and
of course that's what gets the authorities attention, so they
start hanging out at the tavern paying more attention to

(01:04:25):
what Patty and her people are doing. But she lives
so close to the state line that anytime she catches
when that the cops are going to come and take
a look around, she just hops the border and so
she's out of the area and they can't do anything
about it. In eighteen twenty two, a few members of
the Cannon Johnson gang are finally caught, one being Joe Johnson,

(01:04:47):
and he's the only one that's brought to trial for
kidnapping because he was basically the leader. Found guilty and
his punishment is to be placed in the stocks and
given thirty nine lashes. So he takes his punishment and
then him and his brother Ebenezer take off for the South.
Patty once again she's dodged a bullet, but that changes

(01:05:11):
in eighteen twenty nine when a tenant farmer working her
land stumbles upon something interesting beneath the dirt, a three
foot wide blue chest. The farmer opens it and inside
are the remains of the slave trader that Patty killed
with Joe and Ebenezer back in eighteen twenty So the
farmer reports this finding to the local law enforcement. They

(01:05:32):
go to find Patty, but before they can find her,
they wind up catching Cyrus James in Delaware, who is
Patty's young boy slave. So he's also wanted for his
part in this illegal slave trading operation, which is of
course bullshit because he's a slave he's being forced to
work with them. But the good thing is when the

(01:05:56):
police question him, he just spills the beans and tells
them everything. He confesses to seeing Patty, Joe, and Ebenezer
kill the slave trader and bury him in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
The blue chest.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
He tells them about all the horrors he's seen in
the tavern, about the attic jail, about how Johnson would
whip the black captives who would say they're free. You know,
they're not escaped slaves, they were born free. He even
says there are at least three other bodies of victims
Patty killed and buried on her land. He leads authorities

(01:06:28):
to the locations, and sure enough, when they dig there
they find three more bodies, a young boy who had
been killed on June first, eighteen twenty four, when Patty
hit him in the head with a wooden board, and
two other children who were both killed on April twenty sixth,
eighteen twenty two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
So with the help of Cyrus James testimony, law enforcement
has all they need to arrest Patty, and in April
of eighteen twenty nine, she's caught and charged with four
counts of murder. She's found guilty and to death by hanging,
But on May eleventh, eighteen twenty nine, Patty's guilty conscience
gets the best of her. She calls for a minister

(01:07:09):
and she confesses that she's personally killed eleven people, including
her husband, Jesse Cannon, who she poisoned, as well as
one of her own babies who she strangled when they
were three days old.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
So yeah, she was a fucking monster.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Yeah, and I think that's probably where the Lucretia Borgia
thing came in, because she poisoned her her first husband.
The same afternoon, Patty's found dead in her cell at
age seventy. She had secretly smuggled arsenic into her cell
and used it to poison herself three weeks before her
scheduled hanging. So Patty's body is buried outside the Sussex
County Courthouse in Delaware, but her remains are moved in

(01:07:52):
nineteen oh seven when the area is exhumed for the
development of a parking lot, so they end up bearing
her a pottersfield near a local jail, except for the skull.
Somebody saw one of the courthouse employees who was there
during the exhumation, saw Patty's skull that was separated from
the rest of her remains and took it and kept it. No, no, no,

(01:08:16):
They kept that in their family until nineteen sixty one,
when someone finally donated it to the Dover Library, So
that skull has since been donated to the Smithsonian in Washington,
d C. On long term loan, and in twenty ten,
doctor Douglas Owsley, the chief of the Division of Physical
Anthropology at the Smithsonian, announced his plans to conduct a

(01:08:39):
forensic examination of the skull and saying he wished to
preserve it as a part of a larger study of
life in the Chesapeake from colonial times to the nineteenth century.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
And that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Is the story of Patty Cannon and the reverse underground Railroad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Fuck, dude, that was a whirl end.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I mean, it's not enough. There's so it's uh, you know,
we'll talk more about all this stuff. But the idea
that you know this, talk about a serial killer, talk
about talk about an evil, evil person that we should
know about. I think this that whole idea of people

(01:09:22):
who made money fucking escaped.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Slaves, it's doctor Mangela, it's fucking It is just people
who are who are using the excuse of the times
to do their fucking evil bidding and getting away with it. Wow,
that's fucking evil. That's evil and horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
It's fascinating because this stuff went on for so long.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
She's not. It's not like this is a rare, you know,
moment in history.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
This is she's yeah, she's the anti Harriet Tubman. But
what's cool is in reading up on all this stuff,
they're the coolest thing about Harriet Tubman that I don't
think I understood. Because basically, the under ground railroad went
until obviously the Civil War, you know, through that, and
then Harriet Tubman, the the the Union Army hired her

(01:10:14):
to be a spy because she knew all these routes down,
secret routes and places down to the South, and so
they basically would use her to go in and she
would dress up as an old woman and no one
paid attention to her, and then she would go get
intel and information to bring back to the generals. That's
my favorite. I mean, everything else is incredible and amazing.

(01:10:37):
And her bravery and the fact that she went into
slave states upwards of thirty times to a free escaping slaves.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Yeah. Then she she.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Worked for the for the for the army too during
the Civil Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Bananas, that was incredible, great fucking job. And weirdly mine
is like my story this week is like and later
fifty years later, Yeah, Okay, good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Okay, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
And here's here's a unsolved murder I hadn't heard about
ever that we should know more about, and we should
know more about the woman. This is the murder of
civil rights activist Alberta Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
So I got information from this from there's a great
New York Times article by Trip Gabriel, Blackpast dot Org article,
face to Face Africa article, black then dot Com article
by j Jones, Whas eleven article by Derek Rose and
Lena Duncan, Washington Post article by Danin L. Brown, and

(01:11:44):
just yeah, the it's just coming to light about this
incredible woman, okay. So Alberta Odell Jones is born on
November twelfth, nineteen thirty, to Sarah Francis Crawford and Odell Jones.
Which let's bring back the name of what it does,
pretty good, yocke name in Louisville, Kentucky. So Alberta attends

(01:12:07):
Louisville Central High School and then Louisville Municipal College, which
was a school for black students only, but it merges
at that time with the University of Louisville during desegregation.
So she graduates and this is a black woman. In
the nineteen fifties, she graduates third in her class hell
and gets her bachelor's degree from the University of Louisville,

(01:12:28):
also at the top of her class. Basically, she's really smart,
really driven, and in nineteen fifty six, she's the first
black person to attend the University of Louisville Law School.
She transfers during her second year to Howard University School
of Law in Washington, d C. Which is the oldest
historically black university law school in the United States, and

(01:12:49):
she graduates fourth in her class.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Nice, ye killing She's killing it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
In nineteen fifty nine, she becomes one of the first
black women to pass the Kentucky Bar and so she's
taking the bar exam and a newspaper photographer shows up
to take photos of her because it's historic, and she
says to the journalist at the time, quote, if I
had known how much was depending on me, because she

(01:13:16):
didn't even know about that she was one of the
first black women to even take the Kentucky bar, she said,
I would have studied harder, and she and I would
have worn something different.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
For real, She's like, I would send a bunch of
photographers and made sure, like, no pressure, but you better
pass this.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
So she was also like she was a great speaker.
She was really funny and you know, charming and caring.
After passing the bar, she returns to Kentucky and opens
a law office with partners in downtown Louisville, and over
the next couple of years, Alberta Jones is profiled in
The Courier Journal several times for her work and accomplishments,
and is described as cheerful and outgoing with a great

(01:13:55):
sense of humor. And there's this photo that kind of
goes along with all of her articles, and she's just
this like darling, bright, lovely person with a big smile.
You know, it's in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
A bigger brain and a ginormous brain.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Just to I think about the guy Brandham, who I
know who has passed the bar, Yeah, and how smart
he is, and how much it takes to pass the bar.
Because all of law study is memorization of specific detailed
I don't know how people do it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
It's a mentioned accomplishment with the adversity of being a
a woman, which what did not happen back then to
begin with, and then be a black woman, which was
also so challenging. Yes, and she and she did it
at the top of her.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Class, top of her class, you know, straight a but yeah,
there's yeah, incredible right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
So she's a member of several distinguished groups, the fal
City Bar Association, the Louisville Bar Association, the American Bar Association,
and she's a member of the Zeta five Beta sorority,
which is the third largest predominantly African American sorority. And
their focus is on addressing social causes. So social causes
are really big for Alberta Jones. This is the focus

(01:15:11):
of her career. She loves speaking to groups of younger
women to try to get them to also go into law.
You know, she's just she's a powerful person who could
have who achieved so much in her short life and
could have achieved so much more.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Well that alone, I mean being able to stand there
and go I did it, so can you? Yeah, that's
that's all most of usentation.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
We need a reperence.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
You need you just please show me one person that
looks like me, has a background like me, you know yea,
and has gone somewhere and turns around and goes, come on, you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Can do it too. Totally.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
It's invaluable so early in her career in nineteen sixty
So she's got this neighbor, you know, longtime family friend.
His name is Cassius Clay, and he's an up and
coming boxer and yeah, yeah, someone to negotiate his first
professional fight contract for him, and so are you kidding?

(01:16:04):
Hires his friend Alberta Jones to you know, of course,
he later becomes known as Mohammad Ali. Yeah, and she
against or like with or against eleven wealthy white businessman
working on this contract, makes sure that he gets a
fair deal and even make sure that some of the
money is put in a trust that he can't touch

(01:16:25):
till after he's thirty five, because she's like a fuck,
you know, you're just gonna you know, you're excited to
spend it all. So she, yeah, this fucking lawyer, she
negotiates this contract for him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Hell yes, amazing, brilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
So she's also, of course a massive civil rights activist,
a member of the NAACP. She marches in Louisville protests,
attends the March on Washington in nineteen sixty three in August,
and she forms the Independent Voters Association of Louisville and
so she with that, With that association, she and they
are able to register six thousand and black voters now

(01:17:01):
in Louisville, which is a huge amount of people. Six
thousand extra people voted in this upcoming election. It would
sway thanks, So you know, one hundred percent it's important.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
So I just have to stop you really quick to
say that it is bumming me out where we're going
with this because I've never heard of this person.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
No I know, And it's it's that, it's that we
had never heard of her and all her work, and
then we had never heard of other stuff, and it's
it's we can it's time, and you know, Washington Post
and New York Times and all these outlets are finally
giving her and what happened to her the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Attention it deserves. So amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Bum I know me too. When she's doing this voter association,
you know, uh, things work work. She also rents voting
machines so that she can teach, you know, teach the
people how to vote when they get in there, so
they're not nervous and freak out, they know what needs
to be done. I'm sure it's a really sparitive loved

(01:18:03):
that right to vote.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
For the first eighteen year old. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Yes, it's nervous, and it's fucking you know, these groups
of black people who have never voted before, and she
wants them to be confident when they walk in. And
because of this, this movement ends up causing a major
political shakeup in nineteen sixty one, when black voters help
oust the old school mayor and many of the city's aldermen.

(01:18:28):
They fucking vote those fucking old school racist dick heads out. Yeah,
because of their activism. So and because of this, less
conservative administration is in place, and Louisville finally starts enacting
anti discrimination policies. And Alberta Jones is also single handedly

(01:18:48):
able to integrate Louisville's city hall by forcing officials to
hire black employees. So she's this fucking little, cute, fucking sprightly, smart, excited,
powerful woman who's able to make these changes in her
early thirties.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Like incredible, when better better?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
I mean, so you actually have that, that's right. In
nineteen sixty four, Alberta is appointed as city attorney in Louisville,
the first woman to ever hold that position. In nineteen
sixty four, that's so credible, it's so good. In February
of the following year, she's also appointed prosecutor for the

(01:19:29):
Domestic Relations Court, which is another first for a woman
and a person of color, and she's responsible for prosecuting
mostly white men for spousal abuse.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Okay, so let's get to see the bummer part. Because
this is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
A strong, brave young woman and she's this force. She's
up and coming in her career and life. It's a
shock to everyone who knows her when on August fifth,
nineteen sixty five, Alberta, at thirty four years years old,
is found dead in the Ohio River. It's near Louisville's

(01:20:05):
Sherman Minton Bridge. Initially, police think her death is due
to drowning, you know, I don't know. Maybe they thought
she had just jumped, but her car has discovered several
blocks from the bridge and there's a massive amount of
blood inside. And then they do the autopsy and they
determined that she had received several severe blows to the head,
they think with a brick before entering the water, unconscious

(01:20:29):
and dies from drowning. And it just doesn't there's no
rhyme or reason. The night she died, Alberta's sister, Flora Shanklin,
says that her sister had gotten a call from a
friend and that friend had been facing a lawsuit and
asked her to come out and discuss the lawsuit with her.
It was like late at night. Alberta was like, I

(01:20:51):
don't want to, but the friend kind of, you know,
it was like a girlfriend convinced her to go out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
Doesn't seem like there's anything involved with this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I don't know, and so Flora says the last time
she talked to her sister, Alberta was on the couch
reading a magazine about how about the Kennedy assassination, which
had happened like two years before, And the last thing
Alberta said to her was casually, I hope I don't
get assassinated, and Flora responded, you don't have to worry

(01:21:20):
about it. You're not the president of the United States,
and that just stuck with her.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
So police investigate the murder. They find witnesses who report
having seen a woman being attacked and dragged near the
bridge by three unidentified men the night Alberta died, which
I feel like, in nineteen sixty five, you didn't you
didn't interrupt stuff like that. I don't know, they just
saw it and moved on.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
It's like they witnessed it and I don't know rand
they didn't call anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Like this is domestic. I don't, I don't anything to
do with this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Three against one is not domestic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
No, who fucking yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
No no.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
And then strangely they find her purse three years after
the murder, hanging from that bridge, the Sherman Minton Bridge,
almost like someone came back to get rid of the
purse or tried to give a clue. Three years later,
it shows up and it has its credit cards inside.

(01:22:24):
All the contents are still on there, the checks, but
the purse just shows up. But the case does go
cold and the family is left without answers. Okay, so
let's fast forward to twenty thirteen. A first year student
at the Brandeis School of Law. Her name is Lee Remington.

(01:22:48):
In some articles it's Lee Remington Williams. But the name
Lee Remington is just a fucking you're you're a cow person.
You're a cowgirl, and you're fucking fighting the good fight, right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Let's hope.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
So she is. She is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
So she's like passing through her hallway. She's at her
law school, she sees portraits of civil rights leaders and
she notices this photo of Alberta Jones. And she is
a big civil rights student. That's like, you know, one
of her passions, and she's like, how do I not
know who this woman? This black and white photo of
this woman with all these other civil rights leaders, how

(01:23:25):
do I not know who this is? And then she
looks more into Alberta Jones and she's shocked to learn
about her trailbait blazing accomplishments and her unsolved murder. So
she shocked about it. None of her classmates have ever
heard of Alberta either, so she decides to start writing
a biography of Alberta Jones's life to get her more recognition.

(01:23:46):
And she even gets in touch with Jones's sister, Flora,
who's now in her eighties. Oh wow, And so Flora
tells her all about her sister's death and how she
thinks investigators ignored and buried evidence, and she believes that
somewhat she Flora's Flora thinks that someone paid the killers
to kill her sister, and that law enforcement didn't care

(01:24:08):
about her sister's murder because they were indifferent about the
murder of a civil rights activist at the time, which
is fair. For years, police told the family there's not
enough evidence to arrest anyone and that none of the
original investor investigators were even still alive, so they couldn't
it wasn't even worth reopening the case. And so when
Lee Remington starts her research in twenty thirteen, police tell

(01:24:30):
her that the witnesses and the case are all also
dead and there's like there's nothing to be done. But
Lee Remington gets access to the case file through an
open records request and starts reviewing everything, and she discovers
that one of the detectives who worked on the case
at the time was super young when he was a
detective and he's still alive. They're not all dead, and

(01:24:52):
so she goes and interviews him, and he tells her
he was in charge of collecting most of the evidence
and writing the case report back during the nineteen sixty
five investigation and tells her some details and that there
is evidence that was collected and you know, you know,
like vacuuming the car for any trace evidence and fingerprints
and shit. So she's like, this could still be an

(01:25:12):
active case. Then Lee Remington finds that there had actually
been a new investigation into Alberta Jones's case back in
two thousand and eight, because the FBI had matched a
fingerprint found inside Alberta Jones's car to a man who
is seventeen years old at the time of the murder,
oh who lived in the area. He's referred to as CJ.

(01:25:36):
Because he's not an official suspects. We don't know his name.
So Detective Terry Jones of the cold case Squad had
in two thousand and eight had interviewed this man and
this dude's CJ can't explain why his fingerprint is in
this car and denies killing Alberta Jones, although the spot
where her car had been found, which was kind of
far from the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Bridge, was just a couple blocks.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
From where he and his friend hung out. And he
claims this guy CJ claims he was a bookworm. He
had just graduated from high school, he was going to college.
And he also said, so Alberta's car at the time
was in the shop. So the car that she was
driving where they found the blood in was a rental car.
And so this guy CJ was like, well, I hitchhike,
I hitchhiked a lot, So maybe that's why my fingerprint

(01:26:21):
was in the car.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
I mean, stranger things have happened. However, let's dig into
this a little more. Yeah, yeah, So CJ offers to
take a polygraph. It's found that he's being deceptive, but
he's never charged with anything. And CJ's brother tells reporters
that he and CJ had known Alberta Jones and had
met her because she was friends with one of their doctors,

(01:26:46):
but they didn't do it. And his brother said he
was home with him the night that Alberta was killed.
You know, it's fishy. But two years after the fingerprint discovery,
so it's like, you know, twenty ten prosecutors write a
letter to the police chief and let them know that
they're not pursuing the case further because there aren't any
blood samples from the scene available for DNA testing. Like,

(01:27:08):
there's not more evidence to test, right, Why is there
not more evidence to test?

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
They threw it away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
It's just missing. Entire evidence box is missing. So although
a shit tent of evidence was collected by FBI at
the time, fingerprints, vacuum samples from every inch of the car,
blood samples the purse and its contents, her dentures, sigarette
butts from the car, her shoes, her clothes, it's all missing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Whoa, that's not that's a very bad sign.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
And I bet it's somewhere, like even if it's legitimately
like they can't find it. There's always those fucking storerooms
and warehouses. But then you always hear about the floods
and the fires that like destroy evidence, and it's just
so we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Yeah, if there was something much more sinister and calculated
about it than like saying those three people were hired
to kill her, right then they you know, then then
somebody could also have the juice to then make that
case case fi will go missing, right evidence?

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
And there are people, you know that that she had
issues with, although everyone loved her. Of course, she was
a prosecutor and she was prosecuting men for spousal abuse,
which is going to piss some people off. And the
people she had to work with in the courthouse also
didn't fucking love the idea that they are working with

(01:28:32):
or fighting against a black woman, so they're pissed about it.
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
It's like then.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
There's also her influence on politics and the vote the voter, right,
like basically, like that's the power alone of the act.
Yeah is huge.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
Yeah, the people that are out there can have issues
with her, and yeah, hire someone and it's it's a
more complicated case to study. But you that's your job
if you're an investigator. So sure, job right, And they
also the cold case unit says that there's no one
involved with the case that's still alive. Again, that's back

(01:29:09):
then in two thousand and eight. That's their narrative. But
so Leigh Runnington now finds that this letter, finds this
letter and starts to refute each point. She now has
over almost sixteen hundred pages of research that she's uncovered
through public records. She's fucking like down this rabbit hole,
which is amazing. The most glaring one being that one

(01:29:30):
of the detectives involved is still alive. So she's like,
your argument doesn't make any sense. I found him, you
can talk to him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
But also, is that the rule in cold cases if
the detectives who originally investigated are alive, then too bad, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
That doesn't make sense, It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
You don't have primary sources.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
But you can also have that their notes and interviews
at the time should stand for that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
That's the whole idea of keeping files and having an
evidence room.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
And obviously exactly, Yeah. So, Lee Remington also says that
police back in two thousand and eight failed to interview
several friends that CJ had mentioned hanging out with, some
of who lived quote a stone's throw from where the
witness is reported seeing Jones abducted, and she says that
CJ should be reinterviewed.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
People described CJ.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
As meek and harmless, and actually, Lee Remington says she
doesn't think that he's the killer, but she thinks he
definitely knows more than he's letting onto.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Yeah. I think they described Ted Bundy as being meek
and harmless as well and attractive.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
And there's also you know, there's speculation of you know
what we already talked about, as well as maybe her
murderer has to do with the contracts she was drying
up for Muhammed Ali's fights, you know, which there's I mean,
there's no I haven't seen any there's no basis for that,
but that's just speculation around town.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
So in twenty second was like pulling the other famous
name into the store.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Right, right, and so still it's a lot of money.
It's a lot of money writing on this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Good money.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Maybe she's fucking with it and they don't like it,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Maybe, yeah, maybe she's cutting in in a way that's
like going to establish a precedent, right, you know, it's
like everywhere she went she was actually really powerful, yeah,
and young and power.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
And stirring shit up yep, which is great. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
So in twenty seventeen, Lee Remington Williams now she's now
a professor with a PhD. She sends a letter to
the chief of the Louisville Metro Police Department requesting that
the department reopened the investigation, and so the Civil Rights
Division of the Department of Justice also decides to get involved,
and the investigation is funded because there's this new law
that had come in, the Emmett Hill Unsolved Civil Rights

(01:31:46):
Crime Act, which provides thirteen point five million annual funds
to the Department of Justice, the FBI, and the state
and local law enforcement agencies to investigate and prosecute pre
nineteen seventy killings. And of course, Emmett Till is a
fourteen year old African American child who was lynched in

(01:32:07):
Mississippi in nineteen fifty five after being wrongfully accused of
offending a white woman in her family's grocery store, and
his white killers were acquitted.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
It's just this whole what's the word, travesty of justice.
It's this whole travesty of justice. It's sick.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
And so now all this money is being put in
to investigate, you know, crimes like this that should have
gone a different way.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Yeah, that should have been investigated.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
And properly aul way exactly. So, finally, fifty two years
after her murder, Alberta Jones's case is officially reopened. And
this means her, I know, And this means her case
also finally gets recognized by nationwide media outlets like the
New York Times, who did this great article about it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
And the Washington Post.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
But her, so it's reopened, She's finally getting the attention
she deserves, and her legacy is the civil rights pioneer
and advocate, is also finally being recognized as well.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
So because of the new.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Attention around her case, which is this tragic thing, but
also her work is being celebrated, and so in the
fall of twenty seventeen, Alberta Jones is honored in a
hometown heroes ceremony, including a large banner of her photo
being hung in downtown Louisville at sixth and Muhammad Ali

(01:33:26):
And it's this huge, beautiful, you know photo. A local
council woman sponsors a resolution to rename a street near
Alberta's old downtown office Honorary Alberta Jones Esquire Boulevard.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
And there's portraits and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Plaques of her placed in the county's attorney's office, the
University of Louisville Law School, and the library at Bellarmine
University where she attended law school, and a law scholarship
at bellerman is now named in Jones's honor. And at
her high school, Central High School, there's a new law

(01:34:02):
and Government Magnet program and the classroom stands as a
courtroom and it's named in her honor.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Oh, I know, it's so good, uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:12):
And there haven't been any new leads unfortunately yet in
recent years, although the attention that's like being put on
this case maybe will make some people want to, you know,
confess what they know or finally, you know talk, Yeah, exactly.
But a sergeant on the Louisville Homicide Department says that
the case is still open. And as for Alberta Jones,

(01:34:35):
she has this quote.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
So people were.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Constantly doubting her, saying, you know, she had gotten home
from law school and they're like, you have two strikes
against you already. You're a woman and you're black, Like
what what do you think you're doing? And she would respond, quote, yeah,
but I've got one strike left. And I've seen people
get home runs when all they've got left is one strike.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
And that is the story of civil rights activists Alberta
Jones and her tragic murder.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Alberta Jones Alberta John's name most more people should know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
I mean, she's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
Fucking I mean, she's light and power and love.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
There's so many stories though, that are like this, where
it's it's the murder of black people who are making
an affecting change in places that need it so badly.
It's so part of the tragedy is how common this
kind of a story is and how much we don't
hear about it, and how you know, swept.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Under the rag it is, yeah, yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
It feels like in his last you know, in his
last five months or so, it's people are, especially it's
white people, starting to wake up to the fact that
they have this incredibly incomplete education and picture of how
this country has been working and how it needs to change. Also,
just speaking about this because Alberta Jones is from Louisville,

(01:36:03):
they still need to arrest the cops that murdered Breonna Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Fucking straight up murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
It has to happen. Everybody knows this case. It's her
face has been on the cover of Oprah magazine. I mean,
it's like this. It talk about something I bet you
Alberta Jones would get behind in a very meaningful way
if she wasn't murdered in the prime of her life,

(01:36:28):
fighting for the murder of a young woman who was
absolutely had every one of her rights.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Absolutely Yeah, there is no world where you can argue
that that was not murdered. From the cop who lied
to get that warrant to the cop who fucking signed
it knowing that it was incorrect and that the person
who they were signing the warrant for had already been

(01:36:55):
arrested that day, to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
The number of bullets that were shot into everything going
against procedure. I mean, it's so egregious, it's so beyond
got a change. Great job, beautifully done. I'm so excited
that I know who Alberta Jones is. Thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Yeah, well, let's end this by rooting some fucking raise.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
This is from Kelsey at this missus Robinson, I have
a fucking hooray. Going back to teaching has been one
of the most stressful and trying seasons of my life.
Not knowing what will happen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
Between health's seasons. She called it one of the.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Seasons of her life, and I bet you she's not
over thirty years old. She's definitely still in the spring
winter area. Okay, not knowing what will happen between health, safety,
mental health, and the status of my job. People insulting
and manipulating the situation makes you question if it's all
worth it. But this week I was reminded why I

(01:37:51):
chose this job. The kids. I teach three year olds
to eleven year old and they are messaging me how
they miss me and love me. I'm reminded that this
is a season that will pass, and reminded of the
kindness in people. Shout out to MFM for highlighting the
good and we can all persevere through these times together.
Did you guys hear about the shout out in the

(01:38:13):
letter Kenny episode?

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Yeah, I know about the.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Squirrely Dan is a fan too. Hey, Hey, good job Kelsey.
Sorry you're in that situation and it's very smart of
you to keep it positive like that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Yeah, and thanks Letter Kenny for the shout out.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Lutter Kenny.

Speaker 2 (01:38:29):
We talked about that a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Yeah, a while ago, right, yeah, but yeah, we'll tell
ya Canada.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
What's up, Canada?

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Lovely?

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Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
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Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
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of the closet. Thank you, ladies for doing what you
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(01:39:16):
gay Christian. But you fucking did it like he did it.
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Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Awesome, Yeah, congrats.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
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won yeah, with the score of seven three hundred and
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It's been such a lovely way to spend our evenings together,
especially as I'm going back to university soon and we
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Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
Five hours away.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
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Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Oh to all the kids going back to school, fuck good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Luck, Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
I've been really enjoying the university. You know they all
have to go two weeks before to like quarantine, and
the meals that they've been giving them that are disgusting
meals in their dorms. Been really enjoying enjoing those photos.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Okay, I'm enjoying how people are going back immediately. Fifty
eight people get sick and then they cancel in person classes.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
Which just they should be doing, they should be doing.
It's crazy. This one's from Benji Souther. Here's a fucking hooray.
Right as COVID started, I found out my best friend
had to move from DC to California for work. That night,
I broke down and told him I had feelings for him.
Turns out he felt the same way too, but we'd

(01:41:08):
both been too nervous to say anything because he's a
sis straight guy and I'm a trans gay guy, and
he wanted to make sure my gender felt respected, and
I wanted to be sure his sexual identity felt respected.

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Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Three days later I got COVID symptoms and moved in
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on the third morning of our cross country road trip,
and because quarantine time is weird, we're talking about marriage. Wow,
I can't remember the last time I felt this happy.

(01:41:49):
And I've saved a backlog of MFM for the trip,
so you've been there with me for the ride SSDGM,
Ben and I looked. Of course, had to fucking sneak
and look at the Instagram that they and it's the cutest.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
I cried. I cried.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
It's like, it's the best things about social media.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
That's so lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
Congratulations, it's a younger generation they're gonna but.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Like, the the beautiful part of it is that, like
that's such a brave thing to do. That's such a strong, brave,
kind of like important thing to declare feelings in such
a risky situation, such a question mark.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
It's so beautally, I mean, it's like it's only one life,
and you get to decide what chances you want to
take and are willing to take, whether they're going to
work out or not. You get to decide and like,
are you going to regret? You know when you're fucking
forty that you like me? You didn't You didn't take
those chances, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Yeah that you didn't like what the you calculated that risk. Yeah,
you did it right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
And it worked out for you. And we're fucking stoked
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Stoked and super jealous, which I think is even better.
A better compliment is I kind of hate you a
little bit for being so young and strong and modern
that you're like, you know what, I'm so I'm valid.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
Of course I'll like me back.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Did you get that? Because that's self esteem in a nutshell,
That's how you build how you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Build it, That's what gener gen X parents give you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
You know we didn't get edy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:25):
You and I had fucking boomers as parents, and they were.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Like that, man will never love me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
If you're fifty, Mary, well marry a rich man. Georgia, Mary,
go to college. They can meet a rich man.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Get yourself a doctor. What don't you want me to
be a doctor? That's not My dad would say, get
yourself doctor. My mom would say, no, become a doctor.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Yeah, you know that share quote where she goes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
My mom always told me to to marry or to
marry a rich man. And I said, Mom, I am
a rich man. Fucking favorite. Listen to share whatever you
do for real. That's that's a way to live life
right there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
That's right amazing. That was a nice bab everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Everyone's you know, in the midst of a real ship time,
there are people who are making it work anyway, conraduations.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Just try a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
That's all you gotta do.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
We believe in you. Thank you guys for listening. Steven,
thank you for helping us in a r V right now,
in the middle of a desert in Arizona.

Speaker 4 (01:44:26):
I love it. If everyone thinks I'm in a desert, Steven's.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
In the middle of the desert in an RV.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
He's doing Burning Man by himself this year. Yeah, how
is he engineering on the playout? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Bring me back some.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
That's why you were barfing on mute while we were
doing our stories. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Send it's your fucking arraise wherever Andy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Thank you guys for being there for us. We get
lots of stories about like you. We're here for you
because you're listening to our voices.

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Or it's make me feel that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
You guys have changed our lives so much for the
better and we can't we can't literally cannot thank you
correctly or properly, especially in quarantine. But we love you.
Please know it deep in your heart.

Speaker 3 (01:45:17):
And we mean you specifically you, specifically you, Yes, the
one who thinks it's not you, no, yact No, You're
important to us.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
Here's another thing I want you to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Good Bye, Elvis.

Speaker 3 (01:45:31):
Do you want to cook?

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
He