255 - Live at the Chevalier Theater in Medford, MA - Late Show (2018)

In this week’s former Fan Cult exclusive episode, Karen and Georgia cover Lizzie Borden and Eastern Air Lines Shuttle Flight 1320.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's that, bostay, the early show didn't stand up?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, okay, Late show ripsom long.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
One girl in the front row stet up by herself. Yes,
that's right. It was so sweet.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
And then she turned around and saw that no one
else was standing.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Up, and she sat down. It was the best I felt.
I felt it.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
It was the best, strongest ovation from the Loneliest Bird.
It's my greatest fear to stand up in front of
people who I assume are standing and actually are sitting
and staring at my ass. That's probably in the top three.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Uh huh. What are the other ones?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Of course, moths in a box and just everything that's
happening today. But other than that, we're all together. That's
what's important, aren't we.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yes they are?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes? Oh the late showes late show vibes.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
As we were walking up the stairs, vinces walking us
to the stage, and he goes, now, remember they've been
drinking since.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Five, Yes, that's right, so have we.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I mean, look, I couldn't stay on the wagon for
too long.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Seventeen years is quite some time.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Uh, stop shaking.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
This is one of our best new bits. Let's see
talked about that. Yeah, we did that. Already.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh if you, I mean some of you may have
been here. But the first show, at the end of
the show, we had a wedding proposal of marriage.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
A wedding proposal of marriage.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
It was it wasn't just any wedding proposal, it was
of marriage marriage one.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
And not only that.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
If you follow my favorite murder out of context Twitter feed,
it's the people that run that.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
It's the that couple.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
We brought them up, said thanks so much for doing that.
They told us the story behind it.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's so cute.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
They dated in high school, then they broke up and
led their lives.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Then they met again.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
And I was like, I wonder which one's going to propose,
and then I.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
She was shaking so much. I realized it and was
going to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
I was like, but you don't shake that much and
not know it's about to facking happen.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
And then she said, since I'm broke and pulled a
ring pop out.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Of the suck cute.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
It was so I almost gave her my my one
of mine, but it's probably cost less than the ring
Popp did.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
That's not insulting events because we went.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Not the good one, And I was like, I guess
I need a wedding ring after we got married.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Everything about that gesture sucks.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I know it didn't mean it that way, but there
it is, but there it was. But there it was,
laying on the floor with the rug that we brought
from home.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Oh, this is my favorite murder by the way, it's
a podcast.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
That's Karen Kilgareth. This is Georgia hard Star.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
That's shaking, shaky, so dumb.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
We were in New York all week.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
We saw one, yes, completely naked man in front of
our hotel yesterday, just the one, thankfully, just one sighting.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Thankfully it was only him.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
And that's good luck. I think when you see one.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
In La it's if you see Angeline, that lady in
the pink car, that's good luck. And then in New York,
just a fully nude man at night on the.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Sidewalk in front of the door to your hotel that
you were about to have to walk through.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Good luck, good luck, goodbye.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yes, that happened, that really happened to us.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
And I flashed you if you were if you were
here for the show before this, you'll know that I
walked out of the elevator. No one Karen was going
to be waiting for me, so I'd give her her bag.
And at that moment, I was like, you know what
I'm gonna do. I don't have sleeves on my dress,
pulled it down so my tits were out, and just
walked out of the elevator.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Was it midnight on a Saturday today? Saturday on a
Friday night? Midnight, Friday night, New York City hotel and
Georgia rolls the fucking dice and comes out topless.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Anyone could have been.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Standing next to me either way. It's a great story.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, I mean, could have even been a better story
if there was a just a group of businessmen standing
standing there talking about the fucking Dow Jones Industrial Average
and then what then?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
But I was like, bet on you know red? And
then I was right? And then also you bet on
red in the Dow Jones.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Probably yes, I think it's it's green and purple and
pink and red, and then you just bet and then
you make friends. For me, visually, it was shocking, not
not because Georgia was topless, because she's done that fun
trick to me several times.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
It's true surprise nakedness. I highly recommend it as a joke.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Also, she makes her eyes go like three times wider
than I've ever seen them, So there's.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Lots to look at. It's like, what's this, how are
you doing that?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
What's happening?

Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's just it's the it's the embodiment of surprise.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
But also that little dress you have.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
It's like a sun dress sundressed with an elastic at
the top, and she just had it right underneath her tips.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
So it's kind of like how you do an.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Off the shoulder if you have your choice, You're like,
I don't know, I'll go off their shoulder. She's just like,
I'm gonna go down here today. I'm just gonna make
it like.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Sorry, to make it fucking Sometimes we have to make
our own fun my bit.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
We have to do Hollway bits.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
It's good. Steven's not here.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Steven's not here, everybody, I know.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
He's taking care of my cat. That's how what your coaches.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
He's taking marek care of my cats.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
No, oh, stop it stop.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
He's doing a great job. Lots of photos.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yes, he always does such a good he dedicates himself
to the taking care of your cats.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I think he's figured out and he got a new
app or something, because now he's he's got a photo
of them, and then it and then hearts appear around
it and like a little song comes on. If I hit,
if I hit the loud thing on which I never do.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I thought you were going to say that he had
cat ears and like a cat face on the cats.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
It's cats for cats. You love cats so much.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Put an extra cat face.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Cat face on your cat's face.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
It'll be great.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Is that the end of that anecdote? One that really
was It really wasn't anything. It wasn't guys late show.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
It's late.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
You don't get the strongest anecdotes.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
But that guy has an I'm an Elvis shirt on you,
and I Am an Elvis shirt on don't you?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
And a MEMI I'm a meanie shirt. Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
She did the brave thing and stood right up.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
She has loation on her hands, by the way, and
it feels really good. That's why I'm touching her so much.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Also because we're working on our new circus to Laax
where we just weirdly pull each other.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
To the side as the opening of the show we had.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
We just did a show and then we do the
meet ingried after with a hundred people. It's what's hugging
and smiling and it's really lovely. And then both of
us go back. We're not old ladies, and yet both
of us go back into the green room and just.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Do these stretches because before our hurt.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
My hips, the stone, my plant are fast. This hip
it's real sad, it's very there's a lot of grunting
and browning, and it's not like this is sports.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Any anything at all hard.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
There's five minutes of standing and then there's an hour
of sitting and we're like, oh, how do.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
We get through another night?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
No one's ever thrown their back out from hugging people before.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
And yet we had a girl in the meat and
great who said she was went really fast. She's like
great to me, and she was walking away and she goes,
my psychic Italian grandmother knows who killed John Bennet.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
She walked away, Yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And Karen's like, get fucking back here right now, and
she goes, scare. Karen goes, she's psychic, and she goes,
she's a psychic nutritionist, and then sucking, you walked away
a psychic nutritionist.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
I can tell you eight fucking whatever for breakfast.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Right, She's like, stop with the carbs already, Like, you
don't have to be a psychic you really that's a
bit of a scam.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Psychic nutritionis it's true. I don't know. It feels like
you're eating a ton of carbs. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I feel like you eat chocolate in in hotel beds.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
No, it seems like you laid down all the time.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
I feel like you ate McDonald's in a New York
hotel room.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Like, oh no, sorry, that was I just burped. I'm
so sorry that you're not psychic. I have I'm repeating.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Should we sit down?

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Uh, tonight's table was brought to you in miniature.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, we haven't grown in size. The table has shrunk.
This is a magic show, it is.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I wonder if they used this when they were here
for the recent Prices Right Live.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Did you guys know that it was a fucking thing?

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I mean, I know the Price is Right is live
to begin with, that's a tape live like tape I've been.
It's so much fucking fun and I hate everything. And
it was like Drew Carey was amazing and a dream.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
It was lovely, and you didn't get to run on
down buck.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Now you have to be like fun and excited. You
have to be like it's six in the fucking morning
and you and they interviewed, and you have to be like,
I love dancing, you know, a poet for my job?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Right, Oh, I'm so excited. I'd be here and I'm.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Just not what would you say? I'll be the announcer,
probably Don Pardo. I can't remember who it is.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
And then you do.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
The camera's gonna go like this, and then and the
next contestant, the price is very come on down, Georgia,
Heart's dark.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. No, you should should
be you. It should be you.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
You should go go for me, Go for me. I'm
the director. Cut cuts, cuts.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Go again.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
We're gonna take that again with someone one else.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Okay, now you do it and I'll do my reaction.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
And the next contestant on the Price is right is.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Karen kil Garriff Come on deck?

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I would straight up deny. Yeah, I would never be
there in the first place.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
This is this is a late show.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah it is, yes, thank you.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
This is also a true crime comedy podcast. Before we
get started thank you.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
So you know, we always like to run that down
for people. Yeah, some people don't know it's true crime.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
There's people who are brought to this show by other
people against their will and against their better judgment.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Someone in the.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Meet and greet line, they were like three people who
were like so happy and hugging us, and then there's
one woman and was just like, I guess.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
And the girl goes, this is my aunt. She thought
she was coming to a murder mystery show.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
She thought we were going to solve the murders at
the end of the show.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
How did they lie to her?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
And I was kind of looking at I was like sorry,
and she was like, eh, she.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Can't win them all.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I mean it kind of is.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
It's like a mystery how this is happening.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
We had a girl in the.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
This is my my favorite moment happening in my brain.
The meet and greet in New York, there was a
girl who was a we call them drag alongs.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
She was a drag along.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
We've never called them that before, but I love it.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
You know, drag alongs that thing we say all the
time and have t shirts of. So the drag along
was like it was that thing where she was like
I did I brought her it's my birthday or whatever.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
And I turned her and I was like, did you
have fun? She was like that was all right.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
It's like all right, well, okay, and then she starts
explaining how this friend of hers is so obsessed that
every time they get into the car she makes them
listen to the podcast.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
And she goes and.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I'm like sitting in the call, like, uh, what do
we gotta listen to talking? She's fucking right, She's right,
don't make your friends listen to talking.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
That's you're supposed.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
To do it with your friend, and then when they're
not there, do it with your other friends.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
But are you first this time?

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Are you ready to listen to some talking?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Good?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Good good? Your first? This time? I was first last time.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
I didn't do the full explanation.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
So, if you're here and you've never seen the show before,
it's a true comedy podcast, which is kind of a
difficult combination sometimes if people aren't used to this setup.
You know, murder is obviously a terrible thing. It's very
dark and it's very tragic, and we are not laughing
at the fact that people killed other people. There's nothing
funny about it, but in the way that we have
the conversation about it. Because of our personalities and the

(14:46):
way we talk to each other, we are funny to
each other about the things we're talking about. It's a complex, yeah,
kind of a layered experience.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
We say this at the top of every episode. You
guys know this by heart by now.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, but just for the people who don't know. If
you don't like it, get the fuck out is essentially.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
That's all I'm saying. That's all. And now I'm going
to do the legend of Lizzie Borden.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Why aren't you.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Going to.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
How the fuck am I supposed to follow that?

Speaker 4 (15:44):
We'll do it fast.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Let me go first.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I only have one photo see it at the end.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I can't follow that. You didn't supposed to ship it's
not no, no, I don't change it.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
The no, don't change it.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
That's weird. All right, Stephen comes out. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Stephen comes out with a clipboard and a whistle. No,
you cannot change it.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
You've been very inaccurate about the order for years.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Please don't change it.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Okay, you go, you go, go, you go.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, I'm going go ga, go, go go. You're right,
I'm going to Lizzie. Andrew Borden, that's not true.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Was born on July nineteenth, eighteen sixteen, Fall River, Massachusetts.
Fall River is it pronounced fall River?

Speaker 3 (16:44):
We're there. I think it's fallen there.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
When that one came up, I was like, I fucking
got this first fall and then river.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
There's no extra e h's at the end or anything.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
So their father was grew up kind of poor, modestly,
but he worked very hard throughout his life. Eventually becomes
he's the director of textile textile mills. He's a commercial landlord.
He does very well from himself. At the time of
his death, he was worth three hundred thousand dollars at

(17:20):
which today is.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Worth how much more than three hundred thousands.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
That's writers over eight million dollars, so shit money.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
The Burdens were rich bitches up on the hill. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
But Andrew, the father I'm gonna call him Andy, was
a cheap bastard. He even though families of means of
the day all had electricity and indoor plumbing.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Basics right as we call them.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Andy was like, we don't name that. We can go
with that.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yes, No, you can't try it one something like yeah,
we need this flush the toilet one time in your
life and you're like wow.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
They're all, wow, this is incredible.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
I can't go without this.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Poor Lizzie's out in the outhouse with a candle. I
really hate my life. She has an older sister named Emma,
and they're raised very religious, and Lizzie belongs to lots
of fun clubs like the Endeavor Society of Women's Christian
Temperance Union.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Why I fucking do not party at all. That's the
whole point of it.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
They don't spike that holy water no ever, No is
that a thing?

Speaker 4 (18:40):
No spiking holy water? Well, you just go like this
with it.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
So unless you spike it with fucking acid, then you're like,
oh my.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
God, Jesus is my boyfriend. I love him so much.
You're gonna go see Dave Matthews with my boyfriend Jesus finally.
So no, okay.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
When she's three years old, Lizzie and Emma's mom dies,
or I should say just Lizzie's mom.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Ellen said her father remarries a woman named Abby Fray.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Lizzie and her sister never call Abby mom or mother.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
They call her missus.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Borden because they hate her fucking gush, even.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
At three years old or I guess.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Older, well as I guess as they grew up.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Once they learned how to give shade, they were like, oh,
I know how to be very lightly rude to you
all day, every day for the rest of your life. Wow,
we're gonna keep it formal. They both believe that Abby
only married their father for his money, so they're not
into it. Okay, so we're gonna cut to It's the
end of July eighteen ninety two.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Lizzie is an unmais married, thirty two year old Sunday
school teacher who, don't forget, belongs to the Women's Christian
Union temperance Union night.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Those crazy ladies. Why Mary, when you got your bitches?

Speaker 6 (20:11):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Can we pull up the first picture? I'm not sure?
Oh yeah. So here's their home, Hume Millionaires.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's very boxy, and then on the left there's the outhouse.
It's just a huge, one huge pit on the other
side of that door.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Cool okay.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh, and then I think, would you go to the
next picture too, because I think we've got there. She is.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
There's our star.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
She looks like a character that the hilarious Trick from
Saturday Night Live would play.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
You know, yes, Kate mccannon, thank you. Yes, you know
why because Kate mccannon's when she's being super fun, she
just does crazy eyes like that. Yeah, but Lizzie had
them all the time apparently.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Look at those close cropped curl bangs that she's Yeah,
the thing those took some work.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Do I need to do that now?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah? You should do a part straight up the middle.
Every time we do old stories and I see the
women's hairstyles from like long ago, it makes me panic,
like I have to have that hair right now because
that shit where you have to wrap braids up around
your head like fucking Heidi and walk around, I mean
I would have.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
It's horrifying to think.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Just what about the ones like the Jane Austin time
where you had to do braid hoops, like like they're
like big Mary j bligearrings, but braids.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Who pulls that off? Not this irish face Instagram models?

Speaker 4 (21:52):
What if the Jane Austin look came back.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Then the Instagram models can have it, that's right, and
they can keep it and then it I do?

Speaker 4 (21:59):
I do like a nice high collar.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Though hike tight bottom, just right up to the choke here,
just right up to the chin.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
It's hot, Okay, Sometimes nudity is hot, and then some'm
sometimes covering your entire body is also trying to wear
a unitar dress.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
It's all that will do, Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
So Lizzie is living in her father's house as a
Sunday school teacher, thirty two years old, unmarried, nothing wrong
with it, no, no, but back then they called her
a haggard, hugg spinster.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Oh did they?

Speaker 4 (22:42):
No, that's just I just call her that.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, Okay, you can take that picture down of Lizzie.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's scaring us.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
It's a bit haunting, and she's like the entire time.
People's the audience are like, yeah, she's looking right at me. Okay.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
So a couple of weeks before the time I'm about
to talk about, Yes, I don't know how I phrase
that on the page, Lizzie and her sister get into
a fight with their parents, their dad and stepmom because
they find out that the dad is giving huge amounts
of real estate to Abby's family. So they're pissed, okay, okay.

(23:23):
So then a couple days after this big family fight.
The whole household has taken violently ill and yeah, including
their Irish maid, Maggie Sullivan, and so Abby fears that
somebody may have tried to poison them because she knows
that no one likes her husband, including his daughters and
probably their Irish maid.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
Most likely.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Sounds great, sounds like a healthy, fun place.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
To have fun house with no electricity or toilets and
fighting stress. Yeah, no fucking alcohol, I'm sure, tons of bibles. Okay,
So everybody recovers. But and they recover just in time
for their uncle John Morris to visit, and they think
he was there to discuss the property transfer issue.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Okay. So it's August fourth, eighteen ninety two.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Okay, and uh so that morning, after breakfast, Andrew and
Uncle John they're in the sitting room and John decides
he's gonna go head into town and buy a pair
of oxen. He's just like, I'll be right back. I forgot,
I have to go pick up a couple of oxen.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
I forgot.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I gotta go to the bodega right real quick and
just grab two huge oxen and bring him back.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Anyone want to eat? Cho Bonnie? You in there.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
And he takes cookies. Yeah, ogre just just the oxen, okay, okay.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
He's also gonna go visit another niece uh in Fall River.
So he says he's going to be back at noon,
and Andrew goes for a morning walk.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
This is around nine am.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Lizzie and Emma are supposed to clean John's guest room
because that's the one.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Of their chores. Their chores. They're thirty two and thirty.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Four and have so much fucking money.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
They have a ton of money.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
No one will actually let them touch and they have
to pee in a field.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Still, go make the bed.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
So Emma's gone away to visit friends and Lizzie's not
anywhere to be found. So Abby goes up to clean
that guest room sometime between nine and ten thirty am,
and as she's changing the pillowcases, she is struck on
the side of the head, just above the ear with
a hatchet, causing her to fall face down on the ground.
And then she's struck with that hatchet eighteen more times

(25:45):
on the back of the head, killing her. It says
that the sentence turns out it kills her. Was it
the seventeenth It was somewhere around twelve is what I heard.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Shit, man, it's all theory. That is what we here
at lawn order call. They were killed. That's right.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
There's a personal issue here. There's a rage issue here.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay, but they don't know any of that yet because
this is before police work was invented.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Andrew gets back from his walk, but the front he
goes to open the front door with his front door key.
It won't work, so he knocks the Irish maid. Maggie
comes down. She tries to unlock the door. She finds
that it's jammed, and then she claims that she heard
Lizzie laughing on the stairs, but she looks around and

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she doesn't see her.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
There.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Where's page three?

Speaker 6 (26:40):
There?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
It is? Fuck?

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Why is page three? After page four? He has nothing
to do none. It's actually probably been so small no, okay. So,
according to Lizzie, she had been out in the barn
looking for as we all do, you know during the day,
when you're a lady walking around looking for a piece

(27:02):
of iron.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Okay, I feel like that got lost in translation at
the past hundred years, right, So like it made sense then, yes.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
At the time she said something specific that made sense
and was people were like, oh god, goad good right now,
It's just like what she was out touching pitchforks, like.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Looking for a piece of iron back then was like
an innuendo, like it was changing my you know.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Say it tampon?

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, did they have that? They didn't have those. It
was changing the cumbersome fucking diaper I had to wear
when I got my period.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Essentially I was out in the red tent.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, Okay, So she's out looking for iron, you know,
your morning ritual.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
I can't wake up without my iron.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
So when she comes back into the house, she tells
her father that Abby, the stepmother, had gotten a note
from a sick friend, and so she left the house
to go call on that friend, and then she helps
her father. She this is what she tells police later
that she brings her father over to the couch and
helps him pull off his boots and gets settled on
the couch because he's going to take a nap.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
So then she tells Maggie that there's a sale at
the department store and why doesn't she go.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Check it out?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
And Maggie, who probably makes eleven cents a week, is like,
why you go fuck yourself. Actually, but as I have
to go scrubshit.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
In an Irish accent.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Okay, ah, why did you go fuck yourself? Thank you
something like that, Thank you, thank you Jesus. Lizzie Barden
tell me to go shopping.

Speaker 7 (28:51):
Grandma, my grandma, Grandma came.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I was just possessed by my psychic grandma.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Maggie's like, I actually still don't feel bad from when
we all got poisoned last week. So I'm going to
go take a nap. And she goes up to her
third floor. Looked like an attic room, and she goes
and takes a nap. So she's resting, and she then
hears Lizzie screaming from downstairs. Maggie, come quick, father's dead.

(29:22):
Somebody came in and killed him. Yeah, yeah, you say
it all like that at once when something like that
happened here, Ye, Maggie, come quick.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
The father's dead.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Somebody came to the front door.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
It was jammed earlier, but then we got it open.
Remember them, you're sick last week. Well we were poisoned though,
but we were all sick. Remember Anyway, somebody came in
a stranger from not from Fall.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
River, probably from another town. Come quick, my father died.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know there's a movie of this coming out. There's
a movie coming out with Chloe seven.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Ye I believe I love her. It looks it's good.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
She can be creepy, Yes she can, and she can
do that stare.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I guess she can. Oh yeah, it's already out. Is
it out? There's a theater critic here.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
We have to leave this show and go watch it immediately.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Okay, So Maggie comes down. She finds Andrew is.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Slumped on the couch and he has eleven hatchet wounds.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
To the face.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Into his face, wait in the old face eleven that's
ten in a row, and then one.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
For good measure. Shit out, that's a anger.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I'm not going to put up the picture. If you're
a Georgia, then you're going to look the picture up.
After the show, I was horrifying.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Thinking about how tell me to study that photo?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
It's not good. But here's what's interesting.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
It looks like a man laying on a couch and
who's tried to be funny and just put a bunch
of hamburger on his face. That's essentially what it looks like, well,
I'm not showing it to you, so you can't be mad.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
I'm just giving.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I'm just painting a picture with words, and that's what
I do for a living.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
Okay. Now here's what's interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
When you look at that picture, that crime scene photo,
you will see that Andrew Borden has his boots on.
So there's things things aren't adding up.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Get your story straight, Lizzy, Yeah, that's really your name.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Don't.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Lizzy Andrew, Lizzy Andrew, get in here and get that
story straight.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Okay, so there's details. His nose was cut off entirely, you'd.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Think so with eleven.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yes, yeah, so obviously there was even more screaming after
the fact, and then Maggie runs to get a doctor.
Sadly and ironically, now the neighbors who have have heard intense,
blood curdling screams begin to gather at the house, which
is what everybody used to love to do at crime
scenes back in the day, just come in.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Start walking around.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
So Lizzie goes out and she starts telling all of
them that Abby was out.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Sick visiting a sick friend. She basically keeps talking, explaining.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Shit to everybody as her father is laying on the
couch dead. She also mentions how the family had been
poisoned the week before, or that she thought their milk
was poisoned, how they'd all gotten sick at the same time,
so the police. Maggie finally brings the police back, and
they immediately suspect Lizzie because and this is the thing

(32:39):
that that happens has happened a lot. They she's not
acting like a daughter whose father has just been murdered
with a hatchet. She's very calm and cold and poised.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
But maybe she was like that all the time.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
The other problem is that her story changes with every
police person that she talks to. So first she says
she was walking into the house and then she heard
a noise, But then the next person she talks to you,
she says she came in, she didn't hear anything, and
everything was normal until she found her father. When she's
asked where Abby is, she tells the police that she's

(33:17):
gone to visit the sick friend. But then the next
time she's asked, she changes her story and she says, oh,
I think she's actually upstairs.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Somebody, could somebody go look like, can.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
You finally go find her? I'm sick of putting on
this charade.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yes, so somebody else, could you go look for the
person I know for a fact is.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
A live upstairs.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
So Maggie and a neighbor lady start to walk upstairs
and they get like halfway up the stairs and when
they get eye level with the ground, they can see
into the guest room and they see Abby laying dead
in a pool of blood.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
So there was probably more screaming there.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Now what's weird is even though they suspect her, the
police do not check Lizzie's clothes or hands for blood,
and she tells them that she needs to go lay down,
so they can't really they can only kind of glance
into her room. She won't let them into her room
at all to look around, and they're.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Like, all right, I guess that's just how it is.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
So they do search the rest of the house, and
in the basement they find two hatchets, two axes, and
then a third hatchet head with a broken handle. They
think the broken one might be the murder weapon because
it looks like someone tried to add dust and dirt
to the blade so to try to kind of cover
it up. But still they take nothing from the house.

(34:40):
There's no evidence, there's no They're just like, Okay, I'm
gonna take a picture with my mind, got it, dirty hatchet?
All right, see you guys later. At one point, one
of the officers sees Lizzie and her friend Alice Russell,
who lives in the neighborhood, go into the cellar together
and they both leave the cellar. But then Lizzie goes

(35:02):
into the house by herself, and he thinks he sees
her washing something.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
She's like bent over the sink washing something. He doesn't ask,
he doesn't look. They all leave.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
He's like, hey, I'm gonna myob in this situation. Two
days later, the police they begin a more thorough investigation.
They just had to take a breather and think things through.
Really takes some time for themselves. So they start looking
at all the clothing and they start they inspect the hatchets,
and they tell Lizzie she is now officially a suspect.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
And at some point after.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
This, Alice comes back over the house and she finds
Lizzie and Lizzie is in the backyard burning a dress
and when she right, yeah, so she asks Lizzie what's
going on? And Lizzie says, oh, I got some paint
on this dress, so I can't wear it anymore.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
So I'm just gonna be cool about it.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
And I'm stay Stairstair.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I'm Chloe seven year.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
So Alice gets the creeps and leaves. So on August eighth,
they take Lizzian. The police take Lizzian for questioning. I
don't know if they could have come to her house.
I'm not sure if they had a police station.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
Or with the set of what.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
They go somewhere.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
They take her in conceptually, I don't know where. She
asks for attorney, they refuse. I guess they could do that.
Back then, all the rules were different. It was totally
opposite year. And at one point she freaks out so
bad that she's they have to give.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Her a shot of morphine fine.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
So so as you'd imagine that has that affects her
testimony when they begin to question her. She can't really
track what she's saying, and she's contradicting herself, and uh,
she's a little erratic, maybe kind of sleepy. She says
she was on the stairs. Then she says she never
went up the stairs. She says she took her father's

(37:06):
boots off. They show her the crime scene photo where
his boots are on. Eventually, the investigators discover that the
day before the murders, Lizzie had tried to buy something
called prussic acid otherwise known as cyanide, at the drug
store in town, but the clerk told her that she

(37:26):
needed a prescription for.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
My doctor. Says, I need this, oh my bones.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
It was either back then, it was either if you
had an illness or an ailment of any kind, you
either got cyanide or cocaine.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Those were your two choices.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Sometimes you'd get them together and oh fucking party, speedball.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Okay, So there's a trial. On August eleventh, a warrant
is served. Lizzie's arrested for the murder of her parents,
five days before the trial begins. That I find this
to be so fascinating. I didn't know this before. Five
days before the trial begins, there's another axe murder in

(38:10):
the area. Yes, and that suspect goes to trial and
is convicted, but the police say that the man was
not in the Falls River area at the time of
the Borden double murder. Did I say Falls Fall? Sorry,
it's very late, so they say he's not around. But

(38:32):
I just think that's the most what is bizarre coincidence?

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Copycat?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, I don't know, Okay. So Lizzie Borden's trial begins
June of eighteen ninety three. Of course it's a media sensation.
They compare it now to like it was like the
OJ trial of the day. It's all anybody talked about.
There were reporters in this tiny town, from New York,
from Boston, all these people packing the courtroom, and so

(39:00):
the prosecution just brings the facts. Here's the broken hatchet
head that was found in the basement. Alice Russell gets
up testifies about Lizzie burning the dress. There's different, there's
you know, all the places Lizzie says she was are
brought up, all the all her conflicting stories. But Lizzie
maintains when that she was in the barn at the

(39:24):
time of the attacks. A witness named Hymen Lubinski, he says,
I mean, what.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Can we do? It was the past.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
He says he saw Lizzie leave the barn at eleven
o three a m. And Charles the gardener confirms it.
I guess he doesn't have a last name. At eleven ten,
Lizzie called to Maggie downstairs or upstairs saying that her
father had been killed. So they're trying to put the

(40:02):
timeline together of where she actually was. And there was
a lot of dramatics in the courtroom, of course, and
at one point when it is revealed that Abby and
Andrew's heads were removed for the autopsy, Lizzie faints dead
away in the courtroom. All together, the trial last two weeks,
which is actually really short, and then when the jury

(40:25):
goes out, they're only out for one and a half hours,
and then they come back with the verdict and they
find Lizzie Borden not guilty.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
She's acquitted of this crime.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
It seems like a lot of people don't know that,
but the jury found her not guilty. So when she
was leaving the courthouse, she told the press, I am
the happiest woman. And she told them, I'm the happiest
woman in the world.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Can't you tell I'm smiling now.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
What's crazy is because of the wonderful children's rhyme that
we all learned and the legend, Lizzie remained the prime
suspect in everyone's mind basically to this day and she's
been memorialized basically as an axe murderer. And why do
people believe so strongly that she did it. There's lots

(41:21):
of theories, and there was lots of kind of good reasoning.
First of all, it's all the personal elements of the
murders that you know, a hatchet to the face, to
the head, it's obviously somebody that had a lot of
rage and wanted revenge, or you know, the attack was
personal theorizing, so obviously she could have done it for
the money.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
She had a lot. She used to inherit a ton
of money from her.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Father, and clearly if he was like parsing out the
millions to his new wife, then then that meant her
inheritance was getting smaller. There was also a theory she
was being physically and sexually abused by her father, which
would then track with the viciousness of the attack. There
was also a rumor that Lizzie was having a tryst

(42:05):
with Maggie, the Irish maid, and that's right, and then
and because of that, Andrew and Abby or one or
the other were witnessed to that, and they had to
get rid of the witnesses. But none of those are
proven to be true. That's just all theory and or
gossip around the town. So the bord and sisters get

(42:27):
their inheritance because she's Lizzie's acquitted and after the trial
they buy a huge modern house in the Hill neighborhood
of Fall River and name it fuck you Dad, Jesus,
fuck you Dad manor. They hire a full staff. They
just like live large up in their manor house. Lizzie

(42:49):
begins calling herself Lizabeth, like a college sophomore that goes
to France for one semester.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
But everyone's into sounds.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Like you're fucking Lizzie Borden and you killed your father
with forty whax of an axe, so get the fuck.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Out of Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
So she is ostracized by society, and then in nineteen
oh five, her and her sister Emma get into a
fight and Emma moves out of their mansion on the
hill and the sisters never see each other again. Uhh yeah.
So Lizzie Borden died of pneumonia on June first, nineteen
twenty seven, at the age of seventy four, and only

(43:29):
a couple people attended her funeral.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Her sister Emma died nine days later. Yeah, that's not sad.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
They're buried next to each other now in Oak Grove Cemetery.
And that is the legend of Lizzie Borden.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Damn Sam.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
For more accurate information, you can also watch the Christina
Ricci series that was on.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Christina Ricci has a really creepy like stare at the
forehead as well. She works that she can work that costume.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Sure that party down the middle bank she.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
That's someone who can work the part down the middle.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
It's right, Okay, that was incredible, great job.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
Thanks so much, Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
You don't do you not think she did it?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Like I kind of don't care, but I like the rhyme.
I think it would make sense. It's such it seems
like it was such an oppressive household, like deva fathered
has millions of dollars and won't get fucking electricity, Like
just as someone who's my father would not buy us
Atari when we were growing up and we weren't poor.

(44:40):
He just wouldn't do it, like on principle. And then
finally one Christmas he got us a used pong like.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Machine, which is an Atari.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Kids no pong is like cave man Atari pong is
just tennis. It's it's lines, it's like two l's playing
a game against each other. It was so long after
that one, right, yeah, yeah, and we were just like why, like,
what do we ever do to you?

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, so imagine electricity.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Imagine knowing how mad I was about the pong, this
seems like it's very very possible.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
And also just there's things.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
There's things about it, like the fact that everybody got sick.
I think maybe she was trying out a couple things
and maybe that fight and there was just things building.
I also think back then women just didn't It was
like she didn't get married, you know, she was a
Sunday school teacher. Just all of her life was really oppressive,
obviously very dedicated to the family. So it's just like

(45:40):
she went off and she just snapped. It seems like
maybe or maybe she's just a victim because she just
doesn't react to anything, and people hate that.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah. Well, and that's our take. That's the part of
the podcast called and that's our take.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Our take is we don't know. Our take is I'm
sure someone wrote a great book that's going to exp
plane exactly why it's one way or the other.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
But I didn't read it.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
This is I'm going to do the Eastern Airlines hijacking
a flight thirteen twenty whoa, no, I love a fucking
crazy ass hijacking. Hell ya, all right, okay, clear it.
Here we go warm up that instrument. So let me

(46:29):
just give you some an overview.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Please do my history.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
When the government started to oversee aviation in nineteen fifty eight,
hijacking wasn't a crime yet, and the early airports were
designed in a way that made it so you could
just go on in and bring whatever you want on board.
You just walked right through on the tarmac and onto
the plane. You didn't even fucking buy a ticket.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
You didn't have to put your cigarette out.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
No, they were like, please smoke on the planet. That
helps it rise up in the air.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Wait, what do you mean you didn't buy a ticket?

Speaker 3 (46:59):
You get you get on it's like a train.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
You get on the plane and then they're like tickets,
tickets and you and you pay for your ticket from
your fucking seat.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
I swear, I swear I read this. I don't know if.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
It's true on the internet.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
It's true on the internet. Isn't that insane?

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Yeah, that's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
So the uh uh yeah, so the.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Stewardess are called at the time, which is a fucking
outdated term.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
We all know.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Uh good cat, you just think you So you would
just go and they'd give you a ticket, no ID,
nothing like that. You just paid for your ticket, and
they were like great. And hijacking wasn't considered a serious
threat by the airlines or the passengers, so it started
happening and it was almost like a prank. Like it
was basically like when the dude who would like.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
The streaker who would run on the fucking field.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
It was like that guy, you're slowing the game down,
but you're funny.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Like stop it.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
So they it would just be people who wanted to
go places and they would hijack the plane and just
be like, take me to Cuba was a normal thing,
and they would take them there and everything would be fine.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Like who are from to?

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Really from? I don't know anywhere. It was.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
It was kind of seen as an inconvenience more than
anything else. They would be like, oh, great, we're going
to Cuba.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Okay, honey, we got hijacked. I want to be like
three hours late exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
And there was actually an Italian American dude who hijacked
a plane from Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
He made them take him to Rome.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
When he arrived, he was hailed as a hero by
all the Italians. They refused to extradite him, yes, because
they were like this fucking guy, and he was also
incredibly hot, so they fucking cast him in a spaghetti western. Yes,
because that's how hijacking was. Yes, so it wasn't no
one gave a shit.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
What move is that clinics would? Is that how clinice
would got his start.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
There's a ninety nine percent Invisible podcast episode about hijacking
that talks about this stuff. Eventually, the hijackers start to
become more like classic kidnappers to ransom, so they were like,
we better do something about this. So in nineteen sixty eight,
the FAA created an Anti Hijacking Tax Task Force to

(49:08):
come up with solutions because the airlines were like, we
don't want to spend all this money. It's going to
cost so much money to check people and make sure
their hijackers are not so let's all think of a
better solution. And they were like, Hey, the public feel
free to fucking throw in your suggestions as well. Oh really,
they were like, we want to hear it.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
They took calls, they took calls.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
They came up with shit like what if we do
a fake airport that we pretend is Cuba but it's
really here in Florida, and then we arrest and when
they get off, they're like too expensive. Perfect, And then
someone was like, how about an ejector seat for the hijackers? Yeah,
not fucking kidding, or a seat where like a you
get a shot of morphine, comes up and shoots the

(49:51):
hijacker with sleeping pills, and shit was this?

Speaker 4 (49:54):
These were all the ideas from a fifth grade classroom.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
That's right, Spider Man, how about Spider mank come then?

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Okay, So then none of those worked, and uh yeah
they did. So one fight was hijacked in nineteen sixty nine,
and this is how little people, how not seriously people
took it. In nineteen sixty nine, it was hijacked from
Newark to Miami. And this is there's an episode of
Radio Lab that talks about this. The host of the

(50:25):
show Candid Camera, you guys know that popular show, Alan Funt,
was on board with his family.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
The fucking the plane gets.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Legit hijacked, and when the passengers see Alan Fund, they're like, oh,
you got us, And when they're like, this is a
prank show, and even when the hijackers come out of
the cockpit they all applaud and holding an actor, they're like,
you can't and Alan Fund's like, I swear to fucking god,
this is not a prank. He's the only him and

(50:53):
his wife and kid are the only ones who know.
It's not a prank, that's a hijackers.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
That's okay. First of all, how fucking hilariously frustrating for.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Those hijackers where the yeah, you'll get everybody get down
and they're like, fuck, yeah, you can't ool me.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
I recognize you.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's a great episode of right Now called Smile. My
ass is that it's really funny. That's so good, that's right.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
And so it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Until the plane actually landed in Havana instead of Florida
and the fucking plane is surrounded by Cuban military officers
that people finally believed it wasn't, which is like, if
something like that is happening, I want to believe it's
a joke until it's not anymore.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yes, you know what I mean, like what a great way?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yes, Like you mean like when we were flying here
today and the plane just went like this real quick
it went, and.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
I was fucking studying this, but I couldn't tell you that.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
I couldn't let you know. I was like, yeah, I
was scary.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Because I'm studying hijacking right now.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
All it was.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
It was scary, but it was scary in that way
where I went like everybody went like that, and then
but then it was just completely normal as if it's happened.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
And then I was just like, please, don't have a
panic attack.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I was like begging my brain, like just stay in
this mode right now and don't just don't think about
how that felt.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Well, it was what I do every time, and I'm
sure everyone else does, is look at the flight attendant.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
Is she cool?

Speaker 3 (52:13):
She's cool, She's cool, Okay, then everything.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
If she's going like this, then I'm like gonna have
a panic attack if she's still getting like.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Cups and stuff.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
She did not miss a beat. She was just like whatever, yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Got these assholes out up here, so okay.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
So this is what hijackings were like in UH and
that's how things stood on March seventeenth, nineteen seventy, Saint
Patrick's Day, your favorite holiday. Everyone here, Boston. So that's
when March seventeen, nineteen seventy, when the first death caused
by air piracy and US history took place in Massachusetts airspace.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Wow? Yeah, so here we are. Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
So seven thirty pm Eastern Airlines Flight A flight bound
for Boston from Newark, New Jersey, takes off with sixty
eight passengers.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
New work.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
I have to burp, excuse me, shit, edit that head out.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Of your brains please.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
So it's sixty eight passengers and five crew members are aboard.
Everything is totally normal until shortly after takeoff, they're passing
over Franklin. And when about thirty miles south of Logan Airport,
when the flight attendant comes around to collect the ticket money.
You want to buy a ticket for this plane you're
already on.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, exactly what happens when you're like, I don't have
any money, Well, well then you better go smoke in
the bathroom, I guess.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
She gets to a man named John J. Davivio davvo.
Excuse me. He tells the flight attendant that he doesn't
have any money for the fifteen dollars seventy five cent ticket. Wow,
long ago, it's seventy I don't have today's money how
much that is, but I'm sure it's not the seven
hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
It would cost today's gonna say huh.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
I started saying seven hundred dollars, Oh my good.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
He says I don't have the money and asks to
speak to the pilot, and then pulls out a thirty
eight caliber Revolver dang so. John Deavivo is a twenty
seven year old who lived with his family in New Jersey.
When he was sixteen years old, eleven years before, he
had shot himself in the head in a suicide attempt.
He survived, but the bullet remained lodged in his skull,

(54:38):
and as a result, his behavior had become.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
More and more erratic over time.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
I bet so fucking happens eventually leading up to this
hijacking eleven years later, and he boarded the plane wearing
a chain necklace with a skull and bones ambulet on
it cool, which I'm sure every like half the people
you are wearing, but back then it was fucking weird.

(55:05):
The flight attendant brings Davi uh the sky. John Davivo
to the cockpit, which was being manned by Captain John
Robert Wilbur Junior.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
He's thirty five years old.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
He's an Air Force pilot who had only been promoted
to captain six months prior, and he is with his
co pilot, First Officer James Hartley, who's thirty. The Captain
Wilburg calmly says to the flight attendant, Okay, uh please
let all the passengers know everything is fine and nothing
is wrong. We put on your flight attendant face. Yes

(55:36):
and uh so she goes back and then the captain
and his co pilot. They expect Davivo to demand to
be taken to Cuba, because that was like where everyone
wanted to go at the time when they hijacked a plane,
But instead Davvo tells the captain to fly east until
they run out of gas.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Yeah, that's a bad fucking plan.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
No, it's bad. After they were like, great, we'll do.
But after about fifteen minutes, the captain said told him
that they'd crash into the Atlantic if they didn't return
to Boston for fuel. So they because they had been
on their final approach for landing at the moments. They
didn't have a lot of gas fuel gas.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
I'm sure it's just done leading right.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Yeah, so davvouh he says. He says, okay to the
refueling trip, but as soon as the plane starts to turn,
he gets spooked somehow, and.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
He abruptly shoots Officer Hartley in the chest.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Oh shit, and shoots Captain Wilburt twice, one in each arm.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
I know, no it's bananas.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Those are his steering arms, I know, crucial to flying
a plane.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Right. Officer Hartley collapses, but despite being he's the one
who got shot on the chest, despite being mortally wounded,
he fucking recovers enough to rip the gun from Davvo's hand,
fucking shoots him three time.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Sorry, this is a lot of gunfire for a plane
that is still a mirror.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
And then he lapses into unconsciousness and dies. Oh shit,
what how have we never heard about that?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I mean, what a way to go out to You're
just like fucky fucking yes, he da Vivo is wounded.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
He slumps between the seats, but he's able. He's able
to fucking this is like a magic lane. He's able
to fucking revive himself. He starts he doesn't have his
gun anymore, but he starts clawing at Captain Wilbur, attempting
to grab the fucking steering wheel and force it to crash.
Fucking this okay, cut, Let's take a break for a second. Yes, please,
deep breath everyone.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Meanwhile, does anyone want a snack?

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Cigarette? How about a cigarette?

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Snacks? Snacks?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Oh? Yes?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Meanwhile, back in the plane, this this passenger, Peggy McLaughlin.
She's a nineteen year old Boston college student at the time.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Yeah, so she's not fucking around.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
She says that they were only dimly aware of the
life or death battle going on in the cabin. That
the passengers didn't even know what was going on. They
heard a commotion. Someone said it sounded like a like
a let's say, like a fake gun.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Pop pop gun.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Sure, cap gun, I can thank you.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
They didn't know what was going on they and didn't
realize they were in the midst of attempted hijacking until
the shots rang out.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
And that's something.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
When they heard that some people dove from their seats
to the floor and that the flight had they realized
the flight had veered off course because they found themselves
flying over the back bay. Peggy thought they were going
to land in the harbor, so she fucking starts taking
her boots off, like ready to fucking swim, always ready,
that Peggy, that's right, And you know there was probably

(58:47):
some hot, like sexy nineteen seventies boots.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
And then she's like, I might as well change in
my suit while we're doing this.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
It's basically yeah. So meanwhile, let's go back to the cockpit.
So so Wilburt, Captain Wilbur, he he's fighting with fucking Davvo.
He grabs the gun that had fallen to the ground,
hits the viva over a fucking head with it, so
doing him beats him with a pistol while continuing to

(59:15):
fly the fucking plane.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
And those are those are bullet arms.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Fucking both of his arms are shot.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Then Captain Wilbert radios the tower and says, my co
pilot is shot.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Where the hell do you want me to put this thing?
So hot? So hot, so hard. He doesn't even mention
that he's shot at all.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
He he so so now Davivo is unconscious and despite
being shot in both fucking arms, bleeding badly, Captain Wilbur
is able to write the plane which because it had
plunge during the struggle. Yeah, and then safely lands safely
in smoothly lands the fucking aircraft.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
They can't do that sometimes when we're just coming into.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Las Yeah and everything is fine, Yeah, smoothly at Logan.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
He fucking lands that thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yes, he does.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Bananas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
The entire event took place in only only ten to
fifteen miles away from Logan International Airport at an altitude
between three and five thousand feet. Oh nothing, No, it
is not once a plane safety on the ground. If
Viva was arrested and charged with murder, he sent to
Bridgewater State Hospital for mental evaluation.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
You can cheer for Bridgewater State Hostile.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
We have a whole group from there tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Great welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
He's taken for a mental evaluation. But basically they're like,
fuck this shit. And he's taken to Suffolk County Jail
at Charles Street and there no trial would take place though,
because on Halloween nineteen seventy, while awaiting trial for air
piracy and murder, Davivo hangs himself in a cell. Peggy McLaughlin,

(01:01:11):
our nineteen year old booted.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
Girl, please tell me she marries the cat.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Oh no, that would be so cute.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Sang, We'll make it that way in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Yeah, she's played by Chloe seven Yet yay. She becomes
a librarian and a yoga instructor.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I'm megazing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
And she doesn't fucking talk about this for decades, Like
it was a time period where they were like, you
got great, you don't need therapy, the end, goodbye, that's it.
Don't talk about it ever again.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Best if you don't tell anyone, right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yeah, she said one time the FBI stopped by after
to ask her questions about it, and then she never
fucking spoke about it again until when Captain Sully landed
the boat not a boat, It was a boat, but
at first it was a plane and landed in the Hudson.
And then she's like, you know what, I have a
story to fucking tell too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Oh you like landing planes in an emerge?

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
I got a story.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Great, But she says that the memory had never left her.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Of course. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
So James Hartley and Captain Wilbur were proclaimed heroes, and
on March twenty fourth, nineteen seventy, the US Senate passed
a resolution that commended them both for their quote extraordinary
heroism and competence. Now retired Captain Robert Wilbur, the captain,
says the Captain Captain Albrobert, the Captain, I wrote.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
He says he doesn't think about it that often.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
But Peggy eventually wrote a letter to him thanking him
for saving her life.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Ken they fell in love. No no, he and Wilburt.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Captain Wilbur insisted that he was just doing his job
and that James Hartley was the hero and that to
you guys. As the Eastern Airlines hijacking a flight thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Twelve, it was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
How crazy is that?

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Okay, it was amazing. It's like, isn't that long?

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I just hate when I find out how much how
many things I don't know. There's just so many things
in that story where I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
Like, wait, what what crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Like a train you just get on and then you
pay while you're on the plane.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Stupid fifteen seventy there was on a planet the plane
that we flew out here on. I went into the
bathroom and they had an ash tray in the door.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
It's so scary when that happens.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
It's so scary. You're like, how fucking old.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
Is this right? It happens.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
It's a We go on a lot of planes and
you the majority of them still have ashtrays. Yeah, and
that we're here tonight to petition.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
We need to start cycling those fucking things out for.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
That to stop, or let's just start smoking on planes again.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
But I don't want to see. Yeah, it's terrifying.

Speaker 7 (01:04:01):
Do we do?

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Actually?

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Let me pick my various undergarments out of the places
they're not supposed to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Be standing up, all right, Karen, And I think it's
really important that you listen to me right now because
there are people I say this part and people do
not listen. They don't and then they get picked and
then they do a thing that I asked them not
to do, and everyone in the room doesn't like them
because of that, and it's not good.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
So listen to what I'm telling you right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
When we do hometown murderers and we're in the city,
we like it when it's a local story.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
So the state is good. Local is good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
We love accents. We want to hear something from what
happened around here.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
That'd be great.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Also, of course, I think you guys know this. It's
good if you're not so drunk you can't follow your
own line.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Of logical like the top two rules.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
It's pretty important. It's very nervous to be up here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Once you get up here, there's like a you think
you're fine at first, and this wave hits you. Then
your mind goes blank. You start remembering weird shit you
did in high school. There's a whole there's a whole
experience to it, so you might think you have it
in the pocket. Just make sure it's good when your
story has a beginning, a middle, and and end.

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Usually it's good when the the end pays off. So
like our last hometown was amazing because it had this
awesome ending, So that's I always recommend that. And then
finally it's uh, just remember everyone in the room hates
you because you got picked, So make it quick, all right,
And now George is going to pick here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
You I think you out do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I want Karen to do it because they get you.
Guys got this face and it hurts me and my
soul and she can't see anything, you know, cause you
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
You look at them too much. It's more of a psychic.
It's an Italian psychic. Grandmother thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Show me how you have to do, Show me how
it's done.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Could you bring the lights up a little bit if
it's possible, we'll.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Just look at them. You can't do it, rich bitch?

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
Is the balcony?

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Crazy fucking fools? Yeah? Come on?

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Is it this one?

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Vince is right there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Yeah, walk over here. I mean I like your spirit
and everything is nice. Did you think you are just
gonna jump down?

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
The thing is? We called you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
We called the balcony rich at the last show, So.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
You just called the rich bitch?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
What's your name is?

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Vince?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Thank you? Tabby?

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Come on like him? Here?

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
What's your name? My Tabby? Here's a microphone. This is Tabby? Everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Oh good lawyer Claire Bob's Burgers my favorite murder us.

Speaker 7 (01:06:55):
That's my podcast. Where are you from? New Bedford?

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Okay? Is that year? Nice?

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Check?

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Check? Okay.

Speaker 7 (01:07:04):
So this is like still an ongoing thing that's going on.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
But this is the murder of shit.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
And she was the first person that was murdered this
year in New Bedford.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Yeah, the case is still going.

Speaker 7 (01:07:20):
But on January twenty second, around two am, she was
found outside of her home screaming.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
She wasn't dead yet.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Sorry, and we're not laughing about that part. Yeah, no,
more nervousness and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:07:39):
She was stabbed multiple times. It actually ended up being
over forty nine times by her neighbor because her neighbor
didn't like how loud she played her music or her dog.
She had, like an emotional support dog that was like
small and yeppy named Lolita, and it was too loud,

(01:08:03):
so he decided to stab her. Jesus, yeah, super bad.
And they texted each other like days before, and they
actually like use the texts as evidence and stuff, and
they talked about how like they were gonna beat her
up and stick his like pit bulls apparently on her.

(01:08:24):
But both her and her dog were stabbed and she
unfortunately did not make it, but her dog did survive, so.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Loalia lived.

Speaker 8 (01:08:36):
Tappy, everybody, great job, great job that right, thank you,
Oh my god, you guys. These two shows have been unbelievable, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
I truly think this has been the least drunk yelly crowds.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
She was the we've ever.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Had incredible well, like you know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
It feels like everyone's listening intently, like just right there listening.
It's such a great feeling. Thank you not you know,
it's not like you guys have a bad reputation or
anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Or ply Brooklyn last night with canned wine, so that
might have been our own fault. But yeah, you guys,
these two shows have been so much fun. And the
fact that we sold out three fucking shows these shows,
thank you so so much for supporting us. We're so
freaking lucky to be here and to be part of this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
We're very every time the ticket sales start and then
people start tweeting us with insanely angry messages about how
they didn't get tickets.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
And what we need to do about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
We really take it as a huge compliment because it
is a very uh this thing that's happening with this
podcast is just very rare, and it's very very special.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
You guys have started.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Your own community, You're connecting with each other. It's just
it's incredible, and we're really honored to be doing this
with you. It's you know, it's really a beautiful thing
to see and we really really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
We hope you know that we are so so grateful
that we get to be here with you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
We really are. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yes so Boston, stay sexy.

Speaker 7 (01:10:23):
And.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Good night you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Thank you,