November 18, 2024 • 43 mins
What happens when the pain you thought was left in the past suddenly resurfaces, altering every aspect of your life? Meet my dear friend, Ayieta, who courageously shares her journey with chronic pain following scoliosis surgery in 1981. Together, we explore the long-term effects of the Harrington rod and spinal fusion that remained silent for decades until 2009, when they began to disrupt her active lifestyle. This episode sheds light on how chronic pain can unexpectedly shape one's life, demanding resilience and adaptability in ways that challenge both body and spirit.
You'll learn about the coping strategies we've both found essential in facing chronic pain, from the unwavering support of faith, family, and friendships to the delicate balance between conventional medicines and alternative treatments. My personal journey from a former disability claims examiner to someone living with chronic pain adds another layer to the conversation, as we unpack the emotional toll and everyday hurdles like household chores and weight gain. Our open discussion offers insights on navigating the complexities of pain management and the ongoing search for approaches that favor safety and functionality.
In a lighter twist, we dive into the unexpected ways weight loss has intersected with chronic pain management and how sports such as following the Georgia Bulldogs and the New York Knicks provide a sense of community and relief. It's a journey of cautious optimism, where weight loss and regular medical support offer glimpses of hope amidst ongoing challenges. Experience the blend of personal narratives and shared experiences, highlighting the power of community and the small victories that make each day a triumph.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hi, my name is Sherry and welcome to my podcast
Silver T, and this podcast isabout living with chronic pain,
and in some of my other videos Italked about how I live with
chronic pain and I wanted toknow from some of you, from some
of my audience here, how do youmanage your chronic pain.
(00:35):
And I have a special guest, oneof my very dear friends.
Her name is aieta and she liveswith chronic pain and we're
going to ask her a couplequestions, maybe they can be
useful to you, and how to manageyour pain or, if you've been
through this experience, whatare you doing?
So, again, I ask you to pleaseleave your comments below.
(00:56):
So, aieta, thank you for comingto the show and I gotta please
say hi to the audience herehello, everybody hello so I had
a.
I want to ask you, like what isthe root of your pain?
I mean, we're going to startwith that so we can lead into
(01:17):
other things.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I think that's very important to where the pain
comes from.
It actually started stemmed allfrom.
I'm a post-scoliosis surgerypatient.
I had surgery back in July of1981.
I actually remember the exactdate, july 2nd of 1981.
And I had a wonderful surgeon.
I was 13 years old but Iremember I had a wonderful
(01:43):
surgeon, very kind man named DrStanley Hoppenfeld, and he used
back then.
The way they did the surgery wasthey used what they call a
Harrington rod.
They stopped using that rodback in the late 80s and my
surgery was in 81, because theywere realizing there were
(02:06):
problems long time, uh, problemsthat the patient can suffer
with a Harrington rod.
So that's why they stoppedusing it.
But I already had the surgerysince it was done in 81 and they
also completely fused my spinefrom the top of the spine all
the way down to like L5 S1.
(02:27):
So there's no movement at allwith that most of my spine.
So because over the years, sinceevery move I make is only from
below the L5 S1 level, everymove I make Is causing Trauma.
(02:47):
Yes, it's putting a lot of therod itself puts a lot of
pressure on the spine and thenHaving total spinal fusion when
every move Somebody that didn'thave back surgery.
Every move they make issupported by their entire spine,
whereas every move I make issupported by their entire spine,
whereas every move I make isonly supported by the very
(03:09):
bottom of my spine, causing allthe pain to surface in my lower
back area now, ariana, when yousaid you had the surgery, they
finished your spine, so did they?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
did they fuse it like during the surgery, or did this
kind of fuse over time?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
No, they fused it at that time during the surgery.
In fact, dr Hoppenfeld told myparents and I that during the
surgery he will wake me up outof that anesthesia to ask me to
move my legs Because you canbecome paralyzed from this
(03:47):
surgery.
So he has to let.
He had to let my parents and Iknow that I remember.
I remember that I don'tremember waking up because what
was weird was it was once ittook me, like they said it took.
The nurses said it took me abouttwo days to come out of the
anesthesia because the surgerywas very long.
(04:08):
My mom said it was like six,seven hour surgery.
So, um, and my, my poor motherwas so scared and nervous.
She told me waiting and um, andso I asked dr hopfeld.
I remember I asked him did youwake me up?
Because I don't remember that.
Did you wake me up to see if Icould move my legs?
(04:32):
And I remember he said yes, Idid.
I woke you up and you were mywonderful little girl and you
moved your legs perfectly.
That's what he said.
I remember everything.
Wow, that's amazing yeah, I wasscared when he told me that he
(05:00):
was gonna wake me up during.
My parents were scared too, youknow, because you can become
paralyzed dealing with the spine, so it can, of course, it could
cause you to be paralyzed sothere was no guarantee that you
were going to walk exactly yesnow.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
You've been living with this chronic pain for how
many years now?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
well, let me say this you've been okay.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So you had the surgery, but how long have you
been living with the chronicpain?
Because I remember when I metyou, you were a very active
person.
Yes, 20, what was it?
2017?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
no, it was actually uh.
No, it was in the beginning,like 2009, because I moved into
2009 and that's when I startedhaving the pain.
I actually started having thepain when I was living in
atlanta, georgia.
Okay, because I left atlantageorgia in march, like towards
the end of march 2009, but in2000, like the beginning of 2009
(06:02):
, I started experiencing lowback pain, like zero pain.
From 81 all the way till 2009,zero pain.
I was able to live my life andeverything you know work, be at
the gym, being active, havingsocial life, all of that, yeah,
and then when I startedexperiencing like these twinge
(06:22):
twinge type of pain in my lowerback, I attributed it to I was
sitting, I was working 12 hourdays in atlanta, so I just
attributed it to that.
You thought that's what it was,all that sitting.
Yeah, I thought it was all thatsitting.
Yes, because I wasn't the onlyone complaining about low back
hurting, so we were wouldstretch in our cubicle, so.
But the pain got worse when Icame back to Pennsylvania in
(06:46):
March and then I had to see umoh no, I remember I was doing my
step aerobics class.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Ah, you see, that's what I mean.
You were at, you were out there, yes.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I came back to Pennsylvania and I went back to
and then all of a sudden and Idon't stop, 60 minutes straight
high cardio, I don't stop All ofa sudden I felt the sharpest
pain in my lower back.
I got scared, I was, and evenmy instructor, cause he knows I
don't stop.
My instructor said are you okay?
(07:19):
I said I don't know.
I don't know.
I got scared.
I thought my rod came loose.
That's what I, that's the firstthing I thought of, because I
never experienced that sharp ofa pain.
But I didn't go to theemergency room until two days
later and I could barely walk.
I could barely walk.
At that point.
(07:39):
I was terrified that my rodcame loose.
How long has that been nowsince that whole?
That was in April.
That was sometime in April of2009.
Oh, so we almost Gone on like15 years.
15 years, wow.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
So, so I mean.
So how has I mean, how has itaffected your daily life?
Now, because I know, like Isaid, when I met you, you were
active.
You were always going, and itseemed like it has really
impacted what you do every day.
So did you?
Like did you start slowing downon things?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
yes, everything came to a halt.
That's everything like my wholelife changed before my eyes.
Everything came to a halt.
I could no longer do my stepaerobics.
I couldn't even be at the gymanymore Because it was.
The pain was so bad, itliterally affected you doing the
most simplest Task of dailyliving, like taking a shower,
(08:40):
brushing your teeth, doingdishes, and I never Experienced
that.
And I never experienced that,yes, and I never experienced
that.
Yes, yes, we don't realize thatwe're taking advantage because
it's just something you do everyday, and so I.
You know I was.
(09:00):
Of course, you know you getfeeling depressed.
It's like you can't do what youused to do anymore, like
everything has changed.
I had to be under painmanagement doctors.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, and that's not good.
So I'm glad you said you weredepressed.
So what strategies did you useto help you cope with this
emotional and psychologicalimpact from this client?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I'm not going to lie.
It was very difficult.
It brought me to a very darkplace.
It brought me to a very I'm notgonna lie, it brought me to a
very dark place.
I did disability claims.
I'm a disability claimsexaminer by my career.
That was what I did, and Iwould speak to claimants that
were in chronic pain and theywould tell me.
(09:45):
They would cry on the phone tome.
They would be so down, you knowthey had a full life and then
chronic pain came and it justchanges your life, just like
that.
Yeah, and and my heart would go.
I felt compassion, my heartwould break for these people.
I couldn't even imagine whatthey were going through.
And now I was living it.
And now I was living it.
And if it wasn't for God andJesus and praying, there was no
(10:10):
way I would have gotten throughit.
There was no way, there wasabsolutely no way I would have
gotten through it.
It's because of God and Jesusand praying.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And I believe having that family support.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh, it's very important.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And good friends being in your life will help
support you.
Yes, it's so important To havethat support.
It's very important.
Yes, good friends being in yourlife to help support you.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yes, it's so important to have that support.
It's so important.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Now Ayed, you were very, very thin when I first met
you, so because you were Idon't know about very thin you
were were my neighbor but I usedto see you outside.
(10:54):
You would be walking around acomplex with your friends they
would come by it was so funny,but you were then.
So it, over time, when you,when you slowed down and
depression, gained weight, youalso gained weight too as well,
right, oh?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
yes, easily, and I never thought I could reach the
weight that I reached my weight.
I was over 200, at one point,even a little over 200.
And I was shocked.
I said is this scale correct?
Like I was always 135.
Like 135, 140, you know, and itwas so.
It was mind-boggling that I hitthe scale that you want to,
(11:30):
because when you, when you feeldown like that, what do you turn
to?
You turn to food.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, to come for you .
Yeah, stress eating so much ofthat.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Chips, pringles, everything candy like just it
would cheer me up.
Everything candy like just itwould cheer me up.
But it was like your friend.
Yeah, it comforted me, it mademe feel happy, but the bad part
is the pounds went up.
Yes, they did, they did whichmakes the pain worse, which is
not healthy.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, I have probably pain, so I I don't understand
where you're coming from becauseI I don't like to do too much.
You're in so much pain.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I slow down a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I was out there.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Like I'm a person and I said this in my video, my
podcast, when I did it withStephen how I would be in 20
things at one time and I wouldbe managing all of them.
But as the pain came.
I just slowed down.
Doing all that stuff I wasdoing.
I would have to jump in andfinish it up, or he'll just do
(12:40):
whatever with it Because I waslike I'm done.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I can't even move.
It's unbelievable how likechronic pain can literally like
stop you in your tracks doingthe most simplest of things very
sweeping.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Wait, okay, let's talk about how does it.
That's how it affects us.
We can't even, uh, quality oflife or our normal routines are
now affected.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Sweeping the floor yeah, when I vacuum, when I back
, I have carpeting, I water oncarpeting and I have to vacuum.
Yeah, I never, like I neverthought vacuuming could be so
difficult, like because I usedto vacuum my whole life and it's
you know.
Now it's literally considered acardio workout for me.
I'll be vacuuming and Iliterally have to break it down.
(13:24):
You've been to my apartment.
It's big, so I literally I'mtrying to vacuum the living room
and the dining room and theother two and I literally have
to break it down.
You've been to my apartment.
It's big, so I literally I'mtrying to vacuum the living room
and the dining room and theother two bedrooms there, like
all in one day, and I realized Ican't do it.
The pain got so bad I couldn'teven put my body erect like
straight, straight up.
I have to, like I'm bent overand I have to do it really
really slow.
So do it really really slow?
(13:49):
So I realized when you havechronic pain, you you know what
you can and can't do and I knowthat I can only vacuum one room
at a time and that's okay, andthat's okay, at least they get
done.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I think it's okay too .
There's a smaller task toconquer them, to complete them.
They're out the way and today.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Those are accomplishments yeah and you'll
get it.
You'll get it done.
Just do it what you'll learn tolive with what your
restrictions and limitations areon a daily basis yeah, yes, I
agree with you, so.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I mean, what advice would you give to those
who are struggling with chronicpain and dealing with medication
and the side effects ofmedication, because medication
kind of turns into what we usenow just to give us a quality of
life, we have to take medicine.
So and I try, I know for me Itry to mix it between natural
(14:40):
and big pharma.
So I usually try to try naturalherbs or drink teas that help
with pain, so do you haveanything that you would like to
add?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, unfortunately, I haven't tried anything natural
.
Yeah, but I am on a lot ofmedications since 2009.
And I honestly you know, know Iwas just telling my friend
today I honestly can't standbeing on medications anymore.
I really hate taking all youknow, I'm 56 years old.
(15:17):
I've been on these meds for 15years.
They've increased the number ofmilligrams, so I'm on much
stronger milligrams now, muchhigher and and much stronger
muscle relaxers now, painmedications and you know, I know
all these medicines affect ourorgans.
Of course it does, and thatthat concerns me.
(15:38):
That worries me.
That worries me a lot.
I tried the medical marijuana.
I did.
I tried it.
I got, I just got certified theend of March and I figured that
would help because I heard alot of positive things about it
and it's not harsh on yourorgans like the medications.
But I tried it.
I tried different things and,um of the medical marijuana, it
(16:01):
did not help me.
Unfortunately, it does not helpme with my pain at all.
I was very disappointed BecauseI wanted to find something more
natural and hopefully get offmy pain meds, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And those pain meds.
They make you dizzy.
I think, you had a couple ofTimes when the medicine was so
strong.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I felt, yeah, the muscle relaxers, because the
muscle relaxers I'm supposed totake three times a day, um, but
I didn't like the feeling ofbeing so sleepy all day long.
I'm on disability and I may behome, but I don't like feeling
that way because I have choresto do, I may have to go out and
drive and that's not safe.
(16:44):
So so I take the one musclerelaxer in the morning and two
at night, since I'm going to bed.
It'll help me sleep.
But if I don't get in the bedwithin 60 minutes after taking
it, you know you fall asleepstanding up and then you drop.
Thank God I've never hurtmyself.
Thank God that's never happened.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But you know to get in the bed yeah, get in the bed.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Often takes your meds .
Get in the bed.
That's what you have to do.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I like, I like that you were saying that you don't.
And I'm the same way.
I don't like taking themedicine all like they prescribe
it, because I, I work and I I,yeah, you want it, yeah, I don't
know and I have to be alert.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I'm issuing checks and money to this people.
I have to make sure I'm issuingthe correct amount.
Yeah, so you have to be alert.
I thank God I wasn't on any ofthese meds when I was working,
you know, thank God, because,because you have to be, I always
tell you that, sheri, like youhave to be awake.
You work full time.
There's no way like how can youdo it with taking medication?
You can't.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You can't.
It has to be difficult and Ihad situations where I said you
know what lunchtime is here?
I'm going to go lay down forlunch, yeah, and that sometimes
Helps me Like in the afternoon Iwill wake up.
But I've been drinking teas andone of my podcasts I talk about
how I use the teas Formedicinal purposes.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
All this medication.
Like I said, I don't take itthe way.
I take less than what they'reasking me to take.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's what I do.
I don't like that feeling.
I don't take it the way I.
I take less than what they'reasking me to take.
That's what I.
That's what I do.
Yeah, I don't like that feeling.
I don't like it either likeyeah, I don't have any control
over myself, so I don't exactly.
Yeah, I don't like it either solet me um.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So there are some common misconceptions about
chronic pain and I wanted toactually talk about something
because this is my experienceand I wanted if you experienced
some of, because this is myexperience and I wonder if you
experienced some of these thingsbecause I know how you eat and
you still lose weight, becausenow you're on a, you're on a
little weight loss journey herewithout trying, but I'm losing
weight without every time I goto the doctor.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I lost more weight I lost.
My friend just asked me theother day did you lose more
weight?
You said I look thinner and Isaid what I do, I was.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So I've lost literally 30 pounds in two years
without dieting that that'samazing, because I gained about
30 pounds and I tried.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I don't know how I'm not going to I don't know how if
I'm happy, but I'm nervous too.
I hope nothing else is going on.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Me too, me too, that's what I was worried about.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But my doctor does blood work on me like every few
months, so if they saw something, they would tell me.
Yes, they would tell you.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
They look at all that .
They look at all these and see.
One time I went to theemergency room and the doctor
said that they look for certainthings that tell them if there's
an infection in the body.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Because of certain hormones that are high and
they're not supposed to be.
Yeah, so, yeah.
So while your doctor's doingblood work, he's probably
looking for all of that Exactly.
So what's your weight loss?
Now?
I noticed this so exactly.
So what's your weight loss?
Now?
I noticed this.
What's your weight loss?
Do you feel that it helps youwith your pain?
(20:12):
Do you notice a little bit ofalleviation of the pain when you
lose a little weight?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
absolutely, I've noticed it, I really have,
because you know how I noticedit.
I noticed that I lost 30 poundsin about two years and I can
actually bend and wipe the floorbecause I wipe my bathroom
floor every day.
I wipe it and I bend and Iwasn't able to do that before.
I could not, like I could do itfor like two seconds, three
(20:39):
seconds, and it would hurt sobad.
And I just like wiping my floordown because hair and stuff,
you know, get my hair getseverywhere.
So I just like wiping my floordown because hair and stuff, you
know, get my hair getseverywhere.
So I just like wiping it downevery day and I can reach behind
the toilet.
Now you know how hard it is toreach behind the toilet.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I can't believe people we don't realize that I
didn't know how hard it was, butyes, it is really hard to reach
behind the toilet to clean, toclean behind, and dust
accumulates there.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So I like to wipe it down.
So now I can wipe it downwithout excruciating pain.
I have pain but it's notexcruciating.
And so with the 30-pound weightloss now, I mean I still have
chronic pain.
I still have chronic pain.
Of course that's unfortunate,but I'm able to do more.
(21:30):
Yeah, I feel like I can movebetter with, you know, with the
weight loss, because having moreweight on our body I mean it's
not a good thing.
It puts pressure on our joints.
It's really bad.
I've seen it a billion times ondisability claims.
Even the smallest amount, yeah,it affects our knees, our back,
(21:53):
our hips.
You know, even for somebodythat never had any surgery,
that's just normal it's going toaffect your joints, your joints
exactly.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
But when you lose the weight, you can do more.
Exactly, and that was thecommon misconception.
They think oh, I lose weightbefore, it's not going to help
me with my pain, but it does.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It really does and the doctors encourage you.
The doctors encourage you tolose the weight.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And be active.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yes, and all I want to do is be able to walk
Something so simple as walkingExactly.
I wouldn't be able to do that,and I could walk if I have my
shopping cart with me, if I havea shopping cart.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You could walk down the sidewalk.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Support.
Yeah, it helps support when Iwalk the shopping cart and then
when my pain like flares up inmy legs, I can like stretch,
stop the cart and stretch.
You know, using the cart assupport I can do that.
But walking like just by myself, yeah, unfortunately, even with
the weight loss, I cannot do itbecause my legs go numb and
(23:06):
it's so painful because so Ijust I did it.
Pressure from the fused?
Yeah, they in fact.
When I saw my pain doctor juston the September 18th, I said to
him, doc, like this pain justis, this is 2009.
It's just gotten so much worseover the years.
And he said, unfortunately,with being a post-coliosis
(23:30):
patient, post-coliosis surgery,the rod same thing I've heard
before the rod putting pressureon my spine, 24, 7 uh total
spinal fusion.
And he said I have a lot ofsevere narrowing which is from
the spinal stenosis.
So even when I go for myprocedures, my pain management
(23:52):
procedures, epidural burning ofthe nerves yeah, it takes them a
little longer because of thesevere narrowing in my spinal
canal from the, it's all puttingI have bones first to all of
that Just bulging.
So all of that combined, hesaid, is putting pressure on my
(24:14):
nerves, pressing on my nerves,causing the pain to shoot from
my lower back to my right, myhip, down my leg.
Yeah, unfortunately.
But he said, as long as we keepdoing the pain management.
And I said I said, listen, Ihaven't had my epidural since my
(24:34):
right side epidural done foreight months.
He said you cannot go eightmonths again, you cannot.
So but that's them trying tofit me in for appointments.
You know what I mean.
It's not like I'd say yeah.
It's not like I say I want togo eight months.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's supposed to be doneevery three to four months.
Yeah, so I'm already like twomonths behind.
(24:54):
Like you know, two proceduresbehind schedule, and I still got
to get my left side done too.
Yeah, so I'm going October 7th.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I'm playing games sometimes.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I know they're saying you cannot go eight months
again.
I'm like it's not like I said,I want to go this long.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, it's not my choice.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's when you guys fit me in.
You know what I mean Exactly.
But if I stay, if I can stay ontop of it, like it cares but you
know yeah, and if I can get myprocedures done regularly, like
they're supposed to, I believemy pain will decrease and I'll
(25:35):
be able to live a better qualityof life, because that's what
pain patients want are to live abetter quality of life, because
that's all pain patients wantare to live a better quality of
life.
I got my hand up.
I used to see that all the timeon disability claims.
That's all they want.
They're not asking for much.
Just to go for a walk yes, Iwould love to be able to walk
(25:56):
without a shopping cart.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Exactly, speaking of a shopping cart, mom does not
like shopping.
I mean, I mean not the shoppingcart she doesn't like to get in
, the little little cart thosescooters, oh I'll be in a
scooter, I think we need adriver's license for that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I don't know if I could.
I probably crash intoeverything.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I don't know well, you can back up, do your k-turn
in an hour, you know you're mysister.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Can I reverse my car?
I mean seriously.
You witnessed you and your momwitnessed it first and still.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
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(27:00):
Steven, can I back up?
You got like a whole.
Not, steven, can I back up yourcar?
You got like a whole anothercar you can back up.
That's not even there.
You sure she got a gyro gliderfor me.
I don't know, maybe you don'tbelieve that don't belong in
that scooter.
I might have to say I've neverused that scooter.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I know it's not allowed in the scooter.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Have you ever used that scooter?
I did, I do.
Sometimes my pain is so badI'll get in one.
Is it difficult to drive?
It's not.
You just don't go too fast.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So I'll be zooming in does it give you directions on
it?
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It shows you how to put which one to push it go
forward, which one to push theback up, and it's easy to
maneuver sometimes I really do,I'll admit.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
My girlfriend told me , probably two years ago,
because she uses, she sufferswith chronic pain too.
She lives in Philadelphia, sheuses the scooter.
She's a few years older than usand she said Ayana, there's
nothing to be ashamed of usingthe scooter.
I told her these are badstudents.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
But people, that's what they're there for.
There's nothing wrong with thescooter, because I'm going to
tell you, people are so willingto help you when you're in that
scooter.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I've worked people in a scooter.
I've seen them.
Do you need something on thetop shelf?
Do you need something?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
for them.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I get whenever I'min the scooter.
People are so like we thinkthere's not a lot of nice people
in the world today, but thereare.
They're there, they're runningand they're trying to help you
with whatever.
You're trying to reach this andreach that.
Or sometimes, if a person isbehind me in a scooter, I try to
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help put this stuff on aconveyor belt.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
So, yeah, yeah, and speaking of nice people, I
remember I was in Walmart herein Utica one day, in Walmart
here in Utica one day I think Itold you this a few years ago
and my leg flared up in severepain that I could barely get out
of Walmart and I had to likedrag my right leg.
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By the time I got outside theWalmart, I was completely in
tears and a lady came over to me.
She said, oh no, are you okay?
And a lady came over to me.
She said, oh no, are you okay?
And a gentleman came up to me.
Not only did they stay with meuntil my pain eased up, they
offered to drive to get my carand bring it over to me so I
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didn't have to walk over therelike they were so terrible in
the world.
Yeah, they were so caring andthat gave me hope.
I couldn't thank them enoughfor that and that really gave me
hope that, wow, there werestill nice, genuine people out
here, despite everything goingon, especially in this country.
They were strangers, they werestrangers and they stayed with
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me Until my pain alleviated.
They didn't have to do that.
I was really touched by that.
I'll never forget that there'sstill good people out there
there really are.
We're one of them.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
We see these people.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
If I saw somebody crying, I want to help them.
That's what humans should do.
Yeah, I'll go over and see ifthere's anything I can do to
help you.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yes, get you anything .
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah.
So let me ask this you always,most of the time, I have taught
you not great moves, but somepeople think that attitude
doesn't affect your pain.
But I disagree with that.
A positive mindset and coping,coping strategies can
significantly impact how youexperience and manage.
(30:50):
Definitely, definitely I agree.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I, I, I 100 agree with you.
I 100 agree with you because ifyou're like we're human, we're
human.
So you know of course we'regoing to get down about our pain
, of course you know we're human.
But you know we have to try ourbest To lift ourselves up and
(31:14):
just try to be thankful For thethings that we still can do.
Like I thank God that I canstill walk, I thank God that I
can still walk, I thank God thatI can still be independent and
dry, you know, like just thelittle things.
Like we have to find thepositive in the pain, because if
we don't, it can bring us to avery tragic place, you know.
(31:39):
So we have to find the positive.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
So attitude, definitely, most definitely I
agree, you go into that darkplace.
You can run when people talk toyou.
Yeah, that mindset is not justbeing mean and.
I see a lot of people Becausewhen I went through the whole
process of cancer right so I hadsurgery I was going through
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chemo and a lot of people thatlive in this apartment were
saying Sherry, you don't havethe attitude that a lot of
people have, that's goingthrough, that you're so positive
and upbeat and you feel so goodand you just don't have that
attitude and I was.
I was thankful, like you said, Iam because I'm able to walk and
(32:29):
smile and yeah, it's all.
It's all family and it's allgod.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So yeah, amen, I mean it's natural we're humans it's
natural to get angry.
Amen, attitude, definitely, Imean it's natural.
We're humans.
It's natural to feel angry,it's natural to feel depressed.
That's all natural Because oursituation.
But we must try to find somepositives, focus on the things
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that we can do.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Ayetta, Before we wrap this up, girl, I gotta ask
you a question.
I know you are a sports fanaticGo New York.
So everybody, I wanted you topay attention to Aiyetta's gear
on her Bitmoji.
She got her team on there.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
My ladies.
We're going to the World Series.
I just know it, it's been since2009.
We're going to the World Series.
I just know it, it's been since2009.
We're going to the World Series, probably against the
Philadelphia Phillies, and we'regoing to take the Philadelphia
Phillies down.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
So during the cold seasons, Aiyetta does not talk
to anybody on Saturdays andSundays, that's right, it's
football.
It's all about football.
I got to catch her on Monday,maybe, maybe not.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Maybe not Monday.
That's on post game stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I got to catch her on Wednesday.
So what starts around wintertime?
So it's the football right.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Football is in full swing right now.
College football started theend of August.
Who's your college footballteam?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
The Georgia.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Bulldogs, go Bulldogs , and we're doing it in Alabama
tomorrow at 7.30 pm on ABC, andthat is the biggest game this
weekend.
They're talking about it on allmy sports shows.
And no go Bulldogs, All my dogs.
I'm making sure I stay awake.
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I'm not taking my musclerelaxers till after the game.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Pain be damned.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm not missing that game, I'm not missing that game.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Now, who is your professional, your NBA team?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Oh, my New York Knicks, my New York.
I am New York all the way.
Well, except for the GeorgiaCollege team, which I root for
the Georgia Kings.
But other than that, I root formy New York Knicks.
Basketball is actually myfavorite sport.
I'm a football fanatic too, butbasketball was my firstball is
actually my favorite sport.
I'm a football fanatic too, butbasketball was my first.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
You don't know that the way you watch the ball.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, basketball was my first sport.
That's why and that goes wayback to the early 90s and all
that and I'm a diehard Knicksfan we haven't won a
championship since 1973, when Iwas five years old and I wasn't
watching it then.
So it would mean the world tome and millions of New York fans
to see our New York Knicks wina championship sometime,
(35:25):
sometime.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
But you're a diehard Even though they're not doing
good, you're still going downwith them.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I'm a diehard Giants fan, even though I watch the
Buffalo Bills and get excitedabout them because I live in
upstate.
New York now they watch theBuffalo Bills and get excited
about them.
Because I live in upstate NewYork now they air all the Bills
games.
So I got excited watching itbecause I just love football.
Yeah, my sports, that's anotherthing.
My sports help me tremendously.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I was going to ask you that all the energy that
came from you, and I justmentioned sports yeah, sports
helps me through my pain.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Sports helps a lot of people, yeah, with physical
ailments that they're goingthrough.
Sports actually brings peopletogether, like how politics,
especially now, divide people,so much sports brings.
You should see sports, itbrings people together, no
matter what race you are, nomatter what religion you are.
It brings people together andthat's the way it should be.
(36:27):
You know it should be that way.
But, yes, sports is my outletand general hospital, of course,
but sports is definitely myoutlet Of my truth.
Yeah, I know you think that theworst actors Win it.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
The best actors on planet earth share oh god,
doggone it we're all hospitalpeople again, every day between
two and three, do not disturbieta okay, monday friday it
could be a nuclear war going on.
Hold on, stop.
Don't push that button yetuntil after three.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Hold on, watch a general hospital, but sports
definitely, like you can be in atrue change.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You can be in a general hospital.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yes, I can be in excruciating pain and I watch my
sports and I'm like, especiallyif my team is winning, I'm
instantly.
It's like what pain.
Instantly it's like what pain.
Yes, you forget about it forthe moment because you enjoy it
makes you happy.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes, you're cheering along.
No, no, who's your favoriteplayer on the bulldogs?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
oh, my favorite player on the bulldogs I'm not
sure yet so far as thequarterback beck.
I forget his first name.
I forget his first name, butit's I'm having my cedar moment
right now.
I forget his first name.
He's an excellent QB.
Maybe one day he can play forthe New York Giants, because we
are in desperate need of aquarterback.
(37:48):
For the past four years, for thepast four years.
We're in desperate need of aquarterback.
Put it this way the GeorgiaBulldogs can beat my Giants at
this point, okay, and the Giantsare the pros If they play.
I truly agree with that.
That's how bad my Giants are.
The bulldogs can beat my giantsat this point, okay, and the
giants are the pros if theyplayed.
I shouldn't read that that'show bad my giants are, but I
(38:08):
still.
I'm a writer dot giants fan, soit's okay.
Yes, you are.
This is my next, just like mynick yankees writer dot.
I root for my home teams, mynew york teams.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Did you ever like the eagles?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
york teams.
But did you ever like theeagles?
You lived here.
Oh hell, no.
In fact, when I was working,when I was working and my giants
won the super bowl, I walkedaround the office with the giant
super bowl banner and I workedin philadelphia with all eagle
fans.
They were looking at me likedone with you.
They were like I'm good, I hateyou guys.
They were like I hate you.
They were like I hate you.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It was like security.
Can you ask for her help?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I walked around holding my Superbowl banner way
up high around the office.
I didn't care if I got introuble.
And I think you did, and I saiddon't worry, your team will win
one one day.
They finally did.
Your team will win one one day.
They finally did.
They finally did get one SuperBowl.
My Giants had four.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Oh, oh, oh, they were going there, huh.
So right now you're for eachteam, so let's talk about
basketball.
Who's your favorite player for?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
your Knicks, my Knicks, my Knicks, it would be.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Jalen Brunson right now.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Okay, jalen Brunson, brunson, yeah, brunson, my
Giants it would be.
Oh my God, this season it isMalik Nevers.
He is a rookie and, like theysaid this morning On my sports
show, malik has only been in theGiants 11 minutes and he's
(39:44):
already the best player.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Wow, it didn't take long.
That tells me that the teamEven though I don't know what's
going on- my Giants are reallybad.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I think New York I've been saying this for the past
few years New York for somereason, when it comes to sports,
has this permanent black cloudover it.
I don't know why, but it does.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
They're going to surprise you this season.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
But it will lift, I believe.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Maybe in another four years.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, my Knicks have a great team.
My Knicks have a great team, myKnicks have a great team right
now and they're getting ready tostart basketball season in two
weeks, in October, in the secondweek.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I love this time of year because sports come back.
All your favorite sports islike your football and your
basketball Everything comes backto them.
I don't think you just watchwho wins baseball.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, I root for the Yankees, though I lose to my
Yankees, and we're doing great.
We're doing great and I'mhoping we go to the World Series
and win it.
It's been since 2009.
Let's go, yankees, let's go,let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
That's why I haven't changed my bitmoji picture.
Yet from my yankees uniform tothe giant or to the bulls
because you be doing stuff thebills the bills.
When you say no, I don't knowwhat I'm talking about, but I
gotta be switching teams whenone makes her upset.
I'm very emotional I cannot bein your apartment while you're
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watching any football orbasketball.
I know your neighbors mustthink you're crazy oh my god.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Thank god I have really nice neighbors.
Thank god because tomorrow is ageorgia bulldog alabama game at
7 30 at night.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
It's going to be is that tonight, tomorrow night,
tomorrow night?
Okay, they're home from work,so there's no problem there.
Abc, abc, there you go, abc.
I don't even know, I look.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I'll be watching.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I'll be watching something else.
I don't know.
I'll be watching something.
You'll be Learning some morepodcast stuff.
You'll be hearing me.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You'll be hearing me Learning from my bulldogs All
the way to PA From New York.
I do hear you, I do.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I already hear you.
So, aiyada, I'm going to thankyou so, so much for coming and
talking about chronic pain andtalking about the misconceptions
of simple things like attitude.
We attract the positive If wehave a better attitude.
Attitude, we feel good aboutourselves during that day yes,
of course and weight loss isdefinitely a great contributor
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to deviating absolutely exactlyyour joints.
So yes and we all know mypodcast is about breast cancer
and it's also about just helpingother people, so yeah, before
we go.
We all know what sherry likes tosay early detection is the best
detection.
(42:45):
Haven't got it done, get itdone.
And if you had it done.
Schedule for next year so untilthen, ladies, please have a
great cup of tea.
Bye.
Hi, my name is Sherry and welcome to my podcast
Silver T, and this podcast isabout living with chronic pain,
and in some of my other videos Italked about how I live with
chronic pain and I wanted toknow from some of you, from some
of my audience here, how do youmanage your chronic pain.
(00:35):
And I have a special guest, oneof my very dear friends.
Her name is aieta and she liveswith chronic pain and we're
going to ask her a couplequestions, maybe they can be
useful to you, and how to manageyour pain or, if you've been
through this experience, whatare you doing?
So, again, I ask you to pleaseleave your comments below.
(00:56):
So, aieta, thank you for comingto the show and I gotta please
say hi to the audience herehello, everybody hello so I had
a.
I want to ask you, like what isthe root of your pain?
I mean, we're going to startwith that so we can lead into
(01:17):
other things.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I think that's very important to where the pain
comes from.
It actually started stemmed allfrom.
I'm a post-scoliosis surgerypatient.
I had surgery back in July of1981.
I actually remember the exactdate, july 2nd of 1981.
And I had a wonderful surgeon.
I was 13 years old but Iremember I had a wonderful
(01:43):
surgeon, very kind man named DrStanley Hoppenfeld, and he used
back then.
The way they did the surgery wasthey used what they call a
Harrington rod.
They stopped using that rodback in the late 80s and my
surgery was in 81, because theywere realizing there were
(02:06):
problems long time, uh, problemsthat the patient can suffer
with a Harrington rod.
So that's why they stoppedusing it.
But I already had the surgerysince it was done in 81 and they
also completely fused my spinefrom the top of the spine all
the way down to like L5 S1.
(02:27):
So there's no movement at allwith that most of my spine.
So because over the years, sinceevery move I make is only from
below the L5 S1 level, everymove I make Is causing Trauma.
(02:47):
Yes, it's putting a lot of therod itself puts a lot of
pressure on the spine and thenHaving total spinal fusion when
every move Somebody that didn'thave back surgery.
Every move they make issupported by their entire spine,
whereas every move I make issupported by their entire spine,
whereas every move I make isonly supported by the very
(03:09):
bottom of my spine, causing allthe pain to surface in my lower
back area now, ariana, when yousaid you had the surgery, they
finished your spine, so did they?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
did they fuse it like during the surgery, or did this
kind of fuse over time?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
No, they fused it at that time during the surgery.
In fact, dr Hoppenfeld told myparents and I that during the
surgery he will wake me up outof that anesthesia to ask me to
move my legs Because you canbecome paralyzed from this
(03:47):
surgery.
So he has to let.
He had to let my parents and Iknow that I remember.
I remember that I don'tremember waking up because what
was weird was it was once ittook me, like they said it took.
The nurses said it took me abouttwo days to come out of the
anesthesia because the surgerywas very long.
(04:08):
My mom said it was like six,seven hour surgery.
So, um, and my, my poor motherwas so scared and nervous.
She told me waiting and um, andso I asked dr hopfeld.
I remember I asked him did youwake me up?
Because I don't remember that.
Did you wake me up to see if Icould move my legs?
(04:32):
And I remember he said yes, Idid.
I woke you up and you were mywonderful little girl and you
moved your legs perfectly.
That's what he said.
I remember everything.
Wow, that's amazing yeah, I wasscared when he told me that he
(05:00):
was gonna wake me up during.
My parents were scared too, youknow, because you can become
paralyzed dealing with the spine, so it can, of course, it could
cause you to be paralyzed sothere was no guarantee that you
were going to walk exactly yesnow.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
You've been living with this chronic pain for how
many years now?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
well, let me say this you've been okay.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
So you had the surgery, but how long have you
been living with the chronicpain?
Because I remember when I metyou, you were a very active
person.
Yes, 20, what was it?
2017?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
no, it was actually uh.
No, it was in the beginning,like 2009, because I moved into
2009 and that's when I startedhaving the pain.
I actually started having thepain when I was living in
atlanta, georgia.
Okay, because I left atlantageorgia in march, like towards
the end of march 2009, but in2000, like the beginning of 2009
(06:02):
, I started experiencing lowback pain, like zero pain.
From 81 all the way till 2009,zero pain.
I was able to live my life andeverything you know work, be at
the gym, being active, havingsocial life, all of that, yeah,
and then when I startedexperiencing like these twinge
(06:22):
twinge type of pain in my lowerback, I attributed it to I was
sitting, I was working 12 hourdays in atlanta, so I just
attributed it to that.
You thought that's what it was,all that sitting.
Yeah, I thought it was all thatsitting.
Yes, because I wasn't the onlyone complaining about low back
hurting, so we were wouldstretch in our cubicle, so.
But the pain got worse when Icame back to Pennsylvania in
(06:46):
March and then I had to see umoh no, I remember I was doing my
step aerobics class.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Ah, you see, that's what I mean.
You were at, you were out there, yes.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I came back to Pennsylvania and I went back to
and then all of a sudden and Idon't stop, 60 minutes straight
high cardio, I don't stop All ofa sudden I felt the sharpest
pain in my lower back.
I got scared, I was, and evenmy instructor, cause he knows I
don't stop.
My instructor said are you okay?
(07:19):
I said I don't know.
I don't know.
I got scared.
I thought my rod came loose.
That's what I, that's the firstthing I thought of, because I
never experienced that sharp ofa pain.
But I didn't go to theemergency room until two days
later and I could barely walk.
I could barely walk.
At that point.
(07:39):
I was terrified that my rodcame loose.
How long has that been nowsince that whole?
That was in April.
That was sometime in April of2009.
Oh, so we almost Gone on like15 years.
15 years, wow.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
So, so I mean.
So how has I mean, how has itaffected your daily life?
Now, because I know, like Isaid, when I met you, you were
active.
You were always going, and itseemed like it has really
impacted what you do every day.
So did you?
Like did you start slowing downon things?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
yes, everything came to a halt.
That's everything like my wholelife changed before my eyes.
Everything came to a halt.
I could no longer do my stepaerobics.
I couldn't even be at the gymanymore Because it was.
The pain was so bad, itliterally affected you doing the
most simplest Task of dailyliving, like taking a shower,
(08:40):
brushing your teeth, doingdishes, and I never Experienced
that.
And I never experienced that,yes, and I never experienced
that.
Yes, yes, we don't realize thatwe're taking advantage because
it's just something you do everyday, and so I.
You know I was.
(09:00):
Of course, you know you getfeeling depressed.
It's like you can't do what youused to do anymore, like
everything has changed.
I had to be under painmanagement doctors.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, and that's not good.
So I'm glad you said you weredepressed.
So what strategies did you useto help you cope with this
emotional and psychologicalimpact from this client?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I'm not going to lie.
It was very difficult.
It brought me to a very darkplace.
It brought me to a very I'm notgonna lie, it brought me to a
very dark place.
I did disability claims.
I'm a disability claimsexaminer by my career.
That was what I did, and Iwould speak to claimants that
were in chronic pain and theywould tell me.
(09:45):
They would cry on the phone tome.
They would be so down, you knowthey had a full life and then
chronic pain came and it justchanges your life, just like
that.
Yeah, and and my heart would go.
I felt compassion, my heartwould break for these people.
I couldn't even imagine whatthey were going through.
And now I was living it.
And now I was living it.
And if it wasn't for God andJesus and praying, there was no
(10:10):
way I would have gotten throughit.
There was no way, there wasabsolutely no way I would have
gotten through it.
It's because of God and Jesusand praying.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And I believe having that family support.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh, it's very important.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And good friends being in your life will help
support you.
Yes, it's so important To havethat support.
It's very important.
Yes, good friends being in yourlife to help support you.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yes, it's so important to have that support.
It's so important.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Now Ayed, you were very, very thin when I first met
you, so because you were Idon't know about very thin you
were were my neighbor but I usedto see you outside.
(10:54):
You would be walking around acomplex with your friends they
would come by it was so funny,but you were then.
So it, over time, when you,when you slowed down and
depression, gained weight, youalso gained weight too as well,
right, oh?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
yes, easily, and I never thought I could reach the
weight that I reached my weight.
I was over 200, at one point,even a little over 200.
And I was shocked.
I said is this scale correct?
Like I was always 135.
Like 135, 140, you know, and itwas so.
It was mind-boggling that I hitthe scale that you want to,
(11:30):
because when you, when you feeldown like that, what do you turn
to?
You turn to food.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, to come for you .
Yeah, stress eating so much ofthat.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Chips, pringles, everything candy like just it
would cheer me up.
Everything candy like just itwould cheer me up.
But it was like your friend.
Yeah, it comforted me, it mademe feel happy, but the bad part
is the pounds went up.
Yes, they did, they did whichmakes the pain worse, which is
not healthy.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, I have probably pain, so I I don't understand
where you're coming from becauseI I don't like to do too much.
You're in so much pain.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I slow down a lot.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I was out there.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Like I'm a person and I said this in my video, my
podcast, when I did it withStephen how I would be in 20
things at one time and I wouldbe managing all of them.
But as the pain came.
I just slowed down.
Doing all that stuff I wasdoing.
I would have to jump in andfinish it up, or he'll just do
(12:40):
whatever with it Because I waslike I'm done.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I can't even move.
It's unbelievable how likechronic pain can literally like
stop you in your tracks doingthe most simplest of things very
sweeping.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Wait, okay, let's talk about how does it.
That's how it affects us.
We can't even, uh, quality oflife or our normal routines are
now affected.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Sweeping the floor yeah, when I vacuum, when I back
, I have carpeting, I water oncarpeting and I have to vacuum.
Yeah, I never, like I neverthought vacuuming could be so
difficult, like because I usedto vacuum my whole life and it's
you know.
Now it's literally considered acardio workout for me.
I'll be vacuuming and Iliterally have to break it down.
(13:24):
You've been to my apartment.
It's big, so I literally I'mtrying to vacuum the living room
and the dining room and theother two and I literally have
to break it down.
You've been to my apartment.
It's big, so I literally I'mtrying to vacuum the living room
and the dining room and theother two bedrooms there, like
all in one day, and I realized Ican't do it.
The pain got so bad I couldn'teven put my body erect like
straight, straight up.
I have to, like I'm bent overand I have to do it really
really slow.
So do it really really slow?
(13:49):
So I realized when you havechronic pain, you you know what
you can and can't do and I knowthat I can only vacuum one room
at a time and that's okay, andthat's okay, at least they get
done.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I think it's okay too .
There's a smaller task toconquer them, to complete them.
They're out the way and today.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Those are accomplishments yeah and you'll
get it.
You'll get it done.
Just do it what you'll learn tolive with what your
restrictions and limitations areon a daily basis yeah, yes, I
agree with you, so.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So I mean, what advice would you give to those
who are struggling with chronicpain and dealing with medication
and the side effects ofmedication, because medication
kind of turns into what we usenow just to give us a quality of
life, we have to take medicine.
So and I try, I know for me Itry to mix it between natural
(14:40):
and big pharma.
So I usually try to try naturalherbs or drink teas that help
with pain, so do you haveanything that you would like to
add?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Well, unfortunately, I haven't tried anything natural
.
Yeah, but I am on a lot ofmedications since 2009.
And I honestly you know, know Iwas just telling my friend
today I honestly can't standbeing on medications anymore.
I really hate taking all youknow, I'm 56 years old.
(15:17):
I've been on these meds for 15years.
They've increased the number ofmilligrams, so I'm on much
stronger milligrams now, muchhigher and and much stronger
muscle relaxers now, painmedications and you know, I know
all these medicines affect ourorgans.
Of course it does, and thatthat concerns me.
(15:38):
That worries me.
That worries me a lot.
I tried the medical marijuana.
I did.
I tried it.
I got, I just got certified theend of March and I figured that
would help because I heard alot of positive things about it
and it's not harsh on yourorgans like the medications.
But I tried it.
I tried different things and,um of the medical marijuana, it
(16:01):
did not help me.
Unfortunately, it does not helpme with my pain at all.
I was very disappointed BecauseI wanted to find something more
natural and hopefully get offmy pain meds, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
And those pain meds.
They make you dizzy.
I think, you had a couple ofTimes when the medicine was so
strong.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I felt, yeah, the muscle relaxers, because the
muscle relaxers I'm supposed totake three times a day, um, but
I didn't like the feeling ofbeing so sleepy all day long.
I'm on disability and I may behome, but I don't like feeling
that way because I have choresto do, I may have to go out and
drive and that's not safe.
(16:44):
So so I take the one musclerelaxer in the morning and two
at night, since I'm going to bed.
It'll help me sleep.
But if I don't get in the bedwithin 60 minutes after taking
it, you know you fall asleepstanding up and then you drop.
Thank God I've never hurtmyself.
Thank God that's never happened.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But you know to get in the bed yeah, get in the bed.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Often takes your meds .
Get in the bed.
That's what you have to do.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I like, I like that you were saying that you don't.
And I'm the same way.
I don't like taking themedicine all like they prescribe
it, because I, I work and I I,yeah, you want it, yeah, I don't
know and I have to be alert.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I'm issuing checks and money to this people.
I have to make sure I'm issuingthe correct amount.
Yeah, so you have to be alert.
I thank God I wasn't on any ofthese meds when I was working,
you know, thank God, because,because you have to be, I always
tell you that, sheri, like youhave to be awake.
You work full time.
There's no way like how can youdo it with taking medication?
You can't.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You can't.
It has to be difficult and Ihad situations where I said you
know what lunchtime is here?
I'm going to go lay down forlunch, yeah, and that sometimes
Helps me Like in the afternoon Iwill wake up.
But I've been drinking teas andone of my podcasts I talk about
how I use the teas Formedicinal purposes.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
All this medication.
Like I said, I don't take itthe way.
I take less than what they'reasking me to take.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's what I do.
I don't like that feeling.
I don't take it the way I.
I take less than what they'reasking me to take.
That's what I.
That's what I do.
Yeah, I don't like that feeling.
I don't like it either likeyeah, I don't have any control
over myself, so I don't exactly.
Yeah, I don't like it either solet me um.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So there are some common misconceptions about
chronic pain and I wanted toactually talk about something
because this is my experienceand I wanted if you experienced
some of, because this is myexperience and I wonder if you
experienced some of these thingsbecause I know how you eat and
you still lose weight, becausenow you're on a, you're on a
little weight loss journey herewithout trying, but I'm losing
weight without every time I goto the doctor.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
I lost more weight I lost.
My friend just asked me theother day did you lose more
weight?
You said I look thinner and Isaid what I do, I was.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So I've lost literally 30 pounds in two years
without dieting that that'samazing, because I gained about
30 pounds and I tried.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I don't know how I'm not going to I don't know how if
I'm happy, but I'm nervous too.
I hope nothing else is going on.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Me too, me too, that's what I was worried about.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But my doctor does blood work on me like every few
months, so if they saw something, they would tell me.
Yes, they would tell you.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
They look at all that .
They look at all these and see.
One time I went to theemergency room and the doctor
said that they look for certainthings that tell them if there's
an infection in the body.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Because of certain hormones that are high and
they're not supposed to be.
Yeah, so, yeah.
So while your doctor's doingblood work, he's probably
looking for all of that Exactly.
So what's your weight loss?
Now?
I noticed this so exactly.
So what's your weight loss?
Now?
I noticed this.
What's your weight loss?
Do you feel that it helps youwith your pain?
(20:12):
Do you notice a little bit ofalleviation of the pain when you
lose a little weight?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
absolutely, I've noticed it, I really have,
because you know how I noticedit.
I noticed that I lost 30 poundsin about two years and I can
actually bend and wipe the floorbecause I wipe my bathroom
floor every day.
I wipe it and I bend and Iwasn't able to do that before.
I could not, like I could do itfor like two seconds, three
(20:39):
seconds, and it would hurt sobad.
And I just like wiping my floordown because hair and stuff,
you know, get my hair getseverywhere.
So I just like wiping my floordown because hair and stuff, you
know, get my hair getseverywhere.
So I just like wiping it downevery day and I can reach behind
the toilet.
Now you know how hard it is toreach behind the toilet.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I can't believe people we don't realize that I
didn't know how hard it was, butyes, it is really hard to reach
behind the toilet to clean, toclean behind, and dust
accumulates there.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So I like to wipe it down.
So now I can wipe it downwithout excruciating pain.
I have pain but it's notexcruciating.
And so with the 30-pound weightloss now, I mean I still have
chronic pain.
I still have chronic pain.
Of course that's unfortunate,but I'm able to do more.
(21:30):
Yeah, I feel like I can movebetter with, you know, with the
weight loss, because having moreweight on our body I mean it's
not a good thing.
It puts pressure on our joints.
It's really bad.
I've seen it a billion times ondisability claims.
Even the smallest amount, yeah,it affects our knees, our back,
(21:53):
our hips.
You know, even for somebodythat never had any surgery,
that's just normal it's going toaffect your joints, your joints
exactly.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
But when you lose the weight, you can do more.
Exactly, and that was thecommon misconception.
They think oh, I lose weightbefore, it's not going to help
me with my pain, but it does.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
It really does and the doctors encourage you.
The doctors encourage you tolose the weight.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And be active.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yes, and all I want to do is be able to walk
Something so simple as walkingExactly.
I wouldn't be able to do that,and I could walk if I have my
shopping cart with me, if I havea shopping cart.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
You could walk down the sidewalk.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Support.
Yeah, it helps support when Iwalk the shopping cart and then
when my pain like flares up inmy legs, I can like stretch,
stop the cart and stretch.
You know, using the cart assupport I can do that.
But walking like just by myself, yeah, unfortunately, even with
the weight loss, I cannot do itbecause my legs go numb and
(23:06):
it's so painful because so Ijust I did it.
Pressure from the fused?
Yeah, they in fact.
When I saw my pain doctor juston the September 18th, I said to
him, doc, like this pain justis, this is 2009.
It's just gotten so much worseover the years.
And he said, unfortunately,with being a post-coliosis
(23:30):
patient, post-coliosis surgery,the rod same thing I've heard
before the rod putting pressureon my spine, 24, 7 uh total
spinal fusion.
And he said I have a lot ofsevere narrowing which is from
the spinal stenosis.
So even when I go for myprocedures, my pain management
(23:52):
procedures, epidural burning ofthe nerves yeah, it takes them a
little longer because of thesevere narrowing in my spinal
canal from the, it's all puttingI have bones first to all of
that Just bulging.
So all of that combined, hesaid, is putting pressure on my
(24:14):
nerves, pressing on my nerves,causing the pain to shoot from
my lower back to my right, myhip, down my leg.
Yeah, unfortunately.
But he said, as long as we keepdoing the pain management.
And I said I said, listen, Ihaven't had my epidural since my
(24:34):
right side epidural done foreight months.
He said you cannot go eightmonths again, you cannot.
So but that's them trying tofit me in for appointments.
You know what I mean.
It's not like I'd say yeah.
It's not like I say I want togo eight months.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's supposed to be doneevery three to four months.
Yeah, so I'm already like twomonths behind.
(24:54):
Like you know, two proceduresbehind schedule, and I still got
to get my left side done too.
Yeah, so I'm going October 7th.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I'm playing games sometimes.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I know they're saying you cannot go eight months
again.
I'm like it's not like I said,I want to go this long.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, it's not my choice.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's when you guys fit me in.
You know what I mean Exactly.
But if I stay, if I can stay ontop of it, like it cares but you
know yeah, and if I can get myprocedures done regularly, like
they're supposed to, I believemy pain will decrease and I'll
(25:35):
be able to live a better qualityof life, because that's what
pain patients want are to live abetter quality of life, because
that's all pain patients wantare to live a better quality of
life.
I got my hand up.
I used to see that all the timeon disability claims.
That's all they want.
They're not asking for much.
Just to go for a walk yes, Iwould love to be able to walk
(25:56):
without a shopping cart.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Exactly, speaking of a shopping cart, mom does not
like shopping.
I mean, I mean not the shoppingcart she doesn't like to get in
, the little little cart thosescooters, oh I'll be in a
scooter, I think we need adriver's license for that.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
I don't know if I could.
I probably crash intoeverything.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I don't know well, you can back up, do your k-turn
in an hour, you know you're mysister.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Can I reverse my car?
I mean seriously.
You witnessed you and your momwitnessed it first and still.
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Even poor steven.
(27:00):
Steven, can I back up?
You got like a whole.
Not, steven, can I back up yourcar?
You got like a whole anothercar you can back up.
That's not even there.
You sure she got a gyro gliderfor me.
I don't know, maybe you don'tbelieve that don't belong in
that scooter.
I might have to say I've neverused that scooter.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I know it's not allowed in the scooter.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Have you ever used that scooter?
I did, I do.
Sometimes my pain is so badI'll get in one.
Is it difficult to drive?
It's not.
You just don't go too fast.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So I'll be zooming in does it give you directions on
it?
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
It shows you how to put which one to push it go
forward, which one to push theback up, and it's easy to
maneuver sometimes I really do,I'll admit.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
My girlfriend told me , probably two years ago,
because she uses, she sufferswith chronic pain too.
She lives in Philadelphia, sheuses the scooter.
She's a few years older than usand she said Ayana, there's
nothing to be ashamed of usingthe scooter.
I told her these are badstudents.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
But people, that's what they're there for.
There's nothing wrong with thescooter, because I'm going to
tell you, people are so willingto help you when you're in that
scooter.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I've worked people in a scooter.
I've seen them.
Do you need something on thetop shelf?
Do you need something?
Speaker 1 (28:23):
for them.
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I get whenever I'min the scooter.
People are so like we thinkthere's not a lot of nice people
in the world today, but thereare.
They're there, they're runningand they're trying to help you
with whatever.
You're trying to reach this andreach that.
Or sometimes, if a person isbehind me in a scooter, I try to
(28:45):
help put this stuff on aconveyor belt.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
So, yeah, yeah, and speaking of nice people, I
remember I was in Walmart herein Utica one day, in Walmart
here in Utica one day I think Itold you this a few years ago
and my leg flared up in severepain that I could barely get out
of Walmart and I had to likedrag my right leg.
(29:11):
By the time I got outside theWalmart, I was completely in
tears and a lady came over to me.
She said, oh no, are you okay?
And a lady came over to me.
She said, oh no, are you okay?
And a gentleman came up to me.
Not only did they stay with meuntil my pain eased up, they
offered to drive to get my carand bring it over to me so I
(29:34):
didn't have to walk over therelike they were so terrible in
the world.
Yeah, they were so caring andthat gave me hope.
I couldn't thank them enoughfor that and that really gave me
hope that, wow, there werestill nice, genuine people out
here, despite everything goingon, especially in this country.
They were strangers, they werestrangers and they stayed with
(29:57):
me Until my pain alleviated.
They didn't have to do that.
I was really touched by that.
I'll never forget that there'sstill good people out there
there really are.
We're one of them.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
We see these people.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
If I saw somebody crying, I want to help them.
That's what humans should do.
Yeah, I'll go over and see ifthere's anything I can do to
help you.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yes, get you anything .
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah.
So let me ask this you always,most of the time, I have taught
you not great moves, but somepeople think that attitude
doesn't affect your pain.
But I disagree with that.
A positive mindset and coping,coping strategies can
significantly impact how youexperience and manage.
(30:50):
Definitely, definitely I agree.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I, I, I 100 agree with you.
I 100 agree with you because ifyou're like we're human, we're
human.
So you know of course we'regoing to get down about our pain
, of course you know we're human.
But you know we have to try ourbest To lift ourselves up and
(31:14):
just try to be thankful For thethings that we still can do.
Like I thank God that I canstill walk, I thank God that I
can still walk, I thank God thatI can still be independent and
dry, you know, like just thelittle things.
Like we have to find thepositive in the pain, because if
we don't, it can bring us to avery tragic place, you know.
(31:39):
So we have to find the positive.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
So attitude, definitely, most definitely I
agree, you go into that darkplace.
You can run when people talk toyou.
Yeah, that mindset is not justbeing mean and.
I see a lot of people Becausewhen I went through the whole
process of cancer right so I hadsurgery I was going through
(32:05):
chemo and a lot of people thatlive in this apartment were
saying Sherry, you don't havethe attitude that a lot of
people have, that's goingthrough, that you're so positive
and upbeat and you feel so goodand you just don't have that
attitude and I was.
I was thankful, like you said, Iam because I'm able to walk and
(32:29):
smile and yeah, it's all.
It's all family and it's allgod.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
So yeah, amen, I mean it's natural we're humans it's
natural to get angry.
Amen, attitude, definitely, Imean it's natural.
We're humans.
It's natural to feel angry,it's natural to feel depressed.
That's all natural Because oursituation.
But we must try to find somepositives, focus on the things
(32:58):
that we can do.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Ayetta, Before we wrap this up, girl, I gotta ask
you a question.
I know you are a sports fanaticGo New York.
So everybody, I wanted you topay attention to Aiyetta's gear
on her Bitmoji.
She got her team on there.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
My ladies.
We're going to the World Series.
I just know it, it's been since2009.
We're going to the World Series.
I just know it, it's been since2009.
We're going to the World Series, probably against the
Philadelphia Phillies, and we'regoing to take the Philadelphia
Phillies down.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
So during the cold seasons, Aiyetta does not talk
to anybody on Saturdays andSundays, that's right, it's
football.
It's all about football.
I got to catch her on Monday,maybe, maybe not.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Maybe not Monday.
That's on post game stuff.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I got to catch her on Wednesday.
So what starts around wintertime?
So it's the football right.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Football is in full swing right now.
College football started theend of August.
Who's your college footballteam?
Speaker 1 (34:06):
The Georgia.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Bulldogs, go Bulldogs , and we're doing it in Alabama
tomorrow at 7.30 pm on ABC, andthat is the biggest game this
weekend.
They're talking about it on allmy sports shows.
And no go Bulldogs, All my dogs.
I'm making sure I stay awake.
(34:27):
I'm not taking my musclerelaxers till after the game.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Pain be damned.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I'm not missing that game, I'm not missing that game.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Now, who is your professional, your NBA team?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Oh, my New York Knicks, my New York.
I am New York all the way.
Well, except for the GeorgiaCollege team, which I root for
the Georgia Kings.
But other than that, I root formy New York Knicks.
Basketball is actually myfavorite sport.
I'm a football fanatic too, butbasketball was my firstball is
actually my favorite sport.
I'm a football fanatic too, butbasketball was my first.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
You don't know that the way you watch the ball.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah, basketball was my first sport.
That's why and that goes wayback to the early 90s and all
that and I'm a diehard Knicksfan we haven't won a
championship since 1973, when Iwas five years old and I wasn't
watching it then.
So it would mean the world tome and millions of New York fans
to see our New York Knicks wina championship sometime,
(35:25):
sometime.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
But you're a diehard Even though they're not doing
good, you're still going downwith them.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I'm a diehard Giants fan, even though I watch the
Buffalo Bills and get excitedabout them because I live in
upstate.
New York now they watch theBuffalo Bills and get excited
about them.
Because I live in upstate NewYork now they air all the Bills
games.
So I got excited watching itbecause I just love football.
Yeah, my sports, that's anotherthing.
My sports help me tremendously.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I was going to ask you that all the energy that
came from you, and I justmentioned sports yeah, sports
helps me through my pain.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Sports helps a lot of people, yeah, with physical
ailments that they're goingthrough.
Sports actually brings peopletogether, like how politics,
especially now, divide people,so much sports brings.
You should see sports, itbrings people together, no
matter what race you are, nomatter what religion you are.
It brings people together andthat's the way it should be.
(36:27):
You know it should be that way.
But, yes, sports is my outletand general hospital, of course,
but sports is definitely myoutlet Of my truth.
Yeah, I know you think that theworst actors Win it.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
The best actors on planet earth share oh god,
doggone it we're all hospitalpeople again, every day between
two and three, do not disturbieta okay, monday friday it
could be a nuclear war going on.
Hold on, stop.
Don't push that button yetuntil after three.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Hold on, watch a general hospital, but sports
definitely, like you can be in atrue change.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You can be in a general hospital.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yes, I can be in excruciating pain and I watch my
sports and I'm like, especiallyif my team is winning, I'm
instantly.
It's like what pain.
Instantly it's like what pain.
Yes, you forget about it forthe moment because you enjoy it
makes you happy.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes, you're cheering along.
No, no, who's your favoriteplayer on the bulldogs?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
oh, my favorite player on the bulldogs I'm not
sure yet so far as thequarterback beck.
I forget his first name.
I forget his first name, butit's I'm having my cedar moment
right now.
I forget his first name.
He's an excellent QB.
Maybe one day he can play forthe New York Giants, because we
are in desperate need of aquarterback.
(37:48):
For the past four years, for thepast four years.
We're in desperate need of aquarterback.
Put it this way the GeorgiaBulldogs can beat my Giants at
this point, okay, and the Giantsare the pros If they play.
I truly agree with that.
That's how bad my Giants are.
The bulldogs can beat my giantsat this point, okay, and the
giants are the pros if theyplayed.
I shouldn't read that that'show bad my giants are, but I
(38:08):
still.
I'm a writer dot giants fan, soit's okay.
Yes, you are.
This is my next, just like mynick yankees writer dot.
I root for my home teams, mynew york teams.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Did you ever like the eagles?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
york teams.
But did you ever like theeagles?
You lived here.
Oh hell, no.
In fact, when I was working,when I was working and my giants
won the super bowl, I walkedaround the office with the giant
super bowl banner and I workedin philadelphia with all eagle
fans.
They were looking at me likedone with you.
They were like I'm good, I hateyou guys.
They were like I hate you.
They were like I hate you.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It was like security.
Can you ask for her help?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
I walked around holding my Superbowl banner way
up high around the office.
I didn't care if I got introuble.
And I think you did, and I saiddon't worry, your team will win
one one day.
They finally did.
Your team will win one one day.
They finally did.
They finally did get one SuperBowl.
My Giants had four.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Oh, oh, oh, they were going there, huh.
So right now you're for eachteam, so let's talk about
basketball.
Who's your favorite player for?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
your Knicks, my Knicks, my Knicks, it would be.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Jalen Brunson right now.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Okay, jalen Brunson, brunson, yeah, brunson, my
Giants it would be.
Oh my God, this season it isMalik Nevers.
He is a rookie and, like theysaid this morning On my sports
show, malik has only been in theGiants 11 minutes and he's
(39:44):
already the best player.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Wow, it didn't take long.
That tells me that the teamEven though I don't know what's
going on- my Giants are reallybad.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
I think New York I've been saying this for the past
few years New York for somereason, when it comes to sports,
has this permanent black cloudover it.
I don't know why, but it does.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
They're going to surprise you this season.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
But it will lift, I believe.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Maybe in another four years.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, my Knicks have a great team.
My Knicks have a great team, myKnicks have a great team right
now and they're getting ready tostart basketball season in two
weeks, in October, in the secondweek.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I love this time of year because sports come back.
All your favorite sports islike your football and your
basketball Everything comes backto them.
I don't think you just watchwho wins baseball.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, I root for the Yankees, though I lose to my
Yankees, and we're doing great.
We're doing great and I'mhoping we go to the World Series
and win it.
It's been since 2009.
Let's go, yankees, let's go,let's go, let's go.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
That's why I haven't changed my bitmoji picture.
Yet from my yankees uniform tothe giant or to the bulls
because you be doing stuff thebills the bills.
When you say no, I don't knowwhat I'm talking about, but I
gotta be switching teams whenone makes her upset.
I'm very emotional I cannot bein your apartment while you're
(41:17):
watching any football orbasketball.
I know your neighbors mustthink you're crazy oh my god.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Thank god I have really nice neighbors.
Thank god because tomorrow is ageorgia bulldog alabama game at
7 30 at night.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
It's going to be is that tonight, tomorrow night,
tomorrow night?
Okay, they're home from work,so there's no problem there.
Abc, abc, there you go, abc.
I don't even know, I look.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
I'll be watching.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I'll be watching something else.
I don't know.
I'll be watching something.
You'll be Learning some morepodcast stuff.
You'll be hearing me.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You'll be hearing me Learning from my bulldogs All
the way to PA From New York.
I do hear you, I do.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I already hear you.
So, aiyada, I'm going to thankyou so, so much for coming and
talking about chronic pain andtalking about the misconceptions
of simple things like attitude.
We attract the positive If wehave a better attitude.
Attitude, we feel good aboutourselves during that day yes,
of course and weight loss isdefinitely a great contributor
(42:25):
to deviating absolutely exactlyyour joints.
So yes and we all know mypodcast is about breast cancer
and it's also about just helpingother people, so yeah, before
we go.
We all know what sherry likes tosay early detection is the best
detection.
(42:45):
Haven't got it done, get itdone.
And if you had it done.
Schedule for next year so untilthen, ladies, please have a
great cup of tea.
Bye.
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