January 17, 2022 • 30 mins
This week’s hometowns include a dad misjudging the mph and a badass great-grandma in a hostage situation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Today is the season four premiere of tenfold More Wicked
on Exactly Right, and we're sharing the new season trailer
at the end of this episode. Written researched and hosted
by Kate Winkler Dawson, Season four of tenfold More Wicked
is called Tiger Woman. It's about a Southern girl turned
Hollywood chorus girl turned killer with a hammer.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Set in nineteen twenties Los Angeles, this historical true crime
story is about a terrible marriage between two habitual liars
that ended in murder.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Learn more about this infamous Hollywood scandal through the murderer's
family and find out why she might have turned from
chorus girl to killer.
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Good Bye, hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
The man is your am I going to go deac
like this the rest of our lives. It won't be
irritating at all. You love it. This is your reality anyways. Hey,
what's up? What's up.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You want to go first term, sure, okay, we're filming this.
If you want to watch it on ful, go for it.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh yeah, we make up on Watching us read and
do weird voices is the.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Best part of this.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Love Okay, nice, Okay, I'm not going to read you.
The subject line of this gives it away. Hello, beautiful
people and pets, let's jump in. When I was eighteen,
I got my first job working in an electronics store
as a cashier. If you've ever worked for retail, you
know you have some interesting conversations with customers passing through.
This was definitely no exception. Any weird conversations come off
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the top of your head from working retail.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, this isn't retail, but similar.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I when I worked at a grocery store, like a
health natural health food store, and I was a checker,
which was so much fun. There would always be these
couple like hippie people, older hippie people who would come
in and yell at you not to scan their groceries
because they thought the laser.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
From the scanner was poison.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But they were always which is fine, fucking everyone has
a thing.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
But they were so mean. They were never nice about it.
It was like a weird.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Thing that the few people who did it were always
yelled at you beforehand.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
It seemed to be filled with fear probably and please
don't radiate. They were not right, or everybody would get
what they thought they were gonna get, like involved and scanned.
You know, that's funny because I was like, I asked
you that question, but I wasn't gonna be able to
answer it myself. But when I worked at the gap,
there was a security guard that worked there before I
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worked there, But somebody else told me the story that
they had just gotten those kind of infrared scanners to
do the price tags. Oh yeah, like they'd just gotten
some new ones. And they held the gun up and
did a like QPW at this security guard who was
probably in his twenties, and he burst into tears because
he thought it was going to make him go blind.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Oh no, And it was this kind of like.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Sorry, very that was a very dramatic moment. They're like,
just just keep that pointed down. People get upset.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
If you make a security guard cry, that's a special
kind of terror, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's also a special kind of test that maybe that
security guard needs to go into a different line of work, sir,
It's going to get worse than this.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It's going to get scarier than this. Everything gets worse
and scarier. That's just the rule of life as you
get older.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Okay, So going back into this retail story, I don't
remember what the older, creepy bald man was buying as
I was ringing him up, but he kept complimenting my
auburn hair and asked if it was natural. I smiled,
said yes, and continue to try to get the transaction
over with. He then proceeds to educate me on organ donation,
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how it works, and that people are on medication for
the rest of their lives so their bodies don't reject
their new donated organ. I thought it was a weird
thing to talk about, but I just smiled and asked
if he.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Had a rewards card with them. It's a great conversation changer.
I was just going to say, you're at a cocktail party.
Somebody asked you a weird question. You're like, yeah, I'm
not sure. Do you have a rewards card with us?
That's your new get out of a conversation free card.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Is yeah, because they'll just cut their eyes will kind
of go in circles and you just walk away.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
He then pauses, stares at me with his I live
in my mom's basement eyes and says, do you know
why I'm telling you about all of this? I say no,
he replied, because I want your hair, but having to
take medication the rest of my life so my body
doesn't reject it is too much of a hassle. He
then paid for whatever he was buying, ford me to
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have a good day, and was on his way. I
had security walk me to my car for a while after.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
That, you find time.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I want your hair anyways, stay sexy, and I always
tell creepy guys your hair color isn't natural, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I want your hair, is like the creepiest saying it's staking.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I want your hair, but I don't want my body
to reject you like it's a liver.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I thought this through. It's so hard. This isn't metaphorical,
this is literal.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
This is I want you to know how much I'm
thinking about taking your basically your scalp.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I thought through the steps of this and it's not
worth it, but I think you should fucking know.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And no, I don't have a Rewords car.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, but I think I should freak the fuck to
you because I'm a weird pervert that's trying to scare
you for my own pleasure.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Thanks for shopping at radio check. What the fuck? What
the fuck? Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Good, good, good good. Life is good, and life is normal.
It's so beautiful. It's really average. It's really average and
boring and normal. Okay, mysterious nineties murdered photos found in
evidence room.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Oh just starts.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Hello. First off, want to thank you for keeping me
company as I walk to work every weekend as I
lose my mind in the throes of my forensic psychology
master's degree. Hell Y, this may be long, but it's
definitely worth it. Onto the story. I used to be
an intern at my local sheriff's office in the suburbs
of Chicago when I was in high school. This person
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is maybe the coolest fucking person. They're doing it high school.
Before moving to the UK, I worked with the crime
scene investigator and the evidence custodian, both of which were
the loveliest ladies on the planet and made that time
incredibly special. We were cleaning out the evidence room, oh
my god, and came across an unlix with random items
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in it. One of the items was a stack of
photos that were marked with a date from the mid
nineteen nineties on it. The photos were taken in a
random field and seemed to be capturing the police digging
up a human Torso, of course, this is rural Illinois,
where really nothing like this happens. We could not find
the case file to figure out any of the details.
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A few weeks later, I was listening to MFM and
one lady at a live show stood up and told
a hometown about a hotel called Bohemian in Lily Lake
where a trucker went missing and was dismembered before being
buried around the area. The murderer was the hotel owner,
and he kept the body parts in the hotel's fridges
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for the next few weeks before disposing of him. Only
when the dogs came to sniff the area out was
his body found. I was obviously in shock because the
details matched the photos perfectly.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I emailed the detective I interned with and she confirmed
that a details match, and I, ironically her mom was
on the jury. What me, Being the delightful person I am.
I told my family about this amazing coincidence over Christmas
dinner to my great grandma and grandma's dismay. They used
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to frequent the Bohemian for dinner every week in the
nineties and did not know why it had been shut down.
Oh sorry for ruining your appetite. Thanks for everything you do.
My fiance and I spent the first few months of
our relationship in lockdown together and bonded over your podcast.
I knew he was the one immediately, but as Hardy
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laugh with your jokes sealed the deal. Stay sexy and
do not ruin Christmas dinner were stories about dismemberment.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Caitlin, She's staring into the eyes of her great grandmother, like,
guess what, Like that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Great grandma has seen a lot of shit and you
just ruin her Christmas dinner.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
She's been through two wars likely yeah, several wars. But
that's an unbelievable coincidence that someone's hometown from a live
show basically got them to get all that whole case together.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's also really worrying that, like there's an unlabeled evidence.
I mean, I guess the guy probably got tried or whatever,
so it's not like it's cold case.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But let's get organized, guys.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Let's get some people in there that love to go
to staples, buy those kind of like those accordion files.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Let's just get Let's not have it look like my
junk drawer in the evidence room.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Those home edit ladies who come into like famous people's
houses and make their fucking pat pantry look amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But let's do that for a police department, right, It's
kind of what they do on murder Squad for cold cases.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
That's true verbally, Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
The subject line of this email is the time I
jumped out of a moving vehicle because my dad told
me to Hi all, I love you guys, and I
was listening to this week's Many story. And now that
you guys are apparently telling stories about near death vehicle incidents,
I have a story to share. This happened about twelve
years ago. I was fifteen, and it was the middle
of the summer. My family was living in a small
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town in British Columbia, Canada, and it was thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
For that.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Much needed, much appreciated huh. And it was a hot day,
perfect for a float down the river. Me, my three sisters,
and my dad piled into our minivan with our respective
floatation devices and headed down to the next town over
to float the wide, slow moving river that brought people
from all around the area to lounge in. Now, something
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to know about my family is that we are an unlucky,
accident prone bunch. My father especially is a forgetful guy
on top of the unlucky streak, and something he forgets
often is to fill up the car with gas.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Hey, airmen, Hi, me right here. I've done it so
many times.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I've run out of guess before, it's it's so embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, I've run out of gas trying to get a
parking spot in San Francisco. Oh no, Yeah, and I
had the triple A guy come and just bring me, Like,
can't I get He's like, fuck you, He's like, get
your shit together.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Okay. This day was no exception.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We were only about ten minutes into our forty minute
journey when our dad realized that we were nearly on
empty and we weren't going to make it much further.
He had slowed down a bit and you could see
that a gas station was coming up in the distance.
Thinking on his feet, my dad said to me and
my older sister girls, we aren't going that fast, so
jump out onto the grass so you can Sorry, this
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farely hit me the time I read it.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Now in seen it is girls, we aren't going that fast,
so jump out onto the grass so you can help
me push the car to the gas station. Oh girls, girls.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Now, Being a very trusting fifteen year old who at
this point in life still believed that my dad knew
everything and wouldn't ask me to do anything remotely dangerous,
I enthusiastically agreed, and we opened the sliding door of
the van. My older sister was the first to jump,
landing pretty gracefully on a patch of grass.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I was next, but due to.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Going second, I managed to miss the grass completely and
fell legs first onto the cement and loose gravel of
the road barrel, rolling down the road a few meters.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Can you imagine the person behind them?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Suddenly, two fucking teenagers out of a van plunged themselves out,
clearly in peril.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Clearly they can't stay in that van anymore, because it's
a life or death emergency.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Holy shit. Okay, okay, it's so hilarious.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I don't remember it all too well at this point
in my life, but I remember my dad suddenly stopping
the car and hearing my younger sisters in the backseat
of the van wailing as they all thought I'd been
run over.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
My dad ran over to me to.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Find me miraculously not run over, but very banged up
and covered in a road rash. After gathering me up,
we managed to roll the van to the gas station,
where my dad bought a package of band aids and
a coke to say sorry for his misguided direction and
nearly killing me. It turns out we were still going
around thirty to five miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
No, that's fast.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
That is very fast, which, if you were wondering, is
too fast to jump out of a moving vehicle. Now
you might be wondering, did this stop the trip? And
did you still go float down the river? Why? Yes,
curious feeders, did continue on our journey. The cold river
felt really good on my wounds, and we had a
great time.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Regardless, you can't ruin the trip for everyone just because.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
No, if there's three sisters or four sisters, yeah, multiple sisters,
Yeah you're outloaded. You're still going to that river. Thank
god it's not salt water. My dad did have some
explaining to do. However, when we got home and my
mom saw the state of my legs that were almost
completely raw from road rush and bruising, I lived for
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a couple of weeks and had hideous legs for the
rest of the summer.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Twelve years later, I still have scars. Lol. Oh right.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
My dad feels awful about this, and because of it,
I like to remind him every now and then how
he asked me to jump out of a moving car once,
to which he winces.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And asks me not to remind him.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Stay so good to fucking make that request now you
really don't.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Sorry, stay sexy and maybe take a second to question
your father's advice every once in a while, and maybe
just don't jump.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Out of moving cars. Becca.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Ps, please come to Canada on tour. If we ever
get out of this hell hole of a pandemic, we'll
do our best. Yeah, oh my god, that is so funny.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, I need more bad advice from parents that you
trusted and then never trusted again.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Please?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yes, when was what event can made you realize your
parents were just regular people and not all known like
all controlling masterminds of the universe.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah, like didn't know everything?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Oh my god, going thirty to forty miles now, it's
not like they're still moving, and he's just trying to
keep it going, keep it.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Rolling ten miles an hour or under, maybe that's acceptable.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But slowing down enough so that you think you might
not get to the gas station.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
It's almost like he wanted to get weight out of
the car so it would actually make it to the
gas station. But he told him it's because he needed
to push them, but the car was moving fine.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's almost like he was just trying to get a
bunch of things done at once, and he was just like,
here's one of the things. The timing doesn't really matter,
and it's like, no, the timing of this part was
actually crucial.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
You do everything at once. Oh my god, it's so funny.
It's good.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Okay, all right, this one's badass. Great grandmother's story. I
didn't do that on purpose, but here we are nice.
My great grandmother, Sally, it's say l I, but then
she tells me it's pronounced Sally was an og bad ass.
She ran her own catalog business in Germany in the
nineteen twenties and thirties and raised two kids while her
husband was hiding in Switzerland. Eventually, she escaped the Nazis
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by posing as a nun and made her way with
the entire family to the United States.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Unbelievable. Wow, I just read an amazing book. It's a
novel called The Nightingale, but it's basically about occupied France
and it's like, holy shit, what people had to do.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Oh so frightening. It's amazing right now.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But the main story I want to tell you took
place in September nineteen seventy, a lawless time when planes
were hijacked on the reg My great grandma was on
a flight from Zurich to New York when it was
hijacked by members of the Popular Front for the Liberation
of Palestine. Their plane, along with two other hijacked planes,
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were re routed and landed in the Jordanian desert. Oh
After one night in the desert, the hostages were transported
by the hijackers to a hotel in the capitol, where
they were kept for several more days. As family legend
has it, my great grandma would not take shit from
the hijackers. She constantly complained about the cold and the sand,
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and that the food tasted bad, and that her hotel
room wasn't nice enough. Apparently the hijackers couldn't handle her
bitching and let her go in one of the first
rounds of hostage releases. Great, what a great tip. Totally
be fucking annoying and they want to get rid of you.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Slightly risky, but maybe it is those squeaky wheels you know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Right In the end, after days of international diplomatic talks,
all of the three hundred hostages were freed and the
only death was one hijacker. I'm so proud to be
named after my great grandmother, a true survivor and badass
who knew the power of a loud voice and a
bad attitude. Stay sexy and don't stop coveetching, Hannah.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Oh, don't stop fetching. I love it. Stopvetching. That's amazing. Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Subject line is hometown fucking horay mashup. Here we go, Yo.
In August, the cow Door Fire started between Pollock Pines
and Lake Tahoe in California. Before it was one hundred
percent contained, it burned over two hundred and twenty one
thousand acres in My entire family has lived in South
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Lake Tahoe since before I was born, forty three years ago,
with very short notice. My sister and her husband were
the first of the family put under mandatory evacuation. Two
days later, my brother and sister in law, my mom,
and myself were evacuated. And then in parentheses it says
we all live on the same street. Well that's kind
of awesome. My boyfriend and I packed up my mom
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and all of our beasts and headed to a hotel
just outside of the evacuation area. Nobody in the history
of anybody has ever thought, you know, what would be
fucking awesome? Locking myself up in a tiny hotel room
with my mom and my boyfriend and two dogs and
three cats for a mother fucking week.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Oh good times. But I digress.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
When we were allowed back home, our town was covered
in homemade banners thanking the firefighters for saving our town.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Oh you're crying, and that got me.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Everyone was honking and waving to each other, and it
was impossible not to cry and feel so much love
for our community. The following week, I started radiation for
the cancer on my vocal cords. I went alone to
my first treatment, and I was a little scared. That
is until one of the radiation technicians came out to
get me. I stood up when she called my name,
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and she smiled when she saw my T shirt and said, oh,
you're a murderino. I knew I was in good hands
then and there. So big shout out to the fire
crews who saved my hometown from burning down, and to
the amazing staff at the Tahoe Forest Cancer Center for
treating me like a friend and not just another patient.
And to my now fiance who proposed the day we
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were allowed back home.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Oh my god, I just love this email. Sorry much
great shit's going on here?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Sidebar. My fiance knows nothing about podcasts. In fact, he
calls them broadcasts. Bless his heart.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I love it broad broadcasts.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
He does, however, know how much I love MFM, and
the T shirt I was wearing to treatment that day
was a birthday gift from him. Stay sexy and be
fire ready and fucking fuck cancer.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Oh nawah, she her, Oh my god, that was beautiful
and that a good mone eww. Yeah, that's a lot.
That's a lot of good stuff in there, thank you. Anewah.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh I have one more fight that cancer. Yeah, hell yeah,
I wrap it up so awesome. Okay, this one's called
near death experience slash meet cute question mark and there's
there's some bummers in this, but I swear it turns
out positive.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Love you all in the pod.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Here's my story. I was in an abusive relationship through
my first few years of college that I really felt
I had no way out of, and it isolated me
from the people in my program. I promise this is
not a sad story. I heard about an opportunity to
study abroad in Vienna at the summer of twenty nineteen.
These opportunities came up all the time, but for some reason,
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this one really stuck with me and I knew I
had to go. I was a ceramics student and I
was firing the last kiln of the year before finals.
I was partnered with this guy i'll call him John,
who I had classes with but never spoken to because
it was cute. My then boyfriend was jealous of him,
and I didn't want to exacerbate any of his abusive tendencies. Again,
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this story has a happy ending. I was very shy
and timid, but John was making polite conversation as we
loaded the kiln and asked me what I was doing
that summer. I told him I was going to Austria
on a study abroad trip, and he said he wanted
to go too. I let him know that I'd been
planning this for a year, but he should try to
email our mutual professor to see who he could join
the program. To my surprise, there he was at the
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airport the day we were leaving for Europe. I didn't
know anyone else in the program, so we couldn't on
the way there.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
On the various layovers.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I share an apartment with six other girls in the program,
so I got pretty close with them and John, whose
apartment was a few walcks away. Our classroom was in
the next building from my apartment, so John would come
over every morning before class with espresso and a pastry
for me. He and I were both pretty big partiers,
so we were always the most hungover and would wallow
and self pity and coffee together as we walked around
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the city with our class. The alcohol in Vienna was
very cheap and very smooth, and could be bought at
the Aldi on the street level of my apartment building.
This perk really turned on me. One afternoon after class,
John and I somehow ended up splitting a bottle of
what we assumed to be vodka called corn with a k.
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Neither of us the band, yes, neither of us ever
really figured out the German liquor labels. My roommates joined
us eventually, and we were talking and laughing. But this
is the last thing I remember. In the midst of
I sat on the sill of the open window in
my shared apartments tiny fourth floor European Ikea kitchen. There
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was no screen or preventative measure on the window to
keep the inhabitants from falling out the window of the
fourth floor apartment. I came out of my blackout very suddenly,
with pain in the back of my knees, the sound
of distant screaming, and nothing but cold Vienna air underneath me.
I quickly realized that I had slid out of the window,
and the only thing keeping me from falling four stories
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in a foreign country onto my head was the strength
of my knee pits. John grabbed me by the ankles
and yanked me back into the kitchen with so much
force that I hit the refrigerator on the other side
of the room. I began to laugh in pain and
drunken fear, which I quickly realized was not the vibe.
The other six people jammed into this tiny kitchen had
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looks of horror on their face. You're loving so hard
right out. It's so much, It's a lot, It's the
most intense em Maybe yes. I found out later that
I'd thrown my head back laughing and lost my balance,
and the group thought I for sure had fallen to
my grizzly death. Then it goes anyway. John ended up
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being the love of my life. I broke up with
my abusive boyfriend over the phone while still overseas, and
moved out of our apartment when I got back. Yes,
three years after this trip, John and I are still together,
coming up on the second anniversary of me moving in
with him. He's unfortunately saved my life several more times.
On the same trip, he pulled me out of the
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way from being hit by a box truck that I
had drunkenly walked in front of, and will probably continue
to save me from myself for the rest of my life.
These stories make me sound like I have a problem,
but I was in college and actually, after listening to
you both for the last six years, I realized that
drinking seven days a week was not nearly as cute
as I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I did sober October this.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Year for the first time with John and a few
of our friends, something I never thought I would be
able to do.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Now I barely drink.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Maybe one night a week, and I haven't blacked out
in several years. And then it says a bigger accomplishment
than it probably shouldn't be. Hey, man, we all have
her struggle.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I mean, look, I've been at that place where it's like,
oh yeah, I've stayed in I've stayed in reality for
a consistent amount of time.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
So pride is it's a victory. It's a true victory,
any little victory. Y'all have been my ear through some
of the worst times of my life, making me laugh
through it all. You've changed my life in more ways
than you could ever know. Stay sexy and don't sit
on the fourth story windowsill in the blackout or do
because you might find the love of your life and
everything bad might change for the good.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And she her, Oh I love it. Also.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
The other reason I was laughing so hard is because
there was a party that we had once in My
friend Dave loves to bring it up at my boyfriend
at the time, Dave Anthony, a co host of The
Doll Up.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
If you listen and The Doll Up, It's a great podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It was his his apartment with Art and he was
roommates with our other friends.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
They were having a party, so we were all up
on the roof.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But you know those San Francisco roof parties, You're literally
on a roof with no barrier, so yeah, you could
ostensibly just walk off the roof and fall off, yes,
And I was so I was the girl that was
so drunk at the party that everyone was convinced I
was going to fall off the roof, and they were
Every time I would go at like within five feet,
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they'd be like, Gary, Gary, it was. It just reminds
me of the same thing where you inside your little
drunken kind of half blind world or take it easy.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
But then she actually almost fell up when.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
She was holding it by It's like when you're when
like in caper movies when they're trying to hide from
the villain and they just like hang by their fingers
from outside the window.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
She was doing that with her fucking knee pits.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And so in a way there are times when she
has saved herself. That's right, that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
What an intense story. Send us your stories, please, We
fucking love them. They're gems, all of them.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So many great yea emails, Thank you all, and yeah,
try to save yourself by your knees and stay sexy and.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Don't get murdered. Good bye, Elvis.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Do you want a cookie?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
She was a chorus girl, a bathing beauty. That's all
will and good, but that would not have been my
choice is one to marry. I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a
true crime author and the host of tenfold More Wicked
on Exactly Right and Our fourth season, set in nineteen
twenties Los Angeles, is about a Southern girl turned Hollywood
chorus girl turned killer with a hammer.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
She'd been with him since she was fourteen. She was
very insistent that they were meant to be together for life.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
This season of tenfold More Wicked is about a terror
marriage between two habitual liars.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
It was a relationship I think that was unhealthy for her,
very unhealthy for her.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
He was very much a moving target. Either he got
in trouble or his old troubles caught up with him
and he exited stage left.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Was he kind of a lady's man? Yeah, I think
he was stuck on himself.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
She was very protective of him and she didn't want
to share him with anybody else. He was hers.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
A lot of secrets in that family, and they were
not about to tell each other.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
It's about secrets that swirled around one of the country's
most important families in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
My grandmother was to be protected from the truth.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
He knew that I knew some things.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
What I'm trying to say here is still water runs deep.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
It's about a terrifying car trip that only two out
of three passes and survived.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
She played on Clara's fears that fed into the paranoia
all of the things that were part of the demons
that Clara had, and she turned her into a weapon.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
When they got back in the car, Clara said, if
you tell anybody about this, I will kill you.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
And it's about finding out the truth.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Was she a psychopath? It's a mystery, but maybe you'll
be able to find more answers.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
A lot of stuff in the story, doesn't it seem
to add up?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, a lot of secrets since they don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
There seems to be a lack of a moral compass.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
What a slack ball.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm Kate Winkler Dawson and this is season four of
Tenfold War Wicked. Season four of Tenfold War Wicked is
now available on Exactly Right. Subscribe now on Stitcher, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you like to listen.
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Today is the season four premiere of tenfold More Wicked
on Exactly Right, and we're sharing the new season trailer
at the end of this episode. Written researched and hosted
by Kate Winkler Dawson, Season four of tenfold More Wicked
is called Tiger Woman. It's about a Southern girl turned
Hollywood chorus girl turned killer with a hammer.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Set in nineteen twenties Los Angeles, this historical true crime
story is about a terrible marriage between two habitual liars
that ended in murder.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Learn more about this infamous Hollywood scandal through the murderer's
family and find out why she might have turned from
chorus girl to killer.
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Enjoy the trailer for season four, then head over to
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Good Bye, hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
The man is your am I going to go deac
like this the rest of our lives. It won't be
irritating at all. You love it. This is your reality anyways. Hey,
what's up? What's up.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You want to go first term, sure, okay, we're filming this.
If you want to watch it on ful, go for it.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Oh yeah, we make up on Watching us read and
do weird voices is the.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Best part of this.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Love Okay, nice, Okay, I'm not going to read you.
The subject line of this gives it away. Hello, beautiful
people and pets, let's jump in. When I was eighteen,
I got my first job working in an electronics store
as a cashier. If you've ever worked for retail, you
know you have some interesting conversations with customers passing through.
This was definitely no exception. Any weird conversations come off
(02:02):
the top of your head from working retail.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well, this isn't retail, but similar.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I when I worked at a grocery store, like a
health natural health food store, and I was a checker,
which was so much fun. There would always be these
couple like hippie people, older hippie people who would come
in and yell at you not to scan their groceries
because they thought the laser.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
From the scanner was poison.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But they were always which is fine, fucking everyone has
a thing.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
But they were so mean. They were never nice about it.
It was like a weird.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Thing that the few people who did it were always
yelled at you beforehand.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
It seemed to be filled with fear probably and please
don't radiate. They were not right, or everybody would get
what they thought they were gonna get, like involved and scanned.
You know, that's funny because I was like, I asked
you that question, but I wasn't gonna be able to
answer it myself. But when I worked at the gap,
there was a security guard that worked there before I
(02:57):
worked there, But somebody else told me the story that
they had just gotten those kind of infrared scanners to
do the price tags. Oh yeah, like they'd just gotten
some new ones. And they held the gun up and
did a like QPW at this security guard who was
probably in his twenties, and he burst into tears because
he thought it was going to make him go blind.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Oh no, And it was this kind of like.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Sorry, very that was a very dramatic moment. They're like,
just just keep that pointed down. People get upset.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
If you make a security guard cry, that's a special
kind of terror, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's also a special kind of test that maybe that
security guard needs to go into a different line of work, sir,
It's going to get worse than this.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
It's going to get scarier than this. Everything gets worse
and scarier. That's just the rule of life as you
get older.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Okay, So going back into this retail story, I don't
remember what the older, creepy bald man was buying as
I was ringing him up, but he kept complimenting my
auburn hair and asked if it was natural. I smiled,
said yes, and continue to try to get the transaction
over with. He then proceeds to educate me on organ donation,
(04:08):
how it works, and that people are on medication for
the rest of their lives so their bodies don't reject
their new donated organ. I thought it was a weird
thing to talk about, but I just smiled and asked
if he.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Had a rewards card with them. It's a great conversation changer.
I was just going to say, you're at a cocktail party.
Somebody asked you a weird question. You're like, yeah, I'm
not sure. Do you have a rewards card with us?
That's your new get out of a conversation free card.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Is yeah, because they'll just cut their eyes will kind
of go in circles and you just walk away.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
He then pauses, stares at me with his I live
in my mom's basement eyes and says, do you know
why I'm telling you about all of this? I say no,
he replied, because I want your hair, but having to
take medication the rest of my life so my body
doesn't reject it is too much of a hassle. He
then paid for whatever he was buying, ford me to
(05:02):
have a good day, and was on his way. I
had security walk me to my car for a while after.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
That, you find time.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I want your hair anyways, stay sexy, and I always
tell creepy guys your hair color isn't natural, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I want your hair, is like the creepiest saying it's staking.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I want your hair, but I don't want my body
to reject you like it's a liver.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I thought this through. It's so hard. This isn't metaphorical,
this is literal.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
This is I want you to know how much I'm
thinking about taking your basically your scalp.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I thought through the steps of this and it's not
worth it, but I think you should fucking know.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And no, I don't have a Rewords car.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yes, but I think I should freak the fuck to
you because I'm a weird pervert that's trying to scare
you for my own pleasure.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Thanks for shopping at radio check. What the fuck? What
the fuck? Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Good, good, good good. Life is good, and life is normal.
It's so beautiful. It's really average. It's really average and
boring and normal. Okay, mysterious nineties murdered photos found in
evidence room.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Oh just starts.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Hello. First off, want to thank you for keeping me
company as I walk to work every weekend as I
lose my mind in the throes of my forensic psychology
master's degree. Hell Y, this may be long, but it's
definitely worth it. Onto the story. I used to be
an intern at my local sheriff's office in the suburbs
of Chicago when I was in high school. This person
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is maybe the coolest fucking person. They're doing it high school.
Before moving to the UK, I worked with the crime
scene investigator and the evidence custodian, both of which were
the loveliest ladies on the planet and made that time
incredibly special. We were cleaning out the evidence room, oh
my god, and came across an unlix with random items
(07:01):
in it. One of the items was a stack of
photos that were marked with a date from the mid
nineteen nineties on it. The photos were taken in a
random field and seemed to be capturing the police digging
up a human Torso, of course, this is rural Illinois,
where really nothing like this happens. We could not find
the case file to figure out any of the details.
(07:23):
A few weeks later, I was listening to MFM and
one lady at a live show stood up and told
a hometown about a hotel called Bohemian in Lily Lake
where a trucker went missing and was dismembered before being
buried around the area. The murderer was the hotel owner,
and he kept the body parts in the hotel's fridges
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for the next few weeks before disposing of him. Only
when the dogs came to sniff the area out was
his body found. I was obviously in shock because the
details matched the photos perfectly.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I emailed the detective I interned with and she confirmed
that a details match, and I, ironically her mom was
on the jury. What me, Being the delightful person I am.
I told my family about this amazing coincidence over Christmas
dinner to my great grandma and grandma's dismay. They used
(08:15):
to frequent the Bohemian for dinner every week in the
nineties and did not know why it had been shut down.
Oh sorry for ruining your appetite. Thanks for everything you do.
My fiance and I spent the first few months of
our relationship in lockdown together and bonded over your podcast.
I knew he was the one immediately, but as Hardy
(08:35):
laugh with your jokes sealed the deal. Stay sexy and
do not ruin Christmas dinner were stories about dismemberment.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Caitlin, She's staring into the eyes of her great grandmother, like,
guess what, Like that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Great grandma has seen a lot of shit and you
just ruin her Christmas dinner.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
She's been through two wars likely yeah, several wars. But
that's an unbelievable coincidence that someone's hometown from a live
show basically got them to get all that whole case together.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's also really worrying that, like there's an unlabeled evidence.
I mean, I guess the guy probably got tried or whatever,
so it's not like it's cold case.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But let's get organized, guys.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Let's get some people in there that love to go
to staples, buy those kind of like those accordion files.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Let's just get Let's not have it look like my
junk drawer in the evidence room.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Those home edit ladies who come into like famous people's
houses and make their fucking pat pantry look amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But let's do that for a police department, right, It's
kind of what they do on murder Squad for cold cases.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
That's true verbally, Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
The subject line of this email is the time I
jumped out of a moving vehicle because my dad told
me to Hi all, I love you guys, and I
was listening to this week's Many story. And now that
you guys are apparently telling stories about near death vehicle incidents,
I have a story to share. This happened about twelve
years ago. I was fifteen, and it was the middle
of the summer. My family was living in a small
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town in British Columbia, Canada, and it was thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
For that.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Much needed, much appreciated huh. And it was a hot day,
perfect for a float down the river. Me, my three sisters,
and my dad piled into our minivan with our respective
floatation devices and headed down to the next town over
to float the wide, slow moving river that brought people
from all around the area to lounge in. Now, something
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to know about my family is that we are an unlucky,
accident prone bunch. My father especially is a forgetful guy
on top of the unlucky streak, and something he forgets
often is to fill up the car with gas.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Hey, airmen, Hi, me right here. I've done it so
many times.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I've run out of guess before, it's it's so embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, I've run out of gas trying to get a
parking spot in San Francisco. Oh no, Yeah, and I
had the triple A guy come and just bring me, Like,
can't I get He's like, fuck you, He's like, get
your shit together.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Okay. This day was no exception.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We were only about ten minutes into our forty minute
journey when our dad realized that we were nearly on
empty and we weren't going to make it much further.
He had slowed down a bit and you could see
that a gas station was coming up in the distance.
Thinking on his feet, my dad said to me and
my older sister girls, we aren't going that fast, so
jump out onto the grass so you can Sorry, this
(11:40):
farely hit me the time I read it.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Now in seen it is girls, we aren't going that fast,
so jump out onto the grass so you can help
me push the car to the gas station. Oh girls, girls.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Now, Being a very trusting fifteen year old who at
this point in life still believed that my dad knew
everything and wouldn't ask me to do anything remotely dangerous,
I enthusiastically agreed, and we opened the sliding door of
the van. My older sister was the first to jump,
landing pretty gracefully on a patch of grass.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I was next, but due to.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Going second, I managed to miss the grass completely and
fell legs first onto the cement and loose gravel of
the road barrel, rolling down the road a few meters.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Can you imagine the person behind them?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Suddenly, two fucking teenagers out of a van plunged themselves out,
clearly in peril.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Clearly they can't stay in that van anymore, because it's
a life or death emergency.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Holy shit. Okay, okay, it's so hilarious.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I don't remember it all too well at this point
in my life, but I remember my dad suddenly stopping
the car and hearing my younger sisters in the backseat
of the van wailing as they all thought I'd been
run over.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
My dad ran over to me to.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Find me miraculously not run over, but very banged up
and covered in a road rash. After gathering me up,
we managed to roll the van to the gas station,
where my dad bought a package of band aids and
a coke to say sorry for his misguided direction and
nearly killing me. It turns out we were still going
around thirty to five miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
No, that's fast.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
That is very fast, which, if you were wondering, is
too fast to jump out of a moving vehicle. Now
you might be wondering, did this stop the trip? And
did you still go float down the river? Why? Yes,
curious feeders, did continue on our journey. The cold river
felt really good on my wounds, and we had a
great time.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Regardless, you can't ruin the trip for everyone just because.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
No.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
No, if there's three sisters or four sisters, yeah, multiple sisters,
Yeah you're outloaded. You're still going to that river. Thank
god it's not salt water. My dad did have some
explaining to do. However, when we got home and my
mom saw the state of my legs that were almost
completely raw from road rush and bruising, I lived for
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a couple of weeks and had hideous legs for the
rest of the summer.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Twelve years later, I still have scars. Lol. Oh right.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
My dad feels awful about this, and because of it,
I like to remind him every now and then how
he asked me to jump out of a moving car once,
to which he winces.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And asks me not to remind him.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Stay so good to fucking make that request now you
really don't.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Sorry, stay sexy and maybe take a second to question
your father's advice every once in a while, and maybe
just don't jump.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Out of moving cars. Becca.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Ps, please come to Canada on tour. If we ever
get out of this hell hole of a pandemic, we'll
do our best. Yeah, oh my god, that is so funny.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, I need more bad advice from parents that you
trusted and then never trusted again.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Please?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yes, when was what event can made you realize your
parents were just regular people and not all known like
all controlling masterminds of the universe.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah, like didn't know everything?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Oh my god, going thirty to forty miles now, it's
not like they're still moving, and he's just trying to
keep it going, keep it.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Rolling ten miles an hour or under, maybe that's acceptable.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But slowing down enough so that you think you might
not get to the gas station.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
It's almost like he wanted to get weight out of
the car so it would actually make it to the
gas station. But he told him it's because he needed
to push them, but the car was moving fine.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's almost like he was just trying to get a
bunch of things done at once, and he was just like,
here's one of the things. The timing doesn't really matter,
and it's like, no, the timing of this part was
actually crucial.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
You do everything at once. Oh my god, it's so funny.
It's good.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Okay, all right, this one's badass. Great grandmother's story. I
didn't do that on purpose, but here we are nice.
My great grandmother, Sally, it's say l I, but then
she tells me it's pronounced Sally was an og bad ass.
She ran her own catalog business in Germany in the
nineteen twenties and thirties and raised two kids while her
husband was hiding in Switzerland. Eventually, she escaped the Nazis
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by posing as a nun and made her way with
the entire family to the United States.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Unbelievable. Wow, I just read an amazing book. It's a
novel called The Nightingale, but it's basically about occupied France
and it's like, holy shit, what people had to do.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Oh so frightening. It's amazing right now.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But the main story I want to tell you took
place in September nineteen seventy, a lawless time when planes
were hijacked on the reg My great grandma was on
a flight from Zurich to New York when it was
hijacked by members of the Popular Front for the Liberation
of Palestine. Their plane, along with two other hijacked planes,
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were re routed and landed in the Jordanian desert. Oh
After one night in the desert, the hostages were transported
by the hijackers to a hotel in the capitol, where
they were kept for several more days. As family legend
has it, my great grandma would not take shit from
the hijackers. She constantly complained about the cold and the sand,
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and that the food tasted bad, and that her hotel
room wasn't nice enough. Apparently the hijackers couldn't handle her
bitching and let her go in one of the first
rounds of hostage releases. Great, what a great tip. Totally
be fucking annoying and they want to get rid of you.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Slightly risky, but maybe it is those squeaky wheels you know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Right In the end, after days of international diplomatic talks,
all of the three hundred hostages were freed and the
only death was one hijacker. I'm so proud to be
named after my great grandmother, a true survivor and badass
who knew the power of a loud voice and a
bad attitude. Stay sexy and don't stop coveetching, Hannah.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Oh, don't stop fetching. I love it. Stopvetching. That's amazing. Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Subject line is hometown fucking horay mashup. Here we go, Yo.
In August, the cow Door Fire started between Pollock Pines
and Lake Tahoe in California. Before it was one hundred
percent contained, it burned over two hundred and twenty one
thousand acres in My entire family has lived in South
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Lake Tahoe since before I was born, forty three years ago,
with very short notice. My sister and her husband were
the first of the family put under mandatory evacuation. Two
days later, my brother and sister in law, my mom,
and myself were evacuated. And then in parentheses it says
we all live on the same street. Well that's kind
of awesome. My boyfriend and I packed up my mom
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and all of our beasts and headed to a hotel
just outside of the evacuation area. Nobody in the history
of anybody has ever thought, you know, what would be
fucking awesome? Locking myself up in a tiny hotel room
with my mom and my boyfriend and two dogs and
three cats for a mother fucking week.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
Oh good times. But I digress.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
When we were allowed back home, our town was covered
in homemade banners thanking the firefighters for saving our town.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Oh you're crying, and that got me.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Everyone was honking and waving to each other, and it
was impossible not to cry and feel so much love
for our community. The following week, I started radiation for
the cancer on my vocal cords. I went alone to
my first treatment, and I was a little scared. That
is until one of the radiation technicians came out to
get me. I stood up when she called my name,
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and she smiled when she saw my T shirt and said, oh,
you're a murderino. I knew I was in good hands
then and there. So big shout out to the fire
crews who saved my hometown from burning down, and to
the amazing staff at the Tahoe Forest Cancer Center for
treating me like a friend and not just another patient.
And to my now fiance who proposed the day we
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were allowed back home.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Oh my god, I just love this email. Sorry much
great shit's going on here?
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Sidebar. My fiance knows nothing about podcasts. In fact, he
calls them broadcasts. Bless his heart.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I love it broad broadcasts.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
He does, however, know how much I love MFM, and
the T shirt I was wearing to treatment that day
was a birthday gift from him. Stay sexy and be
fire ready and fucking fuck cancer.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Oh nawah, she her, Oh my god, that was beautiful
and that a good mone eww. Yeah, that's a lot.
That's a lot of good stuff in there, thank you. Anewah.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Oh I have one more fight that cancer. Yeah, hell yeah,
I wrap it up so awesome. Okay, this one's called
near death experience slash meet cute question mark and there's
there's some bummers in this, but I swear it turns
out positive.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Love you all in the pod.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Here's my story. I was in an abusive relationship through
my first few years of college that I really felt
I had no way out of, and it isolated me
from the people in my program. I promise this is
not a sad story. I heard about an opportunity to
study abroad in Vienna at the summer of twenty nineteen.
These opportunities came up all the time, but for some reason,
(21:11):
this one really stuck with me and I knew I
had to go. I was a ceramics student and I
was firing the last kiln of the year before finals.
I was partnered with this guy i'll call him John,
who I had classes with but never spoken to because
it was cute. My then boyfriend was jealous of him,
and I didn't want to exacerbate any of his abusive tendencies. Again,
(21:33):
this story has a happy ending. I was very shy
and timid, but John was making polite conversation as we
loaded the kiln and asked me what I was doing
that summer. I told him I was going to Austria
on a study abroad trip, and he said he wanted
to go too. I let him know that I'd been
planning this for a year, but he should try to
email our mutual professor to see who he could join
the program. To my surprise, there he was at the
(21:55):
airport the day we were leaving for Europe. I didn't
know anyone else in the program, so we couldn't on
the way there.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
On the various layovers.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I share an apartment with six other girls in the program,
so I got pretty close with them and John, whose
apartment was a few walcks away. Our classroom was in
the next building from my apartment, so John would come
over every morning before class with espresso and a pastry
for me. He and I were both pretty big partiers,
so we were always the most hungover and would wallow
and self pity and coffee together as we walked around
(22:25):
the city with our class. The alcohol in Vienna was
very cheap and very smooth, and could be bought at
the Aldi on the street level of my apartment building.
This perk really turned on me. One afternoon after class,
John and I somehow ended up splitting a bottle of
what we assumed to be vodka called corn with a k.
(22:45):
Neither of us the band, yes, neither of us ever
really figured out the German liquor labels. My roommates joined
us eventually, and we were talking and laughing. But this
is the last thing I remember. In the midst of
I sat on the sill of the open window in
my shared apartments tiny fourth floor European Ikea kitchen. There
(23:07):
was no screen or preventative measure on the window to
keep the inhabitants from falling out the window of the
fourth floor apartment. I came out of my blackout very suddenly,
with pain in the back of my knees, the sound
of distant screaming, and nothing but cold Vienna air underneath me.
I quickly realized that I had slid out of the window,
and the only thing keeping me from falling four stories
(23:30):
in a foreign country onto my head was the strength
of my knee pits. John grabbed me by the ankles
and yanked me back into the kitchen with so much
force that I hit the refrigerator on the other side
of the room. I began to laugh in pain and
drunken fear, which I quickly realized was not the vibe.
The other six people jammed into this tiny kitchen had
(23:52):
looks of horror on their face. You're loving so hard
right out. It's so much, It's a lot, It's the
most intense em Maybe yes. I found out later that
I'd thrown my head back laughing and lost my balance,
and the group thought I for sure had fallen to
my grizzly death. Then it goes anyway. John ended up
(24:15):
being the love of my life. I broke up with
my abusive boyfriend over the phone while still overseas, and
moved out of our apartment when I got back. Yes,
three years after this trip, John and I are still together,
coming up on the second anniversary of me moving in
with him. He's unfortunately saved my life several more times.
On the same trip, he pulled me out of the
(24:36):
way from being hit by a box truck that I
had drunkenly walked in front of, and will probably continue
to save me from myself for the rest of my life.
These stories make me sound like I have a problem,
but I was in college and actually, after listening to
you both for the last six years, I realized that
drinking seven days a week was not nearly as cute
as I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
I did sober October this.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Year for the first time with John and a few
of our friends, something I never thought I would be
able to do.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Now I barely drink.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Maybe one night a week, and I haven't blacked out
in several years. And then it says a bigger accomplishment
than it probably shouldn't be. Hey, man, we all have
her struggle.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I mean, look, I've been at that place where it's like,
oh yeah, I've stayed in I've stayed in reality for
a consistent amount of time.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
So pride is it's a victory. It's a true victory,
any little victory. Y'all have been my ear through some
of the worst times of my life, making me laugh
through it all. You've changed my life in more ways
than you could ever know. Stay sexy and don't sit
on the fourth story windowsill in the blackout or do
because you might find the love of your life and
everything bad might change for the good.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
And she her, Oh I love it. Also.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
The other reason I was laughing so hard is because
there was a party that we had once in My
friend Dave loves to bring it up at my boyfriend
at the time, Dave Anthony, a co host of The
Doll Up.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
If you listen and The Doll Up, It's a great podcast.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
It was his his apartment with Art and he was
roommates with our other friends.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
They were having a party, so we were all up
on the roof.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
But you know those San Francisco roof parties, You're literally
on a roof with no barrier, so yeah, you could
ostensibly just walk off the roof and fall off, yes,
And I was so I was the girl that was
so drunk at the party that everyone was convinced I
was going to fall off the roof, and they were
Every time I would go at like within five feet,
(26:30):
they'd be like, Gary, Gary, it was. It just reminds
me of the same thing where you inside your little
drunken kind of half blind world or take it easy.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
But then she actually almost fell up when.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
She was holding it by It's like when you're when
like in caper movies when they're trying to hide from
the villain and they just like hang by their fingers
from outside the window.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
She was doing that with her fucking knee pits.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And so in a way there are times when she
has saved herself. That's right, that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
What an intense story. Send us your stories, please, We
fucking love them. They're gems, all of them.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So many great yea emails, Thank you all, and yeah,
try to save yourself by your knees and stay sexy and.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Don't get murdered. Good bye, Elvis.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Do you want a cookie?
Speaker 6 (27:24):
She was a chorus girl, a bathing beauty. That's all
will and good, but that would not have been my
choice is one to marry. I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a
true crime author and the host of tenfold More Wicked
on Exactly Right and Our fourth season, set in nineteen
twenties Los Angeles, is about a Southern girl turned Hollywood
chorus girl turned killer with a hammer.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
She'd been with him since she was fourteen. She was
very insistent that they were meant to be together for life.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
This season of tenfold More Wicked is about a terror
marriage between two habitual liars.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
It was a relationship I think that was unhealthy for her,
very unhealthy for her.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
He was very much a moving target. Either he got
in trouble or his old troubles caught up with him
and he exited stage left.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Was he kind of a lady's man? Yeah, I think
he was stuck on himself.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
She was very protective of him and she didn't want
to share him with anybody else. He was hers.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
A lot of secrets in that family, and they were
not about to tell each other.
Speaker 6 (28:39):
It's about secrets that swirled around one of the country's
most important families in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
My grandmother was to be protected from the truth.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
He knew that I knew some things.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
What I'm trying to say here is still water runs deep.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
It's about a terrifying car trip that only two out
of three passes and survived.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
She played on Clara's fears that fed into the paranoia
all of the things that were part of the demons
that Clara had, and she turned her into a weapon.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
When they got back in the car, Clara said, if
you tell anybody about this, I will kill you.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
And it's about finding out the truth.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Was she a psychopath? It's a mystery, but maybe you'll
be able to find more answers.
Speaker 6 (29:24):
A lot of stuff in the story, doesn't it seem
to add up?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Yeah, a lot of secrets since they don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
There seems to be a lack of a moral compass.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
What a slack ball.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
I'm Kate Winkler Dawson and this is season four of
Tenfold War Wicked. Season four of Tenfold War Wicked is
now available on Exactly Right. Subscribe now on Stitcher, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you like to listen.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
This has been an Exactly Right production.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Our producer is Hannah Kyle Crichton, Associate producer Alejandra Heck,
engineering mixer Steven Ray.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
More researchers j Alias and Hailey Gray.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Send us your hometowns and your fuckinghrays at my Favorite
Murder at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And follow the show on Instagram and Facebook at my
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