317 - Hello and Welcome to Disgraceland

On today's episode, Karen and Georgia welcome Jake Brennan, host of the podcast Disgraceland, to tell his hometown story. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's Georgia Hartstar, that's Karen Kilgarriff.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
And I'm Jake Brennan and this is Disgraceland.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yes, yes, we failed it. We've done the crossover.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I think you guys nailed it. I think I fucked
it up. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
No, it was, it was perfect, it was great.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Okay, now let's take it again and this time with
more energy and less energy.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Less energy on certain words.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
You'll know you guys did an audio book where you
did it? Did you have did somebody produce you guys
doing it? Or did you produce yourself?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (00:56):
No, right right, same here. And I find I found.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
It to be high annoying, Like I was driving me
crazy with people telling me how to talk into a microphone.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
But oh my god, they didn't tell us how to talk.
I mean, thankfully.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I think because we're pot I would assume, because you're
a podcaster, you wouldn't need that much like no.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
No, yeah, you do it a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I know. One would think one would think did you
get notes?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Like can you do it again with more whatever?

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Yeah, literally, like I had an engineer in the booth,
like I got really fed up really quickly, and he
got he got he got my note put.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
It that way back off, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
I got very passive aggressive about it and it ended
up working out okay.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
But it was like I was like, what the hell?

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Why? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Like, no, I feel like it being you being a
podcaster and you having written the book.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's not like it's some other authors. Like when we
did our audio.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Book, people are like, are you going to do the
audio and it's like, well, yeah, that's what audio.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Is are thing.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I would love it to be Julia Roberts because I
fucking hate my voice, but you.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
Have a great voice. Although I'll read your next book.
I'll go on record perfect.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well let's switch it up.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, let's do it. You can read mind, there we go.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
How about you write our next book? And if we
write your next book.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
That would be hysterical.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Actually that you just volunteered for way harder homework. Yeah,
oh my gosh, research. I don't need to do research.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
So much research? How much you do so much research?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Like that's your Yeah you did a homework podcast like us.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
Someone asked me the other day, whose English is this?
Dad is at my son's birthday party in this dad
he's Greek and English is his second language, and he
was like, how much homework do you have to do?
Like you literally didn't say research, he said homework. But
it's it's a lot. I've got it down to a
system now. It's like basically a week of research to

(02:53):
spend a week writing an episode.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Wow, it used to be a lot more.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
And do you have researchers or any support.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Not for Disgraceland, I have worked in a couple other
writers here and there, But then for our other shows,
we have a bunch of writers and we have one
full time researcher on staff my dad. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
He gave me the love of reading, and now we
pay him to read. So it's all worked out. But

(03:21):
for me, I like to if it's something that I'm
writing directly, I want to be able to research it
because it just gives me the right point of view,
you know, definitely right.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
And it's something you're already interested in, so it's not.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
You probably read that book or you already know the
story a little bit right totally.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
That's I feel like that was the sort of unknown
leg up that I had in the beginning this advantage
that it's this subject matter that I've just spent my
whole life immersed in music and music history, and I
don't need to do a lot of Like like if
I was doing a podcast on politics or something, I'd
probably have to do a lot more research just to
get a base level of information. But with music, I'm

(03:56):
pretty well schooled already, so it's it's a lot easier.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah. I love that.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I feel like the same way where it's like, I'm
obsessed with true crime, so doing the research is just
me reading a ton of articles or books about it.
Karen and I are already fascinated with it, so it's
easy for me.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
It's just like, oh, I actually remembered that completely wrong.
Most of the time when I'm reading, I'm like, remember
that crazy story where this and that, and then i'm
reading it, I'm like, I don't know where I got
half of that story. Yeah, thank god, I'm doing this
actual research.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Yeah, although I'm old enough now where I've heard stories
that I feel like have been erased from the Internet
that I think are true, you know what I mean,
But they're just like I've gone back to look for them.
I'm like, I know, I read this somewhere reputable thirty
years ago or something, and like now I can't find
it anywhere.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Do you think, like Mick Jaggers, people have scrubbed it
out or is it that kind of situation perhaps?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah for SUREO.

Speaker 4 (04:48):
Scrub from the Internet is Jake Brennan's next podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, the research on that is so hard.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
You don't have to go to the microfish every single
time in the basement of the library.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
You're screwed.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yes, yeah, God, imagine how hard would it be for
us to do our shows, just do this, just create
this content in another era, in a pre internet era. Yeah,
it would be imp I mean, I don't know that
it would be impossible. We probably find a way to
make it work in that world. But now it's like,
I mean, I'm writing on my phone constantly researching.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
The efficiency is like crazy. So like whenever I'm.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Bemoaning the era we live in and all the annoying
things about technology, I try to remember how much easier
it makes things.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh yeah, you know what I think is wild?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
That, Like I'm always like talking to my inner child, right,
So sometimes I'll go.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Back and be like, what if I could tell my
childhood self.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
I couldn't tell her what she's going to be when
she grows up because it doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
And it doesn't make sense. What am I going to be?
I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, did you do the thing, the thing with the
guidance counselor where they give you a test and they
tell you what you're going to be when.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
You grow up? Did they do that?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
What was your God do you remember?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
I'm sure said something like communications, which I took as like, oh,
this is a good sign. But I knew what the
hell else was it going to be because I can't
do math and I'm you know, not really apt with
anything else. But I do feel like it was something
where I was like, ah, yes, another sign that I
should do stand up comedy. Yeah, I'm just like it's
not though.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I feel like that the options in were so limited,
Like I didn't know you could go to school to
be a chef. Like I knew that I could have
gone to school to be a chef, you know, or like,
you know, even like a hairdresser, if that would have
been so exciting, like something you're actually interested in, rather
than yeah, communications, what did you get?

Speaker 5 (06:40):
I literally got a blank stare, and it was like,
we don't know what you're going to be, but you're
going to work for yourself, Like that's that's race. And
at the time I took that as like I'm going
to be like a psychopath and be in jail.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Like I didn't.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
I didn't know that was a thing you could work
for yourself, you know what I mean? I thought, yeah,
you know, the options were like you can go work
in construction, or you can be a cop, or you
can be a teacher. And then that was pretty much
my world perview at that point in junior high, and
I didn't think there were other options.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, yeah, how are we supposed to choose even at eighteen,
Like you're just going to choose like you have kids
or whatever they want to be right now? What if
they had to stick to that?

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Great, because you usually base it on like the friends
you're with.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Right right when you're seventeen, you know nothing. I think
I knew nothing when I was seventeen.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
No one knows anything nothing. Your brain isn't fully formed
to tell you're like out of college, right.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I feel like college should happen when you're like thirty
to thirty five.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, yes, and.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
You're actually interested in, like, oh, I should be improving
myself in some way, right, let me actually try at this.
Whereas yeah, I felt forced. It felt like an extension
of high school and all I wanted to do. I
just was so excited to be like on my own
that I was always just like cutting clubs, like oh,
oh my god, there's a campus burger king. I'm going

(08:02):
over there, Like oh my god, I can drink beer
right now, no one will know and I won't get
in trouble.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Like just hedonistic insanity.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, when did you How old were you when you
realized you really wanted to be a stand up comic?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I mean pretty young.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
They started putting stand up on TV all the time
in like the early eighties, so it became this kind
of thing that like was one of the very overt choices.
And luckily in San Francisco, Alex Bennett hosted. It was
on PBS. It was a stand up show, so it
was local stand up comics in San Francisco doing sets.
So it was like it felt so close. It wasn't

(08:38):
like Hollywood, you know. It was like you could drive
over the bridge and see these people and they were
hilarious and amazing. So it felt like it was kind
of being served up all the time. So I think
from a young age.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Jake, when did you do your first When were you
in your first band?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Like legit band?

Speaker 5 (08:54):
My first legit band was I was like nineteen, I
think when I joined, So I was already out of
high school and I was in college, and they were
older kids.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
They were kind of like local, like in the hardcore scene.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
They were like, you know, they were kind of like stars,
you know what I mean, in our little area. So
it was intimidating and and I tried out and I
got in the band, and then like we played our
first show and then our second show was immediately booked,
and it just kind of like just started going and going,
and I was like whoa, okay, And I wasn't even
really sure I wanted to be in that band, you know,

(09:29):
but it was such an opportunity and it turned out
to be great and a lot of fun and very like,
you know, probably the most formative years of my life.
And then it's like, oh, yeah, I want to be
a musician, And like, what a tremendously complicated decision that
is for somebody to make it nineteen years old, to
try and figure out the rest of their life.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
What did you play?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I sang?

Speaker 5 (09:50):
I was the front man, and then I ended up
playing guitar and other bands after that and singing and
what was the band?

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Come on? Can we find them?

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Or is there?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Have you scrapped them from the internet?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
No? No, oh, they're not scrubb You can find them
on Spotify. That band was.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
We ended up signing to Victory Records, which is still
a big hardcore label, and that band was called Cast
Iron Hike, And then I did like a solo thing
after that, and then I was in this other thing
called Bodega Girls, which had a thing going on for
a bit. And it was these periods of like I
really know what I want to do, and then long
periods of like am I getting anywhere?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Am I doing anything at all?

Speaker 5 (10:25):
And then of course you're on track, you think again,
and then the summation of all that. By the time
I met my wife in my mid thirties, I was like,
what the fuck have I done with my You know
what is happening? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, Cause she was like private school, private high school,
New England, high school, then goes to music school like
then grad school, like she was on a track, you
know what I mean, And I was not, and I
was really fighting above my weight class. When it came
to like getting together with my wife, she like overshot.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
I'll tell her that, good job, good job.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
But anyways, now I look back at it and I
realize everything I did, all of it, every stupid decision
I made, every like ten hour van ride I was
in to go play a show to four people, every
dumb book I read, and shitty album I list I
wasted money on that I no longer listened to.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
All of it contributed to what I do now.

Speaker 5 (11:21):
And I didn't know it then, but I know it
now and I'm so grateful and I wouldn't change a thing.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
It's like you can't know it then you're not supposed
to know it. Then I feel bad for kids these
days because they have social media to all get on
there and be like I don't know what to do,
or they feel like they're comparing themselves to people who
are really fake, or it's they're telling like kind of
a story, you know, that whole like I'm a millionaire
and I'm twenty one or whatever. It's like, that's bullshit.

(11:48):
It's not real. You're supposed to go and be lost
and not know and be bummed out and then because of.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
That do something about it.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Right.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yes, you're not supposed to be comfortable the whole time,
and you're not supposed to be happy the whole time.
You're supposed to like get knocked around a little bit
so that you can land and then look back and
be like fucking thank god.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, yeah, I get to like build resilience. Doesn't just
happen for real. Yeah, but I love that what you're saying,
because I feel like we were similar in that way
of like all the true crime creepy shit we watched that,
everyone talked shit like what is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Stuff?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Who the fuck knew it would be our careers?

Speaker 4 (12:27):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, it's like, well, you were practicing how to be
in front of the microphone.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Right, Yeah, and you too, Karen.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
It's yeah, yeah, well it's like all the times that
you know, like slumber parties, where it's like I can't
stop talking because that's actually my anxiety response unlike other people's.
And then it's like being able to whisper in a
twelve year old me's ear of like, you're gonna make
money from being a crazy, weird show off. Don't worry this,

(12:56):
it's gonna pay off being kind of a freak like this.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's inspiring, it is.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I wonder if it is you know, in reading your
book too, like the thing that that hit me and
I know this had something to do with with the
success of that you guys have. It's this the era
in which we were raised or not raised, you know

(13:23):
what I mean. You know, like I'm eleven years older
than my wife, and it's like her parents they're not
necessarily like my my parents are. Really my mom's was
a young mom and her mom was a little older,
so they're almost the same age, but her her stepdad,
is the same difference in age for me that I
am with my wife, just in the other directions. So

(13:43):
she she was raised and almost like with this under
this different generation of kind of the first generation of
you know, millennials, where it's like we're to the parents credit.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
It's like, we're gonna do.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
This right, We're gonna like we're gonna parent, We're gonna
actually pay attention to our kids.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
It's you know what I mean and imagine.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I mean, I feel like we wouldn't have had a
lot of fun that we had. However, I wouldn't need
as much therapy.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Right, they were right to make the change.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Oh was that a slam? Is that just a light
slam from Dick Brennan?

Speaker 5 (14:20):
No, not at all. Jesse can't blame her. We can't
blame our parents for everything, you know, yes, we can't. Kidding,
I've a toned. I told you I already hired my father.
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I know.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I love that. Does that inform how you raise your kids? Too?
Are they? I bet they're the cool kids.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
I think they're cool. You know, Yeah, they're definitely cooler
than I am. But you know, I know I'm doing
it wrong in some way, you know, like I feel
like my parents did it wrong. I kind of feel
like if you asked my wife, she'd probably say her
parents did it wrong. And if you ask my kids,
they're definitely going to say we did it wrong. Like
we haven't hacked this parenting thing. It's like it's been

(15:00):
either like no attention, too much attention. Whatever the hell
I'm doing now, which I don't even know what it is.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
It's real back and forth like it's hot and cold.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yeah it's I mean, no, I love my kids, and
you know, I built this studio so that I you know,
right next to my house, so that I could be
around them as much as possible and not have to
take two hours out of my day to work. You know,
like all of its intentional. But at the end of
the day, is it Is it going to help them
in the end? I really hope so, But who the
hell knows?

Speaker 3 (15:30):
You know?

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah? True?

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Because your dad was in a band, right, so rad
and it's a band that opened for the Ramone So
not just like a dad band just kicking around at
like the Mexican restaurant down the street of like a band. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well and you were at that show, right I was.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yeah, my dad was and is just some extented he's
older now obviously, but my whole life a professional working musician,
like very blue collar.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
He was signed to CBS Records when I was really young,
and then he was later signed to Atlantic Records with
another band. But the Ramones thing happened when he was
working with at Stasium, who was the producer who produced
Ramones Records, and they did a show together and it
was at this period you know now, I know I
didn't know then. It was at this period in the
Ramones career in the early eighties when they weren't really

(16:18):
doing much, you know what I mean. And they played
this like real divy place in Rhode Island that my
dad's band opened up for. And I remember my dad's
whose credit was like, you know, made sure I came
to the show. We didn't live together, so it was
a big thing. My dad would drive out, get me
an hour away, bring me to another state, blah blah blah.
And you know, I remember him telling me the importance
of the band, you know, being like, there is an

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important band. They're not your ordinary band. I didn't know anything.
I was like, well, what are they like? He's like,
you know, I was into the Beach Boys, I guess
at the time. Baba Rand was like I couldn't stop
listening to that song. But he's like, they're like the
Beach Boys, but just really really loud and sure enough
to my like ten year old self or whatever I was,
you know, that's what they were.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
But I got to be like I was like backstage
and it was like super.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Grimy punk rock, you know, like it was not you know,
when I started seeing movie like biopics, music biopicks later,
I was like, that's not what I met, you.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Like, so I already kind of had this thing in
my head that like, maybe we're not getting the real story,
you know.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
And then I was in bands and I.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
Start to I you know, when you're in a band
and you're on the road, especially in the pre internet days,
you hear all these stories. And there were stories that
my I would hear from my dad or my dad's
bandmates and about other bands and other musicians that are
just crazy stories that lo and behold, most of which
turned out to be true. So you know, by the

(17:46):
time I'm in a band, I can't shut up about
this shit, you know what I mean. And I'm like,
did you know Jerry Lewis killed his wife? And my
bandmates are like, shut the fuck up, we don't care.
We've heard the story a million times, and then it
you know, it ends up being a podcast.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
Hell yeah, we just told the perfect origin story. Yeah,
I think this is actually how it came to be.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Karen wrote some questions before this, which I really appreciate,
and there was one on there that I was like, Oh,
I want to hear that, and now I can't fucking
find it.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Hold up one second, I.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
Didn't know how this is supposed to work. Should I
have had questions as well? Because I can just riff
and come up with something.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Oh my god, please don't ask us anything.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
How dare you? You know we wrote you some questions
to ask us?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Nice?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Oh? The question was.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Something along the lines Karen of like, is there is
there anything you want to cover?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Because, like Karen and I, there's certain.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
True crime stories we will never ever cover because they're
horrendous or you know.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Just we Yeah, we can't.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, we can't talk about them the way we talk
about most things, right, or we wouldn't want to. Yeah,
you know, it would just kind of shut it down
a little bit for us.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
So, were there any any musicians or any like stories
you want to cover that just like legally or whatever
reason you can't cover?

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Yeah, well I'll answer. I'll give you two answers. On
the legal side. There was an artist, total fucking loser.
Big artists, but a wicked loser. Okay, that's all I'm
gonna say. I'm not gonna say, not gonna name any
of his songs. Okay, he was just a he was

(19:25):
just a loser, okay. And and and but he had
a lot of other loser friends that were part of
this big, big, big, big big. Some would call it
a church, other people might call it a cult. Anyways,
I was gonna do a story on this loser. It
was gonna be the it's gonna be the third or
fourth episode of disgrace Man. And before Disgraceland came out,

(19:47):
I wasn't. I was just like, I'm doing this thing,
you know. And I like, I made a website and
I put what the subjects were gonna be. And then
the first few episodes hit and and I got all
this press like out of nowhere and like real like
magazines or editorials online, and that loser's uh loser lawyer

(20:08):
from the loser cult got in touch with me. It
was like before you even yeah did Yeah, it was
like it was like two days before, and I was like, yeah,
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
I'm not going in on this headache. So so that
didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
It just was they really did that.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
If the podcast ended, if disgracelund ended up being just
the thing that no one knew about you know what
I mean, Like it wouldn't have mattered. But at that point,
really quickly people did know, and you know, and I remember,
like I had one friend who's like, oh, you're fucking solo.
I was like, fuck you man, like like you go
turn yeah, just like you know you're in your ear.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Giving you a ship.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
I'm from Boston, New England, like everyone gets everyone ship.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
That's how we bought, you know. But it just wasn't
worth the headache. But then the other the other.

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Side of it is there's I don't like to tell
stories that involve abuse with children because it's really sad
and upsetting, engross and honestly, who wants to listen to that.
I don't want to listen to it. I don't want
to my head and that, And there's a lot of
that in the music business, as we know. I try
to stay away from it as much as possible. It

(21:17):
creeps in every now and then because you have to
acknowledge it sometimes with some artists, even if you're telling
a different story. So I stayed away from the R
Kelly and the Michael Jackson things. Yeah, however, I'm going
in it's time.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I feel like I can tell the story.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
I'm good enough at what I do now that I
can tell the story in a way that isn't going
to be disgusting, that can still be respectful and still
to the victims and still tell the story. I feel
like I know I have enough confidence to do it now,
But as a rule I try.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
To stay away from. That's the type of stuff I
try to stay away from.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
And also those r Kelly victims have had their say now,
which and you know that documentary was done.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
So well right that that.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yeah, sometimes it's good to follow that stuff where you're like,
well here's you know, here's how I would do it,
but they get to say it first.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yeah, totally Yeah, good point.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
How do you like come to terms with Here's an example,
John Lennon and people who you respect and love musically,
but like kind of our pieces of shit in real life.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
It's it's kind of every single episode, it's.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Like you know what I mean, It's like it's like
every single episode almost. I mean, there's you know, I'm
writing about Robert Johnson now, the old blues guy who's like,
you know, lauded in just these glowing books.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
And scholarly novel, not all this whole thing.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
And it's like, when you really read about what the
dude was getting up to was not good.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
You know.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
And yeah, but he was like twenty five, twenty six
years old. I'm not excusing it. I'm just saying, like,
you know, I mean, he wasn't like killing people. And
with John Lennon, it's like John Lennon was a really
complicated guy. And I try to without making excuses for
these artists. I try to be objective and empathetic and

(23:13):
take into account everything that's going on, Like we don't
know what it's like to be the biggest pop star
on the planet, you know. With Taylor Swift, people criticize
Taylor Swift like it's a fucking job. No one has
any idea what it's like to be Taylor Swift except
Taylor Swift. And the fact that she's managed, whether you
love her or hater, managed to get her career to
the point where it's at without losing her mind.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Is it's an achievement, you know.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
So I try to not lose sight of that, and
I think, honestly, I think that's why people relate to
Disgraceland because of that nuance and there's not a lot
of nuance anymore.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
It's either everything.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Our whole discourse has devolved into I'm right, you're fucking evil.
It doesn't matter what the subject matter is, that's what
it is. And disgraceland is not that I love it.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
Well, it's also what I really like is kind of
like the journey of fame and like it's hard for
us to understand people that have never stood in front
of a football field arena full of people and rocked
them and had every single person be like screaming or whatever. Look,
our live shows are great, but it's not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Soccer field. She's my favorite murder. Just Griceland are going on.
We're going on tour, We're going to rock the world.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
But you know when you see those like live at
Wembley Concerts and it's just like all the arms going
like this and it's eighty thousand people or whatever, it's like, right,
you don't walk off stage from that and go like, well,
I got to turn in early because I need to
take care of myself. Like you know that what happens
after that is a world full of people going whatever

(24:52):
you want, and like we none of us would know
what we.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Would do if that was our world. George and I
are like, yeah, fucking Mac and cheek. Is it twelve
thirty at night or whatever.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's like, that's our groupie, our groupie, Mac and cheese.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
You're eating the shit out of that Mac and cheese
with like.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Oh it's happening, snorty and offid dresser.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
But there is a thing, you know, you get off
stage and there's a chemical thing where you have all
this adrenaline and you can't just shut down, you can't
shut it off. And that's like when you introduce drugs
into that as well, and then trying to just calibrate
your life as a functioning member of society. I mean

(25:32):
it's it's unlike anything civilians have to go through at all.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, drugs, groupies, Yeah, the fun stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
You made a good point too, that it's like with
like Oasis or someone like that, Like they were nineteen
years old and they became in you know, huge stars,
all of them, Beetles everyone. Yeah, I mean, as we said,
seventeen year olds are stupid.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Nineteen year olds aren't that much smarter, no, you know.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
Yeah, George Harrison quit the Beetles when he was twenty seven,
twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Shit, I mean, just come on, what the fuck? He'd
had enough?

Speaker 5 (26:09):
You know, I have my head so far up my
own asci at twenty seven years old, never mind being
in the beetles.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
That's crazy, right, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I was his data entry and it was and I
was going crazy, you know, wild and out and stuff. Oh,
should we pivot to what we heard from you? Is
an amazing hometown story.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Let's pivot.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
I didn't mean to say we heard from you, meaning
like we don't know if it's good, but you keep
saying it is.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
Well, that's not what I meant. Yeah, this, I have
to say. The celebrity hometown thing made me think like, oh,
what's going on in my hometown? And then when I
thought about it for a minute, I was like, holy shit,
I had a laundry list. I was like I could
talk about five different things here, you know what I mean,

(26:58):
what's your hometown? Clinton in Massachusetts?

Speaker 3 (27:01):
And I'm the way.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
There's only one way to tell the story, and this
is with me in it because I'm part of this
crimeah kind of.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
First person person hometown. I know, when's the last time
that's happened?

Speaker 5 (27:15):
I gotta be careful. So what are the statute of
limitations to set the stage. So, so, Clinton, mass is
where I grew up. It's like forty miles west of Boston.
Small town, beautiful town. But if you've ever seen a
or here's a here's a fun factor it it's in

(27:35):
the Guinness Book of World Records my town in nineteen
seventy seven for the most bars per square mile.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Swear the guy.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Oh, okay, okay, so it all yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
Coincidentally, you can't walk ten feet without passing a funeral parlor,
so there's lots of funeral parlors, lots of bars.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
If you've ever seen a Boston gangster movie or whatever
about like South Boston, like Southey, which we all have,
it's Clinton's like the sort of like small town version
of Southee.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
It's not in the city. It's a mill town.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
It's a beautiful New England town, but it's got kind
of like a creepy element to it.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
And to prove that, the Stephen King series Castle a
Castle Rock, which was that was filmed in in Clinton
the first season.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Tim, did you guys see it? Did you see that?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
So where Tim Robbins Works. That's the street I grew
up on.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
That street, like where the whole finale takes place is
literally the exact spot I got drunk for the first
time in my life.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
At trans Track.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
They're filming they're filming the new Stephen king Salem's lot
there right now, so and I think one of the
American horror which I've never seen was was filmed there too,
So it's like it's got like these old Victorians.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
It looks really cool.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
So just just to give you a couple small bites
that the true crime thing here, one true crime, one
myth thing. So when I was in elementary school, they
found this girl's body about two houses down for mine,
completely just savagely murdered. And I know the family, so
I don't really want to go into that, but it

(29:20):
was like I wonder now, like things happen to you
when you're younger and you just take them for granted,
and then you start to think about them as an adult.
You're like, what if any effect did that have on me?
I don't think it had much, but it did happen.
And there was out on the town line next to
the town next door, there was this place called Blood Forest,

(29:40):
and it was founded by this guy in the forties
named Arthur Blood. And there was all these like stories
about kids who died there, and literally I saw this.
This is the God's honest truth. There's something biological that
is going on with the pond in the middle of
blood Forest and on a full moon. I swear to God,
anyone in Clinton the is this will know I'm telling

(30:00):
the truth. And I know you guys have listeners in Clinton.
When the moon falls down on the on the pond,
it's red. And when the moon when the moon is
full and there's something in like at the bottom of
the pond that makes it look like blood. So blood Forest.
But that's not true crime.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
What you can't have it.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
You can't name a place blood Forest and think everything's
going to be fine, Like.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
What the fuck?

Speaker 4 (30:22):
What is like? What's what's crazy is it's after a
guy's name, right, So that would have just as easily
been like brown Forest.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Right, that's really creepy. That's so crazy. I believe it
was Arthur, Arthur Blood, I think that was the name.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
While that's in a book, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, exactly, it's it a Stephen King book. So yeah,
but not true. Crime and there so the true crime one.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
So this is this cartel thing, okay, this crazy drug
cartel story with a missing kid. So, like you guys,
we kind of hit on this earlier. I was a
juvenile delinquent as a child, total total latch key kid
like you guys, left to my own devices. By the
time I got into high school, you know, it was
less of a juvenile the linkuent, and more of just

(31:07):
like a stoner high school kid, like all I wanted
to do, Like my main motivation in life was to
just smoke pot with my friends and listen to music
and talk about music and play music.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
And have a good time. I mean it is pretty great.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, how things changed, right, everyone's goal.

Speaker 5 (31:25):
So I'm saying this for the reason that pot was
really important to us.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Okay, if we didn't have pot, there was a problem.
And we used to buy weed at mister Donut.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Mister Donut was like an off brand dunkin Donuts.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yes, yes, okay, oh my god, I love it.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Clinton has since graduated. We now have a dunkin Donuts.
So but all right, Peter, mister Donut, So we used
to go in and you could buy I think it
was like you know, give me one jelly and it
was like an eighth weed.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Two jellies and.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
You get you'd get a quarter ound and you would
get the donuts in the back. Right then this summer,
I think it was the summer. I thought it was
the summer of my going into my sophomore year.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
But I wait, I'm sorry, I hate to interrupt you,
but did you get the donuts and the pot?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
I would hope to God, yeah, yeah, yeah, because they
like yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
So they sit again in there. But you still got
the donuts. So when you went and got high, you
would have donuts after Yes?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Was it some teenager?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Like was it one guy when he was working you
could go in or was it just like mister donut?

Speaker 5 (32:28):
That was one guy operation one guy And I so
want to say his name, but I can't.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I can't say his name. You should get the credit.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah, one guy who had this connection and got it.
We didn't know who the connection was, you know what
I mean, But we knew there was a connection obviously.
Then all of a sudden, in this one summer, there's
no weed at all, like none nothing. No one in
town has grass, and it's a problem, like no one

(32:56):
at mister donut, no one anywhere, And we start to
hear these rumors, is that the main guy got busted,
the main connection, right, and this guy is like, we
just know him as the connect, like I said, like,
we don't know anything about him. But then things start
to start to creep out, these other, these other rumors
about this dude. Turns out he's not just here everyday

(33:16):
ordinary drug dealer. He's like Colombian cartel connected drug dealer
who lives in the town.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Next to ours, and everything is.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
Moving in off the islands of Massachusetts, coming up on
boats from South America, and he's bringing it in and
we're like the first town on the fucking the drug route.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yes you get you don't get stems and seeds, he
gets a good freshist weed buds of all time.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
Well, I got to say, we were like high school
low kids on the tonem Pole, so we got crap
all the time.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Wasn't this not I remember eighties weed? It was like,
well not for me, it was nineties, but stems and seeds.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
Yeah, yeah, So this was this was ninety I thought
it was. I thought it might have been earlier. Was
ninety I looked this up? So in this summer drought.
We called it the drought. These weird, these weird things,
always the storyteller. I guess these weird things start happening.
The first thing that happens is my friend's dad, who
I don't want to give too many details here because

(34:13):
the guy's people people know him. I will just say
he was a man's man, like six ' five, badass dude,
had a badass job in a position of authority. No
one fucked with this guy, And all of a sudden,
one night he's walking out of a bar, a.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Van pulls up.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
He gets abducted, hood over the head, pulled into the car,
beat to a pulp bound and thrown in the bottom
of a ditch.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
And no one did shit about it. No one did anything. Yeah,
so it was some I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Was he killed?

Speaker 3 (34:43):
He was not killed.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
He lived, which holy made it even weirder because it's
this thing that no one talks about, like still, you know,
And I don't blame him.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I wuldn't want to talk.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
About either, but the point is, like, if they're not
talking about it, there's a reason.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
It's because somebody doesn't I want them to be talking
about it.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Okay, Yeah, So that happens, the drought happens, the abduction happens.
Then this kid from the next town over, who we
knew is a local drug dealer.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
High school kid goes missing. This kid Richie Tunnel.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
And all the rumors start he was dealing for the
main guy. He said something. He's dead, he killed him
and he's rich. He's buried out behind the Fung Wong restaurant.
Like this whole fun Wong was like the tiniest restaurant
in town, and now it's like scary, you know what
I mean. Yeah, we're like, oh shit, all right. So

(35:37):
around the same time this summer, this guy comes into town.
This guy already okay, he's older, he's in his thirties.
He's hanging out with like high school kids, hitting on
our girlfriends, driving our cars. Yeah, I mean, Georgia. This
is like the guy your parents warned you about, you
know what I mean, Like literally from Central Casting Tattoos Viney.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I remember there'd be the thirty year old with the
kid with the and they'd just be like, oh, that's Danny.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
It's like it was fine.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Looking back, it's like, why is a third year old
hanging out yeah and buying a spear.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, buying a spear. Buying a spear. Well, well this
is Danny our Danny LARTI.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
We we didn't mind because he, all of a sudden
was the only guy with pot.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
So it was like, oh, okay, cool, like you're cargo.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, Alardy, look at this artiful Corolla.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Get in here, this corolla. You drove a Ugo. Come on,
Geo met Geo Metro.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
It's purple.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
Oh yeah, I'm thinking of cars now I'm losing my
train to thought. Anyways, Artie, we all started hanging out
with already. God knows why, because he's got pot and
he's buying a spear, I guess.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
So.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Like I said, I was a latch key kid and
my parents left me alone during the day and I.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Had full rain. I never went to school. I skip
as much school as possible. I stayed home.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
I read books, I listened to music, but at night
they had me under lock and key.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
My mom, like I said, was young.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
She had met when she was eighteen, so she she
knew all the fucking stupid stuff I was getting up to.
It would would not when she was around. She wouldn't
let me out. I couldn't go out on school nights.
So I don't know how this happened, but it was
a school night. I must have got in a fight
with my mom or something and just like split. But
I was at this party, an apartment party. I'm fifteen, Okay,

(37:30):
I'm at some random adults apartment on like a Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
My skin is crawling. I smell it, I can see it.
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
It's gross.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
A lot of brown A lot of browns and discernible
like greens.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
You can't really tell which is which, you.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Know, Yeah, yeah, bong water was spilled.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Yeah, it's like, exactly, you gotta be careful which bottle
you drink out of?

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Bad lighting. My cigarette cigarette in the rolling Rock bottle. Yet,
let us seely down.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
No, you shouldn't be there exactly. So I'm at this
party and there's I'm with a couple of my friends,
but it's largely an adult party and it's already how
we got in there, I'm sure of it.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
But there's also these other grown ups.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
I don't know who the hell they are, and they're
like rough looking dudes. It's like a weird vibe. And
the eleven I'll never forget the eleven o'clock news comes on. Okay,
on a Wednesday, I'm guessing, or Thursday, the eleven o'clock
news comes on, and everything gets like really serious all
of a sudden, and everyone's watching the television one television,

(38:40):
and there's a new a newscast on this prison break
at this local prison nearby, not in our town, but
close by.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
And I realize the.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
Dudes I'm in the room with are watching themselves on
television on the news of the prison break.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Oh my god. They were having a prison break party
and you got invited?

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you like?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Their photos come up and you like look to the
right and looked at.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
The lad like I honestly I want to say yes,
But I honestly do not know what the connection was
that I made.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
But I knew, man, I knew, and it clicked with
already the whole.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Thing, and I was like I was. I just like
skulked out of there and I and I went home.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
And you know, kissed your mother.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
I said, I say, please, mommy.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
But that guy, that guy disappeared right after that never
came back, no one, Yeah, I already disappeared. I never
I never fucked with those people again. In any meaningful way.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
And you know, going into.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
My junior year, you know, I was thinking about this
because of getting ready to tell you guys this story.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
I was thinking about this.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
I think that event had this transform effect on me
where I just was like, is this the path I'm
gonna go down hanging out with fucking losers and end
up like in jail or whatever. But so, you know,
junior senior year when I went back to school, Junior
year and then senior year, those are the only two
years I ever applied myself in school to get to

(40:18):
college and to get out of town. And so it
worked out all right for Richie Tuttle, the kid who
went missing, did not work out right. They they ended
the drug kingpin guy. They caught one of his associates.
He flipped ratted out the kingpin, and they ended up
pulling Richie Tuttle out of a pond in the next
town over about five years later.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, it was, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
So he was just a teenage drug dealer who got
caught up. Yeah, Oh man, it's so crazy that you
think about those things where it's like, how upsetting is
it that the decisions you make as a you know,
teenager can affect your whole life that much.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, that kid maybe just wanted to like he didn't
want to get an after school job. Maybe some like
you had a cousin that did it. That's always how
that shit happens, as like someone's older brother does it,
so he's like, this is something I can do, it's
no big deal, and then.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Suddenly they're caught up in a fucking cartel.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Yeah, that's horrible. It's crazy. It is horrible. I pray
my kids never hear this podcast.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Because I feel like I did a fair share of
glorifying my juvenile delinquency here.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
But no, you made it clear that you know steely
Steely Dan and all of that will get you caught.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Up, and Steely Dan's never a good idea.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Steely Dane will drive you down a bad road.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
But this is the full circle thing of like that
you have to kind of go through some shit and
you have to see what your choice is and maybe
even the results of those choices could possibly be to
go is quote unquote being cool with this quote unquote
cool group of people really where I want to go
in my heart because or like because yeah, you don't

(42:03):
like you're doing we all do at that age especially,
but kind of all our lives, we do what's kind
of around us and what, you know, we think we're
supposed to do and what we think other people would
think is cool. But yeah, that's a great I mean,
but also the idea that you're kind of like fifteen,
trying to blend in and then you realize there's like
escape hardened criminals all around you.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Yeah, I was with a couple of my friends. I
don't want to cut them out of the story here.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
I don't I want to go to Bouck. I don't
want to go back to Clinton and get beat up.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
No, I think that's your story. Jack, What the fuck
I invited you to that fucking party.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, Artie was my friend. Actually, I just remembered our
arty was named Shaky. Oh so I don't even know
this guy's.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Name, and he could have been a serial killer.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
And I was like the girlfriend that they were he
was trying to date.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
You know that you mentioned like.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I was thirteen and Shaky was driving us around, buying
us here.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah, you never brought Shaky home to mom.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
My mom would have the lip even as blatch Key
doesn't isn't around.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
She would have been like, you can't hang out with adults. Yes,
for real, I'd be like, Mom, you're so uncool.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Shakey's awesome, shake is awesome.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Don't pick me unpopular, mom. Yeah, oh that was it.
I mean that was a chef's kiss.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Of a hometown.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I have to tell you. I mean you're a great
storyteller anyway.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
But yeah, twisty turney and little things here and there.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
That was also.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
That's from a movie seeing like a look a prison
break and then the party gets quiet.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Quiet, I'm on the news TV.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
I circle up the music. Oh shit, Wow, hats off
to Clinton Massachusetts.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Clinton, Massachusetts, you guys should come and play. They got
a big old theater, jam it out. They have a
soccer stadium, you.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Know, first night of our soccer stadium.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Poor, Yeah, first and it will be a little good
one off.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Do you ever do live shows?

Speaker 3 (44:10):
I did. I did. I tried it out. They were great.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
I sold out all of I did three of them,
one in Colorado, one in Boston, one in San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
They were all awesome. I loved it nice.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
When I was doing it, I loved it, But then
everything around it I did not love. And it just
reminded me of being in a band again and being
being away from my kids I didn't like. So I'm
a creative person obviously at heart, and I can get
my complete creative phil doing what I do with the podcast.
Not to say I won't do it here and there again,
I definitely will, but not to the extent that you

(44:43):
guys are doing it.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
That's a whole other thing.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Yeah, it turns out I didn't know this when we started.
It turns out touring is hard, Yes, Karen knew. Yeah,
I'm calloused over to it.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
And George's like, this is stressing me out, and I'm like,
I don't know, I don't feel anything anymore.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
So I don't have I don't have one friend left
in a band who enjoys it.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
If they if they if they act like they are, like.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
They're lying, because I hear them.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
It's a young it's a young man's game for sure,
and it traps you too.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Like I have this theory that like the old musicians
like Dylan, these guys who are like still touring constantly,
that they're doing it because they think now it's all
they can do and if they stop, they will die.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
And I think there's some truth in that. Yes, you
can get trapped in it.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I saw one of Tom Petty's last concerts and I
was like.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
What are they doing?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Go home?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, past your bedtime.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
But it's all they've ever done, especially Tom Petty. Oh yeah, wait,
Tom Petty, you just did a perfect Seguey. That's right,
Tom Petty is in the news? Is season nine of Disgraceland.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Yes, Tom Petty, Taylor Swift, Juice World, George Harrison, The
Eagles two part around the Eagles just us too much cocaine.
You couldn't fit it all into one episode.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
So much cocaine you talked so fast for both of
those episodes, side through it and then smoke three cigarettes.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
In the middle of like f two.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
I'm pitching my screenplay to some random dude.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Opening your restaurant called mister Donut.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Hear me out, You get donuts and you get weed.
He used to be illegal, it's not anymore.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Let's do this thing.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
What Sam some seats here we go.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
You know, you're saying all this, we're making fun of
coke heads, and I'm like deep into Seinfeld right now,
like not like watch this on Netflix. So I'm working
my way again through the whole season as far as
instead of the syndicated ones, and like, basically I think
I think Kramer is just like a coke head character, right, He's.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Always coaching these random ideas he has. He's got way
too much energy, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, yeah, I could totally see that very true.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
So, yeah, Disgraceland, Uh, you can get Tom Petty, George
Harrison all. You know, we had tons of episodes Cardi
b Grateful Dead, Rolling Stones, all available for free, Amazon
dot Com, Slash Disgraceland.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Amazing, and you have like you have multiple spinoffs of
the podcast too, which is so rad.

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Yeah, we have another show called bad Lands, which season
three launched today, and that's kind of like the catch
all for other disgraceful stories that.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Aren't just music.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
So we've done two seasons on Hollywood, one from the
World of Sports. This is our second season on Hollywood
right now. We launched with an episode today on Heath
Ledger and it's me doing the same dog and Pony show.
I do a Disgraceland just with different subject matter.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I feel like you're not just going You're not gonna
have a lot of material for the sports one for
people behaving badly.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
No, no, very polite young men.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
And they keep it they keep it real cloky usually, yeah, exact,
they keep it tight.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
The role models are supposed to.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I think Karen and I both understand how hard it
is to do a music podcast because you can't put
any fucking.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Music in it.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
So the fact that you score it all yourself, I
feel like, is the workaround. But we've been pitched music
podcasts before for the network and it's like, well, we can't.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, I can't do that. You'll get sued right multiple times.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Right, come to us, come to Double Elvis. Our company
will collab. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Yeah,
all we do is music podcasts, except the two sports
and Hollywood ones I just mentioned.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
But yeah, being a musician has helped. And in the
beginning I scored everything.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
I score it now myself, but I have other musicians
who work with me, and that way we can do
things fast and quick and honestly like that's part of
the most fun part of it for me is being
able to fuck with the music while it still makes
me feel like I'm a half assed musician, which.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
Is yeah, well because you can. I mean, that's the
thing is like, put it all out there. It's your
podcast and that's how you started. So like it makes
perfect sense. It's like, yeah, I'm talking, I'm writing, I'm
writing this music. Get a load of me, Jake.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
It's a one man band with a fifteen full time
staff employees around it.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Right, it's a small, small, little industry.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Well, it's great to see you again. It's been so long.
Thank you so much for doing this with us, Thank.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
You for having me. I really had fun.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
I'm so stoked we got to do this and I
can't wait to see you guys in person again, hopefully
sometime soon.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Galli. Yeah, totally amazing. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
All Right, stay sexy and don't get murdered.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
La amazing first, amazing.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Day.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
That was so great.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Thanks, thank you so much, Thank you. All right, we'll
see you around guys. Thanks bye, bye, okay.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Bye Elvis.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
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Speaker 1 (49:39):
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Our producers Alejandra Keek. This episode was engineered and mixed
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Speaker 3 (50:04):
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