April 10, 2023 • 33 mins
There's only one team that gets their one shining moment. For everyone else, their season ends just like Indiana's. It's still fun to break down the season that was and think about the things that Indiana and every team faces heading into next year. With 20% of all CBB players in the transfer portal, hope springs eternal and the landscape of college basketball will be radically different in a couple of months.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yeah, let's start, let's start there We can just
jump right in.
I got to get take before hestarted talking about 87 take on
the end of the season, causethe last time we talked they
were in the real dull drums.
where we're like is the seasontorpedoing.
(00:26):
So they turned it around.
They turned it around a littlebit, but just so it's curious,
you know kind of right direction.
Yeah, they, you know they endedup.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Uh, it was, yeah, they, they kind of got on a
little bit of a roll and, uh, imean Davis just got going to
where he was.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's just amazing, though I I said to teams how,
how they just continue to lethim turn right shoulder every
single I mean it's.
but he's quick enough, he'sgood enough with the ball that
that he creates a lot of that.
But then, um, you know, therewas just game weird.
After that Purdue game, theIowa game just stands out and
(01:03):
you go, how could this possiblyhappen?
You had to be, you knew therewas a chance of a letdown, but I
don't know.
That's where I wish Woody wouldhave just sat those guys in the
first five minutes and said Heyyou guys want to play like this,
sit here all night, cause I'mnot going to watch it, and you
know, maybe wake them up alittle bit.
But that Iowa game was that tome was not good.
(01:27):
Um, something, something was up, and then they didn't play very
well against Michigan and gotlucky in one, um, and that's
when I started thinking Oh boy,um, what's going on here?
Uh, cause you just can't.
Those were both at home.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Um, they don't really get to play in the tournament.
They I don't even remember whothey beat the first night.
Um, can't state.
No, I'm talking about the big10 tournament after the Michigan
game.
Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, um Lose the gosh who did play, lose the Penn
State, then That was kind ofthat, didn't bother me though at
all, because I'm like who caresYou?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
go back and look at these conference tournaments.
Do one there's lost, purdueones there's lost.
Um somebody else too, i mean itHouston, they, they didn't,
they didn't win theirs, memphisones, theirs out, um, arizona
out, i mean nobody remembersthem either, right?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
No one's like Oh, how many conference championships
you know, tournamentchampionships do you have?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Anybody that says that that prepares you for the
NC tournament is crazy.
Yeah, how does playing threestraight nights emotional games
you get done on Sunday Now yougot to travel, monday's probably
day off and you probably got totravel on Wednesday You don't
prepare it off for the NCAAtournament.
And if you're a high seed, nowyou're playing somebody and you
go, oh, we should beat theseguys because that's what
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everybody's telling, it's a letdown game.
Yeah, the conferences that havethese.
I just don't think it preparesyou.
I just so I was kind of gladthat I, you lost a Penn State,
because now you're going.
Okay, here we go.
And uh, man, i was reallysurprised at how many people
just in the media oh yeah, Ican't state better, watch out
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better.
I said can't state, they neverseen anybody like Davis.
Yeah, um, and I mean I, youcontrolled that whole game.
So that didn't surprise me.
But then they just again theyshowed up with no motion.
No, there's like okay, we wantto game the NCAA tournament,
we've got a great year.
I don't know It was.
The effort was kind ofdisappointing.
(03:37):
And um, hood Chafino justdidn't play well And they got to
have him playing well becausethey really need three
consistent scores.
They had two when they got onthat run with Davis and Chafino
and then trying to find anotherguy and gosh, chafino just
didn't play very well.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I mean, drill the couple you know three, threes at
the end It makes a stat linelook good.
Everybody can hit those.
All right, those are theeasiest ones in the world.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You know, and then I mean they just didn't play well.
I mean I don't know, Maybe myeight four is better than what I
thought, but the effort it justlike.
There's just a couple of playsthat you shook my head, like the
one player, Trace Jackson Davis, just dribbles right in and
gives up a jump on.
It's like okay, they get theball, or go the other way, I
(04:27):
don't know, That's just tough.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What happened to the bench, cuz I'm?
this can be a good contrast too, because I think that That's a
hard thing to those guys, youknow, keeping them prepared,
especially oftentimes in college.
You've got younger guys thatare coming off the bench and boy
, they really seem to just fallapart.
As the season went on and Ithink there was, you know,
jackson Davis showed a lot moreleadership.
I felt like this year, but Ididn't extend that far into the
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bench.
You know, some of those guysreally just look like they lost
their confidence or maybe theirrole wasn't well enough to find,
i don't know, but they justlooked unprepared when they come
came in.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I, like you know, i always say this the role players
always play better at home.
That's right and that, and thatyou can do that across the
board on any team.
That's why teams play better athome, yeah, but I don't know.
I think sometimes, like atomorrow base, he thinks he
should have some coming in scoreright, where you just got to be
(05:25):
positive influence andcontributor to the game.
Coach died was huge about that.
You don't have to score, youjust got to be a positive.
You know you can rebound,defend, not turn the ball over,
make free throw, whatever.
Just be a positive influence onthe game.
And I think sometimes guys getinto games and they think, oh my
gosh, you got a score, i got ascore, i got a score.
Then they missed a couple shotsAnd then affects them at the
(05:48):
other end where, if they wouldjust come in and make it solid
play.
Yes, you know, but I think someof this too goes back to Aaron.
When you're standing around onoffense and you're running a
high-picking role, what You'restanding there, i mean it's
catch and shoot.
I mean, if you don't make itnow, it's like what are we doing
?
I think the college game hasgone Downhill real quick and
(06:12):
it's a roading.
You don't have enough guys inthe college game that can create
their own shot And noweverybody's playing this
high-picking role, isolation,where we want to be like NBA
guys because all good, hey, werun, we can get you the NBA.
I mean, kenny Smith made acomment at one and a half times
on TBS.
He said there's not Theoffenses that are being run.
(06:35):
The shooting is so bad becauseyou're taking contested shots.
And I hear J billis of theworld saying, oh, we need to go
to 24 second clock and call it.
You're gonna road.
You're gonna road it even more.
Yeah, i mean there's not enoughguys and to me You need more
motion off and screening, likewhat we used to focus it.
I mean it would help trig alway, it would help tomorrow baits.
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It would help Miller cop,miller cop.
It would help a guy like liketo me if trace.
Jackson Davis went on and set aback screen of a guy that could
cut that, that could score.
His defender would have to help.
Now you hit, now he opens upthe door, the ball and his guys
recovered and he's going by him.
Yeah, i mean, i, i just.
But nobody knows how to teachit And the easiest thing for a
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coach to do is say, okay, let'sget a guy can handle the ball
run.
High-picking roll with shootersStand.
I mean, the offenses that arerun are so easy to guard now.
Now there might be some nightswhere teams have hot shooting
nights.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, then you're in trouble, Yeah okay, fine, but
you know what?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I'm gonna take my chances on that.
I Just.
It drives me crazy watchingthese games.
One of the worst games I'veever watched in nca history Was
Iowa State and Pitt the otherday.
It's the worst game.
I mean, nobody can make a shot,yeah, and, and everybody says
all you shooting 44 percent as ateam, 44 percent, that's not
(07:58):
good.
Nobody gets, nobody getsthrough the foul line.
You know, everybody says, ohyeah, the analytics, analytics,
analytics, okay.
Well, let me prove to you whatthe most efficient way to score
in basketball is It's shootingfree throws.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Okay, everybody says you shoot 50 percent from the
field, you're gonna win that.
You're gonna usually win games,right, right.
So that's one out of two.
So if you have two possessions,you're gonna score one out of
two.
That's two points.
That's a point of percent.
That's good, yep.
If you score one out of three,make one out of three, threes,
you're.
You're getting a point perpossession.
(08:35):
So if you get fouled everysingle time down the floor and
shoot 50 percent from the freethrow line, you score one point
of possession.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah and you're definitely to do more than that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You're gonna shoot better 50 percent from the line.
So why wouldn't you try to getfouled more and get to the line?
It just drives me nuts.
The guys jack up threes.
Um, you know, miller cop pulledup from three Better night when
we just taken the lead.
Yeah, i mean, it's not likeit's steve allford shooting it.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, especially off the dribble, like he's
definitely Shooting it.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, I mean you know , I mean half the time.
Why would he take that shotafter passing up a million wide
open?
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean today's game.
And you're in.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
These coaches are so worried about guys transferring
and guys leave in and You got,you got to be worried about it,
right, because certainly youknow, you imagine at least Some
percentage of the roster isgoing to turn over, because well
, yeah, because they don't getto play.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I get that, but um, i don't know.
I just don't know if or you getan offer from.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know what I mean, like the guy from I've heard
rumored, the guy from harvard,you know, maybe come interested
or something that I use it.
Oh, get him to come, you gethim to come in, and then it's
kind of like 50 years.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, 50.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah no guys like that I got no problem with a
transfer thing.
Yeah, but it takes a spot ofsomebody else.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know tomorrow I don't want a guy that that.
I'll just throw this out.
Leo, yeah, okay, he's probablynot going to play in Indiana.
Go, go, go somewhere and play.
I get that, yeah, but a guythat you know thinks he's
getting screwed and doesn't getto play as much, like a tomorrow
baseball league.
(10:25):
Well, you know what?
No, you need to work harderbecause you got ability and now
you're going to be a junior andso now you're going to play more
.
There's just no, i guess, thedays of not playing very much as
a freshman, playing as asophomore, starting your junior
and senior year just done.
There's no progression in aprogram anymore.
I was hoping with NIL that guyswould stick around more, but
(10:49):
now you're probably getting on.
Hey, come to our school, we'llgive you this.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
No, i mean, that's what happened with Miami, with
Nigel Pack.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's a starting point.
Guard, yeah, and I mean howmany?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
different teams has he been on?
Yeah, like I think three Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So you know that's the bad thing about it, but you
know, i just, i just wish thecollege basketball would get
away from.
It's just becoming NBA-ish.
And the officiating is gettingworse and worse and worse.
Yeah, traveling everywhere,every charge block is an
automatic charge, basically.
(11:24):
Yeah, this.
I've never seen more guys getfouled on three point shots.
I know, i mean, it's like Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Why now that weird like landing zone?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
The landing thing.
Yeah, oh man, it's so like howdo you?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
contest a three, then Were you watching the college
tutorials.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Oh yeah, You see the game where he goes from the side
doesn't touch him at all.
Yeah, and then the announcersaid well, he must have called.
he was in his landing.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Landed.
Why are you landing there whenyou're on his side?
I don't know.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I mean it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, i mean I get trying to protect the athletes,
but it does take some of thecompetitiveness.
I mean the replays too.
I know we could go on about thereplays, but, boy, at the end
of the games like I would ratherargue about a bad call and just
like forever, you know forever,than than have to watch the
rafts just ruin the end of thegame by staring at it for half
(12:18):
an hour.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, Why did that Purdue game take eight minutes
to get that?
It was so obvious off of theFDU guy.
Yeah Well, what were we lookingat?
I don't know.
I would tell guys Hey, i'd useall my timeouts, i would try, no
timeouts.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Just put that finger up every time.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
The rule should be if we go to monitor teams are
you're on the floor and you canhave no communication with the
teams Yeah, everybody's got,everybody's got a lineup on the
line so they can't play.
The players can't talk Yougotta be on the other opposite
end.
Let the players figure stuffout, because you can argue every
time the ball goes out ofbounce Oh the clock.
Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
But, yet.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
but yet you can go over there and look and see who
the ball goes off of.
But if a guy absolutely foulsand rakes a guy, Can't, can't,
look at that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, i can't switch that Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So then think about this If I got the basketball and
I'm holding it and you comefrom behind and push it out of
my hand, okay, and I've got theball, it's always going to look
like if you push it, it's alwaysgoing to look like it came off
of my hand.
I mean that that, but I didn'tjust throw it out, right.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, it's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well it's the end.
Of games is just being ruinedby that.
It's crazy, so it's difficult,but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
What do you think overall overall state of the
state of the program thoughright direction?
I'm not sure He talks about it.
Well, i'm worried about nextyear.
Yeah, If, if um like if it's,if he's gone, right, yeah, he's
gone.
I'm a son.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I mean I?
I mean I think they couldreally struggle, especially if,
like Geronimo, i thinkGeronimo's going to transfer.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Probably, um, you know, we might, we might be
better off for him.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
We're going to our place.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I mean I, i mean I don't know, but I guess you can
never say what you're going tohave, because you can go and
transport it yourself and go getthree.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
really, good guys.
Yeah, you could go get it.
get a couple of guys Well.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I mean, obviously there's a, there's a little bit
of momentum, but what I wanteverybody in Indiana to be,
optimistically, i guess,cautious.
We were 12 and eight, yeah, thebig 10.
It wasn't like, i mean, we werenever, we were never in the hut
to win a big 10 championship.
Right, and we played somereally good basketball.
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Obviously be produced twice,but then they lose to Iowa twice
to lose the Northwestern twice.
Who's the Penn State twice?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, their highs were really high.
It's just that the the lowswere also pretty low.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That's what you were never used to in Indiana.
Yeah, never.
Yeah, you would be, you know.
Hey, you're expected to winthose games.
And then you didn't lose theteams that you weren't supposed
to lose to.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
That's dependent on two guys, though you know you
got it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Those two guys had to play it perfect almost every
time, for Yeah, and I I made thecomment I don't know if it was
on with you that like they gottafind it, i said you gotta find
a third.
Yeah, not to find a thirdOption that can be consistent
score, whether that's race,whether that's.
You know, got Galway's just notgonna be one of those guys.
(15:29):
Yeah, he's not gonna be a guyhere.
Sorry, i'm gonna plug in mycomputer.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You're good.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Galway's just not.
He's not gonna be a dependablescore.
But gosh, he can be such agreat influence on the team
because of his energy.
He can get steals, you know,you can score without having to
be in the offense, basicallyjust by getting a loose ball
here or there, and he should bea six to ten point score.
That's that's what he should be.
Doesn't need to be shoot theball all the time.
(15:56):
But raised Thompson need togive him more And he just wasn't
consistent enough.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I don't know if he got healthy ever either.
Yeah, and you know what thatdeal.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's the stuff that you don't know.
Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Not coming back either hurt.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I think that that, that that really hurt.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I wonder if you got, i wonder if he got some
assurances that he would get themedical, he would get the
medical red shirt.
You know, i just wonder if youwould have tried to come back if
he, you know, if he didn't get.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I, i think I I'll bet they said hey, if he doesn't
play the rest of the way andcome back, um, but he's he
definitely.
That definitely hurt not havinghim, just because It's tough
matchup.
He was more of a drive to thebasket where Chafino's more of a
pull-up mid-range game And he'sjust a tough competitive.
(16:46):
Yeah, and you know he gothimself into troubling games
just by being overly aggressiveon ballon and stuff.
But That his attitude.
They just don't have a guy likethat.
You know that to me as biggest,you know not only his play but
just his overall attitude andcompetitiveness, little chip on
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the shoulder.
Yeah, exactly Yeah, and theyjust they don't have anybody
else that has that.
I mean, we got guys weren'theadbands for the first time?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh man, that comment killed me.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's called a salami on there.
If you remember they did,you're too young.
There's a show called the thewhite shadow.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Oh no, i know exactly what that is.
Bill said It's like It was likethe first question to him out
of the out of the break and themedia scrum was you wore your
headband And it was upside downto any Like.
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That's enough, right there.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
There, you know, but I mean obviously making the
tournament win again.
I mean you gotta feel goodabout yourself.
Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
We'll see what happens I?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
mean they?
they have so much of a, so muchon the scoring end is Shafino
leaves with race and trace andShafino Cop.
I mean that's a lot of pointsyou gotta replace Yeah that's a
lot and it's tough, you knowit's just.
It's.
Yeah, you get guys to step up.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
But Well, comfort place to go like Davis, yeah,
yeah, impossible.
He had a heck of a yeah, hefinished.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I believe.
Believe He just uh, just atough man.
I'll be interested to see.
I don't know.
After watching that Miami game,though he wasn't the quickest
jumper on the floor.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I know Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
He got pushed around a little bit and I don't know if
it's because he got a littleless aggressive or he.
when he got his third foul hekind of backed off a little bit,
didn't want to pick up hisfourth.
Um, that guy beat him in theboard a couple of times and
grabbed three or four offensiverebounds from a real aggressive,
yeah Yeah.
Just kind of pushed him out ofthe way So he could have, he
(19:04):
could have been wearing down tohe, he went 39 minutes, yeah,
yeah.
The night.
But you say tournament, thoughgosh, you get you all those
timeouts and every time, everyteam, each time out's an extra
minute and they are longer So,but it'll be.
That's just a lot of scoringthat you got to make up, Yeah.
That's going to be tough, Youknow, and and so now you got a
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guy like that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He's gone after his first year, oh college, he would
have been unbolagical, soathletic Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Um, a lozalong.
I mean he was a senior and youknow, i mean maybe he's only a
junior, but guys stick aroundand and you know, you have the,
you know like, uh, sam Perkinsand Matt, you know, and the door
, these, you know those guys,they were big.
When you get to senior.
You know, yeah, were they askill?
maybe not as some of these 19year old freshmen or whatever,
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but you know what, at 19, giveme, give me a 19 year old and
have them go against the cycleor pack you in a 22, 23.
And I'm taking a 22 year oldevery single time, yeah, yeah,
because they're just moreexperienced.
There's something to have sayabout experience and older guys.
That's why I thought Indiana'steam had a chance this year And
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when Xavier Johnson got hurt,that that that you lose now a
fifth year guy, lose someexperience, lose that toughness.
But I thought Indiana, being anolder team, would, would do
really well.
Um, but they just playedimmature.
Yeah So these things, that thatkind of surprised, and, and I
would say that team in 87, wenever really had an immature
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game, maybe the one it, maybethe one at Vanderbilt.
Um, better than that, i mean,we lose that Purdue, who was 15,
three in the big 10, who was atIllinois and at Iowa.
We're both the top 15.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Um, i mean, it wasn't like you know, we, you know,
lost teams that weren't good.
I mean you're going to lose,but but that that to me, in the
80, 17, those just a mature teamand on and off the court, and
then we, we, we pushed eachother hard, we held each other
accountable.
Nobody was out running aroundgoing to bars and stuff.
(21:24):
Um, i mean that, that, that tome, it sticks out the most about
that team is just theaccountability that we held each
other to a standard of.
This is what coach expects,this is what we're going to do
And when, when you have playersand you got a team that that
hold each other to a certainstandard, actually you can, you
can get on each other and youcan push each other without it
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being in a in a pissy negativeway.
If that makes sense, it does,and it's that's big for team
camaraderie And and I I thinkit's a huge factor in the way we
never lost close games.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
That that you didn't wear a headband in the
tournament, That would have beenallowed.
Yeah, that would not have beenallowed.
What have you had said?
but, coach, i saw it on thewhite shadow.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, I can still do it.
I play like Salami.
And he said you're?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
gonna love that.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You already do play like Salami.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
So go sit down, oh shoot.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I'd tell everybody about that.
And so we were actually.
We were actually.
I always go out to Vegas forthe Friday and Saturday of the
NCAA tournament.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Oh, nice Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Won't tell California .
So we had like 20 guys go thisyear.
That's awesome.
We're sitting around we'rewatching Arizona play.
And I hadn't really watchedArizona play much at all.
They have this guy.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I thought they were going to be good too.
Man, whatever, i pair a stackerYeah.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So well, but he puts Kerr on his back.
Yeah, And there's two of theseI said is that Steve Kerr's kid?
No, no, his name's David Kerr.
I saw that guy's like Salami onthe white shadow.
Oh, my buddy started laughing,cracking up because they knew
that I was talking about Salami.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Oh my God, i got to use that for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Smell this smell, this headband cop comes out.
I said, oh my gosh, you got anice smile.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, that, yeah, you would have worn a headband like
that with Coach.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
It's just just breaking it out in the
tournament too.
Yeah, that's what makes thepicture even better.
And upside down, upside down.
Oh my God, what are you?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
thinking about.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You're thinking more about your headband Now.
He played well, He did.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
He's a great man.
You should have had it on allyear apparently.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, i think he actually was more aggressive
shooting.
But you know, yeah, so that's.
That's the kind of stuff thatyou know, coach.
I remember when Keith came tocampus he had all these gold
changers you know Mr T starterkid or whatever Yeah.
And we said, keith, you'regonna have to lose that What?
Oh yeah, you're gonna have tolose that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He goes why I say nah , coach ain't going for that.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, and he.
but you know what Keith'scredit?
he didn't fight, he didn'tfight anything.
Keith came in and said what doI got to do?
Yeah, what do I got to do to bea part of this and help us, and
what I remember.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's his mentality, right.
He won the win, those guys hadno ego at all.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
When they came in and they coached, knocked the ego
that they had in them out realquick.
So you know, and that wasthat's what helped that team.
I mean, i really did, that'swhat helped that team.
goes, just those guys buying in.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I love it.
Well, hey, after, maybe afterthe transfer portal, i'll have
to check in and see it, sincewe're going.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, let's see what happens with all that.
By the way, I hate the transferportal.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I know, I know, but it's, I mean, you have to
embrace it because it is whatyou know, it is what it is.
I think it's the future.
Honestly, Like I wonder evenabout you know, because we've
been going after these fivestars, but I wonder if you even
like, worry about it, Likeinstead it might be better Yeah,
better to pick off these likefifth year grad transfers.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I really go get four fourth to fifth year guys.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You know they're going to, you know they're going
to be good in collegebasketball because you get
Lander or Bates, they're fivestars.
but then you know they're not.
they're not ready, yeah,they're not ready.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And they'd probably been told how good they are
right there.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
that too Yeah and fine.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Okay, if who's your phenolese, for example?
Yeah okay, yeah, he might be agood pro, but would you rather
have some dude that's a KansasState that's been there now five
years, who's probably one ofthese guys in Miami?
Get back transfer again, i meanlike, like, i can tell you, i
can tell, you've had IU won.
You know what Samson would havehad saster, he would have had
sasser up in who's feels ass Sobad that he would have really
(25:36):
struggled.
Yeah, and it's not saying thatin four or five years which, if
you know it would be a waybetter player Yeah, but, but
he's 18, 19 maybe I think.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I think he's gonna be a good pro.
But I think, i think he's gonnabe like a Romeo pro you know
where he's gonna play, but notbe an all-star.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Right, you know, or 18 years old, compared to some
guy, that that's just physicallymore mature, yeah, and more
experienced, yeah, go give methis dude from Harvard.
Yeah, the the wrist that youhave on these guys that come in
as a fifth year is You got itfor?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
one year?
Yeah, how do you build thatculture with that, with a year?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Eoretically, you can have a team of nothing with
juniors and seniors every year.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, i mean, if I just think maybe there's a way
to, like You know, try to doboth.
Where you get some guys thatare gonna stay, you get a gala
way leal types, and then maybeit makes that I would grad
transfer rather than rather thanthe one in done so that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I just hope it doesn't get to The point with on
the transfer thing, it's hey,we can pay you a hundred grand,
come on, i mean is it alreadythere?
I know, i know it's just.
It just doesn't seem right thatit's just a free agency and
then and then, as a coach, youalways have to, you always have
to recruit your own guys to stay.
You know what?
(26:49):
I think that that's So.
You get to this point everysingle year now, or it gets into
April 1st.
You know who's gonna be on yournow.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I mean, I think there could be five guys that leave
potentially.
Yeah, I could see it Just likeI know there's guys just guys
that aren't real happy.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
But you know, so they leave.
You have a way bigger questionmark than bringing in new guys
than what you have now.
Kansas State They brought thatthat little dude in, noel or
yeah, he's awesome, he playedunbelievable, so, but again he's
a he's a fourth or fifth yearguy.
Giving guys like that I'd lovethat.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I know, that's what that?
Yeah, yeah, i know, i know,yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
No, you know what I thought more cop just coming in
bomb shots and if you want tohit me, i mean, he was almost
like tentative to shoot.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, i don't know.
I think cuz he had a, maybe cuzhe had a bad year last year, he
just never.
He shot better this year butnever quite got the, you know,
got the total confidence all theway back Never seen us up a lot
of shots.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, it was kind of like okay, i shoot this and this
I'm coming out, which was nevergonna be.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I didn't say, i didn't say his name, but he's
who I was thinking of when Isaid never seemed to hit the
threes when it mattered, like ifit's middle.
Middle of the game wide open.
He's knocking that down.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You know, when you got it, you're down couple Yeah
shot to keep us, you know, runand it's in and out but we never
.
We never hit any big.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I know, yeah, it's crazy.
It was crazy.
It was the same thing thatMiami game.
I just that, yeah, that wantthat one.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I think you're right.
I think there's gonna be acouple guys from Indiana.
They're gonna leave.
Yeah, like I would be stunnedif Geronimo doesn't leave.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I just don't mean, i don't know.
and then the other, the bigwhite kid, i don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, he's probably gone to Leo Leo.
Leo seems like he's getting theNL money.
At Indiana He paid for hissister.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
They do when they they do these events with like
who's your hysteria, yeah, andthings.
I think all that money getssplit, it does yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So that, but it's.
I'm saying like he might bedoing better just staying, and
the camera loves him.
I was joking with my wife.
I'm like it seems like everytime there's like a shot of the
bench It's always all leal.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
But it's sometimes you're right at some point,
don't you want to play?
Yeah, probably probably youknow, I mean, i don't know,
maybe, maybe not, i don't know,yeah, yeah, if you had a chance
to win the big 10 and and you'regonna have a chance to win it
all, potentially, man, so hemight.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He might get to play a little bit next year.
I don't know, it's it's hard totell because he played, he's
played so little, but I mean,what's the difference between
him and cop, if you know, likeif he's shorter, right.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Exactly.
I mean, you know, can somebodyknock down some shots, or but
again, we're not a practiceevery day.
Yeah, so it's hard.
You know, maybe he doesn't playwall practice either, so I mean
just you know that's.
That's where it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, sure, like the same or guys with some chances.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But no, be interested .
I'm interested in the season.
I think you know the biggestthing To is to switch your
phenol.
Even does Johnson get usanother year back?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Well, I'll tell you what hood Shafina stays and
Johnson comes back.
That will be in a lot bettershape.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I'll be very, very optimistic then now.
Now we're gonna have atournament team.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You got guard play instantly, yeah, and every
single.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh my gosh, they got good guard play.
Now It's ways during thecollege game to fill in if you
got two guys like that.
Yeah so that that's interesting.
You're right about.
I didn't think about that, butthey, if those guys both come
back, they will be good.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
They'll be good They'll be.
then they got, then they gotrenew still in the in the middle
, and then you pick up a coupletransfers.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Thanks, it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Thanks, it's gonna be good.
He came in you.
He was that guy in that fewminutes in the tournament run
that you're talking about.
Didn't come in trying to Score,made a couple.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Energy.
Yeah, no, I think he's got someability.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So yeah, I mean that I didn't think about that but my
guess is there's no way, ican't, i don't think so.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, I think I saw.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I think I saw me like maybe as high as like 11 on
some draft.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I mean he's in the top 15, top 18.
How do you tell the kid No?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
you can't, i mean you can't he's, he's not ready.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I said, with the idea in the car doesn't matter is to
get that first contract time.
You're 23.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, you can get the second one.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
If you get, if you're in the lottery to get locked
into that Guaranteed money andyou get like the, you know you
get the.
You get the bigger pay bump onthe second, on the second
contract too, because you werein the lottery already.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So yeah, i mean it'd be.
yeah, you know, i meanobviously he's not ready, but I
You're going to get readyquicker, i know.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Romeo.
Romeo is still in the leagueright And he's, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, and you know, but he's.
Shafino is a different playerbecause he's going to have the
ball in his hands.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I don't know.
I thought he was.
I don't know, maybe he wasn'tas athletic as I thought he was.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But he seemed more athletic.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
He doesn't really.
He's a catch and shoot, but hecan get to the hoop.
But when I say, ball him, he'snot a playmaker.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
They're going to have whoosh.
You know be a kind of a pointguard.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, that's the toughest position in the league,
though You know you think aboutwho you're going up against,
then It is especially on thedefensive end.
Yeah, you got to guard in yourhand, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You know.
But the way that they could doit stuff now is they they play a
smaller guy on the wing whenyou're, you know, bigger guard.
Now you just shoot stuff up.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, you guard the three and D guy and you don't
have to move.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Should.
Nobody guards anybody in theNBA.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
That's that.
You're not.
You're not getting this year.
It's out of control.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It's out of control.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It's out of control.
The six guys, six guys.
There's 45 guys in the NBAaverage in 20 points a game.
There are six guys over 30points a game this year.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I think these guys have gotten to the point now
They're making so much money.
There's an unwritten rule.
Hey, look till the playoffs theladies.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I can't say you're wrong, i know.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Nobody challenges anything.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, I know I can't say.
I can't say you're wrong.
They might be right too.
They want to prolong theircareers and you're making that
much money You don't want.
You don't want to hurt someoneelse, You don't want them to
hurt you.
You want to keep getting that,getting those paychecks, right.
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Yeah, let's start, let's start there We can just
jump right in.
I got to get take before hestarted talking about 87 take on
the end of the season, causethe last time we talked they
were in the real dull drums.
where we're like is the seasontorpedoing.
(00:26):
So they turned it around.
They turned it around a littlebit, but just so it's curious,
you know kind of right direction.
Yeah, they, you know they endedup.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Uh, it was, yeah, they, they kind of got on a
little bit of a roll and, uh, imean Davis just got going to
where he was.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's just amazing, though I I said to teams how,
how they just continue to lethim turn right shoulder every
single I mean it's.
but he's quick enough, he'sgood enough with the ball that
that he creates a lot of that.
But then, um, you know, therewas just game weird.
After that Purdue game, theIowa game just stands out and
(01:03):
you go, how could this possiblyhappen?
You had to be, you knew therewas a chance of a letdown, but I
don't know.
That's where I wish Woody wouldhave just sat those guys in the
first five minutes and said Heyyou guys want to play like this,
sit here all night, cause I'mnot going to watch it, and you
know, maybe wake them up alittle bit.
But that Iowa game was that tome was not good.
(01:27):
Um, something, something was up, and then they didn't play very
well against Michigan and gotlucky in one, um, and that's
when I started thinking Oh boy,um, what's going on here?
Uh, cause you just can't.
Those were both at home.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Um, they don't really get to play in the tournament.
They I don't even remember whothey beat the first night.
Um, can't state.
No, I'm talking about the big10 tournament after the Michigan
game.
Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, um Lose the gosh who did play, lose the Penn
State, then That was kind ofthat, didn't bother me though at
all, because I'm like who caresYou?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
go back and look at these conference tournaments.
Do one there's lost, purdueones there's lost.
Um somebody else too, i mean itHouston, they, they didn't,
they didn't win theirs, memphisones, theirs out, um, arizona
out, i mean nobody remembersthem either, right?
Speaker 1 (02:27):
No one's like Oh, how many conference championships
you know, tournamentchampionships do you have?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Anybody that says that that prepares you for the
NC tournament is crazy.
Yeah, how does playing threestraight nights emotional games
you get done on Sunday Now yougot to travel, monday's probably
day off and you probably got totravel on Wednesday You don't
prepare it off for the NCAAtournament.
And if you're a high seed, nowyou're playing somebody and you
go, oh, we should beat theseguys because that's what
(02:53):
everybody's telling, it's a letdown game.
Yeah, the conferences that havethese.
I just don't think it preparesyou.
I just so I was kind of gladthat I, you lost a Penn State,
because now you're going.
Okay, here we go.
And uh, man, i was reallysurprised at how many people
just in the media oh yeah, Ican't state better, watch out
(03:16):
better.
I said can't state, they neverseen anybody like Davis.
Yeah, um, and I mean I, youcontrolled that whole game.
So that didn't surprise me.
But then they just again theyshowed up with no motion.
No, there's like okay, we wantto game the NCAA tournament,
we've got a great year.
I don't know It was.
The effort was kind ofdisappointing.
(03:37):
And um, hood Chafino justdidn't play well And they got to
have him playing well becausethey really need three
consistent scores.
They had two when they got onthat run with Davis and Chafino
and then trying to find anotherguy and gosh, chafino just
didn't play very well.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I mean, drill the couple you know three, threes at
the end It makes a stat linelook good.
Everybody can hit those.
All right, those are theeasiest ones in the world.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
You know, and then I mean they just didn't play well.
I mean I don't know, Maybe myeight four is better than what I
thought, but the effort it justlike.
There's just a couple of playsthat you shook my head, like the
one player, Trace Jackson Davis, just dribbles right in and
gives up a jump on.
It's like okay, they get theball, or go the other way, I
(04:27):
don't know, That's just tough.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
What happened to the bench, cuz I'm?
this can be a good contrast too, because I think that That's a
hard thing to those guys, youknow, keeping them prepared,
especially oftentimes in college.
You've got younger guys thatare coming off the bench and boy
, they really seem to just fallapart.
As the season went on and Ithink there was, you know,
jackson Davis showed a lot moreleadership.
I felt like this year, but Ididn't extend that far into the
(04:51):
bench.
You know, some of those guysreally just look like they lost
their confidence or maybe theirrole wasn't well enough to find,
i don't know, but they justlooked unprepared when they come
came in.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I, like you know, i always say this the role players
always play better at home.
That's right and that, and thatyou can do that across the
board on any team.
That's why teams play better athome, yeah, but I don't know.
I think sometimes, like atomorrow base, he thinks he
should have some coming in scoreright, where you just got to be
(05:25):
positive influence andcontributor to the game.
Coach died was huge about that.
You don't have to score, youjust got to be a positive.
You know you can rebound,defend, not turn the ball over,
make free throw, whatever.
Just be a positive influence onthe game.
And I think sometimes guys getinto games and they think, oh my
gosh, you got a score, i got ascore, i got a score.
Then they missed a couple shotsAnd then affects them at the
(05:48):
other end where, if they wouldjust come in and make it solid
play.
Yes, you know, but I think someof this too goes back to Aaron.
When you're standing around onoffense and you're running a
high-picking role, what You'restanding there, i mean it's
catch and shoot.
I mean, if you don't make itnow, it's like what are we doing
?
I think the college game hasgone Downhill real quick and
(06:12):
it's a roading.
You don't have enough guys inthe college game that can create
their own shot And noweverybody's playing this
high-picking role, isolation,where we want to be like NBA
guys because all good, hey, werun, we can get you the NBA.
I mean, kenny Smith made acomment at one and a half times
on TBS.
He said there's not Theoffenses that are being run.
(06:35):
The shooting is so bad becauseyou're taking contested shots.
And I hear J billis of theworld saying, oh, we need to go
to 24 second clock and call it.
You're gonna road.
You're gonna road it even more.
Yeah, i mean there's not enoughguys and to me You need more
motion off and screening, likewhat we used to focus it.
I mean it would help trig alway, it would help tomorrow baits.
(06:57):
It would help Miller cop,miller cop.
It would help a guy like liketo me if trace.
Jackson Davis went on and set aback screen of a guy that could
cut that, that could score.
His defender would have to help.
Now you hit, now he opens upthe door, the ball and his guys
recovered and he's going by him.
Yeah, i mean, i, i just.
But nobody knows how to teachit And the easiest thing for a
(07:21):
coach to do is say, okay, let'sget a guy can handle the ball
run.
High-picking roll with shootersStand.
I mean, the offenses that arerun are so easy to guard now.
Now there might be some nightswhere teams have hot shooting
nights.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, then you're in trouble, Yeah okay, fine, but
you know what?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I'm gonna take my chances on that.
I Just.
It drives me crazy watchingthese games.
One of the worst games I'veever watched in nca history Was
Iowa State and Pitt the otherday.
It's the worst game.
I mean, nobody can make a shot,yeah, and, and everybody says
all you shooting 44 percent as ateam, 44 percent, that's not
(07:58):
good.
Nobody gets, nobody getsthrough the foul line.
You know, everybody says, ohyeah, the analytics, analytics,
analytics, okay.
Well, let me prove to you whatthe most efficient way to score
in basketball is It's shootingfree throws.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Okay, everybody says you shoot 50 percent from the
field, you're gonna win that.
You're gonna usually win games,right, right.
So that's one out of two.
So if you have two possessions,you're gonna score one out of
two.
That's two points.
That's a point of percent.
That's good, yep.
If you score one out of three,make one out of three, threes,
you're.
You're getting a point perpossession.
(08:35):
So if you get fouled everysingle time down the floor and
shoot 50 percent from the freethrow line, you score one point
of possession.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah and you're definitely to do more than that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
You're gonna shoot better 50 percent from the line.
So why wouldn't you try to getfouled more and get to the line?
It just drives me nuts.
The guys jack up threes.
Um, you know, miller cop pulledup from three Better night when
we just taken the lead.
Yeah, i mean, it's not likeit's steve allford shooting it.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, especially off the dribble, like he's
definitely Shooting it.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, I mean you know , I mean half the time.
Why would he take that shotafter passing up a million wide
open?
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean today's game.
And you're in.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
These coaches are so worried about guys transferring
and guys leave in and You got,you got to be worried about it,
right, because certainly youknow, you imagine at least Some
percentage of the roster isgoing to turn over, because well
, yeah, because they don't getto play.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I get that, but um, i don't know.
I just don't know if or you getan offer from.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know what I mean, like the guy from I've heard
rumored, the guy from harvard,you know, maybe come interested
or something that I use it.
Oh, get him to come, you gethim to come in, and then it's
kind of like 50 years.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, 50.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah no guys like that I got no problem with a
transfer thing.
Yeah, but it takes a spot ofsomebody else.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know tomorrow I don't want a guy that that.
I'll just throw this out.
Leo, yeah, okay, he's probablynot going to play in Indiana.
Go, go, go somewhere and play.
I get that, yeah, but a guythat you know thinks he's
getting screwed and doesn't getto play as much, like a tomorrow
baseball league.
(10:25):
Well, you know what?
No, you need to work harderbecause you got ability and now
you're going to be a junior andso now you're going to play more
.
There's just no, i guess, thedays of not playing very much as
a freshman, playing as asophomore, starting your junior
and senior year just done.
There's no progression in aprogram anymore.
I was hoping with NIL that guyswould stick around more, but
(10:49):
now you're probably getting on.
Hey, come to our school, we'llgive you this.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
No, i mean, that's what happened with Miami, with
Nigel Pack.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's a starting point.
Guard, yeah, and I mean howmany?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
different teams has he been on?
Yeah, like I think three Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So you know that's the bad thing about it, but you
know, i just, i just wish thecollege basketball would get
away from.
It's just becoming NBA-ish.
And the officiating is gettingworse and worse and worse.
Yeah, traveling everywhere,every charge block is an
automatic charge, basically.
(11:24):
Yeah, this.
I've never seen more guys getfouled on three point shots.
I know, i mean, it's like Idon't know.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Why now that weird like landing zone?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
The landing thing.
Yeah, oh man, it's so like howdo you?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
contest a three, then Were you watching the college
tutorials.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Oh yeah, You see the game where he goes from the side
doesn't touch him at all.
Yeah, and then the announcersaid well, he must have called.
he was in his landing.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Landed.
Why are you landing there whenyou're on his side?
I don't know.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I mean it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, i mean I get trying to protect the athletes,
but it does take some of thecompetitiveness.
I mean the replays too.
I know we could go on about thereplays, but, boy, at the end
of the games like I would ratherargue about a bad call and just
like forever, you know forever,than than have to watch the
rafts just ruin the end of thegame by staring at it for half
(12:18):
an hour.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, Why did that Purdue game take eight minutes
to get that?
It was so obvious off of theFDU guy.
Yeah Well, what were we lookingat?
I don't know.
I would tell guys Hey, i'd useall my timeouts, i would try, no
timeouts.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Just put that finger up every time.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
The rule should be if we go to monitor teams are
you're on the floor and you canhave no communication with the
teams Yeah, everybody's got,everybody's got a lineup on the
line so they can't play.
The players can't talk Yougotta be on the other opposite
end.
Let the players figure stuffout, because you can argue every
time the ball goes out ofbounce Oh the clock.
Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
But, yet.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
but yet you can go over there and look and see who
the ball goes off of.
But if a guy absolutely foulsand rakes a guy, Can't, can't,
look at that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, i can't switch that Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
So then think about this If I got the basketball and
I'm holding it and you comefrom behind and push it out of
my hand, okay, and I've got theball, it's always going to look
like if you push it, it's alwaysgoing to look like it came off
of my hand.
I mean that that, but I didn'tjust throw it out, right.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, it's bizarre.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well it's the end.
Of games is just being ruinedby that.
It's crazy, so it's difficult,but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
What do you think overall overall state of the
state of the program thoughright direction?
I'm not sure He talks about it.
Well, i'm worried about nextyear.
Yeah, If, if um like if it's,if he's gone, right, yeah, he's
gone.
I'm a son.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I mean I?
I mean I think they couldreally struggle, especially if,
like Geronimo, i thinkGeronimo's going to transfer.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Probably, um, you know, we might, we might be
better off for him.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
We're going to our place.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I mean I, i mean I don't know, but I guess you can
never say what you're going tohave, because you can go and
transport it yourself and go getthree.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
really, good guys.
Yeah, you could go get it.
get a couple of guys Well.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I mean, obviously there's a, there's a little bit
of momentum, but what I wanteverybody in Indiana to be,
optimistically, i guess,cautious.
We were 12 and eight, yeah, thebig 10.
It wasn't like, i mean, we werenever, we were never in the hut
to win a big 10 championship.
Right, and we played somereally good basketball.
(14:42):
Obviously be produced twice,but then they lose to Iowa twice
to lose the Northwestern twice.
Who's the Penn State twice?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, their highs were really high.
It's just that the the lowswere also pretty low.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That's what you were never used to in Indiana.
Yeah, never.
Yeah, you would be, you know.
Hey, you're expected to winthose games.
And then you didn't lose theteams that you weren't supposed
to lose to.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
That's dependent on two guys, though you know you
got it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Those two guys had to play it perfect almost every
time, for Yeah, and I I made thecomment I don't know if it was
on with you that like they gottafind it, i said you gotta find
a third.
Yeah, not to find a thirdOption that can be consistent
score, whether that's race,whether that's.
You know, got Galway's just notgonna be one of those guys.
(15:29):
Yeah, he's not gonna be a guyhere.
Sorry, i'm gonna plug in mycomputer.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
You're good.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Galway's just not.
He's not gonna be a dependablescore.
But gosh, he can be such agreat influence on the team
because of his energy.
He can get steals, you know,you can score without having to
be in the offense, basicallyjust by getting a loose ball
here or there, and he should bea six to ten point score.
That's that's what he should be.
Doesn't need to be shoot theball all the time.
(15:56):
But raised Thompson need togive him more And he just wasn't
consistent enough.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I don't know if he got healthy ever either.
Yeah, and you know what thatdeal.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
That's the stuff that you don't know.
Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Not coming back either hurt.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I think that that, that that really hurt.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I wonder if you got, i wonder if he got some
assurances that he would get themedical, he would get the
medical red shirt.
You know, i just wonder if youwould have tried to come back if
he, you know, if he didn't get.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I, i think I I'll bet they said hey, if he doesn't
play the rest of the way andcome back, um, but he's he
definitely.
That definitely hurt not havinghim, just because It's tough
matchup.
He was more of a drive to thebasket where Chafino's more of a
pull-up mid-range game And he'sjust a tough competitive.
(16:46):
Yeah, and you know he gothimself into troubling games
just by being overly aggressiveon ballon and stuff.
But That his attitude.
They just don't have a guy likethat.
You know that to me as biggest,you know not only his play but
just his overall attitude andcompetitiveness, little chip on
(17:09):
the shoulder.
Yeah, exactly Yeah, and theyjust they don't have anybody
else that has that.
I mean, we got guys weren'theadbands for the first time?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh man, that comment killed me.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's called a salami on there.
If you remember they did,you're too young.
There's a show called the thewhite shadow.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Oh no, i know exactly what that is.
Bill said It's like It was likethe first question to him out
of the out of the break and themedia scrum was you wore your
headband And it was upside downto any Like.
(17:52):
That's enough, right there.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
There, you know, but I mean obviously making the
tournament win again.
I mean you gotta feel goodabout yourself.
Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
We'll see what happens I?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
mean they?
they have so much of a, so muchon the scoring end is Shafino
leaves with race and trace andShafino Cop.
I mean that's a lot of pointsyou gotta replace Yeah that's a
lot and it's tough, you knowit's just.
It's.
Yeah, you get guys to step up.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
But Well, comfort place to go like Davis, yeah,
yeah, impossible.
He had a heck of a yeah, hefinished.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I believe.
Believe He just uh, just atough man.
I'll be interested to see.
I don't know.
After watching that Miami game,though he wasn't the quickest
jumper on the floor.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I know Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
He got pushed around a little bit and I don't know if
it's because he got a littleless aggressive or he.
when he got his third foul hekind of backed off a little bit,
didn't want to pick up hisfourth.
Um, that guy beat him in theboard a couple of times and
grabbed three or four offensiverebounds from a real aggressive,
yeah Yeah.
Just kind of pushed him out ofthe way So he could have, he
(19:04):
could have been wearing down tohe, he went 39 minutes, yeah,
yeah.
The night.
But you say tournament, thoughgosh, you get you all those
timeouts and every time, everyteam, each time out's an extra
minute and they are longer So,but it'll be.
That's just a lot of scoringthat you got to make up, Yeah.
That's going to be tough, Youknow, and and so now you got a
(19:38):
guy like that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
He's gone after his first year, oh college, he would
have been unbolagical, soathletic Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Um, a lozalong.
I mean he was a senior and youknow, i mean maybe he's only a
junior, but guys stick aroundand and you know, you have the,
you know like, uh, sam Perkinsand Matt, you know, and the door
, these, you know those guys,they were big.
When you get to senior.
You know, yeah, were they askill?
maybe not as some of these 19year old freshmen or whatever,
(20:05):
but you know what, at 19, giveme, give me a 19 year old and
have them go against the cycleor pack you in a 22, 23.
And I'm taking a 22 year oldevery single time, yeah, yeah,
because they're just moreexperienced.
There's something to have sayabout experience and older guys.
That's why I thought Indiana'steam had a chance this year And
(20:27):
when Xavier Johnson got hurt,that that that you lose now a
fifth year guy, lose someexperience, lose that toughness.
But I thought Indiana, being anolder team, would, would do
really well.
Um, but they just playedimmature.
Yeah So these things, that thatkind of surprised, and, and I
would say that team in 87, wenever really had an immature
(20:50):
game, maybe the one it, maybethe one at Vanderbilt.
Um, better than that, i mean,we lose that Purdue, who was 15,
three in the big 10, who was atIllinois and at Iowa.
We're both the top 15.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Um, i mean, it wasn't like you know, we, you know,
lost teams that weren't good.
I mean you're going to lose,but but that that to me, in the
80, 17, those just a mature teamand on and off the court, and
then we, we, we pushed eachother hard, we held each other
accountable.
Nobody was out running aroundgoing to bars and stuff.
(21:24):
Um, i mean that, that, that tome, it sticks out the most about
that team is just theaccountability that we held each
other to a standard of.
This is what coach expects,this is what we're going to do
And when, when you have playersand you got a team that that
hold each other to a certainstandard, actually you can, you
can get on each other and youcan push each other without it
(21:46):
being in a in a pissy negativeway.
If that makes sense, it does,and it's that's big for team
camaraderie And and I I thinkit's a huge factor in the way we
never lost close games.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
That that you didn't wear a headband in the
tournament, That would have beenallowed.
Yeah, that would not have beenallowed.
What have you had said?
but, coach, i saw it on thewhite shadow.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, I can still do it.
I play like Salami.
And he said you're?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
gonna love that.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You already do play like Salami.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
So go sit down, oh shoot.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I'd tell everybody about that.
And so we were actually.
We were actually.
I always go out to Vegas forthe Friday and Saturday of the
NCAA tournament.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Oh, nice Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Won't tell California .
So we had like 20 guys go thisyear.
That's awesome.
We're sitting around we'rewatching Arizona play.
And I hadn't really watchedArizona play much at all.
They have this guy.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I thought they were going to be good too.
Man, whatever, i pair a stackerYeah.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
So well, but he puts Kerr on his back.
Yeah, And there's two of theseI said is that Steve Kerr's kid?
No, no, his name's David Kerr.
I saw that guy's like Salami onthe white shadow.
Oh, my buddy started laughing,cracking up because they knew
that I was talking about Salami.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Oh my God, i got to use that for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Smell this smell, this headband cop comes out.
I said, oh my gosh, you got anice smile.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, that, yeah, you would have worn a headband like
that with Coach.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
It's just just breaking it out in the
tournament too.
Yeah, that's what makes thepicture even better.
And upside down, upside down.
Oh my God, what are you?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
thinking about.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You're thinking more about your headband Now.
He played well, He did.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
He's a great man.
You should have had it on allyear apparently.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, i think he actually was more aggressive
shooting.
But you know, yeah, so that's.
That's the kind of stuff thatyou know, coach.
I remember when Keith came tocampus he had all these gold
changers you know Mr T starterkid or whatever Yeah.
And we said, keith, you'regonna have to lose that What?
Oh yeah, you're gonna have tolose that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He goes why I say nah , coach ain't going for that.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, and he.
but you know what Keith'scredit?
he didn't fight, he didn'tfight anything.
Keith came in and said what doI got to do?
Yeah, what do I got to do to bea part of this and help us, and
what I remember.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's his mentality, right.
He won the win, those guys hadno ego at all.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
When they came in and they coached, knocked the ego
that they had in them out realquick.
So you know, and that wasthat's what helped that team.
I mean, i really did, that'swhat helped that team.
goes, just those guys buying in.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I love it.
Well, hey, after, maybe afterthe transfer portal, i'll have
to check in and see it, sincewe're going.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, let's see what happens with all that.
By the way, I hate the transferportal.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I know, I know, but it's, I mean, you have to
embrace it because it is whatyou know, it is what it is.
I think it's the future.
Honestly, Like I wonder evenabout you know, because we've
been going after these fivestars, but I wonder if you even
like, worry about it, Likeinstead it might be better Yeah,
better to pick off these likefifth year grad transfers.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I really go get four fourth to fifth year guys.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You know they're going to, you know they're going
to be good in collegebasketball because you get
Lander or Bates, they're fivestars.
but then you know they're not.
they're not ready, yeah,they're not ready.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And they'd probably been told how good they are
right there.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
that too Yeah and fine.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Okay, if who's your phenolese, for example?
Yeah okay, yeah, he might be agood pro, but would you rather
have some dude that's a KansasState that's been there now five
years, who's probably one ofthese guys in Miami?
Get back transfer again, i meanlike, like, i can tell you, i
can tell, you've had IU won.
You know what Samson would havehad saster, he would have had
sasser up in who's feels ass Sobad that he would have really
(25:36):
struggled.
Yeah, and it's not saying thatin four or five years which, if
you know it would be a waybetter player Yeah, but, but
he's 18, 19 maybe I think.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I think he's gonna be a good pro.
But I think, i think he's gonnabe like a Romeo pro you know
where he's gonna play, but notbe an all-star.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Right, you know, or 18 years old, compared to some
guy, that that's just physicallymore mature, yeah, and more
experienced, yeah, go give methis dude from Harvard.
Yeah, the the wrist that youhave on these guys that come in
as a fifth year is You got itfor?
Speaker 1 (26:09):
one year?
Yeah, how do you build thatculture with that, with a year?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Eoretically, you can have a team of nothing with
juniors and seniors every year.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Yeah, i mean, if I just think maybe there's a way
to, like You know, try to doboth.
Where you get some guys thatare gonna stay, you get a gala
way leal types, and then maybeit makes that I would grad
transfer rather than rather thanthe one in done so that.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I just hope it doesn't get to The point with on
the transfer thing, it's hey,we can pay you a hundred grand,
come on, i mean is it alreadythere?
I know, i know it's just.
It just doesn't seem right thatit's just a free agency and
then and then, as a coach, youalways have to, you always have
to recruit your own guys to stay.
You know what?
(26:49):
I think that that's So.
You get to this point everysingle year now, or it gets into
April 1st.
You know who's gonna be on yournow.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I mean, I think there could be five guys that leave
potentially.
Yeah, I could see it Just likeI know there's guys just guys
that aren't real happy.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
But you know, so they leave.
You have a way bigger questionmark than bringing in new guys
than what you have now.
Kansas State They brought thatthat little dude in, noel or
yeah, he's awesome, he playedunbelievable, so, but again he's
a he's a fourth or fifth yearguy.
Giving guys like that I'd lovethat.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I know, that's what that?
Yeah, yeah, i know, i know,yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
No, you know what I thought more cop just coming in
bomb shots and if you want tohit me, i mean, he was almost
like tentative to shoot.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
No, i don't know.
I think cuz he had a, maybe cuzhe had a bad year last year, he
just never.
He shot better this year butnever quite got the, you know,
got the total confidence all theway back Never seen us up a lot
of shots.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, it was kind of like okay, i shoot this and this
I'm coming out, which was nevergonna be.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I didn't say, i didn't say his name, but he's
who I was thinking of when Isaid never seemed to hit the
threes when it mattered, like ifit's middle.
Middle of the game wide open.
He's knocking that down.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
You know, when you got it, you're down couple Yeah
shot to keep us, you know, runand it's in and out but we never
.
We never hit any big.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I know, yeah, it's crazy.
It was crazy.
It was the same thing thatMiami game.
I just that, yeah, that wantthat one.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I think you're right.
I think there's gonna be acouple guys from Indiana.
They're gonna leave.
Yeah, like I would be stunnedif Geronimo doesn't leave.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I just don't mean, i don't know.
and then the other, the bigwhite kid, i don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, he's probably gone to Leo Leo.
Leo seems like he's getting theNL money.
At Indiana He paid for hissister.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
They do when they they do these events with like
who's your hysteria, yeah, andthings.
I think all that money getssplit, it does yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
So that, but it's.
I'm saying like he might bedoing better just staying, and
the camera loves him.
I was joking with my wife.
I'm like it seems like everytime there's like a shot of the
bench It's always all leal.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
But it's sometimes you're right at some point,
don't you want to play?
Yeah, probably probably youknow, I mean, i don't know,
maybe, maybe not, i don't know,yeah, yeah, if you had a chance
to win the big 10 and and you'regonna have a chance to win it
all, potentially, man, so hemight.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He might get to play a little bit next year.
I don't know, it's it's hard totell because he played, he's
played so little, but I mean,what's the difference between
him and cop, if you know, likeif he's shorter, right.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Exactly.
I mean, you know, can somebodyknock down some shots, or but
again, we're not a practiceevery day.
Yeah, so it's hard.
You know, maybe he doesn't playwall practice either, so I mean
just you know that's.
That's where it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, sure, like the same or guys with some chances.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But no, be interested .
I'm interested in the season.
I think you know the biggestthing To is to switch your
phenol.
Even does Johnson get usanother year back?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Well, I'll tell you what hood Shafina stays and
Johnson comes back.
That will be in a lot bettershape.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I'll be very, very optimistic then now.
Now we're gonna have atournament team.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
You got guard play instantly, yeah, and every
single.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh my gosh, they got good guard play.
Now It's ways during thecollege game to fill in if you
got two guys like that.
Yeah so that that's interesting.
You're right about.
I didn't think about that, butthey, if those guys both come
back, they will be good.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
They'll be good They'll be.
then they got, then they gotrenew still in the in the middle
, and then you pick up a coupletransfers.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Thanks, it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Thanks, it's gonna be good.
He came in you.
He was that guy in that fewminutes in the tournament run
that you're talking about.
Didn't come in trying to Score,made a couple.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Energy.
Yeah, no, I think he's got someability.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So yeah, I mean that I didn't think about that but my
guess is there's no way, ican't, i don't think so.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, I think I saw.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I think I saw me like maybe as high as like 11 on
some draft.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I mean he's in the top 15, top 18.
How do you tell the kid No?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
you can't, i mean you can't he's, he's not ready.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I said, with the idea in the car doesn't matter is to
get that first contract time.
You're 23.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, you can get the second one.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
If you get, if you're in the lottery to get locked
into that Guaranteed money andyou get like the, you know you
get the.
You get the bigger pay bump onthe second, on the second
contract too, because you werein the lottery already.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So yeah, i mean it'd be.
yeah, you know, i meanobviously he's not ready, but I
You're going to get readyquicker, i know.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Romeo.
Romeo is still in the leagueright And he's, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, and you know, but he's.
Shafino is a different playerbecause he's going to have the
ball in his hands.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I don't know.
I thought he was.
I don't know, maybe he wasn'tas athletic as I thought he was.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But he seemed more athletic.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
He doesn't really.
He's a catch and shoot, but hecan get to the hoop.
But when I say, ball him, he'snot a playmaker.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
They're going to have whoosh.
You know be a kind of a pointguard.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, that's the toughest position in the league,
though You know you think aboutwho you're going up against,
then It is especially on thedefensive end.
Yeah, you got to guard in yourhand, exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You know.
But the way that they could doit stuff now is they they play a
smaller guy on the wing whenyou're, you know, bigger guard.
Now you just shoot stuff up.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, you guard the three and D guy and you don't
have to move.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Should.
Nobody guards anybody in theNBA.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
That's that.
You're not.
You're not getting this year.
It's out of control.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It's out of control.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
It's out of control.
The six guys, six guys.
There's 45 guys in the NBAaverage in 20 points a game.
There are six guys over 30points a game this year.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I think these guys have gotten to the point now
They're making so much money.
There's an unwritten rule.
Hey, look till the playoffs theladies.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I can't say you're wrong, i know.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Nobody challenges anything.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, I know I can't say.
I can't say you're wrong.
They might be right too.
They want to prolong theircareers and you're making that
much money You don't want.
You don't want to hurt someoneelse, You don't want them to
hurt you.
You want to keep getting that,getting those paychecks, right.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!