262 - Live at the Civic Theatre in San Diego, CA (2019)

In this week’s former Fan Cult exclusive episode, Karen and Georgia cover the San Diego Tank Rampage and the murder of Don Hardin.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
What us. Come on, come on, first show for Rest,
first show on the tour.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
We gotta get we gotta get on it. We gotta
get our timing down. What I mean, Hi? Hi? Does
this go up to the sky?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
This theater? Fucking you don't need that many balconies. Well,
that's why they have binoculars. Do you know we're not
worrying these because we're these are a thing now. They
have binoculars that you could buy in the lobby.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
That's how far the way people are.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, binocular far do you understand how this theater works.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I'm already learning things about myself and this tour, Like
I don't know how to use a pair of binoculars.
Just a twisty twist until you see twist.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Here's so I mean that.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
What I love about these is I can see exit
signs so fucking clearly, just what I'm here for. You're
at the opera just staring at exit signs. Yes, I'm
going to escape.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
That way and that way.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Uh oh.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
The problem with the first night of the tour is
that you realize you should have done so many things
in the past month and week and day to prepare,
and then you're like well, they won't see it that
my nails are disgusting whatever. And then they have binoculars
and they can see everything.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
How about that? Can you see that? With that? Let
me see?

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Now you've heart broken?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Closer further away can't see if should I walk over
here and flip you off?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Truly, the list is long.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
It'd be kind of cool if we could start a
trend of people wearing binoculars as necklaces. Yeah, pretend we
all like it. Yeah yeah, when.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
It's actually quite heavy and bad on.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Your spine and your eyes. You don't need to see
anything that closely. If God intended for you to see
something that closely, you would have invented binoculars.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
That's right. And I'm so glad you mentioned God, Georgie,
because tonight it's all about Lord. That's our rear. Raise
him up all the way to the wenty through fourth balcony.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, yes, God, bless you. Oh I'm not wearing black.
I know, talk like, walk it across, give it a real.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Look at her.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
This is the first fucking time I truly like like
the walk. It's like a weird black dress. I'm never
gonna wear it again. I ate black. It's really uncomfortable there.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
But this is like.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Fucking vintage and shit, yeah, I like was like, that
dress is so me. I'm gonna buy it and have
it forever.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
And you had the power of the time. That's what's
magical about it to.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Where wherever the fuck you want.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I've literally worn pajamas to live shows.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
And George is like, look, I.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Think we should talk about it because I think I
want to wear color. I'm like, dude, can I lay
down during the show? That's what I would prefer. We
have different standards.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, I'm a professional professional, Oh so I shit. I
also have a hot tip. It's a fashion tip hashtaget
if your dress doesn't fit you anymore, you you can
make it fit by slightly ripping it where the zipper
is yes, okay, and giving yourself more room. I love

(04:08):
it and then just covered up with a belt and
no one will fucking notice. And if they do, tell
them to take their binoculars off.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Oh go fuck your binoculars. How about that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
And this fashion tip is straight out of Vogue.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Hashtag You're straight out of Vogue?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Hashtag what's up? Anna Wintour? Yeah, we're doing it different
this year. Yeah, Look and listen to the fashion experts police.
This fashion expert police. That's our new show. What about you?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Oh yeah, it's this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Nice lighting guy nice, he picked that right up. What
if I go over here really fast, lighting guy very.
This is a high quality theater. When the lighting guy
follows you with the grid.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Should we tell about we won't name names, but at
one of the show's last season Nope, nope, semester last month, Yes,
it was last month.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
We were some kind of a.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Lighting person got the cue that as soon as we
said good night to turn all the fucking lights off
in the.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Entire theater, including on stage.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
So we go to wave and then it's for darkness,
and it.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Stayed darkness where we were like you were like bye,
and then we're just kind of like bye bye, I
guess you guys, And then tell those guys we said
bye yeah with our hands.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Right, and then hopefully we don't trip on the way out,
so off stage.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Then we left like fucking Charlie Brown like huh, I
guess they didn't like it. That's sad. You know what's funny?
We do? So San Diego, you're kicking off the twenty
nineteen spring tour. Congratulations, it's very exciting. Yeah. One part

(06:07):
of that though, is aside from like, since this is
my twenty eighteen Winter Tour dress, as we're standing in
the dressing room doors doorget's talk about her dress. And
then I was like, I should have gotten mind dry clean.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
That's one of those things things I am so much time.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, that's all on that list.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
All the time in the world.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Be clean. Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Basics, the basics.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
But because it's the first show, we don't have as many,
like we don't have these road dog anecdotes that we
usually do and oh my god, we usually.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Have, right, I mean little lantrippers and stuff old.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
But here's what did happen.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
And this made me laugh because you were like, what
do we talk about when we get out there? And
I was just like, I know what I'm going to
talk about. Oh, because on the way down we stopped
it in and out. Yeah, gotta that's what a hamburger's
all about. So you have to do it. And George
and I before we left, Oh, no, you want to

(07:09):
tell this.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
No, I forgot already about it. No, you're gonna tell
it in front of a lot of people. This is Yeah,
there's a ton of fucking people out there.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah, Okay, go ahead. So, as you may know, Georgia
likes to do fun, physical surprises to me, so like,
and we've talked about it before, like we were.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
In New York and that is like not in front
of a bunch of people. It's like on the podcast
where I'm like, I love to fart, but it's like
we're in the my living room, right. But you know,
you're not. What I'm saying is you're not shy.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
You're not. That's not a natural set point for you.
I think you're very bold and your body positive and
your fun, your fun, thank you, and you want to
have fun. So oftentimes I'll go up and be like, hey,
you have my blow dryer, and then I'm knocking her
hotel room door and she opens it completely naked.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's happened several times.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's funny. You should try it, nake. It's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
It's hilarious, and she has her eyes wide and her
mouth open, so it's like it's surprise VACD. It's really lifetime.
It's like a shock scare, like like a haunted house.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
That's what you're going for with your hotel shock.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Scar No, no, so so so that one of those
fun things is just they'll just.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Be private but very presentational.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Farting every once in a while, it's.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Like a it's like a punctuation mark at the end
of a joke. That's not funny. If you tell a
stupid joke and it doesn't land fart at the end
of the art it's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Like and you do a little like it's like a huh,
it's hilarious. I laugh every single fucking time. Nothing's funnier,
thank you. Real time farting is better than any thing
that's ever been written in Mike Sweeney's or The Onion.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
It's just the best.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
It's risky, it's vulnerable, it's loud, it smells so all
the things she wanted to joke call. It's called the
Magic four. We go into the bathroom, in and out. Uh,
there's people in there. When we go in, I go
into the stall. Georgia's messing around at the sink the

(09:17):
way she.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Likes to do.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
I'm like a cat. I'm ringing the water exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
You know how I like to do.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Don't do I have to hit her to get her
down off the sink. So I'm in the stall and it's.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
This kind of stall that looks like it's one big stall,
not what it was, which is too stall with two
different people, and two different people one of them was
not me.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
It was a stranger.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Stranger I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
So I just hear this from inside the stall. I
just hear I think you went something like you crack
me if I'm wrong with somebody, like hey like that.
And then I had already heard the lady shuffling around
and the other stall.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I knew there was someone there, hadn't.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Heard her, so I'm immediately crying on the toilet, and
then I hear her, then her toilet flushes, and then
I hear.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Georgia go, is there someone else in here?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I just hear the door open and shut.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
She was fucking gone.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
I laughed, and then Karen walks out. I say, there's
someone else in there, right as Karen's bathroom door opened,
and she's just nodding at me with like this gleeful face.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Was so terrible. But what I didn't realize I didn't
I didn't cover my own six because Georgia ran out
before the lady came out, of the stall. So I'm
there washing my hands and laughing at her. Yes, the
lady comes out. I'm in the farting position. Now, I
did it. I did it. I was not my intention.
I did it. It looked like I did it and

(10:48):
was laughing at myself and washing my hands.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
One rule of far chokes is you always take responsibility
for your own fart chokes.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I'd never pin that on someone else.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
You know, you've come back in the bathroom. Hey lady,
that was me.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Look I want to talk about listen today, look at this,
and then I'll do it again to prove it.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Watch this, watch this and that.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh don't we have some really terrible photos to.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I think we do. Oh, by the way, this is
a podcast, my favorite murder. Right. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
That's Karen Calgara and that's Georgia Hart. Start. We're very
excited to be here with you.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
We're very happy to see you.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Thank you so much, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Goodbye.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
So yeah, we left, we left in and out Vincus driving.
I'm navigating. That's a mistake. And it turns out the
city of like I don't know what it is like,
Oh my god, it's it's like in the middle of
it all where it is Carson Carson. No, I don't exactly,
it's probably Carson. There's just a lot of construction right now,
and so we get lost immediately. I must start going

(12:02):
the wrong way then on a one way street.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, they're actually building an overpass to connect to one
of the one hundred thousand freeways down here, So we
kind of go under, not a finished overpass, but like
the wooden, wobbly eighteen hundred structure of an oververpass.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Of future of the tensive. It's going to be.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, it's like, let's get away from this area.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, we took some photos for you, so but wait
to go around. And truly, I don't think it was
on the map. Ways was like, fuck you, I'm aware you're.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Going to hang out down there. Then where we can't
help you. I told you where to go.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
So here's where we end up.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
This is now if you can tell Oh, wait, I
think you should go forward one Okay, okay, can you
see how Oh yeah, it's an overpass exit.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
To fucking nowhere.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
As you said, it's fucking straight Sandra Bullock, Yes, overpassed.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
This is where they shot that scene in Speed where
she impossibly jumps a bus.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Amazing, amazing, and so that can you go back?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
So basically this was on her left, and this was
in front of us, and we're like, well, I guess
we have to go up here. Like it just looked
like now you you took a wrong turn. Now you
have to go kill yourself in your own car. Yeah,
good luck, Yeah, go by? All right?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Who was something? Oh?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (13:33):
And then okay, here we go. There it is my mom,
my mom. Steven's not here. I know, I'm actually surprised.
Usually when it's close, he wants to come. Yeah, but listen,
there's Kats and there's Stephen, and he doesn't tend to
not be with one at all times.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I might be going through a rebellious stage teenage Stephen.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
I don't care about your show.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now I'm the perk baby.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
He's got his own life now. This table has nice
leggings on. Yeah, isn't it? This table looks like me
after the show. Actually it's pretty much exactly my outfit.
That's you.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know how you like to put your clothes over
your toes. Do you want to sit down?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Should we let's do it?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Ooh?

Speaker 1 (14:23):
I like these yeah, should we take these for my
new house? Take these home today? Yes, this is a
I can deal with a chair like this. Oh, we're
a little.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
How are you okay? Fucking petite?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
You're so tiny. He was just a little girl in
a huge chair.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
H It is a little weird when happened.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's just okay, what HI.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Just don't talk about it. No, did your dress split open?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Not?

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh, not any more than it already did.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I brought a backup dress dressed in case and it's black.
So I feel like it's one of those things where
it's just like, you know, it's like a threat to
myself that if I fuck this dress up, I have
to just put on an old dress. Yeah, I don't
know want to do that.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Just add that pressure.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Like Tanya Harding's mom, CON's just constantly be your own
Tanya Harding's mom to yourself. That's how you get to
the Olympics.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
And that's what I'm trying for. It was the Olympics. Yeah,
a podcast the Olympics. That's right.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Oh my god, they're in three years, they're going to
be in soul.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
I'm first, No, it's me, Oh right, Yeah, are these
open stain. We make them come to the theater, open
our waters and then go.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
And then drive home.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, and we don't give them gas money. Oh did
you just spill over shit?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Okay, you don't know me. Oh my god, it's drunk
Karen Hippit. Don't be a bitch and you can party
with me.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Now. It's turning into a weird ex Haley thing. That
that's not drunk Karen. That's a sexy lady trunk. Karen
was not sexy. I guarantee you that. Okay, I'm starting
off tonight. And here's what's funny. When this event happened
in real time. I remember watching it on TV, but

(16:39):
I've never thought about doing it for any of our
live shows down here because Dave Anthony and Garareth Reynolds
at the Doll Up did it on their sixth episode
long long ago, and it was so fucking hilarious that
I was like, well, you just kind of can't do
that ever again. But then I was like, fuck them.
So I'm doing San Diego's nineteen ninety five tank round page.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
What do you remember this?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Were you?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
How old were you at thirteen ninety five? Yeah? I
was fifteen and fucking live in my sad life in
Orange County?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
What were you doing?

Speaker 1 (17:19):
What were you doing when you were fifteen?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Fifteen?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I think was the prime raveyers. Don't split that out raves.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
They were raves. Did you wear Junco jeans?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
No? But I wore vinyl pants? Right, vinyl pants, Okay?
Or sometimes I wear I get dressed up and wear
like a cheerleaders, like, you know, like a cheerleader on
next to sea outfit, like a like a club kid,
but cheer like making fun of cheerleaders.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
But was it? Did I really?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
And then yeah, like you're pretending that you hate cheerleaders,
Like clearly you would love to be a cheerleader, making
fun of the thing you can't have, just so you
don't feel bad about not you know, you get it.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's called life.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Welcome to it. None of us belong, okay, tanks till
we go, tanks don't.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Thanks, don't ninety five? I was twenty five, thanks, And
I was on so much speed that I would just
I would wake up, like entirely awake at like five
am and stare out the window and not blink for
seven hours. It was rough. So if you were around

(18:35):
or conscious or having a time. In ninety five, you
will have seen this on the news.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
It was a guy.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
That drove a tank for twenty three minutes around San
Diego and it was fucking nuts. Now, that in and
of itself is plenty of story. There's plenty of story
with just that. And my assumption is that's very sad.
Clearly somebody had mental illness. Clearly there was issue behind it,
you know whatever. Then you dig into the actual story

(19:03):
and it's so so much more. So let's talk about it.
And we're talking about a man named Sean Nelson. He
is the guy that ended up commandeering a tank from
the National Guard armory which was not locked. That should
be locked.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
It should I feel like the National Guard should have
the best security.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
You would think just name alone, you would think that
that would be a thing they were into. Yeah, even
if it was just for the show of it, like
I love to wear this outfit. Yeah, they'd be like,
but so sorry, I'm guarding this. What's your business here? No,
in ninety five, that wasn't the case.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Listen, we're not we're not shaming the what do they
call them, the National Guard? The National Guard, We're not
national armed forces.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, no, never, not at all.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
What we're talking about really is, at the end of
the day, meth we're going to be talking about a
lot tonight. Oh so smoke him if you got him
so quick.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Background Sean Nelson.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
He was born in birdseye Utah, on August twenty first,
nineteen fifty nine. His father was in the military. He
grows up in the Claremont neighborhood of San Diego, which is, yeah,
Claremont is kind of where all this happens. It's also
where the armory is, where the super loosey goosey chill
Armory is.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, now you guys know.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
He joins the Army.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
He's in it for two years, in the tank division. WHOA,
that's called foreshadowing. He loves tanks.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
He loves tanks. I'm sure they make you feel great.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
You're all protected and you can kind of drive around
real slow. So but after two years he leaves the
army and he goes down to Panama.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
He works on a fishing boat.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Eventually he comes back home and he starts a plumbing
business and he does great. So that's all good. The
problem was around the late eighties, the wall came down
and the Cold War ended, and so because a lot
of the military action slowed down, then the economy in

(21:16):
this area slowed down because it's there's a it's a
very military based economy around here. So there was a
downturn economically here.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
That plumbing business dright up, you're saying people stopped shitting entirely.
He just stopped flushing, you know they were. They let
it mellow all over town.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
And no, no, what actually happened was and this is interesting,
this is from the dollup, this is Dave's research. But basically,
methanphetamine was something that the that military have used for
years and years.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Oh that's what they gave kamikaze.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Pilots, right, but those yes, also Hitler loved it. Oh
sure he was.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
He was super stoked.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
About any kind of amphetamine. Yeah. So apparently, and according
to Dave Anthony, meth came into the United States through
San Diego.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
So guys where yes.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I thought you guys were better than that.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
So uh, basically, so when things slow down, people start
using the cheapest drugs made of ajax that they can find.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I can guarantee you that that fucking meth made its
way to Irvine.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yeah, I felt that that's right.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
It made its way anywhere where the children were bored
and had big speakers to dance in front of as
you as you have told me. Okay, So Sean Nelson
has a terrible run of luck. It's very sad. He's
he starts using meth, his wife of six years files
for divorce.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Then he loses both of.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
His parents to cancer in nineteen ninety two. Then he
gets into a motorcycle accident, and the theory is that
he was on drugs because when he got to the
emergency room, he got into physical altercation with the security
guards there and was fighting them even though they were
trying to treat him because he was super fucked up

(23:23):
from a bad motorcycle accident.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
He ends up.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Suing the hospital for one point six million dollars and
the lawsuit is dropped or you know, the the judge
says goodbye. Then the hospital counter sues him for the
sixth grand he owes them for the medical treatment that
he says he didn't want. Holy shit. Yeah, so it's
there's some there's some issues that maybe meth isn't helping.

(23:55):
Great and I will say in a non judgmental former speed.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
At it way.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I'm just seeing some patterns that I recognize it myself. Now,
he moves into this little house and unfortunately, and usually
the way it goes with meth and the people that
I know that have been addicted to math, it turns out,
oh my god, his neighbor is kind of like a
meth dealer. She lives right next door. She's she's more

(24:24):
of like I wouldn't. I don't know if she was
a full fledged dealer, but she was like a holder
of meth and a gatherer of meth minded people.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
This is a fucking storyline on Breaking Bad. When Jesse
Pinkman moves next door to.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, that's right, and everyone comes some parties at his house. Sure, yeah, yeah.
So there's so many you please listen to episode six
of The Doll Up. There's so many fucking crazy stories.
But essentially, he's just doing meth, doesn't have a lot
of work to do. Everyone around him is doing meth.
So they're doing stuff like grown men are wrestling each

(25:00):
other in the backyard like like you know, Golden style, oh,
you know, suplex or whatever style wrestling. And when him
and his friend do this one time, his friend throws
him on the ground and breaks his back. You guys,
don't do it. Yeah, don't do that. That's off.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Don't do meth wrestling.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Also, so he has a broken back, he's you know,
he's you know, a very lawsuit attracted. I guess we
could say just lots and lots of issues. And the
issues are building. And then, as we know, if you
do a lot of drugs, you start to lose your

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sense of true reality and you start to live in
a reality that the drugs are dictating. And this is
what happens to Sean because Sean one day becomes convinced
that he has found a nugget of gold in his
own backyard. What yes, So he begins to mine for
goal his backyard. No, yes, oh no, there's a photo.

(26:04):
So there's that's Sean Nelson. He looks so normal. Yeah,
and in his better day is clearly like looks very healthy, looks,
he looks happy. Here's his He ends up diggings a
seventeen foot hole in his backyard. Oh, holy shit, Holy

(26:27):
this is what meth can do for you.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I mean, I couldn't do that, and I'm not on meth.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yes, determination, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
You know what I noticed though, He's wearing his wedding ring. Still,
I don't know why I noticed that.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
That that's Kevin Nelson.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Great, I see that by the name next to his face.
I now see that.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Look, we didn't see these pictures beforehand. Steven puts all
kinds of surprises on here. Yeah that's not Sean, got
it because it says Kevin. Yeah, I think it's I
think it might be brother or relative, Nate.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Kevin put it in on it. Okay, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
He's Shawn is together enough still that he is convincing
the people around him that this is a possibility, and
how exciting if it was on.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
It's your yard.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, and there's a goal mine right fucking there and diego.
Nobody knew. So that's what I picture myself doing. It's
like you find that nugget that you hold it up
to the sun. Yeah, and then all your problems are solved. No,
it turns out the details of this are crazy, but
the actual you know, clearly, this mind shaft that he

(27:37):
built is professional. He's he knows how to work some
tools and handle some shit. And he starts getting the
the meth fans.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
That are around to come on over, and then.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
The idea is you work on the mine with me,
and then you can get a cut of the gold
when we finally strike it rich.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
And in the meantime you can help me out by
giving me meth.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, don't be That was actually part of it. Is
if you want to come over, if you want to
work on the mine, you have to bring that. So
it was like a gold mining meth party in this
backyard all the time. Wow, all I want is to
watch like a four hour series interviewing the neighbors while
this was going down, Because it's one thing when someone

(28:21):
has like a like a teeky themed party in their
backyard one night, where you're like, all right, yeah, but
this was a he was he was using He was
using his own jacuzzi as a sluice.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
So he was like running dirt through the jacuzzi.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
To ca and then panning up to see if the
goal came through. Yes, a perfectly good jacuzzi. Yes that
hurts you, especially, does I fucking love a jacuzzi? You guys.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And see this is what drugs do. Yeah, you no
longer see the value of your jiguzzi. You just want
that gold you could buy.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
A hundred jacozzies when you find the goal.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
The future promise is of one hundred jacuzzies lined up
and you can just go from one to the other
all night.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, we've gotta get that goal.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Smoke snort, Okay. The neighbors, of course, file noise complaints
with the police. Sean files a complaint against the police
for harassment because no one's letting him do his have
his dream. So in February of nineteen ninety five, so

(29:34):
this goes on for like this is you know, his
drug uses ramping up, and the psychosis around it is
ramping up. Obviously. In February of ninety five, he files
a tries to file a claim with the city of
San Diego that he can mine bedrock in his own backyard.

(29:55):
He goes to city hall and he's like, I want
to file this claim for my backyard, for the goal
in my backyard, and they're like, it's your fucking backyard, dude,
you can do whatever. Really, yeah, you don't need to claim.
You you could dig your entire backyard up and throw
it away and that's yours to do, okay, And.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
That's what I did.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
At what point do you get to the part that
belongs to San Diego.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Now you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Like, do you buy your house to the core of
the earth.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
That is the best fucking question I've ever heard. Do
you own the fucking magma layer beneath your house?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
That else?

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Is that your ship? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I mean, but what do you mean? Yes, I was curious.
I wonder core of the right down far down? Do
you own when you buy a house? Right because I'm
on to dig up my fucking new backyard.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Dig it up and get that those precious metals for yourself,
that magma.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Get that magma.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I think it's like if you I think you stop
owning it when you pop up in Sydney, Australia and
they're like, no, mate, that's not yours, that's my gold.
Now here's another thing that gets crazy.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
They do find a little bit of gold.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Oh yes, wait, that part's real. Well I didn't say
it was real.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
I just said that they found gold.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Okay. What was happening was Sean was buying no gold
from neighborhood teens what and melting it down and bearing
it in the mind for people to discover. I have
so many questions.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
The number one is like the idea of these fucking
teens dealing drugs, Yeah, they're dealing gold.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Well, there were visionaries. It was nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Cash for gold had not been invented yet, but they
were like, I'm fine, this is a niche that needs
to be filled. It was it was Hammer. You know,
Hammer does all those cash for gold commercials well as
a teen no, So basically they'd be like, here's that
gold you wanted. He'd be like, thanks, I'm gonna go
smelt for a while. He would hide it. Then he'd

(32:16):
be like, I think I hid something over here, Dan,
And then another method would come over and be like,
what the it's real, And then they'd be like, okay,
here's my meth packet. Let's celebrate. And it would It
was basically this kind of self perpetuating gold mine situation
that was fake, but it seemed like Sean believed in

(32:38):
it because he wanted to own the claim. He basically
wanted to make sure the city wasn't going to take
his gold. The city was like, we don't give those.
He got super mad and stayed mad about it for
a long time because of the myth. So then there
was a the downward spiral comes in April. He's been

(32:58):
mining for the meth goal for nine months.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
This is the downward spiral.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I feel like it already happened. We just peaked.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Now it's gonna go like this.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Okay, yeah, that was the fun like screaming part of
the roller coaster. Now we're about to entirely go off
the rails. So he hasn't paid his mortgage in nine months.
Of course, someone stole his plumbing tools somewhere along the line,
so we can't even go back to his regular job.
And he's kind of beyond that anyway. And his water

(33:29):
and his power get turned off, which is tough on
a mine. You need that water, that chakoozie. It's tough
for the jacuzzie. He's gonna get a big crank on
the side of it. Just pictured in your mind, give
it a moment. And his only friend left is this
guy Chuck, who's also on a ton of meth. And

(33:50):
on that episode of The Doll Up, they played audio
tape of Chuck explaining stuff. And unless you would get
PTSD on it like I did, you should listen to
it because it's just a person on drugs, Like it's
just the best.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Anti drug PSA in the world.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Just kind of a guy to the strug, right, It's
like none of that made sense, Okay, Sean one night
goes down into the mine and sees God, and.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Wow, did he buy it from teens and put it
down there?

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Everyone else is they're pulling their mom's necklaces out of
the bag.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
And then one teen's like.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Hey, check this shit out.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
It's the Lord forty bucks forty. Before he sees God,
he sees a pyramid. Nope, uh, and there's a dragon
inside the pyramids. As you know, there always is God.

(35:00):
And then he gets the message him and Chuck are
supposed to fight this dragon.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Wrestling style in the backyard. Snap it snap it's back.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
In April of ninety five, his living girlfriend dies of
a drug overdose.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
No so yeah, we're going off the rails.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
He files a two million dollar damage claim against the city,
one for police negligence and one for false arrest. In
May of ninety five, the house gets foreclosed on. So
basically it kind of all the plans and schemes and
everything I've just have crashed and burned horribly. So page

(35:45):
three on the afternoon of May eighteenth, nineteen ninety five,
Sean Nelson gets into his van and he drives to
the National Guard Armory in Claremont neighborhood of San Diego.
He's shirtless and he's got a plan.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
You can't have You have to have both. It can't
be one of the others.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
That's right. If you've got a plan, take off that shirt.
Let everyone know if you're wearing a shirt, but you've
got a plan.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Strip.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
He told his friend he was going to drive a
tank to City Hall. He was going to pull the
tank up on the steps of City Hall and then
demand to be on TV so he could make a statement.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Okay, I'm following so far right. That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
It's pretty simple plan. Why you can't just walk to
the steps and stand there, maybe in a suit. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
I don't know the plan. Your shirt is still on.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I just reported clearly I'm not in on the plan
because I've got my top on. So, either just by
chance or because it's what the lord wanted. When he
went to the National Armory vehicle yard, it was not locked,
so he drove the armory, drove on, then went up

(37:03):
to the.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yard chain link fence opened.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
It drove on up to a tank and began getting
up onto the tanks and trying the hatches to get in.
And he he had a crowbar, so he was crowbarring
his way in. And once he got he got into
all three tanks that shall not be that easy to
get into. Well, he was a tank man. He knew

(37:27):
exactly where to crowbar at.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
But the first one.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Here's a very interesting fact that I learned kind of
half researching. This is the M six, a three patent tank.
It starts, thank you, It's called cut and paste.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I don't know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I'm like a child. Those types of tanks. They start with.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
A push button way ahead of its time.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, yeah, like a fancy like a BM Debt Prius
or something exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
That's like I was like, what, how do you need
a key for a tank? Because I was already there.
I mean, now, I believe you should have to.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Truly, there should be individual keys for every tank that
only like two guys have. But apparently, once you get in,
if you know what button to push and like how
to go like this or whatever. I'm doing this based
on video games I've seen, you.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Can do it. So basically he gets to his third.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Tank and that's when the one guardsman who is there
finally sees him and is like, what the fuck And
he realizes the guy's in the tank and the tank
has started and it's starting to move. So instead of
trying to run to the tank or do the dipshit
things you see people do in movies where you're like,
don't run up to a tank, it's don't shoot at
a tank, he immediately just calls the police and is like,

(38:48):
there's a guy that's twice steal a tank.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I was going to the bathroom. I might have been
in there a little too long. I guess the gate
was not locked.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
However, I was just trying to be a little different
today than I normally am.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
I'm it's hard to let your guard down.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, so I unlocked the gate and worked on my vulnerability.
Someone took advantage of me. I'm never going to do
it again. Basically, this guardsman's on the phone with the
cops and he's like, yeah, so I got a guy.
He's taken one of my tanks. I only have three.
He can't.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Oh there he goes. He's driving over the.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Chain link fence oh yeah, okay, this is your problem now,
San Diego Police Department in Sheriff's office.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Goodbye.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Oh my god. Yeah. So now Sean Nelson is luckily
the onboard cannon, aircraft gun and machine gun were not loaded. Whew, yes, yeah,
thank god. So no weapons involved, except of course for
the tank.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Tank okay, right, which could also be used as a
weapon as a kind of anything anyways, can be used
as like a short Godzilla.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
It's how I is what I like to call tanks
from my time in the Navy. So he starts driving
a fifty seven ton tank through the Claremont neighborhood of
San Diego. I keep calling it that for people who
don't know San Diego well enough. And it is just

(40:26):
drawing everything in its path, obviously, road signs, traffic lights,
utility poles, fire hydrants, tons of parked vehicles, including an RV.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
All right, let's take a little look.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
And because he called the cop the guardsmen called the
cops immediately.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Then the press knew.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Immediately, so there was fucking news. Copter seven was in
the air, too sweet, and the entire twenty three minute
drive was it was broadcast the entire time.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Karen Kilgaroff's twenty five year old.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Eyeballs where I was just like in the living room smoking, like,
have to stop taking speed. I'm seeing my own future.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Oh oh that's blurry. Let's yes, I'm totally saying that.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
That's a fucking street light.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Jesus. Question what was.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
He listening to on his disc?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Man? Oh, had to be slip not, had to be slipnot.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Oh yeah, they didn't even they weren't even invented yet.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
And he was just like play.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
I don't know if they had an old like a
boom box right there.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
He even flew something like that.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Definitely he was a chill he was what do you
listen to on meth Oh?

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Everything at once. You just press play a cacophony.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
You scream over the music as it's playing. Just listen.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Oh yeah, which are honey? Like, well, I have to
take a picture for the insurance man. Oh, I don't
care that it's dangerous. They're gonna need a picture.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Oh my goodness, that's glorious.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
You know that that car was like immaculate on the inside.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
It had a box of cleanex.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Up in the back. Yes, it was. She armoralled those
seats every day and then fuck just flatten.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
She had all those boxes of clean Exes in the
trunk for when the one in the back ran out.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
She was actually, uh, the Claremont neighborhoods Cleenex dealer, which
is it's that's a whole different.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, that's my story that I'm the tears.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, look at it and my pinto what's up?

Speaker 1 (42:53):
And there's a flood because he probably hit a fire hydrants.
He hit lots of fire hydrants apparently apparently.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Oh and you know what else he did is he
took down some power lines and some utility polls, so
fifty one hundred San Diegans were left with no power.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
So everybody else was love.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
They're like, look at this live fucking low speed chase
on the news. You have to come and watch this,
and then I can't gather around it. Yeah, I can't
watch it and am cold. It's only going to take
me about twenty minutes to find my spot on this
piece of paper. Again. The tank had a fuel range

(43:37):
of three hundred miles, but it could only go thirty
miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Oh what a bummer.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
So now San Diego Police, San Diego County Sheriff's Department,
Highway Patrol, and the military police are all involved in
what is arguably the slowest high speed chase in American history.
We have the oh my look of the military men.

(44:03):
And that's just a pity. That's just a shame. You
know what.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
That's a waste. It's a waste.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
It's a waste.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
We'll kind I'm like, this is not my America, you
know what.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
I think we should put locks on these gates.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I really do.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
I do, and I'm gonna bring it up at the
next meeting. I think it's important. Okay, here's here's this.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Remember this shit?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
I mean, wow, yeah, yeah, what are each of those
cops listening to? What what are each of those cops
listening to Tony.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Robbins books on tape just about being positive and staying positive.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And they get on their walkie talkies and they say,
I'll press play at the same time because they want
to be at the same part with each other. Ready one,
we're gonna press play three on three or after? Do
we press it when it's supposed for your one two three?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
They press it like we don't. Never got to be clear, Tony,
tell me more.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Sorry, So rusty.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
What was it always it's hard to turn pages. Okay,
he went okay, before he got to the freeway. So
he's driving around as I've said, Claremont. Then he goes
north on Convoy Street West.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
You guys, you love it.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
You might want to hold for all these streets. You
can absolutely individually cheer for every fucking street if you
want to. But I'm gonna name a couple. He goes
north on Convoy. He goes west onto Balboa. Okay, god right,
I love that one. Balbo is amazing. Okay, I just

(45:50):
love the asphalt on it. It's so smooth.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
There's that one Starbucks dride through. There's never a line.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
We have to go there tomorrow. Then it gets on
the eight oh five South. Do you know that one?
In one of our live shows we made jokes, or
maybe on the Just Regular podcast we made jokes about

(46:18):
what freeway are you?

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Someone asks that in a Q and A episode, Okay,
free would you be? And we answered it totally fucking
earnestly for some because it's like a great question.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
We're like, oh, that's interesting. Then at a live show
at the last tour, these lovely women, of course we
don't know their names or can't describe them in any way,
but still there's so much gratitude there. They give us
these lovely boxes. We opened them, their little pendants with
little freeway signs of the freeways we said we were
And I almost cried. I go, did you make this

(46:49):
for us? And the girl goes, no, no, somebody makes sense.
She's like, don't be gross.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I don't like you that much. I like shopping for Yes, yes,
it was amazing at someone get the someone be the
eight oh five.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah, it's it's somebody nice and wide thick. Fine, I'll
do it.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
I'm good, I'm good with it.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Okay, So, while he's driving down this freeway, he tries
to take out a pedestrian bridge with Now, listen, it
sounds maybe crazy, but then if you're on drugs and
you're in a tank and you're doing it anyway, when
you drive up on some shit, you're probably like, well,
let's just see if I can knock this down before
this ends terribly. Yeah. He rams it a couple times,

(47:40):
nothing happens, so he keeps going, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
He merges onto Route one sixty three south. Uh huh,
you guys love your freeway.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah, well that one is especially amazing because of all
the trees that hang over.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, is that true?

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I just made it up.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
The people who have never listened to this podcast, more
so than the actual murder part, are like why are
people fucking cheering? Orally like why are they cheering for murderers?
Or like they're not chearing for murderers, But then they're like,
why are they cheering for fucking freeway?

Speaker 2 (48:16):
It's the best, there's something about it. We were like,
I have to sit on this piece of shit every day.
Now somebody's talking about it, I'm gonna be like, I
know what you're talking about. Yeah, that's my freeway that
makes me suffer every goddamn day.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Okay, anyhow, almost done.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
So they when he emerges onto that street, officials close
the freeway.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
So now everybody.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
On this fucking what looks like a twenty four lane
freeway is stuck stopped and they're just stopped on the freeway. Yeah,
and that's that basically happens all over San Diego because
of this. So oh, and then I wrote and when
they find out why they're into it, because wouldn't you
if somebody's like, oh, all this traffic stopped, and you're
like trying to find out why it was on the radio?

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Who the fuck did whatever?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Can me turn off my Tony Robin right snap?

Speaker 2 (49:11):
And then someone's like someone's driving a tank all over
the place.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
He'd be like, yes, I hope he drives it over here.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Wouldn't you drive it by my house?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah, there's also on the doll up. There was a
they mentioned Dave watched a video of a guy who
watched the tank go by.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
They had they had the audio of the guy talking about.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
It, and he said, he goes that little guy went by.
His head was sticking out, he was smiling, having a
great time.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
So there is maybe the little light in the end
of the tunnel in this story. It's not called meth,
that's for sure. There's a light at the Oh no,
that's more math. Okay, Okay. So the police they're like,
we have to stop this because obviously this fucking mayhem
and insanity and fire hydrants shooting today.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
So a little embarrassing for the department, very embarrassing for
the military industrial accomplex.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
They're not liking it that much, Okay, So they start
trying to plan. The police and law enforcement start trying
to plan with the Marine Corps Camp Pendleton how they're
going to stop the tank, and right.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Go Pensland. The fighting, Oh god, just do it fighting,
don't overthink it.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yep, you've got this.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Is because I'm talking a whole time. I screwed it up.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
All I got is kitchen cabinets.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yes, great, because of a kitchen cabinet came running at
you on a football field, You're fuck.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah, go an anthropomorphesized? Is that right? Can it?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
That's right?

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Being like, what's up? We're gonna beat either. I'm all
elbows slivers, slivers, slivers, okay, sliver. We're talking about Camp
Pendleton like it's a college, and we know that that's incorrect.
We know that.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, my brother went there to that college. Did he
go to Camp Pendleton College.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
For the Marines? Are you serious? Yes?

Speaker 1 (51:27):
All right? I would never I would never joke about
such a thing.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Please never joke about anything like that.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
So basically, a you're talking to the Marines, They're like,
who can stop a tank?

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Anybody?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
And the Marines are like, listen, we've got a Cobra
attack helicopter that we're willing to bring.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
In fuck and guess what, we have it here because
we put a lock on the gate. Yes, they just
like wanted to rub it in a little.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You've noticed you've never heard of any civilian driving our
Cobra attack helicopter around.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Right, there's a simple reason.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, it's called a it's called being good at stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So, right is they're planning this, which just imagine that.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Then you're watching the news and then a fucking attack helicopter,
which I don't even know what that.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Means, just like any helicopter could be in an attack helicopter?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Really is it one of those ones that just tilts
forward really intimidatingly the whole time.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
And that's a video game? Oh I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I didn't go to Camp Pendleton.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
We better, we need to go this summer to Camp
Pendleton and just fucking do some arts and crowns. Stop it.
Please don't tell the Marines who said this. We're a fucked,
We're fucked, okay. Right is they're about to send the
Cobra attack helicopter, which I'm not only gonna look up
on Wikipedia tomorrow, but I might get a model of

(52:52):
it and make it. Yes, that's when Sean Nelson decides
he's gonna cross the freeway divide on the freeway to
like basically make a big old U turn.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
He's gonna flip a tank bitch.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
On the freeway into an oncoming traffic. But he gets
stuck on the divider.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
No, that's the one thing that he can't.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
That's the one thing that tank tanks can't handles, like
about three feet of cement kind of shaped like the
Atari logo.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
I can't uh uh.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Tank's like no.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
They were like no, I can't do this. I can't
do this anymore.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Okay. So he gets basically caught onto it, okay, and
he's stuck there and he's just trying to get off.
So all those police cars pull up, pull around, and
a couple of cops get up on top. They get
the tank open, and an officer tells Sean Nelson, take
your hands off the controls and we're getting you out

(53:56):
of this tank, okay, And he does not take his
hands off the control and he looks up at the
cop and the cops that he's just dead eyed, and
then went back to trying to get the tank off
of the divider. Oh, that cop shoots down into the tank,
shoots him in the shoulder, and that.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Bullet goes through and pierces his heart. Holy shit awful.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
So they pull Nelson out of the tank and he
is rushed from the scene. He later dies at Sharp
Memorial Hospital at the age of forty four.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
WHOA, yeah, I did not know it was ending that way, right,
we were having so much fun, I know. I told
you though, remember the roller coaster metaphor I used, Yes,
that was why I should have listened to the name
of this podcast.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Ah, you should listen to this podcast. I should. It's
really negative. The only local news station that aired that
moment was kg TV Channel ten.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Oh they're always doing shit like that on the cheering for.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
One second, uh they they continued to shoot as or
you know, to look with a camera as Nelson's body
is pulled out of the tank. And that's how Sean
Nelson's brother Scott found out that his brother was driving
the tank and was now shot.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
And he didn't even know it was. They didn't know
who it was before that, right, It was just a
I mean, just a fucking fucking dude in the tank.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Nameless faceless tank. It's a tank. So even though he
ran over forty cars down to power lines, caused power
outages and traffic jams around the city. Miraculously, the only
person hurt or killed during the tank rampage was Sean Nelson. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Craz yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Uh. The state of California ended up paying the bill
for all of that fun.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
He got the last The last laugh was the lot.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Who has the last laugh?

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, he got it?

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Who who has the last laugh?

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Georgia asks those with a tank that's right.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Uh. It amounted to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
in nineties money. Yeah, shit, and now all military tanks
in the state.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
After that, all military tanks in the state were relocated
to Camp Roberts and San Luis Obispo and Fort Irwin
and Barstow.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, keep them safe there. Those San Luis Obispo folks
won't do that.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah. It turns out San Diego lost their tank privileges
after that.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
It wasn't cool.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
And inclosing, Sean Nelson's brother Scott said, my brother was
a good man. He'd help anybody. He just couldn't help himself.
Do not do crystal meth. I'm not kidding, And that
is the San Diego tank rampage of nineteen ninety five. Wow. Oh,

(57:06):
that's it all the medians. Yeah, oh, I see how
it got stuck. That's him getting taken away.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Okay, horrible. How the fuck am I gonna follow that?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I'm sorry, ship blame the National Guard.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
I didn't fucking do it. That was amazing, great job.
All right, I'm gonna tell you Karen uh And you
may have seen this on an episode of Forensic Files
that was called This episode was called ham Delivered, which

(57:40):
you'll find out why in a minute. This is the
murder of Don Harden, you'll see. Okay, thanks, Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
That's really supportive. It doesn't sound as good. Yeah, I'm
gonna it.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Doesn't have the word tank in there. How the fuck
am I supposed to compete with that?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
But we're not.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
You're not supposed to I'm not competing. We're now in
a different individual reality. Okay, here we are. Well, we're
still in the fucking nineties. April nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Can't get away from the fucking nineties.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
It's saying thing's about to happen.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Really, no, it's saying bad things.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
You know. This is and these workers at the San
Diego Fiber Corporation. They're sitting through some cardboard and recycling bin.
You're breaking shit down, you know how they have to do?
Are you the kind of person who puts a cardboard
box in the recycler without breaking it down?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Me too, I need I don't carry an Execto knife
in my fucking pocket. Sorry, I'm not the janitor.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
The shame I get from Vince when I'm just like,
I'll just turn in who.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Cares, Just kind of smash it with your hand.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I'm gonna put other stuff inside of it.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Okay, we'll get it next week.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah. Unfortunately, these fucking dudes are doing the cardboard shit,
and they happen upon a gruesome discovery two dismembered human hands.
Oh no pair of them, two matching hands, a righty
and a lefty. Yes, the same person, right, but there's
no person. Uh and like fucking forensic files hand delivered episode,

(59:08):
how you get it?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Why they're so clever?

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Thanks Dad, good good pun Dad, Good pun Dad.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
They show the fucking hands.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I swear to god, they're just like here they are,
And I'm like, I can't what if I showed.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
You these no it's insane.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
You can look yourself later.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
It's fucking hand well, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Also, like you're working at the recycling plant.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
I bet you.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
They're on like just pins and needles constantly because they're like,
this is where something awful is going to show up.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
This is you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
They're just like every single thing. It's just like it's hey, dude,
it's just a pepsi bottle. Oh my god, what it
That's what.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I would be scaredy cats over there. Yeah, that is
what you're saying. Yeah, okay, so the hands are brought
to the fucking lab, you know. Uh?

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Now, can I ask an inappropriate question? Always since we
don't know who we're talking about him, we're still in
the early Okay, do you think people carried the hands
like this handshake style? Sorry? Sorry, sorry, my brain showed
me a picture and then I said the words about
the picture. Sorry, that's the name of this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Oh you know someone did that. There's a next right, No,
it's good, get to come back here. Okay, okay, no
shame here. It was totally in his shame corner, just
between friends. There's no shame. Here, we're all good. Okay,
take your binoculars out. This is the portion where you Okay,

(01:00:44):
So they X ray the hands to see I don't know, uh,
and they show that the joints there's degenerative damage in
the joints, which just consistent with someone over sixty. And
they're like, oh, these look like dude hands. They're dude's hands.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
It's a guy over sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
It's pretty clear. Yeah, unless you're a piano player. Related
ladies piano playing here, you know, and they always like
lotionen up and wear gloves and stuff. No, no, Based
on these fucking hands that they just show you on
forends of crowds, they're like, clearly an older man's hand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Okay, the size of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
The right there's one distinctive feature which they're hoping will
identify eventually the person. There's a thumbnail missing, like permanently
or whatever. I know. Detectives check local hospitals and morgues
are like, does anyone not have their hands? And quick
question and then I'll let you go to lunch. Yeah,

(01:01:39):
and there isn't any meanwhile, and this is related maybe. Meanwhile,
across town, a woman named Mary and a woman named
Terry sisters.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I just yeah, it's not their fault, it's their mom's fault.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
They're beginning to worry because they haven't seen their father
in over a week. Right, his name's Don Hardin, and
they call everyone. No one's heard from him. They're like,
where the fuck is he? On April sixth, they hire
a locksmith to get inside his house. They his cane
is still there, his prescription medications all there. He's not there,

(01:02:16):
and they there's like a TV guide open in March
twenty eighth, which makes him think that that was the
last time he was home.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I know TV guide is used to be such a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Like thing, like you know it's open to the TV guide.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, like people would keep it there and just be like,
what is on tonight? Like that was before anybody would
tell you anything, before the information age, when it was
up to you to find out what the fuck was
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah, well that's yeah. His TVVCR and microwave are all missing.
I hope that was one machine microwave, wouldn't that be
Why haven't they made that?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
And that TV guide was about everything where it's like
put in popcorn now, oh good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
The commerci she'll break brush your teeth and now diagnose
this murder. So and also Don Harden's pickup truck is gone,
and so the sisters file and missing person's report.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Let me show you his picture.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
He was an old navy man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yeah, he was a beard visionary. He knew what was
coming in the future, beard, the beard trend. He knew.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
He was totally from Brooklyn. So that's that's Don retired, widowed,
moved to San Diego to be closer to his to
Mary and Terry. And Okay, so while they filed the
miss from person's report, police here that this guy down
is missing a thumbnail on his hand, and so they

(01:03:45):
know immediately that and then the fingerprint analysis and the
hands are those of I'd light about his age. He's
seventy four. Ohka, he's a retired Navy pilot. And they
searched his home and find evidence of robbery, but no
signs of forced entry.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
They look out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
You know, for stolen items at pawn shops and shit,
but the only thing that's found is this wallet, driver's
license and some army metals in a dumpster, which is
crazy that they were even found. Right, Yeah, in the kitchen,
it's obvious to detectives that there's been cleanup, and then
as well as a trail of blood from the kitchen

(01:04:21):
to the living room, they do the luminol shit, you know, Yeah,
and the shower curtains missing always a bad sign, and
they find blood stains, et cetera. They do the luminol
and large pools of blood in both the kitchen and
the bathroom are found. One of the investigators said it
was the most luminal he's ever seen light up in
his life. And he said it glowed like a Christmas tree,

(01:04:44):
so the worst Christmas tree ever.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
It's so funny too, like as you say the word luminol,
it's like you can track how crime scene investigation has
developed because before the DNA thing, it was all about
that luminol. It was like a Forensic Files episode. Every
Forensic Files there was a moment where there's like the
vroal footage of like a light going off and everything

(01:05:09):
turning horribly blue.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
I wonder if they still even use it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
And I'll make some calls.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
He thank you, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
DNA test show DNA tests from ninety four, which I'm
sure were great, show that the blood is Don Harden's
and the amount of blood. The forensic pathologist is like,
he didn't, this is he died for sure, and then
they were like, also he was dismembered in the bathtub
based on the blood. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
It sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
So police tell the harden's daughters and they're completely and
fucking shocked because they don't know anyone who would want
to kill her dad. He's like a lovely man to that,
you know, a kind man. And one of as evidence
to this, he always aided homeless people. And one of
the ways he did that was hiring them to do
odd jobs around his property, and he would let them

(01:05:59):
live in a hamper in his backyard as well. Foreshadowing.
But neighbors all, well, let's see dad, come on, okay,
and the daughters were like kind of glad that someone
was there with him so they could keep an eye
on him in case of emergency. He's an older man.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
He uses a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Cane and on March twenty eighth, the day that the
TV guide was open to ninety four, Don is last
seen by neighbors driving his truck and one of those
homeless men is a passenger in that truck. His name's
Dale Whitmer. He's a forty one year old drifter who pully.
He's a record for vacancy and intoxication, but no history

(01:06:35):
of violence. And they see him later in the truck
and Don isn't there, and they see him backing up
close to Harden's house and putting shit in the truck
and later in the days, so they pick him up
for questioning. He denies knowledge of Don's whereabouts, doesn't know
what happened to him. He says he loaned him the

(01:06:57):
pickup truck but hadn't seen him since, and says that
he had worked for Don Harden on and off for years,
and he thought of the old man almost like a
father figure. But friends and neighbors are like, no, he
fucking doesn't, because he was talking shit all over town
about Don Harden, and he said he would that Don

(01:07:17):
had a bad temper and he was always calling him
names and poking at him and like yelling at him,
he says, because he was like working around his house.
That was his side of the story. So so they
asked him to do a polygraph test. He's like, nopes
out of there, and he's obviously the lead suspect, but

(01:07:38):
they only had circumstantial evidence there's no other body parts
to be tested, so that there's no other leads, and
the case goes cold. And then a year later police
receive an anonymous letter. Oh wait, I have a photo
of Dale Whimer. Oh, Patrick fucking Swayzee, Oh his evil

(01:07:58):
twin brother.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Yes, this was before the outsiders.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Yeah, I don't. We've said it a thousand times.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
But you do transition lenses.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
It is seventeen red flags in a row.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yeah, you don't what your convenience of having sunglasses indoors
to intentionally creep people out so they can't watch your
pupils as they narrow and as you find your prey. Yeah,
just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Absolutely not. We're against them, so okay. A year later
they receive an anonymous letter and in the letter it
details the murder of Don Harden and the it's a
bunch of shit that hadn't been released the public. However,
then they were like, like, for the fact that he
was dismembered in the bathtub, and it's like, well, where
the fuck else would be? You could have guessed that

(01:08:49):
pretty easily. Yes, that's true. Like, I don't know, but
they knew that, and so they the cops thought it
was legit, and the writer was like, I know what
this info friend.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Let's call him Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
He was the he's the one who who knows that
who the killer is because he told him about it,
and it's Dale Whitmer. So he said he killed him
because Dale hated Don Harden and he and he was
a heroin addict. So it's also he, you know, wanted
to pawn his shit. And he claims that he put

(01:09:23):
the body into the bathtub, dismembered it, and then put
it in garbage bags bearing different bags all over the
county and in Mexico. Wo yeah and the fucking yeah
uh yeah, yeah truly. So the letters on to say
that this person, Bob, who had told this letter writer
about it, won't come forward to testify against Dale. He

(01:09:44):
doesn't want to tell anyone about it. And the letter
writer says, quote, I asked him to contact you directly,
but he didn't feel like he could do it. Bob
is convinced that Dale will know Bob is the source
of the information and may try to silence him or
hurt him in some way. So this fucking person doesn't
even want to talk about it. And it's clear to
the police that the person who wrote the letter does

(01:10:05):
want to help those so they're like, let's find this
person who wants to be anonymous. Great, so here's luminol. No,
let's put luminol on everything right now. So the forensic
document office in San Diego Police Department they analyze the letter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
And so here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
This is a mistake that you shouldn't that you won't
make in the future. I guess when you're committing a
crime or writing an anonymous letter. He doesn't put a
person who sent it, doesn't put a stamp on it.
He puts it through the office automatic pica, you know,
the stamp machine. Sure he does that. That's a mistake
because the postal meter, the it prints a number on

(01:10:44):
the envelope with the stamp of the number of the
serial number of the meter. But the guy person who
wrote the letter was like, I'm smarter than this. I'm
not going to give them that number. And he uses
just wide out. Yeah, so he went out of his
way to conceal that number. He knew it, you know
what it would do. But he didn't cut it teeny

(01:11:07):
tiny scissors and get rid of it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
He used white out. He used the thing that never
worked and shouldn't have been invented because I can't tell
you how many book reports the piece of binder paper
weighed three pounds because I fucked up so many words
and it's just big clumps of like weird white taste.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
With like torn yeah no no, which is like also
so pure at heart. This person was like, I really
want to talk about this murder. I don't think it's right.
I'm gonna you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
He's just like, clearly, let me get my school supplies
and see what I can do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Yeah, let's see. So obviously the forensic document experts were like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
This is this is I could do this in my sleep, bro,
But it's an episode of Forensic Files, so they need
to make it long, and so they look letter, they
look for trace evidence, latent evidence, and then they eventually
just turn the envelope over, cut it in half, hold
it up to the sun yeah, and use like what

(01:12:14):
essentially sounds like like a fucking black light and like
or a fucking what are those lava lamps?

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
It's that easy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
You dip it into the top of a lava lamp
and it comes out and they find this serial number
when they and it turns out the serial number of them,
it reveals the state, the city, the street name, and
the office address or the postal meter.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Like it couldn't be more hobbies horoscopes every single thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Right. It's a business located in La Mesa, California. The
owner of the company is a dude named Mark Davis,
and he's a bishop at the Mormon church. So the
cops walk in and he's like, fuck, I'm never trusting
white Out again.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
And he's like, look.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
The source of the information because he was the writer,
because someone had told him about it, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Yeah. So he was like, here's like, first of all,
I'm wearing secret underwear. Secondly, let me just get this
off my chest.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
I'm wearing a strange garment. Okay, anyway, and I hate
white Out. But but so he's like, here's the thing.
The person who told me about it is a member
of my church. So I have, you know, privilege, whatever
church privileges, the church privileges, so I don't have to
I don't have to tell you anything, nan no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
It's quoted.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
And the cops are like, oh yeah, we're gonna fucking
take you to court and we're gonna God's gonna be like,
those aren't your privileges anymore? And they do and God
is like or the judge is like, yeah, you can
tell us. And the reason the judge rules against him
and says that the privilege was already broken when Dave,

(01:14:00):
when this guy Davis wrote the letter to the police.
Oh that's true, but it's almost like, well, you broke
it already, it might as well fucking spill. It's like
kind of okay, you know, I'm on the judges's side. Okay,
well so's everyone else. I am too, Like I want
to tell it to these people. I don't want it
to be solved. So they're like, dude, just tell us everything.

(01:14:21):
And so Mark Davis, the Mormon Church bishop, is like, shit, okay.
The person who told me is about Dale Whitmer being
the fucking murderer is Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Christ of the Latter day Saints when he appeared to
the cowboys in Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
That's right, one of those ones. It's it's Dale's fucking daughter.
What his own daughter, Andrea? Who was Bob who told
the bishop about the other guy? Yes, guy, my dad's
the one who did it, right, So uh, so yeah,
she apparently he told her everything, and she fucking told

(01:15:03):
her bishop, thinking it was privileged. The bishop was like,
I can't keep this and told so. On October twenty ninth,
nineteen ninety six, Dale Whitmer's charged with Don Harden's murder.
He pleads not guilty, but the star witness against him
is his own fucking daughter, who finds.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
She's like, this is really hard.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I don't want to, like, I have to tell the
truth on the stand because you know, I'm swear to
God and shit, but I don't want to betray my dad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
But he's a murderer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
So uh so she fucking spills the bean's yeah, oh
I didn't have a photo of her.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Oh she's like the suck isn't her? In court?

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Yeah, she's like Jesus Sally awful secret undergarments. So m
so they prosecutors theorized that Whitmer disposed of the body
parts in numerous dumpster has already said that to this
fucking day, the only thing that's ever been found was
the hands.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Really, how crazy is that?

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
It just makes you wonder what's in landfills and shit.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Well, that's why we're going to go to one tonight everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
After a party. I was thinking, we should go and
open all the cages at SeaWorld and let all the
animals out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
You're free.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Why aren't you leaving.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
All those fish cages?

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
You're free? Come on, come on, come on, why are
you sitting there. They're like, we've only ever lived here.
We don't Please don't make us go out there. We
don't know how to catch fish unless someone throws up
from a bucket.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Please someone train us. They want to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Nope, nope, nope.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
It's like your aunt Diane's response.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
They love it there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Oh my god, we went and that orgo was smiling.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
No, no, you just have vacation guilt.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Okay, So jury, of course Finesdale Whitmar guilty of second
degree murder and is sentenced. He sentenced to fifteen years
to life in prison, with the eligibility of parole in
just ten sweet years. Yep uh he and so he
has petition for parole, but is denied every time. Thankfully
the parole board is like cites the fact that he

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hasn't taken part in any rehab program or he's and
he's not working better himself behind bars, and he let's see,
he doesn't show any remorse and he's considered a risk
to the public, so he hasn't been paroled.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Go ye, yes, something to clap for.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
After the trial, Don's oh wait, let me show you
this one that's him looking like Patrick Swayze again, doesn't
he uh huh with like yellow hair, everything's beige.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
He goes nee Tanza's face, sunglasses and hair. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
After the trial, Don Harden's hands are cremated and his
ashes are buried by the US Navy at sea off
the coast of California. His daughters feel closure after the
father has his proper burial at sea because it was
one of his final wishes that they were able to
carry out. Oh that is the murder of Don Harden

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aka hand delivered and delivered.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Hand. It's so especially awful. It's like we talk about
things where it's random crime. We talk about things where
it's like in the horrible in the family crime. But
this is a person who got murdered because he was
helping somebody, and that's fucking awful. Never help people. If

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you leave here with anything tonight, uh huh is keep
your all your money in your pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
And also leave here with those binoculars. I'm in your purse.
I dare you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
The messages steal the binoculars. Everybody don't know why we
wish we did. The fucking theater like charges us for.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
All that they're like they told them to steal the
binoculars comes out of the permission from the stage. Do
we have time for home?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
It's time? Oh, oh my god, sitting down for so long?
Oh tour manager, that's say everybody, what's yeah to our manager?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Husband? Extraordinary? You got us off that overpass.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
I'm in a legal contract with the lady in the lobby.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
You gotta get those binoculars pass.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Did she take him down okay? Stage or not? It's uh,
they don't fuck around with the binoculars, and that's kind
of I've got some cash. I'm going to be right
over there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
So hey, thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Vince say for Boudy, Vince April holding it down, making
it happen for.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Us, right, Hey, okay, I think it's important to stay
that this is first fucking hometown of twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yes, at the before let's run down. I won't do
the same rules I always do. Most people know them.
This is it we forgot to say are in the beginning.
There are definitely some people in this room who a
got brought by another person and have no idea what's
going on and still don't to this moment.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Welcome, Hi, how are you? Thank you for not leaving,
Thank you for getting us the benefit of the doubt,
Thanks for just having that weird smile on your face
and rolling your eyes. We can't see you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
It's perfect. One of our last shows last year, there
was we found this out afterwards when we met some
people in the meet and greet line. Remember this, There
were I can't remember what city we were in, maybe
it was Austin, And there were some older ladies who
came to the show because they thought it was murder

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Mystery theater.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
I forgot all about that. How have we not talked
about that on the podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I know we'll have to put that on our list.
So these girls that sat next to these ladies said
that in the beginning, they're like, what's this? They thought
it was going to be like an interactive play.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Meanwhile, we're like fuck shit and also fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Yeah, and they left. No, they didn't, Oh, all right,
that was it. There was a different show where people
got up and started up because they were seasoned ticket holders,
and they.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Thought it was fann Of in the opera part too.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Yes, yes, does that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I'm because of our because of the picture.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Poster where we're serious, because I'll only show half of
my face.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
It makes you look serious and mysterious.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
They thought it was the sequel to Phantom of the Opera. Yeah,
it's nothing better than those audience stories.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
When we get up there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Okay, So anyway, the point is what we're trying to
say is this is a part where uh, Georgia will
pick somebody out of the audience to come up and
tell everybody their hometown story. Please keep in mind that
this is a Mungus theater. The lights are going to
be up, and it's going to be very nerve racking,
So it'll be great.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
If you're not drunk or on meth, it's better.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Or you can be a little drunk, but you have
to be able to follow your own story, and it
has to be local or everyone will reject you socially.
And it's really good if it's a little bit uh
maybe weird or uplifting, or there's some kind of up
part that's nice. At the end, you know a little
pop is Georgia lights to say, and then just remember

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that if you get picked, everyone else hates you, so
hurry the fuck up all right now, if we could
have the house lights up just for a second, so
Georgia can pick the first hometown.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
I hate doing this so much. You shaking your yeah
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yea yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Yeah it's fast.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Sorry hotly shit. Hey, get your binoculars out while she's
on her way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm looking at her. Oh she's got
a middrift shirt on. She fucking parties. This is gonna
be amazing. You can bring those houses. Thank you, yeah,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Thank you. The light person is on play Hi, Hi
are you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Oh my god? Look at your outfit, Delaney. This is Delaney.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Everybody say hello to her.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Yes, I love your outfit.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Yeah, she wore her show clothes, so imagine that this
material but in tight pants is what I had, is
what I wore so much tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
You sweat a lot and doastic. That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
It doesn't breathe from Delaney.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
I am from San Diego. I live out in Alpine,
which is way east. It's kind of like the Petaluma
maybe of San Diego, kind of like everybody has like
farm animals and my neighbors have donkeys and it's crazy awesome.
But anyways, so my homecown murder.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
So I just iced Delaney on the ped Luma parallel.
It was just like, we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
I was waiting for you to be like, what's your hometown,
but you just stared.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
That was a serious power.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Move on my part.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
I don't know what I'm doing. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Mine is the murder of Danielle van Dam.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Oh yeah, it was pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
So she was murdered in about I think it was
two thousand and two, and she was just about the
same age as I was when it happened, which was
about six seven years old, And I was so terrified
that I slept my parents' floor of their bedroom for
about five years.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Wow, yeah years.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
Really, it was a couple of years. They called somebody
and they were like, what do we do?

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Like, I mean, it's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Yeah, it was that they at least put like a
cutdown or something.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
I slept in a suping bag for a couple for
a while. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Well, there's a very that's a very young age to
like realize something like that happened. Yeah, no, it was.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
Yeah, so she was she lived and was abducted in
Poway area, but she was found her body a month
later was found on Dahesa Road, which is near Alpine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
It's very like uh rural.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
Yeah, So what happened was it was early February two
thousand and two.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
She was, her husband was or.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
The husband was home the dad and tucked in Danielle
and her brothers, and the mom was out at a
local bar and they were kind of known who as
being more like drinking parents.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
I ever know this one, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Yeah, So the mom got home like around when the
bar closed with a couple of friends around two am,
and she noticed I think it was her garage like
side door was open and the alarm, their security alarm
was off, and so she kind of like blew it
off like it was nothing, hung out with her friends
for a little bit and then went to bed with

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her family, and then a little bit later the husband
woke up I think, to the alarm off again and
I believe it was a siding class door that was open,
so again kind of blew it off like it was nothing.
Went back to bed and about nine point thirty the
next morning, they woke all their kids up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
You know, Danielle was missing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
Nothing wasn't anywhere, so they called the cops immediately, and
I believe at the time it was the biggest search
effort in all of California history for search teams. And
so it was a whole month that she was missing
that they did not find anything. And it was David Westerndfield,
her next door neighbor I believe two doors down, had

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abducted her in the middle of then I taken her
in his RV and then went out to Silver Strand
State Beach where you can beach camp over in Cornado,
and then out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
After after that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
I don't know how long he was there, but it
was about a month total. He went out to Glamous
out in the desert after and there's even videos you
can find online of he got stuck and had to
get like pulled out by people. So when they found her,
it was at the end of February, so it was
just about a month and it was a really rural

(01:27:20):
area and they did not they could not confirm her
cause of death or whether she was sexually assaulted. And
they found the police found a ton of child pornography
all over his computers and everything, so you can assume.
But yeah, they weren't able to find anything. And at
the time they built a huge it was a pink staircase.

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I believe that was her memorial on Dahisa And I
remember my brothers were taking Right across the street was
a golf course and they were taking golf lessons. So
at the time I drove there every day dropping them
off with golf lessons, and I was super airbat all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Yeah, Dona get arrested and ship.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
Yeah, he's I believe, in san Quin. And I don't
know if he got the death penalty or not. I
can't remember, but I know he's at least there for life,
if not the death penalty.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Okay, say her name again, Danielle Delaney, No, no, no,
the girls. Oh, Danielle Van, Dawn, Danielle Van.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
And there's a memorial overpass in alcoholone for hers. You'll
probably see your name, you guys drive down there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
That's great, Delaney, Thank you so much. Great job. You
guys give it up for her job. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
thank you. Oh, such shit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
You find out when you're a little kid, that's just like, oh,
this is real life. I feel like most of us murderinos.
That's what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Also it's extra creepy, like being five or six when
Delaney was and then it's like, oh, a neighbor, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Like, so it's all you have.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
You live in that world where you're like, oh, the neighbor.
Everybody's friends and we all they'll all.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Everybody prepect each other.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
Who did it? Yeah, it's your name?

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Who doors down? That's fucking horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I work here. Well, wow, that's how we like to
wrap things up. Awful memories, awful local memories.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Yeah, that's all. Remember you know the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Gold Yeah, that's right. Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
For fucking being in our first show of the fucking years.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
It was that was that was an amazing kickoff. I mean,
I don't know, this is uh, this has been such
an incredible experience. We have such a we have such
a good time. Well not when you do that, but
we have such a good time. The fact that we
get to come out here, come to these shows. You

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guys bring so much energy and positivity and excitement, and
then we get to talk about this thing we're fascinated
by that's fucking horrible. It's very freeing. It's also very
it's kind of very life affirming in a weird way.
It's like saying these are the things, these are my
biggest fears, and everybody else going, yeah, those are mine too,
and we get to laugh about it. We get to

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do things the way we want to do them, and
we don't have to give a shit about who's judging
us because we're all together and that's an amazing feeling
for us, and we're glad that it's an amazing feeling
for you too, And.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
We just can't believe we keep getting to do this
the start, like we keep waiting for, you know, not
to sell out anymore, not tour because they're over it. Yeah,
you guys are here. It's the beginning of a fucking
big tour. Thank you so much again for supporting us.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Yeah, you're insane, you're here. We're here. It's very fun
and we thank you so so much, so much. She
us a favor, Stay sexy and thanks Sandie Goo