263 - Let Me Challenge You

On this week’s quilt episode, Karen and Georgia cover the Brown’s Chicken Massacre and Peggy Jo Tallas.

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to My Favorite Murder.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's Georgia Hartstark.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
That's Karen Calgariff.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi guy, we are again from you, and here we
go rerecording the podcast for you. Okay, you know what
we should shout out?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
May I suggest please?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's basically almost very soon, coming up on the one
year anniversary of fucking coronavirus and.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Of the world and the beginning of the lockdown we made.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I mean, we're making it look because should we just
be a little honest. The last time we went to record,
it was a bumpy ride for both of us.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
We had twenty minutes in and I said, should we
just put up a lot? It was like it was
dark thing after dark thing. That was just like no
one wants to hear dark thing after dark thing.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
It was. It was like it was exactly the opposite
of what you would go, oh, I'm going to listen
to podcast. Whatever your seventeen reasons might be, none of
them were on this list of this stuff we started
talking about. And it was that kind of thing where
it was almost like an amazing example of anti conversation
where we both had like our own agendas and it

(01:44):
was just like, well, I want to and then we
should do this.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
We shouldn't do what you're saying is not what we
should be doing right now?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Okay, can I say something? And then it turned and
then Georgia goes, uh, I'm not into this. Can we
do a live show?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
And I was like, yes, that's lose such a relief
because there was part of me that just wanted to
close my computer and walk away because I was like,
this is so depressing right now, I'm awful, and then
I and then we just kept both doubling down and
being like, well did you watch this? And like well
did you fucking did you drawn your sorrows?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
And this?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Did you learn this lesson from this documentary? It was
just like, could could we somehow reapproach why we love
to do this? And it's not about listing shows we
watch on streaming services?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
And I think that's what like everyone is like, We're
all just like we have nothing left to give you
but suggestions for what is is distracting us from the
past year so much funnything else.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
It's it's much more fun to talk about real things
that we can both get into instead of like, well
did you watch it or didn't you that's what the
That's what all podcasts would be called it. We challenge you,
did you were not watch it?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And the answer I was going to be no.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Because we watched completely different fucking styles of everything.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yes, however, however did you watch.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
This?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Is the only one I have to ask the Woody
Allen is a clear and present child bolester documentary.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I did not, Allegedly I did not.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Okay, we'll talk about it next.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Sorry, No, it's good. It did not exactly what we're
not doing. Moving on, I.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Mean no, and I not to shut you down and
not to be conversationally negative.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Oh here, who.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Wants to be in the comer?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
George?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
That's the first time she's ever like actually put her
her muzzle into the conversation.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
You know why I made a deadly mistake. I usually
feed them before I start up. Excuse me, my uh,
I'm wearing his watch and it says six ten right now,
I will be with you.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Sure, I'm wearing a shark a shark watch. And I
hear you speaking, and I.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
See that you've pulled your uh, your pocket watch out
of your best pocket. Mom.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I've been learning about boundaries and I just want you
to know. I've been really been triggered lately. I feel
like everyone's going through a point in therapy because it's
so quiet in our lives. You know, there's like outside
noise and desperation, but like our inner lives are quiet,
and so that my there. Okay, So all right, So I,
Vince and I are in an Inventora, California, on a

(04:36):
just I'm calling it an AIRBM breather.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
That's not good, that's not great. I'm working on it.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
But it's basically it's basically the idea of let's go
stare at different walls because we're so fucking sick of
the walls we've been staring at. Yeah, and my therapist
was like, you're not allowed to read or listen to
any self help books or podcast asked on your trip
because you've just got to stop it and you just
need to read something fun and you're trying to absorb

(05:06):
way too much like self help learning shit, and.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Sometimes it just needs to ruminate.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
What was my point?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
That's a good well, no, that's that's the point in
and of itself. That's a really good point. It's like,
but you know what it is, you're you basically went
to the coast to like basically have a different experience.
So you actually have to be in that experience, not
trying to fix past experiences while you're having a presence, Right.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
It's not constantly being like, yeah, I canceled my second
appointment of the week in therapy, and I'm just like,
here we are.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
I love that. You were like, what the fuck is
she doing in Ventura? Like it doesn't make any It's
actually a lovely little beach beachside town.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I wasn't like trying to be judgmental about Ventura. It's
just like it's just basically like that. It's it's not
a destination where you When you said that, I was like,
she must have a cousin that lives there something like that.
That's the vibe it heads.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's the quieter, less pretentious, no offense Santa Barbara. Yes,
so that's what I forgot. That it's right there on
the power away. I mean, we really like it here.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
It's like the one safe thing you can do is
either go camping or go to the beach, right, like,
go to the coast, the empty ocean, so nice one,
I mean that's really nice. Yeah, go suck up some
of those the negative ions, get that good clean air.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, the walls are so different over here. There's fucking
there's like a seafish seaside motif going on with this
Airbnb person knows who they're fucking selling to.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, they're like you, we know you're here for this
big mouth bass or whatever.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, there's a calm front in the middle.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh, and we left the puppy at home with our
incredible trainer. So we're leaving the puppy at home to
be better by the time we get that, like nothing
feels better, good luck?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
So the puppy is supposed to get be less of
a puppy in two days? Well may i?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, Sarah?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
You speaking of decor, can I have Can I do
one suggestion or what I've found that's made me really happy?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
This can be decore corner because I can actually tell
you what great Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, uh, you know I've told you about like what
was it called cottage Core? Thank you Cottage Core? And
I've told you about Do you know why.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I could do that?

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Because there's only so many topics we've talked about. There
was eight months ago I talked it was said to me,
I remember every word.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Okay, well, there's cottage core.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I've talked to you about bee keeping and the new
hashtag obsession I have that I didn't know I was
until I saw it is called hashtag clutter core, and
it's just pro clutter, clutter core or hashtag maximalism.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
And it's just like me, You've been.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
In my fucking house that are just chowsky addicts and uh,
these people it's me. It's just and I feel so
guilty got of her song. It's just shit everywhere, Like
you fill your house with clutter, but it's only a
meaningful clutter. It's vintage clutter, which you and I both love,
and I suddenly am like, oh, I don't feel guilty

(08:21):
about it anymore.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
It's an aesthetic. It's like every single piece that.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
You see in my house you can point to and
I'll tell you a story about it.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's just like it feels good, so look up cluttercore or.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
It's basically somebody has risen up against Marae condo. They're
just like, we will not suffer under the lash of
this minimalism anymore.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, and I touch every single thing and they're all
haunted and they give me joy and fuck you about it?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, fuck you about it for sure.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
She seems really nice, so like not fuck you, but
just like back off.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Not fuck her. Back off.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, you just get to like what you like the end,
and I think Marie would. I think that's what Marie's
actually deeply all of I just kind of like figure
out what you like and then do that. Steve all
I can think of this when so we tried to
record yesterday and my WiFi went out like old school style,

(09:13):
and it was it felt like I was lying. I
kept texting Amazing Georgia texting me.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
You were like, I'm not shots of like it's not
worth like it's saying like we don't like you right now.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
And screenshots of it and.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Then you're like, I'm not lying.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I'm not lying, Georgia. I am not.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
But it felt like the classic life like sorry my
wife buys out anyway by totally as I texted Stephen
of like, holy shit, I can't get this, I can't
do that whatever. Steven texted Beckam Marie condo gift and
it's her going I love mess And it made me
left so hard again. Stephen is the King of King

(09:51):
of the guests. So I love mess.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
I was going to say literally stacks of even his
hashtag clutter core to the clutter core.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Now, if you are less interested in cluttercore, or you're
still looking, you're neither minimalist nor maximalist, and you're not sure.
My friend Dave Mesmer, who I'm sure I've told many
many stories about. Uh, he was my roommate in college
and in la He's the one that lips in grooves
in the heart that time we were really sound and

(10:27):
he wouldn't stop.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Actually, he's one of the funniest.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
People of all time.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
And he told me about this Danish concept called he
is the way he pronounced it, but I don't I
don't think that's accurate, Okay, but it's essentially the Danish
way of living, which is about being cozy.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm thinking of media this really thick cable nets, like
obscenely large knit cablenit blankets.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yes, that's one of the things they were, like, wrap
a blanket around you, you get it, cut you out, drink
super drink a big cup of tea, super thick socks.
That's what it's all about. There's a book I haven't
read it. But is the first thing that came up,
and that's what every when I looked it up when
he and I were talking about It's called The Little
Book of Danish Secrets to Happy Living H y G

(11:20):
g E okay h And the author is Mike m
E I K Viking w I K I n G.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Hopefully you're saying his last name was Mike, Mike, Mike,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Get Mike, and it might be a woman. We don't know, okay,
but that's I love that idea because remember when we
were in we were somewhere, I think we were in
Amsterdam and we stayed in the in that hotel where
I was like, I want this as an apartment.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
It was just like everything was just perfectly definitely tilely
color everything. It was almost Mediterranean. How like, yeah, how
perfect it was. Yeah, the tiles, the colors, the everything
about it was so perfect. And I feel like, oh,
I'm it's that vibe.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
It's that vibe.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I'm going to do the hashtag for sure.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
I get there is I do.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
When we bought our house, it had a wood burning fireplace,
which I know is like whenever you look at houses online,
it's like wood burning fire like original wood burning fireplace,
but we immediately turned into new gas fireplace because I
was just like, I just want to turn it on
when I want to turn it on, Like to me,
that's the height of luxury, the height of luxury. So
I know that, Like it kind of probably dinged our

(12:36):
house a little bit, like on the market, but who
gives a shit? It was it was fucking word like
now we just light fires all the time.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Well yeah, and also in LA just don't light fires
because you'll burn everything down.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Right, it's also really bad environment. So let me alone,
you u hash you hashtag fireplace purists.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Let me say this. Okay, let's talk about another positive
something that's happening on social media that's very positive. Our
friend Kyle Russell, who has been doing the lip syncs
of us, and he just keeps churning them out, and
each one funnier than the last. There was one I
just watched it's and I said this before, Kyle, thank
you for making me like and appreciate my own thing,

(13:17):
because that's the part of this that is difficult. And
sometimes I just go like, I don't want to hear
my own voice anymore. I don't want to think about
it anymore. It's the difficult thing. And it's like, I
watch that and it makes me love us. I'm like,
and there was one where you're talk he's doing you
talking over here, and as I'm answering you, he's putting
on lip gloss. It's black.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Was like so good.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
And then he just did the one where we're talking
about baby Donna and he does it with a person
named Courtney who's at court underscore Agnew. It's so funny.
It's like, Yeah, it's that TikTok thing that it makes
me feel like I'm eighty years old to watch.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
I'm like children do at Me, which is where the
rat concept very cute.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
What's his name, Dave Hill? Do you know Dave Hill?

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Are you goods with him?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Huh?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
So that reminds me of the duet me thing, which
is like a thing on TikTok where like one person
will either like do an acting thing and you can
act against them on your own and record it or.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Like play music.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
So Dave Hill, who's a fucking hilarious comedian who also
happens to be a like shred on guitar in a
way that like doesn't make sense and isn't fair. He's amazing.
He did a duet me with Ed Sharon. It's on
his Instagram and TikTok where Ed Sharon's like duet me
and starts strumming his little guitar and then Dave Hill

(14:46):
comes in and fucking.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Turns it into a metal song.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
That's the most like just like like like nail work,
hand fingerwork I've never seen in my life. It was
so badass.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
He's the best. He's in genu leah, hilarious, hilarious.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
To me this way, he's so funny.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
If you want to watch another you know our obsession
with what's the speed washing called powerwash powerwa washing? So
I follow this woman now on Instagram who found her calling.
It's really interesting. Her name is Lady Tafos t A
p h o s. She found her calling in.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Not it's not powerwashing because she uses all natural ingredients
and and and like really gives care and love into
cleaning old vintage.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Headstones.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Oh yes, like her and she does you know, like
she'll do slaves who died hundreds of years ago and
like tell their story and just like really care take
these old you know moss covered dirt covered stones that
you can barely read and then cleans them. And I
didn't realize that it was like a thing that called

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to her that she had to do after her divorce.
And so there's this podcast called Divorce Club podcast where
they just talk to people who who went through divorces
and what you know, how they came out on the
other side. That's really awesome as well, So I recommend
that as well. Okay, a really beautiful thing of like.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, I was watching I saw one of those because
it got I somehow saw it on Twitter, and it
is incredibly satisfying because it's like a cleaning video, like
a powerwatching video, but then the thing underneath is like
a historical a beautiful mini monument to a person that
may not have been even seen because there was all
that stuff covering it. And you you know, yeah, I

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love that project.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
It's like a nice, little really cool.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, it's really nice totally.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
You know, what I was going to mention is, since
we're just gonna do, I mean, what else can we do?
We can't, this is all we can do.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
And you really, what is life but suggestion but a
series of suggestions to yourself and to your friends. What
do you do if you hang out with friends, you
suggest that things to them?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
That's right? This If you liked the book Attached, which
I recommended about a month ago, which I loved and
it felt like I blazed through it so quickly. Another
there's another book that actually goes a little bit deeper
and breaks it down a little bit more because the
and it's it's kind of full circle because I know

(17:28):
I'm going to say her last name wrong again. Carl
low and theel Or Thile, who hosts Unfuck Your Brain,
which is the other podcast I recommended. I listened to
an episode she did where she talked about she kind
of believes an attachment theory but believes there's more to it,
and then recommended this book. Okay, and this is a
book called Insecure in Love by Leslie Becker Phelps.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
I own that because a friend went to couple's therapy
and the and she immediately her therapist.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Was like, yeah, I'll need to read this. Yes, in
Secure and Love.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yes, it's fascinating. And it is the detail work, you
know what it is. Everybody wants some kind of a
like how the fuck do you do this? Like how
do you maintain a relationship with a person, how do
you actually past past the initial what everyone likes part
where you're like, you're attractive, you talk the way like

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this is fun, the same.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Milestones, and then it's like, realz, I totally get that.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Then when you get past, when you get past that,
it's like then when the problems come up, it's like
the fuck it or whatever your approaches these, it's like
actually helpful information about why people do the things they do.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
So if you make or you liked.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
The other book Insecure in Love by Leslie Becker felt.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think a good thing to remember too is that, like,
nobody has that easy. You look around at other couples
and you're like, how are they They're such a perfect couple,
they're so good at it, and that's like just an
impossible It's impossible. Every couple has things. Some couples are
really lucky that they found someone who's attachment style exactly
mirrors them. But it's never easy.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
So everyone asks, Right, if you're thinking that about anybody,
it's because it's you're on Instagram, and you're also probably
lightly high because everyone is different levels of miserable. List
admit it. Sorry, I hope.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Was I just going to say based on that, was
it a book? Probably? Listen, let's see library.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Look listen.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I'm listening to a podcast called Through the Cracks, which
I highly recommend, which is a true crime podcast that's
a really important story.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Through the Cracks.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, Through the Cracks. It's really powerful and really well done.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
What network is it on?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
It's on wa mu cool?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
What else did they do?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
I need a new one.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, this one's important and powerful and it's great.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Oh. It was Nina Simone's birthday last week. Was a
great singer and an activist and amazing like a prodigy
piano player, and a bunch of people were posting different
tweets about her and it reminded me of the great
so Liz Garbus, who directed I'll Be Gone in the Dark,

(20:24):
she directed a documentary about Nina Simone, like I think
five or more years ago, and it's called what Happened
Miss Simone? And if you like Nina Simone or you're
interested in both amazing music and kind of like civil
rights action, she is just this incredible badass that I

(20:46):
feel like I wish she was known more so if
you haven't seen that documentary by Liz Garbus.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
You absolutely should say the name of it. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
What happened miss Simone? Okay, it's about her whole life.
It's just really mind blowing, amazing. Yeah, what do you
think should we do?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Exactly right news?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
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Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's right. And the Murder Squad was included in the
Newsweek Top twenty five True Crime podcast of twenty twenty one,
which is really exciting, along with ten Field, More Wicked
and My Favorite Murder and Monday's episode they have Melissa
McCarty and Kelly McLear from the Killer Jeans podcast, then
I'm Lady to Lady.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
They have Annlie Ashford from Masters of Sex and Kinky
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Speaker 2 (22:27):
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it going because you need a flask. I think everyone
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let's be that way about it. Fucking fly is going
to kill me.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Let's be that way about it.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Let's be that way about it from now on.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Okay, all right, speaking of sanity, we're putting up a
quilt episode today. I love doing this because, like I
look at the list of like live show episodes and
stories we've done, and it's such a pity that these
don't get to be told because they're in a random
live episode.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
So now they do, and we did.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah, there's no pity. We're taken back to night.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
And I did so.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Much fucking work on that, plus the work not only
the work we did of the the work and the performance,
but then the work the audience did of showing up
being so good to us the entire.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Time, time after time after time.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Can I shadow upper Slower?

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, Sloan at pet Co, I want to give her
a shout out for recognizing Cookie even though I was
covered up in my uh face ask and shabby sheet
clothes that are just shabby. And I turn a corner
and she goes Cookie And it was the first time
I had like run into a murderino in like over
a year at that point, And so I was so

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happy to see her. She was so sweet, so think Sloan.
It reminded me of live shows, and I was like,
I want to hug you, but I can't come near you.
All right. So this is from the VIC Theater in Chicago,
Beautiful Chicago. So this is the Browns Chicken massacre, which
was a mass murder that occurred in January eighth, nineteen

(24:32):
ninety three in Palatine, Illinois. And I just it's just
a horrible one of those stories that are like, you know,
who had the fucking gall to do this? And the
way that the killers are caught is just a miraculous thing.
So this story, I'm so glad I get to post
it and tell it because I just it's it's an incredible, awful,

(24:56):
heroic story. Listen, Yeah, we're gonna do the Brown's Chicken massacre.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
So we've gotten a lot of tweets and emails about
why won't you fucking do this?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, well they're about to find out because it's horror.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Okay, that's what we're here for.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
On January eighth, nineteen ninety three, seven people were closing
Brown's Chicken and Pasta in Palatine, a northwest suburb of Chicago.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Illinois, Palatine, Arountine, Palatine. Did someone say that it's platoin Sorry?

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Who by the way, like they're nineteen eighty six?

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Commercial?

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Is Steve Carell? What like like hosting it?

Speaker 1 (25:46):
As like the owner of this brown chickens corel.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Was he so good and funny? He was so cute.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
He looks exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
But yeah, that guy's that guy's kind of scary. Actually
he's a vampire's vanely talented. He doesn't age. Yeah here
first never never, not funny.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, uh vampire.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
We hate him.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Spreading rumors at this okay, so Chicago.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
The story.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
The store owners were Richard and Lynn ellen Feldt, who
had spent their life sayings to buy this franchise. The
two daughter Their two daughters were scheduled to be at
the restaurant that night working, but instead guadal Lupe Maldonado,
Michael C.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Castro and Rico L. Solis.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
The latter two are Palatine High school students who were
working there part time. One was a high school senior
who just moved from the Philippines to escape the violence,
and his Filipino American friend, a high school junior who
wanted to be a marine, as well as Thomas Menez
and Marcus Nielsen Nelson who were working the closing shift.

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So inside, the friars have been shut off, the floors
are mopped, everything's being closed down for the night, and
the employees are finishing up, and uh, as they're closing,
a four tempo pulls up carrying two men, and the
ellen Feltz had a policy that they allowed last minute
customers to order.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
They were nice fucking people.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, that's oh, I know, that's the nicest people when
you go up and you're like, oh, please, please please,
I just can you do you want me to do it?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Fucking water?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's just a trick water I put out? Are you?

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I should have known?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Wasn't it trick Waterkary? It's like, I want to get
trick water.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
She's such a practical joker.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
M mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
So the one of them orders, uh, a fucking four
piece chicken meal and they go to sit down and
eat it.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
What fucking four piece of chicken?

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Who does that?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Like?

Speaker 2 (27:55):
First of all, what's that? Too many pieces? What's the problem?
It just either close in the store.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
I don't go into like a clothing store a half
hour before they close, because you know, every every single
hangar has been like, you know, meticulously, and then you're
just like.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
I want to share for tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
And you're a fucking asshole, I know.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
But once you're in that door and they actually let
you in, then you're just like, okay, I'm gonna get
cole slaw.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeahs no, that's such a dick move. So okay. So
they they sit down to eat their fucking food, it's.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Like, at least, yeah, that's that is super lamb.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Yeah, but they're not there for chicken.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's the final day's sale.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
It's rung up at nine oh eight pm and as
eight minutes past closing, and as they eat in a booth,
everyone continues their last minute closing rituals. By eleven pm
that night, the families of the workers are starting to
worry that their sons haven't come home. And after dragging
by Brown's, which is dark inside, although Castro's car is

(28:53):
still in the parking lot, it's about eleven forty five
and police say, but he calls the police at eleven
forty five, but police say the log in the log,
it says it's called at one o two am, so
there's a discrepancy there after many attempts by the families
of all these boys to get the police to take
their worries seriously, because they're like, they went and had

(29:15):
sandwiches and booze, and they're like, they don't drink or
eat sandwiches.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
I guess I'm.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Doing that party, including going to the police station to
file a missing persons of report. Castro's father returns to
Brown's a third time along with Guadalupe Maldonado's brother, who
was also worried after Guadalupe hadn't come home to tuck
his sons in as was his ritual, and they also

(29:43):
had a police officer with them. It's just after three am,
and they finally tried the green employee entrance door, which
is open unexpectedly, and inside they spot a jacket hanging
just inside, and that's when Guadaloupe's brother spot it's an
arm poking out of the walking freezer door.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
It's propped open.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
There's blood on the tile floor, and the officer sees
it gets the men out of there, as saying this
is a crime scene. When all is said and done,
seven people were dead. The assailant store stole less than
two thousand dollars from the restaurant. The case remained unsolved
for nearly nine years. Oh, let's get the photo of the.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Restaurant.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
We have like two photos, so that's it. And then
there's another one there we go. Yeah, that's it. Okay,
fuck man, So the case? Oh and then sorry, what
year was it? Nineteen ninety three?

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Recently?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, the case remained.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Recently.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Is that where you're loving?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
That wasn't a slam?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Sorry? Yes, like what a shitty truck? Is that what
you thought I was saying.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I wasn't. I think I said it was recently. And
because we're both like, that was ten years ago?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I got it, you know what I mean. It's not
like nineteen Sorry.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
What year is it? The fuck? I'm stone cold sober.
I swear to God, I swear to you.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I will voucher you. It's true. I'm the fucked up one.
We're real, Paote, she's back on me. Do people still
do Paoti?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I'm on, Paote, that'd be amazing to do payote before
a show. I don't know. I'm just gonna see what
it opens up.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, look at coyote, like you could have just had
a glass of champagne. No, I won't drink on stage.
I wanted to do a paote.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
It's natural.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Everyone's like the four boyfriends are like, they're in the
middle of a really fucking depressing story.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yeah, what the fuck is with them?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
It's inappropriate, is what it is? Dan, Kevin and Kevin
and Dave. We apologize. You're right, You're right. It's your
feelings get so hurt all the time listening.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Your girlfriend is not at fault. She usually listens on
her way to work.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
What what about the other night we were at a
meet and greet. A girl leaned over to George and goes.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I'm on a tinger date right now, And I was like,
this is the last one of yay good bye to him.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
That's cute.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I like when you get excited to tell me something
you do nails.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, I have to do nails. I'm sorry, No, I'd
like it.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
It's intense.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I'm used to not being listened to as a youngest child.
So like in my family, if you were like mom,
dad or whatever they could, it was as if nothing
was happening. You have to be like, I will drop
blood from you. Another thing I wouldn't have noticed about
myself until right now, but a great experience and journey
that we're on together. Back into the mass murder.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Okay, remained unsolved for nearly nine years until two thousand
and two, when Anne Lockett came forward and implicated her
former boyfriend James de Gorski and his friend Juan Luna.
It's lead four thousand, eight hundred and forty two in
the murder investigation?

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Is that crazy?

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Jesus Christ?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:22):
And how long after? How many years after nine?

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Okay, that's such.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
A long time to wait? It is?

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Lockett says.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
She told she was told about the massacre over a
pot smoking session.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Guys, that would freak me out so bad?

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Oh my god, can you imagine?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I'm like, I'm trying to play Mario Kart? What are
you doing?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (33:48):
What are you fucking?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
I mean, I think a lot of us are like, yeah, no,
murdershit during pot that does? Those two things don't go together.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
I can't even watch a Planet Earth without freedom out.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
There's a lot of true crime and Planet Earth though,
I swear to God, there's.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
A lot of those. She said that they said that
they wanted to do something big. Juan Luna was a
former employee of the restaurant, so he would have known
that they serve people.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Pat you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
And he had left on good terms for a new
job a couple months earlier, so he was questioned but
wasn't suspected.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
But according to.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Ann Lockett, he knew there would be money in the store,
and he was eighteen at the time of the murders.
He was now nine years later, married with a young son.
The details of the murder came out, and here are
the details. Lynn and elden Felt, who was forty nine,
the owner. She was the first victim when her throat

(34:52):
was lashed, and they're all so two of them are
in a freezer like walking freezer at time, getting everything
together to close, and then the murderers put that four
of them in another walk in freezer and throw Lynn
after her fucking throat was slashed into that freezer. Can
you fucking imagine being like we're getting robbed, and then

(35:14):
you're like, oh no, this is bigger than that.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, and you have a panic attack.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (35:22):
So then Marcus Castro, who's the youngest victim at sixteen,
was shot six times, and then and Guadalupe Maldonado's forty six,
and Rico Solis who's seventeen, had bullet wounds in the
back of their heads. And Thomas Menas who's thirty two,
is shot twice in the upper back and once in

(35:43):
the temple. And then Richard ellen Felt fifty was shot
five times. E So, in April two thousand and two,
the Palatine Police Officer Department matched the DNA sample.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, so she says it's Juan Luna. The DNA samples
from Are you ready for what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I demanded There'd be a towel on the table.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
To that all times, so I can shake it a
punctuation towel.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
This is awful.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
They find the DNA from the eaten chicken that was
thrown in the garbage can.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Oh shit, night of the murder.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yes, he's stupid fucks, especially because and I was like,
did they test all the chicken bones? They have already
taken the trash out because they were closing.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Oh my god, and so they threw their chicken in there.
They took the DNA.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm sorry, but those cops were like, thank fucking god.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, they're like, it's ninety three. I don't know what
this is for. I'm gonna take it anyways.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Chicken bone, chicken bone, No, not that one.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Some skin yeah, oh heat?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
What a monster?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Then?

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, isn't that fucked up?

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yes, the chicken was okay, and the chicken was supposedly
kept in the freezer for most of the time since
the crime. The Palatine Police Start Department took the two
suspects into custody on May sixteenth, two thousand and two,
and Luna confesses to the crime during an interrogation, although
a lawyer would later claim that he was coerced to

(37:19):
do so through corporal punishment and threats of deportation. Then
they both go to trial, so Luna's put on trial
in two thousand and seven. He's found guilty of seven
counts of murder, and he sentenced to life in prison
without parole in May.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
On May seventeenth, two.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Thousand and seven. The state had sought no, it gets shitty.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
That's just when you.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Thought, yeah, this isn't the end. There's humor, okay, but.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
A lot of that is her poetry. Now that she
has you're here.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, just chart lyrics.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Listen to the words.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
It's actually a really beautiful.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Okay, the state it's not the death penalty, which was
available at the time, but the jury voted eleven to
one in favor.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
They fell short eleven to one, so.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
One person was like, no, can't do it then, So
James de Gorski, the other guy, was found guilty September
two thousand and nine on all seven council of murder.
But it's largely based on the testimony of an Lockett
because there's no physical evidence, as well as a friend
of hers, and they.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Both said that he had confessed to them.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
And then October twenty, two thousand and nine, he sentenced
to life in prison without pearl. Again, a couple of
the jurors voted note of the death penalty. Okay, So
now it gets fucking fucked up. So it turns out
that there's a petition in the circuit court that Locket
a Lockett, misled ers into believing that she had a

(38:55):
much closer relationship with de Gorski at the.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Time of the crime than she actually did. They say
that she was sorry.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Is there a live sheep in here? Because that's not
cool at all.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Now I don't know if was.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
That Oprah goat that was the weirdest fucking sound, creepy, haunted.
I'm telling you this, Well, let's not make noises like that, guys.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
So I don't know how much of this I believe,
and it's really complicated. But supposedly people say she wasn't
dating him at the time, people meeting their lawyers, I'm sure,
and that she was actually involved with a man she
had met while both were hospitalized for psychiatric issues.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
And so basically all the dirts coming up.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So then let's see he says that
man in a Soren statement, says that she had never
mentioned to Gorski or his involvement in the murders, and instead,
he says that she had called him a few months
after their own break up, asking if he knew anything
about the murders. He said, she told me that whoever
came forward with information would be entitled to a reward

(40:07):
money and that if I heard who might have done
the murders, I should contact her. And then yeah, And
it turns out that soon after that conversation, he was inexplicably,
inexplicably questioned three separate times about his involvement.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
The woman.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
So the Cook County jury was also never told that
Lockett would split nearly one hundred thousand dollars reward money
with her friend that had also uh oh, yeah, so
that's a.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Lot of pot. You'd buy a fucking like six bags
of pop with.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
A yeah, okay, and then really quickly, I want to
add this little part of a hometown murder that we
got from Sam from Chicago said, oh my god, there's
more than one. Probably they would not get their answer. Okay,
my friend's neighbor called in a tip incriminating her then boyfriend,

(41:04):
Juan Luna, who worked at the churches back.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
In high school.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
The police arrested him and his accomplice, but they say
at the time they were at the Crosstown basketball game.
So when they got questioned back in high school, they
said that they were a basketball game. And then her
friend this Sam's friends said that he was trying to
get interviewed by the cops to let them know that
he wasn't with both Luna and the other guy.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
He was just with Luna.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
So she's saying that he has an alibi, and then okay, almost.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Up March twenty fourteen. Okay, here's fucked up.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
In March twenty fourteen, a jury awarded James de Gorski
four hundred thousand and fifty one dollars in compensation and
punitive damages for having been beaten by a sheriff's department
in Cook County jail in May twenty two thousand and two.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
We can do this.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
This didn't happen in the future, I am not.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
It was a future sheriff beating.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, a lot of metal.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
So he got that much money.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
When he was questioned by police, he got beaten and
gave his confession. Then he suffered facial fractures that required surgery,
and the deputy was eventually dismissed. That's a little bit extreme,
and I guess the Palatine Police Department had obtained confessions
to the Slangs from at least five others who were
never charged, so it's possible they had a like a

(42:30):
you know pattern pattern. Anywhows the lead the building? Wow,
something's happening. How long does it take for payote to
kick in?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I mean, girl, I think you're right on time? Cool?

Speaker 1 (42:48):
The building was raised the church's chicken am I high?

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I swear.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Did we start the guest tour.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I mean, there are podcasters who tour night after night
and they handle their shit just fine.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
I don't even I've never even Okay, Chicken, I don't.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
It was that sheep. It fucked you up and your
animals familiar coming to tell you to go to Church's Chicken.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
The building was torn down in April two thousand and two,
after having briefly been a dry cleaning establishment and then
a deli and then standing vacant for many years. So
another place you don't want to walk by on your
way to the grocery store, like hh Helm's murder Castle.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Can you imagine working at that dry cleaner.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Or the Chase branch that was that is now there.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
That evil fucking place in the location. You can't figure
out why you have such bad vibes. You're like, was
it the murderers? That just you fucking guys?

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, big banks.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
We should pick up the ground in there too, just
while we're at it.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, right, So that was the Browns Chicken massacre. Ill.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yes, I agree to do this again with you sometime.
Nice and thank you, Chicago. We miss you. We haven't
been there in so long. Our Chicago murdering nerds have
been there since early days. Please know that we wish
we could come back soon. We are hoping to come

(44:38):
back very soon, very soon. What do you got for us,
Karen Kilgariff, Well, mine is from May fifth of twenty nineteen.
It was this last time we were on the road.
Remember our Dallas Irving, Texas show in that huge play,
that huge theater. We had. We had the best series

(44:58):
of shows.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I had Cowboy and I accidentally flashed the audience my underpants.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, I said, Georgia, are you wearing a circle? Is
your dress have a circle skirt? She went it, sure
does and spun in s.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
I did the best like childhood twirl.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, but we were about eight feet above the front
row and you just heard.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
This whoog and I go, did I just flex? Do
you think we can edit that in? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:25):
I can find it. Yeah, okay the top of the show.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah, please put that in so hilarious, so that'll you'll
you'll get that experience first, I guess spoiler alert. Yeah,
but do you remember on our first tour ever, I
had to borrow tights from you then and I still
have them in my drawer. Hot pink tights Oh my god,
I'm twenty sixteen. That's right, we go back three fucking years.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Thank you, thank you so much, Blacked, We've grown, we loved.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I've taken two full pairs of George's tights.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
And that's how you know something, well, you know something.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Oh this is.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
Yeah, bout your partner and I just showed him, did
you really? And it was on the big screen.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Oh no, I was wearing tights the last two nights.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I did that and no one saw my ass.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Can we roll that tape back on the big screen? Please?

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Well, never again.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
So this was an exciting show for us, not only
for being there, for being on the road, but also
because our great hero journalist Skip Hollandsworth was in the
audience that night, and or he was in the audience
the night before, right, and then I did his story,
or it was the night before, and then he was
in the next night, whatever he was around. We got

(46:57):
to meet him on that weekend. Yes, yes, but it
was a real because oftentimes when we we do shows
in Texas, for all the years that we've done live
shows in Texas, we pull stories from the amazing magazine
Texas Monthly. Their journalists write these incredible, you know, like immersive,

(47:17):
deep dive stories about these different crimes that happened in Texas,
and they've got some amazing ones, that's right. So this
one is definitely one of my favorites. It's by the
legendary journalist Skip Holland's Worth. It's this the story of
the legendary bank robber cowboy Bob. So last night, if
you were lucky enough to be here, we no, I

(47:39):
just mean it, like we were so excited because the
true crime or I guess just general journalists. Skip Holland's
Worth was a secret special guest and he came out
and chatted with everybody. And my story tonight is entirely
taken from an amazing article that he wrote for the
legendary magazine Texas Monthly. So good, such a good fucking magazine.

(48:04):
Did you ever do the thing where you read one
article on their website and then at the bottom they're
like you might also like this, and then you're like
goodbye the rest of the day. It's my favorite. It's
so good. So this I got. It's a two thousand
and five article by Skip Hollinsworth that was in the
Texas Monthly about the legend of bank robber cowboy Bob.

(48:28):
I love this so much.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I'm excited for this. Okay. Can we also say what
a lovely human being Skip was. He came backstage afterwards
with his kid and like her friends, and he was
just so nice.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
He's the best. Yeah, he has a really cool family.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
And he doesn't hate us. Okay, I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Okay. So one morning in May of nineteen ninety one,
a bearded man with a cowboy hat enters the American
Federal Bank just off West Airport Freeway in Irving, Texas.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
What seriously?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, I had a whole other one prepared, and then
I started reading the startuple and I was like, whoops,
I have to switch mine now. When when it's his
turn in line, he approaches the counter, He's greeted by
the female teller, and without saying a word, he hands
or a note, and that note says, this is a
bank robbery. Give me your money, no marked bills or

(49:19):
die packs. So then the teller hands him the cash,
He calmly puts it into his bag, and then, without
looking around or belying anything out of the ordinary is happening,
he turns and very casually walks out of the bank.
No one notices, no one but the teller knows that
it's happening because he has none of the normal indicators
of bank robbers, which is obviously you'd kind of check

(49:42):
over your shoulder maybe, or at least look out of
the corner your eye him up. There's none of that
stick him up now, so it's total silence. The entire
thing happens in silence, and then when he goes out
to the parking lot, he so he leaves. The police
arrive almost immediately, and when they review the security camera footage,

(50:02):
they see a thin man with a full beard, cowboy hat,
wearing sunglasses and gloves, and he keeps his head down,
tip down perfectly enough so the entire time, so his
face is obscured. They can't get any like defining features
from his face. And of course he doesn't fidget, so

(50:23):
they immediately are like, oh, this guy's a professional, he's
done this before. There's no fidgeting, there's no nervousness at all.
And when he goes out to his brown nineteen seventy
five Pontiac Grand Prix in the parking lot, he drives
away normally like anyone else would, so there's no They
say that normally bank robbers will peel out or drive
away fast and then drive through a red light and

(50:45):
just try to get away as fast as they can,
and that's what makes eyewitnesses notice and then write your
license prate number down. So of course none of that happened.
He just drove away, So there were no eyewitnesses. So
not only are the police stuck with no leads, but
they realize that this is someone who knows exactly what

(51:05):
they're doing. And so here is a clip of that
footage from that robbery. Oh mans, his big old hat. Okay,
So seven months later, in December of nineteen ninety one,
the same mysterious man hits another bank in Irving. This
time it's Savings of America. Love it No no one,

(51:28):
No one's there. Do they have really bad rates or something? Again,
the bearded sunglass cowboy hatted man passes a note to
the teller. This time he makes off with one two
hundred and fifty eight dollars, but a witness sees him
drive out of the parking lot and does write down
the license plate number.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Nosey right, why I know? But out why did they
write it down?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I don't. They might it must have been someone from
inside the bank that like ran forward, is my personal theory.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
But that's we don't skip, and I don't know. So
the police get the license. They trace it immediately to
a house that's actually right close to the bank, so
they speed over there. When they get there, they find
an old lady sitting in her living room who says,
I haven't left the house all day. Oh, and I
haven't left the house all day. Get out. It's probably

(52:20):
more like it, right. So once they go outside, they
see that the old lady's read Chevrolet is missing its
license one license plate.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I wanted the old lady to be the bank robber
so bad. I was here for that.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
So a month later, in January of nineteen ninety two,
the robber strikes again, and this time it's at the
Texas Heritage Bank in Garland. He uses the exact same
m O. This time he leaves with three thousand dollars.
He strikes a fourth time in May of nineteen ninety two,
at the Nation's Bank in mis Guite.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
They're all over there.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
This time. The teller puts the cash together, but as
the teller tries to put the cash together, he tries
to sneak a die pack into the wad of cash.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, don't be a hero.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
The robber clocks it and takes it out and hands
it back to the teller and walks away.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
That's so much more creepy than if he like punched
him in the face or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I know, just like, you can go ahead and keep that.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Here's your chain, O.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Sorry. So this time he makes off with five, three
hundred and seventeen dollars. So the FBI agent assigned to
this case is a man named Steve Powell, and he's
going crazy because he's like, shit, we can't get this guy,
and he can't figure out who this as I wrote,
smooth ass bank robber is. So until they can identify him,

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he decides to give the bank robber the nickname Cowboy Bob.
So four months after that last hit, in September of
nineteen ninety two, Cowboy Bob rob's the first Gibalter bank
in Mesquite, taking seventeen hundred dollars, and the police get
the license plate number and track the car and uh

(54:13):
witha FBI agents following closely behind them. But once again
they tracked the plates to a nearby resident who then
realizes his own plates have been stolen. So it's the
exact same thing. So as they're investigating that robbery, they
police get a call from Mesquite's first Interstate bank a
mile away saying Cowboy Bob has just come through and

(54:37):
stolen a whopping thirteen thousand, seven hundred and six dollars.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
He's like, finally I got a fucking payd for real.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
He keeps on getting these tellers who had just dropped
everything down the little, a little forever tube and so
he's like, oh, I got a lazy one that didn't
cash out, and that was his biggest hit yet. So,
according to the teller, Cowboy Bob was so leased with
the amount of money that he got on this one
that he tipped his hat to her as he walked away.

(55:05):
Damn Yeah, because he's a classy motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
So, in just a year and a half, Cowboy Bob
has stolen a total of twenty about twenty six thousand
dollars from six different banks around the Dallas area the
larger area. So the FBI wonder if they're dealing with
a criminal mastermind and if they'll ever be able to catch.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Him or if it's just someone who lazy he doesn't
want to get a job because it's not that much money.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah, it's like what you'd make in a year, dude, Right,
So witness uh so, so on this on that last hit,
a witness has taken again taken down the license plate number.
So this time police trace it to a man named
Pete Tallis, who works at a Ford Autoparts factory in Carrollton.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
So you said, mesquite, you already cheered for. You can't
cheer for two different places.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
But they're both of those cities are amazing and different way.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
So when they go talk to Pete, he says, yes,
that is I own a brown nineteen seventy five Pontiac
Grand Prix. Yes, but I gave it to my mom
and my sister because they didn't have enough money to
get a car of their own. And when they tell
Pete that the Grand Prix has just been used in
a bank robbery, Pete says, bullshit, that car can't go

(56:25):
fast enough.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Okay, So he's right.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I mean, he's right. So the police get Pete's mom
and sister's address and they head over to the apartment
complex where they live. And in the parking lot when
they pull in, they spot Cowboy Bob's car, the brown
Grand Prix, and so they huddle up and they start
discussing what they should do. They're like, this is obviously

(56:50):
where he's hold up, and now we have to make
our plan. And they're talking about should we just bust
down their door, you like, storm in and catch him
because we could catch him with the money, or do
we slow play it. They're trying to figure it out,
and they see a woman walk out of the apartment
and up toward the car, and she's wearing shorts and
a T shirt and they're like, oh, I bet you

(57:12):
that's Cowboy Bob's girlfriend. So they decide she's got gets
in the car and drives away, so they let her
drive off, and they decide what they're going to do
is Agent Powell is going to stop her around the
corner so Cowboy Bob can't see them talking from the apartment,
so they wait until she's like a little farther away,
and they pull the car over and inside they that's

(57:33):
where they meet Peggy Joe Talis. So she politely introduces herself.
She explains, yes, the car is hers she got it
from her brother and that they ask her have you
used it at any time today and she goes, yeah,
I just got I went out and picked up some
fertilizer earlier this morning, And so agent Powell and his
team search the trunk. They do find a bag of

(57:55):
fertilizer in the trunk, so and then he asks if
they can search her part and she says, I mean,
there's nothing in there but my mom, who's like an
old kind of sick lady. But they're like, that's fine,
let's check it out. So at the apartment, the officers
ring the doorbell and Peggy's Piggy Joe's mom Helen answers

(58:17):
the door and then is shocked as a team of
FBI agents and police officers storm past her with the
guns drawn and go into the apartment. But once they
get there, they just see that it's this really neat,
tidy apartment that the two ladies live in together and
there's nothing, no cowboy bob, no piles of money, nothing,
So they kind of they're looking around. They go into

(58:39):
Peggy Joe's bedroom. They think maybe they're hiding, like if
it is her boyfriend that she's hiding him somewhere in
the closet or whatever. But no, they just see that
her bed is nicely made, and they open the closet
and all her clothes are very perfectly ironed and hung up,
and it's like, oh, yeah, we really got this wrong.
And then uh, an officer notices a styrophoone mannequin head

(59:05):
up on the shelf in the closet with a fake
beard you know to it, uh huh okay, and then
next to that a cowboy hat go and then they
check under Peggy Joe's bed and it's there's a bag
full of cash under there.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
So it's okay that I'm mad at them for not
hiding that shit.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Better, yes, get like pull up some floorboards and shove
your ship under there, move them on. So basically, then
Officer Powell turns to Peggy Joe and starts asking her, sorry,
how what is this stuff and why do you have
it in your room? And as she's as he's talking
to her, he noticed he notices that she's got a

(59:48):
little bit of fake beard glue on top of her lip.
And it turns out Cowboy Bob is Peggy Joe Talas.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Yeah, yeah, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Yeah, Swiss and he's like her, She fucking she's the
one that's been beating me this whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Oh the lip glue part is like too good to
be true, isn't it the best?

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Where he's kind of like, so, anyway, why do you
have the hold on? A second?

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Oh my god, I want to see it all line
up for him and like a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So wait, let's take it one the fuck Okay, Oh wait,
there she is?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Okay, the little girl or the mom?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yep, that's her. She's eight years old and she loves money. Yeah,
that's Paggy Joe up there, Peggy, that's her knees, I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I mean, don't do crimes, but but you're gonna do it?
Be cool?

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yeah, So he Agent Powell arrests Paggy Joe. They bring
her down to the station. So they're stunned to find
that this polite, very pretty, seemingly, very standardly normal woman
has been the man rob banks and styming the cops
and the FBI for a year and a half. When

(01:01:05):
they ask Peggy Joe why she did it, she doesn't
say anything, and she also doesn't really talk to her
defense attorney. All she'll say is that she robbed the
first bank to help pay for her sick mother's medication
for the degenerative bone disease that she has, and that,
but then when they ask her why she kept on
doing it, she just stares at the wall and shrugs

(01:01:27):
like she stares away.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Oh honey.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
So in court, the judge takes into consideration that Peggy
Joe was never violent in any of these crimes, and
she never used a weapon, She never brandished a weapon,
never threatened anybody, and seemed you can rob.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
A bank by just being like, I want things?

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
What? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I feel like we shouldn't be telling everyone that I mean, cause.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
If you don't know by now, come on, yeah, and
they have to give it to you, you're going to
get caught because they have everything. But but you can.
She never used a weapon, and other than that, she
seemed to be a mild mannered, law abiding citizen. So
she's given a thirty three month sentence and the first

(01:02:12):
anyone that's never had a child, that's two and a
half years in jail, thank you, right, yeah, oh he's
fifty four months old. Really, I don't you do the
fucking map for me. I came over here to visit
you clearly have a very specific idea in mind. Peggy

(01:02:36):
Joe serves her time without complaint. She doesn't when her
friends go to visit her in jail, she won't talk
about having done it. She just is like, how are you,
what's going on with you? And kind of is just
like not talking about it. And then when she's released,
all she says about it is that she assures her
family and friends that she won't ever do anything like
that again.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
I pinky swear I won't rob a fucking bank again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I promise that I won't. I won't commit a felony
ever again in a wig masked cowboy, hatting and posing
as a man. When she gets out, she's approached by
a true crime author about collaborating to write her story
and possibly turn it into a movie, and she says no,

(01:03:19):
because she's the fucking coolest person of all time. God,
she said, she just wants to put the whole thing
behind her, and she doesn't. She's like, thinks that's lame.
So let's talk a little bit about who Peggy Joe
Talis is. She was born in nineteen forty five and
she grows up the youngest of three children in Grand Prairie.

(01:03:40):
She's she's a well liked, spirited, free spirited child. But
when she's four years old, her father dies from cancer.
So that's when her mother gets a job as a
nurse's aide to support the family. So I skip this picture,
but this is her as a kid. So after the
tenth grade, and then we go through that. So after

(01:04:00):
the tenth grade, though, she drops out of school, explaining
to her mom that there's too much else to do
in life, then waste her days sitting in school? Yes, girl, Yes,
fucking wow. When I was like, I remember in sixth grade,
my desk was by the window, and all I would
do is stare out the window and go, what are
they all doing out there? I was obsessed with what

(01:04:23):
the town did while we were in school, Like all
the adults are free to do whatever the fuck they
want with no kids around.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Do you ever still get that feeling when you're out
an adult out in the world. Yeah, like a Tuesday afternoon. Yeah,
and you're just like, I could do whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
I know school, I don't have to go to school.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah, I do it still, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Thirty eight, I get I do get that every once
in a while, cure gratitude that I'll never have to
do algebra again. Okay, So she tells her friends and
everyone knows this about her. She's clearly a free spirit
and she is all a adventure. So she actually decides,

(01:05:02):
because it's like the early seventies, she decides to up
and drive out to San Francisco to see quote, to
see what's going on out there. Oh, it's just a
cultural revolution, Peggy Joe, no big deal. So she gets
out there, and when she comes back, like a month
or two later, I think it was, she's got books
by Lawrence for Lyngetti. She's like into the Beat poets,

(01:05:25):
and she's like, she's just all all about that kind
of doing whatever you want, living your life. So in
her twenties, she gets her own apartment in North Dallas
and she works as a receptionist, and at that job,
she makes friends with a girl she works with named
Cherry Young, and so the two spend evenings going out
to bars and concerts and basically looking for more adventure.

(01:05:46):
And Peggy Joe tells Cherry she doesn't really have any
career goals at all. She doesn't really care about having
a career. She's not interested in getting married. She doesn't
care about having kids. All she wants to do is
have adventures. So she basically says her plan is to
work just enough to pay the bills and then have
a little bit left over to go out and have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
This was literally me until I was twenty nine years old.
Hell yeah, I accidentally got it, like kind of cool Jobice.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I know, we're kind of doing it right now. Don't
tell them, don't tell them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
We basically robbed a bank.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Okay, but you gave us the money so nicely. It
seemed like you were really voluntary about it. So thank
you for being a part of our of this emotional felony.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
She was obsessed with the movie Butch Cassidy and the
Sun Dance Kitch. She saw a bunch of times. And
if you don't know, because you're a millennial, that is
a beautiful and amazing Paul Newman and fucking Robert Redford
movie about those two bandits who at the end of
the movie they go and re rob the same train
that they've already robbed and therefore draw basically get into

(01:06:57):
this huge gunfight and at the very end, I don't
know spoiler alert, they jump off a cliff. So, uh,
but definitely go see it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Wait you're thinking of Felman Luise.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Oh shit, m hm. So this is a quote from
Skip's article from Cherry talking about her friend Peggy Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
She told me she was saving a little so that
she could someday go to Mexico just live on a
beach in a hacienda and wear bathing suits night and day.
She was beautiful and she was rambunctious. And she told me,
and she always told me that deep down she was
wild at heart.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
And that was very true because one night Piggy Joe
and Cherry got into a fight at a restaurant. They
were like out for the night in fort Worth, and right,
you guys know what it's like to party in fort
Worth so much that you fight with your friend and
walk away. I just say sorry, but I ate like

(01:07:53):
I ate an apple before we did.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I noticed that he stop spitting spinning so much, Guys
in the back, trust me on this, I'm spitting okay, Okay.
So they get into a fight in fort Worth at
the bar restaurant in for work, fort Worth, and then
they both walk away from each other really fast and
Cherry just kind of like walks in one direction and
Peggy Joe walks out into the parking lot and there's

(01:08:19):
a truck sitting there with the keys ignitions. She just
gets into it and drives away. Yes, yes, that's what
she's like. Wow, she's my fucking hero. So when she
gets arrested for that, she actually gets the police casern
that you can't take that guy's truck. He won't have it,

(01:08:39):
not in Fort Worth. She gets arrested, she's given five
months probation for that. So sometime in the mid seventies,
she meets a man and he lives in a different
town and fall she falls in love with him and
it's like he's the one. So one day she goes

(01:08:59):
to meet him, and she goes to see him in
that town and when she gets there, she sees his
car on the street and so she thinks, oh, yeah,
here he is. I'm gonna go see and gets out
of her car and walks over. And as she's walking
toward the car, she sees a woman go get into
the car herself, and she walks up and goes, what
are you doing, And she goes, well, I'm getting into
my husband's car. And that's how she finds out this

(01:09:21):
motherfucker was married the whole time. Avey fucking married Ben?
What a crock of shit. Okay, just keep that in mind, youngsters,
please please, I'm begging you. After that, she decides, she
tells Cherry, I'm fucking never doing that again, like I'm
never gonna be hurt again. And she decides she's just

(01:09:43):
gonna spend time with her family and take care of
her mother who had just been diagnosed with that bone disease.
So that's this, that's this, Oh that's her later shit, sorry,
got it? So okay, So when Peggy Joe is in
her forties, she gets a really bad back injury and

(01:10:06):
then a little bit after that, she's forced to have
an emergency mistectomy. So that's when she realized, Like after
that those kind of really scary, life threatening situations, she
realizes that she hasn't really done as much as she's
wanted to do with her life. And she always thought,
I'll do it, I'll do it later. I want to
have an invention and I want to be that kind

(01:10:28):
of person, but I'll I have to do it later.
And now she's in her forties realizing that she doesn't
make enough money. Her mom doesn't make enough of Social
Security for them to cover these medical bills and the
cost of living, and that's when the string of bank
robberies begins. It all comes together in the perfect storm
of n a fake beard. So now we'll go back

(01:10:51):
to the present. After she's been arrested. So they release
her from jail and they move if she moves. So
basically she just has to get out of town because
the neighbors are talking about her and it's like, did
you hear Baggy Joe? So Beggy Joe's cowboy Bob. She

(01:11:11):
moves her mom into a small two bedroom house in
Garland to get away, and she becomes a cashier at
the Harbor Bay Marina at Lake Ray, Hubbard. So apparently
everyone there loves her. She's the coolest person ever. Anybody
that that they interview for this article that they just

(01:11:33):
have nothing but nice things to say about her. She's kind,
she's a model employee. She even uses her own money
to help poor customers pay for whatever they're trying to
buy bait and whatnot, you know, stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
You buy at the lake, the necessities mm hm.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
She works all day and then she goes home and
tends to her mother at night, and in two thousand
and two, her mother, Helen, passes away at the age
of eighty three. So in spring of two thousand and four,
Peggy decides she's going to get that adventure that she
had been looking for, and she buys herself an RV
because a guy at the marina is selling his RV
for fifty nine hundred dollars. And uh so she's like,

(01:12:13):
I got some cash hidden away under my beard? Oh
did she okay? So I don't know if that's I'm
sure they seized all the s money they could, but
I would hope that she would stick some like in
the bathroom back under a tampon boxer somewhere they wouldn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Look now everyone knows where to look in your house,
just all sorts of there's no tampons, but there's tons
of cash.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
It's all fives. So her plan is she's going to
save up a little bit more money and a little time,
and then she's finally going to go and move down
to Mexico and live on the beach like she's always
wanted to do all her life. And she tells a
friend she wants to do it now quote before life
runs out on her. So she sells off her furniture,

(01:12:59):
she moves out of that house, and Garland starts living
in that RV. So she's basically like, I'm gonna get
a little more money before I go. And in the
late summer of two thousand and four, she hits the road.
She doesn't tell anyone where she's going or if she
plans on coming back. She doesn't you know, the family.
Her older sister died of cancer also, so she really
doesn't have much family left except for her brother Pete,

(01:13:22):
and she just kind of is like a peace I'm
doing this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Do you think she was mad at him for accidentally
turning her in the first place with a car thing?

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Remember that doesn't seem to be what Peggy Jo's like. No, So,
no one really knows where she is for the next
couple months, but they say they spot her. They spot
the RV in different places around town, and she's oftentimes
camping out like at lakes and in camping areas, just
chilling out in the RV. She likes to have a
smoke every once in a while. So in October two

(01:13:53):
thousand and four, an older man in a dark floppy hat,
baggy clothes and gloves, robs the Guarantee Bank on the
south side of the city, but gets away without a trace,
and one teller tells the FBI agent that's investigating that
she was surprised that when the man spoke, he had
such a high pitched voice.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Shut your face. She promised everyone she wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Do it again, and she got out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Sorry, she's a free spirit. But at this point, Agent
Steve Powell is retired. He lives on his ranch and
he's the only one that would know what that meant.
And all the new younger the young guns are like,
all right, cool, we're looking for a guy with a
high voice. Let's do this. So through late two thousand

(01:14:37):
and four and early two thousand and five, her Peggy
Joe's family only hears from her from time to time
from payphones around the city. And then on Thursday May fifth,
two thousand and five, Peggy Joe Talis puts on a black,
a big black that's today. What, oh my god, oh

(01:15:01):
happy sinco demayo. Everybody, shit, we dropped that ball. We
really did see that's do you see the noise you
were making? And how weird that is? Out of the
blue to us.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
That's why it's like they're ooing something yay bit so
it's kind of a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I was like, someone puked again. Well, we're just gonna
have to get through it. Snap snap snap snap snap.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
No, someone puked a date out of their mouth. It
was amazing, Harold.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
I'll say that again the way I should.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
And then on Thursday May fifth, two thousand and five,
Peggy Joe Talis puts on a big black straw hat
and a large pair of sunglasses. She parks her RV
in a jack in the box parking lot across from
that same Guarantee bank that she that had just been

(01:15:53):
robbed the previous October, and she walks inside. She asks
the teller to hand over the cash, and she walks
out like she's done so many times before, but this
time she does not notice the die pack that the
teller puts into the cash, and as she gets outside,
that die pack explodes red ink all over her and

(01:16:15):
the puff of red smoke goes up into the air.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
It's like an arrow pointing out for real.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
It's a cursor. So she basically tries to like speed
walk with red with red smoke coming out from behind.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Her, trailing my money.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Oh my god, that's trailing behind her. So now witnesses
see a person walking out of a bank with red
dye all over the place, and they're like, do do do? Do?

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
Do do?

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Everybody calls the cops. The cops are already in the
neighborhood because they have been investigating the bank robberies that
have been happening in that area, and so they immediately
are there and they basically get to that jack in
the box parking lot as Peggy Joe is pulling out
in the RV. So now we are in a low
speed police pursuit because it's a fucking RV. Okay, So

(01:17:16):
this RV cannot even reach the speed limit when she
gets onto the highway, like the minimum limit. So she starts.
She tries to get on the highway to get away.
It's not happening. So she pulls off and goes into
a residential area.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Like side streets.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yes, I'll lose them in this humongous, giant two story car.
So pretty soon the police are able to box her
in and surround the vehicle, and of course they're like,
you're surrounded, come out with your hands up. They don't
know who's in this this RV. They have no idea.
And there were theories that there were gangs going around

(01:17:54):
and robbing these banks, and they were people working in teams.
So they're like, well, if it's an RV, the a
bunch of people are in there, probably so uh. Peggy
Joe stands up. She pulls the curtains and she goes
and sits back at the table and she fucking smokes
a cig and tries to make a decision about what
she's gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
It's important to have a curtains and a table in
your car.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
That's right, you can think and convenient. Ye's so good
for thinking. Yeah, then she played she played solitaire, all
the stuff people do in RV's thought. So nothing happens
for like ten minutes, and of course the cops are
like come out of the hands. It's getting like more
and more tense. So what she finally makes She puts

(01:18:38):
out her cigarette and she makes her decision. She goes
into her bedroom and she picks up a toy gun.
What and she walks out to the front of the
RV and opens the door.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Smoke one more cigarette and think about that for a
little longer. Oh, oh, which one are you gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
That's video of it happening, that was on the news.
So that's her leaning out of the RV door talking
to the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Cops as a woman, or like, does she take off
her yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
As herself, Okay, she took off or I think she
says the hat is on, like that's the floppy hat
and the sunglasses.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
But okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
She wasn't passing them notes or anything. She was just like,
it's me. So the police are shocked to see a
sixty year old woman standing in the doorway of the
of the bank robber gang RV and they she says
to them, you're gonna have to kill me, and they say,
we're not going to do that. Just put the gun

(01:19:36):
down and come out. That doesn't have to be that way,
And she says to them, quote, you mean to tell
me if I come out of here with a gun
and pointed at y'all, you're not going to shoot me.
And the cop that's closest to her says, do not
raise that gun. Please just put it down and come out.
She doesn't. She steps out and raises the gun and
Peggy Joe Talis is shot four times and killed on site.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Then the police throw a can of tear gas into
the RV, getting ready for the fucking bank robbery gang
that they think is having their grandma drive them around
in an RV.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
They're prepped for accomplices as well, they should be, but
instead they find the empty RV, the snubbed out cigarette,
and when they go into her bedroom they find her
three P fifty seven magnum that she actually owned that
she left inside.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
So the FBI, they all those agents that were there,
do the record check. They realize that the dead woman
is is none other than Piggy Joe talas Cowboy Bob.
So they call agent Steve Powell, retired agent Steve Powell
and leave him a message saying we have some bad
news for you. And when saying they have some bad

(01:20:49):
news about his old nemesis, and when he calls back,
he just says, say it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Isn't so do you think they had faun in love
way lightly?

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yes? Right right, because that's why would you be so
passionate to catch somebody? Yeah, And it was like, oh
my god. And then he's also questioning his sexuality, which
is hot. Yeah, maybe I like beards. He thinks to
himself secretly, what I never knew that about my life.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
And then he sees the glue on her upper lip,
and then he's like, I'm into glue.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
That's what I like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Love sniffing glue.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
I've never been able to really.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
So uh this is a This is a quote from
a Skips article from her friend Cherry again quote. I
might cry during this. Sometimes I can't get over the
sadness that she's gone. But then I think about her
walking out of that bank, sixty years old, that bag
full of money, and I have to say that she
went out doing what she loved, robbing fucking banks, robbing

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fucking banks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
We'll never understand it, but she was doing what she loved.
I wish I could write her a note and say,
good for you, my sweet peg, good for you. I
tell you, this is my favorite person of all fucking time.
When I tell you, because listen and I think we

(01:22:21):
all know this. It's kind The way this society is
set up is kind of a scam in lots of
different ways, especially the banking system, so medical the medical system,
the banking system, the invisibility of women over the age
of twenty fucking seven. That's right, the whole fucking thing.
Why not if you can fucking listen, if you can

(01:22:46):
take advantage of the things that normally oppress you and
turn them around and get three thousand, four hundred and
seventy three dollars every once in a while anyone, without
hurting anyone, without threatening anyone, without making it traumatic in
any way, you fucking get that paper girl, all right,
just saying I'm very inspired.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
I'm just saying, are we bankroppers?

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Now? I mean, we'd have to think of something different
because Peggy already did it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
But we just told everyone they wouldn't tell on us.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
They won't tell, Okay. So then I searched our email
and found an email that someone wrote into us. Yes, yes,
and it starts like this, dear all, or should I
say y'all, longtime listener? First time to get my lazy
ass to finally write this email? Honestly, I can't believe

(01:23:38):
I did it on a Monday. But here we are.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
From Is this from her?

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
From Peggy Joe?

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Like it sounds like her already.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
I grew up in a small town in North Texas
called Rockwall. It's it sits on the outskirts of Dallas
and is surrounded by a very large man made lake
that is used on the rag for speedboats, fishing, jet skiing, etc.
There are a few marinas along the water's bank, but
one was the most popular, mainly because the woman Peggy,

(01:24:08):
who ran the bait and convenience shop located on site,
was pretty legit. She was pleasant, friendly and would even
spot you if you were a little short on docking fees.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Mostly the younger crowd populated this location as it was
also easy at the time to score some cheap beers,
although we were underage, so fucking Peggy Jo's like, you
can have it. Go ahead, smoke, smoke, smoke. Don't tell
your mother from me. Uh. Flash forward a number of
years and my boyfriend, who was an habitual wake boarder

(01:24:42):
and was on the lake daily, received a text from
an old friend mentioning that old Peggy Joe from the
marina had died. Well, she didn't just die, she was
shot and killed by the FBI. Little did anyone know.
Peggy Joe Talis was another character that was well known
in the eyes the Law, and she basically goes on
and explains word for word exactly what I've just said,

(01:25:07):
and basically it ends with it's inevitably she died at
the scene, which was discovered after the handgun was a
child's toy and all that. It's very sad because also
all the cops and the agents that were there, they
were like, there was nothing that indicated that that gun
was a toy at all. You know, sometimes they have
like the orange safety caps and shit like that. They were,

(01:25:28):
I mean, it was a lot of them were super
fucked up about that whole thing she did. It was
suicide by cop. I mean that clearly she was like,
I'm fucking butch castting this thing and it was her
choice to do so. Then the last line is pretty
crazy shit for a small Texas town. But then again,
I guess sometimes that's the best place to hide. I

(01:25:50):
hope to make it to the Austin Show in November.
JK just saw it's already sold out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Oh I wish you could go back in time and
like give her a ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
A SSDGM page and that is the insane story of
the bank robber Peggy Joe Talas. Wow, fucking lover her.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Epic, so good, epic, amazing, great, job.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Thank you. I know that one wasn't like I usually
like to do a lot more jokes, but fucking I
don't know. I just think that's so. There's something about
that story that's so awesome. It's like a person like
it's never it's not over. You can, you know, trying
to do felonies and stuff, but you can. You can
do whatever you want at any stage of life you want,

(01:26:41):
you fucking do it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
You can reinvent yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
You can reinvent yourself, or you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Cannot reinvent yourself and do what you love to do
in your twenties. Yeah you're sixties, Yes, Rob Bank, why
fucking not, bim car boom, that's that you delivered. I
feel like everyone was on the edge of their seat.
I had never heard that story, but so it was
still one of my favorites. I'm so I can't believe
we that were posted that whole episode. I'm so glad

(01:27:06):
we get to bring breathe life back into that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
We can these look, we're these quilts are more than
just right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Me need have a vacation in Ventura and not there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
It's not just vacation, it's actually all right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
And then for the hometown. What should we do now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
The hometown is going to be from a show that
we did in December eighth of twenty seventeen. So if
you were at the Saint Louis, Missouri show that we
did at the Powell Symphony Hall, you will remember this
story that Mindy told us. How funny is this?

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
She was pregnant and now her kid is three four
I don't know. Math is a toddler four years old?

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Thank you? That's crazy, all right, going to be four
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Oh and in the ninetieth percentile.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
We're guessing. So enjoy this story for Mindy. Oh let's
tell them about this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Oh yes, okay, So we I was going to for
a little while gonna. I wanted my big thing to
be that I was gonna buy a blouse in the
Casino clothing store. You know they always have those or
are like they're just like three things of each color, Like,
come on, if you spilled something on your top, come
in here and guess it. So I went in there

(01:28:22):
as positive I was gonna do it, and the only
black shirt they had had these big white rings that
were cut through so that your skin would show. It's
like I simply can't do that. But then we just
started actually shopping around this store and they had some
they had some pretty good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
So we were like, Okay, we're gonna do well, We're
gonna do a hometown Let's get this insane gift for
the hometown person.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Yeah, we got a little hometown murder.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Per model it for the front while you tell them
what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
This is a gorgeous piece. This is probably from the
sixteen hundreds. I would think real diamonds, real diamonds, and
uh probably. Also what's nice is that the actual ring
finger part is uh it's stretchy like a watch, so
it's gonna fit anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
And essentially it's an octopus with diamond encrusted arms holding
a fish with a diamond eye. Oh, it's classic. It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Also, start the bidding at two dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
The best thing about it is the fish is screaming
in terror, his mouth is open and his eye is
this big, poor gud. This is a This is a
violent moment captured in jade, and we can't wait to
give it to over house. Now, let me tell you
really quickly the rules of Hometown. This just we've developed
over the live shows you've heard me say this, if

(01:29:44):
you've ever listened to a live show. You can't be
so drunk that you lose your place in your own story.
It's we love if you're drunk and God bless, but
this is a you got to deliver the narrative. It's
important beginning, middle end. It's good that it's from Saint
Louis so everybody can know it and have fun with it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
I think Missourian John like close by.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Close by, certainly, don't go out of state. What was
the third one?

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Just give it, you're all give it a go.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Just that was it?

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
And if you're on the you're on the it's your thing.
George's pin picking some great ones late Lisa, don't let
her down.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Okay, who has a hometown. I'm gonna just yeah you yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, go over to events right there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
But what's exciting about this is that she's already won
that ring. Yeah, that ring is yours. You can start
planning outfits around it, and just as you walk, think
about what you're gonna wear.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
And there I absolutely should have chosen someone.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Go there, wait, go over there to the Oh are.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
There steps now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
Oh? They're taking phonos with vents. It's fucking mayhem in here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
Yeah, I should have invited someone kloster to the Oh
there's a lit sign up there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Oh whoa, I don't know my glass does.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
I almost got murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Oh shit, there's a light up sign in the very
back that says I almost got murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Oh no, yeah, back, let's send this girl. Okay, here
she comes.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
You should right had everywhere you go? I way, Hi, Hi?
What's your name?

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Lindy?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Maybe everybody over here? Where's it going?

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
It's great?

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
How are you? Are you mad at me? No? Okay,
I'm really happy. Okay. Also, I'm pregnant.

Speaker 5 (01:31:51):
You guys always talk about pregnant people.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
I thought I didn't want to say anything, but when
you were walking up the aisle and you were like,
hurry up.

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
But I want to really awesome shirts that my husband
bought me. It's for our two year anniversary because we
really like Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
It's yes, no moon, Okay, I'm glad you're actually pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
That's no.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Mindy.

Speaker 5 (01:32:13):
Where are you from? I'm actually from craef Core.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Okay, what's that? What's that local?

Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
It's about fifteen minutes down forty from here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
It's real core crave.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
It's West County.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Will you spell it c r e v E c
o E you are? I have to picture something hard.

Speaker 5 (01:32:36):
So it's in Saint Louis. We have this thing telling
where there's all kinds of French words that we say.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
We're all oh nice, and we love that.

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
So it should be crab core meaning broken heart, but
but we say craef core because that's how we do well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Good, Yes, Nika, we support that one.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
So I'm here with my sister in law who came
all the way from Vegas, whoa, and her friend who's
my friend now, Kat, they're sitting right behind your uncle.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
We're sitting here at your uncle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Thanks for to care of him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
What's her murder?

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Okay, so you want to talk about your family more.

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
I mean it also happened in Creasecore, okay. And So
when I was in second grade, I was friends with
this girl and I'm going to not say her real
name because she's a real person, so I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Just call her Julie.

Speaker 5 (01:33:29):
And so Julie and I were real tight, were hanging
out all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
She was real She was a real quirky girl. She
like Nasa. I thought she was gonna be an astronaut.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
She's not.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
But anyway, so I was always going to our house
and she had this house that my parents called it
the compound because her mom lived there and both of
her grandparents and then her mom's friend and okay, so
it's nineteen eighty seven, so eighties and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
A lot of people were divorced then. So I'm like, mom,
what's up with you know what? Who's the friend? And
my mom's like, oh, don't worry about it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
But I kept asking about it. I'm like seven years old,
and finally she's like, okay, Mindy, she doesn't have a dad,
so that's her mom's boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
And I was like, okay, well where's your dad? And
my mom's like, okay, Mindy, you're seven year old enough
to know. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:24):
She was like, uh, her grandpa killed her dad. And
I was like with the grandpa that he's at the
house and I'm always there and we're hanging out, and
she had these It was one of these amazing families
where you'd go there and there was always a project,
like we would for her birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
I would like sit on.

Speaker 5 (01:34:43):
Her grandpa's lap and he would help me iron these
bows that we were making, and you know those big
eighties bows, you weren't here with the headbands. And so
we would be doing this and I'm hanging out with
her grandpa and I'm like, Okay, this like murdering, isn't
that big a deol because I'm hanging out with him.
And so anyhow, and like her mom would sit at
the piano and they would all sing together, and it

(01:35:05):
was like, so, so I'm creating this like this very
happy family picture, right, And I'm like it's only the grandpa,
Like fine.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Whatever, and so seven year old.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
Yeah, So anyway, a couple of nights ago, I knew
I was coming here. So I was like the parents,
I'm like, you need to get this story straight.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
And my dad's a.

Speaker 5 (01:35:28):
Lawyer, and he's like, okay, so here's the real deal.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
What happened was when Julie was five, she started.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
Reporting to her mom and grandparents that she was being
sexually abused by what was her divorced dad. And the
mom and the grandparents were like, well, we can't have this,
but they eighties couldn't do anything about it, so he
still had this visitation rights whatever. So they planned this
thing where when he came back, they were in the
kitchen and the grandpa stabbed him, in my dad's words,

(01:36:00):
probably a bunch of times.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
With a kitch a knife. Oh my god, we're not.

Speaker 5 (01:36:06):
Done yet, because then the whole family, probably not including Julie,
comes together and they chop him up into little pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I told you the piano thing, red slag. I told you,
you're pushing it. You're pushing it. You're trying to put
this show on. So they chop him over in the
little pieces.

Speaker 5 (01:36:30):
They put him in a bag, and we were talking
about this in the car. We decided he had to
be chopped into little pieces because he might not have
fit in the bag they had specifically picked. So then
they drive out on like family road trip to Saint Charles.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
If you guys know which, by the way, is where
I work.

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
And they drive out to Saint Charles, they find like
a back road and they just bury him there and
then they go about.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Living their lives.

Speaker 5 (01:36:59):
And one day some guy and I guess he was
like a hunter with a dog or something, and he
found the body and calls the police and they put
this all together and they figure out this this is
Julie's dad, and so they show up at the compound,
which is just starting for but they show up there
and they are like, what has happened here? And the

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whole family's like, we have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
And so they're Hordish British. They just became British just
for the moment.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
So my according to my dad, who knows this from
like lawyers and other lawyers or whatever, apparently they like
systematically would pull like each member of the family and
jail them for forty eight hours and like grill them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Nobody would break.

Speaker 5 (01:37:50):
Wow, everybody had no idea what happened. So they would
do this for months and months, like they would hide.

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
This from Julius somehow.

Speaker 5 (01:37:58):
And so this one, this it had been started when
she was five. We're the same age, so seven second grade,
it's still happening. Like the whole family's still living in
the house, They're still the police are stalking and bothering
them all the time. They can't get anything out of them.
And like my dad meanwhile is going to these lawyer
like corporate parties. He sees her grandparents and her parents there,

(01:38:21):
they're all hanging out. I'm going there all the time.
It turns out my parents know that this family like
shopped this guy up and buried him somewhere, and they're
like sending me over there all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
It sounds like a really safe place. Honestly, no one's
gonna actually sound like.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
The safest place a little girl could be.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Yeah, yeah, we're getting in for that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
So then, so I guess at some point her grandpa
decided that he would agreed to He's like, I didn't
do it, but I'm going to plead to second degree
murder so that you'll leave my family alone.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
So they came to some agreement.

Speaker 5 (01:38:59):
That if you was there in jail for seven years,
then when it was all over it, they would leave the.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Whole family alone.

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
And at that point, Julie switched schools and just we
didn't see them anymore. And I'm like, I go to college,
I come back and waitressing at Cecil Whitaker's Pizza and
I wait on their family and it's the mom and
the grandparents and obviously meanwhile like I don't know all

(01:39:26):
that happened whatever, and they're all happy in the Mom's
like trying to get me to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Take a class that she teaches and the.

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
Grandparents are like updating me on Julie, telling me how
everything's going and everything is all good and so anyway,
So when I'm asking my parents about this, I'm like, wait,
you knew the whole thing when I was seven and
you sent me over there repeatedly, And they were like, well,
we knew you'd be safe.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
Oh eighties Paris. They were right. They have no shame.
They don't even regret it. Shit, that was amazing. I
don't mind. No, I don't mind a chop lester getting
chopped up. No, we've heard much worse that ring. Oh

(01:40:16):
my god, look what you just get here. Okay, can
you just describe what you're seeing to the people right now?

Speaker 5 (01:40:22):
I don't know if I could do a better job
than you guys did.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
Okay, then see you later. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:40:29):
It is like a lime green and it's almost as
if this thing is wearing Oh he's he has the fish,
but it looks like he's wearing the fish.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
He does look like a little fish ring.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
Maybe the fish is like the octopus is wearing a ring,
and so am.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
I that's better than the fish being killed. I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
Thank you, Mandy. Everybody that's how you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:58):
Thank you all right, Thanks Mindy, way to go, and
for our fucking hooray. We wanted to recognize and shout
out and give some support to our Texas Murderinos and
everyone in tech.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Yeah, we know you guys down there are really going
through some really heavy shits. It's really heavy to see
the news coming out of Texas. It's really horrible to
see so many people stranded, abandoned, not have food, not
have water, like it's just kind of insane. And we're
really feeling for you, and especially because and we used

(01:41:38):
to talk about this early days that Texas Murderinos showed
up early and strong and they are network. When they
first started giving us the numbers and telling us like
where where the big populations of murderinos were, they were
just like Texas, all over Texas and we were like,
what what us Really?

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
They didn't hate our guts, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
He and in fact, you love us and we love you.
So we're going to donate ten thousand dollars to the
Texas Relief fundraiser so that you guys get taken care
of because you deserve it. And in the name of
we're going to donate that money in the name of
the murder he knows of Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Yep. So thanks to you, guys, and we're thinking of
you and fuck hold on tight and take care of
each other.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Yeah, So thanks for listening, thanks for being here. Take
care of yourself. It's a bumpy out there. It's been
a bumpy year. But look at you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
You got through it. You're still here a year later.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
And can we're continuing on.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
Yeah, We're just.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
Going to keep plowing through because that's what we do,
you know, and that's You'll find some light to take
that out. You'll find some light at the end of
your disgusting, dark, ugly tunnel.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Yeah. So take care of yourselves, guys. Yeah, and stay
sex and don't get murder.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Goodbye, Elvis.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Do you want a cookie?

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
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