260 - Unwashed & Unabashed

On this week’s episode, Karen and Georgia cover the murder of Lana Clarkson by Phil Spector.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's Georgia Hartstar. That's Karen killed Gera And that's me
Me and Mimi's on my lap because she's she screaming
right when we started.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Mimi has something to say this week, and I think
we should just hear her out for oncet'.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
See if I get her to talk maybe Ami Tusha.
Oh yeah, there there she is, that cat loud with it.
She said, are the greatest puppies? What she was saying, Oh,

(00:55):
I got to send you the video of the puppy.
Just don't trying to play with Mimi. It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
And did she eviscerate him emotionally completely?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I bet emotionally and a good old wallet on the nose? Oh,
I know, I know. Well, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Good? Good? You got a good librarian, like sexy librarian
like going today? Thank you. I'm trying to seduce you.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I might as well say I didn't take a shower
and I pulled my hair back into tight bun.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
So what gets that? You know? I know, I mean business.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
You know that's my type.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
You know that's your favorite and washed and unabashed guarantee,
do you that's me? In a nutshell. I think it
was one of those days. Uh, just know what it is.
I keep cleaning out.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I keep piece by piece cleaning out my garage, which
I'm very.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
You've been doing this for a while, So your garage
my be.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I basically took all the boxes that were moved from
my other house. Like I think we weren't. I want
to say we were on the road, but that can't
be true, but we were.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
So my house was boxed up and moved to the
new house.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
And so Steven's like, yes, I can, I can confirm
that happened to you.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
So, yes, that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
And so basically my entire garage was just filled, entirely
filled with boxes. So and I was fine with that,
even though I was like, this is very symbolic. Don't
just have a bunch of boxes of your old life
downstairs that you're just letting sit there. Yeah, And also
I let that's them sit there for like over nine months,

(02:41):
So I was like, you clearly don't need anything that's
down there, throw it up. But I did know there
was a couple of things that I had to go
through the boxes because there would be a couple of
things where I'm like, oh, thank god, I didn't throw
this away, one of which was my clotter ring, which
was in my family. All the girls got it's the
it's the I was friendship ring where it's the two
hands holding your heart.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I didn't know that that's what it's called.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, it's called the clattering.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
And all the girls in my family got them when
they turned sixteen, and that we were doing it in
the eighties before it got really trendy eat whatever.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
But mine, I liked it first. Mine.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I had lost it and found it a couple of
times it broke. There's like a whole drama behind it,
and I'd finally found it again. So that was one
of the I had to find that before I threw
boxes away.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Just entirely. Can I just throw boxes away? I mean I.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Wanted to because I was just like, it doesn't if
I haven't missed it, then how important could it be?
Marie Condo style? I wanted to be like that panic attack.
But I am a hoarder, so that's fine. I mean,
but don't you think we all are in that way
where you think I was sending you pictures of like
I literally have folders from when I was a camp counselor.

(03:54):
Like I remember I sent you that thing where it
said look and listen.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
All that and I was like, look at this.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, like there stuff like that where it's like, sure
it means a lot to me, but it isn't maker,
bra It isn't crucial.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Maybe it's just clothes to me because the amount of
clothes I have and the difficulty I have giving them
away is so And it's also I'm sure because as
a kid, I only got hand me downs and now
I'm like, and I'm gonna collect all the clothes.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Fuck you you know.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, So it's like and I yeah, I have a
thing about clothes.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Well, and I think sometimes I would There's some shirts
I remember having and I would kill two have more.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I actually I.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Found my Pat Venatar concert shirt that I used to
wear in the like late nineties.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, it was just in one of those boxes where
I was like, I thought you were gone.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
You know what Vince got me? Can you tell Vince
you want something and he'll just casually go to his
phone and You're like, I know you're getting it for me.
So he got me so as a dream book, I
know he got me the acts of service and gifts
are his love language. He got me the Jane's Addiction
T shirt I wore my first day of high school
with like my ribbed shorts and my ripped fish nets

(05:07):
dog collar. Yes, I thought I was cool and I
ditched the first day of high school to smoke because
I was because I needed a cigarette. I was fiending,
you know. Yeah, he got me the Ritual Daila Habitual
Jan's Addiction shirt and it's nice.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
So yeah, is that the one where it's kind of
like a guy hanging up It almost looks like Crucifixiony.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
No, it's a it's a lady very like beautiful but like.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Flower in her hairly.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, it's okay, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I never I didn't necessary.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
I mean, I loved the hits, I will say that,
but Jane's addition was always the guys that I had
to crush on, like Jane's Addiction, Like that was like
skater boys that had got posters.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, I just they were so creepy to me, and
I knew that what their song Ted just admit it
was about Ted Bundy. So I was like, you know,
in the nineties, as a fourteen year old, it was
very sexy and stuff, and now, of course you're like, ew,
fuck that shit.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, but that's how it was back then. That was
kind of the like if you wanted to be dangerous and.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Running out of graveyards and take edgy photos and graveyards.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
And pretend you like John Wayne Gacy's Arty's garbage. It's
simply garbage. And now we know everybody else was painting
it for him. That's one of my favorite feels modern
re feels is like the other prisoners were painting it
and Johnny Depp's paying seventy thousand dollars for so hilarious.
Oh wait, before we go any further, have you heard

(06:37):
and did you learn that the Dilatov has the dilatoph
Pass mystery has been solved?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, allegedly solved, most most likely solved, definitely solved.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Probably. Yeah. I didn't read the article.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
I was just no matter what you said, I was
gonna devil's advocating the other direction, like it's not it's not.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
True, and I just did it?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Did you read the thing? Is it? It's an avalanche? Right? Yeah,
it's really interesting.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, the guy who basically solved it was showed that
an avalanche was possible because there were all these things
of like well, everything was still standing, so it was
like kind of a mini avalanche in away or some
light avalanche, I don't know, and like the hill below.
It was a short avalanche, right, short, that's the word,
which it doesn't make any sense to me. Oh, I

(07:28):
think that was trouble.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Is that what they called it.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
It was like a small, short avalanche, serious, shallow, shallow something,
one of these words.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
And then they all, you know, escape crawled away and
died from various you know, mostly hypothermia. It's just so
sad and it was like kind of obvious and still
so tragic and like such a crazy mystery for so long.
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
But does that explain is the the parts where weren't
there tongues missing and things like that, And was that
because they were just left to the left.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
To n Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
I mean it's kind of obvious, and I think when
when I covered it, I think that's the conclusion we
came to. But it was, you know, it was a
cool mystery to unravel, so I think that's just what happened.
But I think it's a pretty basic street I.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Don't think anything's possible.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
But at the same time, aliens, you know, I just
wanture say they're out there. I don't know if you
watch Ancient Aliens, but my mom does, and she I
sure do, insists.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
As ancient aliens theorists suggests it's a lot of people
have pointed this out to us, which I kind of
knew anyway, because it's incredibly racist and ridiculous where they're
basically showing ancient cultures and going there's no way they
can do why it doesn't make sense because they people

(08:59):
have been doing that kind of stuff for a hell
of a long time. I have you.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
And then you just point over to Stonehenge. Did you
ever see? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:08):
And then did you see the one the thing about
like you know, what's it called island with the big
stone Easter Island, And they showed these just people today
moving these huge blocks and how they would have done it,
which is rope, and that's it. Yeah, you know, in manpower,
and it's like it's not that hard. We don't actually

(09:29):
need aliens. And at the same time we're probably aliens
to begin with. So yes, aliens did it, but listen,
nothing is real. It's all looking fake. Here's what I
like about the yeah a Easter island story.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Is that one of the theories, because I've seen the
rope thing. And there's another one, which is that they
cut down all the trees on the island and they
made almost like a roller system so they could get
them down to the co sine art or down to
where they were, and basically the king or you know,
whoever was in charge. So I don't know it, king
might not be the right term, but whoever it was,

(10:09):
that was like, it's my it's my decision.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
They kept demanding more and more of these statues, and
they cut down every tree practically on the island so
that they have them, and then basically made it so
that the life.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Was like uninhabitable.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
They didn't have good nature stuff going on on the island.
They did it to themselves.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
And this is why we need to have and we
did join the Geneva Convention.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Is that it This is why the Lorax is one
of the more important books that doctor Sue's ever wrote themselves.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
I'm reading the Tao of Pooh of Winnie the Pooh.
Yeah this is supposed to be epic. Oh, can I
do a corrections? Corner.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Sure I'm correcting, you mean about the conversation.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
We just absolutely the corrections hit all of that out.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Okay, So it's not a correction, more of like a
clarification that I when I talked last week about emotional
support dogs, I kind of overlapped it with service dogs,
which I want to be clear that service dogs are
trained to perform functions for an owner that has that
needs the help, and emotional support animals are just you know,

(11:20):
companion of the owner, and they're not allowed on flights anymore.
Oh really yeah, or like they can't come on for
free or whatever like that. You know, it's tested, it's
not allowed. But on Instagram, Riley Scott four when three
made it clear saying great news, emotional support dogs are
allowed inside cracker barrel and then said, when I was

(11:44):
a waitress there, we had a guy who would put
his dog in a chair across from him and order
him chicken and dumplings.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh I know.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Who's the who's emotional support dogging who and that scenario
chicken and dumplings. I do it for everybody, so that
would be yeah, that's amazing. Well, yeah, that's actually very good.
This discernment is important because service dogs are just like
hero I will help you with your epilepsy. I will

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know when a seizure's coming on. I can guide you
across the street if you're visually impaired, whatever.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
I can bring you a beer when you can't get
up to open the fridge because of your arthritis or whatever. Yeah, sure,
you know.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I've seen that one. I've seen that video. Oh God,
how the dog that go get goes and gets the
beer out of joiner?

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Epic. Here's a great story from the New York Post
that the Brooklyn DA Eric Gonzalez, dismisses two hundred and
sixty two and I'm quoting prostitution related warrants stemming from
chart prostitution charges which his office no longer prosecutes, and
I'm quoting from New York Post. Obviously we say sex workers,

(12:54):
and they stretch back to twenty twelve. However, Gonzalez says
that there are our eight hundred and fifty additional warrants
that were issued between the nineteen seventies and twenty eleven
arising from prostitution charges, which will be vacated in the
near future. Isn't that amazing? And they're saying that the
Brooklyn DA does not pursue cases against people arrested for

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sex work, but instead refers them to services, and they
need to be offered assistance, not criminally prosecuted. And the
state legislature is moving to expunge all twenty five thousand
plus prostitution related convictions in Brooklyn that date back to
nineteen seventy five, saying like, we want to make sure

(13:36):
that instead of criminal to criminal penalties and jails, we're
providing healthcare, mental health care services to get them and
give them better options, and also you know for health care,
and generations of young people's lives are being destroyed when
we could be helping them, said Senator. That's and that's
from Senator Liz Krueger, who's working on introducing the new legislation.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Incredible, amazing, Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
That's New York State, that's brook that's the Brooklyn District Attorney,
ericans Alla is nice. So that's in Brooklyn, which amazing,
epic and historic and a step in the right motherfucking direction. Yeah,
let's do that all over the goddamn country.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, for real, imagine services, let's get back to some
services for human beings.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, I mean, even if it's like you want to
stay working in sex work, which is totally acceptable, at least.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Have some you know, means of help or you know.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
And they say, of course that a lot of sex
workers who experience abuse won't report it because they know
they're going to get prosecuted, which is such a huge issue.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Good news all around.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
A wonderful feel good story, right, A feel good story
from the New York Posts.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
He who Knew? Hey?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
One of my favorite late night scrolls. They just have
some really wacky articles, so always fun. I furnished Bridgerton
thanks to you.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Would you think? Did you? I hate watched it for
a couple of seasons. Attach episodes?

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Episodes? Episodes?

Speaker 3 (15:11):
That's right?

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Secret?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Oh yeah, I didn't. I tell you time isn't linear,
so I hopped forward disease.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
An eighths well, unbelieved, this is an age and alien
the situation.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
I watched it because you said that there was going
to be some hot, raunchy Victorian sex.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
So I stuck with it.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
And you weren't wrong, and then I found myself enjoying it,
so I kept watching it, and then I gasped out
loud at the very ending and text you all excited
about it. So I definitely recommend it. It's like a
good fun distraction watch, right, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Absolutely yeah, But it's not a family watch.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Absolutely not. Do not know children, no parents in the
room with you. No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
There is a plotline in this show that is to
me an old prude from the eighties.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Shocking, that is the plot line.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Oh see, I must not be a brude you have.
That's a spoiler alert, so you have to leave that out.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, yeah, please take that out. Okay, yeah, like the
whole thing.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
But but in like a Jane Austen setting, I was
I kept going, it's got to be me. I'm I'm
I think I'm hearing this wrong. Literally looked it up
on my phone because I was like, this can't actually
be the plot.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Okay, but people who read the book.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Already knew, and that was in the book because the
book is like a modern, you know, retelling of one
of those kind of stories. I thought it was like,
I just thought it was some old that SHAWNA. Rimes
was just bringing back old story I'd never heard.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
No, bringing Gray's anatomy love into the fucking past. Man.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, and our lovely Claire from Dairy Girls.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Oh she kills it.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Just so happy to see her anytime.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
A delight true.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Nicola Colon, Nicola nic Nicola Coughlin, Nicola Coughlin.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, she's great, all right.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
So yeah, I recommend that if you need an escape.
It was helpful in my sanity in keeping it recently.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
If you need, if you need a private escape, I
have one. I have a recommendation that came. I made
a I wrote a tweet the other night and in
the tweet jokingly referenced the Witcher or Witcher might just
be plain Witcher.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
But that's the.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Henry Cavill series that's kind of like, I don't know, spooky, okay,
D and D whatever, fantasy almost But I watched it
and do enjoy it. But my friend Alex Reid, who's
my old friend from stand up comedy in San Francisco,
but he's also a very accomplished a TV writer himself,
and he wrote, if you like Witcher, you will love Britannia,

(17:55):
and so I and I believe it's on Netflix, and
I started watching it and it is so good. It's
basically Britannia, Britannia, Britannica. It's Britannica. It's about it's just
a shot of a bunch of encyclopedias.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
It's very soothing.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Now Britannia it's about the Romans invading Britannia and the
Celts and the Druids live there. And the Druids this
fascinating clan of people that used to live in England,
in the English territories whatever they were called, and they
were kind of like witchy but there it's real.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
But they were like they used to.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
They were said to have had telekinesis, they did magic.
They a lot of their magic was based in oak trees.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
It's this whole I started.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Reading about them because I was so fascinated because it's
actually real. But basically, the Romans came in and got
rid of them all, and so they were kind of like,
you know, the magic people.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
It's a really good series, as.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
It had like Lord of the Ring vibes. That's what
I'm getting.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's like Lord of the Ring for real though, because
it's it's historically based, not perhaps not exactly accurate, but based.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Some liberties are taken. It's good, all right. So what's
that called Britannia. Britannia on Netflix. I have something to
tell you that I've been really excited to tell you about.
You know how I told you about Oh shit, what Stephen?
What was the Instagram? And uh cottage Core Cottage Core.
So remember I told you about Cottage Core all the

(19:35):
like I did Darling tweet stuff and bee keeping that
I was super into. Well sure that I found out
recently that you know there's cleaning that it.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Was a scam.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
No it's not.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
It was three as a pyramid scheme.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
It's real and I love it and I put ten
thousand dollars into it, and I feel like I'm going
to get my return. I the i Bot docs in
Cottage Core and miniature and dollhouses and I'm really feeling
good about it. All right, great, and if you want
to join, you can be in my pyramid anyway.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
There are cleaning influencers, like in I found out that
there are people who like have our specialty cleaners of
like house cleaning. There's this one called it's Ama Ros Cleaning.
I'm a Ross Cleaning, And she's like an influencer, is
like thousands and thousands of followers and like shows you
her favorite like scrub Daddy and here's how to clean this,

(20:29):
and here's the best way to vacuum this, and this
is my favorite this and this is my favorite cleaning
thing of that, and I am obsessed and it's addictive.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, you know, it's funny that it's funny you mentioned
that because when I at Christmas time, when I went
to make a bake a turkey breast for the first time,
I went and looked at my oven and it wasn't
very clean, and I was like, I should clean this,
but I don't know how. You know how a lot
of times you can switch it on your oven is

(20:58):
like self cleaning. I'm like, I don't trust that, yeah,
and it takes like a full day or whatever. And
so I looked up I basically looked up my kind
of oven and how to clean it like quickly and easily.
And there was a woman who was just like, it's
you need you know, baking soda, white vinegars and this, yep,
and she and it really worked.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
It was like it took me twenty minutes.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Well, there are people like, you know, there's like there's like, uh,
workout influencers what's it called when you were you know
and now, yeah, and there's cleaning influencers.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Have you cleaned anything? Have you been influenced in any
way by them?

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I have. I bought all the products she told me
to get, and I've been binging power washing videos too,
So that's.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Like, that is one of my favorite things.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Have you ever seen the ones in the buildings in
New York City when they're doing it in Manhattan and
it's just guys up on like what looked like a
window washing thingy, but instead they're powerwashing the front of
a building, so it's going from dark gray to beautiful
like marble whites.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yes, the best I watched one of like the tenant
had lived in this apartment for forty years and smoked
three packs a day, and they went in there with
a power washer and.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
The walls were fucking yellow.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, like, guy were yellow and they just power washed
it and it was like, oh, even a ceiling was
just gross.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Loved it so good, and they cleaned it all up.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
They fucking power washed. I mean that really everybody loves
it before and after. But with something like that where
you don't have to actually do the hard work of cleaning,
oh yeah, but you still get the satisfaction of the
of the before and after.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yes, there's nothing better.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Nothing, It's so good because my hopefully my life will
never get to the point where I'll have to have
a satisfying power washing situation.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
So I'll just watch other people. You don't know, because
indoor smoking is it can be pretty sax.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
But can you imagine sitting in a New York apartment,
So it's what does it cost four grand month or
some shit like, so.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
It's high me so like it's it's like a smoke box.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yes, I used to do you know what I'm saying.
Can you imagine I did it when I when I
lived there, Like you know it was early twenty ten's right,
it was probably twenty ten or twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
I moved there for a job. I knew four people.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
So on the weekends I would just pull this stool
because it was this tiny kitchen. Yeah, I would put
a pot of water on the stove and just keep
it at a low boil so there was just moisture
in the air. And then I would and then they
I had the window open, and I would wear a
total coat because it was.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, I had the window cracked.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Problem Like that's enough, window cracked and then I would
just smoke and blow it out the window and keep
it so that, like if any smoke went in the air,
the moisture would just bring it back far so it
wouldn't like get me think dirt.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I've never heard of that.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, and when I just fuck it, I just trolled Facebook.
I couldn't get off face. I was just my uh
self rolled.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, you know what you are. You were a fucking
cigarette influencer. You're giving us tips and tricks. You're rolling
your own and you're gonna show us how and all
the tools you love to use. Or just like if
you can't roll yourself, here's what you do, and like
here's the filter I like to use sometimes. Now filter's
now filter and then now filter, you gotta crack your

(24:23):
window this much otherwise it doesn't. So, yeah, you're a
cigarette influencer.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
And then a true sigarette cigarette influencer because then you
can take a picture. You can find a picture of
my old teeth and I had to get them professionally
replaced with fake teeth. A lot of money became so
yellow because smoking is disgusting and terrible for you, and
you shouldn't do it. That's right, but man, it can
be satisfying when you're all alone in the world in

(24:49):
New York City.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Oh, a contemplative cigarette of like this is what I'm
doing tonight.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Fuck you. And that's actually I've told the story a
thousand times. But that's when I got into podcast, right.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
So I would listen to Dave Anthony and Greg Barrent's
podcast Walking the Room, and it was like getting to
hang out with my friends and not getting to talk
and I loved.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
It was the best.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I love it. Oh.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I have one more correction.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Cole Escola from Search Party who I mentioned last week
and adoring them, but I called them he and and
his pronouns are they them?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
So I just make sure I got that clear.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Update update ons update everybody, and I want to make
sure I respect that and clear it up.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Hey, if you don't know, it's not about respect because
you just didn't.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Know, so clearest, an update, I think is an important
sign of respect.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Absolutely absolutely good and a good thing. Just it's it's
a I'm working on the habit of just trying to
default to they.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yes, yes, but.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
It's again I'm from the eighties, so it's a it
is a slight adjustment.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, but yeah, it's usually the just your best bet. Totally, totally.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I was going to tell you about, oh, well, a couple,
but we're still doing TV shows.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I just stumbled on.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Remember when I told you about there was a British
show called Not Safe for Work that I loved, and
I think I made you watch at least one episode.
I'm not sure it's really good if you haven't seen it.
Not Safe for Work is great, But then I also
but I found this. This is basically like a deep
cut because it's from I think it started in twenty eleven,

(26:29):
and it's called Fresh Meat and it's these young and.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
It's it's called.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
It's an old show with young people, my two favorite things.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
And it's called fresh Meat. And they are all at
UNI and it's British Corversity yeap.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
And they're all just roommates, you know, a ragtag group
of roommates. And I was binging it yesterday and it's
good stuff. If anyone's looking for it, I'm doing those
deep cut The British showed deep.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Cuts, did you.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
I hate to ask this because I feel like it's
one of those things where like your friend recommends something
you're like, can you leave me alone about it? Did
you watch The British Shameless, the original Shameless?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yes, remember we were talking about it. You remember you
asked me what neighbor I would or what person I
would be? Yeah, and I was the neighbor. Yes, the
British Shameless is amazing.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
I mean we're still obsessed with it. It's like it's
this fucking best show I've ever seen. It's like one
of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Now, did we discuss I want to know if that
dad character is dyeing his hair, definitely, or if he'd
just you think so.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
In the beginning, he looks like he has a wig
you were saying, right, which I mean, but it doesn't
Later he must have been like had a roll, had
a different role for something else, and how to wear
a wig?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Oh, I do think he dies it, but maybe.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Like that's part of his character because his character is
just a complete fuck up.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, who is his character?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah? It is like kind of a young guy but
then has live in a hard life, So it makes
sense that he would have like kind of scraggly beard,
scraggly face and then.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Young guy hair tried. But it's a good joke.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
And the young actor who's soaked James, who's.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
So hot, who got yes, say you Stephen Sen he
plays He's Stephen whose place his name is Stephen in
it it?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:25):
But he you know, he ends up. He and Fiona
the old space spoiler not spoiler, and real nice got married?
What did the fellow so shameless and got married canon
are now divorced?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's okay?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Spoiler love story, love love it, love love stories loving it?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Should we do exactly right? News? Well, I have one
more roufend day. She's sorry, it's just no, it's just
it's a podcast.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I was I don't know why what I was doing,
but I was just kind of like going randomly through podcasts,
and it was like the ones that were related to
the ones I'd already.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Listened to, like that.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
And I stumbled upon a podcast that's like a kind
of self helpy, oh to me, and I.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Listened to it.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yes, it's called Unfuck Your Brain, but it's not by
the person who authored the book, because I thought it
would be and it's not. And she and it seems
like the book came out and this podcast came out
the same year, so it might totally be things a
thing that very much does happen in the world, which
is just it's a coincidence. But this one is a

(29:37):
series by or sorry, this is a podcast by. The
host is a woman named Kara Lowenheel. I hope I'm
pronouncing that right. And it it started as a pod
like an advice podcast for lawyers.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Wow. Wow, yeah, that's what she was.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
But then as it goes, she basically becomes like a
life coach. And it's basically just kind of of like
good advice on a bevy of different things. If you're
looking for it's real short, like it's I think each
one is like a half an hour with less. Yeah,
and it's really she is such a good writer and
a conceptual.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yes, and here is how you sent me the one
of how to get Confidence, And I listened to it
at thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I was so surprised.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
It was like over already, but it was like such
great simple advice on how to like start. It's you know,
it's a long process and it seems daunting and overwhelming
to fucking get confidence after a lifetime of not having it,
but she makes it so straightforward and simple and it
explains your brain to you of why it's not working. Yeah,

(30:44):
and it's it's great, You're right, You're right. It was great.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's really cool, and I really think it's generous because
she is a she is a like life coach, a
master life coach, and there's lots of life coaches that
have podcasts that are basically giving it away for free
as a way to say and if you want more
of this, then you get I'll coach you separately. So
it's very cool. If you listen to it, then you
have like next options if you have like the money

(31:10):
and the totally but inclination. But if not, there's there.
She has like four years of podcast episodes where you
can go through and find your topic and it's just
really I find her very smart and very so good
at giving advice.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I was blown away.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
That's amazing. I love those the podcasts. Yeah, that was great.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I think you unfuck your brain with Carl low Andiel.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yes, of course cool because I had a couple of
those moments as I was listening where I was just like, oh,
I can actually do this. That's not it's not conceptual
in that way of like you need to tell yourself
and you're great, where it's just like, right, I would
fucking do that, Like that hasn't work on't work well.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
The thing about us is that I feel like and
people with low self esteem is like I don't think
I deserve to like myself and I don't think I
deserve confidence from myself or other people. And so it's
not going to fucking work on me. And fuck you
for trying. Like that works for other people and not
for me. Fuck with you, but it's like no, no,
it's just your brain and your wires are kind of crossed,

(32:12):
and the way you've been trying to get it from
outside sources is just it doesn't work for anyone, not
because you're broken.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, you know, And that.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Idea of these are these thoughts that pass through our head,
they're just that they're just thoughts, and we can't just
give our life over to these thoughts, ideas, feelings that
just come through. We have to be more in charge
and we have to be basically kind of like right
there with the thoughts and then go thank you for
the warning, thank you for the worry, thank you for

(32:43):
the you know, stamping your feet. We're not going to
do that this time. Yeah, And like it's that idea.
I just you know, and I mean like that's also
my therapist talking and a lot of other things. But
Carl Loenthal Loanheal puts it into very simple, listenable kind
of like break it down things.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I was just really.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Impressing, and it's like it works for anyone. It's not
you don't have to be special and like fix but
we're so special. But however, we're specially We're specially broken.
We're especially special in our brokenness. Don't we all love
to be especially broken? That's the best. That's the best way, truly.
I mean, I don't want to be boring broken. That's
like for fucking basics. And I'm not.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I'm special and.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
I'm a flexable, high level my broken able.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yep, you earn that leather jacket, you earn this cigarette
when you're at these knuckle tattoos.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Man, No, not everyone gets to have these. You have
to have a permit.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
When you go to the Chorge's knuckles say special broken.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
I don't know how she fits it on.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
I got extra fingers because I'm especially broken. Okayry that
was a great wreck.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
I'm reading The Invention of Wings by Sue monk Kid
that's k I D D. And she also wrote The
Secret Life of Bees, which was unbelievably great.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I high love your bees. I do love bees. I
highly recommend the invention of wings. Cool.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, so check that out too.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Okay, now we.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Do a little exactly right news. There's some we have
so many great and wonderful shows. We're just going to
highlight a couple of for you right now in case
you haven't caught up to all your er programming this week.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, you can just walk you through it.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
I think we should start with I Saw What You
Did Do It, which is our red radical movie review podcast.
It's hosted by the two incredible women, Milly and Danielle.
Milly is the programmer at the incredible Turner Classic Movies TCM,
which is like one of the coolest channels, and whenever
vinces like, well they are a double feature of this,

(34:51):
I'm like, that's Milly.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
That's Milly, Like she has.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Impeccable frickin' taste and Danielle knows so much about movies
and she's hilarious and they're great friends. I Saw What
You Did actually as a five star rating on iTunes,
which is if you ask us is impossible, but apparently
it's not.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Well, this is we're talking criterion collection level podcasting.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yes, we're here. Hey, that's what's happened. Nice Tian. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
And so they're doing a Black History Month special where
they're focusing their discussions on black directors, actors, and other
artists in the film industry and examining the obviously year
round importance of celebrating and amplifying black voices in the
film community. And to kick that off, they're discussing two films,
Ganja and Hess from nineteen seventy three and Losing Ground

(35:39):
from nineteen eighty two. So make sure you subscribe and
listen to I Saw What You Did and follow them
on at I Saw Pod on Instagram and Twitter, and
they'll tell you what movies are reviewing each week beforehand,
so you can watch those movies before or after.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
You don't even need to fucking watch them, honestly, just
to listen to this podcast because you you'll get the goon.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah. Also on Bananas Are Weird News podcast, Curtain Scottie
are doing basically a live show this weekend. This is
very exciting. You can buy tickets for it's uh the
February sixth.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's coming. I literally don't know what date is.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
I was about to say it's in a couple of days,
and it could be the fifteenth, it could be the second.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I have no fucking clip.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
By the way, before you get fucking angry in their
Instagram feed, they're doing a live web show. It's not
They're not going to be a fucking The Troubadour guys.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
No, no, no, it's streaming. It's completely it's completely virtual.
They're gonna wear masks even though they're gonna be super distanced.
So go to www. Bananas live dot com and go
watch them do a live show. They're both seasoned performers.
It's going to be amazing.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Yeah, load out. It's gonna be love that damn show.
So they're doing so good. They are so good. And
then we have a crossover this week. Two of o
are exactly right podcasts. So Kara Klink from That's Messed Up,
Our SPU podcast is on. I said No Gifts Bridger's podcast,
and so you should check both of those out.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah, that's going to be a delight. Yeah, both a
real nice it is. I love those people.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I love seeing them at parties, which is obviously talked
about our main post criteria for exactly right is do
we like to hang out with them at parties?

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Can how long can you stand with them at a party?
It's over over ten minutes. They get a show on
the podcast and just to slide this one in tenfold,
more wicket Is on their second season, are on Kate
Winkler Dowsin's on her second season talking about serial killers
Burke and Hair really fascinating. They have been at the

(37:46):
top of Apple's True crime charts. This second season is
going like Gangbusters. And my sister told me the other
day that my cousin Stevie, who is like my older brother,
got off the phone with her the other day because
he loves this podcast so much that he wanted to
stop talking to her so he could continue listening to.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
That process, how you know.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
And I said to my sister, I was like, that's
like the opposite of him beating me up every day
after school. That feels so good and about after school
instead of him just beating me up.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Know that we're adults. He can listen to my podcasts.
I love you, Stevie, And.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I want to reiterate speaking of her being on the
top of the true crime charts. Is that please, please,
please rate, review, and subscribe. I know it's just this
thing you hear on every podcast at the end of
the episode, but it's the way that you get on
the charts. And it's also the way they get ad sales,
which is how these free podcasts that you listen to
are able to get ads. It's the way they make money.

(38:46):
It's important to us, even though it's.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
The biz baby be a part of the bid.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
So if you love a podcast, rate review and subscribe,
please and support Also if you love the podcast.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
My favorite murder the one we're doing right now. We've
got a piece of merch that has been sold out
for so long and it is back. It's the here's
the thing mug. It says here's the thing. It's teal
on the side, and then when you turn it up
to sip out of it, it says fuck everyone on
the box.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah. So, anytime you're in those Zoom meetings and you're
just having the worst time ever, you just take a
sip of your coffee and show them what you really think.
It's subtle. And then we also have t shirts and
the koozies are so cute.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I love them.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
And they're all restocked at my favorite murder dot com
in the store and they're ava, So.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Go get your here's the thing merch it is. It
is back for you. That's right? U? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Cool? Well I'm going this week. I'm telling you a story.
I'd love to hear a story from you. Can I
tell you a story, Karen, Sit back with your lax.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I like to hear some tea. Put your hair up.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
All right? So this isn't the news recently, and I
realized I hadn't even considered ever doing it, and I thought,
maybe now it's a good time.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Because of that.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
So this is the Murder of Lana Clarkson by Phil Spector.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh yeah, amazing, Right, I never done that? How we
never done it?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Okay, hopefully we've never.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah. I mean I'm so surprised, like even at an
LA live show doing it, but just never crossed my mind. Okay.
My sources are Patrick Prince for gold Mine mag CNN Wire,
a Dominic Dune article for Vanity Fair, Stephen a Diamond
article for Psychology Today, Karina Longsworth for Ellie Weekly, Bill

(40:32):
Domain for Mental Floss, Wikipedia of course, and then other
Vanity Fair articles as well.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Karina Longworth. That's a you must remember this totally.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, that's Karina getting her bills paid good for her.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
She also does a podcast rate review and subscribe so
she could get more ads.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Please support Karina Longworth.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
You must remember this right, all right, So let's we're
going to delve into Phil Spector and who he was
and what was life was like, because it really just
paints a picture of what ended up what he ended
up doing. So his hair, I mean, I have no Explaina,
Actually I do have an explanation for that, Okay, okay, Yeah.

(41:13):
Harvey Phillip Specter is born in nineteen thirty nine to
a first generation immigrant Jewish family and they live in
the Bronx. The family first arrived from Ukraine in nineteen thirteen,
and it's highly possible that his parents are first cousins
because there's lineage lineage found of their grandfathers. They were
found to be very similar on their naturalization papers, so

(41:36):
it's the solvile side note. In nineteen forty nine, when
Phil is just nine years old, his iron worker father,
who has just tons of debt, takes his own life
by carbon monoxide exphyxiation. Oh no, and nine years old.
I mean it's tragic. On his tombstone is inscribed Ben
Spector father husband. To know him was to love him.

(42:00):
Phil's allegedly domineering mother moves the family from New York
to Los Angeles in nineteen fifty three, where she works
as a seamstress. All right, So Phil goes to Fairfax
High School, where he was involved in a Jewish like
boys club known as the Loch in VARs, which I
have known about since I was a kid, because one

(42:22):
such member is none other than Marty hard Stark.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Marty was a loch and Bar.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Marty was a loch and Bard. No idea Phil Spector
was too. Until Phil Spector died last week and my
dad forwarded this like chain email from a bunch of
like old members. My dad called it a gang, but
it was just a bunch of Jewish boys.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
It was club, and.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
They were all kind of talking about their memories of
their friends Phil Spector from high school, and my dad
is still super close with those friends from his time.
It's like they were very kind of supported each other,
and partly because they grew up in a time when
anti Semitism was still rampant in LA. In the nineteen fifties,
the Fairfax was known as a quote Jewish high school,

(43:06):
and in fact, the principal even taught modern Hebrew class
and some parents started taking their kids out of Fairfax
because the high Jewish population made them uncomfortable. So LA,
I mean, I've heard stories from my grandparents and parents
was very anti Semitic at the time.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
I believe that it's just funny or like interesting now
to think about that because of the way things are now,
Like the idea of people taking their kids out of
school because Jewish people went there, totally, it's just kind
of like wait what. But it's that thing of like
over the years, that kind of racism exposes itself to

(43:45):
just be the weirdest, most baseless, stupid absolutely, but.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Then it's just the more current.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Like that's I think I've told you the story of
when I got in trouble because I repeated a slur
against a Mexican student that I heard on the playground
and my aunt Jean like slammed on the brace and
was like, what why would you ever say that? And
I was like, oh, I thought that's what somebody else said.
I was like in second grade or something like that,

(44:11):
and my mother gave me this fucking speech that night
that was all about don't you know that the way
you know, anybody that says that about Mexicans, now, that's
exactly what people were saying about your grandparents, you know,
fifty years ago when they emigrated and were living in
San Francisco, when there were signs up that said don't
hire the Irish any like those those people are your relatives.

(44:36):
You might as well think of it in the same way,
and that that kind that's racist, and that kind of
like bias is that's who your people are, Like you
can't do it because your people were those people. Yeah,
and it was really eye opening and kind of thank
fucking god I made that mistake to learn that lesson.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Totally and it stuck with you. I mean from second
grade on.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Also just as a kid, and I know not that
many kids, like second graders listen to this, but just
don't repeat it.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Other peoples say, don't believe.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
I don't think kids says they're all fucking making shit
up as they go along or repeating stuff. Stupid people
say yeah, you got it, Yeah, just don't just don't don't. Yeah,
so I think that's why my dad was so close
with them and this little group the Lochinvars, which I
just while you were sitting here out to get on
the phone with my dad and be like, how do
you pronounce that again? So the reason I thought of

(45:31):
doing the stories because, as I said, this Phil Spector
email went around and my dad forward it to me
and they were sharing old memories of their old club member,
Phil Spector, and one of the guys, whose name is Robert,
remembered Phil Spector this way. I thought he was so friendly,
a bit different perhaps, but so talented and nice to everyone.
We became friends, and his mom would ask me to

(45:52):
play the piano whenever I came over, which was often.
He was head cheerleader, and it wasn't hard to recognize
he would be a musical success.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yes he was.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah. He also lived down the street from my dad,
like where my grandma live. It's just wow, my dad
didn't know him. It was he was a couple of
years ahead of my dad.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Oh okay, yeah, head cheerleaders. A little bit of a
left turn, it is. I didn't see that one coming.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
It is, but I think it, yeah, I think it
was more normal back then for men to be cheerleaders,
wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Maybe could event yeah, but head cheerleader, he beat out everybody.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
It was special.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
So Phil, and he was like this short and small
and stature guy. So he probably didn't play a lot
of sports, I would assume, so cheerleader. He hated his
given name, Harvey, which was he was previously known by,
and he starts going by his middle name Philip Phil
but he later has legally changed it legally changed too.
So he becomes obsessed with listening to music on AM
radio and it changes his life. He starts hanging around

(46:55):
the music room at Fairfax and he learns the guitar,
and he performs in school talent shows, and he starts
a band with three of his friends from Fairfax and
they form a group called the Teddy Bears. So he
starts hanging out at local recording studios trying to learn
music production. And this guy, Stan Ross, who is an
owner and producer of gold Star Records in Hollywood, takes

(47:17):
a shine to him and begins tutoring Phil Spector on
music production. And so from eighteen no from nineteen fifty
to nineteen eighty four, gold Star Studios is one of
the most important studios.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
In the world. They have artists like the Beach Boys.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
And Richie Vallens and Jimmy Hendrix and putting out like
you know, world history changing music, the Who and So
and just tons of recording artists perform there and record there.
And I highly suggest the documentary The Wrecking Crew, which
tells gold Star's history, and it's by filmmaker Denny Tedesco.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
It's on Amazon. It's fucking off The Wrecking Crew. Watch it.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
So Phil learns the business. And in nineteen fifty eight,
the Teddy Bears signed to Era's Door Records, where they
get a deal to record two to three of Phil's songs,
one of them being to Know Him Is to Love Him,
inspired by the inscription on his father's tombstone, and it
goes to number one on the Billboard's Hot one hundred

(48:22):
lists and sells over a million copies. And in nineteen
fifty eight they perform on Dick Clark's American Bandstand, which
was a huge accomplishment.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Big deal.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, And meanwhile, this is just an interesting side note.
Phil's mother, Bertha, had encouraged Phil to learn stenography in
the meantime, got to have a safety note.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
That's exactly why.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
So he had something to fall back on in case
the music thing didn't work out, because you know, mom, like,
what are you fucking doing?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Can you at least just get a degree? Please?

Speaker 1 (48:52):
No one's letting you just go be in the Teddy Bears,
Like that's going to pay your mortgage because that ain't real.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
You performed on America vansand once, Phil and so between
nineteen fifty seven and nineteen sixty, Phil Spector got a
job as a part time court stenographer at the Court
in downtown Los Angeles, where, among other cases, he worked
the Lana Turner Cheryl Crane murder case that I covered
at one of our live shows in LA in which

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Lana's daughter Cheryl stabbed Lana's boyfriend, Johnny Stompinado to death
and she was a teenager and she got off.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
So he was in that trial.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
He was the court stenographer for that trial. That's insane,
isn't that random?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
And then he was offered the job of doing translation
work as a un interpreter for Fidel Castro.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
This is you're starting to talk out the movie Zelig
like it's like.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Or Forrest Gump easily played by the piece of shit
Woody Allen like it's they look alike in a weird way.
And actually Phil Spector met Castro twice in a hotel room,
but ultimately burns down the most incredible job I've ever
heard in my fucking life in order to continue his
music career, so it was probably a big fuck you

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to his mom. The Teddy Bears break up so sadly
in nineteen fifty nine, and after finding success producing a
few records as well as sitting in on as a
session musician, Phil founds Phil's Record Records, so his own
record company with famed producer Lester Stills. So this is
when Phil Spector really finds his niche and he developed

(50:31):
his trademark Wall of Sound. It's a production formula where
I'm going to put this simply because I don't fucking
get it. A mixture of all sorts of instruments are
playing at the same time in unison, with other instruments
joining in layers along with further layers of vocals. It's
like this crescendo effect that you I mean, it's beautiful,

(50:53):
But the secret is the echo chamber where the microphones
from the studio play into a bassant speakers, there's microphones.
They bounce the sound back to the control room to
be recorded on tape. That's how the wall of sound works.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
She shrugs. She explains, She explains, unbelievingly. I get it.
I get it. Well.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
You know the the Motown records, they ran a microphone
up into the attic to get that same type of sound.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Wow, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
So that's the only reason I kind of get what
you're talking.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
You're becoming musician about that, yeah, yes, And because when
I record, well, it's all about the echo and the attic.
I'd like to thank Mike Burns, my research writer, for
understanding what the fuck that meant and writing it in
Layman's Turns So So Specter said in nineteen sixty four quote,
I was looking for a sound, a strong, a sound

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so strong that if the material was not the greatest,
the sound would carry the record. It was a case
of augmenting. It all fit together like a jigsaw. So
you can hear that with the Beach Boys. Brian Wilson
recorded a lot there as well, and Phil releases legendary
songs where you can hear this unique style, including be
My Baby by the Ronettes, which is a legend not

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king legendary classic. Then he Kissed Me by the Crystals,
another beautiful song. Put your headphones on, you guys, put
your noise canceling headphones on and listen to these songs.
They're moving. And he signs the Righteous Brothers in nineteen
sixty five releasing You've Lost that Love and feeling unchained
melody and You're my soul and inspiration. So, like hit

(52:38):
after hit that like defines the era. So this is
why he's so famous when you look at these insane
pictures of him in the courtroom and you're like, who
is this fucking good dude? Like he just changes music.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah. So by now he's in his.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Early twenties and he's one of the hottest and wealthiest
record producers in the world.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Can't get fame. That you can't get famous and that
young or your no, you cannot, no, you cannot.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
You are fucked.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
You gotta go through some shit before you can appreciate
some shit, right, You.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Got to go through some shit before you can buy
all the coke all the time, because you and your
wall of sound are going to get yourself into some trouble.
That's right.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
By the time you're thirty and you're washed up.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Good luck.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
So in nineteen sixty six, Specter signs his final act
at Phila's. It's p h I L L E.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
S Phylla's Phillies.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
The Phillies, Philly talking about the Philadelphia Phillies.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
No, it's his record company.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
His final his final act is Icontina Turner, and he
considers River Deep Mountain High the best thing he's ever produced,
and the fact that the song was initially snubbed by
the American audience, he takes it super personally and it
kind of like changes something in him and made him
resent the music industry completely, and he just is bitter

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and he retreats from the business and goes into a
state of depression.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Huh after one thing that didn't go his way right
after twenty that did exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Cool cool cool, sounds like as a great state of mind.
Sounds like you've got his shit together in his early twenties.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
He's doing probably doing a lot of meditating, a lot
of chanting, just really grounded. Sounds like he's Buddhists of
the people.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
He's a Buddhist.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
I think sure, he's reading the dow of Winnie the
Pooh for sure. So after failing to sell his record
company to A and M Records in nineteen sixty seven,
he becomes a total recluse. He rarely makes public appearances
for a couple of years, except for playing a drug
dealer in nineteen sixty nine's Easy Writer, which I didn't know,

(54:39):
and playing himself in a cameo of I Dream of Genie.
I guess they were desperate for cameos at that point.
But he does marry his dream girl, Veronica Bennett, who's
Ronnie of the Ronettes, who.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Phil had discovered.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
So Phil had discovered her in the group and he
helped make them famous with these hits. And sensing the
relationship was doomed due to Phil's erratic emotional behavior, Ronnie's
mother turned to her daughter after signing the wedding certificate
and said, quote, I just signed your death certificate.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Oh no, yeah, that's not weir.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Well then, why, I don't know, that's not what you
want to hear on your wedding day.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Well maybe it was like she felt like she had
no choice and she was just like you made me do.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Definitely, definitely you know how you know how much daughters
listened to their mother's advice.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Also, that band was huge, their songs were awesome. And
I'm sure she was just like this guy made me like.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
He's you know, that's what's So she wrote a memoir
in nineteen ninety called Be My Baby, and yeah, that's
exactly it is. She felt she owed him this, she
owed him her life, you know sure, and she actually
he was really controlling. And it turns out John Lennett
and fell in love with her and offered for the
Rawnettes to go on tour with the Beatles, and she

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chose Phil Spector over that.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
So that's how devoted she was to him.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
So in Be My Baby, her memoir, she details how
Phil Spector psychologically tortures her and purposely ruins her career
by not allowing her to perform again.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
He's a monster.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
He puts a barbed wire around their house and they
live in this mansion in Alhambra, California, which is right
outside Pasadena, right, And he gets guard dogs for the
yard and it's all to keep Ronnie inside the castle,
basically they call it. If she's given permission to leave,
Ronnie has to drive with a life size inflatable dummy

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of Phil Spector in the passenger seat.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Okay, are we going to talk about what drugs he
was on? Because this is extreme. In later on I
will tell you about the poppers and what they look
at him, because Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
So she was also just this emotionally manipulative, psychotic guy,
Like I don't even know if drugs were part of it.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I mean, I'm sure they were.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I feel like back then drugs were ever linked speed,
you know they did.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
And also when barboyer comes into a place, you know,
like you'r el Hambra mansion, right, but you're like, here's
what we need, barboo.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
And fucking guard dogs.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
But to keep you in, that's the creepiest part, is
like not even to keep people out. Yeah, that's so
scary awful. Yeah, and there's more. It gets worse.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
It always does.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
It always fucking does. So inflatable dummy Da da da.
If she's gone for more than twenty minutes, he calls
the guards to like find her. Wow, she says, quote,
I was never around people. He made sure of that,
and he kept her isolated in the studio where her
best friend, who was her backup singer was like the

(57:45):
only person she was allowed to hang out with who
was none other than Share Really what what her backup
singer at the time, right? I know?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Wow. So the couple.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Adopts a child in nineteen sixty nine, and then, okay,
here's the fucking wackiest wacky thing you've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
As a Christmas gift.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
In nineteen seventy one, Phil surprises Ronnie by bringing home
a set of five year old twins. He adopted a
set of five year old twins and was like, these
are your kids purchased? Yeah, well adopted?

Speaker 1 (58:24):
I don't know, Okay, probably Yeah, let's see that paperwork. Yeah,
I want to see that carfax.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Right, jesus, I want to see that car fax. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
That was I'm glad I didn't gloss over that, because
that's an excellent comment. Of course, she feels like the
gesture is to keep it's just a bid to keep
her captive in their marriage, and that the children were
used as like pawns to keep her there.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Ronnie goes so far as to purposely started using alcohol
so she can leave to go to AA meetings. Oh
and there's and she's like, there's nothing for me. To
do all day but drink. I have no I'm not
like to leave the house. I have no freedom. I
just start drinking. And also, oh my god, Phil puts
a gold coffin with a sea through glass top in

(59:11):
their basement and promises that he will kill her and
display her body there if she tries to leave him.
So this man is an abusive, fucking piece of shit
and very insecure. Yeah, yeah, that's the least right problems. Yeah,
I'm insecure and I've literally done none of those things

(59:32):
to my knowledge. Don't ask Vince about that though, to
my knowledge.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
And then, just like your zoom camera slips shift slightly
to the left, We're like, wait, George, what is that
a mausoleum with Vince's name?

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Why did you get a fucking Doberman pincher? Jesus, this
wallpaper is so nice. Why is there so much barbed
wire around the top of it? Why it's crazy? This
is like we're making joke.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Yes, this is a nightmare, Like we're this is a
this is a nightmare castle of nightmare.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yes this isn't. And she's high insight.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
A relationship that is we all know is impossible feels
impossible to escape from because it's I mean literally and physical.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
She deserves to be drink as much as she possibly
carries Jesus Christ seriously, and according to Ronnie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Phil said, before I let you go, you'll be dead.
So I'm terrifying. So he also takes away all of
her shoes so she can't. It makes it harder for
her to run away, and everyone knows an Alhambra. It's
just like that's far from anything fucking anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
This is just so extreme, it's like off, it's insane.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
So when she finally does escape with the help of
her mother in nineteen seventy two, she has to do
so barefoot and also by sneaking out through the service entrance.
Like her and her mom study the service entry to
see when it was like possible to run away. She recalls, quote,
my whole survival is through my mom's strength. I tell
other women, if you're in a bad relationship, you have

(01:01:10):
to find one person to help you. Phil's abuse was mental,
not physical, telling me I'll never be successful without him,
and she says that it made me say, wanna bet?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Can I just say this too?

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Meanwhile, Ronnie Specter is one of the most beautiful women
her voice is so unique and gorgeous, like the you know,
the Ronet's lead singer be my baby, like legendary and
the and then you know, I won't spoil your thing.
But then later when she is in a hit later on,

(01:01:46):
it's like she looks like she's twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
She's back entirely. But that idea, he really did rob
her of a career.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Because she could have had anything she has her perfectly
made for show business.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
She was, and she was incredibly talented. And actually, during
their divorce in nineteen seventy four, Ronnie gives up all
of the future earnings from her recordings because Phil threatens
to have her killed by a hitman if she doesn't.
So that's hundreds of thousands of not millions of dollars
that she has to walk away from, you know, which
is I think a familiar not that much, but a

(01:02:20):
familiar story for abused women. Ronnie walks away with a
used car, twenty five thousand dollars, an alimony of twenty
five hundred dollars a month for the duration of five years,
all for that fucking torture, and she has to give
up custody of the children because he would regularly pull
a gun on her and threaten to murder her if

(01:02:40):
she took them away. Has to be heartbreaking and sadly
the children are also abused, among other things. Phil keeps
them locked in their room as soon as they get
home from school every day and they just are stuck there.
So Ronnie's finally able to relaunch her career, but finds
difficulty finding charge success until she appears on Eddie Money's

(01:03:02):
nineteen eighty six iconic hit take Me Home Tonight, in
which goes on to number four, and despite Phil's objections,
Ronnie and the Ronettes are included into the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame in two thousand and seven, among
other continuing successes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
So she made it, Yeah, she did big time. I
mean she was like a huge part of that video too.
I mean that I was sixteen when that song came out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
So ironically, during all this chaos, Phil Spector is mounting
a major comeback. Specter was working with George Harrison, and
when Lennon wanted George in the studio for his record
Instant Karma, he asked Phil Spector to come into the
recording session. They recorded it in one day. Phil Spector
mixed it on the spot with his wall of sound style,

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and the single was put out in the same week.
Phil Spector would go on to produce further solo albums
by both George Harrison and John Lennon, and they liked
his work so much that they brought him to Lynn
to fix the Beatles abandoned recordings for their Let It
Be album, which was previously assumed to be a complete wash.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
So this is fucking historical shit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
You know. But he is slowly beginning to act more
erratic and more eccentric. In nineteen seventy three, he's hired
by John Lennon to produce his new album of covers,
and Phil starts appearing at the studio wearing wild costumes
like quote surgeon or karate guy, and he always has

(01:04:32):
a gun in a holster on him. He's also frequently
high on the inhalent amyl nitrate amal nitrate muhuh, otherwise
known as poppers. Hell yeah, okay, here's an interesting fact.
I didn't know. Poppers are officially used as an angina
hart medication or to treat cyanide poisoning, but they become

(01:04:53):
popular in the seventies and eighties drug culture. Okay, ready
for why as it causes the throat and to relax
and gives you a short high. Yeah, so all things
that we've always wanted in our lives, yes, and jokingly
quote one night, spector pulls out his gun and surprises

(01:05:13):
John Lennon by firing it off in the studio by
Lennon's ear. John Lennon screams at Phil, Phil, if you're
going to kill me, kill me, but don't fuck with
my ears. I need him. But in a British accent,
he would chase John Lennon around the studio with a gun,
threatening to shoot him while he was drunker on drugs,

(01:05:33):
and of course, John Lennon later dies of a gunshot wound.
So that's just kind of fucked up. Throughout the seventies
and following his divorce from Ronnie, Phil becomes more crazed
and reclusive, especially following a car crash in nineteen seventy
four where he's thrown from the window of his car
and I guess it's He looked dead, but a cop

(01:06:00):
found a faint pulse and after several hours of surgeries
at UCLA Medical Center for his massive head injuries resulting
in three hundred face stitches and four hundred stitches to
the back of his head. Still survives, but he's presumably
super scarred up, which is why he starts wearing his

(01:06:20):
notoriously outrageous wigs.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Can I ask, sorry, what year was that car accident?
Pan seventy four? Oh wow?

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Why? Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
No? I just I wasn't sure. I just wasn't sure
of like where in the timeline we were. That's okay,
so crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Yeah, so he's already going a little fucking psychotic. But
then this kind of massive head injury. We all know
what that does. Great, not great, not good. No, so
Phil will go on to work with other notable musicians
like Leonard Cohen and they get shitfaced on booze, write
twelve songs but the and again he's drunk on Manishevitz,

(01:06:58):
which I find very typical. And I resent that as a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Jew he's being a real He's been a real hat. Yeah,
as a as a Jewish man.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Can we just get a bottle of like Josh? Or
can we get a bottle of you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
What's that stella?

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I don't know. So he pulls a gun on him
during an argument, and you know, doesn't kill him obviously,
but the album's a massive failure. And Cohen remembers from
the studio recordings that they were that they were quote
armed to the teeth. You were slipping over bullets and
biting into revolvers in your hamburger. So like, you don't

(01:07:37):
need to be that armed in a studio friends.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
I mean, it is very indicative of what the seventies,
what was going on in the seventies, which was in
I would guess, and from the little that I know about,
like the music industry in the seventies, it was like
whatever the fuck anyone wants to do, they get to
do plus three three lines of cocaine right a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
As long as you're successful, you'll not be punished for
anything any behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Yeah you get if you get the hit going, no
one gives a shit how you got it there, So
you shoot John Lennon in the ear, well then whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Right, which I means similar to today in the fucking
entertainment industry.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Oh, it reminds me of boogie nights kind of where
it's just that like psychotic, what is everyone doing?

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Nobody knows because they're all high on drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Yeah, And also I think popper's like as an inhalent
drug like that. I mean it makes me think of
It's just like I think that does also affect your brain.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Like nitrous like taking hits to night you're great. I
don't think it's good for you. Pop brain cells.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
You can hear them while you're high, but like little like, uh,
what are those candies that pop in your mouth?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Pop rocks? Pop rocks? Yes? Or zots? Talk about it?
What side of the country you're from.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Around this time, Debbie Harry, of course of Blondie, is
invited by Phil to his mansion discuss working together. Shortly
after arriving, she says he pulled a gun on her
and says, quote that notorious thing he does. He stuck
it in my boot and went bang. I thought, get
me out of here. Why would anyone be carrying a

(01:09:15):
forty five automatic in their own house. Yeah, so she
even she like fucking Latered and could tell that he
was psychotic. But he has a pattern of pulling guns
on people, is what this is all illustrating.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
They normalized the gun pulling. That's right, that's just how
he is. They say. If you want the wall of sound, right,
that's what you have.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
To put up with. They say, that's right, little lady.
So then in nineteen seventy nine, the Ramones higher Phil
Spector and realized that there are what they say too.
Phil's there's nice and evil Phil. Sometimes he dressed in
casual clothes. He's easy going and funny, and sometimes he
wears a cape sunglasses and is derogatory, mean, abusive, and

(01:09:57):
only wants things done his way. One story that d.
D Ramone tells is that he was trying to leave
the studio after a long session and Phil pulls out
a revolvers and says, you're not going anywhere. Phil Specter
was later asked by Vanity Fair what's your greatest fear,
and he answered, quote that God won't let me into
heaven because I'm too evil, and the devil won't let

(01:10:20):
me into hell because he's afraid I'll take over. She's like, dude,
you're not that great.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Dude, God dialod back, just go to him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Self help podcasts, right, yeah, really go to a meeting
like it's a very grandiose, very grandiose. So he made
the Ramones End of the Century, which what didn't do
well at the time, But everyone no, it's like a classic,
aside from a small handful of other things like being
inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame by

(01:10:50):
Tina Turner in nineteen eighty nine, Phil basically disappears from
between nineteen eighty one until two thousand and three, where
he re enters the public eye for the worst possible
of reasons after meeting the beautiful actress and model Lana Clarkson.
So let me talk to you, Karen, about Lana Clarkson. Okay,

(01:11:11):
So she's born in nineteen sixty two. She's raised in
the hills of Sonoma County, California, pointing at you. After
her father's death in nineteen seventy eight, she moves to
southern California and pursues a career as an actress and model.
And I cannot overstate how fucking beautiful she was. I mean,
like Heather Locklear style, Charlie's Angels beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
She looked like like a Vogue model, Yeah, like not
just like not just kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Like TV actress beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Yeah. But yeah, she's like she would have been in
the Car a Car's video, you know, the band The
Car is not a video for the Toyota Corolla or
so okay. In the early eighties, she gets bit parts
in film and television. Then in nineteen eighty two, she
makes her movie to debut as a minor character in
Fast Times at Ridge Mount High, in which she plays like.

(01:12:06):
The joke is that she's this unexpectedly super hot wife
of the nerdy science teacher mister Vargas played by Vincent Schiavelli,
who's fucking incredible actor. So you remember that part where
like at the dance he introduces his wife to the
kids and they're, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
I didn't realize that was her.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah, that's so good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
So she goes on to perform in the laundry list
of small television and film roles and projects like Scarface
Three's Company, Night Writer, and numerous major commercials, but her
niche is the main roles she has in several nineteen
eighties sci fi b movies for producer Roger Corman, who's
known as the Pope of pop cinema, and he started

(01:12:49):
a lot of famous people's careers and it made her
a cult hero, and she becomes a favorite at comic
book conventions, where she makes promotional appearances and signs autographs
for her fans and she's also personally an incredibly kind person.
In the eighties, Lana spends time every week at the

(01:13:09):
HIV AIDS charity project Angel Food, which delivers food to
people who can't provide for themselves, whether physically or because
they've been shunned by others because of their diagnosis.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
So she does that weekly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Well. Coming into her thirties, Clarkson's career stalls and she
can't get enough work to live on anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Classic story.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
She makes a little money selling autograph copies of her
movies and chatting in with fans behind early paywall message boards.
So this is like the late nineties. I know, I
forgot that was a thing. In her acting career, she
made a living by playing these bombshells, these like hot ladies,
but her desire was to be cast in comedic roles

(01:13:53):
or perform as a comedian, and she even began work
as a stand up on a stand up set. Oh
and she also developed, wrote, produced, and directed a showcase
reel called Lana Unleashed. But by January two thousand and three,
at forty years old, she needed to make ends meet,
so she took a part time side job at the
House of Blues, in West Hollywood. Oh wow, on the

(01:14:13):
Sunset Strip. It's closed now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Huh yeah, I think they noted the whole building. I
think you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
Yeah, And that's where, in the early hours of February three,
two thousand and three, she meets Phil Spector.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Oh wow, okay, I know, and I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
I can't find a real explanation of why she agreed
to go back to his house with him. But I
bet he was persuasive. I bet he was promising her
he could help with her career. It sounds like because
when she they took they went, Phil's driver drove them
in their limo to his house, and she says to him.
While she's exiting the she says to the driver, I'm
only staying for one drink. So it seems like she

(01:14:51):
was like, all right, you know, he was persuasive, I'll
go home. We can talk and have one drink. But
probably could tell that this was not someone she, you know, wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
This the story of so many people in Los Angeles
because it's it's a town filled with people who have gotten,
you know, four good jobs, and then you know, some
time has passed and now they're just like, what the
hell am I going to do now and pivoting and
parlaying things and other things, and that this is and
it is just a feeding ground for powerful men who

(01:15:23):
just want to go around and pick people auditors, and
that's just it's how it is. And I think, you know,
the we're joking about or whatever. But I'm sure that
like they were saying, like I think DeBie Ramone said,
it's like there was a good side to him, which
I'm sure that's how he continued to work. He's charming,
he's persuasive, he's amicable, he's he must have made it

(01:15:46):
easy for people to believe he.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Was going to be tokay with them totally.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Yeah, because if you come out like, you know, shooting
off guns, everyone's going to go that guy's fucking crazy.
So he must have been good enough for enough of
the time totally that people were like, eh, he's still
this legend. Yeah, so they get and she's sorry, but
she if she's working at the House of Blues, which
is a musical venue, he is a living legend from

(01:16:11):
the music business. So that means something.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Like everybody was like fawning over him, and he show
her home and talk about her career.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah, no, you're talking right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Yeah, So they go in the house, the driver stays
in the driveway, and an hour later, the driver hears
a gun shot from inside the house, and then Phil
Spector comes out of the rear of the house carrying
a thirty eight cult Cobra revolver and tells the driver quote,
I think I just shot her.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
The driver calls nine to one one and police arrived
to find a single gunshot to Lana's mouth and she's dead.
Specter is eventually charged with murder. Here's He remains free
on a million dollar bond and is allowed to stay
in his beautiful al hambur mansion until his trial starts

(01:17:03):
in March of two thousand and seven. So four fucking years.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's it for rich people.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
For bonds, you don't have to stay in prison, that's right.
Two just systems. Yeah. The trial is shown live on
television from the Los Angeles Superior Court. It's allowed by
Judge Larry Paul Fiddler, and it becomes a circus. Did
you watch any of it back then? I remember it,
but I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I just remember that his hair his daily hair check in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Yeah, basically, Well, and it sucks because his like he
was upstaging the importance and the like seriousness of what
was happening here. So suddenly he's walking in with this
you know, it looked like he had basically ratted his
hair out, like the you know, two feet out from

(01:17:54):
his head, and then that's what everyone's laughing and talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
And he's there for fucking murder. Total like it was exactly.
It was so similar and down to Dominic Gunn covering it.
That's the oj Simpson trial and like, yeah, I think
everyone was at the time, like, oh shit, is he
going to get acquitted to Like, yeah, you know, this
a beautiful woman who was killed by this jealous, crazy man.
You know's fucked up. So it quickly becomes a circus.

(01:18:22):
And it's only partially a circus because of phil Spector's
crazy wigs and these flamboyant suits he had on, but
the whole trial itself was a spectacle. The prosecution points
out that Phil Spector has a history of pulling firearms
on women he is romantically or wants to be romantically
involved with. So she was in the foyer, probably trying
to leave at the time when she was shot, and

(01:18:45):
that's his his mo This usually occurs after he's rejected
in some capacity. It's when he pulls out his gun.
And each time he points a gun at the woman
attempting to leave his presence, and he have it. He
also frequents with artist in the studio, so they point
this all out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
There's a fucking pattern.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
At his trial, numerous former female acquaintances testified that he
had pulled a gun on them when they attempted to
leave him, and his ex wife Ronnie also.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Testifies against him. Nice Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Meanwhile, these pieces of shit, despite their public vows not
to do so. The defense attempts to completely trash Lana's
name in an attempt to convince the jury. Here's their
argument that Lana, being devastated that her career was over
shot herself in the floyer herself on purpose. That's dirty,

(01:19:36):
fucking business, so dirty. How do you sleep at night?

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
I think I actually remember that, I remember this, these
kind of stages of things happening, and when and when
that became the defense that people were very.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Upset about it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Yeah, And meanwhile, they didn't even bring that up until then,
despite and and the fact that he had said I
think I just shot her quote. It was just ludicrous.
I think nobody believed it right. So they call her
best friends quote unquote, they're called to testify against her character.
So they're her quote unquote best friends who are just

(01:20:14):
trying to get book deals, probably are being called to
fucking testify against her character. Dominic Dunn and Vanity Fair says,
quote after their declarations of friendship and love, they took
their poor dead friend apart with anecdote after anecdote, making
it appear that Lana was in such a state of
abject despair over the failure of her life. By the way,

(01:20:36):
she's forty, like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Not forty gorgeous yess smart enough to continually like parlay
her past things into something else.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
To really yeah, yeah, yeah, objective despair of the failure
of her life, that shooting herself in the mouth in
a stranger's house was a totally logical step for her
to take. Ludicrous, And her mom and sister are like
in the courtroom every day having to hear this bullshit. Yeah,
So expert witnesses are called, including the distinguished forensic scientist

(01:21:05):
doctor Michael Baden, who's paid one hundred and ten thousand
dollars for his testimony for the defense, giving scientific quote
proof that Lana killed herself. So of course both sides
have expert witnesses. They're fucking paid to argue whatever their
side wants. And in fact, in two thousand and seven,

(01:21:25):
a judge rules that renowned forensic expert for the defense,
Henry Lee, who were all familiar with. He also worked
as an expert in trials for John Vanny Ramsay, OJ Simpson,
and Lacy Peterson. He's famous that he hid or destroyed
an object from the scene, either an acrylic fingernail or

(01:21:45):
a towel that had blood on it, to make it
seem like she had taken her own life. What. Yeah,
and he denies such allegations, but a judge ruled that
he did do it. Wow, So they are both testifying
for the defense that Lana killed herself.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
I mean again, that's a thing of like they he
has more money than God, so they can hire anyone
they want and they the people will be more and
more legit seeming.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Yeah, to get that story is God, that's dirty.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
It's estimated that he spent between eight and ten million
dollars on legal fees.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Oh my god, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Well, here's a side note and what an asshole to
demonstrate with an asshole Phil Spector is in case we
didn't already know. In the midst of all this, in
two thousand and seven, Phil Spector goes to known woman
beater Ike Turner's funeral and he gives a eulogy, and
during the whole thing he takes shot at Tina. Takes
shots at Tina Turner's autobiography, saying that it was quote

(01:22:44):
a badly written book and that it demonized and vilified Ike,
which is like known that he.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Ike be demonized in villified Ike. Yeah, he did it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
I did that, he said, Phil said, quote Ike made
Tina the jewel shee was. When I went to see
Ike play at the Cinegrill in the nineties, there were
at least five Tina Turners on the stage performing that night.
Any one of them could have been could have been
Tina Turner. I mean, you're kidding yourself, funeral eulogizing while
you're on trial for murder? Can you imagine being that

(01:23:16):
fucking audience?

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
But also it's that's one of the most ludicrous statements
I've ever heard, where it's like Tina Turner, Yeah, Turner,
the legendary Tina, there's no one like, no Turner in
the world, or we would have known about them already.
So he's up there eulogizing by lying his fucking I mean,
that's psychotics.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Psychotic crazy. It shows you what a fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Misogynist he was, and that he obviously just hated women,
and you know, it's just he's fucking crazy. So yeah,
so he spent eight to ten million on legal fees,
but ultimately the jury is fucking deadlocked, with two jurors
holding out against a guilty verdict. A judge judge declares
a mistrial, and a retrial of the now sixty eight

(01:24:04):
year old Phil Spector begins on October twentieth, two thousand
and eight.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
So we're going to go through it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
All over again. Fortunately this time TV cameras aren't allowed
in the courtroom. But the case doesn't go to jury
until March twenty six, two thousand and nine, and it
only takes like less than a month for the jury
to find Phil Spector guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Yeah, and actually I.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Went go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Oh, I was just going to theorize that maybe there
were some jurors maybe got bribed.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Perhaps well, there was like one Durer who lived down
the street from him in Alhambra, and like star fucked
him kind of and was like I saw him at
the grocery store. One so like clearly had like a
thing for him. And then there was another one who
just seemed like another misogynist. You know. They didn't seem

(01:24:51):
like they were judging based on the facts, right, right,
So when they're in trial reading the verdict, they thought
that Phil they definitely thought Phil Spector was going to
be a suicide risk and maybe had brought in a
capsule of cyanide with him. So they put like the
security on him that if he when the verdict was read,

(01:25:13):
that if he moved towards his pocket, they were to
tackle him.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
No, no, I'm laughing about the idea they would. They
would tackle tiny, that tiny, permed haired lunatic, right, But
it didn't have so he sentenced to nineteen years to
life in state prison.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
In February twenty twelve, Donna Clarkson, Lana's mother, settled a
civil suit against his insurance company for an undisclosed amount,
which we all hope is millions and millions, yes God please, huh.
Numerous loophole appeals of all sorts continue and I'm sure
fucking devastate Lana's family for years and years until they're

(01:25:53):
all denied. In twenty fifteen, Phil Spector his health was
already deteriorating even you could talk this looking at him
due to various things including have is, having lost the
ability to speak from Larryngeal papilote matosis. Dies in the
prison California health Care Facility in Stockton, California of COVID

(01:26:18):
nineteen complications.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Oh shit, hot on January.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Twenty first, like a week and a half ago, twenty
twenty one, at the age of eighty one.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
I did not know it was COVID related.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
That's I wouldn't even even notice this. It was a
passing thing until my dad sent me that email and
I was like, what the fuck? I will say that
in the email a lot of the guys acknowledged what
he did. They weren't all like good memories of Phil Spector.
It was like, yeah, he became a monster. So I
don't want right, right, I don't want to Sully the
loch in veers.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
So he wasn't that person. He wasn't he developed into
that monster exactly. And I don't even know if they
all kept in touch with him. So let's end on
a positive Noteanie Spector in twenty eighteen, while Phil Spector
was in prison, said quote, what I went through made
me great. I was determined nobody would ever keep me

(01:27:10):
down again.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
I won. Phil's where he is, and I'm going all
over the world. Yeah, and that is the murder of
Lana Clarkson by the monster Phil Spector.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Oh that's amazing, great job.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
Someone recently because I was reading an article about this murderer,
and someone made the very valid and very sad point
that because I remember, like when you heard about this story,
and this happens a lot. I think with just our
very strange media bias that we all have, where it's like, oh,
this really beautiful woman and she's in this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Old rich guy's house, we all know what.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
That means exactly, which I hate. There's all this assumed stuff.
And someone was like, this woman was murdered by a
man she knew for one day, right, Like that's it's
it's the nightmare days of the night, and it's it's
someone that she thought, Oh he just wants Oh this
happens to me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
This year can be interesting. I bet you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
He was like, I'm going to show you my ex
y or z interesting which guy thing? Totally and but
just that idea that she was just there of like nah,
you know, like we'll see and she gets murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Is it's such a tragedy he pulls who would have fun?

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
He pull a fucking gun out like that's just And
also he's like rich and professional and well known. No
one would think that they were also you know, you
just don't. It's it's a fucked up world for a
bunch of it really for a bunch of fucking but
she's my tragedy pieces of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
So yeah, it's an absolute tragedy. Wishing her family love
and happiness. So wow, that was a big one. Yeah,
that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
I like when they're you know, like updates like a
recent a recent one of like this just happened.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
I like, I guess what COVID did to you? Want
to do a couple of fucking horrahs. Yes, let's do
it all right? Want to go first? Want me to
go first?

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
You go first?

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Okay this is from Brihanna Annave. I waited so long
for this, but I finally have a fucking horay. As
of Friday, I will have finally completed my sixteen hundred
hours of cosmetology school. Hey a little party emoji with
a you know, which allows me to take my state
board exam for my license.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
After a couple failed attempts to attend college.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Moving back home, and being completely lost in life, I'm
finally doing what makes me happy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Yay.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
I haven't felt this motivated to finish something in so long,
and it's such an amazing feeling. At almost twenty four,
I have to remind myself I still have time in life.
And I know twenty four when we were like, I'm
running out of time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
No, but you know what, I'm not laughing at because
that is the age where you're comparing yourself to people
that you went to high school or college with, and
certain people have are on a thing, a trajectory or over.
We're not laughing, no, No, we're laughing at how so
insane much time you have?

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
You're very young, yes, and almost twenty four. I have
to remind myself I still have time in life. I
need to slow down to make myself happy. Thank you
for giving me a distraction during such a crazy year
and also getting me through Cosmo school. SSDGM, Brianna, I'm
so jealous.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
I'm so jealous of cosmetology school.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Quit after three months, six months, I quit cosmetology school.
It's fucking hard. It's hard, right, Good luck on your exams,
get real good at it. You make that good money.
Fucking right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
Congratulations. Okay, mine is from The name is Caroline Gant.
It says my fucking hurray is for my amazing sister
Lauren O O r Ean. She not only introduced me
to your podcast a few years ago, which has gotten me,
which had gotten me to so much two or through
really through.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
I don't know if we help people travel to places.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Actually, oh I gave this girl a ride, no no, sorry,
but she is also a nick you nurse at a
public hospital. She is such a hero to those babies
and is also my hero. And I will be going
to the law school in her same city next year.
Can't wait to be close to her again. SSDGM, and
fucking hooray for sisters. Yes, Nick, Yes, thank you man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
You guys are heroes.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Yep. All healthcare workers, thank you, truly, thank you. The
light at the end of the tunnel is coming.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
I hope, so yeah, This is from Authentic Underscore and
Underscore Imperfect Authentic and Imperfect on Instagram. I just want
to say that I listened to this episode while I
was sitting super nervously at a breast imaging center waiting
for a mammogram and an ultrasound after finding a lump
a few months back. Hearing Steven get so excited about

(01:31:53):
saying a number made me snort, laugh out loud, and
get lots.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Of confu use looks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
David, thank you for that, especially at a time when
I needed it, and hashtag fucking array for the lump
being basically nothing, and then a prayer hands and a
lady dancing emoji. Yay, congratulates he congratulations. Get your boobies checked. Yep,
it's important, Okay. This one is from p k l

(01:32:24):
z d m r CEO Pickles de Marco. If I
had to guess, I would say pickles to Marco.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
That's my new fucking baby's name.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Sure. This is a tiny hashtag fucking hoorray. Today is
that my six year old niece has a classmate named Janet.
A kindergardener named Janet is so precious and funny to me.
Oh my god, baby, Janet A little baby Janet I Kindergarden.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
My one of my best friends is pregnant, and I
offered her one hundred dollars to name her baby Debrah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
She turned me down.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
Yeah, nice one. Guys, these are this week's good.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
So that's your fucking horays. I think that we all
need them right now. And I feel like every win
these days is like bigger than it feels bigger than
before because they're so hard to come by, or they
were so hard to come by the last four years.
We're getting better sigh of relief and are able to
celebrate our wins, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
And I was actually just talking to my therapist about
this that sometimes it's like there's the sigh of relief,
but then it's almost like as the shock wears off,
you can actually start feeling your wounds again. So there
might be give yourself time because there might be like
in your relief, there's a relief feeling that also then
it's like, oh, why isn't my life perfect again? Or

(01:33:52):
why doesn't everything feel great? And you have to just
be just remember to be kind to yourself and stay present,
because you know it is people. More and more people
are getting that vaccine more and more. Yeah, you know,
we're looking to we're looking toward an ending of this
instead of being stuck in the middle of it with

(01:34:12):
like no ride home, which is such a stressful feeling
for so long. Ye like that we can tell ourselves
the truth, which is that that's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Not the case anymore, can I.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Even though we're way at the beginning of the end,
it's still the beginning of the end, which is nice.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
My therapist knows I love analogies. It's like how my
brain works. So she told me that, like, for example,
like not drinking and suddenly being able to feel feelings
and how much I fucking hate that. But she was like,
imagine the backseat of your collar is filled with trash
that you've just been throwing back there and throwing back
there and not dealing with and not dealing with. We'll

(01:34:47):
look at it at all. But when you suddenly stop
your car at a stop sign out of nowhere, all
that trash is going to come piling forward into the
front seat and burying you, and you're going to feel
like it's forever.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
But you just have to sift through.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
That trash and take it out of your car and
clean out your car and it slowly goes away. So yeah,
I thought that was a really great analogy in that cause.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
It's a great analogy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
And remember actually the reality of it is they're feelings
and thoughts, so they're not real, right, it's not even
actually trash. It's just stuff that your brain serves up
to defend you and keep you safe. But that actually you,
you are in charge of and you can choose, you know,
how dire you make it, how big you make it,

(01:35:31):
all of it is your choice.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
That's very true. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Gosh, thanks you guys. We're so lucky to be able
to talk at you every week and you can talk
back at us.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
You know, appreciate that. It's nice. It's a nice community.
It's a nice hang Yeah. Yeah. So you know, stay
sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Go bye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie?