March 29, 2021 • 26 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guys. Today is the season three premiere of tenfold More Wicked,
and we're sharing the new season trailer at the end
of this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The podcast was recently included in Newsweek's Top True Crime
Podcasts and Most Gripping True Crime podcast of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Written researched and hosted by Kate Winkler Dawson, Season three
of Tenfold More Wicked is called Murder in the Court.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's a historical true crime story about a fractured family
in nineteen thirties Texas.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
On one night in April of nineteen thirty five, revered
Associate Supreme Court Justice William Pearson and his wife Lena.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Were murdered, and the suspect shocked everyone with a controversial
defense that still angers people today.
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Check out the season three premiere of tenfold More Wicked
available now.
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And tune in every Monday to see how it all unfolds.
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check out season one, called All That Is Wicked and
season two called The Body Snatcher.
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Until then there's exclusive content like the mini minisode Hey
Oh Grandday copyright trademark. All right, here's the first email
and the subject line is home fire. Hello all, y'all,
Are you still interested in home fire stories? If so,
then I have one for you. I'm from a northern
Canadian town and I lived with my husband and three
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young kids on a hobby farm in the country. On
days with a lot of snow, the kids would stay
home as it was too dangerous for the bus to
transport them to town from school. One such snow day,
headed out to the barn to do chores and thought
I would quickly grab the cold coals from our fireplace
and take them outside to dispose of them. In parentheses,
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you see where this is headed. I grabbed a stray
cardboard box parentheses, Yes, I said, cardboard. Now you really
know where this is headed. I shoveled out the fireplace
into the box and tossed it out back to grab
on my way to the barn. Feeling confident that all
the coals were cold and there was so much snow
to damp the potential fire, that I went in, got
on all my warm gear and told the kids where
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I was headed. I believe they were in middle school
at the time, so well equipped to look after themselves.
I went out to the barn in and did my
chores and turned to come back and notice a big
black cloud of smoke coming from the house, specifically the
deck by the back door of my house. I ran
to find my deck on fire, to the point of
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coals rolling from the hole it had created towards the
wooden wall of my house.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I ripped the door open and screamed at my kids
to quote all caps, bring me water. The deck is
on fire. I began shoveling snow on it, and it hissed,
but it hissed at me but kept smoldering. The boys
came out with two glasses of water, and my middle
guy said I came out with water to put it
up before but Sheldon, and then in parentheses, my oldest
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child said, you must be doing something. So we went
out to play our game.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Sorry we went So we went back in to play
our game.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh my god, teenage boys.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Oh Sheldon and his little brother. Oh, I love that show.
I don't know if I should be proud that they
think I'm quirky enough to be creating some kind of
fiery project on the deck, and that they would leave
me at my quote unquote art or alarmed that they
think I'm capable of lighting the house on fire while
they are in it and just walk away. Regardless, They've
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made it to adulthood and the big black hole on
our deck was a good story for many years. Stay sexy,
and don't put coals even if you think they're cold
in cardboard box. Ooh, no name.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Oh that is a good cautionary tale because I feel like,
really people underestimate the power, the burning power of.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Coal, of coal. This episode is brought to you by
the coal industry, by the burning power of coal.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Wow. What is a hobby farm?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
A that's just when you raise animals but till they die,
or just for fun. So you're not competing at the fair,
You're not selling off your stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No one gets eaten at Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
All right, unless they're very bad?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Okay, gunshot wound, butt injury? National park?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yes, thank you? What is my ideal birthday party? Hey?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Hi, Hello, I'm a park ranger from one of the
country's most visited national parks. I know I should stay
out of the forest, but too late Yellowstone. As part
of the park's Search and rescue team, I go out
on calls to help people who have been injured. Typically
these are broken or twisted ankles, altitude sickness, and other
somewhat boring ailments. Last summer, we got a call that
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was definitely more exciting. Two gunshots were reported near the
park's most popular destination and Alpine Lake, about two miles
up trail. As I'm gearing up and our team is
gathering to head out to the call, the story develops.
Every detail is more strange than the last. Here's the scoop.
These are the emails we live.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
For National Park scoops.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's right on the next A man in his late
sixties decided to carry a firearm for the first time
in his life while in the park with his daughter
and young grandchildren for quote wildlife safety purposes. I understand
the concern about wildlife encounters, especially for folks who are
not used to this environment. He had nothing to worry about, though,
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as he was in the most populated part of the
entire park and would be more likely to come upon
teenage skinny dippers or a group of Christian campers playing
their music way too loud than bears or cougars.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Blow him out of the water. Either way, blow him away.
Naked Christians, get those Christian guitar playing hippies and blow
them out of the water.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Grandpa, Well, at the lake, his old timey revolver got
caught on something inside his fanny pack, fired and shot
him in the backside of his upper thigh.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Sir, you said, old time revolver, old timey revolver.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
That's the guy. He just guy decided to bring with
him like.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
An old colt forty five. Ye down at the Oh shoot,
so he shot himself in the butt.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
She says. Let's just call it what it is, a
gun shot wound in the butt. An FBI agent just
so happened to be off duty at the lake with
his own family, and when he tried to confiscate and
unload the gun, he shot another round off into the lake.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh my god, Grandpa, how old was this gun? Civil War?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I don't know, but this is why. Once law enforcement
rangers entered the scene and determined it was not in
fact an active crime scene, we were able to rescue
the injured man. We bandaged him up, put him on
our mountain adapted stretcher and rolled him on down the hill.
So I know, nauseous stomach down, yeah, down the hill. Na,
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I'd love to see them just like push him?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Who like a slug down there?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yep, nauseous and drugged up. He asked our lead why
he was hearing quote so many female voices. Well, you
have a lot of female rangers helping take care of
you today, to which he responded, I know a lot
of guys who shoot themselves in the ast on purpose,
just to be carried down a mountain by some beautiful women. Yes,
(08:43):
it's fun to know that, even with a bullet inside
their bodies and the knowledge that they could have accidentally
shot their seven year old grandchild, old white men still
have the capacity to make a pass at you while
you're sweaty, frustrated, and carrying their body down a mountain.
I found out a week later that this man's butt
shot was somewhat of a blessing in disguise. Through his
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hospital visit and testing, he discovered he has cancer and
is now able to seek treatment. Oh my god, turns
out shooting himself and the ass might have saved his life. Yes,
stay sexy and don't carry your gun. In a fanny pack.
Say it with us everyone A she her, Oh my god,
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twist and turns. How old was that gun?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I need to know? You know, he bought it at
like some kind of a weird exhibition where it has
a pearl handle, and they told him that like they
told him that uh has General Custer. Billy the kid's
brother lent it to him.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I just see him with two gun and new chan
shooting in the fucking what was his name in the
cartoon then semity fucking samon it up. Oh I wonder
if it was Yosemite. I mean that's what he thought
it'd be the perfect.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Oh, Grandpa, I guess I'll just bring my gun camping
with my family. That's right, mund off a bear, you know,
in case a bear comes, this guy, just stay out
of the forest. If anyone, this guy needs to stay
away from everybody. Okay, let's see the subject line of
this is sleepy English village, murders, hauntings, and a highway woman. Yes,
(10:25):
a special hello to Frank. My dog is also called Frank,
but he is an asshole mins too. He was just
laying here licking the carpet. Ran lock him. Oh Frankie.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Happy happy.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Look, he's like, I can smell something. It's a latte,
frank okay. I grew up in a traditional little English
village called Wheatthampstead. I bet you that's not.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
How it'stead witham said.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Sleep in Hertfordshire Weathamstead. Oh sorry, no, in Herfordshire wheathamsteadam's weam.
Wheathamstead is the epitome of a typical idyllic village. So
obviously we have a long history of murders. In the
seventeenth century, there was a spate of highway robberies on
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Farers Lane, a street named after the rich aristocratic family
that owned most of the parish. At this point in time,
highwaymen were not uncommon. However, during one raid, the highwayman
was mortally wounded, and upon checking the body, they found
it was not a highwayman, but in fact a highway woman.
The woman was later identified as Lady Catherine Ferrers, the
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only child in sole heir to the Ferrer's fortune. Catherine
was raised as a lady, but by age fourteen she
had been orphaned and married off to a man who
took control of her entire estate. Her husband wasted no
time in selling off her family's assets. To build back
her dwindling wealth, she took to the Knight and became
the infamous Highwayman Wow slash Woman, where she ultimately met
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her demise. She was later nicknamed the Wicked Lady and
is said to haunt the area surrounding Ferrer's Lane called
the Devil's Dyke. Now this is where it gets creepy.
In nineteen fifty seven, a local girl was abducted and murdered.
Nineteen fifty seven, a local girl was abducted and murdered
on her way home from a dance hall, and her
frozen body was found a months later in the Devil's Diyke.
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Police concluded that she must have been kept in a
chess freezer and the case was coined the Deep Freeze Murder.
Only a handful of people at the time actually owned
chess freezers, so it should have been easy enough to
identify the killer. However, the murder remains a cold case
to this day. In nineteen seventy seven, the body of
Janie Shepherd, and Australian heiress, was also found in the
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Devil's Dike. The case was later linked to the Beast
of Shepherd's Bush. In two thousand and nine, a suitcase
containing a human arm was found by a dog walker
on the common. It was discuss that a man named
the Jigsaw Killer murdered his landlord, forty nine year old
Jeffrey Howe, and Scott scattered his body parts around Hertfordshire
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and Leicestershire. The killer is now serving thirty six years
and sadly these are not the only cases of bodies
being found on Farar's Lane, but that doesn't stop it
from still being used as a popular location for dog walking,
cycle rides and cricket matches.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Thank god. If you like this, I know, right ideal
like murder.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
If you like this little collection of sleepy English village murders,
thanks for all you do.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
E love the love, the idyllic setting. I mean, this
is like your favorite TV show essentially.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And you know what would been amazing it was a
British It's the amalgamation of all my favorite TV shows
because it starts in the long ago village era, the
seventeen hundreds village era, and it moves all the way
through and it's like layers of is it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The same guy as a crime empire? It could be
like it could be like a fantasy thing.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It could be bad forest spirits, eternal evil that lives
in a certain area of the forest that's been unlocked,
that that plays upon the idyllicness of the the shire.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
What about a generation of like the grandpa was the
great grandpa the grandpa and then current day and needs
to stop with this line.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
They're so greedy that they no longer want for money
because they have all the money now they.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Want you and whatever what if? Like they test the
DNA from the seventeen hundreds ones and realize that Matt
the Killers DNA matches the Killers from because they're I
want to stick with the Grandpa thing.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You You seem to really like the Dracula style. It
feels like a vampire or a like you eternal being
kind of vibe. I do yeah, I do too, I
do too. I don't mind it at all. The occult
is always very interesting because then it's that thing of like, well,
this could never happen in our town. It must be
a gateway to hell, right right, that's underneath the richest town, instead.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Of the realistic thing, like we want to pretend it's
more sinister than just plain old terrible, right, Hello people
and pets. If there's anything to be thankful for in
the shithole of COVID, it's that my dad finally got
enough whiskey in him to give me the details on
his connection to our hometown murder, well, our hometown apprehension.
(15:27):
I grew up at a small farm town outside Sacramento,
and yes, I can confirm that Sack is just as
shitty as Karen describes.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
A town that's home to an elementary school, two churches, and,
for no logical reason, a nudist colony.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
What uh huh it must be near the river.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, right, the town that's home to an elementary school
already fucking said that. The colony over enthusiastically named Laguna
del Soul sits at the end of a country road
just about a mile or so away from where I
grew up. Back in nineteen ninety one, I was at
the ripe old age of six, and my dad was
working as a realtor his office as secretary. A lovely
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woman in her late sixties was a permanent resident of
the nudist colony, a life decision she decided to share
with everyone she worked with A perfect visual One day,
her and a couple of her friends were lounging by
the pool when her friends realized the guy at the
other end of the pool looked a little familiar. Where
had they seen that face? And hopefully it was only
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the face they recognized before. It was the guy from
a recent bowlow aka be on the Lookout that had
been blasted out across California. The one and only Carrie Stainer.
Oh no, the piece of shit, the piece of shit
Yosemite hiker. Done that. We've covered that before. If you
want to look for it, it's fuaked up.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
That's her early days.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, As a story goes, they realized who he was,
likely shit their non existent pants, and then called cops.
Good play on words there. As they waited for the
cops to come, they got a little worried Stayner might
realize what was happening and try to leave. I can't
imagine three nudists sprinting away from the pool was very discreet,
So they figured out what car was Stainer's and then
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parked their car directly behind it to block him in.
At the end of the day, Stayner didn't try to
leave and was arrested inside the nudist colony in an
oddly calm manner. So that's the story of how Carrie
Stainer was arrested down the street from my childhood home,
and it only took twenty one years for my dad
to clue me in on the details. Here's the obligatory
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and well deserved shout out thank you to you, ladies.
I've been working full time and going to law school
at night for the past three years and you have
no idea the sense of sanity that you've provided. One
more year of school and then I hope to be
advocating for victims' rights, inspired every day by ladies like you.
Stay sexy and don't get naked with serial killers. Jenna, Wow,
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chisty tourney. That was a good one, and it involved
a national park again.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That's right, that's the theme I seem to remember, because
I'm pretty sure I'm the one that did the carry
Stainers story, and I remember that being the ending, and
that he stood out at that if I'm remembering correctly,
he stood out at that nudist colony because it was
mostly like retirees and older people. It wasn't that the
thing where the older nudists were kind of freaked out
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by him.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I somehow didn't remember that there was a nudist colony involved,
but she must you would have covered it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I think I did, but now I have it truly
was a full five years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I love naked sixty year old woman. Nudist colony saves
the fucking day, heroic, badassory with no tan lines. That's
the key.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
She is everyone's hero.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I feel like, if I didn't have to look at
other naked people, I would be a nudist. So maybe
I'd just like to be naked alone with Vince.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I think that's what there. Your
house is for it, it can be anudice.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
My house is a nudist colony.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah. I think a lot of people's houses are. They
just don't discuss it them. It's when you it's no, no, no,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I meant like, it's when you feel the need to
play volleyball all the time. What is the fucking thing?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I think that's an old bit. I think you're more
of an exhibitionist than a nudist at that point.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, or maybe you have like a really intense case
of body horror where you're like, you know what I
need to do? Jump up and down. That's what's going
to really do it for me. Freedom. The subject line
of my next one is the Lion, the Witch and
the medicine Cabinet to Hell is no longer a thing.
Oh high MFM. After Karen's story this week, which was
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the Ruthie Mae McCoy story of somebody coming through her
bathroom mirror, I thought you might be concerned that architects
are still designing bathrooms with medicine cabinet murder portals in them.
So I wanted to alay some of your concerns. This
situation is no long We are permitted by code for
a few reasons. There is no code section on candyman,
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so they're all boring reasons that sound like sound transmission
and stuff. Now that you're a fire safety podcast, you
may be happy. Why that is some sweet, sweet sarcasm
right there, Yes, sir, Now that you're a fire safety podcast,
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you may be happy to know that one of the
reasons have to do with preventing the spread of fires.
Walls between apartment units are required by code to have
a fire resistance rating of at least one hour. There
are ways to maintain that fire rating around a recessed
medicine cabinet, but all of those ways would result in
a tight seal that would not allow your neighbor to
simply take out the cabinet and hop through. The code
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also requires that certain acoustic standards are met by the
walls separating apartment units, and specifically requires that the openings
for recessed cabinets are sealed, lined, and or insulated to
maintain in the sound transmission class of the wall. There
is the Fair Housing Act, which requires that all apartments
in buildings that have four or more units meet certain
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baseline accessibility requirements. Medicine cabinets over sinks are not prohibited
by the terms of the Fair Housing Act, but are
not typically considered all that accessible to people who use
wheelchairs or people of short stature because most of the
shelves within them would be out of reach, and placing
the cabinet low enough to be useful as a mirror
could create a clash between the cabinet door and the
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sink faucet. All this complication and inconvenience of putting a
medicine cabinet over a sink in a wall between two
apartment units means that you will almost never see it
done in new apartment buildings anymore. If there is a
medicine cabinet at all, it's often to the side of
the sink in the wall that does not separate apartments.
If despite all this, there is a medicine cabinet in
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the wall between one unit and another, it would have
to be fully sealed to prevent the passage of fire, smoke,
and sound. Obviously, as TikTok has reminded us, there are
plenty of buildings that were built long before some or
all of these things became requirements, but at least newer
buildings do not have this issue. This concludes my lecture
on medicine cabinets. Please feel free to promptly forget everything
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I just said, stay sexy, and don't drink the liquid
and bottles you find on construction sites, because it's never not.
Oh Maria, learning so.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Much from Maria.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Maria had a lot of really good structural engineering information
to share.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Maria fire safety, start your own, Maria teaches YouTube and
teach us. Oh everything you know that was great.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It actually does quell that fear though that that could
happen again. It's like all the things that came together
to make that possible, and we're gone.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
For me as someone who enjoys a good close up
glance in the mirror while I wash my hands, and
I now appreciate why sometimes the medicine cabinet isn't over
the sink and can understand. I'm like, and I feel
okay about it now I can come to terms with it.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It seems only fair because it has to be reachable. Yeah,
and you've got to be able to swing around and
get that one like whisker on your chin that you
can feel it, not see.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And what better time than doing a thorough hand washing,
which we're all doing these days. I hope.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Not anymore, not anymore. It's over, And thanks everybody that
wrote in this week, all these so there was so
much information, there was so much a forestry, There was laughter,
and there was poignance, and.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
There were naked people playing volleyball as usual.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So I think we've done it. We've done it all.
So now all there is left is for you to
stay sex and don't get murdered.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Go bye, Elvis.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Do you want a cookie?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
The story had everything except sex. You had family problems,
you had mental illness, you had violence, you have all
of the politics.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, the host of tenfold More Wicked
on Exactly Right, and our third season is set in
my home state of Texas. It's a wild story about
a prominent family ripped apart and a killer that might
have gotten away with murder.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It was a memorable story. You don't have an associate
justice being murdered very often.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
This season is about a titan in Texas politics in
the nineteen thirties who was murdered one night along with
his wife.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
He comes across as a pretty caring, nice man, which
I'd like to believe that he.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Was very respected politically influential.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
It's about a killer with a grudge and some serious
problems that were never treated.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
He had these resentments which were understandable, but I also
think he had voice is telling him that he should
do something about them. That just doesn't sound like something
that would happen as an accident. What it sounds like
is a failed suicide attemper.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
It's about how we treat people with mental illness and
the justice system in America.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Most people would agree that yes, mental illness is in
fact an illness and people shouldn't be held accountable for
something that they didn't have control over. Unless you're the
victim of that crime, then obviously you feel very differently.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I didn't really like know that I had been stabbed.
I just realized I couldn't move my hand and I
saw blood. You just want them to feel the pain
that you felt.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It's about family secrets.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
My grandfather was the town angel and the home devil.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
And most importantly, this season is about why these murders happened.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
The question is at what point is delusion profound enough
for you to be forgiven for murder.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I'm Kate Winkler Dawson and this is three of Tenfold
More Wicked, a podcast about a fractured family in nineteen
thirties Texas. Season three of Tenfold More Wicked is now
available on Exactly Right. Subscribe now on Stitcher, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you like to listen.
Guys. Today is the season three premiere of tenfold More Wicked,
and we're sharing the new season trailer at the end
of this episode.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The podcast was recently included in Newsweek's Top True Crime
Podcasts and Most Gripping True Crime podcast of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Written researched and hosted by Kate Winkler Dawson, Season three
of Tenfold More Wicked is called Murder in the Court.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
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defense that still angers people today.
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Oh Grandday copyright trademark. All right, here's the first email
and the subject line is home fire. Hello all, y'all,
Are you still interested in home fire stories? If so,
then I have one for you. I'm from a northern
Canadian town and I lived with my husband and three
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young kids on a hobby farm in the country. On
days with a lot of snow, the kids would stay
home as it was too dangerous for the bus to
transport them to town from school. One such snow day,
headed out to the barn to do chores and thought
I would quickly grab the cold coals from our fireplace
and take them outside to dispose of them. In parentheses,
(03:09):
you see where this is headed. I grabbed a stray
cardboard box parentheses, Yes, I said, cardboard. Now you really
know where this is headed. I shoveled out the fireplace
into the box and tossed it out back to grab
on my way to the barn. Feeling confident that all
the coals were cold and there was so much snow
to damp the potential fire, that I went in, got
on all my warm gear and told the kids where
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I was headed. I believe they were in middle school
at the time, so well equipped to look after themselves.
I went out to the barn in and did my
chores and turned to come back and notice a big
black cloud of smoke coming from the house, specifically the
deck by the back door of my house. I ran
to find my deck on fire, to the point of
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coals rolling from the hole it had created towards the
wooden wall of my house.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I ripped the door open and screamed at my kids
to quote all caps, bring me water. The deck is
on fire. I began shoveling snow on it, and it hissed,
but it hissed at me but kept smoldering. The boys
came out with two glasses of water, and my middle
guy said I came out with water to put it
up before but Sheldon, and then in parentheses, my oldest
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child said, you must be doing something. So we went
out to play our game.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Sorry we went So we went back in to play
our game.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Oh my god, teenage boys.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Oh Sheldon and his little brother. Oh, I love that show.
I don't know if I should be proud that they
think I'm quirky enough to be creating some kind of
fiery project on the deck, and that they would leave
me at my quote unquote art or alarmed that they
think I'm capable of lighting the house on fire while
they are in it and just walk away. Regardless, They've
(04:51):
made it to adulthood and the big black hole on
our deck was a good story for many years. Stay sexy,
and don't put coals even if you think they're cold
in cardboard box. Ooh, no name.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Oh that is a good cautionary tale because I feel like,
really people underestimate the power, the burning power of.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Coal, of coal. This episode is brought to you by
the coal industry, by the burning power of coal.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Wow. What is a hobby farm?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
A that's just when you raise animals but till they die,
or just for fun. So you're not competing at the fair,
You're not selling off your stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No one gets eaten at Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
All right, unless they're very bad?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Okay, gunshot wound, butt injury? National park?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yes, thank you? What is my ideal birthday party? Hey?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Hi, Hello, I'm a park ranger from one of the
country's most visited national parks. I know I should stay
out of the forest, but too late Yellowstone. As part
of the park's Search and rescue team, I go out
on calls to help people who have been injured. Typically
these are broken or twisted ankles, altitude sickness, and other
somewhat boring ailments. Last summer, we got a call that
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was definitely more exciting. Two gunshots were reported near the
park's most popular destination and Alpine Lake, about two miles
up trail. As I'm gearing up and our team is
gathering to head out to the call, the story develops.
Every detail is more strange than the last. Here's the scoop.
These are the emails we live.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
For National Park scoops.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's right on the next A man in his late
sixties decided to carry a firearm for the first time
in his life while in the park with his daughter
and young grandchildren for quote wildlife safety purposes. I understand
the concern about wildlife encounters, especially for folks who are
not used to this environment. He had nothing to worry about, though,
(06:48):
as he was in the most populated part of the
entire park and would be more likely to come upon
teenage skinny dippers or a group of Christian campers playing
their music way too loud than bears or cougars.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Blow him out of the water. Either way, blow him away.
Naked Christians, get those Christian guitar playing hippies and blow
them out of the water.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Grandpa, Well, at the lake, his old timey revolver got
caught on something inside his fanny pack, fired and shot
him in the backside of his upper thigh.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Sir, you said, old time revolver, old timey revolver.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
That's the guy. He just guy decided to bring with
him like.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
An old colt forty five. Ye down at the Oh shoot,
so he shot himself in the butt.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
She says. Let's just call it what it is, a
gun shot wound in the butt. An FBI agent just
so happened to be off duty at the lake with
his own family, and when he tried to confiscate and
unload the gun, he shot another round off into the lake.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh my god, Grandpa, how old was this gun? Civil War?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I don't know, but this is why. Once law enforcement
rangers entered the scene and determined it was not in
fact an active crime scene, we were able to rescue
the injured man. We bandaged him up, put him on
our mountain adapted stretcher and rolled him on down the hill.
So I know, nauseous stomach down, yeah, down the hill. Na,
(08:17):
I'd love to see them just like push him?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Who like a slug down there?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yep, nauseous and drugged up. He asked our lead why
he was hearing quote so many female voices. Well, you
have a lot of female rangers helping take care of
you today, to which he responded, I know a lot
of guys who shoot themselves in the ast on purpose,
just to be carried down a mountain by some beautiful women. Yes,
(08:43):
it's fun to know that, even with a bullet inside
their bodies and the knowledge that they could have accidentally
shot their seven year old grandchild, old white men still
have the capacity to make a pass at you while
you're sweaty, frustrated, and carrying their body down a mountain.
I found out a week later that this man's butt
shot was somewhat of a blessing in disguise. Through his
(09:06):
hospital visit and testing, he discovered he has cancer and
is now able to seek treatment. Oh my god, turns
out shooting himself and the ass might have saved his life. Yes,
stay sexy and don't carry your gun. In a fanny pack.
Say it with us everyone A she her, Oh my god,
(09:27):
twist and turns. How old was that gun?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I need to know? You know, he bought it at
like some kind of a weird exhibition where it has
a pearl handle, and they told him that like they
told him that uh has General Custer. Billy the kid's
brother lent it to him.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I just see him with two gun and new chan
shooting in the fucking what was his name in the
cartoon then semity fucking samon it up. Oh I wonder
if it was Yosemite. I mean that's what he thought
it'd be the perfect.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Oh, Grandpa, I guess I'll just bring my gun camping
with my family. That's right, mund off a bear, you know,
in case a bear comes, this guy, just stay out
of the forest. If anyone, this guy needs to stay
away from everybody. Okay, let's see the subject line of
this is sleepy English village, murders, hauntings, and a highway woman. Yes,
(10:25):
a special hello to Frank. My dog is also called Frank,
but he is an asshole mins too. He was just
laying here licking the carpet. Ran lock him. Oh Frankie.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Happy happy.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Look, he's like, I can smell something. It's a latte,
frank okay. I grew up in a traditional little English
village called Wheatthampstead. I bet you that's not.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
How it'stead witham said.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Sleep in Hertfordshire Weathamstead. Oh sorry, no, in Herfordshire wheathamsteadam's weam.
Wheathamstead is the epitome of a typical idyllic village. So
obviously we have a long history of murders. In the
seventeenth century, there was a spate of highway robberies on
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Farers Lane, a street named after the rich aristocratic family
that owned most of the parish. At this point in time,
highwaymen were not uncommon. However, during one raid, the highwayman
was mortally wounded, and upon checking the body, they found
it was not a highwayman, but in fact a highway woman.
The woman was later identified as Lady Catherine Ferrers, the
(11:39):
only child in sole heir to the Ferrer's fortune. Catherine
was raised as a lady, but by age fourteen she
had been orphaned and married off to a man who
took control of her entire estate. Her husband wasted no
time in selling off her family's assets. To build back
her dwindling wealth, she took to the Knight and became
the infamous Highwayman Wow slash Woman, where she ultimately met
(12:02):
her demise. She was later nicknamed the Wicked Lady and
is said to haunt the area surrounding Ferrer's Lane called
the Devil's Dyke. Now this is where it gets creepy.
In nineteen fifty seven, a local girl was abducted and murdered.
Nineteen fifty seven, a local girl was abducted and murdered
on her way home from a dance hall, and her
frozen body was found a months later in the Devil's Diyke.
(12:26):
Police concluded that she must have been kept in a
chess freezer and the case was coined the Deep Freeze Murder.
Only a handful of people at the time actually owned
chess freezers, so it should have been easy enough to
identify the killer. However, the murder remains a cold case
to this day. In nineteen seventy seven, the body of
Janie Shepherd, and Australian heiress, was also found in the
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Devil's Dike. The case was later linked to the Beast
of Shepherd's Bush. In two thousand and nine, a suitcase
containing a human arm was found by a dog walker
on the common. It was discuss that a man named
the Jigsaw Killer murdered his landlord, forty nine year old
Jeffrey Howe, and Scott scattered his body parts around Hertfordshire
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and Leicestershire. The killer is now serving thirty six years
and sadly these are not the only cases of bodies
being found on Farar's Lane, but that doesn't stop it
from still being used as a popular location for dog walking,
cycle rides and cricket matches.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Thank god. If you like this, I know, right ideal
like murder.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
If you like this little collection of sleepy English village murders,
thanks for all you do.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
E love the love, the idyllic setting. I mean, this
is like your favorite TV show essentially.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And you know what would been amazing it was a
British It's the amalgamation of all my favorite TV shows
because it starts in the long ago village era, the
seventeen hundreds village era, and it moves all the way
through and it's like layers of is it.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
The same guy as a crime empire? It could be
like it could be like a fantasy thing.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It could be bad forest spirits, eternal evil that lives
in a certain area of the forest that's been unlocked,
that that plays upon the idyllicness of the the shire.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
What about a generation of like the grandpa was the
great grandpa the grandpa and then current day and needs
to stop with this line.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
They're so greedy that they no longer want for money
because they have all the money now they.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Want you and whatever what if? Like they test the
DNA from the seventeen hundreds ones and realize that Matt
the Killers DNA matches the Killers from because they're I
want to stick with the Grandpa thing.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You You seem to really like the Dracula style. It
feels like a vampire or a like you eternal being
kind of vibe. I do yeah, I do too, I
do too. I don't mind it at all. The occult
is always very interesting because then it's that thing of like, well,
this could never happen in our town. It must be
a gateway to hell, right right, that's underneath the richest town, instead.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Of the realistic thing, like we want to pretend it's
more sinister than just plain old terrible, right, Hello people
and pets. If there's anything to be thankful for in
the shithole of COVID, it's that my dad finally got
enough whiskey in him to give me the details on
his connection to our hometown murder, well, our hometown apprehension.
(15:27):
I grew up at a small farm town outside Sacramento,
and yes, I can confirm that Sack is just as
shitty as Karen describes.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
A town that's home to an elementary school, two churches, and,
for no logical reason, a nudist colony.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
What uh huh it must be near the river.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, right, the town that's home to an elementary school
already fucking said that. The colony over enthusiastically named Laguna
del Soul sits at the end of a country road
just about a mile or so away from where I
grew up. Back in nineteen ninety one, I was at
the ripe old age of six, and my dad was
working as a realtor his office as secretary. A lovely
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woman in her late sixties was a permanent resident of
the nudist colony, a life decision she decided to share
with everyone she worked with A perfect visual One day,
her and a couple of her friends were lounging by
the pool when her friends realized the guy at the
other end of the pool looked a little familiar. Where
had they seen that face? And hopefully it was only
(16:31):
the face they recognized before. It was the guy from
a recent bowlow aka be on the Lookout that had
been blasted out across California. The one and only Carrie Stainer.
Oh no, the piece of shit, the piece of shit
Yosemite hiker. Done that. We've covered that before. If you
want to look for it, it's fuaked up.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
That's her early days.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, As a story goes, they realized who he was,
likely shit their non existent pants, and then called cops.
Good play on words there. As they waited for the
cops to come, they got a little worried Stayner might
realize what was happening and try to leave. I can't
imagine three nudists sprinting away from the pool was very discreet,
So they figured out what car was Stainer's and then
(17:14):
parked their car directly behind it to block him in.
At the end of the day, Stayner didn't try to
leave and was arrested inside the nudist colony in an
oddly calm manner. So that's the story of how Carrie
Stainer was arrested down the street from my childhood home,
and it only took twenty one years for my dad
to clue me in on the details. Here's the obligatory
(17:36):
and well deserved shout out thank you to you, ladies.
I've been working full time and going to law school
at night for the past three years and you have
no idea the sense of sanity that you've provided. One
more year of school and then I hope to be
advocating for victims' rights, inspired every day by ladies like you.
Stay sexy and don't get naked with serial killers. Jenna, Wow,
(17:57):
chisty tourney. That was a good one, and it involved
a national park again.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That's right, that's the theme I seem to remember, because
I'm pretty sure I'm the one that did the carry
Stainers story, and I remember that being the ending, and
that he stood out at that if I'm remembering correctly,
he stood out at that nudist colony because it was
mostly like retirees and older people. It wasn't that the
thing where the older nudists were kind of freaked out
(18:22):
by him.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I somehow didn't remember that there was a nudist colony involved,
but she must you would have covered it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I think I did, but now I have it truly
was a full five years ago.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I love naked sixty year old woman. Nudist colony saves
the fucking day, heroic, badassory with no tan lines. That's
the key.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
She is everyone's hero.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I feel like, if I didn't have to look at
other naked people, I would be a nudist. So maybe
I'd just like to be naked alone with Vince.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I think that's what there. Your
house is for it, it can be anudice.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
My house is a nudist colony.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah. I think a lot of people's houses are. They
just don't discuss it them. It's when you it's no, no, no,
not at all.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I meant like, it's when you feel the need to
play volleyball all the time. What is the fucking thing?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I think that's an old bit. I think you're more
of an exhibitionist than a nudist at that point.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, or maybe you have like a really intense case
of body horror where you're like, you know what I
need to do? Jump up and down. That's what's going
to really do it for me. Freedom. The subject line
of my next one is the Lion, the Witch and
the medicine Cabinet to Hell is no longer a thing.
Oh high MFM. After Karen's story this week, which was
(19:44):
the Ruthie Mae McCoy story of somebody coming through her
bathroom mirror, I thought you might be concerned that architects
are still designing bathrooms with medicine cabinet murder portals in them.
So I wanted to alay some of your concerns. This
situation is no long We are permitted by code for
a few reasons. There is no code section on candyman,
(20:05):
so they're all boring reasons that sound like sound transmission
and stuff. Now that you're a fire safety podcast, you
may be happy. Why that is some sweet, sweet sarcasm
right there, Yes, sir, Now that you're a fire safety podcast,
(20:26):
you may be happy to know that one of the
reasons have to do with preventing the spread of fires.
Walls between apartment units are required by code to have
a fire resistance rating of at least one hour. There
are ways to maintain that fire rating around a recessed
medicine cabinet, but all of those ways would result in
a tight seal that would not allow your neighbor to
simply take out the cabinet and hop through. The code
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also requires that certain acoustic standards are met by the
walls separating apartment units, and specifically requires that the openings
for recessed cabinets are sealed, lined, and or insulated to
maintain in the sound transmission class of the wall. There
is the Fair Housing Act, which requires that all apartments
in buildings that have four or more units meet certain
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baseline accessibility requirements. Medicine cabinets over sinks are not prohibited
by the terms of the Fair Housing Act, but are
not typically considered all that accessible to people who use
wheelchairs or people of short stature because most of the
shelves within them would be out of reach, and placing
the cabinet low enough to be useful as a mirror
could create a clash between the cabinet door and the
(21:31):
sink faucet. All this complication and inconvenience of putting a
medicine cabinet over a sink in a wall between two
apartment units means that you will almost never see it
done in new apartment buildings anymore. If there is a
medicine cabinet at all, it's often to the side of
the sink in the wall that does not separate apartments.
If despite all this, there is a medicine cabinet in
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the wall between one unit and another, it would have
to be fully sealed to prevent the passage of fire, smoke,
and sound. Obviously, as TikTok has reminded us, there are
plenty of buildings that were built long before some or
all of these things became requirements, but at least newer
buildings do not have this issue. This concludes my lecture
on medicine cabinets. Please feel free to promptly forget everything
(22:14):
I just said, stay sexy, and don't drink the liquid
and bottles you find on construction sites, because it's never not.
Oh Maria, learning so.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Much from Maria.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Maria had a lot of really good structural engineering information
to share.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Maria fire safety, start your own, Maria teaches YouTube and
teach us. Oh everything you know that was great.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It actually does quell that fear though that that could
happen again. It's like all the things that came together
to make that possible, and we're gone.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
For me as someone who enjoys a good close up
glance in the mirror while I wash my hands, and
I now appreciate why sometimes the medicine cabinet isn't over
the sink and can understand. I'm like, and I feel
okay about it now I can come to terms with it.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
It seems only fair because it has to be reachable. Yeah,
and you've got to be able to swing around and
get that one like whisker on your chin that you
can feel it, not see.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And what better time than doing a thorough hand washing,
which we're all doing these days. I hope.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Not anymore, not anymore. It's over, And thanks everybody that
wrote in this week, all these so there was so
much information, there was so much a forestry, There was laughter,
and there was poignance, and.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
There were naked people playing volleyball as usual.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So I think we've done it. We've done it all.
So now all there is left is for you to
stay sex and don't get murdered.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Go bye, Elvis.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Do you want a cookie?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
The story had everything except sex. You had family problems,
you had mental illness, you had violence, you have all
of the politics.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, the host of tenfold More Wicked
on Exactly Right, and our third season is set in
my home state of Texas. It's a wild story about
a prominent family ripped apart and a killer that might
have gotten away with murder.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
It was a memorable story. You don't have an associate
justice being murdered very often.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
This season is about a titan in Texas politics in
the nineteen thirties who was murdered one night along with
his wife.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
He comes across as a pretty caring, nice man, which
I'd like to believe that he.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Was very respected politically influential.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
It's about a killer with a grudge and some serious
problems that were never treated.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
He had these resentments which were understandable, but I also
think he had voice is telling him that he should
do something about them. That just doesn't sound like something
that would happen as an accident. What it sounds like
is a failed suicide attemper.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
It's about how we treat people with mental illness and
the justice system in America.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Most people would agree that yes, mental illness is in
fact an illness and people shouldn't be held accountable for
something that they didn't have control over. Unless you're the
victim of that crime, then obviously you feel very differently.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I didn't really like know that I had been stabbed.
I just realized I couldn't move my hand and I
saw blood. You just want them to feel the pain
that you felt.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
It's about family secrets.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
My grandfather was the town angel and the home devil.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
And most importantly, this season is about why these murders happened.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
The question is at what point is delusion profound enough
for you to be forgiven for murder.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
I'm Kate Winkler Dawson and this is three of Tenfold
More Wicked, a podcast about a fractured family in nineteen
thirties Texas. Season three of Tenfold More Wicked is now
available on Exactly Right. Subscribe now on Stitcher, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you like to listen.
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