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Lirec (00:01):
Welcome to today's episode of 15 Minutes with Dad,
our new segment, dad'sLighthouse, where we explore the
ups and downs of fatherhood andhow we can navigate these
experiences with resilience andwisdom.
I'm L, your host Today.
We're thrilled to have a veryspecial guest, suhaiba Neal,
owner of the Full CircleBusiness and author of the new
book Like a Girl.
(00:21):
Suhaiba brings a uniqueperspective on empowerment and
resilience, which shebeautifully captures in her
latest work.
She's an author of Like a Girl22 Leadership Lessons for Women
on the Rise, and based on herown experience of growing up
with all brothers and working inan all-male dominated industry
of 25 years, like a Girl is adistillation of the knowledge
(00:42):
and wisdom she gained throughouther journey into leadership.
She shares these 22 lessons inthe hopes of helping other women
on the rise claim their spaceand seat at the table.
Today, she joins us to discussnot only her new book, but also
to dive deep into what it meansto get out there and get back up
and knowing when to walk away.
(01:03):
To get out there and get backup and knowing when to walk away
and you may be wondering whydid I invite Zuhai Benil on this
show for 15 minutes with dad.
I believe and she also believesshe says this that the 21
lessons actually apply to bothmen and female, and there's one
lesson the woman's intuitionthat applies to women.
So I think that theseprinciples are very much
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applicable to the fathers thatare listening and to everyone
that will listen.
You'll get a lot out of thisconversation, so let's get
started and learn more about howthese principles can be applied
in our lives as parents andfathers.
Suhaiba, it's great to have youon the show.
Suhaiba Neill (01:42):
Thank you.
It's great to be here and I'mexcited to dive into the
conversation.
Lirec (01:47):
Nice.
Yeah, I'm excited as well.
And before we jump into ourmain discussion, can you tell us
about a little bit about yourjourney and what inspired you to
write Like a Girl?
Suhaiba Neill (01:57):
Yes, so, as you stated when you read my bio,
I've grown up with all brothersvery sports oriented household
and then worked in threemale-dominated industries over
the length of my career to date,and my daughter was my
inspiration to finish the book.
I was thinking about all thelessons I've learned over the
course of my life and how thingsin earlier years prepared me
(02:19):
for things that happened andwere presented to me in later
years.
So I decided that that wasvaluable information.
It was my gift to her, but Iwas also encouraged to share it
with the rest of the world aswell.
So now it's out and about forany and everyone that's looking
for some maybe just a differentperspective on leadership and
(02:39):
what that means.
For me, it's all aboutauthenticity.
Yeah, and that kind of threadruns through the whole book.
Just one of those things whereI feel like if I could be
helpful which is one of myfavorite things to the next
generation of leaders.
Lirec (02:56):
That was my goal.
Like, this is some verypowerful stuff, so I'm excited
to get into this conversationand these two topics that we're
talking about today get out oftheir way, get out of your own
way and get back up and knowingwhen to walk away.
These topics stood out to meand I wanted to share them with
my listeners, so let's get intoit.
(03:17):
I know so hyper resilience is akey theme in your book as well
as in life.
Can you share a personal storyor a key insight that highlights
the importance of getting backup after a setback, or
particularly in the context ofparenting?
Suhaiba Neill (03:33):
Yeah, and so in the book it's about being little
, like literally being young,and having older brothers one
that's seven years older than me, one that's five years older
than me and it's lots of sportsand lots of street hockey with
the brothers and the rest of thekids on the street and kind of
getting beat up and bangedaround a little bit, and with
that translated to in myleadership roles which came
(03:55):
later in life was you're goingto hit a wall at some point as a
leader, but if it's in yourhouse, it's in your workplace,
whatever it may be.
I feel like I always tell peopleto you are the's in your house,
it's in your workplace,whatever it may be.
I always tell people too, youare the leader in your own life
as well, and so the goal is tonot quit.
So it can be really easy togive yourself something to just
(04:17):
throw in the towel and say oh,you know it's not worth it.
It's not worth it.
But in the end I always teasetoo and I tell my daughter like
when you start things, youreally should finish them and
see them all the way through.
Every once in a while you startsomething and it takes you down
a path where you may come to arealization.
This isn't quite what I thought, wasn't what I expected, and
then you can recalibrate.
(04:37):
But nine times out of 10, whenyou start something, you should
finish it.
Especially as a leader and it'ssomeone that's setting a tone
and an example for others,whether it's in your house or in
your work.
Lirec (04:49):
Yeah, I've talked to my daughter about that very same
concept of, and it's somethingthat I learned a little bit
later in my life about theconsistency.
I think that growing up Ilearned how to survive and I
spent a lot of my timenavigating life as a survivalist
and not really cultivating anyopportunities that came my way.
(05:09):
I can create an opportunity,but to actually build that
consistency in and develop thatopportunity was a little tough,
was tough for me because Ididn't understand that I was
just squandering differentopportunities and when things
didn't work out, I just I wasjust like, all right, it didn't
work out, what's the next thing?
I think sometimes it'sbeneficial, given that the
circumstances, like you said,you have gone all the way
(05:31):
through it and was like, okay,now I need to pivot.
But I think it's all looked atas it all should be looked at as
a learning lesson.
More than this is the endresult at all times, and if my
end result doesn't come out thisway, then it doesn't work.
That's how I've applied thatand that story.
There was a story in your bookthat really stood out to me,
(05:51):
like we said earlier in yourpersonal anecdote, about when
you were just wanting to hangout with your brothers.
All the time you were like ontheir tail and you want to be a
part of everything, everythingthat it was doing.
But they didn't take it easy onyou.
You kept getting out there, youkept getting back up.
I know like throughout thattime you probably got knocked
down, beat down, bruised up andthey didn't like take it soft on
(06:13):
you and be like hey, you wantto get up here or let's stop,
let's take it easy, like no,they.
They probably stomped you intothe ground and had you figure it
out.
Suhaiba Neill (06:22):
And I think the world's not going to take it
easy on you either, and knowingthat and going into that with
that mentality really makes abig difference.
So I think you set the tone foryourself, number one, by being
determined to finish what youstart, and you're also, like I
said, showing and leading byexample, because if you've got
kids, they're watching, they'rewatching all the time, they're
(06:44):
watching more than you realize.
So what you tell them and whatyou show them are two very
different things, and it's easyto throw in the towel and say
forget it, as opposed to findingthat pause moment I call like.
So for me it was like getmyself back together and take a
deep breath and regroup, butit's really crucial.
So there's three things I liketo talk about too.
(07:05):
When you're talking aboutconsistency, the only way to be
successful at anything is tohave the discipline and the
consistency and theaccountability to get from start
to finish.
And if you quit every time, thegoing gets tough, you'll never
build that kind of muscle quoteunquote and you won't be
building in that habit ofresilience which you mentioned.
(07:26):
To stay the course, you need tolearn.
I tease too, like some thingsI've done and I've started and
I've finished and I will neverdo them again.
That first time I'm like youknow what.
I'm seeing this through to theend and now I know that's not
what I was expecting.
It's not my favorite thing todo.
Lirec (07:53):
So we're not going to go down that road again, but I
think, just for your personaldevelopment, it's really good to
stay the course and finish,take the lesson and then move on
.
How can fathers model thisbehavior effectively in their
daily lives?
I think that I like those threeconcepts that apply to this
principle.
I like those three conceptsthat apply to this principle.
Now, when we talk about makingthis model actionable in their
behavior, are there any thingsthat they can do in their daily
lives that would help them buildup this resilience in
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themselves and their children?
Suhaiba Neill (08:17):
Yeah, I think just modeling it as much as
possible.
So if you say you're going todo something, make sure you do
it, do it in a timely fashion.
And I think it's interestingthat, for me at least, the
pandemic changed a lot of things, because I came home to work
from home and my daughter wasdoing school from home for a
(08:37):
while and it was end ofsophomore, beginning of junior
year of high school for her.
Lirec (08:42):
And I'm like.
Suhaiba Neill (08:43):
So now she's seeing me at work in a different
light, depending on what yoursituation is now in terms of
work and where you're workingand what your kids are
witnessing Just really modelingfor them that discipline you
know, and again admitting like,hey, you know what?
Today was a really long day.
I didn't quite get to where Ineeded to be, but I'm gonna rest
(09:05):
and tomorrow I'm gonna get backat it, as opposed to leaving
things unfinished.
If that's the pattern they seeconsistently, then it's really
gonna be hard to ask them to dothings differently if you're not
modeling it for them.
Lirec (09:17):
Yeah, I can definitely attest to that.
I had to.
That's basically been myexperience with most of being a
single dad for a huge chunk ofmy life.
But understanding if I'm askingmy child to become this thing
or take on these behaviors likeaccountability, discipline,
consistency and I had to modelthat exact same behavior.
(09:39):
So it grew me in so manydifferent ways because I felt
like my child needed theseprinciples, but I didn't
actually exercise theseprinciples in that same way,
because she'll be like but youaren't doing this, so why do I
have to do this?
And you actually, they'remodeling what they see.
And so when I think about thisaccountability principle like my
(10:00):
daughter kept me accountable Iwould say something out loud
specifically for her to hear me.
And she for, especially whenshe was seven and eight, oh, she
will not hold back.
Like if she see me likehalf-ass it is, she going to
tell me like dad, like you saidyou was going to do this, but
you didn't do this specificallyto the way that you said you
were going to do it.
And so it made me backtrack,clutch my pearls a little bit
(10:24):
and figure out how to reallynavigate fatherhood differently.
But, yeah, I like thoseprinciples and that's a powerful
way to look at resilience andrecoveries.
Now let's shift our focus whenit's necessary to take a step
back, which is equally important.
How do we know when to walkaway?
Suhaiba Neill (10:45):
Yeah, for me a lot of this came down to
boundaries and just the dynamicin the world of male versus
female and women versus men inthe workplace especially, and
what the expectations are aroundthose traditional quote unquote
roles that we fill um.
But I think, and it'sinteresting, I just met a woman.
(11:07):
She either talked to our groupabout shifting the energy and
talked about how you have thephysical energy you expend every
day.
You have the cognitive, mentalenergy you expend every day, and
then you have emotional energy,which actually we use the most
of on any given day, withoutnecessarily realizing it.
When you're in a space that youknow no longer feels good or
(11:27):
right for you, it becomesexhausting, very, very quickly
and I think, like I said at thebeginning, you're the leader of
your life and if you can't standup for yourself when you're in
a situation that no longerserves you, then you're doing
yourself a disservice and, byyour default, you're also doing
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a disservice to those around you.
It's interesting I was on witha friend today, a gentleman who
we check in every week becausehe's got some goals for this
year, and I've got some goalsand he's my accountability
partner to make sure, we keepworking towards things, and he
was in a job that didn't loveand but he's like I need to
stick it out for the yearbecause I have financial goals I
want to meet.
(12:08):
and then he finally realizedpartly on his own enough over
the course of some conversationsthat we had as well, he didn't
need to stick it out for a year,he had other options, and so he
put in his two weeks notice andhe's looking into other options
and what happens is, when youstay somewhere you're not meant
to be, you delay what is meantfor you and, like I said, that
(12:29):
burnout is real and it's, Ithink, a little bit more
prevalent than ever now becauseof the pace that we're all
running at yeah and it can sounddramatic to walk away, but at
same time, what's the flip sideof the coin Sacrificing yourself
and your mental well-being andthat all dissipates and shows up
(12:50):
at home as well.
Lirec (12:52):
Could you discuss a moment when you realized that
walking away was the best choicefor you?
Suhaiba Neill (12:58):
I think what's interesting and I've done it a
couple of times the one time Idid it where it wasn't really
like absolutely positively Iwasn't in a horrible job, but
because my life had changed, itreally was the best choice for
me and in the process of beingthere, got married and had a
(13:22):
baby and having a newborn and 41home games and working nights
and weekends and having our daysa couple of days a week just
was not conducive to ourwell-being.
So I love the job.
I'm still on the season ticketholder now.
Basketball is my favorite sport.
But as far as my life went went, it just didn't make sense
(13:44):
anymore to make that decisionthat, hey, you know what.
What's best for all of us, it'sfor me to move into something
new and then in other instancesit's just a matter of, like I
said, establishing boundariesand I always tell people because
it's in a family business, it'stricky because you work with,
you know, a parent or a siblingand people that have known you
(14:05):
your whole life, and so that's avery different dynamic, um, but
without those boundaries, it'svery difficult to be your best
self and yeah, having actuallythe friend I was on the phone
with today too, I'm like it'snot personal, it's business,
like they hired you to do this.
This is what they said they weregoing to give you.
They're not holding up theirend of the bargain.
(14:25):
It's not personal Like you.
Have a life to live and just asmuch as they have a right to
their half of this the story,you have your right to your half
of the story as well.
Lirec (14:35):
Yeah, and I can.
I can definitely attest to that.
There was two moments where Imade some really big pivots in
my life.
The one was when I first gotmarried and I left my
relationship.
It was extremely toxic.
It was very, very hurtful,stressed me out.
We didn't spend a lot of timetogether.
(14:56):
There was affairs taking placeand I was just like I'm staying
here trying to hoping to workthings out.
My mental health was so shot.
I just like yo, I got to, I gotto figure out something because
I cannot do this anymore and Ijust I put it in.
I put in a one week's notice toto my ex-wife and I told her
(15:17):
next week, and next week I'mleaving.
I had found a little hole inthe wall.
It was literally nothing.
A friend of mine was moving out.
There was no lease, that wasbasically subletting and paying
somebody $300 to $400 to live ina studio apartment in this
shack in the hood.
I was just like it was no,we've.
(15:39):
We've since talked and workedthrough those situations, like
as far as like forgiving eachother and like moving on from
that and closing that chapter.
But it was at a point where Iwas like I am, I I'm either
going to commit violence or I'mgoing to leave.
I'm going to have to, like,separate my mind and my body
from this space, from thisatmosphere, and I made the
(16:01):
choice to just leave with theone week's notice.
And then, obviously, in workit's happened a lot Like in this
day and age, turnover is sohigh and in most organizations
and it's usually hard to keepemployees if you're not doing a
great job.
There was, there was a I wasworking at a research firm and
they're they're wanting thesehigh capacities.
They want to like hey, I wantto visualize data, I want it to
(16:22):
look like this, I want to dothis.
And I was like hey guys, y'allwant analysts, let me be the
data and let me just, let mejust build up your capacity and
build out your power behind yourTableau experience.
So you should, you can see datain its most beautiful way.
And I started working on it.
And then they was like then, 10days in, they was like is it
done?
Is it done?
Is it?
I'm like yo, it's not done.
I just it takes time, I have toactually get all the data and
(16:45):
then I have to visualize thedata.
So it was just like a lot of.
They wanted what I could give,but they weren't prepared to to
not even just wait, but theyweren't prepared to deliver the
resources that I needed to makesure that I provided what I
needed.
And I realized, like my skillsets are valuable elsewhere.
And so we I had a meeting withthem.
(17:07):
We had my little eight, mylittle 60 day I don't even know
60, 90 day review.
And then we had a conversation.
I was like, look, no hardfeelings, but this is not
working out for me.
And they was like, yeah, weagree Anytime.
They wanted to keep therelationship cordial, but they
was like, yeah, it's just notworking.
We had hopes for other stuff,but yeah, like you said when you
know it's time to go, it's timeto go.
Suhaiba Neill (17:30):
And if you don't stand up for yourself, no one
else is really going to do iteither.
Lirec (17:35):
Yeah.
Suhaiba Neill (17:36):
And I think sometimes we struggle with that
a little bit.
But you're like you said,you're just as valuable and it's
important that we all haveenvironments that are conducive
to our success.
One of the reasons the book iscalled 22 Leadership Lessons for
Women on the Rise is because,for me personally, I feel like,
hopefully, I'm continuing toevolve and next week I'll learn
(17:58):
something new and be a littlebit better at something than I
am this week, and year over yearI'm going to continue to evolve
.
So the goal is to continuegrowth, and I don't think it's
necessarily in the light oftrying to be hurtful, but not
everybody can go with youthrough all of those iterations.
Lirec (18:18):
Yeah, for sure so again divorced as well.
Suhaiba Neill (18:20):
Single mom tried as hard as I could to make it
work and realize that this is nolonger.
When we got together, in thebeginning we were in alignment
and then, as time moved on, Ifeel like I tease that we were
on the same path and then theroad split and I went one way
and he went the other.
I feel like I tease that we wereon the same path and then the
road split and I went one wayand he went the other and there
was just really no way to meetback in the middle somewhere
that worked well for both of us,so it was healthier for us to
(18:42):
not be together, and we're in amuch better place now because of
the fact that we don't have toliterally live in the same house
and make those big decisionstogether, and I continue to grow
and evolve, and I think I'vedone things that I probably
would not have done had I stayedin that relationship, and as
hard as it was.
(19:03):
I tease that, like I'm the onethat didn't believe in divorce
until I found myself in a placewhere there really was no other
option If I wanted to continueto be my true self.
Lirec (19:12):
That's a that's a hard, that's a hard decision to make.
That's a tough place to be,especially after making a
commitment to family, commitmentthrough relationship and loving
this person.
I said it in a short span andit was like sound, easier said
(19:33):
than done.
But in in the moment, a lot offathers, they tend to have these
, they be in, they in thisrelationships and they start to
put all of what they can do in arelationship.
And then the woman they theystill feel like the woman is not
satisfied with all the workthat they're doing, but it's
just they're not listening in away that the woman's
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communicating on what she needs.
And I'm not saying that was yourcase, but a lot of stories in a
lot of these group chats thatI'm in supporting fathers and
the chat that I have on Discord,we talk through these scenarios
on, like their problems withtheir relationship, their
problems with their wife andtheir disagreements on these
different things that come intoplay and they either overcommit
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themselves or they undercommitthemselves and end up walking
away.
And what signs should dads lookfor to recognize when it's time
to walk away?
Suhaiba Neill (20:27):
I think, when you can no longer honor who you are
at the core.
And, like I said, my goal witheverything I do is to be as
authentic as possible, Because Ithink when we're being our true
self and our authentic self andour best self, that should be
the goal for all of us.
That's funny, too, because itmade me think of another chapter
which is also.
(20:48):
Somebody asked me they're likeoh, tell me all the chapters in
your book.
I'm like, yeah, I need to reviewthe list because I can't tick
them off one by one but, there'sone about communication and
relationships, and I thinkthat's the other thing that I've
always done my best to focus onand I've seen more and more as
(21:09):
I've progressed through my rolein leadership in different
phases and stages of my life.
You got to have open two-linecommunication going and be
honest with people andrelationships, at the end of the
day, really matter more.
So, like for me too, leaving ajob or leaving a relationship or
leaving a situation thatdoesn't fit for you can still be
(21:32):
done nine times out of 10,gracefully, actually.
I'll tell you another littlefunny story.
So in family business we usedto rent a bunch of properties,
and one of the things we rentedwere these garages for extra
storage.
And the time came we didn'treally need them anymore and so
I sent this email off to the guy.
I never met him in my life.
I said thank you for all theyears of service.
We no longer need this spaceanymore.
(21:54):
So tell me what the process isto go ahead and not renew the
lease.
And so very polite, cordial,professional about it.
So fast forward, maybe a yearat the most, and it turns out my
daughter and his daughter endedup in preschool together.
Oh, wow, and we're at this mixeron, like back to school mixer
that they had, and chatting upwith this couple and they're
(22:15):
like, oh, what do you do?
I said, oh, johnny will paint afamily business.
My dad owns it.
He's like I got the most politeemail from someone there that
say we no longer need thegarages and thank you, and like
reiterated what I said and Ijokingly raised my hand.
I'm like that was from me andso I could have been rude and
obnoxious about it and thenwould have to deal with either
not admitting to the fact thatit was me or having a kind of a
(22:37):
weird relationship starter forthe dad of what turned out to be
one of my daughter's bestfriend couple of years.
So I think it's always I tease,and as I'm always the first to
say that I'm still a work inprogress as well, but, telling
the truth with love is the goalin everything I talk, about
getting back to neutral, so it'snot about you or me, or I and
(23:01):
me and my pointing fingers, butbeing truthful with yourself and
then evaluating the situation,having those difficult
conversations and keeping thelines of communication open.
Lirec (23:14):
Yeah.
Suhaiba Neill (23:14):
And telling the truth with love.
Like hey, is there a way toresolve this so that everybody
wins, or is there a better pathforward for all of us, so that
we can all thrive?
And I tease now that my and myformer husband were meant to be.
We just weren't meant to be.
Forever is what it came down to.
Lirec (23:34):
I really liked that point that you made, that that it
just expressing the truth withlove, right, like, I think, that
conflict, if people, mostpeople don't have a great
communication skills and whenconflict comes about, the
resolving of that conflict getsthrown off to the side, when
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communication is just terrible.
And what I've seen a lot of isthat men aren't really taught
this beautiful communicationskills overall.
It depends on what generationthey're coming from.
It's all these differentaspects.
But generally speaking you'llfind that men communicate.
Obviously we communicatedifferently than women, but the
(24:19):
communication skill level andemotional intelligence is so low
in most cases that when itcomes to expressing those simple
things, those resolvingconflicts, we don't say it with
love, we say it with how upsetwe are because we've held it in
for so long and it blows up outof our mouth and make things
worse.
(24:39):
But I love that statement thatyou said expressing the truth
with love.
And you can find that middleground in that conflict space.
It may not mean that it'll besolved, it'll mean that you've
communicated it, the otherperson understands, you
communicate it and y'all resolvethe situation as a whole as a
in an amicable way, I like thatI really like touching that.
Suhaiba Neill (25:03):
The tip for all the guys out there if you read
the book, you'll get a differentperspective on leadership,
which I think is always helpful,and, like I said, I like to
explore different genres anddifferent voices and different
perspectives, just for having amore well-rounded approach to
things and being better at maybeseeing something from a
(25:24):
different point of view.
Lirec (25:26):
Yeah, yeah.
So recognizing when to walkaway is definitely crucial for
maintaining our mental healthand wellbeing.
So, as we wrap up, let's pulltogether some concluding
thoughts.
So, haiba, as we concludetoday's episode, could you just
give one piece of actionableadvice for our listeners,
something they could startimplementing today to enhance
their approach to co-parenting?
Suhaiba Neill (25:49):
Oh, co-parenting, I think one is for me, the kids
always come first and they're,depending on what stage and
phase you are in, if you're in arelationship still and
co-parenting together, or you'reseparated and trying to
co-parent from two differenthouseholds.
That was always my firstthought and I had step kids and
(26:10):
then had my daughter as well, sothe kids always came first in
terms of what's best andobviously doing my best and our
best not to have difficultconversations in front of them.
That was possible, I think,being clear, like you said in a
couple of those chapters inthere about communication and
relationships and havingdifficult conversations and
(26:32):
being willing to get authenticand vulnerable about who you are
, where you are, so that you canhave those conversations openly
.
And I call it getting back toneutral, like trying to stay in
a place where it's not aboutjudgment, it's just about.
This is how I feel and this ishow you feel and how do we make
this work together.
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This is how you feel and how dowe make this work together.
And then again, like I said,really modeling for your kids
what it is to be, you know, theleader of your life, to be
authentic in your pursuit andyour purpose.
And also and I've done itmyself, it's funny because she
(27:12):
still has, I think, it hangingup in her closet my daughter.
There was a time when Iactually wrote her a little
apology because we'd had teenageyears are fun.
Lirec (27:22):
I'm in it.
I'm in it right now.
I'm in it right now.
I'm suffering.
Suhaiba Neill (27:26):
Sometimes it is in the heat of the moment, you
say things that you wish youhadn't said and being able, like
I realized, as a, as a parent,like I have to admit to her that
messed up like that was my badand so having them see that
there's also really important,as opposed to like I'm the
parent, so I'm never wrong, it'snot true.
Like I said some, we all havebad days, we all have moments
(27:48):
where we struggle a little bitand, being real about that, I
think, makes it easier for themas well to be real about it.
Lirec (28:09):
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Suhaiba, thank you for joiningus.
You have given us with, left uswith amazing insights.
Suhaiba Neill (28:58):
Well, thank you for having me and letting me
share a different perspectivefor the dads and my journey into
leadership.
Lirec (29:07):
Absolutely.
I love it.
We'll stay in touch.
You take care.
Welcome to today's episode of 15 Minutes with Dad,
our new segment, dad'sLighthouse, where we explore the
ups and downs of fatherhood andhow we can navigate these
experiences with resilience andwisdom.
I'm L, your host Today.
We're thrilled to have a veryspecial guest, suhaiba Neal,
owner of the Full CircleBusiness and author of the new
book Like a Girl.
(00:21):
Suhaiba brings a uniqueperspective on empowerment and
resilience, which shebeautifully captures in her
latest work.
She's an author of Like a Girl22 Leadership Lessons for Women
on the Rise, and based on herown experience of growing up
with all brothers and working inan all-male dominated industry
of 25 years, like a Girl is adistillation of the knowledge
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and wisdom she gained throughouther journey into leadership.
She shares these 22 lessons inthe hopes of helping other women
on the rise claim their spaceand seat at the table.
Today, she joins us to discussnot only her new book, but also
to dive deep into what it meansto get out there and get back up
and knowing when to walk away.
(01:03):
To get out there and get backup and knowing when to walk away
and you may be wondering whydid I invite Zuhai Benil on this
show for 15 minutes with dad.
I believe and she also believesshe says this that the 21
lessons actually apply to bothmen and female, and there's one
lesson the woman's intuitionthat applies to women.
So I think that theseprinciples are very much
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applicable to the fathers thatare listening and to everyone
that will listen.
You'll get a lot out of thisconversation, so let's get
started and learn more about howthese principles can be applied
in our lives as parents andfathers.
Suhaiba, it's great to have youon the show.
Suhaiba Neill (01:42):
Thank you.
It's great to be here and I'mexcited to dive into the
conversation.
Lirec (01:47):
Nice.
Yeah, I'm excited as well.
And before we jump into ourmain discussion, can you tell us
about a little bit about yourjourney and what inspired you to
write Like a Girl?
Suhaiba Neill (01:57):
Yes, so, as you stated when you read my bio,
I've grown up with all brothersvery sports oriented household
and then worked in threemale-dominated industries over
the length of my career to date,and my daughter was my
inspiration to finish the book.
I was thinking about all thelessons I've learned over the
course of my life and how thingsin earlier years prepared me
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for things that happened andwere presented to me in later
years.
So I decided that that wasvaluable information.
It was my gift to her, but Iwas also encouraged to share it
with the rest of the world aswell.
So now it's out and about forany and everyone that's looking
for some maybe just a differentperspective on leadership and
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what that means.
For me, it's all aboutauthenticity.
Yeah, and that kind of threadruns through the whole book.
Just one of those things whereI feel like if I could be
helpful which is one of myfavorite things to the next
generation of leaders.
Lirec (02:56):
That was my goal.
Like, this is some verypowerful stuff, so I'm excited
to get into this conversationand these two topics that we're
talking about today get out oftheir way, get out of your own
way and get back up and knowingwhen to walk away.
These topics stood out to meand I wanted to share them with
my listeners, so let's get intoit.
(03:17):
I know so hyper resilience is akey theme in your book as well
as in life.
Can you share a personal storyor a key insight that highlights
the importance of getting backup after a setback, or
particularly in the context ofparenting?
Suhaiba Neill (03:33):
Yeah, and so in the book it's about being little
, like literally being young,and having older brothers one
that's seven years older than me, one that's five years older
than me and it's lots of sportsand lots of street hockey with
the brothers and the rest of thekids on the street and kind of
getting beat up and bangedaround a little bit, and with
that translated to in myleadership roles which came
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later in life was you're goingto hit a wall at some point as a
leader, but if it's in yourhouse, it's in your workplace,
whatever it may be.
I feel like I always tell peopleto you are the's in your house,
it's in your workplace,whatever it may be.
I always tell people too, youare the leader in your own life
as well, and so the goal is tonot quit.
So it can be really easy togive yourself something to just
(04:17):
throw in the towel and say oh,you know it's not worth it.
It's not worth it.
But in the end I always teasetoo and I tell my daughter like
when you start things, youreally should finish them and
see them all the way through.
Every once in a while you startsomething and it takes you down
a path where you may come to arealization.
This isn't quite what I thought, wasn't what I expected, and
then you can recalibrate.
(04:37):
But nine times out of 10, whenyou start something, you should
finish it.
Especially as a leader and it'ssomeone that's setting a tone
and an example for others,whether it's in your house or in
your work.
Lirec (04:49):
Yeah, I've talked to my daughter about that very same
concept of, and it's somethingthat I learned a little bit
later in my life about theconsistency.
I think that growing up Ilearned how to survive and I
spent a lot of my timenavigating life as a survivalist
and not really cultivating anyopportunities that came my way.
(05:09):
I can create an opportunity,but to actually build that
consistency in and develop thatopportunity was a little tough,
was tough for me because Ididn't understand that I was
just squandering differentopportunities and when things
didn't work out, I just I wasjust like, all right, it didn't
work out, what's the next thing?
I think sometimes it'sbeneficial, given that the
circumstances, like you said,you have gone all the way
(05:31):
through it and was like, okay,now I need to pivot.
But I think it's all looked atas it all should be looked at as
a learning lesson.
More than this is the endresult at all times, and if my
end result doesn't come out thisway, then it doesn't work.
That's how I've applied thatand that story.
There was a story in your bookthat really stood out to me,
(05:51):
like we said earlier in yourpersonal anecdote, about when
you were just wanting to hangout with your brothers.
All the time you were like ontheir tail and you want to be a
part of everything, everythingthat it was doing.
But they didn't take it easy onyou.
You kept getting out there, youkept getting back up.
I know like throughout thattime you probably got knocked
down, beat down, bruised up andthey didn't like take it soft on
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you and be like hey, you wantto get up here or let's stop,
let's take it easy, like no,they.
They probably stomped you intothe ground and had you figure it
out.
Suhaiba Neill (06:22):
And I think the world's not going to take it
easy on you either, and knowingthat and going into that with
that mentality really makes abig difference.
So I think you set the tone foryourself, number one, by being
determined to finish what youstart, and you're also, like I
said, showing and leading byexample, because if you've got
kids, they're watching, they'rewatching all the time, they're
(06:44):
watching more than you realize.
So what you tell them and whatyou show them are two very
different things, and it's easyto throw in the towel and say
forget it, as opposed to findingthat pause moment I call like.
So for me it was like getmyself back together and take a
deep breath and regroup, butit's really crucial.
So there's three things I liketo talk about too.
(07:05):
When you're talking aboutconsistency, the only way to be
successful at anything is tohave the discipline and the
consistency and theaccountability to get from start
to finish.
And if you quit every time, thegoing gets tough, you'll never
build that kind of muscle quoteunquote and you won't be
building in that habit ofresilience which you mentioned.
(07:26):
To stay the course, you need tolearn.
I tease too, like some thingsI've done and I've started and
I've finished and I will neverdo them again.
That first time I'm like youknow what.
I'm seeing this through to theend and now I know that's not
what I was expecting.
It's not my favorite thing todo.
Lirec (07:53):
So we're not going to go down that road again, but I
think, just for your personaldevelopment, it's really good to
stay the course and finish,take the lesson and then move on
.
How can fathers model thisbehavior effectively in their
daily lives?
I think that I like those threeconcepts that apply to this
principle.
I like those three conceptsthat apply to this principle.
Now, when we talk about makingthis model actionable in their
behavior, are there any thingsthat they can do in their daily
lives that would help them buildup this resilience in
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themselves and their children?
Suhaiba Neill (08:17):
Yeah, I think just modeling it as much as
possible.
So if you say you're going todo something, make sure you do
it, do it in a timely fashion.
And I think it's interestingthat, for me at least, the
pandemic changed a lot of things, because I came home to work
from home and my daughter wasdoing school from home for a
(08:37):
while and it was end ofsophomore, beginning of junior
year of high school for her.
Lirec (08:42):
And I'm like.
Suhaiba Neill (08:43):
So now she's seeing me at work in a different
light, depending on what yoursituation is now in terms of
work and where you're workingand what your kids are
witnessing Just really modelingfor them that discipline you
know, and again admitting like,hey, you know what?
Today was a really long day.
I didn't quite get to where Ineeded to be, but I'm gonna rest
(09:05):
and tomorrow I'm gonna get backat it, as opposed to leaving
things unfinished.
If that's the pattern they seeconsistently, then it's really
gonna be hard to ask them to dothings differently if you're not
modeling it for them.
Lirec (09:17):
Yeah, I can definitely attest to that.
I had to.
That's basically been myexperience with most of being a
single dad for a huge chunk ofmy life.
But understanding if I'm askingmy child to become this thing
or take on these behaviors likeaccountability, discipline,
consistency and I had to modelthat exact same behavior.
(09:39):
So it grew me in so manydifferent ways because I felt
like my child needed theseprinciples, but I didn't
actually exercise theseprinciples in that same way,
because she'll be like but youaren't doing this, so why do I
have to do this?
And you actually, they'remodeling what they see.
And so when I think about thisaccountability principle like my
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daughter kept me accountable Iwould say something out loud
specifically for her to hear me.
And she for, especially whenshe was seven and eight, oh, she
will not hold back.
Like if she see me likehalf-ass it is, she going to
tell me like dad, like you saidyou was going to do this, but
you didn't do this specificallyto the way that you said you
were going to do it.
And so it made me backtrack,clutch my pearls a little bit
(10:24):
and figure out how to reallynavigate fatherhood differently.
But, yeah, I like thoseprinciples and that's a powerful
way to look at resilience andrecoveries.
Now let's shift our focus whenit's necessary to take a step
back, which is equally important.
How do we know when to walkaway?
Suhaiba Neill (10:45):
Yeah, for me a lot of this came down to
boundaries and just the dynamicin the world of male versus
female and women versus men inthe workplace especially, and
what the expectations are aroundthose traditional quote unquote
roles that we fill um.
But I think, and it'sinteresting, I just met a woman.
(11:07):
She either talked to our groupabout shifting the energy and
talked about how you have thephysical energy you expend every
day.
You have the cognitive, mentalenergy you expend every day, and
then you have emotional energy,which actually we use the most
of on any given day, withoutnecessarily realizing it.
When you're in a space that youknow no longer feels good or
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right for you, it becomesexhausting, very, very quickly
and I think, like I said at thebeginning, you're the leader of
your life and if you can't standup for yourself when you're in
a situation that no longerserves you, then you're doing
yourself a disservice and, byyour default, you're also doing
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a disservice to those around you.
It's interesting I was on witha friend today, a gentleman who
we check in every week becausehe's got some goals for this
year, and I've got some goalsand he's my accountability
partner to make sure, we keepworking towards things, and he
was in a job that didn't loveand but he's like I need to
stick it out for the yearbecause I have financial goals I
want to meet.
(12:08):
and then he finally realizedpartly on his own enough over
the course of some conversationsthat we had as well, he didn't
need to stick it out for a year,he had other options, and so he
put in his two weeks notice andhe's looking into other options
and what happens is, when youstay somewhere you're not meant
to be, you delay what is meantfor you and, like I said, that
(12:29):
burnout is real and it's, Ithink, a little bit more
prevalent than ever now becauseof the pace that we're all
running at yeah and it can sounddramatic to walk away, but at
same time, what's the flip sideof the coin Sacrificing yourself
and your mental well-being andthat all dissipates and shows up
(12:50):
at home as well.
Lirec (12:52):
Could you discuss a moment when you realized that
walking away was the best choicefor you?
Suhaiba Neill (12:58):
I think what's interesting and I've done it a
couple of times the one time Idid it where it wasn't really
like absolutely positively Iwasn't in a horrible job, but
because my life had changed, itreally was the best choice for
me and in the process of beingthere, got married and had a
(13:22):
baby and having a newborn and 41home games and working nights
and weekends and having our daysa couple of days a week just
was not conducive to ourwell-being.
So I love the job.
I'm still on the season ticketholder now.
Basketball is my favorite sport.
But as far as my life went went, it just didn't make sense
(13:44):
anymore to make that decisionthat, hey, you know what.
What's best for all of us, it'sfor me to move into something
new and then in other instancesit's just a matter of, like I
said, establishing boundariesand I always tell people because
it's in a family business, it'stricky because you work with,
you know, a parent or a siblingand people that have known you
(14:05):
your whole life, and so that's avery different dynamic, um, but
without those boundaries, it'svery difficult to be your best
self and yeah, having actuallythe friend I was on the phone
with today too, I'm like it'snot personal, it's business,
like they hired you to do this.
This is what they said they weregoing to give you.
They're not holding up theirend of the bargain.
(14:25):
It's not personal Like you.
Have a life to live and just asmuch as they have a right to
their half of this the story,you have your right to your half
of the story as well.
Lirec (14:35):
Yeah, and I can.
I can definitely attest to that.
There was two moments where Imade some really big pivots in
my life.
The one was when I first gotmarried and I left my
relationship.
It was extremely toxic.
It was very, very hurtful,stressed me out.
We didn't spend a lot of timetogether.
(14:56):
There was affairs taking placeand I was just like I'm staying
here trying to hoping to workthings out.
My mental health was so shot.
I just like yo, I got to, I gotto figure out something because
I cannot do this anymore and Ijust I put it in.
I put in a one week's notice toto my ex-wife and I told her
(15:17):
next week, and next week I'mleaving.
I had found a little hole inthe wall.
It was literally nothing.
A friend of mine was moving out.
There was no lease, that wasbasically subletting and paying
somebody $300 to $400 to live ina studio apartment in this
shack in the hood.
I was just like it was no,we've.
(15:39):
We've since talked and workedthrough those situations, like
as far as like forgiving eachother and like moving on from
that and closing that chapter.
But it was at a point where Iwas like I am, I I'm either
going to commit violence or I'mgoing to leave.
I'm going to have to, like,separate my mind and my body
from this space, from thisatmosphere, and I made the
(16:01):
choice to just leave with theone week's notice.
And then, obviously, in workit's happened a lot Like in this
day and age, turnover is sohigh and in most organizations
and it's usually hard to keepemployees if you're not doing a
great job.
There was, there was a I wasworking at a research firm and
they're they're wanting thesehigh capacities.
They want to like hey, I wantto visualize data, I want it to
(16:22):
look like this, I want to dothis.
And I was like hey guys, y'allwant analysts, let me be the
data and let me just, let mejust build up your capacity and
build out your power behind yourTableau experience.
So you should, you can see datain its most beautiful way.
And I started working on it.
And then they was like then, 10days in, they was like is it
done?
Is it done?
Is it?
I'm like yo, it's not done.
I just it takes time, I have toactually get all the data and
(16:45):
then I have to visualize thedata.
So it was just like a lot of.
They wanted what I could give,but they weren't prepared to to
not even just wait, but theyweren't prepared to deliver the
resources that I needed to makesure that I provided what I
needed.
And I realized, like my skillsets are valuable elsewhere.
And so we I had a meeting withthem.
(17:07):
We had my little eight, mylittle 60 day I don't even know
60, 90 day review.
And then we had a conversation.
I was like, look, no hardfeelings, but this is not
working out for me.
And they was like, yeah, weagree Anytime.
They wanted to keep therelationship cordial, but they
was like, yeah, it's just notworking.
We had hopes for other stuff,but yeah, like you said when you
know it's time to go, it's timeto go.
Suhaiba Neill (17:30):
And if you don't stand up for yourself, no one
else is really going to do iteither.
Lirec (17:35):
Yeah.
Suhaiba Neill (17:36):
And I think sometimes we struggle with that
a little bit.
But you're like you said,you're just as valuable and it's
important that we all haveenvironments that are conducive
to our success.
One of the reasons the book iscalled 22 Leadership Lessons for
Women on the Rise is because,for me personally, I feel like,
hopefully, I'm continuing toevolve and next week I'll learn
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something new and be a littlebit better at something than I
am this week, and year over yearI'm going to continue to evolve
.
So the goal is to continuegrowth, and I don't think it's
necessarily in the light oftrying to be hurtful, but not
everybody can go with youthrough all of those iterations.
Lirec (18:18):
Yeah, for sure so again divorced as well.
Suhaiba Neill (18:20):
Single mom tried as hard as I could to make it
work and realize that this is nolonger.
When we got together, in thebeginning we were in alignment
and then, as time moved on, Ifeel like I tease that we were
on the same path and then theroad split and I went one way
and he went the other.
I feel like I tease that we wereon the same path and then the
road split and I went one wayand he went the other and there
was just really no way to meetback in the middle somewhere
that worked well for both of us,so it was healthier for us to
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not be together, and we're in amuch better place now because of
the fact that we don't have toliterally live in the same house
and make those big decisionstogether, and I continue to grow
and evolve, and I think I'vedone things that I probably
would not have done had I stayedin that relationship, and as
hard as it was.
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I tease that, like I'm the onethat didn't believe in divorce
until I found myself in a placewhere there really was no other
option If I wanted to continueto be my true self.
Lirec (19:12):
That's a that's a hard, that's a hard decision to make.
That's a tough place to be,especially after making a
commitment to family, commitmentthrough relationship and loving
this person.
I said it in a short span andit was like sound, easier said
(19:33):
than done.
But in in the moment, a lot offathers, they tend to have these
, they be in, they in thisrelationships and they start to
put all of what they can do in arelationship.
And then the woman they theystill feel like the woman is not
satisfied with all the workthat they're doing, but it's
just they're not listening in away that the woman's
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communicating on what she needs.
And I'm not saying that was yourcase, but a lot of stories in a
lot of these group chats thatI'm in supporting fathers and
the chat that I have on Discord,we talk through these scenarios
on, like their problems withtheir relationship, their
problems with their wife andtheir disagreements on these
different things that come intoplay and they either overcommit
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themselves or they undercommitthemselves and end up walking
away.
And what signs should dads lookfor to recognize when it's time
to walk away?
Suhaiba Neill (20:27):
I think, when you can no longer honor who you are
at the core.
And, like I said, my goal witheverything I do is to be as
authentic as possible, Because Ithink when we're being our true
self and our authentic self andour best self, that should be
the goal for all of us.
That's funny, too, because itmade me think of another chapter
which is also.
(20:48):
Somebody asked me they're likeoh, tell me all the chapters in
your book.
I'm like, yeah, I need to reviewthe list because I can't tick
them off one by one but, there'sone about communication and
relationships, and I thinkthat's the other thing that I've
always done my best to focus onand I've seen more and more as
(21:09):
I've progressed through my rolein leadership in different
phases and stages of my life.
You got to have open two-linecommunication going and be
honest with people andrelationships, at the end of the
day, really matter more.
So, like for me too, leaving ajob or leaving a relationship or
leaving a situation thatdoesn't fit for you can still be
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done nine times out of 10,gracefully, actually.
I'll tell you another littlefunny story.
So in family business we usedto rent a bunch of properties,
and one of the things we rentedwere these garages for extra
storage.
And the time came we didn'treally need them anymore and so
I sent this email off to the guy.
I never met him in my life.
I said thank you for all theyears of service.
We no longer need this spaceanymore.
(21:54):
So tell me what the process isto go ahead and not renew the
lease.
And so very polite, cordial,professional about it.
So fast forward, maybe a yearat the most, and it turns out my
daughter and his daughter endedup in preschool together.
Oh, wow, and we're at this mixeron, like back to school mixer
that they had, and chatting upwith this couple and they're
(22:15):
like, oh, what do you do?
I said, oh, johnny will paint afamily business.
My dad owns it.
He's like I got the most politeemail from someone there that
say we no longer need thegarages and thank you, and like
reiterated what I said and Ijokingly raised my hand.
I'm like that was from me andso I could have been rude and
obnoxious about it and thenwould have to deal with either
not admitting to the fact thatit was me or having a kind of a
(22:37):
weird relationship starter forthe dad of what turned out to be
one of my daughter's bestfriend couple of years.
So I think it's always I tease,and as I'm always the first to
say that I'm still a work inprogress as well, but, telling
the truth with love is the goalin everything I talk, about
getting back to neutral, so it'snot about you or me, or I and
(23:01):
me and my pointing fingers, butbeing truthful with yourself and
then evaluating the situation,having those difficult
conversations and keeping thelines of communication open.
Lirec (23:14):
Yeah.
Suhaiba Neill (23:14):
And telling the truth with love.
Like hey, is there a way toresolve this so that everybody
wins, or is there a better pathforward for all of us, so that
we can all thrive?
And I tease now that my and myformer husband were meant to be.
We just weren't meant to be.
Forever is what it came down to.
Lirec (23:34):
I really liked that point that you made, that that it
just expressing the truth withlove, right, like, I think, that
conflict, if people, mostpeople don't have a great
communication skills and whenconflict comes about, the
resolving of that conflict getsthrown off to the side, when
(23:57):
communication is just terrible.
And what I've seen a lot of isthat men aren't really taught
this beautiful communicationskills overall.
It depends on what generationthey're coming from.
It's all these differentaspects.
But generally speaking you'llfind that men communicate.
Obviously we communicatedifferently than women, but the
(24:19):
communication skill level andemotional intelligence is so low
in most cases that when itcomes to expressing those simple
things, those resolvingconflicts, we don't say it with
love, we say it with how upsetwe are because we've held it in
for so long and it blows up outof our mouth and make things
worse.
(24:39):
But I love that statement thatyou said expressing the truth
with love.
And you can find that middleground in that conflict space.
It may not mean that it'll besolved, it'll mean that you've
communicated it, the otherperson understands, you
communicate it and y'all resolvethe situation as a whole as a
in an amicable way, I like thatI really like touching that.
Suhaiba Neill (25:03):
The tip for all the guys out there if you read
the book, you'll get a differentperspective on leadership,
which I think is always helpful,and, like I said, I like to
explore different genres anddifferent voices and different
perspectives, just for having amore well-rounded approach to
things and being better at maybeseeing something from a
(25:24):
different point of view.
Lirec (25:26):
Yeah, yeah.
So recognizing when to walkaway is definitely crucial for
maintaining our mental healthand wellbeing.
So, as we wrap up, let's pulltogether some concluding
thoughts.
So, haiba, as we concludetoday's episode, could you just
give one piece of actionableadvice for our listeners,
something they could startimplementing today to enhance
their approach to co-parenting?
Suhaiba Neill (25:49):
Oh, co-parenting, I think one is for me, the kids
always come first and they're,depending on what stage and
phase you are in, if you're in arelationship still and
co-parenting together, or you'reseparated and trying to
co-parent from two differenthouseholds.
That was always my firstthought and I had step kids and
(26:10):
then had my daughter as well, sothe kids always came first in
terms of what's best andobviously doing my best and our
best not to have difficultconversations in front of them.
That was possible, I think,being clear, like you said in a
couple of those chapters inthere about communication and
relationships and havingdifficult conversations and
(26:32):
being willing to get authenticand vulnerable about who you are
, where you are, so that you canhave those conversations openly
.
And I call it getting back toneutral, like trying to stay in
a place where it's not aboutjudgment, it's just about.
This is how I feel and this ishow you feel and how do we make
this work together.
(26:52):
This is how you feel and how dowe make this work together.
And then again, like I said,really modeling for your kids
what it is to be, you know, theleader of your life, to be
authentic in your pursuit andyour purpose.
And also and I've done itmyself, it's funny because she
(27:12):
still has, I think, it hangingup in her closet my daughter.
There was a time when Iactually wrote her a little
apology because we'd had teenageyears are fun.
Lirec (27:22):
I'm in it.
I'm in it right now.
I'm in it right now.
I'm suffering.
Suhaiba Neill (27:26):
Sometimes it is in the heat of the moment, you
say things that you wish youhadn't said and being able, like
I realized, as a, as a parent,like I have to admit to her that
messed up like that was my badand so having them see that
there's also really important,as opposed to like I'm the
parent, so I'm never wrong, it'snot true.
Like I said some, we all havebad days, we all have moments
(27:48):
where we struggle a little bitand, being real about that, I
think, makes it easier for themas well to be real about it.
Lirec (28:09):
Anyone looking to empower themselves and their daughters
and if you have women in yourlife that are on the rise, make
sure you get this book for moreinsights like what you heard
today.
You can give us some kind ofrating on whatever platform
you're listening on.
Give us a rating and visit ourwebsite at 15minuteswithdadcom.
I will link Zuhayba's book Likea Girl 22 Leadership Lessons
(28:34):
for Women on the Rise.
I will link it in the podcastnotes on that website at
15minuteswithdadcom forward,slash 20.
That's 15minuteswithdadcomforward, slash 20.
And to subscribe for moreepisodes.
So thank you for listening anduntil next time, keep striving
and thriving in your parentingjourney.
Suhaiba, thank you for joiningus.
You have given us with, left uswith amazing insights.
Suhaiba Neill (28:58):
Well, thank you for having me and letting me
share a different perspectivefor the dads and my journey into
leadership.
Lirec (29:07):
Absolutely.
I love it.
We'll stay in touch.
You take care.
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