265 - The Answer’s Salt

On this week's episode, Karen and Georgia cover the survivor story of Theresa Saldana.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Hartstar.
Thank you. That's Karen Kilgera.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're welcome. We are proud to be here with you
this week, talking about true crime, talking about whatever the
fuck we want.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yeah, maybe we'll recommend a book or two for your
reading pleasure.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
What maybe we'll have an anecdote about a wonderful thing.
Maybe there's correction corners up the wazoo all ways and forever?
Should I kick off with the emergency correction corner?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh shit, I didn't know we had one. This is
an emergency. Oh my god, Oh my god. Okay, what
did we do? Well? We can actually blame it on
home Jim, because oh yeah, fuck, this is an emergency.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
It's an emergency. Oh you cannot put out a grease
fire with flower.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
You cannot. Now I've been listening, or if you haven't,
please don't try to put out it. We've been giving
false information, dangerous false spreading lies.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Apparently my dad's been retired long enough from the San
Francisco Fire Department that he doesn't know how to put
fires out anymore. I think it's said, you think it's
funny whatever, But we've got I got lots and lots
of tweets with people who are related to firemen who
are sitting next to one at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Who here's just my favorite just have went to kindergarten
and learned some basics, learned the bit well, but I
never I always just thought it was a I was.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Happy to take his information and be like, this is
what I also have already known. This is the way
families grow up ignorant.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
If Tom Jen doesn't know, then who among us is
to know? But I do.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I will defend him by saying that he did do.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
That thing where he said I think so, and.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Maybe that was the flower that was getting in.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
But well, that's all you can expect on my favorite
murder is a solid I think so with a question
mark at the end.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
We're setting you, the listener up to help us. We
need you to help us. We're trying to get you
to participate.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
This is an interactive podcast. This is the choose your
own adventure podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
This is an intervention podcast where someone's going to walk
in and say enough isn't now.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Are your stoves on fire? Your show's burning down? Don't
you care?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
And then that's when George and I grab ands and
run into the sea. So yeah, only use salt, baking soda,
or a wet towel if you're even going to attempt
to put out a grease fire. Yeah, obviously fire extring
of sure is your best bet, but those are hard
to use.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Someone told me I read online too, that those like
there's a green bottled one that's specifically for grease fires,
and then the red ones are for firefires.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
They like they they might cause the same problem I had.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know what, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Stop making bacon and fucking around, and stop.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Making your favorite murder podcast or is your firefighters and
your information around.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
And stop being mad because I pose as a firefighter
and then get mad at you when I give you
the wrong information.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Stop giving us good information. We're gonna fight it every
step of the way. Well that's go anyway, Hopefully we
clear that up for you. Let's all look up everyone
right now, look up ways to put out fires. That's it.
You know how to get red wine out of a dress.
You should also know how to put out certain different
kinds of fires. How about this. It's all salt. The
answer salt for everything.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's getting red wine out of a dress, it's putting
out fires, it's rubbing into wounds, whatever.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
You need making your food delicious.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
My favorite thing was people sending me pictures of other
people's notes from their phone, like it literally or like
a part of a Facebook post where I'm like, could
we get a source on this? If my dad's not sure,
why should I believe your iPhone note? Yeah, it just
has a written list. That's still not a better source.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, here's another listener generated piece of advice of safety
advice randomly that I was going to read and it
kind of goes along with it. So on Instagram, someone
whose name is a underscore Nulf they were doing it
like a deep Reddit dive about the del Fi murders,

(04:26):
which I covered a while back.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
And.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
The piece of advice they gave is apparently, you can
set up your phone so that if you push the
power button twice and said, it's probably different depending on
your phone, but there's a phone on it, a button
on everyone's phone, and if you press it, the phone
will take a picture of what's in front of you,
behind you, and a five second video, and then all
of that will get sent to your emergency contact. So like,

(04:53):
if you're my emergency contact, you'll know I'm in distress.
It'll send you that information so you have it in
case something is wrong. And that's an app or that's
already on the it's already a feature of your phone,
which I want to try, but I'm not gonna and
I guess you probably have to set up an emergent
Stevens laughing. Is this just total bullshit?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, I've never heard of this before, Stephen, is this
a creepy pasta safety tip?

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Let's do it. But I don't think I have anyone
set up as an emergency contact, so I don't know
if it'll work. What if it just sends it to
my ex because I haven't seen.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
It, I know it's gonna say because for real, I
was just like, who would my emergency contact me? That's
a sad moment. Yeah yeah, but would you come over
like three am?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
No, I'd be like, she must have sat on her phone,
Vin Spence, go check. I try to call you, she's
not picking up. I'm just gonna but it's.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Like, I'm gonna make make my neighbor, my neighbor that
I just met recently, my emergency contact.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Maybe my best friend in my emergency contact, can you
pick me up at the airport? What else? But let's
I think that finding out your emergency settings on your
phone is probably a really good thing to have.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's a good thing to Oh, maybe we go into
speaking of emergency settings of safety. Lots of lots and
lots of people. We all went into this this week.
This was something that happened on the internet. And I
don't think no one missed it. No, not one person

(06:27):
missed it, and not one person didn't send it to me.
Samantha Hartzo is her name on TikTok, who felt wind
blowing from behind her mirror. Yeah, took her mirror down,
only to discover there was an opening.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Her medicine cabinet behind her. Yeah, her medicine cabinet mirror right, Yeah,
takes it off the wall in her apartment. Her roommates
watch her go laughingly. Good job.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
So she goes through the wall and there's an entire
empty apartment hidden.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
And she starts walking in it. You And this is
the thing that, like.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I was talking with with my friends last night about
she it wasn't like a space where she could like
just kind of bend down and go intigrat it was
like she had to contort herself to go through the
mirror hole and then was walking freely around an apartment
the contents of which she did not know.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, a huge looked like abandon apartment. But here's the thing.
I knew that that was a thing that they build
them like that because my sister used to live in
this like old you know, I think it was like
just pre war apartment in Culver City and had that
same issue because every morning, the person who shared a

(07:43):
wall with her, they would be getting they would be
getting ready on either side of the medicine cabinet, and
then there would just be you could see them. There
would be like a little gap and they they'd sometimes
make eye contact with the smallest gap you can see
a sliver of each other's eyes, and they'd both be
getting ready, and then there would just be this awkward
moment of like to be acknowledge that we're basically roommates

(08:07):
right now. Yeah, and you could, yeah, just take out
the mirror and fucking go into each other's apartments. You're
not safe anywhere. There's nowhere you're safe.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It's a the idea that with a big smile on
her face and like with TikTok in her heart, she
went into a question mark space and then kind of
just fucked around when she went down those stairs.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I was like, yeah, this is not going to end well,
you think what I love the safety of TikTok, but.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yes, no, no, and she but she did lock that
door when she got down to the bottom the stairs.
This is like a this is a TikTok recap podcast.
But everybody, congratulations Samantha, because you were the character of
the week on Twitter, and not in a bad way,
like in a way wherever.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
We were all scared for you, we were there with you.
You're very brave. I thought.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I was very proud, but at the same time, like
why are you doing it?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
And not enough?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Hammer's not enough if you're gonna go into a space
like that.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Because even it could be like there's gonna be a
squatter there who's like stop filming me and angry.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
The Blair Witch could be there with her back turned
in the corner, right and then you're like, wait, there's
someone in the corner with their back.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Ma'am, ma'am, are you okay? I'm the girl from TikTok.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Thea And she comes back her eyes are weird. She
starts eating a room mate for her, I'm happy for
her and good for her if she does.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I'm happy for I am so Hampa. Congratulations Samantha, congratulations.
New York Post picked up your story. It's pretty sweet.
It was.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
It was a good one, and it was like it
was really She just was basically like, you know what,
we're in quarantine. This is happening to me. I'm going
to create some content for all of us.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yea and a bluey. She did it. We love an
internet success story. We love a viral TikTok success story.
That's I hear.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
She's getting a DIY show on HGTV. Now, good Samantha
and her hammer.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
I love it. Okay, what else?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well? I made a chicken, the whole one, Yes, didn't
I show you congratulate.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
I'm gonna text you this picture right now that the
roasted and roasted.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
It was roasted the barefoot Kntessa taught me how and
I made a tweet in it. But honestly, because anytime
I asked my sister how to do something.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
She's like, just look up Vinergarten. She knows how to
make everything.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
There's always videos like that's Laura's advice across the board.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I agree with her.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yes, And in this chicken roasting video, she's the best.
It starts with Kindergarten looking in the camera and going,
I could do this in my sleep.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
He was like, whoever you that's what I said. That's hilarious.
Did you see the tweet?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
No? I literally I did that quote and wrote yes, bitch,
and then proceeded to watch the video truly, like ten
times because she's so good at it and soothing and
it really was so simple.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Did she had butter under the skin, which is the
grossest thing to do, but it really does make it better?
Does she do that?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
She we basted the top of the skin. We didn't
do underneath. But my mom used to do that to
the Thanksgiving turkey. Yeah, big pats of butter underneath. Yeah,
stuffing it in there, long fingernails, shoving like butter and spicy.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Don't do that? Well, she had clean hands, I'm sure
she did. I didn't mean to insinuate your mother was salthy.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Oh okay, okay, here's my chicken final form. It was
really fun and easy.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Boom check that out? Who can this makes you? Honorary? Jew?
Really why because we Jews are greater roasted chicken. This
is like, is that true? Uh huh? Look at you,
even right up its little legs. I found some string
in my drawer.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
That I saved like a weird little pack rat, and
I was like, I have twine. Is that cauliflower? Hell yeah,
well those innovative That's all the vegetables I had. I
didn't have any good root vegetables, so I just threw
the onions and cauliflower.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
That's all you need. It's beautiful. I wish I could
have some right now, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I have so the only problem is that I now have.
I'm living in chicken. It's ridiculous. It's everywhere all the time.
But it used to It seems so intimidating for so long,
and I think it's just one of the side effects
of quarantine, which I am grateful for, which is I
put aside all of my cooking negative and just started

(12:41):
actually doing it, Like who cares if you mess it up?
You're here anyway.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, well good I didn't make it. Vince mince made corn,
beef and cabbage. Whoa, we're all about the slow cooker
in the house. Oh good night. You should bust that out.
Oh I got an air fryer because you guys all
told me I had to get one, but I haven't
used it yet, But fucking they're all the right.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
People really love those.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Things as air friars. Apparently, I'll try anything.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
This is just after It's not really a correction because
this was more the way this listener let me know
about this really felt more like a celebration. Plus their
name on Twitter is mad Mac Murderino great and they
said almost peed my pants listening to today's episode. When

(13:26):
you talk about Yara gray Joy going up against the
detector inspective, that's what I.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Said, noticed about it all. I love that.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
That's when I get really excited, because you know that
thing you do when you're talking and thinking at the
same time where you're like, oh, what's the word I'm
about to say? Because in England they don't call them
you know this, And then I'm like, what do they
call them? I watched so much British Sudia, I know
what they call them. Yeah, and then of course that's
what I say. She wrote, Played it back six times right,

(13:56):
sounded good to me. Played it back six times to
make sure I wasn't just mentally fatigued. Thank you for
the joy. Spoken word dyslexia is real, Helliah. And then
she did hashtag it me And we know that because
it happens quite frequently when you do a podcast.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Well, I feel like when you have, yeah, when you
have five years of yourself recorded, there's going to be
a lot. And you know, I have some classic ones
that I still use to this day, legendary, legendary. So
it's going to happen and hopefully, So what's the big one?
I can't think of right now, even what was it?
We called that episode, Oh, per livity forsity for clensityles,

(14:37):
which I now use. It works, It works in honey,
I just refuse to admit that it's wrong.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
I have a couple pieces of news. Oh what is
things in the news? Oh, one of them you might
have sent me. Oh you did that the Kendrick Johnson
case that I covered, Stephen, If you can find out
what episode that was that I covered it where the
young high school boy was found dead rolled in a

(15:05):
gym matt at his school and it was ruled accidental.
I don't have a lot of information, but it's being reopened.
It was twenty thirteen, and the case is being reopened,
which was like all his parents wanted because there were
some issues with other kids at school that he was
fighting with. There was some missing time on the surveillance

(15:26):
camera at school and it's and then some like evidence burned,
so it was really suspicious. So even if they just
look into it and found that there was wrongdoing in
the way that it was investigated, you know, I think
that's just at least yes.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Just the idea that it's being like, just everything's being analyzed.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
That is very good and happy to hear that one
was that, Stephen. It was in April of twenty twenty,
and it was episode two, sixteen April second. Awesome, Thank you. Yeah,
so we'll keep our eye out for more information on that.
Oh and then did you send Oh Steven sent us
this that Elizabeth Banks is set to direct the bear

(16:06):
centric thriller about the Cocaine Bear. Yes, yeah, yeah, happy
it's happening.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I think today I got fifty tweets about Okay.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
See I'm not on Twitter, so I don't see this.
Yeah cool. What else do you have anything in that?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Well? I just finished a book. I want to brag
because I've finished a book.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Congratulations. Look it's not I have a hard time. No,
I mean it.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I literally dragged my finger along like like that little.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Two year old girl. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So the author Elena Ferrante, who wrote My Brilliant Friend,
which is a series on I Believe HBO. Yeah, she
is a new book called The Lying Life of Adults.
And I loved my lovely friend Jamie Filippini, who is
what I used to call my normal friend because she
wasn't a stand up comic and she wasn't in show business,

(17:00):
and she's been my friend for a long time. And
she just sent me this book and she's like, I
got it, and I'm like, wait, I got this weird book.
And then she texted me and she's like.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
I just finished it. I think you're gonna like it.
It was just like one of those things. I'm like,
I love it, Possible Surprise, Quarantine Gifts, it's the best feeling. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
It's a teenage girl who's changing over from being kind
of an innocent only child where her two parents like
it's just this family that she has regular and she
goes through an adolescence thing, but it's kind of that
thing of like as you grow up as a girl
and you get an id in your head about yourself
and then you start acting based on this truth that

(17:40):
you've made up about yourself.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Is it current day? Yes?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I believe she ish.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
That's so funny. I'm writing a similar book about a
young woman, like growing young woman who's coming into herself.
What's it called but okay, it's called the Book of
Longings and it's by Sue Monk kid Kid, who I've
mentioned before, beautiful poetic writer. She wrote the invention of

(18:05):
wings in the Secret Life of Bees. So this one
is about a young woman coming into her adulthood, but
it takes place in the first century in Israel. Ooh,
and she's gonna be like fucking given away into marriage.
But she's so smart and worldly and like learning about God.

(18:27):
She's Jewish and she This is a spoiler, but not really,
because it's what it's about. Meet cute. She meets a
boy who's like under her in class, like in her
class ranking, but he is an outcast from his town
of Nazareth, where he's from the Jamn. They fucking have

(18:47):
a meet cute and fall in love and his name
is Jesus. It's so I was not expecting because I
was like, I'm just gonna not even read that. I'm
just going to listen to it because I love her,
right my kids writing. And then I was like, hold on,
his mother's name is Mary. Hold On, Like I I
didn't figure it out. But it is also beautiful, and

(19:12):
you know, I'm not. It's just really lovely and like
heartfelt and yeah, right, that's all right.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
So this is this The titles this book is Jesus's
first girlfriend, Jesus's first love.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
It's called the Book of Longings.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
It's called Who I Was Seeing at the Time. You
know when people do that, we're like my girlfriend. They're
telling you a story and they're like my girlfriend at
the time.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Right, Really, I get it. It's not now because I
think people are like now coming out the like Jesus
had a wife, Like that's a thing. I dare you.
I maybe I'm totally wrong. Maybe you don't put I'm
putting grease fire. I'm putting flower on the grease fire
flying Your religion.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Is the perfect no, no, no, you know what you're thinking
of that. You're right, but you're thinking of my favorite
book ever written, The Da Vinci Code. Mary Magdalene, that
Mary Magdalen was Jesus's wife, and that there that the
that the Arc of the Covenant, not the Ark of
the Covenant, the Noah's art Holy Grail. Sorry, the Holy

(20:18):
Grail is actually Jesus's child.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
That's that.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
That it's a symbol. Okay, So basically, there's a there's
a bloodline of Jesus's family.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Who on earth? Okay? Is the All right, well, I
don't know anything about that.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Well, I would love for you to watch Da Vinci
Code one and two with me. Really, it's we'll just
take a journey through Tom Hanks making terrible hair decisions.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
All right.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Uh, I have another I have another book recommendation, but
I took this one from our friend of the family,
Rachel McCarthy J James, who is the co author of
my favorite favorite book, The Man from the Train. If
you haven't read The Man from the Train and you
like true crime.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
It is stop yelling at me.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
A mind blowing I just want to reread it. But
she just recommended a book, so this is actually not
a recommendation. But this is the book I'm picking to
read after this because I just finished the other one.
An author named Elon Green is a writer, a very
accomplished writer. He wrote a it's a true crime book
called Last Call, a true story of love, lust and

(21:31):
murder in Queer, New York. And it's the story of
the Last Call killer.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
That's right from the nineties. Yeah, yes, and I cannot
wait to read it. It's that.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
The reviews are amazing and Rachel McCarthy James recommended it
today on Twitter and was basically like, this is going
to be amazing. Well, but then did a thing which
we always love. She linked it to her local independent bookstore.
So if you can buy books from a petit bookstores
when you're buying your new book, do that beautiful yes

(22:04):
movie you can do.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
This corner completely provided by Rachel McCarthy js lifted entirely
from her Twitter feed, but with credit, Yes, but with credit.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
And I still need to read the man from the
from the train or around the train, in the train
on the.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Train from from Yeah get it, he's from that train.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Hey, chew choo, he killed everybody anab stab ax acts.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Unbelievable, unbelievable. I should we do a little news, a
little business.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Hey, let's do a little exactly right, corner because we
have a business, a growing business, a startup some would
say a startup.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
And you know when people in the tech industry are
going to seed a good idea, they always combine the
combine elements, which is what we did on Do You
Need to Ride? Oh, so it's do You Need to Ride?
This week has Banana Boy Kurt Browneler. It's a fun,
great episode where we chatted NonStop. Obviously that you're forced to,

(23:10):
but we liked it. We had a great time after
asses Off.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Okay, so that's a crossover. And then Lady to Lady,
the podcast on Exactly Right Network has Friend of the
Family Fortune Themester on, who's just an incredible talent. If
you haven't watched her special, her comedy special, Sweet and Salty,
you're missing out. So that's all in the family. That's fun, yeah,

(23:36):
say and over on I Saw what you did.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Of course, Million Danielle are continuing the is it good
or was I horny? Movie bracket? So definitely they're going
over all the movies that affected you, as you know,
a youngster. Go check that out and see if you
have anything to say or any way to participate in.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Then it's a really really fun just to watch along.
It's really funny. Yeah, And that's on the Instagram is
I saw Pod, So you can follow along there. You
can vote yourself if you want. And they also have
incredible new merch out that we highly recommend to support
them and to fucking look cool as shit while you're
doing it. And to wrap it down.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
This week on the per cast Stephen Ray Morris and Sarah,
they have a friend of the fam author Moreen Johnson
on and you might know Maureen because she this was
a while ago. This was like a couple of years ago.
She dedicated one of her books. She's a very accomplished author.

(24:38):
She dedicated one of her books to all Murderinos and
then in the first printing they left out the R
so it said to all Muttererinos.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
And when it came.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Out she posted it to us and it was on
Twitter and she was like, you know, wrote this whole thing.
And then I DMed her and I was like, I
hate to do this, but I just.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Want us from noble source from the so like, I
just want you to know first and like just get
it rip the band aid off and then so if
you're falling me along in the minisodes. We've been doing
some stories about Oh, I guess only did one story
about gravestone cleaning, the art of gravestone cleaning and.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Too like because you did it this week as well.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
No, last week, yeah, this week and then last week
I suggested a Instagram I think.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, Oh, sorry what I mean? The topic has been
brought up.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, let's just go. Yeah, So we thought it'd be
fun to have a callback to Uh. We have a
gravestone inspired design for My Favorite Murder that we've been selling,
and so we refilled those items. So it's like a
cool Victorian looking gravestone that says my favorite Murder on it,

(25:47):
and you can get that at my Favorite Murder dot
com in the store. There's also some cool extras with
that design if you're part of the fan cult.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
And we also got if you were waiting for the
here's the thing. Fock everyone mugs. They are in stock, yes,
so fucking they have been returned, so.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
The merch is there. There's lots of mugs.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
There's uh uh, there's also the fucking her a mug.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
There's so much fun.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Looks like balloons.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
That is my joy is every time Denton shows us
new designs and then lets us pick out what they're
called blanks, like do you want it on this kind
of shirt of this kind of shirt? Do you want
it on this tank top? Or do you want it
on a towel? Or do you want it on a koozy.
It's like the most fun for me, So please check
that even just look at it and be like, yeah,
I George is right. This is fucking cool.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
It's good, it is, and we have some great artists
and designers. You it's very fun.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Okay, look all right, so I'm going this week and
I got this, so we got this info. Speaking of
exactly right, Aaron Brown, our social media manager, who I've
known for a very long time, she wrote you know
what she does in her little bio and then said
the way she got into true crime was when she
was little and saw the made for TV movie of

(27:02):
this story. And I'd never heard of it. So I
went and found it and I'm going to do the
story of Teresa Saldona. Oh my god, I figured you
did know all about it.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Also, this made for TV movie was I think I
probably saw it when I was I bet you it's
like fourteen fifteen.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah, I think she said she saw when she was eight,
and then like, yeah, yeah, mine. So it's unbelievable. Yeah,
So I had never I didn't know the story at all.
So I went down this rabbit hole of it. I
got the information from an article by Sharon Lynn Pruitt
for Oxygen, Cale Have Her Fold for Goliath, Cheryl Eddie

(27:42):
for Gizmoto, Diane Klein for Wappo, Andrew Limbong for NPR,
Carol Baker Free UPI the Shade Room dot com by
Christina Callaway New York Times, and Wikipedia. And I also
watched the Maid for TV movie of course, yeah, you
can find on YouTube. So. Teresa Seal Donna is born
August twentieth in nineteen fifty four in Brooklyn. At just

(28:04):
five days old, she's adopted by Divina and Tony Souvana.
At twelve years old, she starts taking acting classes, and
she is good. She lands a handful of off Broadway
plays as she grows, and then starts to book small
roles on TV shows and in films, And then her
career grows and she starts seriously attracting notice. After she's

(28:27):
cast in the nineteen seventy eight Beatlemania film I want
to hold your hand. Did you see that?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
No, well it's not the original. It's like, was it
like a made for TV man?

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think it's like a TV movie about Beatlemania. Yeah. Yeah.
Then in early in the early eighties, so she starts
landing significant roles, and she's getting bigger and bigger, including
in the revenge thriller Defiance, in which she plays a
nice girl in a tough neighborhood. And then her career
takes a giant step forward when she's in the Martin

(29:01):
Scorsese film Raging Ball, a fucking classic. She plays Joe
Peshy's wife, Lenora Lamada, who's also the sister in law
of Robert de Niro's character. So these are big roles
with big up and coming actors. That's like, I'm sure
she's doped.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I mean, this is yeah, we're going into peaks Scorsese
area where he had been. You know, I bet you
when she got that part in Raging Yes, she was
fucking yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
She partied.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
She partied, she went out for some like some champagne
with her friends. I mean that would have been a
really big deal. I mean obviously, right with those actors
and that director.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, that's epic, and he always casts like he seems
like he keeps the same actors in his like wheelhouse.
So I'm sure she was like, this is it. These
two films bring her career success, but unfortunately they also
bring the attention of a forty seven year old drifter
living in Aberdeen, Scotland named Arthur Richard Jackson. Unbeknownst to

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Teresa Jackson, stock sell Donna for eighteen months, and he
even hires a private investigator to find out her personal information.
He's able to get the unlisted phone number of her mother,
and then he calls her mom, pretending to be Martin
Scorsese's assistant and tells the mom, who, of course, you know,

(30:28):
I think they're in New York. Still, they have no
idea about the business, tells her, sorry, just doesn't understand
how it works that there's there'd be no reason why
the assistant.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Oh wait, thats just sorry. The way it came out though,
was in New York. They don't know for good about
business or it's like, I don't know, I feel like
that's one of those cities where there's.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
A bunch of shit, you understand, you know, I'm guessing
they live in the suburbs in the made those hicks
in New York. They don't know how business works. As
a journey on Broadway. What do they know from Martin Scorsese.
They don't know how that's typical up as well. Phones.
They don't know phones. So the mom gets the call

(31:08):
and then the movie she's like, typical New York mom.
It's not like, you know, she would know about these
things that Martin Scorsese's assistant wouldn't be calling the mom
to be like, hey, can I get the phone number
an address of Teresa. There's this script that Martin Scorsese
needs filled right away, like how you talk about it's
an emergency and that's tricks people into doing things they

(31:28):
wouldn't normally do.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Ye to rush, you have to do it right exactly official.
I'm important, right, He says. They're shooting a film in Europe.
They need an actress replacement right away. What's Teresa's phone number?

Speaker 1 (31:41):
So she gives her this man Teresa's phone number, and
in an interview with Larry King, Teresa Saldana later says,
as soon as I got the call from my mom,
because the mom was like I think I did I
think I fucked up immediately. As soon as she got
off the call with her mom, her manager, Selma Rubin,
called a minute later to tell her that she had

(32:01):
been getting some weird calls too, and it appeared to
be from the same person. And so then Teresa says,
I called the police, but at that time they didn't
have themselves on the alert for things like this. They
thought it was just nothing. They thought it was a fan,
just a fan. Yeah, so not doesn't try to get

(32:23):
your phone number right well.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
And also it's I was just kind of thinking it's
that thing, this kind of stuff where it's like predatory
behavior and it's definitely red flags and it's the kind
of thing when you read these stories all the time,
you talk about these stories, this is the stuff that
you watch and it always leads up to a thing
that you know is coming. And it just would be
great if like the authorities would adjust to that instead

(32:48):
of it being like, sorry, we can't do anything, just like,
but this isn't normal phone calls. I mean this specific totalio.
They wouldn't be able to do anything, but it is
that kind of thing. Well, go ahead, yeah, I'll tell
you all about it about it.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
So meanwhile, the sky, Jackson scrapes together enough money to
head to the United States. The United States, with his
intent being to find Teresa Seldonna. So on March fifteenth,
nineteen eighty two, in the middle of the day, as Theresa,
she's now twenty seven years old, she leaves her West
Hollywood apartment to go to a music class, and she's
approached by a man that she doesn't know, and she's

(33:24):
already on high alert because of these phone calls. The
man politely asks her, the middle of broad fucking day
in her neighborhood, excuse me, are you Teresa Saldonna. As
soon as Theresa replies yes, Jackson immediately pulls out a
five and a half inch hunting knife and starts stabbing Teresa.
He stabs her ten times in the chest, the arms,

(33:46):
and the legs, using enough force that he bends the
blade and punctures one of her lungs. Twenty three people
witness the attack. That's how brazen it is. It's not
even like he's trying to be secretive at all, like he's.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Just out and that's not to be this person. But
in the TV movie, that's the thing that's very upsetting
that I remember the most is people are standing there screaming, yeah,
like what right, Like there's like it's it's crazy. It's
like it's just so bizarre total. It's like something that yeah,
there's no four, there's.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
No forethought to it, there's no it's like this predator
exactly how you said. So twenty three people witness, including
a passing delivery man named Jeff fenn f thenn he
hears Teresa screams, He stops his truck and runs to
her aid. He bites Jackson off and holds him until

(34:42):
the police arrive. Like what a frickin' hero. Hero, Not
that the other people aren't like we're going to do anything,
but like, you know, jumping in, it's like it's just.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's that first responder vibe of a person that you
not just anyone can do it totally just anyone and
has that. It's like we talk about flight or fight
or whatever, and that's a person who is just like
I go in when.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
It's distinctial exactly. So the paramedics take Teresa to nearby
Cedar Sinai Hospital, and by this time her heart is
actually stopped and she's rushed into the er where she
gets heart and lung surgery and twenty six pints of
blood which miraculously save her life, and she needs a
four month hospital stay in order to recover from the

(35:27):
whole ordeal, which is like, shows you how fucking detrimental
it was to her body. Yeah, four months. Meanwhile, Jackson
is convicted. I'm not going to go through the whole
fucking trial. But he's convicted of attempted murder and inflicting
great bodily injury. But he's only sentenced to twelve years
in prison, which is the maximum sentence in the early

(35:48):
eighties in California for these crimes. So while he's in prison,
Jackson continues to threaten Saldana. He sends a letter to
a Heraldo producer and details his planned quote assassinate her, saying, quote,
I am capable of alternating between sentiment and savagery, romance
and reality. So he's got he's definitely you know, evaluated psychologically,

(36:13):
and there are huge, glaring issues with his mental health.
The same month, he writes another letter saying that Saldana
telling her she's marked for death. So he's basically given
free access from the prison to continue to harass and
threaten her. Despite his vicious attack and conviction, He's still

(36:33):
able to send out these letters unchecked. By nineteen eighty nine,
just seven years into a sentence for attempted murder, Jackson's
already scheduled for parole and will be let off on
good behavior, despite the fact that he continues to send
these letters and to Teresa and other news outlets throughout
his entire sentence, and he refuses psychiatric counseling treatment while

(36:56):
in prison and confesses while incarcerating to murdering a man
during a London bank robbery two decades earlier. Apparently good
behavior includes those things, which is just so absurd, Like, say,
what it's really for is that you don't give a shit,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Well, also, just that kind of thing where this isn't
We're not talking about the average inmate here. It's a
person who like stalked and then victimized a woman and
went to jail for attack and continues to victimize a
woman and continues to promise harm to her. And and

(37:42):
how about some parole like that behavior?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
It doesn't consulting.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
The point of parole is proving you have been rehability exactly,
So I don't get how I don't get but this
is also from the eighties, right, so yes, send, there's more,
so let's get into that.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah. So Seldona, when she finds this out, is shocked
and she's sold there's nothing anyone can do about it.
That his threats are looked at as quote, just words
by the prison officials.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
But they're not just sords if he already acted on, right,
is there okay?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
And just words after you've acted on in the same
way should be a problem, you know what I mean. Well,
it's a problem not to be in jail, right, So yeah,
it's it should it should be like that. He's not
just the kind of person that's going to say stuff,
he's going to write exactly. So clearly he's not rehabilitated
in any way. So now Teresa's thirty four years old,

(38:37):
she's six months pregnant, and she fears for her life,
of course, saying, quote, this man is going to kill
me if someone doesn't help. That is the truth. She
begins advocating against his release and starts shining a light
on the fact that the system is flawed and protecting
people from violent criminals. This is further enforced by a
nineteen eighty five state law being overturned that would have

(39:00):
him incarcerated beyond his release state on a year by
year basis if the state psychiatrists thought he was still
a violent threat. And those psychiatrists came forward and said
they wholeheartedly did think he was still a violent threat,
but it didn't matter at that point because the law
was overturned and Jackson actually does end up serving additional
time After endless appeals, Saldana said, quote, and then even

(39:24):
when I got the letter about the repeal, they said
they weren't going to take the repeal as the final
thing they would be that would be appealed. But in
the last couple of weeks all we got were very
very tactic and very very specific and serious words to
the effect of prepare yourself because he's coming out on
June fifteenth, and there's nothing we can do. Eventually, the

(39:46):
court sides with Saldana, and Jackson received an additional five
years and nine months for his death threats. So finally
he gets punished and they take those fucking seriously. Yeah.
At the sentencing Superior Court, Judge James bast It tells Jackson, quote,
I find you to be an extremely dangerous person. It
is my opinion you are a danger to yourself, You

(40:07):
are a danger to Miss Saldana, and you clearly and
clearly you are a danger to everyone around you. The Durande.
Jackson says, the sentence is quote a declaration of war
to the judge. To the judge, yeah, and then dodges
like double what I just said. Please okay, yep.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, this is not a sane person and it's not
a person that's in their right mind. Now a judge's
mid is like mid literally sentence sentencing you.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, and you're just like it's on, bitch. Yeah, You're
just like, here's this gonna win this?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Guess who's gonna win this, dummy.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
In nineteen ninety six, Jackson is extradited to England for
the murder that he admitted to in prison, the Bankrupty Murder.
He's found not guilty, but he's placed in a psychiatric hospital,
where he dies in two thousand and four of heart failure. Well,
all right, so in nineteen eighty four, Teresa makes the
decision to relive her traumatic ordeal by playing herself and

(41:07):
the made for TV movie Victims for Victims, The Teresa
Saldonna story, which makes them made for TV movie as
we were talking about so real and gut wrenching and
like she fucking played herself.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Okay, I didn't remember that, Oh so so I remember
the movie. I remember that scene and so no, I'm
like that scene was so creepy or whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
It's like Cates in it because it was.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Basically like the ultimate reenactment.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I mean that is reliving her exact trauma.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Also, can I just say that I remember the commercials
for that made for TV movie, like can.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
They terrify as they?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yes, as they as they built up to that. It
was because the story was in the news and the
story was kind of like everywhere.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
That happened in eighty two and it's eighty four now,
so I'm sure, yes, just this.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
It was around all the time. And then it basically
because I know she did obviously press and stuff like that,
but it became about her going yeah, a minute, I'm
taking it back.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
This is my story.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
This happened to me, and I want and it was
just like a thing that was very consistent in that
part of my childhood. Is just like watching her be
like yeah, I'm doing I'm taking it back, Like this
enough like people need to care about victim.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
So bad ass. Yeah, that's it's incredible, and watching it
you're just like amazed by her. So the oh and
in fact, in the movie, a doctor and paramedic from
her attack played themselves as well in the emergency room scenes.
Did the that's amazing?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I love that. Yeah, I love like a detail. I
was thinking you were going to say that the delivery
man played himself.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
No, but he comes back into the story, so okay,
okay about him in a minute. Miss sel Donna said
quote working on the film released a lot of tension
for me because you want to ask the question like
did it read? Because have re traumatized you very easily?
You know, yes, So, she actually said working on the
film released a lot of tension for me. As we shot,
I felt elated and creative because she's an actress, you know.

(43:12):
I felt that I was capable of anything. How many
people are offered the opportunity to go back in time
and relive a traumatic experience but without any of the
physical or emotional pain that they felt the first time. Yeah,
it's almost like exposure therapy. I hope there was.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
I'm sure there was, but like someone on set yes,
So it wasn't just.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Like, yeah, I gotta hope we're back in five.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
You know what I mean that I that's some But
I would imagine if she's this together.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
That they probably they abandoned.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
They clearly manage it well. If that's her story.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah, we don't suggest doing this with your trauma, but
if you're in a place where you can, I mean,
then or that works for.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
You, I mean, if you could be it in a
Monday CBS Monday Night.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Of the Movies, Like back then, those base for TV
movies all had names, they had their.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Own opening graphics, and it was a thing that got
promoted all week long, like this was Appointment TV. Yeah,
one of your four choices, and they're just like, I
pick this one.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
It's on YouTube. Watch five minutes of it and you'll
know what.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
We grow up on this inspiring story.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah. So Teresa then goes on to have a steady
acting career, appearing in the nineteen eighty four Charles Bronson
film The Evil That Men Do and in guest roles
on several television series. In the early nineteen nineties, she
Land's a starring role in the television series The Commission.
Remember that as Rachel Scolly Scolly, the wife of the

(44:41):
police Commissioner Tony Scally, played by Michael Chickliss, classic actor.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
And not to be confused by Mine and Gareth b
Reynold's TV show The Commissioner, a totally different I guess
we got all about SIMI not the same.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
She Commissioner was actually a good teach.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
It was classic. My mom totally watched that. Yeah. Yeah.
She also goes on to write a memoir about her
attack called Beyond Survival, and she becomes an advocate for
others who have suffered a violent crime by founding a
support group called Victims for Victims. As a result of
Teresa's efforts and the nineteen eighty nine murder of actress
Rebecca Schaeffer by an obsessed fan, California passes the nation's

(45:26):
first anti stocking law in nineteen ninety that's I mean,
that's how long it took for anyone to fucking admit
that that's a crime. Long overdue, but you know the
first steps, that's right. Then, on September thirteenth, nineteen ninety four,
the federal law called Violence Against Women Act of nineteen

(45:46):
ninety four is signed by then President Bill Clinton. The
Act provides one point six billion dollars towards investigation and
prosecution of violent crimes against women, imposed automatic and managed
to restriction on those convicted, and allowed civil redress in
cases prosecutors chose not in which they chose not to

(46:08):
prosecute the case. So you can then be like, fuck you,
I'm taking this up higher. The Act also established the
Office of Violence Against Women within the Department of Justice,
So finally, by nineteen ninety four, it's being taken a
little more seriously. The bill was sponsored by a certain
Delaware Senator named Joseph Biden. Oh yeah, I didn't know that,

(46:32):
and gained support from a broad coalition of advacy groups.
The Act passed through both houses of the Congress with
bipartisan support and then in nineteen ninety four, although the
following year the House Republicans attempted to cut the act funding,
many of those grant programs that were authorized in the
Act have been funded by the US Congress. The Office

(46:55):
on Violence Against Women have received appropriations from Congress for
things like grants to encourage arrest and enforced protection orders,
court training and improvement grants, research on violence against Native
American Women, National Tribal sex offender Registries, stocker reduction Database,
protections and services for disabled victims, and violence on college

(47:18):
campuses grants. So they're trying to cover, you know, really
specific issues that then and of themselves are delicate and
take a lot of care and effort. But of course,
even twenty five years later, we're still a long way
from stalking victims having adequate rights and protection. So in
a January two thousand and nine National Crime Victimization Survey

(47:41):
said that during a twelve month period, and estimated fourteen
in every one thousand person's aged eighteen or older were
victims of stoking. Nearly fifty four percent of female victims
and forty one percent of male victims experienced stocking before
the age of twenty five, and an estimated five point
nine million US residents age eighteen or older experience behaviors

(48:04):
consistent with either stocking or harassment. So while the federal government,
all fifty states, the District of Columbia, and US territories
have enacted criminal laws to address stocking, the legal definition
for stocking varies across all the jurisdictions. In two thousand,
the National Center for Victims of Crime partnered with the

(48:24):
US Department of Justice Office on Violence Against Women to
create the Stocking Resource Center SRC, and that's you can
go to VictimConnect dot org and Victims of Crime dot
org to find the protection orders and national hotlines if
you need help with that. So then there's a woman
called Tamara Hill. She is a YouTube personality and she's

(48:47):
an internationally and board certified trauma therapist and licensed child
and family therapists. I would highly suggest go into her
YouTube page. That's Tamar Hill. She covers a lot of
topics including and related to stalking, trauma, and psychotherapy. So
it's YouTube dot com slash Tamra h Therapist. So if

(49:08):
you need any information or help, she's a really great resource.
Oh nice. As for Teresa Saldana, she passed away in
twenty sixteen at Cedar Sinai of pneumonia at the age
of sixty one, and the man who heroically came to
her aid the delivery man. He switched careers after the
ordeal and he became what he always wanted to be,

(49:29):
a police officer. Can you even that's crazy?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
I know, So we had that thing in him of yeah, emergency,
I go I run towards the problem.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah. Is that amazing? Yeah? All right? So then finally
I looked, of course, this story up on our Gmail
account to see if anyone had written in about it,
and there weren't a lot, surprisingly, but one Murderino named
Katie wrote in, and here's what she said. She said,
I'm writing into y'all today to tell you about an
incredible woman that I am proud to say I knew

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as a little girl growing up. When I was about
eight years old at one of the first at one
of my first ballet schools in La I met this
mother and daughter duo whom over the years we always
seem to have left and changed over to the same
ballet schools one after the other. When I first saw
and met her mother, I was instantly intrigued and thought

(50:21):
of her as such an interesting person. In character, she
was unlike anyone I had ever come across before. She
always wore very long and flowy dresses, and she also
always wore a hat that cast a shadow over her
face while you had to sort of peek under the
hat to see her face. I always remember thinking how
beautiful she was. Her garments were always in the darker
tones and hues, but the brightness of her spirit and

(50:43):
personality were always gleaming through. I cannot quite remember how
it came about that my mother revealed to me who
she was, but I'm ninety nine percent sure it was
in the car where all are serious and almost always
inappropriate for my age type conversations occurred. My mom revealed
to me that my ballet friend's mother was a pretty
famous actress in the nineteen eighties and nineties and was

(51:04):
is basically the reason why California became the first state
in the US to criminalize stocking. Wow. She could have
easily gone into retreat after such a heinous and traumatic attack,
which no one could ever fault anyone for doing, but
she didn't. She went out and used her trauma to
bring awareness to something that I was shocked to find
out wasn't always illegal. It is crazy to me that

(51:26):
before the nineteen ninety it was it was totally okay,
apparently to follow someone around because you're obsessed with them.
She experienced many health complications due to her attack, but
that too, never stopped her from continuing her acting career,
from taking her daughter to every single one of her
ballet classes and to every one of our rehearsals and
definitely never stopped her from being a loving and supportive

(51:48):
mother and friend, not only to her daughter, but to
me as well. She even nicknamed me the baby Ballerina.
She was truly a great lady, and I often think
about her and her daughter. That is the story of
Teresa Saldonna.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I love that ending like a personal I knew her.
I knew her personally like I got I got to
know her as a person that.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Her very spirit touching shown through. It wasn't that lovely email?
Thank you, Kate. That's so lovely that?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yeah, I really it's such a it's such a cool
story because the amount of strength and resilience it would take,
I mean, the just that that idea what she went
through and the stages of what she went through, because
the stalking itself is so scary, you know what I mean.
And then it's just like it's really impressive. It's just

(52:40):
always there's nothing like a survivor story because there's something
in that that it's just like, you know, the attack
is so horrible. The story, you know, the details of
what she went through after that, and then she just
continued to to to like fight back and and then
start fighting for other people. It's just like, that's like

(53:03):
an A plus survivor story. Yeah, she's kind of the
She's the og really because that's that's like one of
the first ones I ever saw, and it was to
watch a made for TV movie like that as a
like adolescent. It was really shocking and really like, wait,
this can happen totally, and then the point of the

(53:24):
story was it can happen and you can then.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Take it back.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah, and she was kind of like their front and
center to be saying that it was It's amazing, she's
that's an incredible work she did in her life.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Definitely, we all owe her a debt of gratitude and.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Then went on to be to start on a very
popular TV show. It wasn't just like, yeah, she's a
true bad ass, totally totally the commissioner for God's Sad.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I know it was only for like eight years.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah, she was like, yeah, she did it.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
She did it. Yeah, so really incredible and gives us
all hope and let's all carry some of her tenacity
in our bones. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, it's so cool.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I It made me immediately think of the Rebecca Schaeffer
story too, because he that Stocker also got her information
by hiring a private detective. Yes, it was like very common,
No big deal.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Wasn't it. Also the dm he called the DMV two Yes,
and that was that they made laws that you can't
that the DMV cannot because I could just you could
just call and be like, hey, I'm a bail bondsman
and I need the information for this person. Is this
person's yeah, address or whatever? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
It's so creepy those kinds of things where it's like
what things are set of just based on like if
it had to have happened already.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Totally, we can't do anything and tell.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
The bad head hasn't happened. It's just so backwards.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
It is so backwards.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Also, just the idea just from the beginning of that story,
it's just like this was a person who had real
mental disorder, yes, and and the the idea that it
was just like and then his choice to never address it,
to never get help.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yes, to never his actions and to you.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Know, feel almost entitled to be able to act that
way is really It's that in and of itself was
really something because it's like so many things could be
solved if people could just instead of being like you know,
what I'm going to do is violence where it's like
all right, or you could talk to someone, you could
maybe see if you could get on a pill that

(55:35):
would make you stop wanting, like you know anyway, you know,
I'm a dreamer.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
The idea that people would just go to therapy and
work on their ship. I mean, if only, if only,
if only, well, should we do some fucking hurry, let's
do it? All right? You want to go ahead? Okay?
This is from alien Ned a L I a n
Ned from Instagram. My fucking array is a small victory.

(56:06):
I had the overwhelming desire what could the name be?
Like Aileen? Aileen duh alien alien Ned a l a
ali and Ned. It's alien Ned and there's a couple

(56:26):
in the photo. This is alien Ned. What's up? It's
just like the game Concentration it is.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I'm so bad, amazing, Good job sounded it out, you
stuck with it.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Great job, Thank you? Okay my.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Aliens from alien Ned alien Ned alien My fucking array
is a small victory.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I had the overwhelming desire to cancel my virtual theory
therapy appointment, so that I could have avoid working on
myself and maybe take a three hour depression map instead.
Been there, I've not been doing so well lately. I
fought the impulse to avoid and ignore, which is the
loudest voice in my depression, and attended my session. I'm
glad I did because fuck you, depress. I needed it

(57:16):
and I am worth it. Congratulations Ali and or Ned.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
That is actually humongous, and that's the kind of thing
and I yes, we've all been there for sure. But
the more you fight that impulse, and I'm saying this
as a person who often does not, but like fighting
that impulse and doing what do they call like opposite behavior? Yeah,

(57:47):
and like doing the thing you don't want to do,
which is like the stronger choice.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yeah, is the key to life. Just little tiny improvements like.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
That get you everywhere in this world.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
So true, I needed.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Alien Ned, I'm.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Proud of you. Keep it up with.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Okay, So this says this is mea Jacobson twenty one.
My fucking horay is that this year I'm graduating college.
I got into my dream school and I'm oh sorry,
I got into my dream vet school and I'm celebrating
my three year remission from cancer. I was diagnosed freshman
year of college, went through surgery in six months of chemotherapy,

(58:30):
and then went back to school as soon as I could. Whoa,
I'm blown away. Although the trauma of having cancer as
a young adult is something I constantly have to work through,
I'm so proud that I've been able to accomplish so
much over the past few years. Thank you for always
being there and talking so openly about dealing with trauma.
I can't wait to listen to you as I walked

(58:51):
to my vet school classes in the fall.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Fucking hoorray, congratulations on all.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Couldn't get through school with every goddamn advantage And like
the idea that they went through school, yeah and got cancer,
recovered from cancer, went into remission, and then went back

(59:21):
to see as.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Soon as possible. I would have made I would use
it as an excuse to not but that's built in. Yeah,
not an excuse I mean rightfully so.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Well as a reason, but I would have used it
as an excuse. So just like, hey, can you bring
me some?

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Just milking it for years afterwards. Okay, this is from
m This is from Underscore Cube on Instagram. Got a
fucking array for y'all. You all, I put the yall in.
I spent seven years in a quote stable career after
college that had to your impacts on my mental health.

(01:00:02):
I stayed because I thought that's what I needed to do,
but I felt trapped, miserable, and unqualified to do anything else.
Last year I read SSDGM, and with a lot of
inspiration from You Find Ladies and encouragement from a few
best friends, I quit that job, went back to school,
and today, less than a year later, all caps, I
got hired as a graphic designer. Nice. I've never been

(01:00:26):
this proud of myself or cried happy tears until I
called my mom to tell her I did it. So
fucking hooray. I'm a badass who's taking what she wants
in this shit show world. Fucking HOORRAYA a year if
that's incredible, Like you could be a year away from
your dream job if you just decide what you want

(01:00:46):
to do in this year. This next year is the
deciding factor between right now and three hundred and sixty
five days from now. Yeah, yeah me too, Hey, me too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I just realized, Hey, also, graphic designers, I think all
the coolest jobs there is. It's the coolest. It's very
cool you get to be an artist. But you also
it's straight up business, like people need you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, it's art, it's business, it's scientific in a lot
of ways.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
It's like, it's the coolest. That's that's very cool job. Congratulations,
you did good work. You did your work. Yes, okay,
this is from four and six be mod. That's not
really foreign bonds foreign six b mod sounded out. I'm
trying to like, this is like a driver's license plate,

(01:01:37):
a license plate game foreign six b mod.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
No. I had a big fucking uray today.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I volunteered at my state's first mass vaccination clinic. It
was the first time in over a year that I
felt that joyful energy you can only get from being
in a crowd of people that are experiencing true happiness,
like a concert, but with needles and allergy observations. I
even had a gentleman tell me he loved me in

(01:02:09):
that way that seems so genuine, recognizing a moment of
lovely connection with a stranger, and it's just about the
humanity of it all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
My EmPATH self soaked it all up. It was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
It was a beautiful break from COVID anxiety and depression.
We managed over five hundred vaccinations per hour and over
twelve thousand vaccination in three days. I can't wait to
help with the next one. Let's get those shots in arms.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
That's amazing, I got it still, that's so great. But
also that reminds me Kurt Browneller has been posting on
Instagram this. So it's called get out the Shot, LA,
and I'm sure it happens in other towns as well,
where if you volunteer to work you know, eight hours
or however long at a backation location, you're eligible for

(01:03:02):
the shot as well. Yeah, you get it right, they
give it so automatically. Yeah, this one's gootsla dot org.
But look up your town and see if there's something similar,
because that could be really great for people who need
it but aren't on the immediate list, and a really
cool way to like volunteer. Okay, this is my last one.
It's from Jordan dot Motsinger. I think I got that right.

(01:03:24):
My fucking hera is finally able to be shared. I've
waited so long to be able to say that. After
a long, indescribably emotional journey, we brought home our adopted
baby two weeks ago. Well, we never want to see
a family broken up, especially if an expectant mother would
be able to parent with ample support and resources. We

(01:03:44):
pray to be able to stand in a space where
we were needed. We prayed to be able to stand
in a space where we were needed and join arms
with an expectant mother to love, support and serve her.
Our son's birth mother is a beautiful, compassionate, outrageously strong woman,
and we love her endlessly. Our family has not only
grown by adding our son, but also by adding his biofamily.

(01:04:07):
If you read this on the pod, please share that
the adoption community needs ethical advocates for all members of
the triad, not just adoptive families and children, but also
the birth mothers and fathers. We named our son Merit
because it means worthy, and he is all that and more.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Congratulations beautiful. I mean, it's a lovely message. Yeah, it's yeah,
But at the same time, it's also just like you
have a little family that's so lovely, a big an
exciting thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
A big growing family that's lovely.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yeah, all right, here's my last one. It says fucking hooray.
It's never too late to advocate for yourself. And this
is from Tizzy. It says, I've always had issues with reading, writing, spelling,
and math. As I progressed through school, I hid my
struggles because I didn't want others to think that I
wasn't capable or stereotype me as quote another child of

(01:05:02):
color who couldn't read. I started to figure out little
shortcuts to get by, but my studies eventually outpaced my
ability to adapt. I did research some years ago and
talk to some of my friends that specialized in dyslexia.
I seem to have an unofficial answer, but that wasn't
satisfying enough. It wasn't until recently that I was able

(01:05:23):
to afford a proper evaluation. And then in parentheses, it
says side note they are expensive, an average of two
thousand dollars, which raises questions of equity among other things.
But I digress very true and parentheses come to find
out I don't have dyslexia, but a visual processing disorder. Basically,

(01:05:44):
my brain has trouble processing input from my eyes, which
causes my brain to flip and mirror letters, move the
words on the page, make solving mouth equations. Difficult and
can even affect depth perception. My brain will also skip
lines and omit words or notes altogether when reading books
and sheet music. At twenty nine years old and one

(01:06:06):
point five semesters into a PhD program from music education,
I finally have an answer and we'll get the academic
accommodations that I need. Oh, stay sexy and never stop
advocating for yourself, Sephira.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
And then it says it's Jewish. Lol, Oh not to cry,
and now I'm laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Oh my gosh, the fucking greatest way. First of all,
with all of that, you're still a PhD program. Yeah,
like all of all of that problems, Like, clearly they
adapted well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Enough to get themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
You're brilliantly far in life.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
You're brilliant. And then the American school system's way of
teaching and way of how you have to learn doesn't
work for everyone. So you're still incredibly smart and you're
you're around it's like probably makes you way more intelligent
than just you know. It's such a good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Point of like that kind of testing should be available
to all children, not just rich kids, because kids should
know if you're having problems reading or if you're having
problems in school. Yeah, it could very possibly could not
be your fault totally, not about your concentration or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Like, yeah you're stupid or something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Oh my, well, stupid, which is a self esteem thing,
or it turns into like a behavioral issue because yeah,
you know, like there's all kinds of ways that goes
wrong where it's like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Well, I say stupid in that When I was a kid,
I had some learning issues too, and I just thought
I was stupid because it didn't fit. Everyone else could
understand the basic way, right, So it made me think
I was stupid and I didn't try. It's a scary feeling. Yeah,
so here amazing and that she's twenty nine. It's like
it's never, it's never.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
It's never too late to stop advocating.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Amazing you guys. Send in your fucking rays on Instagram,
on Twitter, there's a fan cult forum where you can
put it in. You can email it to us. I
think social media and fan cult's best, but also respond
to each other and congratulate everyone for their fucking badassory.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
And I mean there's great stuff, great stuff going on
out there. Oh mention this because I just remembered it
right now. It happened. It happened almost like more.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Over a week ago. But you know, there's this uptick in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Racially motivated attacks on Asian people these days, and it's
in the news. It's happening a lot. It's very disturbing.
It's really upsetting. And someone they reached out on Twitter,
see if it's going to find the name for us,
and said that there were Asian people that were in

(01:08:58):
New York City who were talking about being worried about
walking around like that. It was that worrisome on a
uh like on a Murderino forum somewhere, and all these
murderinos started volunteering to walk people where they needed to go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
I mean, that's awful that it has to happen that way,
but that's but credible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
So someone like the first one I saw because they
included like a picture in their post that they sent
to me, And the first one was like somebody saying,
I'm a martial arts instructor, I'll walk you anywhere you
need to go.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Yes. The person who tweeted it at us was at
Jeane Kim with with.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Three ends Gene Kim and can you see that first one?
Can you see the name of the I think they
said they were a martial arts instructor or something along
those lines. It's in her, it's in the picture of
the thing she posted that she was looking at like
the forum in that Oh okay, yeah, I just want
to give that personal credit. But apparently there were there

(01:09:59):
were I think she's says in the tweet, right, Steven,
that there's like fifty people or sixty people that offered
to walk any occasion that felt forty eight people Murderinos
offered to walk any Asian person who felt unsafe being
by themselves on the street.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Where it's like, this is the best thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
And I just wrote back, I love this and it
doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Yeah, it's awful, but we but Murderinos, once again, are
the best fucking people. Yeah, just uh, we got we've
all got to unite.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
Yeah, we got to unite against that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
That's not cool. Fuck. Yeah, all right, that was a
great episode. Yeah, that's fun. Good job, good time, Good
job all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Good job to Georgia for handling the story this week. You.
Good job to all of us for being here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Karen with her, and for thanks for listening. You guys,
are the best, as I just said, you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Are, really I think you're you personally are among our
top ten favorite pasteners? Then yes, and you know you're
Oh me, no, not you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
I don't get murdered. Good bye, bye Elvis. Do you
want a cookie?